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Speaker 1: Suller Clark Kellogg, former college basketball player All American and
Speaker 1: playtot Ohio State of course, played in the NBA as
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Speaker 1: State has everything you need in a Cinderella except for
Speaker 1: their seed. There are three seed, but they feel like
Speaker 1: they're Cinderella story beating Michigan State in overtime. This is
Speaker 1: why we watch March Madness, because you think you know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, or you hope what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but it never goes as scripted rolls Arkansas, Gonzaga gets
Speaker 1: by UCLA, Florida Atlantic comes back beats Tennessee. So tonight
Speaker 1: San Diego State against Alabama, San Diego State getting seven
Speaker 1: and a half, Miami getting seven and a half against Houston,
Speaker 1: Princeton getting ten versus Creighton, and Xavier getting four and
Speaker 1: a half against Texas. There'll be a game tonight, maybe two,
Speaker 1: maybe all of them where we go wow, and last
Speaker 1: night you had the wow factor. You had Marquis Noel
Speaker 1: rolls his ankle, plays in the second half as nineteen
Speaker 1: assists at the old time record I think was that
Speaker 1: Mark Wade at un l V. Yes, I think you
Speaker 1: had eighteen eighteen Mark Wade for some reason. Greg Anthony
Speaker 1: might be up there as well for old time assists.
Speaker 1: But it was fun last night Florida Atlantic. I mean,
Speaker 1: that wasn't an exciting game. Florida Atlantic just kind of
Speaker 1: realized Tennessee is good at defense? Can we saw of
Speaker 1: that because they're not very good at offense? And Florida
Speaker 1: Atlantic here where you have another nine seed or lower
Speaker 1: to advance to the Elite eight. Let's see Marquise Noel.
Speaker 1: So far he has sixty four points, forty two assists,
Speaker 1: eleven steals. There have been five players in the last
Speaker 1: thirty years to have at least those numbers in a
Speaker 1: single tournament. TJ. Ford, Andre Miller, Bobby Hurley and Greg
Speaker 1: Anthony of UNLV. Stat of the Day, Sat of the day,
Speaker 1: that past stat of the day, stat of the day,
Speaker 1: here comes that what stat of the day. Some of
Speaker 1: the other news pro Day yesterday Bryce Young, and if
Speaker 1: you wanted to have at least a decision to make,
Speaker 1: I think Carolina has that now. By all accounts, Bryce
Speaker 1: Young put on a great display. It still comes back
Speaker 1: to and I was told by a scot this morning,
Speaker 1: I don't care how tall he is, or isn't I
Speaker 1: care how big he is, And he didn't want to
Speaker 1: get Wade. He refused to get Wade yesterday, which I
Speaker 1: found interesting because I think he's going to be playing
Speaker 1: at maybe a buck ninety to start his career. Now,
Speaker 1: he was at two oh four at the Combine, but
Speaker 1: you can load up to get to two oh four.
Speaker 1: I think that these teams have to realize that Bryce
Speaker 1: Young is going to he's always going to be five
Speaker 1: ten and he's probably going to be, you know, one ninety.
Speaker 1: He's not built the way Russell Wilson is. He's not
Speaker 1: built the way Kyler Murray is. You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: built with football and baseball bodies. Bryce Young is slight,
Speaker 1: but what they love about him is his sense of anticipation.
Speaker 1: He's very bright and now this is from the Scout.
Speaker 1: He releases up high, which is obviously great, but he
Speaker 1: might be a Doug Flutie type because Flutie. Flutie came
Speaker 1: along at the wrong time. He did win the Heisman,
Speaker 1: but Doug Flute in today's college football or NFL landscape
Speaker 1: would be highly thought of. He was just a great
Speaker 1: athlete playing quarterback, but we got caught up in how
Speaker 1: tall he was or wasn't, and Flute never really got
Speaker 1: a great chance to play. Bryce Young is going to
Speaker 1: get a chance and he's going to go in the
Speaker 1: top five. But CJ. Stroud still feels like he's the
Speaker 1: guy because if you're going to check the boxes, CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud and Bryce Young do sort of the same things.
Speaker 1: Maybe Bryce is a better athlete, but CJ. Stroud, as
Speaker 1: the scout said, I watched him, but I also watched
Speaker 1: the game against Georgia, and I'll take more out of
Speaker 1: the What they're trying to do is he had a
Speaker 1: lot of time in the pocket. Okay, when he doesn't
Speaker 1: have time in the pocket, how good is he? And
Speaker 1: the same they're doing that with Bryce Young, because if
Speaker 1: you have a clean pocket and you're in college, you're
Speaker 1: going to complete sixty percent of your passes and you're
Speaker 1: gonna have those wide receivers at those schools, you're gonna
Speaker 1: it'd be difficult to not put up great numbers. What
Speaker 1: they want to see is when there's adversity, what do
Speaker 1: you do? Pocket collapses? Do you stay in there? Do
Speaker 1: you take a hit? Can you run? Can you extend?
Speaker 1: All of these things that they factor in, not only
Speaker 1: with what they see at a pro day, but you know,
Speaker 1: even the scout said, I don't get anything out of
Speaker 1: a pro day. I mean, I do get to see
Speaker 1: him in person, but you know I saw him at
Speaker 1: the combine. You look at Bryce Young, and they're going
Speaker 1: to single out the Texas game because that's where you
Speaker 1: saw somebody drag a team to a victory on the
Speaker 1: road and there was adversity there. That's what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: At least the scout that I spoke to this morning.
Speaker 1: We exchange text messages because I said, Bryce Young, question mark.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, he's what we expect him to be.
Speaker 1: He's he's very accurate, he's smart, and the anticipation is
Speaker 1: really important because that's where you throw somebody open. In college,
Speaker 1: you're open. In the NFL, you throw players open, and
Speaker 1: there's a big, big difference in that stat of the
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Speaker 1: of phone calls in here as we get started. Ryan
Speaker 1: in West Virginia, Hi Ryan, what's on your mind? Ryan,
Speaker 1: West Virginia six two one ninety, Hi? Ryan? Do you
Speaker 1: think that the Big Twelve, in being in the last
Speaker 1: three NCAA Championships winning two of them, has taken the
Speaker 1: crown as being the perennial basketball conference. We see the
Speaker 1: parody in the conference now with Kansas State and Texas
Speaker 1: still alive in the tournament, and of course next year
Speaker 1: they're adding Houston, almost like the Big East of Old.
Speaker 1: It's just stacking teams to be the powerhouse conference. What
Speaker 1: do you think, Well, you are losing Texas and you're
Speaker 1: losing Oklahoma getting Houston. But it feels like you're the
Speaker 1: crown is on loan from the ACC or maybe the SEC.
Speaker 1: North Carolina down a little bit. Duke, I thought was
Speaker 1: going to make a deeper run here, but what you've seen,
Speaker 1: you know, Kansas State, the entire Big Twelve, I mean
Speaker 1: that was really really competitive and that's why you got
Speaker 1: all those teams in the tournament. But Kansas State, I think,
Speaker 1: and I totally underrated them. I would watch him and
Speaker 1: I thought, all right, got a good team there, and
Speaker 1: I like their coach. In fact, this is what their
Speaker 1: coach had to say after the win last night, Jerome
Speaker 1: Tang postgame interview on the court, Coach, you had a
Speaker 1: shirt on yesterday and practice it said crazy faith on it.
Speaker 1: How much crazy faith did you have to have in
Speaker 1: those last twenty seconds? Oh yeah, I mean we got
Speaker 1: a ton of faith in each other. They have faith
Speaker 1: in me. I got faith that every one of these
Speaker 1: guys right here, they probably did more coaching than I did.
Speaker 1: I just thought to love them, man, And when you
Speaker 1: love people, it's amazed at what you could accomplish. I
Speaker 1: saw you two going at it over a couple of
Speaker 1: timeout arguments and play call arguments. That's the kind of
Speaker 1: relationship you have, though. What was it like in those
Speaker 1: final seconds with the timeout battle between coaches? You know,
Speaker 1: when we was out of a place of fire, But
Speaker 1: we practiced in a place of fire all the time,
Speaker 1: so he was ready for it. This is a bad
Speaker 1: boy right here. There's a bad bother. It sounded like
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart and James in Virginia. Hey, brother, a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of Kevin Hard in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it felt like the coach was gonna say whatever he
Speaker 1: wanted to say. This isn't matter what the question was, coach,
Speaker 1: real quick, twenty sex stuff. You're trying to get the
Speaker 1: play to Johnson. These guys, I love the man that
Speaker 1: they've been bought. That dud's a bad man right there now,
Speaker 1: I was asking you about the play. I love them
Speaker 1: a crazy faith when brother and hail to the commander. Hey,
Speaker 1: come on and brother, Hey, Kansas State. They did good?
Speaker 1: Oh James sorry, yeah, uh, he's still white. It's still funny.
Speaker 1: It's great love that enthusiasm and this time of the year.
Speaker 1: And this is a team that had what two starters
Speaker 1: coming back and they were picked for last and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it starts to click. You know. You
Speaker 1: get a get a transfer in who didn't even know
Speaker 1: if he could play anymore, collapsed on the floor. Were
Speaker 1: playing last night. Marquise Noel wonderful. Yeah, Mark doesn't a
Speaker 1: Marquis Nooel's story happened almost every year where you get
Speaker 1: a guy from a certain area, and I'm sure Saint
Speaker 1: John's fans are like, where was nobody, you know, looking
Speaker 1: for this guy? How come you know we passed on
Speaker 1: this guy. It's like, come was like Steph Curry when
Speaker 1: he was at Davidson. I'm sure Roy Williams and coach
Speaker 1: k got asked that question all the day after the tournament.
Speaker 1: They did, and they would answer it by telling you
Speaker 1: who they did recruit instead of Steph Curry, and you'd go, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean that guy was a high school All American
Speaker 1: and you know, probably a five star basketball player. But
Speaker 1: Kante Johnson turned down five million dollars to play at
Speaker 1: k State, and he could have had an insurance policy.
Speaker 1: The NCAA has an insurance policy for players that are
Speaker 1: determined to possibly have a career pass college but they
Speaker 1: won't be able to play any longer. And he collapsed
Speaker 1: on the floor when his junior season at Florida and
Speaker 1: he was the SEC preseason Player of the Year. He
Speaker 1: was going to be a first round pick, widely considered
Speaker 1: to be a first round talent, and then he had
Speaker 1: not played basketball in a while o Kill Academy. But
Speaker 1: then you have Drew Timmy, I mean he did it again.
Speaker 1: It's like you watch and you go, how many points
Speaker 1: he got, like he had half his team's points through
Speaker 1: the first like ten minutes, but he had thirty six
Speaker 1: and thirteen. I don't think he's gonna have thirty six
Speaker 1: and thirteen against Connecticut. But Timmy is one of three
Speaker 1: players since seeding began in nineteen seventy nine to have
Speaker 1: at least thirty five and twelve rebounds against a two
Speaker 1: seed or higher. Shack did it against Indiana, and Larry
Speaker 1: Bird did it versus De Paul started the days start started,
Speaker 1: the day started, The day started. Timmy could come back
Speaker 1: the extra year, but we talked to Seth Davis from CBS.
Speaker 1: He said he's not coming back, but he could, And
Speaker 1: I don't know how we're going to remember him, you know,
Speaker 1: like Christian Laytner to me is one of the top
Speaker 1: five players in college basketball history because look at what
Speaker 1: the end result was. He was a great player for
Speaker 1: a great program and was big in big moments. Drew
Speaker 1: Timmy is putting up these numbers where you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's good, but you know, is he going to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, the ninth guy on the bench for the Timberwolves.
Speaker 1: And we tend to look at that like how successful
Speaker 1: you are in the pros, and that can factor in
Speaker 1: on how good you were in college. So Timmy has
Speaker 1: seven tournament games with at least twenty five points. That
Speaker 1: ties him with Bill Bradley and Oscar Robertson for third
Speaker 1: most all time. Elvin Hayes and Jerry West tied for first.
Speaker 1: So I mean just right there that I would take
Speaker 1: that paragraph if I'm Drew Timmy, and I would frame it.
Speaker 1: I'd blow it up. I'd make a billboard out of
Speaker 1: that thing. Hey, you can't mention my name without mentioning
Speaker 1: Jerry West and Oscar Robertson and Bill Bradley, Elvin Hayes
Speaker 1: and Connecticut. To me, is the team to be based
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far. They're winning by at least
Speaker 1: fifteen points. And the time that happened for a team
Speaker 1: that's seeded four or lower Kansas a number four seedback
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, it's impressive. That's a deep
Speaker 1: team and a big team as well. Yeah, Paul, did
Speaker 1: you see the big man? Armando? Armando Bikot for UNC
Speaker 1: is returning for his fifth year, fifth year as a starter. Basically,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have probably all the ACC records when he's
Speaker 1: done and he'll probably be a nice pro, nice power
Speaker 1: forward whatever. Maybe that was a surprise to these coming back.
Speaker 1: It's like Tyler Hans Rose the all time leading scorer.
Speaker 1: But you have to be good enough to do that,
Speaker 1: but not great enough that you're going to leave after
Speaker 1: one or two or three years. Yes, yes, you might
Speaker 1: not be able to have the NBA skill set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that what you're trying to say, something like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But because there were certain guys from Arkansas yesterday, they
Speaker 1: had set, they had some skills, but you kind just
Speaker 1: had a deeper team with like grown men. Yes, you
Speaker 1: had a bunch of like really good eighteen to nineteen
Speaker 1: year olds, but you kind's been together for three years.
Speaker 1: By the way, my gambling podcast we recorded that yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I say is none? Honest? None? But I don't think
Speaker 1: they counted beer. I kind of like that logic. So
Speaker 1: that's bad Larry. He didn't realize that when you go
Speaker 1: to the doctor and he asked you, how many drinks
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Speaker 1: slides out bottom Ryank Corner. Clark Kellogg joining us the
Speaker 1: CBS College Basketball on us Now. He was great high
Speaker 1: school player, great college player, very good players up. How
Speaker 1: long do you play in the NBA? Eight years? I
Speaker 1: think seven years, seven years, came in averaging twenty for
Speaker 1: the pace. Okay, all right, let's go around the room.
Speaker 1: The best player that Clark Kellogg faced in college. That
Speaker 1: might be hard because you have to remember who he
Speaker 1: was facing in the Big Ten. How about his entire career?
Speaker 1: The best player he ever faced Todd, I'll start with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Larry Bird, Okay, Seaton, Yeah, Larry Bird's
Speaker 1: a good one. That's where I was going, all right,
Speaker 1: Marvin Magic Ooh, Okay, Paulie, I'm gonna throw up because
Speaker 1: he was such a great defensive player. When Clark was
Speaker 1: in the pros, I'm gonna go, hakimlaj One, I'm gonna go,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Larry Bird. Here, let's bring in Clark Kellogg,
Speaker 1: the former Ohio Stake Buckeye, and he had a pacer.
Speaker 1: The best player you played against was there are a
Speaker 1: ton of them in the early eighties. I got drafted
Speaker 1: and eighty two played only five years. Guys, really three
Speaker 1: when you think a number of games because of my
Speaker 1: left knee giving up on me as far as playing basketball.
Speaker 1: But Bird clearly is on the list. But the hardest
Speaker 1: guy for me to defend was Bernard King. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he was an unbelievable score, had all the shots
Speaker 1: you needed to score from twenty feet an end. And
Speaker 1: it seemed like the Knicks at that time Hubby Brown
Speaker 1: was coaching him. It seemed like they ran sixty five
Speaker 1: percent of their plays for him. I remember asking him
Speaker 1: because I think it was around six to five. Clark
Speaker 1: said it was just six. Yeah, I'll give him six six, Okay,
Speaker 1: can't took six to have long arms. Also played a
Speaker 1: little taller than what he was, but man, he was
Speaker 1: relentless in attacking you and attacking the basket. And I
Speaker 1: and he, I think he averaged thirty three and a
Speaker 1: half one year. And what I said, how do you
Speaker 1: get your shot off against bigger guys, taller guys? He
Speaker 1: said he started to shoot as he's turning around. Yes,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't turn around to shoot. He went
Speaker 1: up and turned and it was rare if you got
Speaker 1: a piece of his shot there. Underrated quick release, yeah,
Speaker 1: very underrated. Tremendous score, great tenacity and ferocity when it
Speaker 1: came to playing the game and scoring the basketball. So
Speaker 1: he was a difficult guy for me to deal with personally.
Speaker 1: Marcus Johnson was in his hey day two at that time,
Speaker 1: and it was problematic, But hopefully I made it tough
Speaker 1: for the guys who had to deal with me for
Speaker 1: that for that short time that I was in the league. Well,
Speaker 1: you were too nice. I'm sure Larry Bird didn't trash
Speaker 1: talk you because you're a nice guy. He was nondiscriminate,
Speaker 1: nondiscriminatory in regards in regards to who got Wait, what
Speaker 1: would he say to you? You're one of the nicest
Speaker 1: guys on the planet. What could well? I didn't get
Speaker 1: the brunt of it. As I've heard over the years.
Speaker 1: You know, get your hands off of me. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a long night, you know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't guard me, you know. And he would do
Speaker 1: it like a ventriloquisty because you couldn't see his mouth move.
Speaker 1: Was that because of the mustache? That may have been
Speaker 1: part of it. That may have been part of it.
Speaker 1: But man, I will tell you this. I mean, we
Speaker 1: had a game. We were you know, we were struggling
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, hadn't quite gotten it was right
Speaker 1: before Reggie got there in eighty seven, and then Smith's
Speaker 1: and eighty eight and Davis Boys. I was part of
Speaker 1: those teams as a broadcast but never got to play
Speaker 1: with Reggie. But I retired in eighty seven. But there
Speaker 1: was a time when we actually found a way to
Speaker 1: beat the Celtic. Didn't happen. I think we beat him
Speaker 1: once I hit the last second shot we played them
Speaker 1: tough in the game they had in the cork of
Speaker 1: the schedule. Sometimes you would played the same team back
Speaker 1: to back one time at your place, and then you'd
Speaker 1: go there and with I don't know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if Bird had played well, if he was frustrating,
Speaker 1: or anytime he came back to Indiana you sensed he
Speaker 1: was a little more focused. Um. But anyway, we had
Speaker 1: played them well to night before the game before, and
Speaker 1: then like within a few days, we had to go
Speaker 1: to the garden and he proceeded to drop um fifty
Speaker 1: three on me and whoever else was gardening him that night.
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget that. It was a there was
Speaker 1: a different level of focus from one of the greatest
Speaker 1: players of all time. Do you think we'll get somebody
Speaker 1: scoring ninety points in a game in the NBA? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say Heck, I didn't think we were going
Speaker 1: to see a sixteam be to one in the tournament
Speaker 1: in my broadcasting career, and it's happened twice since. And
Speaker 1: so I'm slowly but really getting to the point where
Speaker 1: I won't say never. Yeah, I mean the way the
Speaker 1: game is played now, Dan, I think it can happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, shoot, that's going one hundred and sixty, one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy more regularly than in past year. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we'll probably see somebody approach ninety three digits.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, but but ninety seems feasible
Speaker 1: at some point in the not too distant future. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if the blueprint for success in college basketball is
Speaker 1: maybe shying away a little bit more from the one
Speaker 1: and done. I think you're saying that shift. I do
Speaker 1: because of the transfer portal on the additional COVID year
Speaker 1: that was added I think expires next year, Dan, but
Speaker 1: it has created older teams, more older players, and some
Speaker 1: of the players that perhaps started at the non power
Speaker 1: conference level by virtue of an additional year or two,
Speaker 1: have become really good college players at twenty three or
Speaker 1: twenty four years old. And that has added to some
Speaker 1: of the parody we see. And I think you're right
Speaker 1: because there are other avenues for guys who really aren't
Speaker 1: interested in going to college and want to get their
Speaker 1: pro career started, you know, with the G League and
Speaker 1: the Ignite team. So there are other pathways if you're
Speaker 1: not interested in taking the college I do think you're
Speaker 1: going to see a little more of that shifting away
Speaker 1: from one and does I think for one, there some
Speaker 1: many of them will elect to just go straight to
Speaker 1: pursuing a pro career like you would in Europe. I
Speaker 1: mean those young you know Dantage and other guys, they've
Speaker 1: been pros well before they got to the United States.
Speaker 1: I mean at fifteen sixteen years old, they're identified and
Speaker 1: tapped and tapped by clubs and then they begin their
Speaker 1: pro journey. And so I think you'll see a little
Speaker 1: more of that, and as a result, you will see
Speaker 1: some of what we've seen over the last decade and
Speaker 1: a happening. It's kind of been amplified, I think the
Speaker 1: last two years. Part of it as COVID. Part of
Speaker 1: it is obviously the transfer portal. Talking to Clark Kellogg,
Speaker 1: CBS Sports College basketball analyst, what surprised you last night?
Speaker 1: The brilliance of Marquise Noel was just something to behold.
Speaker 1: I mean, to set a tournament record with assist in
Speaker 1: a game that Michigan State played well enough to win
Speaker 1: on most nights. I mean, the turnovers were a problem,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't corral Noel and his brilliance shine through
Speaker 1: when it needed to most. That was special. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily know if it was surprising because he had been
Speaker 1: He's been playing that way all season for the most part.
Speaker 1: He's been carrying that team. He's the undisputed leader. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what the play Gonzaga called down one. That
Speaker 1: was a designated play Dan, that was not this kid
Speaker 1: decided to shoot that three play that's the Villanova trailer play. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the Villanova The trailer looked exactly like it, and
Speaker 1: that kid stepped into it. Wasn't thinking about anything else,
Speaker 1: was stroking that three and that Me and Charles and
Speaker 1: Kenny were watching. I said, they called that play, you know,
Speaker 1: as it's unfolded and he let it fly, We're like
Speaker 1: what and it just that was that was mildly surprising
Speaker 1: to see that play call not to attack the room.
Speaker 1: You're down. Wore you down there too, they know you're
Speaker 1: were you down one or two? There? You're down? I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I've lost my mind now. I can't remember
Speaker 1: it was one or two they were It was one.
Speaker 1: It was one. They were only down one there they
Speaker 1: went up to when he made it, So they're down
Speaker 1: one after Amari Bailey had hit that three. But to
Speaker 1: call that play that was that was pretty pretty surprising
Speaker 1: and gutsy and great theater, great theater. But UCLA did
Speaker 1: defend it. They were ready for it. He hit the
Speaker 1: I mean they jumped out on it. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: was waved. He was like right at the he was
Speaker 1: almost at half court. I mean he was between the
Speaker 1: top of the three point line and the half court logo.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to You're right, I think they did
Speaker 1: reasonably well defending it. But man, he stepped into that
Speaker 1: thing with great confidence in what a shot, what a game,
Speaker 1: what a finish? What do you expect tonight? What would
Speaker 1: be surprising to you tonight? Wow, that's a really good question.
Speaker 1: I don't know what would qualify as surprising. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to enjoy the ride because we know, and we've
Speaker 1: already seen it this year, and we've seen it in
Speaker 1: the past tournaments that they're coming. It's hard to predict
Speaker 1: where they where they're going to come from and in
Speaker 1: what fashion the surprising. But like Princeton is a ten
Speaker 1: point underdog against Creighton, but that shocks you, No, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me because they are one of the best
Speaker 1: rebounding teams in the country. They've got multiple playmakers and
Speaker 1: shooters and they're playing well. You know, you don't luck
Speaker 1: your way to the Sweet sixteen. You need some good
Speaker 1: fortune on occasion to win multiple games in the tournament.
Speaker 1: But the teams that get here are all capable of
Speaker 1: winning and advancing, so that wouldn't surprise me. I love
Speaker 1: Craton though. I love the way they've recaptured how they
Speaker 1: played early in the season. You know, the first six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight games they were rolling. They were really rolling, fun
Speaker 1: to watch, extremely versatile and balanced offensively, play at a
Speaker 1: good pace. Defensively, they've gotten better, um, particularly with Kak
Speaker 1: Brenner in the middle anchoring the paint form. They're not
Speaker 1: very deep, basically play six and a half guys. But
Speaker 1: I really love I really thought Crateful was a dark
Speaker 1: horse team to get to Houston as a sixth seed.
Speaker 1: And they wait, wait you they have six and a
Speaker 1: half players. They don't they have a player who's a
Speaker 1: half a player. Yeah, no, no, no, that's just that's
Speaker 1: just a figure of speech. Okay. I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: because Kansas State has one of those, and it's Marquis
Speaker 1: Noel he's at five eight. You know, there are certain
Speaker 1: guys that defy logic on the basketball floor. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: there there be times you go playing you go, how
Speaker 1: is that guy doing what he's doing? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt. When I first saw I came out of
Speaker 1: high school and seventy nine one of the really outstanding,
Speaker 1: perhaps the best high school class ever, with Worthy and
Speaker 1: Dominique Wilkins and Isaiah Thomas, Sam Bowie and Ralph Sampson
Speaker 1: and Sydney Lowell and Thurl Bailey and Dale Lellis and Dirkman.
Speaker 1: When I first saw Isaiah Thomas in an All Star
Speaker 1: game I played in, I was like, how is this
Speaker 1: little dude doing what he's doing? Paul Hanley shot making, passing.
Speaker 1: I was like, my goodness. Then when I saw Ralph
Speaker 1: it was seventy three man pulling up, pulling up off
Speaker 1: the dribble after he draped the rebound and took it
Speaker 1: the left and then pulling up from twenty I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is this? You know? So, yeah, there
Speaker 1: are guys when you see them, you're like, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 1: of just has continued to ball KD Steph. You know,
Speaker 1: you can nack Lebron combining just unbelievable basketball skill and
Speaker 1: savvy with an unbelievable athleticism and physicality. I mean, so, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys when you see him,
Speaker 1: you're like, whoa man this? But I wonder if Isaiah
Speaker 1: Thomas underrated because it seems like a lot of players
Speaker 1: don't like him, and he played for the Pistons and
Speaker 1: they didn't like the bad boys. Yeah yeah, I mean again,
Speaker 1: you can't disconnect some personal feelings towards a guy in
Speaker 1: terms of how he'll be discussed. But the credentials are obvious.
Speaker 1: And I tell you in conversations barber shop talk, talk
Speaker 1: radio talk, when you start talking about dynamic, great smaller guys,
Speaker 1: he's in the head of the class. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: on the short list of the role call. I mean
Speaker 1: there's no way to deny that. Why are you gonna
Speaker 1: put you put him on a short list? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? And you can't put him on a players
Speaker 1: But that's part of it. I mean you get just
Speaker 1: think for sixty one, ye six two with sixty one,
Speaker 1: but fantastic man, marvelous, marvelous player. And because I'm a
Speaker 1: little biased, because he's part of my era and my
Speaker 1: my high school class, and U and I got to
Speaker 1: see him up close in college and then a little
Speaker 1: bit in the pros, and then he had crossed passed
Speaker 1: and some high school All star games. So yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's clearly one of the one of the great players
Speaker 1: of all time. And I just think sometimes he gets
Speaker 1: a little bit short riff because of how some people
Speaker 1: felt about him and those Detroit teams. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's he's reconciled though that with um a couple of
Speaker 1: championship brings and all the fame. I'm sure he's he's
Speaker 1: fine with that. He's got a great place in the
Speaker 1: game's history, that's for sure. How do you explain the joker? Oh,
Speaker 1: my goodness, I can't, other than he's marvelous to watch man.
Speaker 1: You know. I just read an article now too long
Speaker 1: ago where they talked about somebody, I think George Raveling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Coach Ravelen sent me an article about how players from
Speaker 1: that part of the world have really made an impact
Speaker 1: on the game. There have been a number of great
Speaker 1: players come from there, and how they all are trained,
Speaker 1: no matter how big they become, they're trained in basketball skills.
Speaker 1: All skills, shot making, footwork, handling, the ball, passing, and
Speaker 1: that's the way they're taught the game from when they
Speaker 1: start playing. If they end up being six ten or
Speaker 1: seven feet or six nine, they play a style that's
Speaker 1: beautiful to watch because it's so fundamentally sound and man,
Speaker 1: he's oh my goodness, he's a joy to watch it.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a ballerina with a body of an
Speaker 1: old school center and man, it's yeah, he's he's he's amazing.
Speaker 1: So is Joe eld and Bid. Yeah that matter. Well,
Speaker 1: if you look at the best players in the game,
Speaker 1: they're not from the United States. M hmmm, great point, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Yannis Luca Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but do you go back,
Speaker 1: you know, you had you had Dirk, but you had Manu.
Speaker 1: I remember Sharonis Marshall Onis was, Yeah, Marshall was one
Speaker 1: of the first Stakovich. Yeah, I'm thinking of the other
Speaker 1: guys to draw. Yeah, the great Drowsing before his tragic
Speaker 1: early death. M yeah. Yeah, there were a number of
Speaker 1: guys that, but now it seems like there's more of
Speaker 1: a little proliferation of them. But some of that is
Speaker 1: just more kids can see them and emulate them. And
Speaker 1: aspire to that and and make their mark too going forward.
Speaker 1: What's it like spending the day or night with Berkeley? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: it's such a treat. Man. He's just such a genuinely
Speaker 1: good guy for and foremost. And he's naturally funny. I
Speaker 1: mean he's not putting. I mean he's naturally funny. He's
Speaker 1: quick with it, very very sharp, knows the game those people,
Speaker 1: A successful business guy. I mean, he's that's he's he's
Speaker 1: a joy to be around. He's a joy to be around.
Speaker 1: There's a mutual respect we have he and I and
Speaker 1: Kenny and Greg and Ernie and Seth, the whole crew. Man,
Speaker 1: we have a great respect. But he's he's unique. Man.
Speaker 1: There's just not many guys like him in terms of
Speaker 1: genuine humility, graciousness as a superstar celebrity, and great humor,
Speaker 1: naturally funny, and he's easy and fun to be around.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a gift. That's a gift. Great talking
Speaker 1: to you again, always DP Always look forward to it, man,
Speaker 1: whenever we get a chance to chop it up. Keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. Man, I remember you trying to
Speaker 1: dump when we went and did a game when we
Speaker 1: were working at ESPN. I thank you. I think you
Speaker 1: got it over the rim. I think you. Actually it
Speaker 1: was kind of a it was kind of a dirty
Speaker 1: snow dunk. It wasn't like clean white snow, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was still legit. It counts for white guys. Though,
Speaker 1: Oh you're qualifying it. Yeah I was. You know, we
Speaker 1: call that a rub dunk. Oh, thank you, thank I
Speaker 1: was looking for terminology that's better than yeah, a little
Speaker 1: rub dunk. Because I remember we were shooting around. We
Speaker 1: were at U Mass Yes, yes, yea and Midnight Matter.
Speaker 1: That had to be like late eighties, right, Rob Well
Speaker 1: Calipari was there, Yeah, yeah, that he was. That was
Speaker 1: his first year there. I think it was like eight.
Speaker 1: I think it was like eighty nine or yeah, eighty eight,
Speaker 1: eighty nine or ninety right, And he heard that I
Speaker 1: was dunking. He came out of the locker room and
Speaker 1: he wanted up. He was like, I hear, I hear
Speaker 1: You're you're trying to dunk here. I said, I'm not trying.
Speaker 1: I'm dunking. Coach Cow. They might have had camby that year. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't think he had gotten there. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: there at ninety six, so I don't think he had
Speaker 1: gotten there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: well after us. Yeah, okay, I think that might have
Speaker 1: been cows first year there. Yeah, so I might have
Speaker 1: been one of the better players on the floor back then,
Speaker 1: you could have been. Yeah, you very well, no doubt,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Great to talk to you again, buddy, Thank you, yep,
Speaker 1: Thanks man Clark, Kelly CBS. We'll take a break. Some
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Speaker 1: new poll question. Pauli even enhanced it by saying, a
Speaker 1: thought provoking poll question here, And we're not used to
Speaker 1: that any day of the week, especially on a Friday.
Speaker 1: I was reading that some of the NFL draftees Will
Speaker 1: Levis and c. J. Stroud are going out to dinner
Speaker 1: with the owner GM coaching staff, you know, steak dinners
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Do you order a drink when
Speaker 1: you go out? That's a question. Oh, if you were like, well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're any of those quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: thought about this last night with Will Levis going out
Speaker 1: with Carolina. So if you're any of these guys, they're
Speaker 1: all twenty one are over, you're sitting at the table.
Speaker 1: So let's say you're Will Levis and Frank Reich is.
Speaker 1: They all got their menus in their hand, and Frank
Speaker 1: Reich goes, I'll have a pint of whip blank and
Speaker 1: you're next up. That means someone's already ordered a beer
Speaker 1: at the table. No, why but you don't need it?
Speaker 1: But you want a beer? What if if it doesn't matter?
Speaker 1: What if the but you'd agree? But is there? Are
Speaker 1: you trying to send a message that I'm here on business. Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me millions of dollars. The last thing
Speaker 1: I want is you to think, oh, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a beer with me or two? How many are you
Speaker 1: having when you're not with me? No, And even if
Speaker 1: Frank Craig, okay, I'll let you Behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: the SPS many many years ago, Bill Murray's hosting, he
Speaker 1: had a bunch of writers with him, guys I think
Speaker 1: worked with him. At Saturday Night Live, somebody pulls out
Speaker 1: a joint and pat starts to pass it around to
Speaker 1: everybody there, and all of a sudden it comes to
Speaker 1: my boss, and then he passes it to me. He
Speaker 1: doesn't take a hit of it. Now, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what to do in this situation, and so I had
Speaker 1: to pass the duchy to the left hand side here,
Speaker 1: and then the next time around, I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: I have this opportunity, in this moment with these guys
Speaker 1: and Bill Murray, and they're writing things for the SP's,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to, you know, do this for medicinal purposes.
Speaker 1: So I'm next to my boss and I turned to
Speaker 1: pass it and I thought, all right, let me just
Speaker 1: take a little hit off of this and passed it down.
Speaker 1: But I was there with my boss a little bit different,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to make sure if he was going to,
Speaker 1: then I definitely was going to. But then I thought,
Speaker 1: John's not taking a hit. Would anybody have a drink
Speaker 1: if they went out with the possibility of this team
Speaker 1: drafting you, Paulie, I would if I saw the other
Speaker 1: people at a table having odd drink and I'm going
Speaker 1: back to my hotel and I'm not driving, I would
Speaker 1: have one. Can't. I'm a grown man. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: fake it for you and let the chips fall. Oh
Speaker 1: I need a beer there just because they're having it.
Speaker 1: Oh if they jump off a cliff? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: jump off a cliff? See, all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: started asking you questions about yourself. If you have a beer? Yes, See,
Speaker 1: when you're twenty one, you're still enjoying the novelty of
Speaker 1: being able to go out and order a beer with
Speaker 1: the adults. You don't need a beer, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you might want one. I would just be like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm on a diet, Like I'm just I'm just training.
Speaker 1: But like when you're twenty one years old, you're not, like, man,
Speaker 1: long day of work. I'm grimmy, yeah, man, what I
Speaker 1: mean like, this old draft process is stressful. Man, I'd
Speaker 1: like to have a beer. Let's get a cold one, fellas.
Speaker 1: Can I get a shot of Pappy Van Winkle too?
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna need that take the edge off here.
Speaker 1: You're still kind of tickled about taking out your idea
Speaker 1: and being like, yeah, that's right, I can yes, boy, okay.
Speaker 1: Part two of the question. You're looking at the menu
Speaker 1: at the steakhouse. The most expensive steak on the menu.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's sixty five dollars and it's a marble
Speaker 1: t bone blow whatever. Would you order the most expensive
Speaker 1: steak on the menu or would you think it through
Speaker 1: and be moderate? I would not order the most expensive
Speaker 1: thing on the menu if that's what you really want.
Speaker 1: I would if I wanted a beer, would I have
Speaker 1: a beer? Yeah? But these organizations NFL billions of dollars,
Speaker 1: I can't. I gotta pick the fifty eight dollars takes
Speaker 1: down to sixty seven dollars day. You don't think that
Speaker 1: they're reading into this. I definitely agree that you don't
Speaker 1: have a drink, and I wouldn't have dessert either. All
Speaker 1: he's gonna get fat. He wants a piece of chocolate.
Speaker 1: But if you really want I want, you gotta joy
Speaker 1: the line somewhere. But the difference in price of steaks
Speaker 1: or the revels fifty eight this one sixty seven? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the point you want. You want something, they're
Speaker 1: gonna read into what you're ordering. Yeah, see, you know
Speaker 1: where I'm squeezing them for every dollar my contract tract.
Speaker 1: Not on a steak steak all yeah, man, I'll get
Speaker 1: the New York strip for thirty four dollars, no problem.
Speaker 1: But then when it comes time to contract, I want
Speaker 1: the thirty four mill, not the thirty All right? What else?
Speaker 1: Falling last one? What if you ordered a more sophisticated drink,
Speaker 1: like could I see the wine menu and you ordered
Speaker 1: a nice glass of wine that was like to go
Speaker 1: with your steak? Or I thought that made shows like
Speaker 1: background education diversity. Oh you can still be an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're ay, I order high end wine.
Speaker 1: I don't have a drinking problem. Yes, can you get
Speaker 1: an appetizer? Can you get a side dish? Or you're
Speaker 1: you're taking advantage if you want some mashed potatoes on
Speaker 1: the side or something. Okay, all right, you got slapped
Speaker 1: down with the steaks. Come back, here we go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have the second with third most expensive steaks, ton
Speaker 1: An NFL team. They can take care of my appetizer
Speaker 1: and my steak. You're better than that. Very slightly final
Speaker 1: hour coming up on this meat Friday, we'll get the
Speaker 1: phone calls. Fritzie Seaton, Mar Paulie, yours truly