WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Bryce Young vs. CJ Stroud, Clark Kellogg 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.720 Sports Radio Hour two. On this Friday, Dan and the 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.520 Danni's Dan Patrick Show breeze through the first hour, spend 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.400 some time talking about the games last night, games coming 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.640 up tonight. We'll do a little more of that through 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.560 Suller Clark Kellogg, former college basketball player All American and 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.200 playtot Ohio State of course, played in the NBA as 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.400 well on loan from CBS Sports. We will get to 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.560 more of your phone calls. Eat seven seven three d 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.400 P Show email address DP at Dan Patrick dot com, 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.720 Twitter handle at DP show. It's a meat Friday. 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So tonight 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:12.160 San Diego State against Alabama, San Diego State getting seven 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.160 and a half, Miami getting seven and a half against Houston, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.160 Princeton getting ten versus Creighton, and Xavier getting four and 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.840 a half against Texas. There'll be a game tonight, maybe two, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.000 maybe all of them where we go wow, and last 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.280 night you had the wow factor. You had Marquis Noel 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.080 rolls his ankle, plays in the second half as nineteen 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.040 assists at the old time record I think was that 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.160 Mark Wade at un l V. Yes, I think you 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.440 had eighteen eighteen Mark Wade for some reason. Greg Anthony 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.079 might be up there as well for old time assists. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.720 But it was fun last night Florida Atlantic. I mean, 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.240 that wasn't an exciting game. Florida Atlantic just kind of 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.120 realized Tennessee is good at defense? Can we saw of 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.200 that because they're not very good at offense? And Florida 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.160 Atlantic here where you have another nine seed or lower 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.520 to advance to the Elite eight. Let's see Marquise Noel. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.520 So far he has sixty four points, forty two assists, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:19.080 eleven steals. There have been five players in the last 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.080 thirty years to have at least those numbers in a 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:28.239 single tournament. TJ. Ford, Andre Miller, Bobby Hurley and Greg 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:33.000 Anthony of UNLV. Stat of the Day, Sat of the day, 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.400 that past stat of the day, stat of the day, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:43.080 here comes that what stat of the day. Some of 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:47.440 the other news pro Day yesterday Bryce Young, and if 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.320 you wanted to have at least a decision to make, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.200 I think Carolina has that now. By all accounts, Bryce 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.119 Young put on a great display. It still comes back 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.720 to and I was told by a scot this morning, 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.360 I don't care how tall he is, or isn't I 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.480 care how big he is, And he didn't want to 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.040 get Wade. He refused to get Wade yesterday, which I 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.640 found interesting because I think he's going to be playing 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.240 at maybe a buck ninety to start his career. Now, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.680 he was at two oh four at the Combine, but 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.040 you can load up to get to two oh four. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.160 I think that these teams have to realize that Bryce 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.480 Young is going to he's always going to be five 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.280 ten and he's probably going to be, you know, one ninety. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.680 He's not built the way Russell Wilson is. He's not 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.960 built the way Kyler Murray is. You know, they're they're 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:39.960 built with football and baseball bodies. Bryce Young is slight, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:46.360 but what they love about him is his sense of anticipation. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.440 He's very bright and now this is from the Scout. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.760 He releases up high, which is obviously great, but he 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.600 might be a Doug Flutie type because Flutie. Flutie came 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.760 along at the wrong time. He did win the Heisman, 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:06.840 but Doug Flute in today's college football or NFL landscape 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.240 would be highly thought of. He was just a great 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.800 athlete playing quarterback, but we got caught up in how 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.600 tall he was or wasn't, and Flute never really got 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.040 a great chance to play. Bryce Young is going to 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:22.839 get a chance and he's going to go in the 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.800 top five. But CJ. Stroud still feels like he's the 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.240 guy because if you're going to check the boxes, CJ. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.920 Stroud and Bryce Young do sort of the same things. 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.080 Maybe Bryce is a better athlete, but CJ. Stroud, as 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:44.080 the scout said, I watched him, but I also watched 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.200 the game against Georgia, and I'll take more out of 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.080 the What they're trying to do is he had a 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.640 lot of time in the pocket. Okay, when he doesn't 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.080 have time in the pocket, how good is he? And 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.000 the same they're doing that with Bryce Young, because if 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.120 you have a clean pocket and you're in college, you're 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.000 going to complete sixty percent of your passes and you're 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.599 gonna have those wide receivers at those schools, you're gonna 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.440 it'd be difficult to not put up great numbers. What 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.640 they want to see is when there's adversity, what do 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.080 you do? Pocket collapses? Do you stay in there? Do 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.720 you take a hit? Can you run? Can you extend? 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.680 All of these things that they factor in, not only 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.000 with what they see at a pro day, but you know, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.120 even the scout said, I don't get anything out of 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.000 a pro day. I mean, I do get to see 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.120 him in person, but you know I saw him at 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.680 the combine. You look at Bryce Young, and they're going 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.680 to single out the Texas game because that's where you 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.000 saw somebody drag a team to a victory on the 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.599 road and there was adversity there. That's what they're looking for. 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.479 At least the scout that I spoke to this morning. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.120 We exchange text messages because I said, Bryce Young, question mark. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.480 He said, you know, he's what we expect him to be. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:04.200 He's he's very accurate, he's smart, and the anticipation is 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.599 really important because that's where you throw somebody open. In college, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.720 you're open. In the NFL, you throw players open, and 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.360 there's a big, big difference in that stat of the 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.800 Day is always brought to you by Paninia America, the 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.480 official trading cards for the Dan Patrick's Show. A couple 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.200 of phone calls in here as we get started. Ryan 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:28.559 in West Virginia, Hi Ryan, what's on your mind? Ryan, 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:34.160 West Virginia six two one ninety, Hi? Ryan? Do you 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.440 think that the Big Twelve, in being in the last 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.160 three NCAA Championships winning two of them, has taken the 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.680 crown as being the perennial basketball conference. We see the 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.920 parody in the conference now with Kansas State and Texas 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.800 still alive in the tournament, and of course next year 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:56.280 they're adding Houston, almost like the Big East of Old. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.720 It's just stacking teams to be the powerhouse conference. What 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.120 do you think, Well, you are losing Texas and you're 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:08.560 losing Oklahoma getting Houston. But it feels like you're the 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:13.120 crown is on loan from the ACC or maybe the SEC. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.560 North Carolina down a little bit. Duke, I thought was 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.960 going to make a deeper run here, but what you've seen, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:24.120 you know, Kansas State, the entire Big Twelve, I mean 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.240 that was really really competitive and that's why you got 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.560 all those teams in the tournament. But Kansas State, I think, 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.640 and I totally underrated them. I would watch him and 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.920 I thought, all right, got a good team there, and 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.080 I like their coach. In fact, this is what their 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.600 coach had to say after the win last night, Jerome 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:48.360 Tang postgame interview on the court, Coach, you had a 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.480 shirt on yesterday and practice it said crazy faith on it. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.920 How much crazy faith did you have to have in 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.719 those last twenty seconds? Oh yeah, I mean we got 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.839 a ton of faith in each other. They have faith 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.800 in me. I got faith that every one of these 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.640 guys right here, they probably did more coaching than I did. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.160 I just thought to love them, man, And when you 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.880 love people, it's amazed at what you could accomplish. I 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.880 saw you two going at it over a couple of 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.760 timeout arguments and play call arguments. That's the kind of 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.040 relationship you have, though. What was it like in those 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.480 final seconds with the timeout battle between coaches? You know, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.719 when we was out of a place of fire, But 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.120 we practiced in a place of fire all the time, 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.160 so he was ready for it. This is a bad 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.800 boy right here. There's a bad bother. It sounded like 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:37.079 Kevin Hart and James in Virginia. Hey, brother, a little 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.080 bit of a little bit of Kevin Hard in there. Yeah, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:42.920 it felt like the coach was gonna say whatever he 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.640 wanted to say. This isn't matter what the question was, coach, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.440 real quick, twenty sex stuff. You're trying to get the 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.880 play to Johnson. These guys, I love the man that 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.720 they've been bought. That dud's a bad man right there now, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.200 I was asking you about the play. I love them 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:02.360 a crazy faith when brother and hail to the commander. Hey, 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.880 come on and brother, Hey, Kansas State. They did good? 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:11.680 Oh James sorry, yeah, uh, he's still white. It's still funny. 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.400 It's great love that enthusiasm and this time of the year. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.760 And this is a team that had what two starters 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.520 coming back and they were picked for last and all 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.360 of a sudden it starts to click. You know. You 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.160 get a get a transfer in who didn't even know 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.120 if he could play anymore, collapsed on the floor. Were 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:39.320 playing last night. Marquise Noel wonderful. Yeah, Mark doesn't a 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.079 Marquis Nooel's story happened almost every year where you get 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.400 a guy from a certain area, and I'm sure Saint 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.400 John's fans are like, where was nobody, you know, looking 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.199 for this guy? How come you know we passed on 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:50.839 this guy. It's like, come was like Steph Curry when 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.720 he was at Davidson. I'm sure Roy Williams and coach 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.360 k got asked that question all the day after the tournament. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.760 They did, and they would answer it by telling you 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.200 who they did recruit instead of Steph Curry, and you'd go, okay, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.679 I mean that guy was a high school All American 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.439 and you know, probably a five star basketball player. But 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.600 Kante Johnson turned down five million dollars to play at 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:17.439 k State, and he could have had an insurance policy. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.079 The NCAA has an insurance policy for players that are 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.120 determined to possibly have a career pass college but they 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.559 won't be able to play any longer. And he collapsed 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.280 on the floor when his junior season at Florida and 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.679 he was the SEC preseason Player of the Year. He 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.079 was going to be a first round pick, widely considered 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.679 to be a first round talent, and then he had 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:46.120 not played basketball in a while o Kill Academy. But 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.880 then you have Drew Timmy, I mean he did it again. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.960 It's like you watch and you go, how many points 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.000 he got, like he had half his team's points through 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.520 the first like ten minutes, but he had thirty six 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.200 and thirteen. I don't think he's gonna have thirty six 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.360 and thirteen against Connecticut. But Timmy is one of three 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.320 players since seeding began in nineteen seventy nine to have 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:14.080 at least thirty five and twelve rebounds against a two 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:19.160 seed or higher. Shack did it against Indiana, and Larry 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:29.400 Bird did it versus De Paul started the days start started, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:34.640 the day started, The day started. Timmy could come back 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.480 the extra year, but we talked to Seth Davis from CBS. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.640 He said he's not coming back, but he could, And 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.199 I don't know how we're going to remember him, you know, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.160 like Christian Laytner to me is one of the top 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.160 five players in college basketball history because look at what 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.959 the end result was. He was a great player for 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:57.520 a great program and was big in big moments. Drew 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.600 Timmy is putting up these numbers where you go, Okay, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.160 he's good, but you know, is he going to be like, 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.840 you know, the ninth guy on the bench for the Timberwolves. 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.720 And we tend to look at that like how successful 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.800 you are in the pros, and that can factor in 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.760 on how good you were in college. So Timmy has 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:22.360 seven tournament games with at least twenty five points. That 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.960 ties him with Bill Bradley and Oscar Robertson for third 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.480 most all time. Elvin Hayes and Jerry West tied for first. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:34.600 So I mean just right there that I would take 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.840 that paragraph if I'm Drew Timmy, and I would frame it. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.680 I'd blow it up. I'd make a billboard out of 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.439 that thing. Hey, you can't mention my name without mentioning 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:50.120 Jerry West and Oscar Robertson and Bill Bradley, Elvin Hayes 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.360 and Connecticut. To me, is the team to be based 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.160 what we've seen so far. They're winning by at least 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.880 fifteen points. And the time that happened for a team 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:06.000 that's seeded four or lower Kansas a number four seedback 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.800 in two thousand and four, it's impressive. That's a deep 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.880 team and a big team as well. Yeah, Paul, did 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.400 you see the big man? Armando? Armando Bikot for UNC 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.640 is returning for his fifth year, fifth year as a starter. Basically, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.080 he's gonna have probably all the ACC records when he's 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.680 done and he'll probably be a nice pro, nice power 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.600 forward whatever. Maybe that was a surprise to these coming back. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.200 It's like Tyler Hans Rose the all time leading scorer. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.880 But you have to be good enough to do that, 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.800 but not great enough that you're going to leave after 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.720 one or two or three years. Yes, yes, you might 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.040 not be able to have the NBA skill set. Yeah, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.200 is that what you're trying to say, something like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.440 But because there were certain guys from Arkansas yesterday, they 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.200 had set, they had some skills, but you kind just 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.680 had a deeper team with like grown men. Yes, you 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.320 had a bunch of like really good eighteen to nineteen 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.600 year olds, but you kind's been together for three years. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.280 By the way, my gambling podcast we recorded that yesterday. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.560 So you have Shaye and Irving bad Larry and Dylan 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.880 the graphics guy, and we talk about a variety of things, 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.320 but we do eventually get around to those guys placing bets, 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.000 and yesterday we got onto the topic of why do 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.160 guys lie when they go to their doctors. Here is 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.800 just a little portion of Dan Patrick takes the gamble, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.680 but you don't we lie to our doctor, even though 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.920 that doctor is there to help us. Only drink on 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:29.440 the weekends. Like if you have four to five here 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.440 in alcohol they say four to five a day, You're 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.240 like a binge drinker. How many drinks you have a week? 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.560 I say is none? Honest? None? But I don't think 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:43.240 they counted beer. I kind of like that logic. So 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.880 that's bad Larry. He didn't realize that when you go 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.680 to the doctor and he asked you, how many drinks 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.920 do you have? None? Because he doesn't have mixed drinks. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.400 Bad Larry only drinks beer. A lot of fun. You 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.840 can listen to the podcast. I don't know if these 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.360 guys are any good at gambling, but there are entertaining 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.560 Shay and irving Bad Larry. We got to the h 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.480 the genesis of the nickname Bad Larry, and Larry explains 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.720 that on the podcast. You have to tune into the 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.640 podcast to find out why is bad? Why is bad 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.640 Larry called bad Larry Lawrence? Yes, bad Lar is what 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.800 he calls himself. All right, Well take a break. Clark 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.400 Kellogg set to join us. More phone calls as well. 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.360 We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Getrefunds dot Com 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.240 is here to help you. You're not sure about get refunds. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.200 You haven't heard about this, Well, if you listen to 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.120 this show, you have. Getrefunds dot Com has already helped 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.720 clients claim over three billion dollars in payroll tax refunds. 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This song right here, this will make you 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.080 love your spouse more. Really. You listen to the lyrics 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:06.920 of the song, you'll love your spot more really. Okay. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.439 By the way, The DP Show newsletter available daily at 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.280 six eastern three Pacific. Sign up go to Dan Patrick 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.600 dot com. Enter your email address in the box that 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:19.080 slides out bottom Ryank Corner. Clark Kellogg joining us the 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.600 CBS College Basketball on us Now. He was great high 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.680 school player, great college player, very good players up. How 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.959 long do you play in the NBA? Eight years? I 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.520 think seven years, seven years, came in averaging twenty for 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.840 the pace. Okay, all right, let's go around the room. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.760 The best player that Clark Kellogg faced in college. That 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.040 might be hard because you have to remember who he 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.240 was facing in the Big Ten. How about his entire career? 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.440 The best player he ever faced Todd, I'll start with you. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.480 I'm gonna say Larry Bird, Okay, Seaton, Yeah, Larry Bird's 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.119 a good one. That's where I was going, all right, 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:57.560 Marvin Magic Ooh, Okay, Paulie, I'm gonna throw up because 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.320 he was such a great defensive player. When Clark was 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:04.040 in the pros, I'm gonna go, hakimlaj One, I'm gonna go, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.359 I'm gonna go Larry Bird. Here, let's bring in Clark Kellogg, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.679 the former Ohio Stake Buckeye, and he had a pacer. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:14.119 The best player you played against was there are a 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.080 ton of them in the early eighties. I got drafted 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.200 and eighty two played only five years. Guys, really three 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.199 when you think a number of games because of my 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.880 left knee giving up on me as far as playing basketball. 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.080 But Bird clearly is on the list. But the hardest 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:33.320 guy for me to defend was Bernard King. Wow. Yeah, 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:38.480 because he was an unbelievable score, had all the shots 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.879 you needed to score from twenty feet an end. And 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.080 it seemed like the Knicks at that time Hubby Brown 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.640 was coaching him. It seemed like they ran sixty five 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:53.360 percent of their plays for him. I remember asking him 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.000 because I think it was around six to five. Clark 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.080 said it was just six. Yeah, I'll give him six six, Okay, 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.639 can't took six to have long arms. Also played a 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.119 little taller than what he was, but man, he was 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:08.600 relentless in attacking you and attacking the basket. And I 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.600 and he, I think he averaged thirty three and a 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.080 half one year. And what I said, how do you 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.520 get your shot off against bigger guys, taller guys? He 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:21.160 said he started to shoot as he's turning around. Yes, 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.400 he didn't. He didn't turn around to shoot. He went 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.159 up and turned and it was rare if you got 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.400 a piece of his shot there. Underrated quick release, yeah, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:38.119 very underrated. Tremendous score, great tenacity and ferocity when it 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.439 came to playing the game and scoring the basketball. So 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.240 he was a difficult guy for me to deal with personally. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.760 Marcus Johnson was in his hey day two at that time, 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:54.000 and it was problematic, But hopefully I made it tough 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:55.800 for the guys who had to deal with me for 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.480 that for that short time that I was in the league. Well, 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.200 you were too nice. I'm sure Larry Bird didn't trash 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:06.119 talk you because you're a nice guy. He was nondiscriminate, 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:12.080 nondiscriminatory in regards in regards to who got Wait, what 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.360 would he say to you? You're one of the nicest 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:19.080 guys on the planet. What could well? I didn't get 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.600 the brunt of it. As I've heard over the years. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.840 You know, get your hands off of me. It's gonna 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.159 be a long night, you know that kind of stuff. 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.600 You can't guard me, you know. And he would do 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.760 it like a ventriloquisty because you couldn't see his mouth move. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.600 Was that because of the mustache? That may have been 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.560 part of it. That may have been part of it. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.919 But man, I will tell you this. I mean, we 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:44.800 had a game. We were you know, we were struggling 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:46.760 in the early eighties, hadn't quite gotten it was right 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.760 before Reggie got there in eighty seven, and then Smith's 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.760 and eighty eight and Davis Boys. I was part of 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.080 those teams as a broadcast but never got to play 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.840 with Reggie. But I retired in eighty seven. But there 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.199 was a time when we actually found a way to 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.199 beat the Celtic. Didn't happen. I think we beat him 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.880 once I hit the last second shot we played them 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.960 tough in the game they had in the cork of 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.200 the schedule. Sometimes you would played the same team back 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.640 to back one time at your place, and then you'd 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.680 go there and with I don't know, I don't I 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.000 don't know if Bird had played well, if he was frustrating, 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:18.280 or anytime he came back to Indiana you sensed he 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.479 was a little more focused. Um. But anyway, we had 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.720 played them well to night before the game before, and 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.800 then like within a few days, we had to go 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:31.040 to the garden and he proceeded to drop um fifty 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.480 three on me and whoever else was gardening him that night. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.159 And I'll never forget that. It was a there was 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.120 a different level of focus from one of the greatest 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.679 players of all time. Do you think we'll get somebody 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:50.240 scoring ninety points in a game in the NBA? Yeah, Yeah, 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:51.960 I wouldn't say Heck, I didn't think we were going 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.120 to see a sixteam be to one in the tournament 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.600