WEBVTT - Behind the SNAFU Book – plus, your chance to meet Ed on tour (or virtually)!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, this is Snaffo, the podcast about history's greatest

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<v Speaker 1>screw ups. I am your host ed helms, and today,

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<v Speaker 1>before we wrap up season three next Wednesday, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>i'd insert a little special bonus episode here. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>excited to take you behind the scenes of Snaffo a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit and also share with you a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about my Snaffu book coming out very soon, which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so so excited about. So to do that, I have

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<v Speaker 1>roped in one of our incredible, brilliant, unbelievable, talented, hilarious,

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<v Speaker 1>and did I say brilliant, I think I did. Snaffoo

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<v Speaker 1>producers Carl Nellis. Carl, thanks for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thanks for bringing me onto the mic. A little

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<v Speaker 2>wild to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on camera. You're in the hot seat today, Carl.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm feeling it.

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<v Speaker 3>Feel the heat, Yeah, you feel the heat.

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<v Speaker 1>Because whenever we're recording a Snapoo episode, Carl is here.

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<v Speaker 3>Carl is with me.

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<v Speaker 1>He's helping me with the spontaneous rewrites and edits, he's

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting with me, and he's just one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>sort of guide posts in this whole process and also

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<v Speaker 1>just a genuine history fiend like myself. Which is why

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<v Speaker 1>it's so fun to collaborate with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Carl.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's another little little Easter egg for you, Carl is

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<v Speaker 1>in season three. Also, Carl voices some of the characters

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the season. Do you want to fill us in

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<v Speaker 1>on any of.

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<v Speaker 5>Those, Well, I'll never tell who it is, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's such a joy to do that and many

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<v Speaker 5>of the other producers of Gilded Audio Film Nation team.

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<v Speaker 2>Season three was so fun because they were those little

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<v Speaker 2>chances to voice a bit here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we roped in the whole gang, and lots of

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<v Speaker 1>little pieces here and there, which always makes it fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk a little bit about where these snaffoos come from.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you mentioned, we do have a we have a

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<v Speaker 1>great team between Gilded Audio and Film Nation and my company,

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Electric. We just have a lot of really smart,

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful people contributing to the show. And let's talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about how we find these snaffoos.

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<v Speaker 4>Carl. Yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 2>We often think of it like a treasure hunt. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many great stories across time and play. We

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<v Speaker 2>know they're out there, and so we get together, we

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<v Speaker 2>set the vision, and we go looking and we just

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<v Speaker 2>come back with so many incredible, sometimes small, sometimes big,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, amazing stories of great screw ups to cover

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<v Speaker 2>and consider, take lessons from, sometimes laugh at, laugh with

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<v Speaker 2>it's so fun that we're all doing it together, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we come and bring them to each other, discuss

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<v Speaker 2>pick the best ones.

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<v Speaker 4>It's chuckle. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's be honest, there are too many. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>are too many snapfoos to choose from. We do dumb things.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done dumb things throughout history. It is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great consistencies of human behavior throughout the centuries. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just very, very dumb. And so there's so much to

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<v Speaker 1>choose from. And as we as we dig through everything

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<v Speaker 1>and decide what to put on the podcast, we have

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<v Speaker 1>stumbled on such a treasure trove that this is what

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<v Speaker 1>fueled the book. So I'm going to turn the tables

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<v Speaker 1>on you, Carl. I'm usually the one interviewing on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to interview me a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>the book so I can help listeners understand what to

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<v Speaker 1>expect and why this book is going to be so

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<v Speaker 1>fun and cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Well, and let's start right there with the foundational idea,

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<v Speaker 2>why why go from audio to book? And what excites

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<v Speaker 2>you about turning these snaphoo stories into a book?

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<v Speaker 3>Great question.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I love the audio medium because there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many opportunities to be playful, and it's obviously very adjacent

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<v Speaker 1>to the film and television mediums I'm so used to.

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<v Speaker 3>But there were a lot of snaffoos that didn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>The depth that we require to dive into them on

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<v Speaker 1>this show, and so it started to gel that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>these are like, maybe these would just make.

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<v Speaker 3>Good book chapters. A book allows you to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be visual, right with illustrations and historical documents and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>We brought in an amazing illustrator, Mark Harris and had

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<v Speaker 1>him sort of interpret some of these snaffoos into his

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<v Speaker 1>particular form of artistic expression, which is these really cool

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<v Speaker 1>kind of collage style pieces, and they're peppered throughout the book.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something you can't do in a podcast, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't rope into Mark Harris to throw in some jazzy visuals.

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<v Speaker 1>And so do I feel like we've like we got

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<v Speaker 1>this really cool collection of art, Like I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hang this stuff in my house. It's a new and

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<v Speaker 1>different kind of collaboration for the team, and one that

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<v Speaker 1>that's been really really fun.

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<v Speaker 4>You're right, it's so gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the ways that he manipulates historical photographs,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're seeing the real photograph of the real thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but then he's really put it into his style and

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<v Speaker 2>his idiom.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so so fun to see.

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<v Speaker 2>For my part, I was a book editor before audio,

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<v Speaker 2>so I went book editor audio, now.

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<v Speaker 4>Back to book again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just feeling right at home. I'm so so glad

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing this project.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey man, what are you feeling about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Being your first book coming out?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have particular book feelings with this book about

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<v Speaker 2>to launch?

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<v Speaker 1>Great question, book feelings, Like you said, never written a

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<v Speaker 1>book before. I usually only look at books with pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>cartoon books.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I'm scared of stretches of text.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I will say that it's such a different approach

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<v Speaker 1>and the process is so much more isolating and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of individual that there's some beauty to that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it just hit me, like.

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<v Speaker 1>How much work it is to make a book, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's just so many steps to the process. The editing,

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<v Speaker 1>the revising, the notes, and getting so much incredible feedback

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<v Speaker 1>from the team.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And then on the publisher side, editors, their team. They're

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<v Speaker 2>also putting in work when you hand it off to them.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe we think of books as individual projects, but

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, there are these pieces different people getting

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<v Speaker 2>it ready to go out where people can actually pick

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<v Speaker 2>up a chunk of paper and read the ink off it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of steps along the way from your

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<v Speaker 2>desk to there. It's fun to see it all come

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<v Speaker 2>together as we head toward launch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very very proud.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also really proud of the comedic tone that I

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<v Speaker 1>think we as a team on the podcast have worked

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<v Speaker 1>so hard to dial in over these three seasons, and

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<v Speaker 1>that I can tell you just it's it's informed so

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<v Speaker 1>much of the book as well, like it's always echoing

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<v Speaker 1>in my head, like how would we say this in

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, what's the funny thing or what's the appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>joke here, versus like what's the easy joke or the

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this joke is too crude, maybe this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a place for a joke. It's a constant analysis but

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<v Speaker 1>really really a fun part of the process and something

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really proud of and speaking of.

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<v Speaker 2>What the stories are about, how they shape the tone

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<v Speaker 2>or invite certain kinds of Like you said, jokes, pathos,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Let's head into the book a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you take us inside? How is it set up?

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<v Speaker 2>What are readers going to find in there when they

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<v Speaker 2>crack open the cover.

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<v Speaker 1>The book is structured in six parts, which are roughly decades,

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<v Speaker 1>starting in the fifties and through to the present, And

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<v Speaker 1>within each of those chunks is a bunch of like

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of snaffoos. It's really, I think, instructive and

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful to group these snaffoos by decade because it gives

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<v Speaker 1>us a little bit of a cultural lens for context,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a fun way to look at things. We

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<v Speaker 1>all have associations with the sixties, we have associations with

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and the eighties and so on, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we bring those associations to these stories that happen in

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<v Speaker 1>these time periods. But also like they're meaningful, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>things that are happening culturally are really affecting even what

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<v Speaker 1>we think of as a snafu, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, it helps us in thinking about it and like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is my grandpa's snafu. This is the one that

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<v Speaker 2>had him like white knuckling his armchair, and oh this

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<v Speaker 2>was my dad's snaffoo. And then, like you said, we

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<v Speaker 2>come up to the present and there are stories where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, I remember that, I remember how I

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<v Speaker 2>felt reading that in the news, and then the story

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<v Speaker 2>that we get in the book kind of peels back

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<v Speaker 2>that headline layer and takes us into with each story

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<v Speaker 2>some of the intricacies behind it.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a fascinating process.

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<v Speaker 2>Even for the stuff that is in the present where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, that's my snaffoo, that's my present day snafu.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wow, there's some new nuggets here, even for

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<v Speaker 2>me who remembers that present day event. You're right, like,

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<v Speaker 2>each of them has a different flavor of the different decade.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, speaking of those stories, what are some of your

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<v Speaker 2>favorites from the book now that you've put this book together,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's sticking with you?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, they're all my babies, so it's hard to pick,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are a few that jump to mind.

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<v Speaker 3>One I love because.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a little bit of a Hollywood rasmtaz to it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a CIA operation called Project Azorian, and basically

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<v Speaker 1>a Soviet sub sank in the Pacific Ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>The Soviets didn't know where it was, but we did.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew exactly where it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only that, we wanted it for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>serious intel, right, it would have lots of technology, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is a nuclear sub.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have all this Soviet.

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<v Speaker 1>Technology that we were trying to decipher and code breaking

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<v Speaker 1>manuals and all kinds of stuff. So we wanted this sub.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like two miles deep in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the North Pacific. You can't just like go and get

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<v Speaker 1>that without causing a huge hub up. So the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>approaches Howard Hughes, the reclusive billionaire Hollywood producer and weird

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<v Speaker 1>businessman's who's like literally living in the penthouse of a

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas casino at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>And they say, hey, Howard, will you pretend like.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get into deep sea mineral mining and build

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<v Speaker 1>and that you're going to build this ship that for

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<v Speaker 1>your mining operations, But actually it's our plan to build

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<v Speaker 1>a ship to lower a claw down into the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>to grab this nuclear sub. But we're gonna, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>the cover story is that you are doing deep sea mining.

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<v Speaker 1>And Howard Hughes, of course, who's insane, is like, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>I love to lie about deep sea mining.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. So they do this.

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<v Speaker 1>They build this this crazy ship with a giant claw,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the Arcade Claw games, and they head out.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the middle of the Pacific. They lower the claw.

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<v Speaker 3>It's two miles deep, and they get the sub but

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<v Speaker 3>of course it takes forever. It's like it takes like

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<v Speaker 3>two days just to winch it back up, and then

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<v Speaker 3>once they get to the top, it breaks. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>a wild, hilarious and insane story, and I just I

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<v Speaker 3>love how much hubris is baked into it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also like it's weirdly successful. It's a funny

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<v Speaker 1>thing to include as a snaffoo because a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of CIA people were saying, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get all the intel we wanted, but we

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<v Speaker 1>still pulled off this insane thing. So it's still like

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<v Speaker 1>we want to call it a success, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, they it hardly justified the hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of dollars it cost to do what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's it rests firmly in the snatfuo category.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just an awesome and wild, wild story. What's

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<v Speaker 1>one of your favorites from the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and just from that story, there's also a phrase

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA used to cover their tracks about that secret

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<v Speaker 2>operation that has entered the public lexicon. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to know what it is, got to read that

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<v Speaker 2>chapter of the book. Thank you, Yeah for me. There's

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<v Speaker 2>one from the nineteen fifties where there was a Canadian

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear reactor that melts down and the Canadians need immediate

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<v Speaker 2>emergency help to contain the disaster that's happening, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they reach out to the nearest experts and it's some

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<v Speaker 2>US nuclear sub guys in New York State. They head

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<v Speaker 2>up over the border. They work out a wild plan

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<v Speaker 2>to save this melting down nuclear reactor. And the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's so cool about this story is that the person

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<v Speaker 2>leading that team trying to save the melting down nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>reactor is future President Jimmy Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's what twenty two, I think, yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty you know, he's very very young at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's also a little connection in this chapter to

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<v Speaker 1>the Almond Brothers that I love. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>really funny moments that I'm glad of the book. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy was buds with the Almond Brothers, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>great detail. He's from Jimmy's from what America's Georgia, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Almond Brothers are from making Georgia that it's just

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<v Speaker 1>this Georgia where.

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<v Speaker 3>We all walks am from Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we just we all stick together Georgia, Georgia, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we have each other's back.

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<v Speaker 2>How about one more from you at And is there

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<v Speaker 2>another chapter that you'd like to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>We get into the fabulous Suez Canal disaster, which most

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<v Speaker 1>people know, and because it was so recent, this the

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<v Speaker 1>giant tanker or container ship that just got wedged in

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<v Speaker 1>the Suez Canal and suddenly made the world realize how

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<v Speaker 1>dependent we are on this teeny tiny little stretch of

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<v Speaker 1>water that is actually a corridor for the biggest supply

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<v Speaker 1>chains in the world for everything. And they wind up

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<v Speaker 1>dredging and digging and digging and digging. But the great

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<v Speaker 1>detail is that it's actually this full moon occurrence that

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<v Speaker 1>allows the tide to rise high enough to just barely

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<v Speaker 1>nudge it off the bank and get it free. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a wild story and there's so many fun details.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of the book coming out, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about this because we're getting close. What's it

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<v Speaker 2>like gearing up for a book launch? Does it feel

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<v Speaker 2>similar to you? I mean, you've had so many incredible

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<v Speaker 2>projects come out over the years, including some great podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>I might say, how is gearing up for a book

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<v Speaker 2>launch feel compared to promoting a new movie or TV show?

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<v Speaker 3>It's very similar. Honestly. The book tour will feel similar to.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a movie promotional tour in that I'll be doing

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<v Speaker 1>talk shows, and I'll be doing appearances and all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. The big difference is that I expect to

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<v Speaker 1>be having much more in depth conversations with interviewers on

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<v Speaker 1>the book tour, talking more about the content of the book. Typically,

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<v Speaker 1>on a movie tour, you're just kind of staying pretty

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<v Speaker 1>superficial about how fun it was to make.

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<v Speaker 3>The movie and what's in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, I'm excited to really kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>play a bit of more intellectual ping pong with people

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<v Speaker 1>and just get into some of the ideas and ramifications

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<v Speaker 1>of these snaffoos and how they've resonated or what meaning

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<v Speaker 1>they've had throughout history.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to get to talk history You're gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>around the country talk in history with folks like I

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<v Speaker 2>get to nerd out so exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>I get to nerd out in such a fun way

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<v Speaker 1>and I truly can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>And So if people want to see you on this

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<v Speaker 2>book tour that you're doing to support the launch of

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<v Speaker 2>the book, where can they go where you're going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be fabulous question.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm also doing live in person appearances in lots

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of cities all around. Just off the top

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<v Speaker 1>of my head, I'm going to probably forget some but

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<v Speaker 1>New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, d C, Atlanta, Georgia my

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<v Speaker 1>hometown where I grew up, Chicago, San Francisco, and Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles my current hometown where I live now, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Ding Ding ding Ding. You got it, all of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So I'll be having events in all those

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<v Speaker 1>cities where people can buy tickets and come. See go

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<v Speaker 1>to Snafoo dashbook dot com for all the details about

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<v Speaker 1>where you can both pre order the book and there's

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<v Speaker 1>links to buy tickets to these events in all the

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<v Speaker 1>different cities.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic If you were going to cast yourself in one

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<v Speaker 2>of these Snaffoo stories from the book, is there someone

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<v Speaker 2>you would want to play.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, these are snaffoos, so we're talking about screw ups.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you had to be in one of these

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<v Speaker 2>screw ups, who you want to be?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, I've made a career of playing people

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<v Speaker 1>screwing up on camera, so I could really probably slot

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<v Speaker 1>into any of these.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, actually it would be pretty cool to play

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Carter where he's basically saving the planet. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>first nuclear reactor meltdown in history, and that's the snafu,

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<v Speaker 1>but Jimmy Carter is the hero, like he comes in

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<v Speaker 1>and saves the day, So that would be a cool one.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Course, I'm not in my twenties anymore, so that

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<v Speaker 3>might be a little bit of a stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one that I think would actually be really

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<v Speaker 1>funny to do is to be like a crew member

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<v Speaker 1>or the captain of the Ever given the ship that

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<v Speaker 1>was lodged in the Sue's canal, I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very Armando Yaanucci, kind of like Veep or even

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<v Speaker 1>like The Office, Like if you imagine the wheelhouse of

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<v Speaker 1>this giant container ship is kind of like dunder Mifflin

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<v Speaker 1>with just people like milling about doing their mundane jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden, the biggest disaster in

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<v Speaker 1>logistics history is upon you.

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<v Speaker 3>That feels like a ton of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna retake control of this interview, Carl.

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<v Speaker 1>You did a stupendous job, and I got to watch

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<v Speaker 1>my back here. You're gonna like take my job. You're

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<v Speaker 1>a great surviewer.

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<v Speaker 4>No danger, no danger of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But thank you so much, Carl for picking my brain

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<v Speaker 1>and just having a fun little breakdown both of our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast process and a little bit of backstory on this book,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm so proud of. Enjoy the rest of season

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<v Speaker 1>three Formula six and check out snafuo dashbook dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and come see me live in person. Let's talk Snafu.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll sign your books. It's gonna be great here here.

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<v Speaker 4>Do'll miss it, Lady,