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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, this is Snaffo, the podcast about history's greatest

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Speaker 1: screw ups. I am your host ed helms, and today,

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Speaker 1: before we wrap up season three next Wednesday, I thought

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Speaker 1: i'd insert a little special bonus episode here. I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited to take you behind the scenes of Snaffo a

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Speaker 1: little bit and also share with you a bit more

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Speaker 1: about my Snaffu book coming out very soon, which I'm

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Speaker 1: so so excited about. So to do that, I have

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Speaker 1: roped in one of our incredible, brilliant, unbelievable, talented, hilarious,

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Speaker 1: and did I say brilliant, I think I did. Snaffoo

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Speaker 1: producers Carl Nellis. Carl, thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for bringing me onto the mic. A little

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Speaker 2: wild to be here.

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Speaker 3: You're on camera. You're in the hot seat today, Carl.

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Speaker 4: I'm feeling it.

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Speaker 3: Feel the heat, Yeah, you feel the heat.

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Speaker 1: Because whenever we're recording a Snapoo episode, Carl is here.

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Speaker 3: Carl is with me.

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Speaker 1: He's helping me with the spontaneous rewrites and edits, he's

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Speaker 1: reflecting with me, and he's just one of the great

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Speaker 1: sort of guide posts in this whole process and also

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Speaker 1: just a genuine history fiend like myself. Which is why

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Speaker 1: it's so fun to collaborate with you.

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Speaker 4: Carl.

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Speaker 1: Here's another little little Easter egg for you, Carl is

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Speaker 1: in season three. Also, Carl voices some of the characters

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Speaker 1: throughout the season. Do you want to fill us in

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Speaker 1: on any of.

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Speaker 5: Those, Well, I'll never tell who it is, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's it's such a joy to do that and many

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Speaker 5: of the other producers of Gilded Audio Film Nation team.

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Speaker 2: Season three was so fun because they were those little

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Speaker 2: chances to voice a bit here and there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we roped in the whole gang, and lots of

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Speaker 1: little pieces here and there, which always makes it fun.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about where these snaffoos come from.

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Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, we do have a we have a

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Speaker 1: great team between Gilded Audio and Film Nation and my company,

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Speaker 1: Pacific Electric. We just have a lot of really smart,

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Speaker 1: wonderful people contributing to the show. And let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about how we find these snaffoos.

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Speaker 4: Carl. Yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: We often think of it like a treasure hunt. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's so many great stories across time and play. We

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Speaker 2: know they're out there, and so we get together, we

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Speaker 2: come back with so many incredible, sometimes small, sometimes big,

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Speaker 2: you know, amazing stories of great screw ups to cover

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Speaker 2: and consider, take lessons from, sometimes laugh at, laugh with

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Speaker 2: it's so fun that we're all doing it together, and

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Speaker 2: then we come and bring them to each other, discuss

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Speaker 2: pick the best ones.

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Speaker 1: And let's be honest, there are too many. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: are too many snapfoos to choose from. We do dumb things.

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Speaker 1: We've done dumb things throughout history. It is one of

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Speaker 1: the great consistencies of human behavior throughout the centuries. We're

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Speaker 1: just very, very dumb. And so there's so much to

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Speaker 1: stumbled on such a treasure trove that this is what

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Speaker 1: fueled the book. So I'm going to turn the tables

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Speaker 1: on you, Carl. I'm usually the one interviewing on this show.

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Speaker 1: I want you to interview me a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the book so I can help listeners understand what to

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Speaker 1: fun and cool.

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Speaker 2: why why go from audio to book? And what excites

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Speaker 1: Well, I love the audio medium because there are so

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Speaker 3: But there were a lot of snaffoos that didn't have.

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Speaker 1: Be visual, right with illustrations and historical documents and so forth.

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Speaker 1: We brought in an amazing illustrator, Mark Harris and had

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Speaker 1: That's something you can't do in a podcast, right, you

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Speaker 2: And some of the ways that he manipulates historical photographs,

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Speaker 2: I'm just feeling right at home. I'm so so glad

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Speaker 4: Being your first book coming out?

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Speaker 2: Do you have particular book feelings with this book about

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Speaker 1: Great question, book feelings, Like you said, never written a

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Speaker 2: And then on the publisher side, editors, their team. They're

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Speaker 2: So maybe we think of books as individual projects, but

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Speaker 1: I'm also really proud of the comedic tone that I

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Speaker 2: What the stories are about, how they shape the tone

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Speaker 2: Can you take us inside? How is it set up?

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Speaker 1: The book is structured in six parts, which are roughly decades,

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Speaker 1: things that are happening culturally are really affecting even what

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Speaker 1: we think of as a snafu, right, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it helps us in thinking about it and like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Even for the stuff that is in the present where

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Speaker 1: There was a CIA operation called Project Azorian, and basically

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Speaker 3: And they say, hey, Howard, will you pretend like.

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Speaker 1: And Howard Hughes, of course, who's insane, is like, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So they do this.

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Speaker 3: To be fabulous question.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna retake control of this interview, Carl.

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Speaker 1: You did a stupendous job, and I got to watch

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Speaker 4: No danger, no danger of that.

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much, Carl for picking my brain

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Speaker 1: three Formula six and check out snafuo dashbook dot com

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Speaker 1: and come see me live in person. Let's talk Snafu.

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Speaker 1: I'll sign your books. It's gonna be great here here.

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Speaker 4: Do'll miss it, Lady,