Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome into the sticks, DJ, Buck with
Speaker 2: your buck. What is going on? Man?
Speaker 3: Nothing? DJ, just getting ready for it. You know how
Speaker 3: this thing goes. Like we get to the end of
Speaker 3: the school year, we're about to go on summer break,
Speaker 3: try and make everything happen, graduations all that, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm actually my son's got internship in as
Speaker 2: we've discussed before, in Nashville. So I'm in Nashville. I'm
Speaker 2: in downstairs in this apartment. Like they have these workrooms
Speaker 2: by the way, apartments from when we were coming up,
Speaker 2: they've come a long way. It's a lot nicer. They
Speaker 2: had this little work room, but there's a lot a
Speaker 2: lot of other people in these little workstations. So I
Speaker 2: think you're like, like trying to be doing real work.
Speaker 2: So if you hear the golf voice, Buckets, because I'm
Speaker 2: trying not to be that guy's trying.
Speaker 3: To How you doing, man, Man, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I know we're going going to start off. I'll dit
Speaker 3: you do intro before we talk about some of this stuff,
Speaker 3: this news that's been happening all weekend, a lot of
Speaker 3: people getting paid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a good point. Let's start right there.
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Speaker 2: Within the hour before recording this next Sirianni gets a
Speaker 2: new deal with the Philadelphia Eagles, and I was thinking of,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a great example, but it's not how
Speaker 2: you start, it's how you finish. If you think about
Speaker 2: the opening news conference and all the grief that he
Speaker 2: got from that, and then you go through you know,
Speaker 2: getting to a super Bowl and not getting the super Bowl,
Speaker 2: then you have a little bit of a setback, and
Speaker 2: then to get back into the super Bowl and then
Speaker 2: when it and now cash in. It's been it's been
Speaker 2: an interesting example to me of someone who's persevered through
Speaker 2: some rough moments, but someone who I think has the
Speaker 2: complete and uh and total faith of his team in
Speaker 2: his locker room, and it's it's shown by what he
Speaker 2: was able to accomplish and what they were able to
Speaker 2: accomplish this last year.
Speaker 3: Little man. I think sometimes DJ the best thing that
Speaker 3: can happen before head coaches. You get knocked back a
Speaker 3: little bit and you have to kind of reflect and
Speaker 3: re emerge as a little bit of a different guy.
Speaker 3: Nick Herean, he's done a great job when you look
Speaker 3: at what he's accomplished during his four years. But the Eagles. Look,
Speaker 3: he's been in two Super Bowls, He's won one. He
Speaker 3: has a seventy percent winning percentage, which is third highest
Speaker 3: among coaches we've had fifty games. I mean, we can
Speaker 3: say a lot about him being quirky, and some of
Speaker 3: that was impacted by the opening presser, but you can't
Speaker 3: dispute how good he is, where he call plays or not.
Speaker 3: He has figured out a way to get his team
Speaker 3: to the winner circle multiple occasions. He has unlocked some
Speaker 3: fantastic talents on offense and defense. And as the head
Speaker 3: coach and someone who I will say like he can
Speaker 3: be a little emotional, a little volado, but I think
Speaker 3: he fits the city. Look his work. I mean, forty
Speaker 3: eight and twenty is nothing to sneeze at. With two
Speaker 3: Super Bowl appearances in four years.
Speaker 2: What's the difference between Pat playing for someone who who's
Speaker 2: and I know you played for a lot of edgy guys,
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to think maybe Homarden wasn't quite as
Speaker 2: edgy You've told me this before, but I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: He's someone who is, as you mentioned, emotional, where's it
Speaker 2: on his sleeve? And I think there's different ways to
Speaker 2: do it. I mean, Andy Reid is not Andy Reid
Speaker 2: is like the exact opposite of that. But to me,
Speaker 2: he's kind of the poster child for someone who's passionate
Speaker 2: and doesn't hide it. So I'm just curious that someone
Speaker 2: is anybody you can think of like will be the
Speaker 2: poor opposites the guys you played for.
Speaker 3: I would say Marve Levy, Hall of Famer, the coach
Speaker 3: was real, quiet, cerebral, very matter of fact about what
Speaker 3: he was teaching and coaching. And then John Gruden was
Speaker 3: a fireball. I mean he was young, energetic like he was,
Speaker 3: I mean energy NonStop. He always wanted juice, very emotional
Speaker 3: award on his sleeve. You can see by his facial
Speaker 3: expressions exactly what he thought. A lot of coaches don't
Speaker 3: operate like that, you know, and so he's different. But
Speaker 3: I would say, depending on like, the messaging can be
Speaker 3: the same, they just deliver it in different ways. And
Speaker 3: for some guys, the fiery coach works for them. Some
Speaker 3: other guys the cerebral, very patient, very thought thought out,
Speaker 3: thoughtful coach works. Both can be successful. I think the
Speaker 3: big thing, and I think Sirianni found this out. You've
Speaker 3: got to be true to you. If you're authentic to
Speaker 3: who you are, your style works because that's who you
Speaker 3: really are. Good batter and different.
Speaker 2: The thing I would be most excited about if you're
Speaker 2: an Eagles fan. Number one, you've got this core group
Speaker 2: locked in, so you've got your core group of guys.
Speaker 2: You got a good group of young players. You haven't
Speaker 2: had to pay yet, so you've able to balance kind
Speaker 2: of the high priced veterans with some young, cheaper players.
Speaker 2: But do you think about it, boock, you got your coach,
Speaker 2: so you've got some continuity there. You've got arguably the
Speaker 2: best personnel department in football in terms of roster building.
Speaker 2: And then, to me, like the little sleeper, the thing
Speaker 2: about the Philadelpha Eagles team is similar to the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: and having Spagnolo, who's a great coach, who hasn't been
Speaker 2: in probably you know, doesn't look like it's getting opportunities.
Speaker 2: Big Fangio ain't leaving anywhere to be a head coach
Speaker 2: anytime soon either, so you're gonna have continuity for this
Speaker 2: group going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have connuity. And I'm gonna say DJ,
Speaker 3: You're gonna have continuity on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: Because even though Nick sire Yanni doesn't call plays, Nick
Speaker 3: siir Yani was the one that in a way unlocked
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts in terms of the things that they did.
Speaker 3: So he's always able to keep the offense in a
Speaker 3: certain lane while giving the offense coordinator freedom. In big Fangio,
Speaker 3: the continuity, this sibility that defense is always going to
Speaker 3: be good as long as he's gonna be around. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be a system that everyone can grow in. And
Speaker 3: because they can grow in, it makes it very easy
Speaker 3: for the personnel department to stock people in it because
Speaker 3: the system doesn't change year to year.
Speaker 2: I know it's something that we'll get to as we
Speaker 2: get closer to the season in terms of the preview things,
Speaker 2: as we start looking at these teams, looking at these
Speaker 2: division these conferences and trying to figure out who's going
Speaker 2: to be good. But at this point in time, just
Speaker 2: with this Eagles team, when you look at Washington, where
Speaker 2: they are, you know, I think Washington obviously with the
Speaker 2: quarterback and a lot of the things they've done and
Speaker 2: being right there with them last year. You look at Washington,
Speaker 2: you look at Giants, who are going to be better.
Speaker 2: I think you know with what they've done the off season,
Speaker 2: they're going to be better. And then you look at
Speaker 2: the Cowboys who have a talented team, like are they
Speaker 2: any threat? Are these teams legit threats or is this
Speaker 2: a clear Philly is still the clear favorite?
Speaker 3: I think phi Philly is still the clear favorite. However,
Speaker 3: I mean, the Super Bowl hangover is real, and we've
Speaker 3: seen how challenging it can be when you go to
Speaker 3: the mountain top to stay on top of the mountain,
Speaker 3: like you got to scale it. The schedule is harder.
Speaker 3: Everyone is now using you, using your team as the
Speaker 3: measuring stick game, so you're getting everybody's best punch for
Speaker 3: seventeen games. That's that can be tough to fend off.
Speaker 3: But they're going to be there, and you understand, like
Speaker 3: if injuries aren't a factor once they get into the tournament,
Speaker 3: because they know how to win it, look, they're going
Speaker 3: to be a very very difficult out. A lot of
Speaker 3: it really just depandazonic. Can they stay locked in and
Speaker 3: focus enough to do all the things that they did
Speaker 3: last year, the necessary steps to be the same team
Speaker 3: they need to be when to get into the tournament.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting if you look at the
Speaker 2: teams that are outside that division who have to get
Speaker 2: through the Eagles. I think it's kind of the ultimate
Speaker 2: compliment when you see teams trying to build their team,
Speaker 2: not even in your division, but you can see a
Speaker 2: folk like to me, the Rams and the Niners, they
Speaker 2: made this concerted effort that we're going to be a
Speaker 2: physical line of scrimmage team and we're going to stop
Speaker 2: the run. Like that, to me is interesting how those
Speaker 2: teams outside the division, knowing who they got to get through,
Speaker 2: that tells you where Philly is right now in the packing.
Speaker 3: Well, it does, and it it speaks to the bigger
Speaker 3: point on team building we've always talked about the first
Speaker 3: thing that you do have to do is you got
Speaker 3: to be able to build your team to win the division.
Speaker 3: But you also have to take a look around the
Speaker 3: landscape and say, well, who are the teams that are
Speaker 3: going to be the formidable foes for the next four
Speaker 3: or five years. Do we have enough to deal with them? Well,
Speaker 3: if you're in the NFC. You're looking at field, you're
Speaker 3: looking at how young the team is. It's easy to
Speaker 3: envision them being a team that is always kind of
Speaker 3: going to be the gatekeeper when it comes to title contention. Well,
Speaker 3: if I got to deal with them, I know, from
Speaker 3: an offensive perspective, I better be able to deal with
Speaker 3: Jaylen Carter. I got to have someone to deal with
Speaker 3: the young corners that they have on the outside, the
Speaker 3: waves of pass versus that they also have. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a lot to deal with. So I got to
Speaker 3: make sure that I build my team the right way.
Speaker 3: Otherwise we can get into the playoffs and we're not
Speaker 3: gonna have enough gas to deal with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see, you know,
Speaker 2: how does How does does Philadelphia double down on what
Speaker 2: they've done or do they try and branch out into
Speaker 2: other areas to combat how teams are trying to stop them.
Speaker 2: And it looks like we're going to get the vote
Speaker 2: here on the Toush push here again coming up soon,
Speaker 2: so we'll see how that alters at least their fourth
Speaker 2: down game planning. But it is fascinating to see the
Speaker 2: team that at the very top. Do you see a
Speaker 2: way else trying to build and collect pieces to be
Speaker 2: able to combat that team at the very top. All right.
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Speaker 2: wassabi dot com. Buck big, big, big contract came down,
Speaker 2: not just on the coaching side, on the player side.
Speaker 2: By the way, I did those little little ads with
Speaker 2: Rock Purdy for Toyota that we did draft Nice and
Speaker 2: I got We talked a bit about a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he is a good dude. Like it's
Speaker 2: easy to see. And when people are like, is he
Speaker 2: going to get paid? You know what's that going to
Speaker 2: look like? And I think I had told you this.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, you can see what. Kyle Chanahan loves
Speaker 2: this guy like he can literally play the game through
Speaker 2: him because he can comprehend everything that's coming into his
Speaker 2: head and he can execute it. So that's why you
Speaker 2: end up getting five for two sixty five, one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty one million in total guarantees, one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty five the first three years. So there was no
Speaker 2: discount here as people were saying, maybe he'll get the
Speaker 2: middle tier contract. This is not a middle tier.
Speaker 3: Contract mana moutierr cont And the thing that everyone has
Speaker 3: pay attention to is no trade clause. No trade clause
Speaker 3: for the entirety of the contract. So brock Peridy is
Speaker 3: the Niners quarterback. It one of tells me a couple
Speaker 3: of different things when it comes to the team. And
Speaker 3: then I'm to ask you a question about scout and
Speaker 3: what did we learn from the brock Purty deal. For
Speaker 3: so long we always talk about quarterbacks, and we always
Speaker 3: talk about the physical tools and the arm talent, the
Speaker 3: athleticism and those things, and you got to have those.
Speaker 3: I think brock Purdy is the example of the intangible qualities.
Speaker 3: When you talk to people around the team and you
Speaker 3: talk to like you listen to his teammates talk about him.
Speaker 3: It is how he fits in. Trent Williams Early was
Speaker 3: all on the brock Purty thing, and you talk about
Speaker 3: Kittle and Nick Bosa, all those guys have rallied behind
Speaker 3: him very early. There is a magical quality that he exudes.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because he was mister Irrelevant and he came
Speaker 3: in and quietly just did his work, and he had
Speaker 3: to let his performance speak before he really could speak,
Speaker 3: and he earned the respect of his teammates, which makes
Speaker 3: it easy for the guys to go to work for you.
Speaker 3: And now I'm gonna say this, eighty five percent of
Speaker 3: the league's players are system players. And the trick is
Speaker 3: to make sure that you put players in the right
Speaker 3: system to match their skills. Rock Purdy is in the
Speaker 3: perfect system to match his skills. The way that Kyle
Speaker 3: Shanahan operates the inbreaking routes, the timing, and the execution
Speaker 3: some of those things coming off play a play action,
Speaker 3: rock Purdy has a fearlessness when it comes to letting
Speaker 3: the ball go on time. And because he can do that,
Speaker 3: and because they've surrounded him with catch and run specialists
Speaker 3: in those things. Man, this offense is magical when a
Speaker 3: everyone is healthy and he is able to deal from
Speaker 3: the pocket, I understand why the Niners might value him
Speaker 3: more than people on the outside could value rock Purty.
Speaker 2: All right, So I want to take people inside when
Speaker 2: you're doing a scouting report, and we've talked about the
Speaker 2: different scales, the different grading scills. Well for position specific grades,
Speaker 2: we've used the places I've been. We did three through seven,
Speaker 2: so it was five is average, six above average, seven
Speaker 2: elite you know four below average, three is poor. So
Speaker 2: if we're just gonna use that three to seven scale,
Speaker 2: I want to kind of go through this process with
Speaker 2: you because I want to let's take like elite arm strength,
Speaker 2: elite size, elite athletic ability. We're gonna put those things
Speaker 2: to the side. I'm just gonna give you some key
Speaker 2: quarterback traits. So I'm gonna let you do the grade
Speaker 2: three to seven. You're ready, Yeah. Competitiveness, Oh, he's a
Speaker 2: seven all day. Toughness, Oh, he shows seven qualities. He
Speaker 2: always takes the ball poise. Look, DJ, I've rarely seen
Speaker 2: him rout. I would give him a six or seven
Speaker 2: on that. I'd never see him flustered when he gets fulled.
Speaker 2: He always just bounce back, goes to the next what intelligence?
Speaker 2: Oh seven, So I'm like, you start to see like
Speaker 2: kind of the nucleus of what a of what a
Speaker 2: good quarterback is, and then we can go on to accuracy,
Speaker 2: decision making, you know, like.
Speaker 1: And he has a lot of like when you step
Speaker 1: back at it and you just go, okay, let's strip
Speaker 1: away the fact this guy's not six five athlete wise,
Speaker 1: he's above average athlete. I would say, oh, he can
Speaker 1: move around, he's a five plus, you know, six level athlete.
Speaker 1: But buck are a lot of the key components of
Speaker 1: that position where he is a.
Speaker 3: Seven and so here is where scouting is tricky, I
Speaker 3: would say for us and even for other guys. So
Speaker 3: Red Lewis and I had an opportunity to watch him
Speaker 3: the entire week at the East West Fron. I mean,
Speaker 3: he was fine, he was okay. Him and Ad and
Speaker 3: O'Connell day were going around. We talked to Purty like
Speaker 3: I can't say that, like he popped, and like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's going to be this guy. But I think the
Speaker 3: lesson is there is development that can be had for everybody,
Speaker 3: particularly quarterbacks. When Brock Purty was drafted as mister irrelevant
Speaker 3: last in the draft class, he went to work and
Speaker 3: in going to work, he got better DJ The guy
Speaker 3: that we see today is not the guy that we
Speaker 3: saw at Iowa State. But let's talk about what Iowa
Speaker 3: State did for him. Rock Purdy or year player. I
Speaker 3: think when he ended the league he had forty nine starts.
Speaker 3: When he left Iowa State, he had darned near all
Speaker 3: the records. When it came to passing and those things,
Speaker 3: and what we have seen in this league, experienced players
Speaker 3: experience quarterbacks in particular, they're set up to have success
Speaker 3: more so than the guys that are two and done,
Speaker 3: three and done, two year starter than im out. Rock
Speaker 3: Purty's experience because he played so many games, has so
Speaker 3: many reps to me. I think it translated very very
Speaker 3: well for Kyle Shanahan because as you talked about Kyle
Speaker 3: Shanahan playing the game through him, because he'd been in
Speaker 3: so many situations and scenarios, I just felt like they
Speaker 3: connect on a high level when it comes to here's
Speaker 3: what I want, here's a situation, Here's how you handle
Speaker 3: the situation. Execute. Rock Prudy's time on task as a
Speaker 3: collegiate helped him become a very productive player as a
Speaker 3: pro because he has so much experience coming into the process.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, if you take guys that
Speaker 2: have intelligence, work ethic, and toughness, right like you'd kind
Speaker 2: of have the mental physical toughness. They're intelligent and they're
Speaker 2: great workers. We've seen now a lot of examples of
Speaker 2: guys who've changed things as throwers. I'll go back to
Speaker 2: when we were doing Aaron Rodgers coming out high Caridge
Speaker 2: right up, balls up by your ear. Yeah, he lowered
Speaker 2: the ball, he loosened up, he got a little more loose,
Speaker 2: a little more fluid. Changed. You look at Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen did a lot of that work with
Speaker 2: Jordan Palmer full work wise, he cleaned up a lot
Speaker 2: of the issues that he had. He went from someone
Speaker 2: who was not super.
Speaker 3: Accurate at the collegiate level to someone who's gotten you know,
Speaker 3: to an elite, elite level of accuracy.
Speaker 2: To be honest, Patrick Mahomes, who was screens and crambles, scrambles,
Speaker 2: drifting all over the place. But you know, look at
Speaker 2: how he cleaned up his in the middles rock Perty.
Speaker 4: When I talked to him about his arm strength when
Speaker 4: we were doing this thing with Toyota, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: like I just when I went and watched you, like,
Speaker 4: I didn't think you had a big arm, and you
Speaker 4: know some of my concerns he said, Yeah.
Speaker 2: After the after the season ended, I you know, got
Speaker 2: with quarterback coach and I realized I was too bulked up.
Speaker 2: I was I was gotten a little stiff because I
Speaker 2: had gotten so strong. So he dropped a bunch of weight,
Speaker 2: changed his body type, loosened up, got more life on
Speaker 2: the ball by doing that. So what I'm getting at
Speaker 2: Buck is if you can find the guy who is smart,
Speaker 2: who is competitive, and who is tough, they're going to
Speaker 2: take in like, hey, you need to be better in
Speaker 2: this area. Okay, I can. I can make that adjustment.
Speaker 2: I can change my body, I can change my mechanics.
Speaker 2: Like it's so to me. It's almost like, man, the wiring.
Speaker 2: He's got the wiring. We'll figure the rest of it out.
Speaker 3: DJ. I think I think we've said this. You know,
Speaker 3: we always talk about floors and ceilings. I think the
Speaker 3: best thing for a coach is to know exactly who
Speaker 3: I'm getting every day. What's the floor? Like with Brock Puridy,
Speaker 3: there's a level of consistency that you knew, Okay, Like,
Speaker 3: here's where he is at a minimum. If I know
Speaker 3: that's what he's always going to be every day, this
Speaker 3: is where the coaching comes in. Hey, every day he
Speaker 3: shows up, Brock purity is going to be at this level. Cool.
Speaker 3: My job is to take him at that level. How
Speaker 3: can we build a team, how can we win with him?
Speaker 3: But because he's tough, he's smart, he's competitive. I can
Speaker 3: take that floor, I can take those traits, and I
Speaker 3: can build a winning plan around that. I think it's
Speaker 3: one of those things where we're so quick to want
Speaker 3: the kind of microwave quarterbacks and do it. And I
Speaker 3: would say, brock Purdy jumped in early second. He jumped
Speaker 3: in and he was able to do it. But I
Speaker 3: do think that speaks to the development that's necessary, the
Speaker 3: patience and the discipline that the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 3: ers exhibited while dealing with him. That yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: long process, and I give them credit because the noise
Speaker 3: could have gotten loud because they missed on trade lance.
Speaker 3: But then here comes to the late round pick. Who
Speaker 3: made him right. They ignored the annoys when everyone's saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: you need to go get hit this person and you
Speaker 3: can upgrade this position. And no, he's our quarterback. We
Speaker 3: feel good about what he offers. He's right for us.
Speaker 3: And really the conviction that they showed, that's what we
Speaker 3: all wanted to show when we're scouts.
Speaker 2: I was thinking of this too, like tell me if
Speaker 2: I'm I didn't want your opinion on this, because if
Speaker 2: I tell you, you can have an elite person at just quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: just quarterbacks. So let's go elite makeup, elite person, good
Speaker 2: player or elite talent good person. I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot more players at that position in the NFL who
Speaker 2: are the elite makeup guys with just enough skill, whereas
Speaker 2: I feel like there's been a lot of really talented
Speaker 2: guys who didn't have the makeup that have fallen short.
Speaker 3: That takes sense. I think it always. I think betting
Speaker 3: on the person is what matters. I think betting on
Speaker 3: the person because we've talked about this, I think Steve
Speaker 3: Young use the example that we always go back, not
Speaker 3: over my dead body, if you go get the right person.
Speaker 3: DJ The one thing that I can live with I
Speaker 3: can feel if I feel like the person that I trusted,
Speaker 3: that I gave the ball has done everything in his
Speaker 3: power to give us a chance to win. If he's
Speaker 3: done everything and we're just not good enough, I can
Speaker 3: be okay with it. But what bothers you is when
Speaker 3: someone you know is talented enough to get it done,
Speaker 3: but they lift so they leave stuff on the table
Speaker 3: because they didn't work hard enough to get it done.
Speaker 3: So I'm always gonna bet on they don't give me
Speaker 3: the I don't need the most talented guy. I need
Speaker 3: the guy that has the elite traits and characteristics and
Speaker 3: then work around it. I think that is something that
Speaker 3: when we're looking at the position, man, it's more the
Speaker 3: person than it is the player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you a least give yourself a chance.
Speaker 2: I think if you're not if you're not the right person,
Speaker 2: they're not not the right makeup and all those things.
Speaker 2: You you better be a freak show talent, like the
Speaker 2: talent better be otherworldly and honestly, off the top of
Speaker 2: my head, I can't even I can't even think of like,
Speaker 2: I guess you maybe you around farv Like I have
Speaker 2: to go back and I'm saying we're not a bad guy.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like it was like I don't know
Speaker 2: that Brett Farr was grinding tape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean that's it. I mean Michael
Speaker 3: Vick has acknowledged that he didn't work as hard as
Speaker 3: he needed to work early in his career and then
Speaker 3: he just played on talent. But but DJ, it's few
Speaker 3: and far between the guys that can just roll the
Speaker 3: balls out in a let's go play.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I mean, shoot, I'm about taking
Speaker 2: shots at the guy. But obviously it was a very
Speaker 2: public with Kyler Murray and him not putting in time there.
Speaker 2: But I mean, Kyler Murray's a good enough athlete to
Speaker 2: be a top ten baseball pick, like.
Speaker 3: That's that's but that's exceptional talent. Yes, I mean exceptional
Speaker 3: talent to make up for it. But I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: these are the best ones. Are the ones that it's
Speaker 3: an obsession in terms of being good and being prepared
Speaker 3: and knowing all the other things that you have to know.
Speaker 3: And when we go through the process and we're interviewing
Speaker 3: guys and we're asking them questions and we're giving them
Speaker 3: installs and they're doing this and we're asking them to
Speaker 3: articulate all of the things because I don't even know
Speaker 3: if people truly understand how much the quarterback is tasked with.
Speaker 3: It's not just oh, let me just drop five steps
Speaker 3: and throw it is. I got to manage the front.
Speaker 3: I got to make sure all my guys know exactly
Speaker 3: what they're doing. If I get discoveraged, I got to
Speaker 3: check and everyone has to be on the same page.
Speaker 3: Away from the field, I got to represent the organization
Speaker 3: the right way. I got to be the leader and
Speaker 3: the spokesperson of the team when it comes to hey,
Speaker 3: the team feels this, I need you to go talk
Speaker 3: to the coach. That's a lot of stuff and a
Speaker 3: lot of people that you got to talk to. And
Speaker 3: so it's not only the leadership, the communication, the intelligence,
Speaker 3: it's the work ethic, it's the professionalism, it's all of
Speaker 3: that stuff. That's why that position is so hard to evaluate.
Speaker 3: You have to check off so many boxes in so
Speaker 3: many different areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's just really smart,
Speaker 2: and I think it's a lot easier to make mistakes
Speaker 2: on that side of it. I think the football side
Speaker 2: of it's a little easier. But man, it's you know,
Speaker 2: you get the person right or wrong, it can have
Speaker 2: a huge impact on what that guy is going to be.
Speaker 2: But hey, hats off congrats to Brock Purty. The guy
Speaker 2: was literally the last pick in the NFL draft and
Speaker 2: just made himself into a two hundred and sixty five
Speaker 2: million dollar quarterback. So that's that's commendable to what he's done.
Speaker 2: We've never seen anything even close to that. Undrafted free
Speaker 2: agents is different situation. This is the draft within that
Speaker 2: draft parameters, I will go out and say that there
Speaker 2: will never be another mister irrelevant who will sign a
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty five million dollar contract. I would
Speaker 2: say the odds are heavily in the favor of that statement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, never never seen. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty nuts. Right, take quick break, we come back book.
Speaker 2: I know you've got some gas on what's going on
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. I want to get to that right after this.
Speaker 2: All right, Buck floor is yours. JJ McCarthy talk to me.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, DJ like there's a lot of conversation about
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. Take it over to him. With the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 3: I am an unabashed Minnesota Vikings fan when it comes
Speaker 3: to how they put together their squad. I love the
Speaker 3: brain trust that they have up there. Koc who's a
Speaker 3: friend of the program. Kevin McConnell does a great job
Speaker 3: not only managing the entire operation, but he is a
Speaker 3: quarterback whisper who does a fantastic job of designing plays
Speaker 3: to create opportunities for their playmakers while making the game
Speaker 3: very friendly. Brian Floyd is in their defense, And then
Speaker 3: I think about the person that upgrades that they've added
Speaker 3: this year, defense is much better than it's been in
Speaker 3: the past. So the only question that you have is
Speaker 3: can JJ McCarthy get him up and going. And after
Speaker 3: watching Sam Donald, Sam Donald had thirteen games with a
Speaker 3: passer rating over one hundred. Sam played at a remarkable level.
Speaker 3: And when you go back and look at the quarterbacks
Speaker 3: that have played in Minnesota, first Kirk Cousins, then you
Speaker 3: finished with Sam Donold, they have all said have all
Speaker 3: enjoyed a high level of success under Kevin O'Connell. I
Speaker 3: believe that continues, but I believe it continues in a
Speaker 3: different way with JJ McCarthy. To me, JJ McCarthy is
Speaker 3: more like an Alex Smith type quarterback, meaning he's talented enough,
Speaker 3: he's athletic enough to do a bunch of different things,
Speaker 3: but he also understands how to play winning ball based
Speaker 3: on what he did at Michigan. I think Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 3: early is not going to give him all of that
Speaker 3: and expect him to go win the game. I think
Speaker 3: he's going to set the other guys to do it.
Speaker 3: So if we talk about in our vernacular, he's going
Speaker 3: to be a high end trailer. If he operates like
Speaker 3: a high end trailer for the Minnesota Vikings where he
Speaker 3: lets the rest of the team carry him. The Minnesota
Speaker 3: Vikings can win a ton of games, and then as
Speaker 3: he gets comfortable, maybe he shows some of the playmaking
Speaker 3: ability at the end of his second year. I'm just
Speaker 3: bullished at the combination of j. J. McCarthy's talent and
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell's play designs and overall management skills are going
Speaker 3: to allow JJ McCarthy to be successful in his first
Speaker 3: year is bro.
Speaker 2: I want to get to that. And my reaction to that,
Speaker 2: But quick, did you see JJ at the sideline sitting
Speaker 2: courtside with.
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson Jefferson?
Speaker 2: Did you see that jeff Steph Curry came up and
Speaker 2: loved up Justin Jefferson, and I think he just thought
Speaker 2: that was his buddy, that was the starting quarterback for
Speaker 2: the Minnesota But I didn't even look at him. It's
Speaker 2: like like JJ was kind of looking up at him.
Speaker 2: It's like like there's a couple of people that came
Speaker 2: over there too and tapped him up, and then like
Speaker 2: it was kind of like the lock eyes with with
Speaker 2: Jefferson handshake conversation and like the like then JJ McCarthy
Speaker 2: sticks his hand out and they're kind of like.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I mean he looks, he looks, he looks
Speaker 3: so young and such in every man when it comes
Speaker 3: to it. But DJ, I think that might work in
Speaker 3: his favor. I just feel like from an ego standpoint one,
Speaker 3: being a four or five star guy going to Michigan
Speaker 3: knowing that you're not going to throw it all over
Speaker 3: the yard, knowing that the only thing that matters for
Speaker 3: Jim Harbor you obviously have seen Harvor operate, the only
Speaker 3: thing that matters as a school board, I want to win.
Speaker 3: I'm not about setting records and stats and all that.
Speaker 3: I think that serves in Will going into Minnesota, where
Speaker 3: the only thing that matters is to duve, I think
Speaker 3: he can put his ego in check to make sure
Speaker 3: that I'm just going to do the things that are
Speaker 3: conducing to win.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see. If you look at Minnesota and
Speaker 2: who they have to get through, it's the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2: To me, I think Minnesota roster wise in really good shape.
Speaker 2: And I would say if Jared Goff, let's say Jared Goff,
Speaker 2: like one hundred percent of Jared Golf, what percentage of
Speaker 2: Jared Goff. Does JJ McCarthy have to get to for
Speaker 2: them to be able to beat Detroit. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's I don't think he has to be I think
Speaker 2: they could get the Troit without him being level, which.
Speaker 3: I think he can play. I think he can play
Speaker 3: at a B plus level provided that he doesn't turn
Speaker 3: it over.
Speaker 2: So eighty five percent, like eighty eight percent of Jared
Speaker 2: go get it done for them.
Speaker 3: I think I think he can do that. But look,
Speaker 3: they're so good on the perimeter with the Addison Jefferson, Hopkinson,
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, upgraded offensive line. I mean he doesn't have to.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he doesn't have to do much, but
Speaker 3: hey man, let's keep it simple. Get the ball to
Speaker 3: the playmakers and let them go to work. If he
Speaker 3: does that, they could operate because we know their defense
Speaker 3: is going to get a bunch of splash plays. Sachs
Speaker 3: internal was just the way that they play. They're going
Speaker 3: to create easy scoring opportunities for them. It doesn't matter
Speaker 3: him just cashing it in when he gets no chances.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think back to when I was in Baltimore
Speaker 2: young and we were in the office. We would always
Speaker 2: do an off season project where we would rank all
Speaker 2: the rosters, but then we would rank the groups. So
Speaker 2: you would go by every team in the league and
Speaker 2: say this was, you know, an A level offensive line,
Speaker 2: say A through F, and you kind of went through
Speaker 2: and you start stacking it up, and then you started
Speaker 2: really kind of seeing like, okay, man, if we've got
Speaker 2: three A level B lines in our division and we've
Speaker 2: got a C level offensive line, like that ain't good?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Like you, you know what I mean? Like you kind
Speaker 2: of like what you needed to compete. And I think
Speaker 2: if you're Minnesota, that's who you're chasing is Detroit. So
Speaker 2: it's like kind of how do we stack up? And
Speaker 2: we stack up really well in a lot of other areas.
Speaker 2: The great unknown is just the quarterback. So I don't
Speaker 2: think he has to be an elite player. I think
Speaker 2: he has to be a really good player. So I
Speaker 2: think we've stumbled on something we needed. Eighty seven eighty
Speaker 2: eight percent Jared Goff is what we need out of.
Speaker 3: J check and that's one and good enough. Man, that's
Speaker 3: more enough to be able to get it get it done.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it will be how do
Speaker 3: they get him ready to play the opener. How much
Speaker 3: time do you give him in preseason because he has
Speaker 3: seen a lot of live action. You know, he got
Speaker 3: hurt in the preseason last year. How do they go
Speaker 3: about that process of getting ready. I'm sure they'll have
Speaker 3: some joint practices. They'll try and get some of that
Speaker 3: done because of his control of the environment, but he
Speaker 3: needs to see that game speed so he can quick
Speaker 3: in his clock and get used to playing at an NFL.
Speaker 2: Level, no doubt. One last thing I want to get
Speaker 2: to before we get out of here, because I don't
Speaker 2: know if you watched any of golf, but Scott a Scheffer,
Speaker 2: just chef that just won the PGA Tour, and I
Speaker 2: kind of read about him, and I followed golf loosely,
Speaker 2: but I'm fascinated by him. I've seen some of the
Speaker 2: stuff he's been and I've seen interviews. I started reading
Speaker 2: about him a little bit and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: the common theme that everybody has about this guy is
Speaker 2: low heartbeat, like big moments, low heartbeat. So I started thinking, like,
Speaker 2: to me, with Joe Montana is like the ultimate ultimate
Speaker 2: low heartbeat. Even Tom Brady maybe the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2: I don't I wouldn't necessarily always classify. I think the
Speaker 2: emotional impassionate, like just everything in check. Like emotionally, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think it was anybody else I'm missing, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously Joe Montana was a long time ago. Who's a
Speaker 2: recent version of someone just as calm in those big
Speaker 2: moments as you could think.
Speaker 3: Of, did you. I feel like Pat Mahomes is calm
Speaker 3: in those moments, even though he's game has.
Speaker 2: Some there's a frenetic pace. But I think you're right
Speaker 2: that moms never.
Speaker 3: And I feel like in the playoffs he plays differently
Speaker 3: than he plays in the regular season. Like we have
Speaker 3: seen the script, Pat Mahomes is gonna run in the
Speaker 3: playoffs when it's third and seven and you go to
Speaker 3: man and you leave it open. He's gonna scramble when
Speaker 3: they need him to orchestrate a drive at the end
Speaker 3: of the game. He does it time and time again.
Speaker 3: To me, he has that. I think Joe Burrow also
Speaker 3: has that, Like they don't they're not. And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say this, I don't know if I want my quarterback
Speaker 3: overly emotional, because it's such a cerebral position that you
Speaker 3: not that you're like no emotion at all. But you
Speaker 3: talk about that low heartbeat. In those competitive moments, you
Speaker 3: have to be able to think and process and make
Speaker 3: good decisions. And to me, it's really hard to make
Speaker 3: great decisions if you're overly emotional about the outcome that
Speaker 3: as the result of whatever you choose to do.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I think you're right. I think Mahomes is
Speaker 2: the right answer there. And it is like there can
Speaker 2: be some crazy in the middle early portion of the game.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've seen it up close so many
Speaker 2: times when it is money down, when it is fourth down,
Speaker 2: third downs, key downs laden games, he's able to just
Speaker 2: see it slowed, the game slows down. I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: this for my little eight yard run here to convert this,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my little I can put a bunch
Speaker 2: of air under this because I got a guy in
Speaker 2: a trail position like he makes the right decision, the
Speaker 2: right throw, the right run and our darner every single time.
Speaker 3: And the reason why I'll say I'll see him. But
Speaker 3: I also say Joe Burrow because I think it also
Speaker 3: extends beyond the game. It is in the midst of
Speaker 3: a bad season, it's in the midst of a two
Speaker 3: or three game losing streak. How does that guy come
Speaker 3: out the next game because all of a sudden he
Speaker 3: had abandoned the things that they've done and go on
Speaker 3: his own and go rogue and try to make all
Speaker 3: the plays by himself. Or does he put it on
Speaker 3: himself that, hey, look, we got to execute better. That
Speaker 3: means I have to be better. And me being better
Speaker 3: isn't me making more hero throws, but it's hey, maybe
Speaker 3: I need to sit back and go back to doing
Speaker 3: the basics. Let me take the check down, let me
Speaker 3: take the little thing, let me get back to connecting
Speaker 3: the dots and then the big plays that happened to me.
Speaker 3: When we talk about low heartbeat, it's also a confidence,
Speaker 3: a composure, a poise that is needed to be able
Speaker 3: to bring the team back. And to that point, I
Speaker 3: kind of want to include Matthew Stafford in there only because, man,
Speaker 3: we've seen the rams the last two years DJ. They
Speaker 3: have not started out well, but they kind of figured out.
Speaker 3: He gets them together or whatever. And then when we
Speaker 3: saw him in the super Bowl, biggest moment, he handled DJ.
Speaker 3: He threw a no look. He threw a no look
Speaker 3: past I mean a no look dime in a critical
Speaker 3: moment to help this team win the Super Bowl. He
Speaker 3: certainly exhibits some of that.
Speaker 2: They were talking about Scheffler in that tournament and they said,
Speaker 2: I think there were I don't know what the holes were,
Speaker 2: fourteen fifty something like that, but they were the gettable holes,
Speaker 2: like they're the holes you can score on. And it's
Speaker 2: like everybody else in the tournament, like it was a
Speaker 2: birdie here or there, but just kind of like just
Speaker 2: what they said, he was like birdies and eagles, like
Speaker 2: he he cashed those in. And I was thinking about
Speaker 2: it from a football standpoint of and maybe you have
Speaker 2: a recollection to this on you know, having played versus
Speaker 2: having you know, spent your time upstairs, but you haven't
Speaker 2: a game plan. There's two shots, like we get these,
Speaker 2: we get this. Look, we have this play call. In
Speaker 2: a game of sixty plays, we have two times they're
Speaker 2: gonna give us what we want and we're going to
Speaker 2: call this play. We have got to capitalize when we
Speaker 2: get those moments. And I thought that was how he
Speaker 2: won the golf tournament the way they were describing it, right,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know a lot about golf, but it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: those are the getable holes. He got them every single round.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about games like, I'm sure you've
Speaker 2: been on teams like, man, we schemed this up all week.
Speaker 2: We got to look in freck We just we didn't
Speaker 2: get it. We didn't cash it in.
Speaker 3: Did just one of the biggest frustrations that I think
Speaker 3: coaches have because you don't get to look twice. Always
Speaker 3: felt like this, and this is like Tom Brady, the
Speaker 3: one thing that we always could talk about Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: Tom Brady always cast a lottery ticket like you, if
Speaker 3: you mess it up and you give him the lottery ticket,
Speaker 3: where's powerball? And he can go get it? Ding ding ding.
Speaker 3: He's always going to get it. And the great quarterbacks
Speaker 3: they make you pay for your mistakes. And whether that's
Speaker 3: the low heartbeat, the composure, or just the moment, the
Speaker 3: great ones make you pay every time you mess up.
Speaker 3: And that's what separates the good from the elites.
Speaker 2: I just was thinking about thinking about the way they
Speaker 2: describe that. The first name that pop into my head
Speaker 2: was Super Bowl Jimmy Garoppolo. Was it Emmanuel Sanders?
Speaker 3: Is that who it was? Yes?
Speaker 2: Like that has to keep Kyle Shanahan up at night,
Speaker 2: like you can dream, you dream for that look and.
Speaker 3: Look we all have like friends in that building. And
Speaker 3: that was some of the frustration that Kyle Shanahan had,
Speaker 3: you know, like as a guy who is like an
Speaker 3: obsessed and obsessive play designer, he would go crazy like
Speaker 3: these guys would be wide open and all you got
Speaker 3: to do is cash, I mean cashing in. Like think
Speaker 3: about the amount of times dead Lane Kiffin has drawn
Speaker 3: up winners where like they showed a look and before
Speaker 3: the ball is even like the arms are up. That's
Speaker 3: what those guys know. And so they want someone who
Speaker 3: can cash the ticket. And it is maybe we don't
Speaker 3: talk about enough when it comes to quarterback play, but
Speaker 3: that that's really what it is is can you can
Speaker 3: you make the layup? Can you make the lip? When
Speaker 3: the lab is there? Wide open lane? Put the ball
Speaker 3: off the square?
Speaker 2: Yep. By the way, as we're wrapping this thing up,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've had this before, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to go get this place for lunch ahead At
Speaker 2: the other day, they now I guess they have these
Speaker 2: like you know, it started with Subway. It was like
Speaker 2: kind of you build your own sandwich because people don't.
Speaker 2: People aren't old like us, don't know. You just have
Speaker 2: to go to a store and get a sandwich. Like
Speaker 2: you say, what goes on a sandwich? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, you didn't get the subway.
Speaker 2: That led to like Chipotle. Okay, we're going to do
Speaker 2: the same thing, but with Mexican. Yeah. Then it was
Speaker 2: like all the pizza place places like Blaze people whatever
Speaker 2: we can. Now you can do your build your java.
Speaker 2: We got medice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh DUDEU there's a Pokey place here. You get a
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Speaker 2: Look at you, I mean, I'm just I'm like, why
Speaker 2: didn't I think of this? This is this is going
Speaker 2: to change the world. It's gonna change the world. What's next?
Speaker 2: Is there any other kind of food? Like obviously like
Speaker 2: you can get Asian food like they've been doing that for.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what you can build your own anymore.
Speaker 2: I think we've done it all. I think Pokey is.
Speaker 3: The last one.
Speaker 2: I think that's it. That's it. Well, that's wrong with one.
Speaker 2: I'm hungry. I'm gonna go eat. I appreciate you guys,
Speaker 2: hang with us. We'll see you next. Time right here
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