Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it's Lyle. How's it going. Before we start
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Speaker 2: Hello, Oh my god, it's the Gecko.
Speaker 1: What's up? Man? What's your name?
Speaker 2: My name is Riley, Riley?
Speaker 1: What's going on Riley's life?
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's ever changing.
Speaker 1: It is ever changing. It is ever changing as much
Speaker 1: as ever.
Speaker 2: But but it's good. It's like really good. I would
Speaker 2: I would say it's good. Yeah, it's ever like super
Speaker 2: really good. But like right now, it's good.
Speaker 1: So what is it that you wanted to talk about today?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Like, uh, I don't know. A
Speaker 2: long time listener of the show, a big fan. I've
Speaker 2: been dealing with a lot of existentialism over the past
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, which has been like interesting because like
Speaker 2: I'm I'm twenty eight. My ten year high school reunions
Speaker 2: this year. I'm currently starting school over going to paramedic school,
Speaker 2: which is like, I don't know, it's weird because like
Speaker 2: ten years ago that I that was my goal to
Speaker 2: start ten years ago, and now I'm doing it now.
Speaker 2: And then also I like look at people who also
Speaker 2: graduated school like ten years ago and like where they're
Speaker 2: at in life, and I cannot like jealous or like
Speaker 2: feel bad about where I'm at in life. It just
Speaker 2: is just it's just weird. You know. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know what's funny. I had a dude, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I saw some like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I saw it, but I was
Speaker 1: like looking at the linked in profile of this kid
Speaker 1: that I had art class with when I was in
Speaker 1: middle school, and he and I would like draw dicks
Speaker 1: on the textbooks together, you know, and we would like
Speaker 1: there was I think there was this girl that we
Speaker 1: both liked and we were just trying to like get
Speaker 1: a rise out of her by drawing dicks on the
Speaker 1: on the textbooks and stuff and fright, and he was
Speaker 1: just like a silly kid, right, And I was looking
Speaker 1: as LinkedIn and he's like a fucking real estate agent guy, now,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was looking at him and he
Speaker 1: has any of these looks like a real guy. He's
Speaker 1: got a suit, you know, he's like and all and
Speaker 1: the essence of like just us drawing those dicks on
Speaker 1: the textbooks, It's like, gone, it's like that guy is
Speaker 1: you know, where is he? Where'd he go? It just
Speaker 1: gave me a weird feeling. Yeah, it gave me. It
Speaker 1: gave me a weird feeling. Is that is that sort
Speaker 1: of the feeling you're getting where you're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: jealous of these people. It's just interesting seeing where everyone everyone,
Speaker 1: everyone wound up in a place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I know I think that's I think
Speaker 2: I think I'm finally at the age where I'm like
Speaker 2: realizing that I'm not like a young adult anymore and
Speaker 2: I'm more of an adult. Like there's like there's a
Speaker 2: there's a definite like change of when you go from
Speaker 2: like you move out and you're figuring it out and
Speaker 2: then like and then all of a sudden, you're just
Speaker 2: that's your life. And I feel like I'm at that
Speaker 2: point too. I think part of that too, is I've
Speaker 2: recently gotten sober. Oh, and I've had like a lot
Speaker 2: of like self reflection on that.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: Like, it's it's cool, it's cool to be sober. I
Speaker 2: was a drinker and now I'm not. And I haven't
Speaker 2: really done it like in like other stuff I do,
Speaker 2: like trooms and weeds, but I don't like getting stoned
Speaker 2: like not, I don't get anxiety or I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's not as cool as it was when I was
Speaker 2: in high school. I think, like fucking weed is like
Speaker 2: I get bored easily, or I just like don't enjoy it.
Speaker 2: So I just yeah, it's been like sober for as
Speaker 2: long as I've been sober, since I was like eighteen.
Speaker 1: So what inspired you to What inspired you to get sober?
Speaker 1: My wife, that's why you feel like an adult. You
Speaker 1: have a you have a wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah that but yeah, I mean, I mean I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I never really had a drinking problem per se.
Speaker 2: Then like two years ago my uncle died and I
Speaker 2: just kind of set me off the deep end when
Speaker 2: I just progressively got worse and worse and worse, and
Speaker 2: it was like it took a huge toll on my
Speaker 2: mental health and that took a huge toll on my
Speaker 2: wife's mental health, and so that was like step number
Speaker 2: one was just like you know, trying to be happy
Speaker 2: in my life and my marriage and getting sober was
Speaker 2: the way to do that. And I don't regret it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like constantly every day is cool. And I
Speaker 2: was listening to a podcast the other day, the bomb
Speaker 2: Hole podcast, the snowboarding podcast, and the host of it
Speaker 2: got sober and his like his talks and sobriety kind
Speaker 2: of is what like started spinning, like spending the gears
Speaker 2: in my brain without getting sober because he would talk
Speaker 2: about it and it was very it hit close to home,
Speaker 2: like like when he was drinking and like when he
Speaker 2: was doing drugs. Yeah, and so getting sober is been
Speaker 2: really good. I had. I did have to relearn how
Speaker 2: to snowboard and mountain bike though, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: How did you have to Why did you have to
Speaker 1: relearn how to do it? Did you only know how
Speaker 1: to do it when you were drunk?
Speaker 2: No? No, I wasn't. Like it's just it's different, like
Speaker 2: because like like because mountain biking is like it's a
Speaker 2: very social part of like drinking is a very like
Speaker 2: heavy part of it, like not like a bad way,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of like we're gonna go for
Speaker 2: a mountain bike ride and then we're gonna go go
Speaker 2: to a brewery and listen and like and drink beer.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to a rest, go to the happy
Speaker 2: hour afterwards, and you know, or you'd have a beer beforehand.
Speaker 2: So it was just kind of like a tool to
Speaker 2: get ready to drink beer. H and so then like
Speaker 2: I'd finished a mountain bike ride or a road ride
Speaker 2: and be like, okay, now what I do. I'm not
Speaker 2: getting deer and then snowboarding and then snowboarding like you'd
Speaker 2: start the day sober and then I progressively drink more
Speaker 2: throughout the day, trying to find the threshold of like
Speaker 2: where I'm the best at the sport and so like that,
Speaker 2: like you got looser and the confidence was a lot more.
Speaker 2: So this is like my first year snowboarding sober, and
Speaker 2: it was it was like a lot different because it
Speaker 2: felt a lot more linear, like snowboarding throughout the day
Speaker 2: of like you know, I you know, wake you know,
Speaker 2: warm up, take a drink, have a beer, have a
Speaker 2: shoot or whatever, do another lap, like kind of past
Speaker 2: yourself off that, whereas without drinking, you're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just gotta just kind of stay in that headspace
Speaker 2: all day because it kind of like it was like
Speaker 2: a cheat code. You drink and then you go and
Speaker 2: then you just be like where you want it to
Speaker 2: be performance wise. Snowboarding. Mmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like you had to relearn it in
Speaker 1: the sense that it's for you in activity that is
Speaker 1: deeply tied to drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, is that like those activities are deeply
Speaker 2: tied to drinking and not that I couldn't do them
Speaker 2: without drinking. It's just it's learning how to do them
Speaker 2: and not it's like unpavlopping yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally totally. I'm trying to think what I
Speaker 1: have that way. I mean I have that with uh,
Speaker 1: I have that with smoking weed and everything. Uh not
Speaker 1: Like I mean a lot of people have that right
Speaker 1: where they're like, Oh, I'm gonna go to the grocery store,
Speaker 1: let me smoke weed beforehand. Oh cool, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: see them this movie. Let me get blasted beforehand. I've
Speaker 1: had periods of time in my life where I was like,
Speaker 1: anytime I'm not working, I'm high, you know. Like it
Speaker 1: was just yeah, it's like yeah, dude. And also I
Speaker 1: feel that with dude, all all of my fucking like
Speaker 1: addictions and ship, I feel that way about Like.
Speaker 2: That was me with like beer, like like last year.
Speaker 2: Last year, I'd be like, oh, my wife would be
Speaker 2: at work and I'd be done for the day and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, I want to watch Edie time.
Speaker 2: I need to watch with a six pack.
Speaker 1: Right right right? Yeah you got Yeah, it's true. You
Speaker 1: got to Unpavla of yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got unpavlov myself, which is like it was.
Speaker 2: It's been cool. It's seven months as of tomorrow tomorrow
Speaker 2: is seven months sober, and that's like, uh and that's
Speaker 2: a that's a cool a cool feat And I met
Speaker 2: I met one of my heroes snowboarding who's also sober
Speaker 2: at him at five months and he told me that
Speaker 2: was the hardest, the hardest time. And it feels like
Speaker 2: it's gotten easier every day and then I could take
Speaker 2: away and have on the variety too. Is like being
Speaker 2: sober isn't what's hard? Like staying fucked up all day
Speaker 2: is hard, Like financially and like mentally of well, where's
Speaker 2: the money going? To go to buy a bottle of tequila?
Speaker 2: Where's the money coming from to buy you know, a
Speaker 2: six pack of night to watch Adventure Time? And like,
Speaker 2: or how do I how do I stay fucked up
Speaker 2: and people not realize I'm fucked up? Oh?
Speaker 1: The Yeah, the being fucked up is the hard part.
Speaker 1: And the staying that's a that's a fac that's a
Speaker 1: fascinating reframing. That's a fascinating reframing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like it is hard to get sober,
Speaker 2: like that is true, but it is easier to stay
Speaker 2: sober than it is to stay fucked up.
Speaker 1: Dude. You know what, Dude, give me some fucking therapy,
Speaker 1: because I'm at a point I'm at a point right
Speaker 1: now where I'm like, I'm so i feel like I'm
Speaker 1: in a crazy the feedback loop of my addictions that
Speaker 1: I can't escape from. Like you know, you know how
Speaker 1: it is what you're like, every every day you go, yeah,
Speaker 1: every day, every day you go, today's a day, and
Speaker 1: then every night you go, Tomorrow's the day, and it's
Speaker 1: just just and then it dude, it's the existential shit.
Speaker 1: If you're just like, well fuck it, every fucking day
Speaker 1: is fucking today. You know, it's just it's so hard.
Speaker 1: I don't even how to like get like I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to get out of that like kind
Speaker 1: of rat race of it.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh no, because I've been there too before,
Speaker 2: because I like I like danced around the idea of sobriety,
Speaker 2: and like I kind of like grew up around sobriety too,
Speaker 2: because my parents both met an A and so like
Speaker 2: my entire life was like I'm gonna be better than
Speaker 2: my parents. I'm never going to be an addict, and
Speaker 2: then here here I am in the same boat. But
Speaker 2: it's like I don't know, it's like hard, It's like
Speaker 2: a hard thing. I would do the same thing of
Speaker 2: like Okay, I'm done, I've done drinking, Like this is
Speaker 2: gonna be my last drink. And then I go to
Speaker 2: work and I hated my job or I was just
Speaker 2: overwhelmed by like existing, and I was like, you know what, tomorrow,
Speaker 2: tomorrow is a better day to quit drinking. And then
Speaker 2: like tomorrow never came for like three years, yeah, and
Speaker 2: then like one day it finally it clicked. And for me,
Speaker 2: it kind of like took getting closer to a rock bottom.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to say, like, I think it's
Speaker 2: disingenuine to say the only way to get sober is
Speaker 2: to be at a rock bottom. And I think it
Speaker 2: really depends on like the type of person you are,
Speaker 2: Like for me, it took getting close to rock bottom
Speaker 2: to get sober, but for other people, like other ways
Speaker 2: to like frame it too, is like for your health right,
Speaker 2: Like it's like, well, I don't want to feel like
Speaker 2: shit anymore, and like the moment I stopped doing this,
Speaker 2: I can, uh sorry, I can stop feeling a little
Speaker 2: less shitty. And then another thing too, is like finding
Speaker 2: something to replace it, like healthily. Yeah, like uh, I
Speaker 2: want Like when I first quit drinking, I really just
Speaker 2: wanted to drink, So anytime I would drink, I would
Speaker 2: I'd go on a mountain bike ride or I'd go
Speaker 2: on a road ride. And I kind of helped too,
Speaker 2: like I was like, well, ah, but well, I can't
Speaker 2: sit at home. I'm too tempted. I can't go out
Speaker 2: so too tempted. So then they go do something I enjoy.
Speaker 2: And I've known people who like they uh, decide to
Speaker 2: quit something and they need to keep their hands busy,
Speaker 2: so they got like a small craft going like I
Speaker 2: know someone who started knitting because they wanted to get sober.
Speaker 2: M hm uh, and so like that's that's something that
Speaker 2: like I've looked into as well, Like it never worked
Speaker 2: for me because I have ADHD and I just get
Speaker 2: distracted by all the small little projects, right, I can't
Speaker 2: like have like a craft's hobby like knitting or sewing
Speaker 2: or making something just because I get so like, well,
Speaker 2: I can do it bigger and better and do this
Speaker 2: thing next, and I like lose all the all the
Speaker 2: steam for it because something else caught my eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to be Uh, it's hard to do
Speaker 1: several things when you got this young ADHD.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but yeah, that's where I'm at, like seven
Speaker 2: months sober in paramedic school, which is like I'm really
Speaker 2: excited for congrats men, and uh yeah, just living in
Speaker 2: southwest Colorado and like the worst year to live in
Speaker 2: southwest Colorado.
Speaker 1: Why is it the worst year to live in southwest Colorado?
Speaker 2: Oh? We had a terrible snow path. Like I'm so
Speaker 2: afraid of everything around us catching on fire. We had
Speaker 2: like one like when I first moved here in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: like we had snow on the ground from October to
Speaker 2: till April. This winter, we didn't have snow on the
Speaker 2: ground until I got back from a job in California,
Speaker 2: and then we had snow on the ground for like
Speaker 2: into in duran in Duringo Colorado, where I lived like
Speaker 2: maybe two weeks maybe, and that was in like February,
Speaker 2: and then like a little bit in March, and then
Speaker 2: come April, like everything in town was dry. We could,
Speaker 2: we could. There's really no point in the year. If
Speaker 2: stott on Viking it was like really bad. But we
Speaker 2: already hit peak river flow for the year, like two
Speaker 2: weeks to go, so the river's not gonna get any
Speaker 2: high unless we get rain. So this is not a
Speaker 2: that it's bad weather. You're living south with Colorado.
Speaker 1: Well, I should say, you sound like you know a
Speaker 1: lot about the weather, and I respect that.
Speaker 2: I I mean when you like when like I love snowboarding,
Speaker 2: I got maybe forty days this year and sixty days
Speaker 2: last year, like last season. And so when you're like
Speaker 2: looking at how the how that snowfall for like affects
Speaker 2: your like how the weather affects your like one of
Speaker 2: your favorite sports. When your entire sport is like weather depended,
Speaker 2: you got you kind of gotta and it's.
Speaker 1: Like, how does.
Speaker 2: How's that?
Speaker 1: How's that guys Sean White doing? I bought a I
Speaker 1: played his Wii game that you know back in the
Speaker 1: days on textbooks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I remember that game. Now. Sean White's like
Speaker 2: a cool guy in the space. Uh. He's doing a
Speaker 2: lot and a little for the snowboarding community at the
Speaker 2: time right now. Like he no, he doesn't have an NFT,
Speaker 2: but he he started his own snowboard apparel and snowboard brand,
Speaker 2: and then he sponsors like a little dude who lives
Speaker 2: in Tell Your Ride. He's like absolute ripper, like some
Speaker 2: ten year old kid who's like better a snowbere than
Speaker 2: I'll ever be. And then he started a competition called
Speaker 2: the snow League, which is pretty cool. It's like another
Speaker 2: another contest space for half type snowboarders, which is good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like he's finally getting getting back in there and
Speaker 2: like helping help him advance the snowboard community.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, man, I've never snowboarded before because I no, no,
Speaker 1: I like, I don't like the fact that your feet
Speaker 1: are clamped to the board, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I like, I like, I like, I like this freedom
Speaker 1: of skateboarding. I'm always afraid I'm gonna like like, like
Speaker 1: I like skateboarding. It feels like anytime you're on the skateboard,
Speaker 1: you can go back to you the option to walk
Speaker 1: is right there, you know what I mean. There's nothing
Speaker 1: between you and changing your method of travel from skateboarding
Speaker 1: to walking. But with the snowboard, it's like your ass
Speaker 1: is snowboarding, and if you want to change from snowboarding
Speaker 1: to walking, there was a there's a procedure, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't like having a procedure between me and walking.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's super fair. And I kind of like
Speaker 2: I have like the opposite when I skateboard. Every time
Speaker 2: I go skateboarding, I get like super frustrated because I'll
Speaker 2: be trying to drop into a bowl and it's no
Speaker 2: near a step or as deep as a half pipe
Speaker 2: like the local half pipe at our local ski resort.
Speaker 2: And I'll do that all the time, do that, go
Speaker 2: and switch going regular But on a on a skateboard,
Speaker 2: I just sometimes a mental I can't and I like
Speaker 2: be thinking like it'd be so much better if my
Speaker 2: feet were just strapped to the thing right now.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, sometimes when I'm working at my desk,
Speaker 1: my ADHD makes me want to go, you know, leave
Speaker 1: the room and get a snack or get high or
Speaker 1: you know, do whatever. And it would be easier if
Speaker 1: my feet were strapped to the ground. That's how I
Speaker 1: feel about those things. And the most things in life
Speaker 1: would be easier to do if you had your feet
Speaker 1: strapped to them. What's your name again?
Speaker 2: My name is Riley?
Speaker 1: Riley, right, that's about By the way, that's such a
Speaker 1: name of a skateboard of a snowboarding guy. Riley.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Riley of the Year, Riley.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 2: No, that's it. Thanks for thanks for answering, of.
Speaker 1: Course, thank you, Riley.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Good luck with your continued sobriety. You've inspired me. Maybe
Speaker 1: tomorrow I'll stop eating cosmic brownies for breakfast every day.
Speaker 2: That's those are so good, I understand.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with That's the problem with food addiction
Speaker 1: is it's so funny. It's like hilleous, like I'm being
Speaker 1: serious and it's so funny.
Speaker 2: No. I know I'm there too, because I have, like,
Speaker 2: since since quitting drinking, I've treated the want for alcohol
Speaker 2: to like sugar.
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is is like we're also
Speaker 1: like conditioned, like the like when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I would have the hot fudge Sunday pop tarts and
Speaker 1: we're like we've been we've been conditioned to believe that,
Speaker 1: like that's a breakfast.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I yeah, I that that happened to me.
Speaker 4: I was like, I need, I need a better breakfast.
Speaker 4: I'm tired of oatmeal and I want something.
Speaker 2: Healthy pop tarts. Pop charts are healthy.
Speaker 1: They're not they're not at all. They're terrible for you,
Speaker 1: but they're so good. Thanks rather, I'll see around the universe.
Speaker 2: Man, all right, thank you Jack.
Speaker 1: That was Riley, right, is a good fucking guy.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: I love one of the things I like about this podcast. Man,
Speaker 1: just meet a guy like Riley and you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: there's just a chill ass dude in the world somewhere.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. How much Sunday ones are good. The
Speaker 1: rug Rats Go Wild had a wild strawberry pop tart
Speaker 1: with the characters on them back in two thousand and something. Someone,
Speaker 1: how do we get those? How do I get my?
Speaker 1: I want someone get how do I get my hands
Speaker 1: on a box of two thousand and four rug Rats
Speaker 1: Go Wild movie promotional pop tarts. Someone let me know
Speaker 1: if they have leads on that.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, is this therapy got go?
Speaker 1: Yes? Hi? Who is this?
Speaker 5: Bro? You can call me.
Speaker 6: Jerry?
Speaker 1: Jerry? Oh my god, you texted me and you said,
Speaker 1: what the hell has been going on with the podcast?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, So you've been getting a lot of like
Speaker 6: weird calls on the podcast, like like weirder than normal
Speaker 6: and not like not like weird and like oh some
Speaker 6: and has this like long, like strange story to tell
Speaker 6: you know, it's kind of more so like it's just
Speaker 6: like unexpected shit has been happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, And.
Speaker 6: Yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. This podcast has been going
Speaker 1: for six years. There is nothing I can't I can't
Speaker 1: even kind of think of what you're talking about that
Speaker 1: is different than what it normally is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I guess my like examples would be, like, okay,
Speaker 6: like the Jose Guy that was weird, right, everyone thought
Speaker 6: that was like kind of obscure and everybody had different
Speaker 6: opinions about it. But I think it's so different.
Speaker 2: It's so.
Speaker 1: Ever, dude, why did that jose call cause such a stir?
Speaker 1: It's so funny to me, it.
Speaker 2: Was like, well, I think.
Speaker 6: I think it's because you put him on the two minute.
Speaker 2: Hold, right, like okay.
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people were kind of just
Speaker 6: like what the hell, because I know, personally, like I've
Speaker 6: been listening to for like pretty much since like the pandemic,
Speaker 6: and I think it was just like something that like, personally,
Speaker 6: I was taken back by and I think some people
Speaker 6: would probably agree with, like, oh my god, ly'll just
Speaker 6: put this guy on a week on timeout and like.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a timeout, it was just a too it
Speaker 1: was it. It was okay, I was trying. Here's the
Speaker 1: why I had him sitting at two minute signs with
Speaker 1: us is because he was coming into this phone call
Speaker 1: with a certain way that he wanted to be, or
Speaker 1: a certain way he wanted it to go, and he
Speaker 1: was clinging so deeply to that idea that I he
Speaker 1: wasn't letting me have a conversation with him. However, he
Speaker 1: was in that moment, and so I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm and I was I was like, I don't, I
Speaker 1: are on my end. I will refuse to cling to
Speaker 1: the idea that a podcast should even be, that this
Speaker 1: conversation should be I'm gonna refuse to cling to the
Speaker 1: idea that this conversation should be anything, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sit in two minutes of silence. And so once those
Speaker 1: two minutes of silence happened, it was like all bets
Speaker 1: are off as to what this conversation should or shouldn't
Speaker 1: or could or couldn't be. That's why I was trying
Speaker 1: to illustrate.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean like I understood that part too, because
Speaker 6: like it was just it was kind of a wacky
Speaker 6: phone call, you know, Like obviously I've been listening for
Speaker 6: a long time. I've heard some like crazy phone calls,
Speaker 6: but that one was just kind of like whoa, Like,
Speaker 6: what the hell is even happening? And like I think
Speaker 6: every other second, like me and my partner are listening
Speaker 6: to it, and we like we were just like jaw
Speaker 6: dropped like every other second because like we didn't know
Speaker 6: what we were expecting. And I don't think, like, like
Speaker 6: you said, there is not like uh direction necessarily, but
Speaker 6: like we were both just like what the hell is
Speaker 6: even going on right now?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: I have this thought I have this thing of you know,
Speaker 1: you go ahead, if you have more to say, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to hear it.
Speaker 6: No, I was just gonna say like it was almost
Speaker 6: kind of like in the same way like I can't
Speaker 6: remember if you've ever said if you've done like acid
Speaker 6: or anything like that, but it's kind of like when
Speaker 6: you're stuck in like us psych a delic loop. That's
Speaker 6: like just kind of what it felt like listening to it.
Speaker 1: Dude, I want to do more stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: I know after that podcast episode. After that episode in particular,
Speaker 1: I was like, I have this thing where I was like,
Speaker 1: I should fuck up this podcast more. I should release
Speaker 1: an episode where it's just me saying the for yeah
Speaker 1: for an hour.
Speaker 7: The yeah, absolutely, the the you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: because I already I'm at this thing where I'm like,
Speaker 7: I've again, It's like I already know.
Speaker 1: What having a normal conversation feels like. So the only
Speaker 1: way to evolve is to just start doing wacky, dumb bullshit.
Speaker 1: But then but then that's that's me sort of, I guess,
Speaker 1: surrendering to this idea that I've heard all the stories,
Speaker 1: that they're already here, and that's not that that is
Speaker 1: not true, of course, as we're constantly making new people.
Speaker 1: There's infinite people I've never spoken to. But I have
Speaker 1: that inclination to just be like, you know what, let
Speaker 1: me just let me interview a tree for an hour.
Speaker 1: You know what, Fuck this show, I'm gonna interview a
Speaker 1: fucking tree for an hour.
Speaker 6: Wait. You should do something like that. You know how
Speaker 6: they have like the little there's like clips and they
Speaker 6: are I don't know what exactly it's called, but it's
Speaker 6: like how they make plan music and they like clip
Speaker 6: these little things. Yeah, yeah, you should do that and
Speaker 6: like see like what it's what it does when you're
Speaker 6: like talking to it.
Speaker 1: There's this guy actually, you know it's funny. I feel
Speaker 1: like I've already done. I feel like this idea has
Speaker 1: been done before. There's this guy, Dan Henschel. He's a
Speaker 1: very funny.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I guess we could call him a content creator.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He makes this He made this YouTube video where it's
Speaker 1: like I think it's like challenging. He's like holding he's
Speaker 1: in he films all his videos in his car, and
Speaker 1: he's like in his car and he's like he's holding
Speaker 1: a gourd and he's like challenging myself to talk about
Speaker 1: this gourd for an hour, and I'm like, that's see,
Speaker 1: that's genius, that's fun, that's just like creative. You know
Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean, I like it's nice also to
Speaker 1: do a thing that's grounded in reality. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: have you ever felt like you were you're like stuck
Speaker 1: inside you, like stuck as yourself? You ever felt that way?
Speaker 6: Like what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Okay, see you see you haven't.
Speaker 6: Oh well do you mean like do you mean like
Speaker 6: stuck like in a like like I couldn't like veer
Speaker 6: off my like path that I've beaten to, like change.
Speaker 1: A sort of sorry or just that like you know,
Speaker 1: you are who you like. Some had some you like
Speaker 1: little faith in your ability to I guess I don't
Speaker 1: know change or whatever. Wait, what's your name again?
Speaker 6: I've been going by Jerry and Jerry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jerry, what's going on in your life?
Speaker 6: So funny you ask? I was actually not supposed to
Speaker 6: get like stuck on the phone with you at all today,
Speaker 6: Like that was not my plan. I actually had to
Speaker 6: go drive door to ash and make money today. But
Speaker 6: this is infinitely better. I'm gonna have all night to
Speaker 6: do that. But yeah, I'm I'm going camping this weekend
Speaker 6: with some friends.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 6: I'm going on an Alaskan cruise like a week after that,
Speaker 6: which is kind of insane. But other than that, I
Speaker 6: hit my job and I'm trying to figure out new
Speaker 6: uh employment And that has been the pinnacle of my
Speaker 6: life right now is how to survive?
Speaker 1: Is your job doing door dash?
Speaker 6: Sometimes I have I am like doing a couple of
Speaker 6: different things. I work a retail job as like a stalker,
Speaker 6: and then I also work at like an office. But
Speaker 6: I hate those two situations that I'm in. So I
Speaker 6: then driving for DoorDash, which is like getting so difficult
Speaker 6: because gas is so expensive.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I can imagine that the profit for that is kind
Speaker 1: of tough.
Speaker 6: Well, I think a lot of people who order DoorDash,
Speaker 6: because I know I didn't before like driving for DoorDash,
Speaker 6: I don't think they realize that DoorDash does not pay you.
Speaker 6: You only make the tip that you give.
Speaker 1: Is that true? Doda paid, you only get paid the tip.
Speaker 6: You only get paid the tip. So like what if
Speaker 6: I'm like, if you tip someone three dollars and the
Speaker 6: restaurant you order from is like seven miles away. They're
Speaker 6: only making like you know, not even a dollar per
Speaker 6: mile that they drive, and like not to mention the
Speaker 6: time that you spend on doing that.
Speaker 1: That's so fucking crazy. I hate that. I fucking hate
Speaker 1: the way that, Like I don't know, it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: one of the what is the fucking company just like
Speaker 1: pay the fun like tipping. Tipping in general is so
Speaker 1: like annoying, Like I love what like when you go
Speaker 1: to like uh like Europe and Asia and stuff, they
Speaker 1: just don't have it because like all the companies, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so we all the companies like
Speaker 1: kind of you know, like actually like pay the wage
Speaker 1: instead of like making the consumer pay the wage. It's
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean you would think like a company
Speaker 6: like DoorDash too, like they tack on so many like
Speaker 6: extra fees and things like that to your order that
Speaker 6: like part of that would go to the dasher. But no,
Speaker 6: like sometimes they have uh like incentives, but I haven't
Speaker 6: gotten like a notifications or an incentive in a while,
Speaker 6: aside from like oh this area is super busy, you
Speaker 6: might make like one extra dollar per delivery. But but
Speaker 6: that's it.
Speaker 1: What do you think you're gonna do after the store
Speaker 1: dash gig?
Speaker 6: Oh you know, I've been asking myself that for months now,
Speaker 6: and it has been so like like get end to me.
Speaker 6: I guess I don't know. I had like a career
Speaker 6: for like ten years like a while ago, and then
Speaker 6: I like stopped doing that, and then it was just
Speaker 6: kind of like in and out of like retail type stuff.
Speaker 6: But it's so like soul fucking to me, and like
Speaker 6: I know, I am like I can be a higher
Speaker 6: valued employee in some way somewhere, especially with like my
Speaker 6: office experience. Realistically, I kind of want like a work
Speaker 6: from home situation because I love to travel and just
Speaker 6: like have some type of sweedom and autonomy.
Speaker 1: What was your Uh you said you had a career.
Speaker 1: What was your career?
Speaker 6: I was a professional body piercer for ten years.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, how come you don't do that?
Speaker 2: That's like a whole nother.
Speaker 6: Messed up like story.
Speaker 5: But like basically there's just a.
Speaker 6: Lot of like internal drama in the professional body piercing
Speaker 6: realm and community and like people aren't very nice to
Speaker 6: each other, and like not that that should matter a
Speaker 6: whole lot, but it really does, because a lot of
Speaker 6: it is like word of mouth.
Speaker 1: I feel like that should I feel like that should
Speaker 1: totally matter. I feel like, yeah, I mean if that's
Speaker 1: like that the universe, if the universe that you're being
Speaker 1: a part of is like a generally unkind universe, then yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just really like toxic, and I mean I
Speaker 6: think the last couple of years it's been getting a
Speaker 6: little bit better, but like there's just a lot of
Speaker 6: like there's a lot of like uh like essay.
Speaker 8: And like abuse not necessarily always physical, and like harassment and.
Speaker 6: Things like that. And there's like a new generation versus
Speaker 6: like an old generation type of vibe and like people
Speaker 6: not being held accountable for certain things and people still
Speaker 6: like supporting them. So it's kind of like just a
Speaker 6: lot of moving pieces that like I'm more than like
Speaker 6: good like stepping away from you know, can't you?
Speaker 1: Is there is there a thing you can like go
Speaker 1: independent on though? Or you or is that do you
Speaker 1: need too many like licenses?
Speaker 6: It depends on where you're at, but it's certainly something
Speaker 6: you can be independent on. But it's, like I said,
Speaker 6: it's hard to like, it's hard to not be part
Speaker 6: of the community because it's a lot of word of mouth,
Speaker 6: and if you're like independent, it's just like any small business,
Speaker 6: like if you're like a hairstylist or something like that,
Speaker 6: where it's like you kind of have to build up
Speaker 6: your own clientele. And it's also just like not a great,
Speaker 6: uh like industry to be in at the moment because
Speaker 6: it is like a luxury service, so people aren't really
Speaker 6: wanting to spend that money, and plus like the cost
Speaker 6: of jewelry and shit, it's just not like it's not
Speaker 6: the same as it I was like when I was
Speaker 6: doing it, because I stopped like maybe like I don't know,
Speaker 6: it's like four years ago, ish.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, So it's.
Speaker 6: Just like kind of more of a pain than like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I was also pretty burnt out, so like I just
Speaker 6: don't think I would ever go back to it, but
Speaker 6: I would like some type of creative job that is
Speaker 6: maybe weird from home. But if it's not creative, then
Speaker 6: it's just kind of like as long as I'm making
Speaker 6: money and I'm not.
Speaker 1: Dreading working, well, I believe in you. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's a tough it's a tough world,
Speaker 1: but but I believe in you. I believe in you.
Speaker 2: Jerry.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to other people?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Matt, thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to believe in me. I'm trying to believe in me.
Speaker 1: We can believe in each other and fly off in
Speaker 1: out or space together, man, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing.
Speaker 2: Jerry.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 6: I but can I ask you one question?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Wait is the question the thing you want to say?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you have two things?
Speaker 6: Two things?
Speaker 2: Yes, sure, okay.
Speaker 6: So my partner and I were sitting in the car
Speaker 6: the other day listening to you, and they turned to
Speaker 6: me and say, do you think Lyle Ever gets lonely?
Speaker 6: I said, I'm pretty sure Lyle has mentioned being lonely
Speaker 6: on the podcast, not that that's a funny thing, but
Speaker 6: it was just like, like, I've heard you speak about
Speaker 6: things like this, But how are you? Are you lonely?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: What was? Can I all right? Let me what was
Speaker 1: happening at the in the podcast at the time when
Speaker 1: that person, when you're your partner said that.
Speaker 6: What podcasts were we listening.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to know the exact to give me.
Speaker 1: I want to know the podcast and the time code.
Speaker 1: When when he said that, so I can give that
Speaker 1: to my therapist, go ahead? When was it?
Speaker 6: Oh? Okay, it was the girl you're talking to about.
Speaker 6: And she kept saying she wanted papers, and she kept
Speaker 6: she her husband was sexting a Nigerian.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and she had.
Speaker 6: An affair with her coworker. And I don't know what
Speaker 6: you were like actually saying in the podcast because I
Speaker 6: was driving, I was kind of zoning out a little
Speaker 6: bit because the whole episode was a little crazy. But yes,
Speaker 6: that was just like what we're listening to.
Speaker 1: What about that made made him? Made him feel like
Speaker 1: I was lonely?
Speaker 6: What makes wait? Can I put you on the phone
Speaker 6: with him?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, here, Hello, what's up? Hey? Whatever? Geck?
Speaker 1: What what about that podcast made you feel like I
Speaker 1: was lonely?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: It wasn't like necessarily that podcast. I just we were
Speaker 3: on like a string of like crazy episodes, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, like I just thought of, like you talk
Speaker 3: to so many people and get like all walks of
Speaker 3: you know, like all perspectives and like situations and just
Speaker 3: like you know, are exposed to all that, and maybe
Speaker 3: it's not like you're forming like relationships with these people
Speaker 3: or friendships necessarily, but it's just like you know it,
Speaker 3: I for like, I guess people like me, you know,
Speaker 3: I see a bunch of people every day, you know, strangers,
Speaker 3: and don't have any sort of like interaction other than
Speaker 3: you know, high at the most.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So I just was just wondering, like, does that, like
Speaker 3: do you ever get like lonely even though you know
Speaker 3: you talk to so many people you know, from all
Speaker 3: over everywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, the I mean the relationship I have, I have
Speaker 1: multiple answers to that question. Well, the relationship I have
Speaker 1: with like like callers on this show and the context
Speaker 1: in which I am having these conversations for a recorded
Speaker 1: podcast is like it's very like it's a very separate
Speaker 1: thing from my like actual personal life, except in some instance.
Speaker 1: Except that there's been like some instances, mainly when I
Speaker 1: make my little documentaries like like uh like fucking like uh,
Speaker 1: the guy that I walked across Japan with like that,
Speaker 1: like he became my actual friend, you know, the dude
Speaker 1: I went to the guys, I went to Ukraine and Iraq,
Speaker 1: with like those guys are like my actual friends, you know.
Speaker 1: But I don't, like, I don't this is this feels
Speaker 1: like recording this podcast. It doesn't feel like I'm it's
Speaker 1: a it's kind of a different paradigm because it's like,
Speaker 1: I guess, working, so it's not like I'm socializing in
Speaker 1: this same way like when you're like interviewing people or
Speaker 1: doing like especially like I guess it'd be different if
Speaker 1: I was, like it's if it's different when I'm doing
Speaker 1: it over the phone, then when I'm over the like
Speaker 1: when I when I do like in when I do
Speaker 1: like in person ship, it feels like I'm socializing. When
Speaker 1: I do it over the phone, it feels like a
Speaker 1: kind of like a different specific thing. But to answer
Speaker 1: your question, I'm actually not. I actually was extremely lonely
Speaker 1: for like a few years. I was actually streaming lonely
Speaker 1: for many years, and then recently I'm actually not lonely
Speaker 1: at all, because I mean, it's the shit that I
Speaker 1: keep talking about in the podcast about like find the
Speaker 1: community of people and like be a part of it.
Speaker 1: So that way, you like, you know, like you have
Speaker 1: a place, like like I found a place that I
Speaker 1: can like show up at every day and there's like
Speaker 1: people there, and so I'm like truly, like ninety percent
Speaker 1: less lonely than I have been in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if that answers your question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you know, I just I was just curious.
Speaker 3: I guess that makes sense, you know, like it's a
Speaker 3: whole different experience, especially the talking over the phone part.
Speaker 3: But well, like what about when you do like live shows,
Speaker 3: you know, do you like, oh those are does that
Speaker 3: sort of scratch the same itch in the sense of
Speaker 3: like that you know, socializing an interaction that you do
Speaker 3: with like the documentaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I like being like it's anything having to
Speaker 1: do with like being in person is very different from
Speaker 1: like being over the phone, you know. Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: get a lie, I get I get a lot of
Speaker 1: energy from that. But I also like, I'm very I'm
Speaker 1: very uh, I'm very I'm extroverted in like a super
Speaker 1: particular way. Like my dream, like I love, like I
Speaker 1: my dream social scenario or truly my dream mode of
Speaker 1: existence is to be like constantly surrounded by people that
Speaker 1: I don't have to talk to. That's why I love
Speaker 1: That's why I love New York. Like I'm constantly surrounding
Speaker 1: people I don't or like or my fam Like if
Speaker 1: I'm at a party and I'm in a my favorite
Speaker 1: social situation I've said this for a bunch of times
Speaker 1: about my favorite social situation. I'm at a party. I'm
Speaker 1: in a circle with some people I know, and enough
Speaker 1: people in the circle are talking that I don't have
Speaker 1: to fucking talk and I could just be about I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm a part of the circle. I'm in the scene.
Speaker 1: I can talk if I want to, uh, but I
Speaker 1: don't have to talk to anyone. Worst social situation I'm
Speaker 1: at a party talking one on one with just some guy.
Speaker 1: That's the worst. I fucking hate that. Even if they're
Speaker 1: like and the worst party, actually this makes it Even
Speaker 1: if they're like really nice and cool, that actually makes
Speaker 1: it worse. I would rather like I would I would
Speaker 1: like be if I'm at a party and I'm talking
Speaker 1: to some guy and he's a fucking asshole and he
Speaker 1: like wants to fight. Like, that's so much better than
Speaker 1: if I'm talking to a guy and he's like a
Speaker 1: nice guy, because then I have that takes so much
Speaker 1: more energy to entertain, you know what I mean. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're talking like if a guy's like, oh that's
Speaker 1: cool man. Also like you know, like do you like
Speaker 1: the city like or even if or even if like
Speaker 1: you know, like I like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just like a nice cool guy, I fucking would I
Speaker 1: uh uh give me a give me a depressed guy.
Speaker 1: I could talk to a depressed guy at a party
Speaker 1: one on one pretty good or like uh yeah, sure sure,
Speaker 1: or like if I'm at a or a funny guy,
Speaker 1: like if I'm talking to a guy and he starts
Speaker 1: like doing act outs you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: he goes like, oh, I'm gonna get like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like when a guy's like doing act outs,
Speaker 1: I have no I have no tolerance for that. I
Speaker 1: can't talk, like when someone I can't tolerate a jokes jokes.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy, but like, uh, like, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to be funny, just do it in
Speaker 1: It's like when people try to be when people try
Speaker 1: to be funny in a way where it's like if
Speaker 1: you don't laugh, it feels weird. But I like when
Speaker 1: people are being funny. Yeah, well, I like when people
Speaker 1: are funny because they're being like real, you know, like
Speaker 1: if someone.
Speaker 3: Just laugh naturally, you know, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Just laugh naturally. Like if someone's like, uh uh, how
Speaker 1: do I say this? If someone's like if like if
Speaker 1: I like, if I'm not talking to a guy at
Speaker 1: a party and and I'm like, hey, man, how you
Speaker 1: doing and he's like, I feel fucked up? Man, I
Speaker 1: ate fifty pop tarts today, I'd be like, nice, that's funny,
Speaker 1: that's real. That's I thank you for sharing that with me.
Speaker 1: But if a guy, but if a guy is like,
Speaker 1: uh doing a bit where I'm like, oh, how do
Speaker 1: you know the host of the party, and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: me and Brian, Uh we're married. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I don't care about your life at all.
Speaker 3: That's pretty horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like around.
Speaker 3: Because you got to give like a half laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate that shit. I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty real.
Speaker 1: Fuck that is a long rant. But yeah, sometimes I
Speaker 1: like I like being alone around people. I like when
Speaker 1: I'm around a lot of people, I don't have to
Speaker 1: talk to any of them. That's my dream.
Speaker 3: I resonate with that because you still feel part of
Speaker 3: it and there's no real expectations sometimes socializing art.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like I like it. I like
Speaker 1: the people. At my worst days, I'll be going insane
Speaker 1: in my apartment and then I'll just like talk to someone.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, I just needed to. You can't
Speaker 1: tether like other people are the only real thing that
Speaker 1: you have. You're like a being of like profound conscious
Speaker 1: I mean this spiritually, but also like on a very
Speaker 1: grounded level. You're a being of deep profound consciousness. And
Speaker 1: so if you're just that like as a human, you're
Speaker 1: a being of profound consciousness. And if you're just kind
Speaker 1: of like alone wallowing in the pool of your own
Speaker 1: profound consciousness, you are like a fucking astronaut spinning around
Speaker 1: in space. You're tethered to nothing. Your reality is that
Speaker 1: you have to peer review your reality with other beings
Speaker 1: of profound consciousness in order to prevent you from going
Speaker 1: insane with your own profound consciousness. You gotta like other
Speaker 1: human beings are the only thing. Maybe a dog, but
Speaker 1: even a dog, it's like, I mean, a dog, a
Speaker 1: dog is a being of of of profound consciousness, you know,
Speaker 1: in comparison to like a leaf or a table or whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but They're not going to give you a
Speaker 3: reality check.
Speaker 1: No, you know behavior, Yeah, you need a constant you
Speaker 1: need to constantly have your real your reality checked by
Speaker 1: other beings of profound consciousness or else you just fucking
Speaker 1: just go insane.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that that you just to fi in your head.
Speaker 3: That and you just push everybody away at that point
Speaker 3: because you know, not good stuff.
Speaker 1: What's your name again? We had a whole I had
Speaker 1: a whole separate conversation with you.
Speaker 3: I feel now, well you talk to Jerry and I'm Barry.
Speaker 1: Barry Barry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you lonely?
Speaker 4: No, you know, not really.
Speaker 3: I've like gone through stages in my life of feeling
Speaker 3: pretty isolated and lonely. But I mean in the same way,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like just interacting with people. I mean,
Speaker 3: like you said, like like being part of the circle
Speaker 3: is just kind of sometimes all you need. Like I
Speaker 3: like me and my partner, Like we go to the
Speaker 3: mall sometimes, and I like being at the mall, not
Speaker 3: just because like shopping, but just because there's like other
Speaker 3: people with like families, and like are someone with their
Speaker 3: partner or like someone's you know, like I like people watching.
Speaker 3: It just makes you feel part of like the circle,
Speaker 3: you know, So just going out and like, you know,
Speaker 3: not to sting cooped up in my room has very
Speaker 3: much just sort of helped me just feel part of
Speaker 3: the circle.
Speaker 1: Barry, is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk to Jerry again?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 2: But we're here.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean.
Speaker 1: If they want to say if they oh wait, they
Speaker 1: had a second thing they oh wait, yeah, he'll wait. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm hold on. Now I'm remembering. Now I'm remembering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me give you the Jerry. Here's here's here's Jerry,
Speaker 3: Jerry speaking.
Speaker 1: Okay, you had a question for me, and then I
Speaker 1: turned that into a whole thing. But then you also
Speaker 1: had a thing you wanted to say. So what was
Speaker 1: the thing you wanted to say?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: No, no, I just wanted to say my people to
Speaker 6: the computer part?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, please Okay, first of all, don't litter, and second,
Speaker 5: be so nice to animals because they don't do nothing
Speaker 5: wrong here.
Speaker 6: And third, please follow my uh in my skincare and
Speaker 6: makeup Instagram account. It is at totality of them cool.
Speaker 8: That's that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, Jerry, thank you.
Speaker 1: Did Barry I have anything you want to say at all?
Speaker 1: Did Barry?
Speaker 6: Last word?
Speaker 4: Barry?
Speaker 6: With your mouth? With your mouth here.
Speaker 3: Be kind swag?
Speaker 1: Thank you Barry, thank you, Jerry, thank you. I'll see
Speaker 1: you guys around the universe.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: I love you, dude.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, See you guys, Deck Bless. Hello everyone, what's up.
Speaker 1: It's Lyle and I am going to end the podcast
Speaker 1: today by doing something I feel like I haven't done
Speaker 1: in a while, which is read a gek mail. That's
Speaker 1: where I'm going to read a gek mail. Maybe a
Speaker 1: second gek mail, but I'm gonna start with one. I
Speaker 1: don't want to I'd rather read one and see how
Speaker 1: I feel and promise two. I'm gonna keep reading one
Speaker 1: and seeing how I feel and then we'll go from there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, gek mail, it's a thing where people send
Speaker 1: me emails with whatever they want to talk about and
Speaker 1: then we talk about it. You can send a gak
Speaker 1: mail to Therapy gecko mail at gmail dot com. Other
Speaker 1: than that, let's read some Let's read some gek mails. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Chris uh oh. This is from Chris, it's
Speaker 1: an update update starting a bay Blade community in my city. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see. Oh, okay, I remember the Okay, this guy
Speaker 1: emailed me. Okay, I'm gonna read his first email. Well
Speaker 1: he heard me. He there's a few emails he said. Okay, basically,
Speaker 1: this guy sent me an email last time and he said,
Speaker 1: one of the lessons I have learned from your show
Speaker 1: is if you want something, you have to go out
Speaker 1: and get it. And this lesson pushed me to contact
Speaker 1: a local game store to see if I can organize
Speaker 1: a bay Blade tournament. And I read that email and
Speaker 1: I was stoked on it. But I remember saying, let
Speaker 1: me know what happens. Let me know if you end
Speaker 1: up actually starting the Bayblade tournament, like you know, show
Speaker 1: we pictures what happened. So okay, this is another email. Okay,
Speaker 1: so updates starting a Bayblade community in my city. Hey, Gek.
Speaker 1: First of all, I was so happy when you read
Speaker 1: my email on the pod. I felt like one of
Speaker 1: those crazy white boys in Mad Max. I've never seen
Speaker 1: Mad Max, so I don't know what that means. But okay, anyways,
Speaker 1: the bay Blade tournament is happening. It's fucking happening. Hell, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: the Bayblade Tournament is happening, albeit a bit slower than
Speaker 1: I anticipated because there's a lot of elements that had
Speaker 1: to align to make it happen. Yes, all the bay
Speaker 1: Blayers very busy people to get all those schedules lined up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the eleventh of July, my city will have
Speaker 1: its very first bay Blade X tournament. Failure or not,
Speaker 1: I will send you a follow up email to let
Speaker 1: you know how it goes. All I know is I'm
Speaker 1: excited as hell. Wait, Chris, hold on, dude, you gotta
Speaker 1: give me a fucking.
Speaker 2: Hell.
Speaker 1: I'm responding to where is I want to tell the
Speaker 1: I want to tell the podcast people about it? Where's
Speaker 1: this babe aid tournament? Where is the tournament happening? Okay,
Speaker 1: I just responded to him, where is the tournament happening?
Speaker 1: I'll promote. I'll promote it on the on the fucking pod.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do fuck my tour dates. Let's I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change all pod promotion for efforts away from
Speaker 1: my tour dates, which you can get tickets for at
Speaker 1: Therapy Gecko tour dot com. I'm gonna take all of
Speaker 1: my podcast promotion, my my podcast tour dates, uh, promotion
Speaker 1: away and put it all into the Babelade tournament. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. Okay, Chris, keep me updated. You
Speaker 1: better respond to that email. Let me know where this is. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, that felt good. I'll read another one. Let's
Speaker 1: see this is this is? This email's name is fresh Start. Hey,
Speaker 1: Gecko man, I would like to go by Churo. I
Speaker 1: don't really know if this will make it to the
Speaker 1: gek mail segment. It did, but regardless, I would like
Speaker 1: to write this as a means of yapping slash, getting
Speaker 1: it out of my chest. I have been in the
Speaker 1: same career for the last eight years, going on nine now.
Speaker 1: I am currently twenty eight and moving up to the North.
Speaker 1: I currently live on the island of Puerto Rico, and
Speaker 1: I am moving up to Maryland soon for a new
Speaker 1: job I got. I am kind of anxious and nervous
Speaker 1: about how well I will fit in and most of all,
Speaker 1: how I will handle the culture shock if I encounter
Speaker 1: some Oh okay, I thought he was gonna okay if
Speaker 1: he encounters some culture shock.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 1: I've been living in Puerto Rico for most of my
Speaker 1: life and moving to the States feels surreal, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm leaving behind a part of me in
Speaker 1: the Island. I've got family over in Maryland shout out Maryland,
Speaker 1: which will make them move a bit easier. But it
Speaker 1: being my first time moving on my own and taking
Speaker 1: on a new career feels like I am about to
Speaker 1: climb a mountain, one which I will reach the top
Speaker 1: of with help and support from my loved ones. Yet
Speaker 1: I have a little voice in my head that leads
Speaker 1: me to overthink. It makes the worst case scenario possible.
Speaker 1: My question is, do you have any tips on overthinking
Speaker 1: and over analyzing anything and everything? Much appreciated, get blessed.
Speaker 1: I don't have tips, but I have a lot of experience.
Speaker 1: Maybe my experience can help you. My experience of doing that,
Speaker 1: I mean, I do it all the time. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge overthinking or I ever analyze. I you know, it's
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really, really, really lucky. I've gotten to do
Speaker 1: a lot of shit in my life despite probably having
Speaker 1: spent like, god, you know, so much significantly, I mean,
Speaker 1: fifty one hundred times more time thinking and over analyzing
Speaker 1: shit than like doing shit. I'm just lucky. I had
Speaker 1: my little times where I got to do stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I feel like I'll regret on
Speaker 1: my deathbed. I'll regret anytime I was a dick or
Speaker 1: anytime I was worried. I feel like those are the
Speaker 1: two things I'll regret. But how do I how do I?
Speaker 1: How do you not over analyzed and overthink everything? I
Speaker 1: mean it's hard, I do it all the time, but
Speaker 1: I ultimately think that in a scenario like this, where
Speaker 1: you've been doing the same shit for eight years, you've
Speaker 1: been living in Puerto Rico for eight years, you're making
Speaker 1: a move, you feel you're making a move, and you
Speaker 1: feel pretty confident about too. You have family over there,
Speaker 1: and you literally just said, I'm going to reach the
Speaker 1: top of it with the help and support of my
Speaker 1: loved ones. I mean, I can already tell, I can
Speaker 1: already tell that you're gonna be okay, just byter the
Speaker 1: fact that you even said that. You know the fact
Speaker 1: that you feel so confident in those relationships that they
Speaker 1: will guide you to where you want to be. So
Speaker 1: I believe in you, just based on that fact that
Speaker 1: you believe in yourself. In this scenario particularly, I do
Speaker 1: think this is a nice move because I don't know. Man,
Speaker 1: this is just me personally. But I always want to
Speaker 1: keep I want to keep evolving, you know, when I
Speaker 1: feel like I can get I don't want to get
Speaker 1: stuck in something for so long and then by you know,
Speaker 1: I'm also twenty eight and at twenty eight, it's like
Speaker 1: your life doesn't naturally evolve that much. You have to
Speaker 1: make it evolve. You have to take different choices and
Speaker 1: do different things to get your life to evolve. And
Speaker 1: if you just overthink, I mean, dude, you can. You
Speaker 1: can overthink shit for like years. I've experienced that, I
Speaker 1: really have. I've experienced like I was reading journals of mine,
Speaker 1: I'm like twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three, where it's
Speaker 1: like I'm talking about shit that there's some shit that
Speaker 1: I'm talking about that you know I actually have like
Speaker 1: take an action on and done well. But there's socially
Speaker 1: I'm talking about where it's like, fuck, did I'm talking
Speaker 1: about doing? I'm talking about like, oh, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: that like today. You know, like you can overthink and
Speaker 1: overanalyze four years and years and years and just not
Speaker 1: make a decision at the time. Just fucking passes. Not
Speaker 1: to freak people out, but I'm glad you're making a decision.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're doing a thing, so you know, be happy.
Speaker 1: Be happy with your decision. I think it's a good one,
Speaker 1: especially if you have that much confidence in it that
Speaker 1: your homies are going to help you out. Well, we
Speaker 1: did it, folks, we did a gek mail. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: happy with it. I'm pretty We had the guy moving
Speaker 1: from Puerto Rico, and then we had the babylay guy.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see what happens with that bab blade tournament.
Speaker 1: Go to this guy's baby blay tournament July eleventh. That's
Speaker 1: all the info I have. When I have I have
Speaker 1: more info, I will let you all know. I promised
Speaker 1: I am on tour. If you live in Portland, Seattle,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Vancouver, or Minneapolis, I am coming to your
Speaker 1: city very soon. Let's see, I'm coming to the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 1: like immediately, Like I'm coming there like next week. San
Speaker 1: Francisco June fourth, Portland June fifth, Seattle June sixth, Vancouver
Speaker 1: June seventh, Minneapolis June ninth, and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: other dates. Many many other cities are available now at
Speaker 1: therapy geckotour dot com. Uh, please go check that out.
Speaker 1: Please come see the live shows I've got I'm, I'm.
Speaker 1: They're basically the live shows are like a combination of
Speaker 1: like this podcast, where I invite people up on stage
Speaker 1: and we talk, and then also I do a lot
Speaker 1: of storytelling. So you know, I went to Iraq, I
Speaker 1: went to Ukraine. I've been living my life. I have
Speaker 1: stories about it. I'll be telling some story. It'll be fun,
Speaker 1: it'll be nice. Go check that out therapy geckotour dot
Speaker 1: com or the link in the episode description. I also
Speaker 1: have a bonus episode this week on Patreon, Patreon dot com,
Speaker 1: slash lyle forever. You get access to every episode of
Speaker 1: this podcast add free, every episode of this podcast that
Speaker 1: is a bonus episode that is not on the main feed.
Speaker 1: And what else, Oh you get there's there's extra footage
Speaker 1: from the documentaries. There's a whole bunch of stuff on
Speaker 1: that Patreon, Patreon dot com, slash lyle forever. Here's a
Speaker 1: little clip a bonus episode. Clip from this week's bonus episode.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna quit my job in the next week, and
Speaker 8: I wanted your advice on how I should do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's your job?
Speaker 8: I do kind of like a like experimental testing, I
Speaker 8: would say, is what I do? So it's hazardous environment,
Speaker 8: like high energy testing.
Speaker 1: On on animals.
Speaker 8: No, no, oh gosh, no, nothing that's alive. I do
Speaker 8: like aerospace grade testing. But the purpose of it is
Speaker 8: anything you want to do that you shouldn't do on
Speaker 8: the Earth, you can instead do it in space because
Speaker 8: it's a little safer.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: What is the coolest dangerous thing that you are trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do in space?
Speaker 8: The highlight of my career was helping to build one
Speaker 8: of the most powerful rocket engines in the modern day
Speaker 8: and seeing it fly over and over again. That was
Speaker 8: probably the coolest thing. So everything since then it's been
Speaker 8: kind of chasing the same feeling, but not being able
Speaker 8: to find something that gets tainted, I would say, because
Speaker 8: it felt very purposeful.
Speaker 1: Damn dude. So you build, you're building? You build a rocket?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Okay, and why are you quitting? That was a preview
Speaker 1: of the bonus episode. You can check that out at
Speaker 1: patreon dot com, slash Lyle forever and uh, that's about it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Guys for listening.
Speaker 2: Ghak.
Speaker 1: Bless you all and I'll see you guys around the universe.
Speaker 2: Bye.
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