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Speaker 3: the evening to publish is let us welcome you to Thursday,
Speaker 3: March twentieth, twenty twenty five. We're going to have some
Speaker 3: follow ups on our Manchester Pusher episode from previously did
Speaker 3: not expect the sheer amount of really well thought out
Speaker 3: correspondence we received for that one. Apparently we're known in
Speaker 3: Greater Manchester. Guys.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, I love Manchester.
Speaker 3: Just just a heads up, you know, when we find
Speaker 3: ourselves out that way, we're going to learn a little
Speaker 3: bit about trillionaires and fossile fuels. We might have some
Speaker 3: fart jokes, we might have some serious conversations about diplomatic immunity.
Speaker 3: But before we do any of that, have you ever
Speaker 3: looked at one of your non human animal buddies and thought,
Speaker 3: I wonder what you're thinking about. I wonder how you metacognate?
Speaker 4: What are they building in there their animal minds? Is
Speaker 4: the question? Yeah, no, I certainly do Ben, as do
Speaker 4: we all.
Speaker 3: Yes, And we have to we have to admit we're
Speaker 3: pleased as punch about the first wonder we have to
Speaker 3: share with you, which we'll do right after a break
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Speaker 4: And we've returned with a fabulous and a very rich,
Speaker 4: dense letter from a listener referring to themselves as dognition.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't be mad, they say, if we came up with
Speaker 4: something more clever than that I don't know if that's possible.
Speaker 4: That's very good given the content of the letter. But
Speaker 4: first we're going to start with a little bit of
Speaker 4: a personal story that Dognition sends us as relates to
Speaker 4: current events. I'm going to keep the name of this
Speaker 4: company out of it for fear of any kind of retribution.
Speaker 4: Let's just put it this way. My last company dealt
Speaker 4: with electrical parts, supplying electrical parts to various manufacturers. One
Speaker 4: of our offices had a contract with the Tesla gigafactory.
Speaker 4: We supplied an on site trailer full of parts and
Speaker 4: when they needed certain supplies, they'd go grab them from
Speaker 4: the trailer. We had a salesperson check in with them
Speaker 4: and order supplies as needed. Sometime into our business relationship,
Speaker 4: accounts receivable flagged Tesla for not paying for the parts
Speaker 4: they were taking. Tesla claim they didn't have records for
Speaker 4: who they'd paid. They just told us that all we
Speaker 4: needed to do was supply the invoice they'd sent us,
Speaker 4: then they would pay us. We couldn't find it, of course,
Speaker 4: it was most likely they never sent it, and we
Speaker 4: weren't the only supplier with concerns. And then Dognition links
Speaker 4: out to an article talking about some other sticky situations
Speaker 4: involving Tesla. The amount they owed to US was around
Speaker 4: a million dollars. So there you go, just a little
Speaker 4: bit of an insider of perspective on a big company
Speaker 4: and a big personality that's in the news right now.
Speaker 3: I hear the president of the US is selling Tesla cars.
Speaker 4: I heard that as well. Some of the actions that
Speaker 4: the President has taken have led to some pretty serious
Speaker 4: losses in the stock market, including losses sustained by his
Speaker 4: dear pal Elon Musk's company Tesla in question here, and
Speaker 4: it lost quite a bit of its value. And it
Speaker 4: would appear the President is trying to I don't know,
Speaker 4: remedy that I guess, even though it would seem that
Speaker 4: it's a problem that he himself caused. And I know,
Speaker 4: the ecosystem that is the US financial market is very
Speaker 4: complex and there's a lot going on, and maybe it's
Speaker 4: not as simple as that, but we did talk about
Speaker 4: this idea of market manipulation. But it would also seem
Speaker 4: that maybe some of these things were not intended, and
Speaker 4: it seems like he's trying to give a little leg
Speaker 4: up to his buddy Elon by turning the lawn of
Speaker 4: the White House into a car lot. It's a little weird. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you guys hear about the suspicious Tesla sales thing
Speaker 2: that happened in Canada recently?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: There's this, you know, the EV programs, like government sponsored
Speaker 2: EV programs, where there's an incentive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, incentives to the buyer as well.
Speaker 2: Correct, exactly, and well across the board, yep. But the
Speaker 2: reason why more cars move in general is because the
Speaker 2: buyer gets a tax break or something like that, a
Speaker 2: reduction in price over the electric vehicle.
Speaker 4: It's like putting solar panels on your house. You know,
Speaker 4: there are certain subsidies that you qualify for and you
Speaker 4: get a portion of that paid for by the government.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So there was one happening in Canada and
Speaker 2: they had already it facilitated around five hundred thousand electric
Speaker 2: vehicles being sold right and right as that window ends.
Speaker 2: Because these aren't like, it's not a it's not a
Speaker 2: thing that just happens in perpetuity. It is a program
Speaker 2: that basically goes for a certain amount of time then
Speaker 2: it ends. Well, that's what happened in Canada, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden. Right at the end, eight six hundred
Speaker 2: Teslas were sold, and in one day in one location
Speaker 2: where Teslas are sold on two hundred of the vehicles
Speaker 2: were sold, which is a little bit. Those are.
Speaker 3: Great numbers. Those are objectively great number. Also, to answer
Speaker 3: your earlier question, dognition, if I could just off the
Speaker 3: top freestyle a couple of terrible alternatives to the nickname
Speaker 3: you suggest because you opened the door, you invited us
Speaker 3: in the void, writes back. In addition to dognition, help
Speaker 3: me out here, guys, what would be a good poodle sception? Yeah,
Speaker 3: a cor giation.
Speaker 4: Chill wow, wow factor, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hypotha shazoo. It's pretty good, you know, like, let's just
Speaker 3: mess with us, all right. Those are four suggestions, unless Matt,
Speaker 3: you got one.
Speaker 2: No, I just can't think on my feet like that.
Speaker 4: Oh what are you talking about? You just keep one
Speaker 4: in your back pocket for later, but really quickly talking
Speaker 4: about Tesla situations while we're at it. I don't know
Speaker 4: if you guys also saw about the fire in Seattle
Speaker 4: that torched for Tesla cyber trucks, apparently speaking of the
Speaker 4: idea of designating some of these actions as domestic terrorism,
Speaker 4: it's just such a bizarre situation we find ourselves in
Speaker 4: where the line between private corporations and private industry is
Speaker 4: just more blurred than ever when it comes to the
Speaker 4: way the government is dealing with it and with this
Speaker 4: private citizen that's being given so much power. Though it
Speaker 4: does seem that maybe some of those powers are being
Speaker 4: rolled back a little bit after much protest from the
Speaker 4: actual elected officials that are running some of these agencies
Speaker 4: that Musks doze operation have kind of we're given carp
Speaker 4: blanche to sort of dismantle, So we'll see, we'll see
Speaker 4: what happens with that. But that is really not the
Speaker 4: main reason why. As you can tell by the nickname,
Speaker 4: the dog Nish wrote into us, and they say, enough
Speaker 4: about that. Here's a bunch of stuff about animals. This
Speaker 4: is mostly a bunch of my experiences, but there's some
Speaker 4: science stuff in there too, Thank you for that. And
Speaker 4: then this is a really in depth amount with quite
Speaker 4: a few examples of animal cognition and some I's going
Speaker 4: to read a few of my favorites, so I'm gonna
Speaker 4: start here. I've mentioned before having some experience, and this
Speaker 4: is a listener's written into us multiple times, having some
Speaker 4: experience in the animal welfare world and dabbling and becoming
Speaker 4: an animal behavior consultant. A good friend of mine was
Speaker 4: my mentor for this journey, and she co authored this
Speaker 4: book and links to the book called Canine Enrichment for
Speaker 4: the Real World, Making It a Part of Your Dog's
Speaker 4: Life by Ali Bender CDBC and Emily Strong CDBC. Something
Speaker 4: I want to point out about this book is how
Speaker 4: well researched it is. This friend is fact oriented and
Speaker 4: science minded, which we love here on stuff they don't
Speaker 4: want you to know. We held some workshops for budding
Speaker 4: behavior consultants at some local shelters, and I had the
Speaker 4: great fortune of accompanying her for some behavioral consultations in
Speaker 4: pre pandemic times. My focus was around understanding the sort
Speaker 4: of skeletal framework of behavior coupled with the ethogram for
Speaker 4: whatever species I might try to work with. While I
Speaker 4: remain no more than a hobbyist, what I have learned
Speaker 4: to see has provided small glimpses into the rich inner
Speaker 4: world of our pet animals. My own dog, Lucky and
Speaker 4: I share an understanding that most pet owners don't reach.
Speaker 4: I give him agency to make choices that pet parents
Speaker 4: often don't consider, and he sort of learns how to
Speaker 4: bridge some of those outcomes to other forms of communication.
Speaker 4: I learned to listen to what that is by paying
Speaker 4: close attention to the behaviors he expresses. The most recent
Speaker 4: way this has played out is in his cooperative care routines.
Speaker 4: Luck He's an older dog, so I don't want to
Speaker 4: risk anesthesia to get his dental work done if I
Speaker 4: can help it. Instead, I taught him to lay on
Speaker 4: his side while I slowly and gently scraped tartar build
Speaker 4: up from his teeth with very sharp instruments in exchange
Speaker 4: for some treats. I've accidentally poked his gums only a
Speaker 4: couple of times, and he will flinch, but will take
Speaker 4: care to keep holding still. If he wants a break,
Speaker 4: he taps my hand with his paw. When he's ready
Speaker 4: to start again, he lays back down on his side
Speaker 4: and presents his face. He is op in for this.
Speaker 4: When I ask, do you want to work on your teeth?
Speaker 4: He jumps up excitedly and runs for the room where
Speaker 4: we do most of his grooming. So he is opting
Speaker 4: in to holding very still while I shine a bright
Speaker 4: light around his face manipulate his lips and gums and
Speaker 4: accidentally poke sensitive parts of his mouth on the occasion.
Speaker 4: He chooses this without having made him do anything he
Speaker 4: doesn't want to do at any step along the way.
Speaker 4: Pretty fantastic. I hear Matt in the background coaxing his
Speaker 4: dog Meadow with a little bit of animal cognition himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just reacting to something going on down there.
Speaker 4: One more quick story and then we'll move on. And
Speaker 4: I want to hear about y'all's experiences with the stuff
Speaker 4: with your own pets. My neighbor's husky, Jasper, wouldn't go
Speaker 4: inside when he was called. It didn't matter what they
Speaker 4: offered him. They kept trying to give him treats so
Speaker 4: they could grab him, so he stopped responding to food.
Speaker 4: It was bad enough that one day they asked me
Speaker 4: to go help them get him inside because he wasn't
Speaker 4: listening and they needed to go out. Their long term
Speaker 4: solution was to attach a long line to him when
Speaker 4: they needed to let him outside. When those neighbors went
Speaker 4: on a trip for a week, I watched their dogs
Speaker 4: for them during that time, I said challenge, accept it.
Speaker 4: I let Jasper out without his long line, then held
Speaker 4: treats behind my back at a height he could reach.
Speaker 4: That way, he could take them without fear of me
Speaker 4: trying to grab his collar. We practiced that until he
Speaker 4: was comfortable walking around somewhat near me. Next, I taught
Speaker 4: him a queue for play that meant we were going
Speaker 4: to chase each other back and forth across the yard.
Speaker 4: After playing tag for a little while, I went inside,
Speaker 4: left his water bowl just inside the door and walked
Speaker 4: away so he could get water and go back out
Speaker 4: if he wanted. To get him to come back inside,
Speaker 4: I just asked if he wanted to go on a walk,
Speaker 4: and wrapped up our sessions with a walk through the neighborhood.
Speaker 4: After doing this for three or four days, on the
Speaker 4: fifth day, I accidentally discovered that his favorite game isn't chase,
Speaker 4: it's tug. He very gently grabbed a stick I was
Speaker 4: holding for my hand. When he got it from me,
Speaker 4: he ran away as normal, but this time he's self handicapped,
Speaker 4: so I could catch up and pull on the stick.
Speaker 4: I just think this is so cool. I don't know
Speaker 4: guys like this is beyond to me just basic training
Speaker 4: you know of an animal. This is you know, this
Speaker 4: behavioral aspect of it and the idea of what is
Speaker 4: going on with their cognition and trying to explore that
Speaker 4: and trying to use that to consensually, you know, do
Speaker 4: stuff together with your for baby or whatever. I think
Speaker 4: it's really really neat, and it doesn't really strike me
Speaker 4: as the same as like, you know, using behavioral modification
Speaker 4: exactly to like make a dog do a trick or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It may well just be the perspective
Speaker 4: that it's being represented here from dognition, and there's a
Speaker 4: certain empathy and kindness and and very you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know, animal focused attitude here. But I don't know
Speaker 4: what you guys think about this kind of stuff, Like
Speaker 4: is this different than just your standard run of the mill,
Speaker 4: you know, obedience courses or is there something more at
Speaker 4: play here?
Speaker 3: I would argue yes. In check out check out the
Speaker 3: show Ridiculous History. I wrote a two part episode we
Speaker 3: did on how dogs became domesticated in the first place,
Speaker 3: and domestication is a superpower. There is something fascinating here
Speaker 3: with the question of, you know, the dilemma of anthropomorphizing
Speaker 3: or projecting upon a non human animal your own interpretations
Speaker 3: of patterns. But dogs are a little different. These types
Speaker 3: of canines are a little more rom com with those
Speaker 3: scrappy upstarts of the primate world. The humans dogs do experience.
Speaker 3: A lot of animals actually experienced tremendous emotional depth, and
Speaker 3: dogs have not just cognitively but corgatively, not just evolved
Speaker 3: there to interact with humans, but also they have physically evolved, right,
Speaker 3: just like the number of muscles around the eyes and
Speaker 3: the sockets of the eyes are are entirely meant to
Speaker 3: interact with humans, and a dog can of course perceive
Speaker 3: things that a human cannot. That's why they make such
Speaker 3: a great team together. I will always be fascinated by
Speaker 3: the studies that show your dog may not just be
Speaker 3: reacting to your behavior, your intonation, or your smell. They
Speaker 3: may be reacting to past information about you and predicting
Speaker 3: your behavior based on that, just like you would do
Speaker 3: right with your dog. Also, they're one of the few
Speaker 3: non human animals that understands pointing, which is massive. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Other primates don't really get it. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: And Matt, you know, as I mentioned, you were kind
Speaker 4: of doing some stuff with meta your pop. Does any
Speaker 4: of this resonate with you or any experience that you've
Speaker 4: had in communicating with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of cognitive behavioral therapy in there.
Speaker 2: And you guys know I've talked before my ex wife
Speaker 2: was a cognitive behavioral therapist. I think that's what CBT
Speaker 2: stands for. And I think CBS might the s might
Speaker 2: be specialist because that's another title you can have. And
Speaker 2: often this stuff is applied to working with humans, and
Speaker 2: when you apply it to dogs, it works. It sure
Speaker 2: does work. Just trying to but it is it is
Speaker 2: behavioral modification, but it isn't forced, right, it's just you.
Speaker 2: You teach, you literally teach you guide, yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 2: you teach well, when I do this, it means that.
Speaker 2: And now now when you do that, you get this
Speaker 2: and if you want that, you show me that action. Right.
Speaker 2: It's really cool stuff. It's pretty amazing. I haven't been
Speaker 2: as successful in any way as dignition has here in
Speaker 2: some of those things. But again, a dog is like
Speaker 2: five six years old, like Meadow, that's my dog. She
Speaker 2: will learn things very quickly if you just show things
Speaker 2: with kindness, consistency and kindness and just that thing that's
Speaker 2: just well, here is what is happening. And what will
Speaker 2: happen every time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so volunteering at different shelters here in our fair
Speaker 3: metropolis of Atlanta, you can you can see exactly what
Speaker 3: you're describing their matt which is first off, I hope
Speaker 3: this is not a hot take or a polemical opinion,
Speaker 3: but I don't think there are any bad dogs. I've
Speaker 3: met dogs that people said were bad and it was
Speaker 3: just really it was their interaction with the people that
Speaker 3: informed their behavior to that point. So hopefully no bad dogs.
Speaker 3: I love what you're what was it, hypothesis, hypothesis, I'll
Speaker 3: forget it. I'll forget it after this, But great, great
Speaker 3: questions dognition, especially because we are all extremely pro animal
Speaker 3: even counting the naked mul rat. You know, it's not
Speaker 3: their fault.
Speaker 4: It's nuts, it's not doing their best.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Huge thanks for writing into us about the Little Tesla
Speaker 4: Insider tidbit and some of these examples of using this
Speaker 4: kind of cognition based training on dog. By the way,
Speaker 4: the two authors of that book that was referenced are
Speaker 4: credited as being cbdc's which stands for a Certified Dog
Speaker 4: Behavior Consultant, So that's an official certification that you have
Speaker 4: to get so thanks again, and we're going to take
Speaker 4: a quick break here a word from our sponsor, and
Speaker 4: then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2: And we've returned, guys, surprise, we're jumping to the bow lines. First,
Speaker 2: We've got a very important message from Sergeant Riggs.
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, please call me. Sergeant Riggs, just wanting to
Speaker 5: let you know I'm really excited for the upcoming episode.
Speaker 5: You guys teased about diplomatic community. I have a little
Speaker 5: bit experience with that. Back in the eighties.
Speaker 6: I was a LAPD detective and I was chasing after
Speaker 6: these South African drug dealers who happen to have diplomatic Well,
Speaker 6: after a shootout with my partner and the bad guys,
Speaker 6: eventually got to shoot the main bad guy in the
Speaker 6: head as I told him, as diplomatic community just expired.
Speaker 5: That'd be great if you guys comment on that.
Speaker 6: Very famous incident. But all right, rigs out.
Speaker 4: Which Lethal Weapon movie is that from?
Speaker 2: That's the first one, baby, go google. Uh, we just
Speaker 2: thought that was terribly fun, Sergeant Riggs. There, which is
Speaker 2: a one of the characters, one of the partners in
Speaker 2: lethal Weapons. Yeah, Martyridy Higgs just describing you know, the plot. Basically,
Speaker 2: we do have to note, Sergeant Riggs, if you are
Speaker 2: actually Sergeant Riggs, you did not fire that shot and
Speaker 2: that line that was your partner Roger Murtau.
Speaker 3: Credit where it's due, Sergeant. Uh, don't take this investigation money,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Matt, you and I we're
Speaker 3: talking a little bit off air. This is one of
Speaker 3: the ones that got me towards the end.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I wait a second, and this sounds familiar,
Speaker 2: and we don't want to spoil anything, but I mean
Speaker 2: to kind of just spoil part of that movie Lethal Weapon,
Speaker 2: a Mel Gibson movie worth your time.
Speaker 1: Indeed.
Speaker 4: And by the way, when Danny Glover said that famous
Speaker 4: line about being too old for this ish, he was
Speaker 4: forty years old and playing a fifty year old. Oh wow, unrelatable.
Speaker 3: Like it's like how there For many decades in television,
Speaker 3: the serious high school drama shows all had students who
Speaker 3: were about thirty.
Speaker 2: Yep, wow, that's about right.
Speaker 3: That's about yeah. But that was a nice one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you so much. It rakes.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get to just quickly. We're gonna we should
Speaker 2: do a whole episode of Diplomatic community, and we've touched
Speaker 2: on it many a time on the show.
Speaker 3: What we have an episode on the way for sure.
Speaker 2: We really are, but just to put it out there
Speaker 2: so you're ready when that comes. That is a weird
Speaker 2: little situation where a diplomat from Country A can go
Speaker 2: to Country B, and while they are inside Country B
Speaker 2: doing their business whatever it is, they have complete immunity
Speaker 2: from the laws from the jurisdiction of country Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: confused country by Well, why did I say this? You
Speaker 2: gotta go, you gotta do it.
Speaker 3: So you're in country B, right, you nailed it. Country
Speaker 3: b's laws are are applied to you in a different
Speaker 3: way based on your diplomatic status from as a representative
Speaker 3: of Country A.
Speaker 2: Yes, and real legal immunity for things like you can
Speaker 2: the lawsuit isn't going to happen. You aren't going to
Speaker 2: get prosecuted while you're in that country depending right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why we're doing an episode on this because,
Speaker 3: I uh, the the examples can be as innocuous as well.
Speaker 3: This guy just doesn't pay parking tickets in Manhattan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all the way up to hey, you know what is murder? Really?
Speaker 4: Yes, but that doesn't that also extend to like their
Speaker 4: political pouch and list of the materials they might be carrying.
Speaker 4: They're not at they are not subject to search and
Speaker 4: seizure either for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And just the concept of this goes way, way, way,
Speaker 2: way way back that you've got some representatives from another
Speaker 2: place coming to speak with the top top men and
Speaker 2: women in your place, and they have different cultures, different
Speaker 2: more's different everything. So while they're in your country, you
Speaker 2: just kind of have to let them do what they
Speaker 2: do and interact with you, and then they can head
Speaker 2: back theoretically in the nice way, right, And we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about how that could be abused so.
Speaker 3: Quickly, abused, weaponized, leveraged. I remember speaking with I remember
Speaker 3: speaking with representativetives of the North Korean government who made
Speaker 3: a rare trip to the United States and they were
Speaker 3: on a tour you could call it, pushing for their
Speaker 3: perspective on the nuclear narrative across the planet. And one
Speaker 3: of the most disappointing things bracketing everything else out, one
Speaker 3: of the most disappointing things was how bellicos just bad
Speaker 3: vibe their American minders were, you know, like interrupting questions
Speaker 3: rephrasing things, making sure that they got their propaganda out
Speaker 3: as well. It's just, oh, diplomatic immunity. What a bag
Speaker 3: of badgers. I can't wait, can't wait to dive in.
Speaker 3: And if you have diplomatic immunity right to us, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, give us the tips.
Speaker 4: A diplomatic pouch of badgers, if you will.
Speaker 2: That would be great to incorporate into our pouch that
Speaker 2: we will present to you all of its contents.
Speaker 4: No secrets here, well, there are a lot of secrets depending.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Used, Well there we are. Thank you so much there,
Speaker 2: Sergeant Riggs for sending that message to us. Let's go
Speaker 2: to Big Randy. I have talked about this one so
Speaker 2: many times, we never actually played it. This is just
Speaker 2: a thought experiment for us because I have used search terms,
Speaker 2: every combination I can think of to find like a
Speaker 2: real answer to that which is posed here within Big
Speaker 2: Randy's message, and I cannot find it. So let's just
Speaker 2: have a little discussion after we hear from Big Randy.
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is Big Randy. I was just listening
Speaker 7: to the episode that y'all are talking about some of
Speaker 7: the people that are millionaires, billionaires and I believe that
Speaker 7: read an article with said something about some agency had
Speaker 7: found out that there's probably going to be, according to
Speaker 7: their projections, five trillionaires in the next year. And I
Speaker 7: have to tell you that we've got trillionaires for quite
Speaker 7: a while. I just retired from a company that we
Speaker 7: provided have visibility, security and transportation.
Speaker 5: Or people like that.
Speaker 7: And whenever you hear the richest man in the world
Speaker 7: or the richest person in the world, that's the richest
Speaker 7: person in the world that reports their income to Forbes
Speaker 7: Forbes magazine. We've had trillionaires and Dubai and other places
Speaker 7: in Saudi Arabia all the way back to I wanted
Speaker 7: to say the late eighties as the latest mid nineties.
Speaker 7: That's how far back my career goes. And I know
Speaker 7: for a fact that I met a trillionaire and the
Speaker 7: early mid nineties, and that was one of the sheik
Speaker 7: Muhammads from the oil industries from Dubai. So don't fool
Speaker 7: yourselves in thinking that Elon Musk or you know, the
Speaker 7: Amazon founder or whoever fill in the blank, has more
Speaker 7: juice or more power than anybody else on the planet.
Speaker 7: That's not the case. That's only in the public eye
Speaker 7: and the public eye. That might be what's important to
Speaker 7: us because we're just normal people. But in the world
Speaker 7: I the people that run the world, they all look
Speaker 7: to Saudi Arabia. There might be other places where they
Speaker 7: have trillionaires. It's been often debated and talked about that
Speaker 7: Putin is one of the richest men in the world,
Speaker 7: if not the richest man in the world, but there's
Speaker 7: no accountability or accounting, no public accounting of his wealth.
Speaker 7: The same could be said for the leader of North Korea,
Speaker 7: and uh maybe even other countries they might have, but
Speaker 7: as far as I know, the only trillionaires that I
Speaker 7: know of, and at least one, at least one that
Speaker 7: I've met, is from Saudi Arabia. Anyway, you're more than
Speaker 7: welcome to use my voice if you want to, and
Speaker 7: if not, that's all right. That's your show. You can
Speaker 7: do what the hell you want. Have a great day,
Speaker 7: love the show.
Speaker 2: Too, big. Randy's the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had mentioned this encounter, Matt in a previous conversation,
Speaker 4: but hearing it, you know, directly from them, it gives
Speaker 4: it a whole other feel.
Speaker 2: I just want to get y'all's opinion on that. The
Speaker 2: concept that because I understand wealth, right, especially oil wealth
Speaker 2: that's been around for generations, but I don't understand the
Speaker 2: concept of potentially a trillion, like a trillion dollars or
Speaker 2: more worth of that wealth being somewhere and hidden from
Speaker 2: public eye.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent happens. Yeah, we talked about this previously
Speaker 3: on an episode or one of these conversations. Like the
Speaker 3: difficulty which you point out so beautifully, big Randy, is
Speaker 3: the conversation between how wealth is measured and how wealth
Speaker 3: is portrayed, right, or how it is shown to the
Speaker 3: average public. Like you could argue, I've said this before,
Speaker 3: you could argue Mansa Musa was a trillionaire right in function,
Speaker 3: the guy who was so wealthy that he broke economies
Speaker 3: of northern Africa just by traveling back in the day.
Speaker 3: I think our tricky thing here is how is our
Speaker 3: metric for measuring what value means? Because once you get
Speaker 3: to the billionaire class, that there's great liquidity in that value, right,
Speaker 3: it changes day to day based on the stock market
Speaker 3: or so on, and with and putin is a great
Speaker 3: example of how it can become impossible to know the true,
Speaker 3: the true quote unquote wealth of a single human individual,
Speaker 3: especially because at that threshold, it's not just them. There
Speaker 3: are multiple proxies, their entire small armies of accountants. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, because you've got that wealth for anybody
Speaker 2: above a certain level is stuck in accounts, stuck in
Speaker 2: you know, things that are tied to stocks, the units
Speaker 2: that are tied to how well a currency is doing, right,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, or how.
Speaker 4: Well natural resource is doing.
Speaker 2: Yes, futures, commodities, futures, all that stuff. But I guess.
Speaker 2: But the thing I always forget our discussions about how
Speaker 2: wealthy individuals and corporations will put money in places like Panama,
Speaker 2: right or in Swiss accounts back in the day. Maybe
Speaker 2: less now because people be known about that stuff now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it used to be the wealthy version of putting
Speaker 3: money in a postagejar and burying it in your backyard.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so that kind of wealth is there too, but
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be reported in any way. So there is
Speaker 2: the potential for even people in Forbes lists to be
Speaker 2: well above where they are right now. It's just this concept,
Speaker 2: especially in the Middle East. Think about Saudi Arabia, United
Speaker 2: Arab Emirate, at some of these places where that generational
Speaker 2: wealth is built, but often it's tied to a family
Speaker 2: business or something right or to and that stuff is
Speaker 2: like traded or it is reported by law, and there's
Speaker 2: just no body there that has a trillion dollars or
Speaker 2: no company even that has a trillion dollars.
Speaker 3: Well, let's put it this way. How about this, and
Speaker 3: folks walk with us here, tell us what you think,
Speaker 3: and Matt and oil, tell me what you think as well.
Speaker 3: What if it works like this, Big Brandy can't wait
Speaker 3: to hear from you. What if you are as he said, Matt,
Speaker 3: you are generational wealth. And in this case it is
Speaker 3: defined as a percentage off the top of a proven
Speaker 3: natural resource. Right, and then your percentage becomes a function
Speaker 3: or magnified by the current estimates of how much fossil
Speaker 3: fuel or how much insert resource here is present right
Speaker 3: the proven reserves. And then you have to play a
Speaker 3: little bit of arcane math and do some gaming with
Speaker 3: the price to Knowle's point about those reserves right over time.
Speaker 3: So if you have somehow a small percentage or we
Speaker 3: would call it a deal point on some kick ass
Speaker 3: oil fields, whatever you're poisoning is there, then the value
Speaker 3: the rest of the world assigns to those reserves can
Speaker 3: have a tremendous influence on what is seen as your
Speaker 3: observable wealth or value, But it's still not quite the
Speaker 3: same thing. Like, nobody has a briefcase right now with
Speaker 3: the trillion dollars in it, because it's super inconvenient. You
Speaker 3: would have to check that when you fly.
Speaker 2: Imagine that that would be the size of the Chrystler building.
Speaker 4: I can't even possibly imagine the physical manifestation of that
Speaker 4: much money. Do you guys have a of any thoughts
Speaker 4: around though the whole diplomacy aspect of like you know who,
Speaker 4: to what degree do individuals with this amount of money,
Speaker 4: you know, receive deference from the elon musks and presidents
Speaker 4: and you know other billionaires of the world, And how
Speaker 4: are they able to stay so anonymous?
Speaker 3: Well, the real advantages at that threshold, at only hypothetically,
Speaker 3: would be things like privacy, right, one of the immensely
Speaker 3: eroded resources of our time. We talked about this in
Speaker 3: the past. The second big difference is to your question access.
Speaker 3: So if you are past a certain financial threshold and
Speaker 3: you say, you watch something on TV, right, and you
Speaker 3: hear something on the radio and you say, I want
Speaker 3: to meet that person. You know, this Mariah Carey seems
Speaker 3: like a real up and comer. Then you can just
Speaker 3: have your people get you on the phone with Mariah Carey.
Speaker 3: If you like a good stock, you can just have
Speaker 3: your people get you on the phone with whomever is
Speaker 3: in charge of that stock. The access is one of
Speaker 3: the primary operational differences up there with privacy. It is
Speaker 3: entirely possible and plausible to seek to hide, hide, or
Speaker 3: distribute wealth such that you don't become a public figure, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: God forbid an icon. It for class struggle.
Speaker 4: Well, and I guess you know some of the folks
Speaker 4: over here that have become figureheads of the companies that
Speaker 4: maybe generated so much wealth of them, many of them
Speaker 4: desire that limelight or it's too late for them to
Speaker 4: bow out of the public guide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I mentioned a few weeks back. You know,
Speaker 3: there's this struggle people arrive at. I can't remember whether
Speaker 3: this is on air, there's a struggle people arrive at
Speaker 3: in our distry, even where you have to ask yourself,
Speaker 3: do I pursue, you know, approval, the power of being
Speaker 3: publicly known, or do I go more c suite do
Speaker 3: I become an executive, right who moves behind the throne?
Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a delima there, right, because
Speaker 3: sometimes those things can be mutually exclusive, or we could
Speaker 3: argue that because clearly, for instance, not to dunk on
Speaker 3: them too hard. Again, But Elon Musk made the decision
Speaker 3: to be a public figure because there is power in
Speaker 3: public attention, the kind of wealth. That's true if it'll work.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's a two way street. I mean, because
Speaker 4: as we know, it seems like Elon Musk made a
Speaker 4: lot of groundwork to have the kind of influence that
Speaker 4: he's been handed. But it would also seem that wielding
Speaker 4: that influence has not necessarily been directly good for his
Speaker 4: bottom line because of how public it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting that somebody with that kind of
Speaker 2: wealth and power could give you a call. As you're saying, Ben,
Speaker 2: there people just get a hold of you, and all
Speaker 2: you hear on the phone is person X is interested
Speaker 2: in what you're doing and would like to contribute. And
Speaker 2: everybody or you know, in the operation of whatever you're doing,
Speaker 2: here's that and says, oh, that's millions of dollars at
Speaker 2: least we need to take that call and then what
Speaker 2: does that? How does how could that potentially shape what
Speaker 2: is being done?
Speaker 3: Right, mister Gibson, I have a huge, fat, no lethal weapon.
Speaker 3: Thank you for making the time today on the yacht
Speaker 3: rig Yeah, people can get touched.
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, Well there you go, guys. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much, Big Randy. We're giving us that little thought experiment.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sergeant Riggs.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3: And we have returned with a follow up to our
Speaker 3: earlier episode on the Manchester Pusher. The Manchester Pusher Please
Speaker 3: do check out the episode if you have a yet.
Speaker 3: The Manchester Pusher is an allegation or theory similar to
Speaker 3: the one we see in the Smiley Face murders. The
Speaker 3: concept is that in the Greater Manchester area many people,
Speaker 3: often dudes right, who have fallen into canals or drowned
Speaker 3: and their body's been found in a canal. The idea
Speaker 3: is that they are purposely being murdered by some sort
Speaker 3: of active serial killer or killers. The official explanation, which
Speaker 3: has always been pretty consistent by the way, is that
Speaker 3: no these are drowning and maybe people were intoxicated through
Speaker 3: a drug or alcohol, or maybe the weather was bad
Speaker 3: and they simply slipped. This was a controversial phenomenon to cover,
Speaker 3: to explore, and we want to thank everybody who took
Speaker 3: the time to write to us regarding this. I don't
Speaker 3: know about you, guys, but I was absolutely astonished to
Speaker 3: find just how many people reached out and directly contacted us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there lots of great messages about this episode.
Speaker 3: So we'd like to share just a couple of these. One,
Speaker 3: you know, one we can start with. We mentioned some
Speaker 3: of these in a previous Listener Mail segment. One that
Speaker 3: we can start with, however, is another thing. I had
Speaker 3: teased this for a while. Law enforcement in Manchester contacted us.
Speaker 3: We'll give them anonymity, but they contacted us with a
Speaker 3: lot of great information. I'm thinking maybe we can read
Speaker 3: just a little bit of this message from a local
Speaker 3: police constable. Okay, GMP Bobby writes to us and says, hello, loves,
Speaker 3: there's a photo of me at work. I work for
Speaker 3: the GMP, And without getting two into the weeds, this
Speaker 3: person did prove their bona fides to us, and GMP
Speaker 3: Bobby says, I love this episode. I've been meaning to
Speaker 3: send you an email for some time to discuss the pusher.
Speaker 3: I know a few months ago you discussed a similar
Speaker 3: thing in a city in the US. Camp for the
Speaker 3: life of me, remember which. Look, I can't pretend I
Speaker 3: have even come close to working for Major Investigation Team MIT.
Speaker 3: Different MIT, the unit that would investigate murders and the like. However,
Speaker 3: I work on the City of Manchester Central District. This
Speaker 3: covers the city center and the areas with the highest
Speaker 3: volume of nighttime economy. The pusher is the sort of
Speaker 3: theory that a lot of us in the GMP like
Speaker 3: to talk about a lot, and we'll pass the mic
Speaker 3: here Matt, GMP Bobby is responding to some questions we
Speaker 3: raised about closed circuit television.
Speaker 2: It continues, I just want to clear some things up. Yes,
Speaker 2: there is a lot of CCTV. It actually isn't that
Speaker 2: hard to get. The majority of CCTV in the city
Speaker 2: center is covered by the local authority. Almost all businesses
Speaker 2: will supply CCTV with a simple form for information disclosure,
Speaker 2: so that really isn't a problem. We also had the
Speaker 2: powers to seize CCTV if someone is being obstructive. CCTV, however,
Speaker 2: does not cover vast parts of the canals. The majority
Speaker 2: of the canals in the city center do have railings
Speaker 2: to prevent this sort of thing. However, once you leave
Speaker 2: the city center there are no barriers. The canals span
Speaker 2: miles and miles of the Greater Manchester area. Railing all
Speaker 2: of them would cost a bloody fortune. Also, there would
Speaker 2: be some arguments for the barge boat owners. I dare say, which.
Speaker 3: We encounter later, and some other correspondence. Now, gee, Bobby
Speaker 3: moves on to walk us through encountering a canal. Noel,
Speaker 3: do you want to hit us with this one?
Speaker 4: For sure? The canals can be the quickest way if
Speaker 4: you are a pedestrian to leave the city. And if
Speaker 4: you're pissed up, I guess that means drunk and your
Speaker 4: phone has died, So no GPS the easiest way to
Speaker 4: navigate to your house. It would be tempting, but also
Speaker 4: you'd be an idiot. I live in a suburb on
Speaker 4: a canal. I have often walked to the city along
Speaker 4: the canal. It can be nice on a good day
Speaker 4: when it's well lit. They are very dark at night, however,
Speaker 4: unbelievably dark. The canals are also used a lot by
Speaker 4: criminals or people cruising. They are also used a lot
Speaker 4: by lads wanting to take a piss on a weekend night.
Speaker 4: I imagine that actually means urinating into the canals. Some
Speaker 4: areas of the canals are steep, very steep. If you
Speaker 4: hit that cold water drunk, you ain't getting out Once
Speaker 4: the panic sets, in.
Speaker 3: Which we appreciate the confirmation Bobby of something we were
Speaker 3: discussing on that episode. Bobby continues to talk about the demographic,
Speaker 3: the demographic commonalities of the victims. One of my favorite
Speaker 3: lines there is I would say males tend to be
Speaker 3: the ones to choose to walk home from a drunken
Speaker 3: night out. But of course I would say that I'm
Speaker 3: a cop d And so we got this in depth report.
Speaker 3: I do want to share a few final pieces of
Speaker 3: this correspondence. And as you guys know, I corresponded directly
Speaker 3: with this person and many other people who wrote to us,
Speaker 3: and in every single case we received a lot of support.
Speaker 3: We received a lot of people who have their own
Speaker 3: details and experiences surrounding this. So you are primary sources
Speaker 3: there in Manchester, and if you wrote to us, thank you.
Speaker 3: Here's one thing Bobby wants all of us to know
Speaker 3: at home. Bobby continues, Whilst you are correct and that
Speaker 3: we are massively underfunded, we do go out of our way.
Speaker 3: I have attended no end of jobs as a response
Speaker 3: cop of people falling in. By the time we arrived,
Speaker 3: usually in minutes, the person is already out with a
Speaker 3: blanket and a cup of tea. Likewise, a lot of
Speaker 3: jobs come in with reports of bodies in the water.
Speaker 3: These are taken very seriously, even if it ends up
Speaker 3: just being get this guy's garbage floating about.
Speaker 2: I can imagine seeing something in the waters down there
Speaker 2: if it's that dark. Yeah, as Bobby's describing, it's like
Speaker 2: I should probably call someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you do? You know if you saw
Speaker 3: this at it's three in the morning or something. Are
Speaker 3: you going to run over there to the canal?
Speaker 2: You're going to dial nine nine nine or whatever the
Speaker 2: thing is.
Speaker 4: It's totally escaping to me where I heard this, but
Speaker 4: it was definitely in like a British comedy where someone
Speaker 4: referred to a kind of a low life element as
Speaker 4: the type the hangaround canals. Interesting and I had never
Speaker 4: quite got that reference until now.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, guys, I was going to make a reference
Speaker 2: to Skyrim. You know that that city center that has
Speaker 2: the canals, and yeah.
Speaker 3: And Skyrim still slaps what's the what's the bar?
Speaker 4: Where the the something flaggering flagging? There's the ragged flags,
Speaker 4: the ragged flagging flagging.
Speaker 3: I've played this game too often, right, Uh? So Bobby
Speaker 3: continues and says, Look, no police officer wants to end
Speaker 3: up in coroner's court for not doing their job. Which
Speaker 3: Bobby also, we didn't know that was a thing. Uh
Speaker 3: And Bobby says, we're not perfect. I do believe we
Speaker 3: all try our very best, especially when it comes to
Speaker 3: investigations that involve a death or an accident or otherwise.
Speaker 3: So Bobby says something really diplomatic here, I, by no
Speaker 3: means want to diminish the worries and concerns of those
Speaker 3: people who have lost loved ones. There is an if
Speaker 3: there is a conspiracy, I am not privy to that,
Speaker 3: and I have not watch the documentaries. I love this
Speaker 3: phrase too much, like a bus man's holiday for me,
Speaker 3: but I may very well do so. Now, had you
Speaker 3: guys ever heard the phrase bus man's holiday?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, so neither we wrote to ask about it. And
Speaker 3: apparently a bus man's holiday is meaning that you are
Speaker 3: on vacation, but you still do your job. So it's
Speaker 3: sort of I guess a comparison of that would be
Speaker 3: us taking a day off from podcasting just to listen
Speaker 3: to podcasts.
Speaker 4: Sure, also the way we take vacation in general.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, And with this we we won't have time
Speaker 3: to get to all of the rest of the correspondence,
Speaker 3: but we we got some great hot fuzz references. We
Speaker 3: got people who noted there are similar theories in Bristol,
Speaker 3: a nearby a nearby area also riddled with canals, And
Speaker 3: we got a lot of requests you guys to go
Speaker 3: to a live show in Manchester. What do we say? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: football Club oh Man, which we mentioned, yeah, Chester United, Yeah, man.
Speaker 2: You I keep seeing an image of what is it?
Speaker 2: What is the title, Bobby? What is Bobby's title?
Speaker 3: GMP, Bob, GMP Bobby.
Speaker 2: Did you guys watch the show the Fall?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Are you aware of that one? I see Jillian Anderson talking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, now, before we wrap up, we had
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