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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Dolan.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know. Dylan Young Tennessee. It's listener mail. You

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Speaker 3: know what time it is. Where's our sound for today,

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Time to dig up the rude begas.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the joke that only gets better as we

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Speaker 3: refuse to explain it.

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Speaker 4: Age is like a fine something that ages, and I

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Speaker 4: think is the thing people typically say.

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Speaker 3: Sure, wine, cheese, a good fart, oh no, which is

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Speaker 3: a little bit of foreshadowy they call it in the business. Folks.

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Speaker 3: If you are listening to our weekly listener mail segment,

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Speaker 3: the evening to publish is let us welcome you to Thursday,

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Speaker 3: March twentieth, twenty twenty five. We're going to have some

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Speaker 3: follow ups on our Manchester Pusher episode from previously did

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Speaker 3: not expect the sheer amount of really well thought out

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Speaker 3: correspondence we received for that one. Apparently we're known in

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Speaker 3: Greater Manchester. Guys.

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Speaker 4: Okay, cool, I love Manchester.

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Speaker 3: Just just a heads up, you know, when we find

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Speaker 3: ourselves out that way, we're going to learn a little

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Speaker 3: bit about trillionaires and fossile fuels. We might have some

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Speaker 3: fart jokes, we might have some serious conversations about diplomatic immunity.

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Speaker 3: But before we do any of that, have you ever

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Speaker 3: looked at one of your non human animal buddies and thought,

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Speaker 3: I wonder what you're thinking about. I wonder how you metacognate?

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Speaker 4: What are they building in there their animal minds? Is

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Speaker 4: the question? Yeah, no, I certainly do Ben, as do

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Speaker 4: we all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And we have to we have to admit we're

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Speaker 3: pleased as punch about the first wonder we have to

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Speaker 3: share with you, which we'll do right after a break

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Speaker 3: for a word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 4: And we've returned with a fabulous and a very rich,

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Speaker 4: dense letter from a listener referring to themselves as dognition.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't be mad, they say, if we came up with

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Speaker 4: something more clever than that I don't know if that's possible.

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Speaker 4: That's very good given the content of the letter. But

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Speaker 4: first we're going to start with a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a personal story that Dognition sends us as relates to

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Speaker 4: current events. I'm going to keep the name of this

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Speaker 4: company out of it for fear of any kind of retribution.

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Speaker 4: Let's just put it this way. My last company dealt

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Speaker 4: with electrical parts, supplying electrical parts to various manufacturers. One

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Speaker 4: of our offices had a contract with the Tesla gigafactory.

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Speaker 4: We supplied an on site trailer full of parts and

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Speaker 4: when they needed certain supplies, they'd go grab them from

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Speaker 4: and order supplies as needed. Sometime into our business relationship,

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Speaker 4: accounts receivable flagged Tesla for not paying for the parts

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Speaker 4: they were taking. Tesla claim they didn't have records for

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Speaker 4: who they'd paid. They just told us that all we

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Speaker 4: it was most likely they never sent it, and we

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Speaker 4: weren't the only supplier with concerns. And then Dognition links

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Speaker 4: out to an article talking about some other sticky situations

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Speaker 4: involving Tesla. The amount they owed to US was around

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Speaker 3: I hear the president of the US is selling Tesla cars.

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Speaker 4: I heard that as well. Some of the actions that

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Speaker 4: dear pal Elon Musk's company Tesla in question here, and

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Speaker 4: it lost quite a bit of its value. And it

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Speaker 4: would appear the President is trying to I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Did you guys hear about the suspicious Tesla sales thing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, incentives to the buyer as well.

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Speaker 2: Correct, exactly, and well across the board, yep. But the

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Speaker 4: It's like putting solar panels on your house. You know,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So there was one happening in Canada and

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Speaker 2: they had already it facilitated around five hundred thousand electric

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Speaker 2: Because these aren't like, it's not a it's not a

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Speaker 3: Great numbers. Those are objectively great number. Also, to answer

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Speaker 3: your earlier question, dognition, if I could just off the

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Speaker 3: top freestyle a couple of terrible alternatives to the nickname

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Speaker 3: you suggest because you opened the door, you invited us

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Speaker 3: in the void, writes back. In addition to dognition, help

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Speaker 3: me out here, guys, what would be a good poodle sception? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Chill wow, wow factor, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hypotha shazoo. It's pretty good, you know, like, let's just

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Speaker 3: mess with us, all right. Those are four suggestions, unless Matt,

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Speaker 2: No, I just can't think on my feet like that.

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Speaker 4: Oh what are you talking about? You just keep one

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Speaker 4: it's just such a bizarre situation we find ourselves in

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Speaker 4: that Musks doze operation have kind of we're given carp

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Speaker 4: what happens with that. But that is really not the

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Speaker 4: main reason why. As you can tell by the nickname,

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Speaker 4: the dog Nish wrote into us, and they say, enough

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Speaker 4: about that. Here's a bunch of stuff about animals. This

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Speaker 4: is mostly a bunch of my experiences, but there's some

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Speaker 4: science stuff in there too, Thank you for that. And

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Speaker 4: then this is a really in depth amount with quite

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Speaker 4: a few examples of animal cognition and some I's going

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Speaker 4: an animal behavior consultant. A good friend of mine was

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Speaker 4: my mentor for this journey, and she co authored this

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Speaker 4: book and links to the book called Canine Enrichment for

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Speaker 4: the Real World, Making It a Part of Your Dog's

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Speaker 4: Life by Ali Bender CDBC and Emily Strong CDBC. Something

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Speaker 4: I want to point out about this book is how

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Speaker 4: Huge thanks for writing into us about the Little Tesla

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, guys, surprise, we're jumping to the bow lines. First,

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Speaker 2: We've got a very important message from Sergeant Riggs.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, please call me. Sergeant Riggs, just wanting to

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Speaker 5: You guys teased about diplomatic community. I have a little

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Speaker 4: Which Lethal Weapon movie is that from?

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Speaker 3: Credit where it's due, Sergeant. Uh, don't take this investigation money,

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Speaker 3: Like it's like how there For many decades in television,

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get to just quickly. We're gonna we should

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Speaker 2: We really are, but just to put it out there

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is Big Randy. I was just listening

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Speaker 7: in Saudi Arabia all the way back to I wanted

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Speaker 7: to say the late eighties as the latest mid nineties.

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Speaker 7: That's how far back my career goes. And I know

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Speaker 7: for a fact that I met a trillionaire and the

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Speaker 7: early mid nineties, and that was one of the sheik

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Speaker 7: Muhammads from the oil industries from Dubai. So don't fool

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Speaker 7: yourselves in thinking that Elon Musk or you know, the

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Speaker 7: Amazon founder or whoever fill in the blank, has more

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Speaker 7: juice or more power than anybody else on the planet.

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Speaker 7: That's not the case. That's only in the public eye

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Speaker 7: and the public eye. That might be what's important to

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Speaker 7: us because we're just normal people. But in the world

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Speaker 7: I the people that run the world, they all look

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Speaker 7: to Saudi Arabia. There might be other places where they

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Speaker 7: have trillionaires. It's been often debated and talked about that

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Speaker 7: Putin is one of the richest men in the world,

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Speaker 7: if not the richest man in the world, but there's

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Speaker 7: no accountability or accounting, no public accounting of his wealth.

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Speaker 7: The same could be said for the leader of North Korea,

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Speaker 7: and uh maybe even other countries they might have, but

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Speaker 7: as far as I know, the only trillionaires that I

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Speaker 7: know of, and at least one, at least one that

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Speaker 7: I've met, is from Saudi Arabia. Anyway, you're more than

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Speaker 7: welcome to use my voice if you want to, and

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Speaker 7: if not, that's all right. That's your show. You can

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Speaker 7: do what the hell you want. Have a great day,

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Speaker 7: love the show.

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Speaker 2: Too, big. Randy's the best.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you had mentioned this encounter, Matt in a previous conversation,

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Speaker 4: but hearing it, you know, directly from them, it gives

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Speaker 4: it a whole other feel.

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Speaker 2: I just want to get y'all's opinion on that. The

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Speaker 2: concept that because I understand wealth, right, especially oil wealth

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Speaker 2: that's been around for generations, but I don't understand the

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Speaker 2: concept of potentially a trillion, like a trillion dollars or

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Speaker 2: more worth of that wealth being somewhere and hidden from

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Speaker 2: public eye.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent happens. Yeah, we talked about this previously

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Speaker 3: on an episode or one of these conversations. Like the

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Speaker 3: difficulty which you point out so beautifully, big Randy, is

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Speaker 3: the conversation between how wealth is measured and how wealth

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Speaker 3: is portrayed, right, or how it is shown to the

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Speaker 3: average public. Like you could argue, I've said this before,

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Speaker 3: you could argue Mansa Musa was a trillionaire right in function,

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Speaker 3: the guy who was so wealthy that he broke economies

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Speaker 3: of northern Africa just by traveling back in the day.

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Speaker 3: I think our tricky thing here is how is our

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Speaker 3: metric for measuring what value means? Because once you get

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Speaker 3: to the billionaire class, that there's great liquidity in that value, right,

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Speaker 3: it changes day to day based on the stock market

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Speaker 3: or so on, and with and putin is a great

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Speaker 3: example of how it can become impossible to know the true,

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Speaker 3: the true quote unquote wealth of a single human individual,

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Speaker 3: especially because at that threshold, it's not just them. There

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Speaker 3: are multiple proxies, their entire small armies of accountants. Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, because you've got that wealth for anybody

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Speaker 2: above a certain level is stuck in accounts, stuck in

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Speaker 2: you know, things that are tied to stocks, the units

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Speaker 2: that are tied to how well a currency is doing, right,

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing, or how.

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Speaker 4: Well natural resource is doing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, futures, commodities, futures, all that stuff. But I guess.

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Speaker 2: But the thing I always forget our discussions about how

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Speaker 2: wealthy individuals and corporations will put money in places like Panama,

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Speaker 2: right or in Swiss accounts back in the day. Maybe

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Speaker 2: less now because people be known about that stuff now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it used to be the wealthy version of putting

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Speaker 3: money in a postagejar and burying it in your backyard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, so that kind of wealth is there too, but

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Speaker 2: that wouldn't be reported in any way. So there is

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Speaker 2: the potential for even people in Forbes lists to be

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Speaker 2: well above where they are right now. It's just this concept,

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Speaker 2: especially in the Middle East. Think about Saudi Arabia, United

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Speaker 2: Arab Emirate, at some of these places where that generational

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Speaker 2: wealth is built, but often it's tied to a family

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Speaker 2: business or something right or to and that stuff is

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Speaker 2: like traded or it is reported by law, and there's

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Speaker 2: just no body there that has a trillion dollars or

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Speaker 2: no company even that has a trillion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's put it this way. How about this, and

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Speaker 3: folks walk with us here, tell us what you think,

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Speaker 3: and Matt and oil, tell me what you think as well.

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Speaker 3: What if it works like this, Big Brandy can't wait

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Speaker 3: to hear from you. What if you are as he said, Matt,

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Speaker 3: you are generational wealth. And in this case it is

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Speaker 3: defined as a percentage off the top of a proven

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Speaker 3: natural resource. Right, and then your percentage becomes a function

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Speaker 3: or magnified by the current estimates of how much fossil

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Speaker 3: fuel or how much insert resource here is present right

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Speaker 3: the proven reserves. And then you have to play a

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Speaker 3: little bit of arcane math and do some gaming with

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Speaker 3: the price to Knowle's point about those reserves right over time.

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Speaker 3: So if you have somehow a small percentage or we

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Speaker 3: would call it a deal point on some kick ass

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Speaker 3: oil fields, whatever you're poisoning is there, then the value

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Speaker 3: the rest of the world assigns to those reserves can

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Speaker 3: have a tremendous influence on what is seen as your

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Speaker 3: observable wealth or value, But it's still not quite the

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Speaker 3: same thing. Like, nobody has a briefcase right now with

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Speaker 3: the trillion dollars in it, because it's super inconvenient. You

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Speaker 3: would have to check that when you fly.

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Speaker 2: Imagine that that would be the size of the Chrystler building.

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Speaker 4: I can't even possibly imagine the physical manifestation of that

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Speaker 4: much money. Do you guys have a of any thoughts

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Speaker 4: around though the whole diplomacy aspect of like you know who,

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Speaker 4: to what degree do individuals with this amount of money,

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Speaker 4: you know, receive deference from the elon musks and presidents

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Speaker 4: and you know other billionaires of the world, And how

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Speaker 4: are they able to stay so anonymous?

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Speaker 3: Well, the real advantages at that threshold, at only hypothetically,

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Speaker 3: would be things like privacy, right, one of the immensely

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Speaker 3: eroded resources of our time. We talked about this in

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Speaker 3: the past. The second big difference is to your question access.

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Speaker 3: So if you are past a certain financial threshold and

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Speaker 3: you say, you watch something on TV, right, and you

551
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Speaker 3: hear something on the radio and you say, I want

552
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Speaker 3: to meet that person. You know, this Mariah Carey seems

553
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: like a real up and comer. Then you can just

554
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Speaker 3: have your people get you on the phone with Mariah Carey.

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Speaker 3: If you like a good stock, you can just have

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Speaker 3: your people get you on the phone with whomever is

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Speaker 3: in charge of that stock. The access is one of

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Speaker 3: the primary operational differences up there with privacy. It is

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Speaker 3: entirely possible and plausible to seek to hide, hide, or

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Speaker 3: distribute wealth such that you don't become a public figure, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: God forbid an icon. It for class struggle.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I guess you know some of the folks

563
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Speaker 4: over here that have become figureheads of the companies that

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Speaker 4: maybe generated so much wealth of them, many of them

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Speaker 4: desire that limelight or it's too late for them to

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Speaker 4: bow out of the public guide.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I mentioned a few weeks back. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's this struggle people arrive at. I can't remember whether

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Speaker 3: this is on air, there's a struggle people arrive at

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Speaker 3: in our distry, even where you have to ask yourself,

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Speaker 3: do I pursue, you know, approval, the power of being

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Speaker 3: publicly known, or do I go more c suite do

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Speaker 3: I become an executive, right who moves behind the throne?

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a delima there, right, because

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Speaker 3: sometimes those things can be mutually exclusive, or we could

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Speaker 3: argue that because clearly, for instance, not to dunk on

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Speaker 3: them too hard. Again, But Elon Musk made the decision

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Speaker 3: to be a public figure because there is power in

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Speaker 3: public attention, the kind of wealth. That's true if it'll work.

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Speaker 4: Well, and it's a two way street. I mean, because

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Speaker 4: as we know, it seems like Elon Musk made a

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Speaker 4: lot of groundwork to have the kind of influence that

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Speaker 4: he's been handed. But it would also seem that wielding

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Speaker 4: that influence has not necessarily been directly good for his

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Speaker 4: bottom line because of how public it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting that somebody with that kind of

587
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Speaker 2: wealth and power could give you a call. As you're saying, Ben,

588
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: there people just get a hold of you, and all

589
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: you hear on the phone is person X is interested

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Speaker 2: in what you're doing and would like to contribute. And

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Speaker 2: everybody or you know, in the operation of whatever you're doing,

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Speaker 2: here's that and says, oh, that's millions of dollars at

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Speaker 2: least we need to take that call and then what

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Speaker 2: does that? How does how could that potentially shape what

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Speaker 2: is being done?

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Speaker 3: Right, mister Gibson, I have a huge, fat, no lethal weapon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for making the time today on the yacht

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Speaker 3: rig Yeah, people can get touched.

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Speaker 2: Yep. All right, Well there you go, guys. Thank you

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00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: so much, Big Randy. We're giving us that little thought experiment.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sergeant Riggs.

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00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned with a follow up to our

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Speaker 3: earlier episode on the Manchester Pusher. The Manchester Pusher Please

606
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Speaker 3: do check out the episode if you have a yet.

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Speaker 3: The Manchester Pusher is an allegation or theory similar to

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Speaker 3: the one we see in the Smiley Face murders. The

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Speaker 3: concept is that in the Greater Manchester area many people,

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Speaker 3: often dudes right, who have fallen into canals or drowned

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Speaker 3: and their body's been found in a canal. The idea

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Speaker 3: is that they are purposely being murdered by some sort

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Speaker 3: of active serial killer or killers. The official explanation, which

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00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: has always been pretty consistent by the way, is that

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Speaker 3: no these are drowning and maybe people were intoxicated through

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Speaker 3: a drug or alcohol, or maybe the weather was bad

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Speaker 3: and they simply slipped. This was a controversial phenomenon to cover,

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Speaker 3: to explore, and we want to thank everybody who took

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Speaker 3: the time to write to us regarding this. I don't

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Speaker 3: know about you, guys, but I was absolutely astonished to

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Speaker 3: find just how many people reached out and directly contacted us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there lots of great messages about this episode.

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Speaker 3: So we'd like to share just a couple of these. One,

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Speaker 3: you know, one we can start with. We mentioned some

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Speaker 3: of these in a previous Listener Mail segment. One that

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Speaker 3: we can start with, however, is another thing. I had

627
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Speaker 3: teased this for a while. Law enforcement in Manchester contacted us.

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Speaker 3: We'll give them anonymity, but they contacted us with a

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Speaker 3: lot of great information. I'm thinking maybe we can read

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Speaker 3: just a little bit of this message from a local

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Speaker 3: police constable. Okay, GMP Bobby writes to us and says, hello, loves,

632
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Speaker 3: there's a photo of me at work. I work for

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Speaker 3: the GMP, And without getting two into the weeds, this

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Speaker 3: person did prove their bona fides to us, and GMP

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Speaker 3: Bobby says, I love this episode. I've been meaning to

636
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Speaker 3: send you an email for some time to discuss the pusher.

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Speaker 3: I know a few months ago you discussed a similar

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Speaker 3: thing in a city in the US. Camp for the

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Speaker 3: life of me, remember which. Look, I can't pretend I

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00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: have even come close to working for Major Investigation Team MIT.

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00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: Different MIT, the unit that would investigate murders and the like. However,

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00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: I work on the City of Manchester Central District. This

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00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: covers the city center and the areas with the highest

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Speaker 3: volume of nighttime economy. The pusher is the sort of

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00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: theory that a lot of us in the GMP like

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Speaker 3: to talk about a lot, and we'll pass the mic

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00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: here Matt, GMP Bobby is responding to some questions we

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Speaker 3: raised about closed circuit television.

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Speaker 2: It continues, I just want to clear some things up. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there is a lot of CCTV. It actually isn't that

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Speaker 2: hard to get. The majority of CCTV in the city

652
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: center is covered by the local authority. Almost all businesses

653
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: will supply CCTV with a simple form for information disclosure,

654
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: so that really isn't a problem. We also had the

655
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: powers to seize CCTV if someone is being obstructive. CCTV, however,

656
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: does not cover vast parts of the canals. The majority

657
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: of the canals in the city center do have railings

658
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: to prevent this sort of thing. However, once you leave

659
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: the city center there are no barriers. The canals span

660
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: miles and miles of the Greater Manchester area. Railing all

661
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: of them would cost a bloody fortune. Also, there would

662
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: be some arguments for the barge boat owners. I dare say, which.

663
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: We encounter later, and some other correspondence. Now, gee, Bobby

664
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: moves on to walk us through encountering a canal. Noel,

665
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 3: do you want to hit us with this one?

666
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: For sure? The canals can be the quickest way if

667
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: you are a pedestrian to leave the city. And if

668
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: you're pissed up, I guess that means drunk and your

669
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: phone has died, So no GPS the easiest way to

670
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: navigate to your house. It would be tempting, but also

671
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: you'd be an idiot. I live in a suburb on

672
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 4: a canal. I have often walked to the city along

673
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: the canal. It can be nice on a good day

674
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 4: when it's well lit. They are very dark at night, however,

675
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: unbelievably dark. The canals are also used a lot by

676
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: criminals or people cruising. They are also used a lot

677
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 4: by lads wanting to take a piss on a weekend night.

678
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: I imagine that actually means urinating into the canals. Some

679
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: areas of the canals are steep, very steep. If you

680
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: hit that cold water drunk, you ain't getting out Once

681
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: the panic sets, in.

682
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: Which we appreciate the confirmation Bobby of something we were

683
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 3: discussing on that episode. Bobby continues to talk about the demographic,

684
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: the demographic commonalities of the victims. One of my favorite

685
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: lines there is I would say males tend to be

686
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: the ones to choose to walk home from a drunken

687
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: night out. But of course I would say that I'm

688
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: a cop d And so we got this in depth report.

689
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: I do want to share a few final pieces of

690
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 3: this correspondence. And as you guys know, I corresponded directly

691
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: with this person and many other people who wrote to us,

692
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: and in every single case we received a lot of support.

693
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: We received a lot of people who have their own

694
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: details and experiences surrounding this. So you are primary sources

695
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: there in Manchester, and if you wrote to us, thank you.

696
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: Here's one thing Bobby wants all of us to know

697
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: at home. Bobby continues, Whilst you are correct and that

698
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: we are massively underfunded, we do go out of our way.

699
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: I have attended no end of jobs as a response

700
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: cop of people falling in. By the time we arrived,

701
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: usually in minutes, the person is already out with a

702
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: blanket and a cup of tea. Likewise, a lot of

703
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 3: jobs come in with reports of bodies in the water.

704
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: These are taken very seriously, even if it ends up

705
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: just being get this guy's garbage floating about.

706
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: I can imagine seeing something in the waters down there

707
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: if it's that dark. Yeah, as Bobby's describing, it's like

708
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: I should probably call someone.

709
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you do? You know if you saw

710
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: this at it's three in the morning or something. Are

711
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 3: you going to run over there to the canal?

712
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: You're going to dial nine nine nine or whatever the

713
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: thing is.

714
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: It's totally escaping to me where I heard this, but

715
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: it was definitely in like a British comedy where someone

716
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 4: referred to a kind of a low life element as

717
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: the type the hangaround canals. Interesting and I had never

718
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: quite got that reference until now.

719
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, guys, I was going to make a reference

720
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: to Skyrim. You know that that city center that has

721
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: the canals, and yeah.

722
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: And Skyrim still slaps what's the what's the bar?

723
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: Where the the something flaggering flagging? There's the ragged flags,

724
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 4: the ragged flagging flagging.

725
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: I've played this game too often, right, Uh? So Bobby

726
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: continues and says, Look, no police officer wants to end

727
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: up in coroner's court for not doing their job. Which

728
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 3: Bobby also, we didn't know that was a thing. Uh

729
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: And Bobby says, we're not perfect. I do believe we

730
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: all try our very best, especially when it comes to

731
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: investigations that involve a death or an accident or otherwise.

732
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: So Bobby says something really diplomatic here, I, by no

733
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: means want to diminish the worries and concerns of those

734
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: people who have lost loved ones. There is an if

735
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: there is a conspiracy, I am not privy to that,

736
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: and I have not watch the documentaries. I love this

737
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: phrase too much, like a bus man's holiday for me,

738
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: but I may very well do so. Now, had you

739
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: guys ever heard the phrase bus man's holiday?

740
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 6: No?

741
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so neither we wrote to ask about it. And

742
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: apparently a bus man's holiday is meaning that you are

743
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: on vacation, but you still do your job. So it's

744
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: sort of I guess a comparison of that would be

745
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: us taking a day off from podcasting just to listen

746
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: to podcasts.

747
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 4: Sure, also the way we take vacation in general.

748
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: Just yeah, And with this we we won't have time

749
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: to get to all of the rest of the correspondence,

750
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: but we we got some great hot fuzz references. We

751
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: got people who noted there are similar theories in Bristol,

752
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: a nearby a nearby area also riddled with canals, And

753
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: we got a lot of requests you guys to go

754
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: to a live show in Manchester. What do we say? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,

755
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 3: football Club oh Man, which we mentioned, yeah, Chester United, Yeah, man.

756
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: You I keep seeing an image of what is it?

757
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 2: What is the title, Bobby? What is Bobby's title?

758
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: GMP, Bob, GMP Bobby.

759
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 2: Did you guys watch the show the Fall?

760
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: Yes?

761
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: Are you aware of that one? I see Jillian Anderson talking?

762
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, now, before we wrap up, we had

763
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: a lot of questions on various social media platforms and

764
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: emails and so on regarding why we had a string

765
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: of classic episodes. We talked about this recently, but one

766
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: thing we did promise our friends and family over on.

767
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. Our Facebook page is that

768
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: we had a lot of fart jokes. So to close

769
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: out tonight's listener mail, if we may, we'd like to,

770
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: instead of letters from home, send you some fart jokes

771
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 3: that we're really proud of, slash ashamed of. Yes, yeah, okay,

772
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 3: we'll keep it all right, All right, here we go. Hey, guys,

773
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: why should you never fart on an elevator?

774
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 4: Many reasons. It's it's very rude.

775
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: It's wrong on so many levels.

776
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, yes, related one. Yeah, guys, I just

777
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: released my own fragrance. Nobody on the elevator seemed to

778
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: like it.

779
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: They didn't care for it.

780
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: Speak of parallel thinking. Here's when Tennessee pal Uh said,

781
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: as well, be careful with this joke. It's an antique,

782
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: but we love it. Guys. What do you call a

783
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: teacher who doesn't fart in public? I think you can

784
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: fear this one out a teacher.

785
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: I think I got it in public.

786
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: I don't think I got it. I'm farting up the

787
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: wrong tree with this one. Guys, what do you got.

788
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: They're a p I have?

789
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 4: It is damn your eyes.

790
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: Hey, what do you call it? What a king farts?

791
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: Noble gas?

792
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: That's a science too, Yes, it's on the table, fellas.

793
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: What's the stinkiest kind of jacket you can wear?

794
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: Hold on?

795
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 4: Hello?

796
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: Oh? Oh uh? What is it?

797
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 4: A windbreaker? I was going to say a pea coat.

798
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: That's different. That's a different kind.

799
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: Of No, I get it. I like it. Let's keep

800
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: both of those. Hey, what do you call it? Cow's fart?

801
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: Methane?

802
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: All right? Good, good, good dairy air.

803
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: Oh, m Aird.

804
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 4: There's no god.

805
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: This is my last one.

806
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 4: This is proof positive of this. Guys, this there's no god.

807
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 7: Uh.

808
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: Why is it strictly prohibited to pass gas in an

809
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: apple store? Why is that no windows?

810
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: That's great? Okay? One last week? Oh I had another

811
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: fart joke, but I blew it. Okay, So anyway, we'll

812
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: need to hear folks. Yes, we hope this message finds well.

813
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: Amid grand adventure this evening, we'll be back with more episodes,

814
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: more strange news. We used to tell more fart jokes,

815
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: but everyone told us they stink. So find us online,

816
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: find us via email, find us via telephonic device. Just

817
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 3: hit us up on the Internet where nothing smells.

818
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's true. You can find us all over

819
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 4: said odorless, colorless Internet at the handle Conspiracy Stuff where

820
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 4: we exist on XPKA, Twitter, on Facebook with our Facebook group.

821
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy, where the fart jokes are flowing,

822
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: are wafting whatever. And you can also find that handle

823
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 4: on YouTube. We have video content galore for YouTube. Enjoy

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00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: on Instagram and TikTok. However, we are Conspiracy Stuff Show.

825
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

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Speaker 2: three st d w y t K. When you call in,

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Speaker 2: a cool nickname, and let us know within the message

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00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: Why not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

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00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,879
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