WEBVTT - Hans and Sophie Scholl: A Call to Action

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<v Speaker 1>The construction of American exceptionalism would have us believe that

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<v Speaker 1>America has always taken the moral high ground, and that

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<v Speaker 1>it has always acted flawlessly in its pursuit of liberty.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.

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<v Speaker 1>But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to

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<v Speaker 1>flout international norms and the rule of law. It is

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<v Speaker 1>our willingness to affirm them through our actions. The ideals

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<v Speaker 1>of American greatness and superiority require us to believe in

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<v Speaker 1>an America that is good, just, and benevolent. That America

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<v Speaker 1>is unique in that it's built differently. I, an American,

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<v Speaker 1>have seen the myths of exceptionalism unraveled by the realities

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<v Speaker 1>of American injustices, America's similarities to other countries, American hypocrisy,

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<v Speaker 1>and American distortions of history. Slavery happened in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Eugenics programs in the United States inspired ones in Nazi Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Concentration and interment camps have been sites of persecution for

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous people, black people, Japanese people, immigrants, and dissidents in

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<v Speaker 1>US history. The exaltation of America's values, status, and rarity

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<v Speaker 1>does it not change the truth of the history and

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<v Speaker 1>present of the United States. America's redeeming qualities cannot paper

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<v Speaker 1>over the crimes and moral failings the country has been

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<v Speaker 1>complicit in. The U S is very good at leaving

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<v Speaker 1>misdeeds unacknowledged. It's perfected the art of saying we're not

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as them or better, yet saying what we

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<v Speaker 1>did was justified and we're still above everyone else. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Americans have no problem saying that the past

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<v Speaker 1>stays in the past and we can only get better

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<v Speaker 1>by looking forward completely ignoring causality, denialism, and revisionism keeps

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<v Speaker 1>folks in states of ignorance or comfort. America is so

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<v Speaker 1>often unexceptional. There have been many instances where people have

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<v Speaker 1>had to pressure America into being exceptional. There will never

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<v Speaker 1>be a time when the US or whatever country you

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<v Speaker 1>live in, will be perfect or above making poor decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>There will always be a need for dissenters, for protesters

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<v Speaker 1>and rebels who hold a mirror up to society and

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<v Speaker 1>remind us that we are capable of choosing differently. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>each deaf coote and this is unpopular A show about

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<v Speaker 1>people who didn't let the threat of persecution keep them

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<v Speaker 1>from speaking truth to power. Germany was under the oppressive

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<v Speaker 1>rule of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three to nineteen forty five. During this period, called

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi Germany or the Third Reich, the country was subject

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<v Speaker 1>to totalitarianism, propaganda, militant and racist foreign policy, suppression of

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<v Speaker 1>rights and opposition, and genocide. Millions of people died in

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<v Speaker 1>the Holocaust and many more were persecuted, displaced, and traumatized.

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<v Speaker 1>The scale and reach that the Holocaust had was huge.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nazis doled out terror and depravity in so many

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<v Speaker 1>different ways, but anti Nazi resistance was strong too, and

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<v Speaker 1>it came from many different angles. People protested and fought

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazi regime on spiritual, economic, political, or moral basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Some helped Jewish people hide from the Nazis and took

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<v Speaker 1>risks to rescue Jewish people. Some focused on raising awareness

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<v Speaker 1>about the vileness and cruelty of the regime. Others planned

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<v Speaker 1>to assassinate Hitler. Resistance forts were active inside Germany and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>The totalitarian state was powerful, fearsome, and brutal, and survival

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<v Speaker 1>alone was hard enough for the many people being persecuted

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe at the time, but organized and disorganized action

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<v Speaker 1>against the Nazis did happen, from the efforts of individuals

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<v Speaker 1>like Otto and Alisa Hampel, who left postcards denouncing the

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<v Speaker 1>regime in public places, to the resistance of White Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>a non violent anti Nazi resistance group that formed in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty two. This is where today's resistors Hans and

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<v Speaker 1>his younger sister's official come in. The brother and sister duo,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Christoph Props, Billy Groth, and Alexander Schmarrill, founded

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<v Speaker 1>the so called White Rose movement. The group disseminated leaflets

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<v Speaker 1>that denounced the Nazis and attempted to renew the quote

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<v Speaker 1>severely wounded German spirit. The some groups did aspire to

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<v Speaker 1>overthrow Hitler's regime, many others were not as revolutionary, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're sure only military might could topple the current order.

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<v Speaker 1>The Shoals have become disillusioned with the regime and recognized

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<v Speaker 1>the necessity of opposing it. So they did just that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they called on other people to do the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how their awareness turned into action. Zophie and Hans

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<v Speaker 1>were born to Robert and Magdalena Shoal. Robert was a

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<v Speaker 1>mayor at the time of Zophie's birth, though he later

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<v Speaker 1>lost that position. Both he and Magdalena opposed Hitler, who

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<v Speaker 1>put the propaganda machine to work and was able to

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<v Speaker 1>get a bunch of people behind him and his image

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<v Speaker 1>by drawing division, taking advantage of people's vulnerabilities and prejudices,

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<v Speaker 1>and making people believe that he was putting Germany first

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<v Speaker 1>and that they could win World War Two. Beyond all

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<v Speaker 1>the enthusiastic support he received from adults, Hitler also strove

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<v Speaker 1>to indoctrinate young Germans with allegiance to National Socialism a

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<v Speaker 1>k a. Nazism, So, despite their parents encouragement of critical

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<v Speaker 1>thinking and opposition to the regime, Hans ended up joining

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<v Speaker 1>the Hitler Youth, the Nazi Party's youth organization designed to

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<v Speaker 1>brainwash boys and young men with Nazi ideology and send

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<v Speaker 1>them to war, and Sophie joined the League of German Girls,

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<v Speaker 1>the equivalent indoctrinating body for girls and young women. They

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<v Speaker 1>were part of the Nazi bandwagon, believing that Hitler and

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<v Speaker 1>his ideology would advance the nation. Hans even became a

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<v Speaker 1>squad leader of his young Vaulk Unit something to keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind. Hitler was at this time espousing the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of a master race, its superiority and its entitlement to

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<v Speaker 1>expand into more territories. But their involvement in the Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>Party did not last long. They had grown distrustful of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazis and frustrated with the forced discipline and conformity.

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<v Speaker 1>A book by hans favorite author Stefan Zwag was banned

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<v Speaker 1>by the Nazis. Hans even broke off from the Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>youth organization Informed, one of his own, which was later

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<v Speaker 1>banned because its activities were considered subversive. His discontent was growing. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>Zophie was unhappy with school curriculum, which was centered around

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<v Speaker 1>promoting Nazi ideology. She once wrote, sometimes school seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a film to me. I look on, but for all

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<v Speaker 1>intents and purposes, I'm excluded from performing. Zophie, Hans, and

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<v Speaker 1>their siblings Inga and Verner were all either questioned, arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>or jailed for taking actions that were forbidden by the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 1>like freely exchanging opinions, and the siblings father Robert, continued

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<v Speaker 1>to push back against Nazi policy through small acts of resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>like listening to outlawed radio stations that gave war reports

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<v Speaker 1>that nationalized stations did not. Sophie was required to serve

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<v Speaker 1>six months in the Reich National Labor Service, and in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one she began working as an attendant in

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<v Speaker 1>a kindergarten attached to a munitions factory. While there, she

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to ideological training sessions. Hans was also

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<v Speaker 1>losing faith in the regime's commitment to bettering Germany. He

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<v Speaker 1>built roade for the Autobahn under the National Labor Service,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went on to join the army in study medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>While a soldier on the Eastern Front, he witnessed Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>terrorism of Jewish people and heard of the massive deportations

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<v Speaker 1>to concentration camps. On top of this, in nineteen forty two,

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<v Speaker 1>his father was sentenced to four months in prison for

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<v Speaker 1>professing to a colleague his hatred of the Nazi regime.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Hans returned from war, his disillusionment, dislike

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<v Speaker 1>of Nazi ideology, and consciousness of the horrors of concentration

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<v Speaker 1>camps all piled on one another to inspire his anti

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi resistance. The Grand Facade of Hitler's better Germany and

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<v Speaker 1>better world had dissolved for Zophie too. When we get

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<v Speaker 1>back from the break, we'll get into Hans and Zophie's

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<v Speaker 1>risky resistance efforts. Tons of Germans supported Hitler and wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazi wave right into the Holocaust. Those were not

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<v Speaker 1>just extremists and power hungry politicians, but your regular townsfolk

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<v Speaker 1>to shop owners, doctors, teachers. Hitler gained support through indoctrination, terror, propaganda, coercion,

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<v Speaker 1>ideological pandering, personality, cult building, and exploiting and dismantling systems.

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<v Speaker 1>People who are already vulnerable, impressionable, polarized, or disillusioned can

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<v Speaker 1>be easily influenced into taking a morally questionable stance. The

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<v Speaker 1>status quo can change in an instant, even if it's

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<v Speaker 1>taken years to get to a point, say one where

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<v Speaker 1>gay marriage is legal or children are being forcefully separated

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<v Speaker 1>from their parents by the state. Major changes will happen

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<v Speaker 1>during our lifetime and will be presented with an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to either embrace the change or not. Hans and Zophie

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<v Speaker 1>at first joined the masses who were receptive of Nazism

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<v Speaker 1>and supported Hitler's vision as they dove deeper into the

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<v Speaker 1>ideology and were exposed to the horrible, brutal reality of

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<v Speaker 1>its extremity. They realized that it did not align with

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<v Speaker 1>their worldview, and they chose to rejected. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>went beyond rejecting the new status quo of fascism, racism

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<v Speaker 1>and extreme nationalism to raise others awareness and push them

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<v Speaker 1>toward resistance. The degeneration of Germany under Nazism is a

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<v Speaker 1>serious and drastic shift in society. It's the type of

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<v Speaker 1>change that seems impossible before it's happening, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of figuring out how to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But as history has proven, these kinds of unfathomable changes

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<v Speaker 1>do happen. They happen all over the world. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no place that is above reproach. In early twentieth century Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>the status quo quickly became genocide and oppression. There were

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<v Speaker 1>those who welcomed or condoned the new normal, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there were those who chose to challenge and disrupt it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hans was studying medicine at the University of Munich. There

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<v Speaker 1>he linked up with other people who questioned Nazi ideology,

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<v Speaker 1>including Christoph Popes Alexander Schmorell and Billy Groth Court Ubert,

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<v Speaker 1>a professor at the university, inserted veiled criticism of the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis and his lectures and his classes also became a

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<v Speaker 1>point of congregation for students who opposed the regime. The

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<v Speaker 1>group of students that held anti Nazi discussions and meetings

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<v Speaker 1>became known as the White Rose. For reasons that remain unclear,

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<v Speaker 1>Hans emerged as a leader of the group Tauta. The Friends,

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<v Speaker 1>Lela Ramdar and Jesula Schertling also soon became involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the White Rose group. But facilitating political and intellectual discussion

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<v Speaker 1>groups was not enough in the face of Nazi persecution

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<v Speaker 1>and execution of Jewish people, Pish people, gay people, people

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<v Speaker 1>with disabilities, and others deemed unfit or inferior to the

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<v Speaker 1>so called Master race. The Nazis were also executing communists

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<v Speaker 1>and people who resisted the regime. Though the group was

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<v Speaker 1>at first about the Friends shared interests in things like art, music, literature,

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<v Speaker 1>and philosophy, the oppression, crimes and atrocities perpetrated by the

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<v Speaker 1>government were unavoidable. The Friends could not ignore the deterioration

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<v Speaker 1>of society under Nazi rule. In favor of remaining loyal

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<v Speaker 1>to Germany. In n years after World War Two and

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the White Rose, Jurgen Wittenstein said that

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<v Speaker 1>it was not good enough to keep to oneself one's

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs and ethical standards, but that the time had come

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<v Speaker 1>to act. The group got ahold of a secondhand duplicating machine,

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<v Speaker 1>a typewriter, printing paper, and stencils. In June of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty two, they began producing leaflets called Leaves of the

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<v Speaker 1>White Rose that called out the regime for brutality and

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<v Speaker 1>encourage people to resist. Here's a translation of part of

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<v Speaker 1>the first leaflet. If the German people are already so

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<v Speaker 1>corrupted and spiritually crushed that they do not raise a

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<v Speaker 1>hand frivolously trusting in a questionable faith in lawful order

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<v Speaker 1>of history, If they surrender man's highest principle, that which

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<v Speaker 1>raises him above all other God's creatures, his free will,

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<v Speaker 1>If they abandoned the will to take decisive action and

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<v Speaker 1>turn the wheel of history, and thus subjected to their

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<v Speaker 1>own rational decision, If they are so devoid of all individuality,

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<v Speaker 1>have already gone so far along the road towards turning

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<v Speaker 1>into a spiritless and cowardly mass, then yes, they deserve

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<v Speaker 1>their downfall. The leaflet also urged people to offer passive

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<v Speaker 1>resistance to quote forestall the spread of this atheistic war

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<v Speaker 1>machine before it is too late. There were literary and

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<v Speaker 1>historical allusions in the text. They wanted people to recognize

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<v Speaker 1>the catastrophe that was Nazism, to reject indifference in silence,

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<v Speaker 1>and take action against Nazi ideology and warfare. And the

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<v Speaker 1>text asked people to make copies of the leaflet and

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<v Speaker 1>distribute them. After Zophie enrolled at the University of Munich

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<v Speaker 1>in mid nineteen forty two, she found out about the

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<v Speaker 1>leaflets and White Rose and decided to join the effort.

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<v Speaker 1>The first four leaflets were written in June and July

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen forty two. The White Rose mailed the leaflets

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<v Speaker 1>to people in Germany, put them in telephone boxes, and

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<v Speaker 1>took them via train two cities outside of Munich. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of the leaflets were turned over to the Gestapo or

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<v Speaker 1>the secret State police, who were becoming more concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>the effect the content have on Germans. The people in

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<v Speaker 1>the White Roads were also using graffiti to express their

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<v Speaker 1>opposition to the regime, Painting graffiti on buildings in Munich

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<v Speaker 1>that said things like freedom and down with Hitler. Students

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<v Speaker 1>in Berlin, Friburg, Hamburg and Vienna heated the call to

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<v Speaker 1>protest the regime and helped spread the resistance. After the break,

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<v Speaker 1>Hans and Sophie, like many others in the Nazi resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>are caught. The last two leaflets were labeled as leaflets

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<v Speaker 1>of the Resistance Movement of Germany and written in early

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<v Speaker 1>nine By this point, the Gestapo considered the leaflet a

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<v Speaker 1>huge problem and we're investigating involvement in the White Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the University of Munich there was an apparent

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<v Speaker 1>spirit of rebellion. So on February eighth, nineteen, Hans and

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie took a big risk in deciding to distribute leaflets

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the university. They put stacks of the sixth leaflet

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<v Speaker 1>in the school's hallways and through the leftover leaflets off

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<v Speaker 1>the top of a staircase and into the entrance hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands of copies of White Rose leaflets had been passed

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<v Speaker 1>out by this point, but this action was the one

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<v Speaker 1>that would get Hans and Sophie captured. Jacob Smid, a

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<v Speaker 1>janitor at the university spotted them distributing the leaflets, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were turned into the Gestapo. Christoph Props was also

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<v Speaker 1>arrested when a draft of a leaflet he wrote was

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<v Speaker 1>found in Hans's pocket. Hans, Sophie, and Christoph stood trial

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<v Speaker 1>at Munich's Palace of Justice on February, just four days

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<v Speaker 1>after they passed out the leaflets at the university. They

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<v Speaker 1>were all found guilty of high treason. Judge Holland Freisler

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<v Speaker 1>sat the following. The accused have, by means of leaflets,

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<v Speaker 1>in a time of war, called for the sabotage of

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<v Speaker 1>the war effort and armaments, and for the overthrow of

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<v Speaker 1>the national socialist way of life of our people, have

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<v Speaker 1>propagated defeatist ideas, and have most vulgarly to fame the

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<v Speaker 1>for thereby giving aid to the enemy of the Reich

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<v Speaker 1>and weakening the armed security of the nation. On this

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<v Speaker 1>account they are to be punished by death. Their honor

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<v Speaker 1>and rights as citizens are forfeited for all time. The

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<v Speaker 1>two show siblings and Christoph were executed by guillotine hours

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<v Speaker 1>after they were sentenced to death. Other people involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the White Rose for Existance were arrested and executed, including

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<v Speaker 1>court uber Billy Groff and Alexander Schmorell. After the sixth

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<v Speaker 1>White Rose Leaflet was smuggled out of Germany, Allied forces

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<v Speaker 1>intercepted them and dropped copies over Germany. Germany didn't surrender

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<v Speaker 1>in World War Two until May of nineteen Hans Zophie

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<v Speaker 1>and the White Rose Leaflets were a small part of

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<v Speaker 1>the larger resistance to Nazi domination. Their denouncement of the

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<v Speaker 1>regime and exposure of its atrocities helped create a network

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<v Speaker 1>of agitators who refused to stay silent while Germany descended

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<v Speaker 1>into depravity. The White Roses sixth leaflet proclaimed a day

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<v Speaker 1>of reckoning. It said this freedom and honor. For ten

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<v Speaker 1>long years, Hitler and his coadjutor have manhandled, squeezed, twisted,

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<v Speaker 1>and debased these two splendid German words to the point

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<v Speaker 1>of nausea, as only dilettants can casting the highest values

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<v Speaker 1>of a nation before swine. They have sufficiently demonstrated in

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<v Speaker 1>the ten years of destruction of all material and intellectual freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>of all moral substance among the German people what they

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<v Speaker 1>understand by freedom and honor. The frightful bloodbath has opened

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes of even the stupidest German. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>slaughter which they arranged in the name of freedom and

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<v Speaker 1>honor of the German nation throughout Europe, in which they

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<v Speaker 1>daily start anew. The name of Germany is dishonored for

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<v Speaker 1>all time. If German youth does not finally rise, take

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<v Speaker 1>revenge and a tone, smash its tormentors and set up

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<v Speaker 1>a new Europe of the spirit. Students, the German people

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<v Speaker 1>look to us, as in eighteen thirteen the people expected

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<v Speaker 1>us to shake off the Napoleonic yoke, so in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty three they look to us to break the national

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<v Speaker 1>socialist terror through the power of the spirit. Berezina and

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<v Speaker 1>staling Grod are burning in the east. The dead of

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<v Speaker 1>Stalin Grod implore us to take action. Up up by people,

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<v Speaker 1>Let smoke and flame be our sign. It is clear

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<v Speaker 1>that beyond being motivated by the restriction of their personal freedoms,

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<v Speaker 1>Hans and Zophie felt responsible to help in the horror

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<v Speaker 1>of Nazi rule for the sake of people's futures. Society

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<v Speaker 1>had reached a tipping point, and they were compelled to

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<v Speaker 1>act and call others to action. Zophie and Hans risked

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<v Speaker 1>their lives to dissent and sadly died young. Though their

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<v Speaker 1>lives were cut short before their activism could incite widespread

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<v Speaker 1>and active opposition against the regime, they left behind a

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<v Speaker 1>legacy of resisting despite odds, and a model for encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>collective action. Hans Zophie and White rose you direct action

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<v Speaker 1>tactics to affect change from where they stood. The message

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to contribute to the resistance rather than

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<v Speaker 1>sit back and find out what the world will become

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<v Speaker 1>if you do nothing at all. Our producer is Andrew Howard.

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