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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contained spoilers for Daredevil Born Again season

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Speaker 1: one episodes five and six. Be warned.

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Speaker 2: We won.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jas Consocio and I'm Rosie Nike and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x Ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we have deep and to your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 1: of pop culture Company for Myra Podcasts, where we're bringing

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Speaker 1: you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, plus

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Speaker 1: a little chunk of news on the weekends.

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Speaker 2: Your little nut news that's why you get it every Saturday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are talking about Dad Evil Born

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Speaker 2: Again episodes five and six.

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Speaker 4: Whoo, what a show this is.

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Speaker 2: We will be breaking down everything you need to know

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Speaker 2: as well all the things you might have missed.

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Speaker 1: But first episode one five followed by one oh six

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Speaker 1: of Daredevil Born Again. It's Saint Patti's day in New York,

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Speaker 1: Big day in New York. Big that is at the

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Speaker 1: Bank New York Mutual Downtown in the Financial district. Looks

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Speaker 1: to be somewhere around Maiden Lane in New York City,

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Speaker 1: helping him out as assistant bank manager. Yusef Khan, father

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Speaker 1: of course of our friend Kamala Khan and patriarch of

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Speaker 1: the of the Kan family. Yusef is very proud of

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Speaker 1: his daughter, as one would expect. She's a superhero bona fide,

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Speaker 1: tried and true superhero doing real superhero things. She's currently

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Speaker 1: quote out in LA with her friends.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in California with her friends aka beginning the West

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Speaker 2: Coast Avengers. That is probably also going to be the

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Speaker 2: Young Avengers, seeing as not all of them are very young.

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Speaker 4: Now we always thought they were going.

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Speaker 2: To combo those the younger the younger Avengers. We know

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Speaker 2: from Hawk that Kate Bishop's aunt has a compound in La,

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Speaker 2: which is you.

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Speaker 1: Know, realisticonomically the comics West Coast.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, which is then Brancho Palace Urde is unbelievably the

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Speaker 2: site of the Donald Trump golf course. That is the

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Speaker 2: address of the West Coast Avengee compound.

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Speaker 1: So yes, and currently undergoing a medium motion landslide the ocean.

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Speaker 1: May God strike that property.

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Speaker 2: No La knowledge is unquestioned.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yusef again very proud. He shows off a custom

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Speaker 1: Funko Pop. So Funko Pop exists in the MCU of Kamala,

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Speaker 1: and of course Matt cannot see that, so Yusuf is like, whoops, Matt,

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Speaker 1: is here because he's applying for a loan for Eminem

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Speaker 1: because they want to hire more lawyers, they want to

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Speaker 4: No, and also I pray fancy.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge and very sparsely like people like the

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Speaker 1: And then use it turns him down very politely, Matt Lee,

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Speaker 1: He's so polite, very polite. Then a van of Irish

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Speaker 1: gangsters pull up in order to rob the bank to

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Speaker 1: make up for the monies that Fisk and Vanessa have

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Speaker 1: have placed on the gangs because of this truck heist.

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Speaker 1: And the renuneration in the truck heist is one eight million,

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Speaker 1: and the gang needs to make that money up in

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Speaker 1: they take the bank employees hostagen. Of course, Matt hears

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Speaker 1: everybody who is very irish himself is like, everybody, shut up,

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Speaker 1: if you start doing that, then your chargers would increase,

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Speaker 1: so you don't want to do that, and the gangsters like,

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Speaker 1: will try that. He starts beating up Matt. Matt, here

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Speaker 1: Whatever that means, so they've prepared for this moment. Detective Kim,

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Speaker 2: She's basically just like, hey, man, hey, do what's man?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know what.

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Speaker 2: In the MCU, I'm like, don't you guys have more

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Speaker 1: There's normal people in there. True? Okay, So Detective Kim

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Speaker 1: himself Jesse James says, I need three armored cars for

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Speaker 1: show of trust, give us two hostages. So Jesse James

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Speaker 1: they start going, wait, like can't we go together and

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Speaker 1: that's fine. Now Jesse James is really annoyed at Matt

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Speaker 1: it's like, I'm from Hell's Kitchen in Hell's Kitchen, and

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Speaker 2: I love how when they do this they shouldn't up.

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Speaker 2: You're like, wow, Matt's background is so tragedy, is not

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Speaker 2: hilariously like over the top tragic. And then Jesse James

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Speaker 2: is like, just fucking take your hosband go, like sick

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Speaker 1: I know, so Yusuf gets escorted down to the vault.

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Speaker 1: The two hostages are released. Matt learns from another hostage

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Speaker 1: very specific, and this is all becoming very inside man,

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Speaker 1: uh the Spike Lee Bank robber epic. Matt is like,

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Speaker 1: Like the corner taken to the corner by the potted plant.

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Speaker 1: But he convinces one of the guys to take him

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Speaker 1: to use of sade knocks out yusif Sky. When Jesse

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Speaker 1: his natural Charlie Cox accent and it's like, don't worry,

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Speaker 1: watch and is like, Wow, mister Murdoch, this is amazing.

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Speaker 1: You've got so many talents, including mimicrying, including apparently like

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Speaker 2: I feel like the fact that Yusif's daughter is a superhero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, yeah, I've seen this stuff before. Matt

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Speaker 1: She like yeah, and she's like, anybody got a joke?

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Speaker 1: And it comes with the Irish jroke. Matt discovers that

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Speaker 1: And if you just like leave right now here, you

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about how I got it, but I got it,

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Speaker 1: and you can just go. And Jesse James is like, well,

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Speaker 1: Matt while this is happening, realizes that there's a lady

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Speaker 1: Jesse gives her the stone and is like, give this

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Speaker 1: to Luca, Luca of the Bad Jackets. Yeah. Matt then

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Speaker 1: Glaci's the ship out of that guy? Like he fucks

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Speaker 2: Like, did you need Frank Castle's permission or is he

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Speaker 2: this like caught very funny stuff.

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Speaker 1: The lady out on the street is like, let me

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Speaker 1: just take a look at this gem bag. It's feeling

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Speaker 1: And then uh, later Matt is like just basically returns

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Speaker 2: And I'm hilarious, Like just coming back to the back

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Speaker 1: You was like, you know what, you're a great guy.

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Speaker 1: Come to my house in Jersey City and we can

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Speaker 1: discuss ways in which to grow Eminem's revenue, you know,

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Speaker 1: without a bank loan. And when he leaves, Usuf discovers

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Speaker 1: It's about vigilantes. It's about a case study of psychological

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Speaker 1: You fucking did you run the city? And I'll deal

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Speaker 2: a Stanley s comic book thing? And I was like,

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00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: no one gets a second name in the show, but

434
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 2: maybe he will have a family member or something. But yes,

435
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 2: turns out the paint is made of human blood. I

436
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: wonder who could have painted that?

437
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 4: Jason.

438
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Matt is back at the office for once, discussing

439
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 1: case strategy with Kirsten when Hector's niece Angela comes in

440
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 1: and Matt's like, what is it like eleven forty five?

441
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: Should you be in school? Like what's going on?

442
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: Should be She's actual job, Matt murder like that.

443
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like, well, yeah, I've got I've got

444
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: something for you. My uncle was investigating something those missing

445
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: people the missing person's cases that nobody seems secure about,

446
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: which we the audience know is related to muse but

447
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: nobody else seems to know that. She's like, I want

448
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: you to pursue this, and it's what my uncle would

449
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: have wanted. And he seemed to think that all the

450
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: cases happened in the vicinity of, or related to this

451
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: specific abandoned subway station. And Matt's like, okay, this sounds

452
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: like a cop situation. And she was like, well, they

453
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: probably killed my uncle.

454
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: So I don't feel like absolutely wild thing for Matt

455
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: to tell her, just like a couple of episodes off

456
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: because she's like crying about her uncle was killed by

457
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 2: the cops. I'm like, Matthew, but also funny because I

458
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: do think again, like when she came and asked him this,

459
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is very much out of the remit

460
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: of a lawyer. Like this feels like she has an

461
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: inkling of what matt really.

462
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: Does, right, because as a lawyer, he does have to say,

463
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: like go to the police. Yeah, that's not my issue.

464
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: She is like, well, if you won't do something, I

465
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: may go down there myself.

466
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: Oh, don't check it out.

467
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: The paint is absolutely blood, Gallo tells Fisk and Gallo

468
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: Commissioner Gallows guess is that the body count for just

469
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: the mural is anywhere in the ballpark of like up

470
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: to sixty people blood for the mural. That's a huge amount.

471
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: If you don't think that comic books, you know, comic

472
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: books are crazy. If you don't think that Data of

473
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: All Born Again is doing a good job at making

474
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: it more realistic in the comics, it's one hundred people's bloot. Okay,

475
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: so here. They were like, let's make it a bit

476
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: more realistic.

477
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 4: He's killed sixty people.

478
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: Sixty people of disappear from the streets of Manhattan in

479
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: recent weeks.

480
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: I guess, one of them most prolific American serial killers

481
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: of all time time. And that's the case he's done.

482
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: That's just virals.

483
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: Also, I have to say his murals.

484
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: I don't want MWS to come and kill me. Obviously

485
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: fictional character, but just got to put out them. Not

486
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: trying to make the universe get me killed by a

487
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: graffiti serial killer. But the murals are pretty basic, like

488
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: you could have just done the mural.

489
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: I like the Fisk one. The Fisk is the best one.

490
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: That's the one where he's eating the butt of the well.

491
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: But the other ones, I agree with you, are like.

492
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: You could have just gotten some pain from like a

493
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: car shop, babe, like over or whatever, like go just

494
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: get some I don't know if you needed to drain

495
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: someone's blood.

496
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: Yes, the juice worth the squeeze, I guess for muses insane,

497
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: so for him, yes, yes. So by the way, Detective

498
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: Kim also on this case, she's she's the hostage negotiator

499
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: and she's like the lead investigator of the Muse case, like,

500
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: give this, give them my gall a break?

501
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: I know, could she like is she the only left?

502
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: And well they did say earlier in this series there's

503
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: a lot of time.

504
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

505
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: But also as well, I feel like if you are

506
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: the hostage negotiator, you probably also shouldn't be the serial

507
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: killer profiler, right, I feel like.

508
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: Like paperwork on the heist.

509
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: You know, also as well, I just want to say,

510
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, Aaron super producer, Aaron did just pop in

511
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: an important question because as it was a very controversial

512
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: topic during Agatha all along, Jason, who do you think

513
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: has killed more people? Muse or Agatha?

514
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Uh, well, technically Agatha because we will never know the

515
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: true number. Right, at least here we have hard science. Yeah, okay, true, true,

516
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: And well here you know what, I think it is

517
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: mused just because like in the modern day with where

518
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: people don't just like drop off the map and you're like, yeah,

519
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: I wonder what happened, and you know, like no one

520
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: looks for them, or that's fun in a hole full

521
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: of witches, you know, like, yeah, I think it's a

522
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: more impressive feat to go for sixty on one mural

523
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: in the modern era than it is to go for

524
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: probably seven agree with that hundred or certainly in the dozens.

525
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: For you know, I would say like, I'm glad you

526
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: clarified that because I am a believer. I'm definitely a

527
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: believer with the Agatha killed in the hundreds. But our

528
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: discord was very upset. They did not like to hear

529
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: that said about their beloved Agathaharkness.

530
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: Okay, so I think you're right. I think it's news.

531
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: And also I will say I agree with you because

532
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: I get that had to put in a lot of effort,

533
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: seeing as that was an era where people were just

534
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: like dropping off.

535
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 4: The map, dying of tuberculosis and.

536
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: Shap Yeah, the Bible just gying got a lot of effort.

537
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: There was a lot of news. He just got on

538
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: with it.

539
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: There was no fake song needed, no like weird lore.

540
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: He was just like, I'm going to kidnap some people

541
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: and drain their blood street.

542
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: So it's like in a full get up where it's

543
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: hard not to notice this guy and he's been doing it,

544
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: like really out, I'm impressed. Fisk, in the middle of

545
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: this meeting, begins to like laugh, He's he loves this

546
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: for some reason, He's like, listen, Gallo, let's keep this

547
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: whole thing quiet. Was like what He's like, oh yeah,

548
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: because here's here's my reasoning. If this goes to the press,

549
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Muse will just go underground. He'll be harder to catch.

550
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense, But we'll let Fisk cook.

551
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: That's fine.

552
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: But Friscus just like he's just like, yeah, I fucking

553
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: love this guy.

554
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: Like sounds great, like just like sounds hilarious. So he's like, yeah, yeah,

555
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: obviously go after him, but let's keep it quiet, and

556
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be clear that Fisk is going to use

557
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: this for something. Yeah, that night, Muse claims two more

558
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: victims just out in the street.

559
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 2: And this was like making doing a good job looking

560
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: like the Kingpin anymore, you're doing evil behavior.

561
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: So he claims too more victims. Meanwhile, Fisk tells Vanessa

562
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: about the meeting with Luca and the one million dollar

563
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Taxi puts on him. Clearly he's like trying to impress her,

564
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: like ha, old guys, still got it right. He then

565
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: is like, you know, being kingpin not that much different

566
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: than being the mayor, and Vanessa clearly is like getting

567
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: like that. She's like a charmed She's like, tell me

568
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: more big Willie, Big Willie style. And also tonight is

569
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: the big Fisk Can Fix It fundraiser where he's got

570
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: to go out and meet the constituents New York's elite

571
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: and you know, shake hands, kiss babies, and and try

572
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: to drum up more money for his next run. Vanessa

573
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: suggests that when you meet these people, Wilson, let them

574
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: feel like they're in charge, even if they are not.

575
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: And at this event, Kingpin ends up sparring with a

576
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: few of the lead including Jack Ducaine, everyone's favorite swordsman.

577
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 4: Love that guy.

578
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: He seems to be taking a very anti Fisk stance

579
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: for reasons that aren't like beneficial or good in any way,

580
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: but he just doesn't like the guy putting his finger

581
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: in his pie. We also learned that Fisk, who's getting

582
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: dressed in his like mayoral duds his party outfit, is

583
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: beginning to put the old Kingpin weight back on. All

584
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: of that night time stress eating in front of Adam's

585
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: cage is having an impact on the waistline of Wilson. Fisk.

586
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: Dude, It's true, that's something so interesting about the way

587
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: the food is connected, and like luxury is connected his

588
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: vision of what it means to bendite.

589
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: He's a man appetite.

590
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is about it, though, is he's

591
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: not wrong, like being man has a lot of interesting

592
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: stuff to say about New York mayors at a time

593
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: when that feels more resonant than ever. But like he says,

594
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: like it's not so different to be kingpin to be mayor,

595
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: Like he could balance both. But the appetite he has

596
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: is really about torture and cruelty and the need to

597
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, terrorize this man who who upset his life

598
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: with Vanessa.

599
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, basically ruined his relationship with Vanessa when

600
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: it was like reaching its most hallowed pinnacle.

601
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: And who doesn't love to eat some like delicious pasta

602
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: from like China.

603
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: He's been doing that for a while.

604
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh he's Cherry am in those cops.

605
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Investigator Cherry very anxious comes to the office and is like, Matt,

606
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I got to tell you something. There's a serial killer

607
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: on the loose, sixty victims in the in the region

608
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: of sixty victims at least, and it seems like the

609
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: cops think the suspect is the street artist Muse. Matt

610
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: is like, what sixty victims? I haven't heard anything.

611
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: He's like about this Muse. I love him.

612
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna his anti his anti Fisk murals are

613
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: really funny to me.

614
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: He did like a cool white tiger mural.

615
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well guess what that's all blood of victims. Cherry

616
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: is like, listen, I told you this because I don't

617
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: want you to get involved as daredubl, which is like,

618
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: why did you tell him? But he's like, yeah, listen,

619
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: just like stay out of it. Let the cops that five, six,

620
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: maybe ten more victims tops, and the cops will will

621
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: catch Mews like he can only even take a few

622
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: more victims. Back of the fundraiser, Fisk gets the news

623
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: that Muses struck again a double, this time bodies left

624
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: out in the open, eyes torn out, and this one's

625
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to cover up. So Fisk changes course.

626
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: He orders Gallo and this is clear, this is what

627
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: he's been hoping for, right, Yeah, he to assemble his

628
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: own like dirty cop force. He orders Gallo. Okay, Gallo,

629
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: you're going to assemble a task force that I and

630
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I will pick the personnel. So what does Gallo exactly

631
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: doing the emails? I guess yeah, so and and it

632
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: and the the the like list of guys is all

633
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: the dirty cops included everything cop that we've met. Gallo

634
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: is like, wow, these are all the dirty cops, and

635
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: Fiscus like, yeah, that's what we need to catch this guy.

636
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: They will get overtime, they will get which none of

637
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: the other cops are getting right now. They don't have

638
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: to wear body cameras legal who cares. They will answer

639
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: directly to me.

640
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: Also, I feel like I like the idea.

641
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 4: I like where he's coming from here.

642
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: He's like the dirty cops they will be, you know,

643
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: on our side. But also I feel like, if you're

644
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: sending them to catch a serial killer, maybe you don't

645
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: want them because the serial killer could just be like, hey,

646
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: here's some money, don't catch Well, it's.

647
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: Clear to me that Fisk one wants his own like

648
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: goon squad, and two that this is the goon squad

649
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: that he's going to send against Matt, against Spider Man,

650
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: against whoever. Fisk goes to meet the Anti Muse Task Force,

651
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: he gives them a big raw ras speech with which

652
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: they fucking eat up. He's like talks to one of

653
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: the guys and it's like, hey, why are you know?

654
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: Tell me about you and he's like, well, I killed

655
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: a drug dealer and I got in trouble for it

656
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: because I shouldn't have done that, and people got mad

657
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: at me because I just like executed.

658
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just like constantly executing people.

659
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: And visc is like, well, that's not a problem in

660
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: this unit. I love that kind of shit. I want

661
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: you to do him more. That's the kind of go

662
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: get them attitude that I need from my anti mused

663
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: task force. All you mini punishers out here. I love

664
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: you guys, and the guys fucking love it. They are like, yeah,

665
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: killing people. Whoa Angela? Meanwhile, in a true babe, what

666
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? Heads down into the subway stations,

667
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: look for mus not even wearing her uncle's mystical anult

668
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: anything like.

669
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: Ambulut.

670
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: I thought when in episode five, I thought, when they

671
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: were going down to the safe deposit boxes, we were

672
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: definitely gonna get some mystical amula action. And now on Angela,

673
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: you know your uncle had a mystical ambula. He was

674
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: not just going around with his little iPhone flashlight.

675
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in the dark muse tunnels. Well, mus catches Angela,

676
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: no problem, gets gets all, it's not an issue, carries

677
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: her back to the lair in order to drain her

678
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: fucking blood. You know, his hideout is as creepy as

679
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: you would expect. There's victims hanging for hooks, there's blood

680
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: paintings on parchment on the walls. Whatever. He sedates Angela

681
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: and then puts in the cather to tube and begins

682
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: a drain in that blood for his dog, for channel

683
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: for his next street art masterpiece. Meanwhile, in another very

684
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: grim Wilson, what are you doing? Wilson action in hand

685
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: is like, okay, I'm going to resolve the issue of

686
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Adam once and for all. The stress eating is putting

687
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: the pounds on me. I gotta stop. I could just

688
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: stop eating in front of the cage, but what I

689
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: need to do is stop with the Adam stuff, because

690
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: that's the true diet. It's like this, he's making me eat.

691
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: So he goes down there with the axe and he says, hey,

692
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: I've been struggling with this and I'm gonna let you go.

693
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: And we're thinking, okay, maybe this would be great, and

694
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: he says, but it is really hard for me to

695
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: let you go, so uh, let's do it this way.

696
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: Take this axe and see if you can get by me.

697
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: Crazy crazy crazy crazy, And like what Wilson is really

698
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: addicted to here is.

699
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 4: Just torturing this matter.

700
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: Yes, obviously nowhere close to the actual moment I'm going

701
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: to reference here from Game of Ferns, but because that

702
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: was an extended and terrible time. But I always remember

703
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 2: during the Reek storyline, watching it with my best friend Alex,

704
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: and the moment where Reek is allowed to escape, you know,

705
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 2: and then he's gonna get saved and brought back, and

706
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 2: my friend Alex said, you know, nothing more dangerous than Hope.

707
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: And this is definitely where Wilson's at.

708
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm gonna pretend to let this guy go,

709
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna absolutely fucking just fuck his ship up.

710
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: And he does. He does. I mean, he throws him

711
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: through the ceiling, he throws him against the pillar and

712
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: breaking it. He throws them through a table.

713
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: He is giving him superpowers, like he's job.

714
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: W e ing this fucking all around, and it seems

715
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: like he's dead, but he and is he dead? Really

716
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: really fucked up? And honestly, with the with the ruse knuckles,

717
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 1: maybe this is kind of just a more extreme version

718
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: of what Wilson has been doing for a while exactly.

719
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I think is it's been.

720
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: Escalating, and I do think as well that we are

721
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: still they're doing some very interesting stuff. He about the

722
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: kind of journeys that both Wilson is taking back to

723
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: Kingpin and that Matt is taking back to Dade, because.

724
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: These scenes are intercuts, so like they intercut Kingpin's beating

725
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: of Adam with Matt going down to the subway tunnels too,

726
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: because he gets a call and he realizes that angel

727
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: is missing, so he goes down there and he runs

728
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: up on Muse. And I will say if this, if

729
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: mus is the teenage kid, he fights too well because

730
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: he holds his own and can really take a beating,

731
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: and Matt does not have an easy time, yes, trying

732
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: to subdue Mus. Though I should say that Matt also

733
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: has like the double responsibility of trying to protect Angela's

734
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: in form for being like stabbed by News, which ye,

735
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: so Matt really gets put through his paces, but eventually

736
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: beats the shit out of Muse and then chokes him

737
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: out with like a cable. Then he you know, saves

738
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: Angela's life. She's lost a lot of blood, but turns

739
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: out she's alive, and we fade the black. That is

740
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: that episode.

741
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: Wow, we'll be right back after a quick break.

742
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: And we're back. I mean, this is so Matt back

743
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: as Daredevil. He's doing it in the suit. He's in

744
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: this suit.

745
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: And Wilson his back as Kingpin at least you and

746
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: King Kingpin type shit. So we're heading into like the

747
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: lost seven, eight, nine, last three episodes of this series

748
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: with both Kingpin and Dead Evil back, and it's going

749
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: to be very interesting.

750
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very interesting. What is the conflict? How

751
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: does it come? How do they're on some sort of

752
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: collision course but it still feels like that collision is

753
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: far off. And then there's the issue of fucking Bullseye

754
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: out there. Oh and how for sure he will re

755
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: enter the story, but like how and when and where

756
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: and will we also see uh Frank re enter the story.

757
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. Also, I kind of don't know

758
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: where we're going from here.

759
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the best things about this

760
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: show is it's not easy or predictable to tell where

761
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: we're going.

762
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: Now.

763
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: Obviously we've had some we were right moments because we

764
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: have read the comics, so we saw the meuse stuff coming.

765
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: But the Wilson putting together his little gang of like

766
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: essentially punish a fanboy.

767
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: Cops, I did not see that coming.

768
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: I also didn't see Angela just going down into that

769
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: without her mystical amulet, which, Babe, I know you're gonna

770
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: get it, probably not this season, but in season two.

771
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: I believe you will be White Tiger, and I know

772
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna kill it. But you shouldn't have gone down there.

773
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: So another thing I'm interested to see is what happens

774
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: when Vanessa finds out that her lover was down being

775
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: tortured by Wilson. Good. Don't feel like she's gonna be

776
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: feeling good about that?

777
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Good question. It does feel like we're like Wilson is

778
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: coming closer and closer and closer to being the kingpin again. Meanwhile,

779
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: the streets are in chaos, and you wonder how Vanessa,

780
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: who it really seemed in the opening of this season

781
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: was managing things quite well, like everybody was paying what

782
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: they owed and there was not a extreme level of

783
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: gang violence. So one was wonder how she feels about

784
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: all of this, because it really feels like Wilson showed up.

785
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: She kind of got put on the bench as the

786
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: kingpin of the Gangs essentially, which was the role of

787
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: manager of the gangs. And he seems to be more

788
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: and more looking to like rebuild himself as mayor slash

789
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: kingpin with more of an emphasis a king.

790
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: He doesn't have patience to just be may I, And.

791
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: So you do wonder how she feels about all this.

792
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: And I think the Adam thing is going to be

793
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: a true shot because he lied to her, even though

794
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: he did it in Wilson Fisk style. I'm not that

795
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: bad anymore. I'm not.

796
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: Maybe it would have been better if you show him

797
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: in the head, because he's really good.

798
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: I gave him an accent, he had a he had

799
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: his opportunity, he had I knew you loved him so much,

800
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: so I put in his beautiful artist's hands and acts

801
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: and he was not He was not to do it.

802
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: So I think that there's another confrontation coming there or

803
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: they'll be interesting to see another fun episode. I like

804
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: the again. It really does feel like an extension of

805
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: a true extension of the Netflix series in a lot

806
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: of ways, and the kind of almost soapiness of the

807
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: of the personal lives of these two characters. I like

808
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: it very chaotic.

809
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: I also think that there is a really interesting balance

810
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: that the creative team of striking here where Yeah, we

811
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: do get these characters back that people wanted, you know, Foggy,

812
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: Karen Frank, but they're not oversaturating the story and they're

813
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: also not just like random cameos. So I feel like

814
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: people who've had issues with Marvel in that way of

815
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: feeling like everything is way too connected or too heavily

816
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: reliant on fan service, I feel like they've got to

817
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: be impressed with this show at this point because I

818
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: think that they're making a lot of really interesting, big

819
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: swing choices. And yes, I'm very excited to see where

820
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: it goes next. I think Charlie Cox and you know,

821
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: Vincent Dinofrio have never been better. And I'm loving the

822
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: side characters too. I'm excited to see more. Three episodes left.

823
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: What's your craziest prediction that you'd like to see?

824
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh, well, I think Bullseye is going to enter the

825
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: story somehow, some way, probably jailbred.

826
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a bulls eye stand so I would

827
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: love to see it.

828
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: I feel like Wilson maybe is going to try and

829
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: frame Matt as Muse. Maybe they don't catch maybe Muse. Oh,

830
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: I like maybe Muse. It's unclear, Like really what happens

831
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: to mus after this fight?

832
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

833
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: Maybe he slips away and Fisk says, well, Darrevil might

834
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: be doing this, and by the way, all these vigilantes

835
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: gotta go. So maybe that's I think that's maybe my prediction.

836
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: What about you?

837
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: I would like to see a dead evil team up

838
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: with somebody potentially big out there, timfoil Hat style.

839
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: I would love to see Spider Man.

840
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna get it, but I'm just

841
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: throwing it out there because you wouldn't have to have

842
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: Tom Holland you can just have Spider Man.

843
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 4: Nobody knows who he is. I think that could be interesting.

844
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: If not maybe finally get to see him and Frank

845
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: back together again. I think something like that could be fun.

846
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm just interested to see where it goes. You know,

847
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: It's actually really fun to watch a show like this

848
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: where they keep surprising us and aren't always following kind

849
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: of the obvious path. I'm really interested as well in

850
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: how much casting they're releasing for season two. I feel

851
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: like it's quite clear that season two was already laid

852
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: out whenever they put together this version of season one.

853
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to find out more about where that's

854
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: gonna lead us, and some of the incredible casting like

855
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: Matthew Lillard and who potentially they're gonna be playing.

856
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: And whether this season sets any of that up.

857
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm really excited, and I'm hoping this is

858
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: gonna turn people to more Dead Devil reading because.

859
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: More street level stuff. That's the other thing is, like,

860
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: I think more street level content. I am we need

861
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: it kind of hungering for. It's not you know, people

862
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: get killed and people get hurt, so it's low stakes

863
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: is non exactly but cosmic. It's not cosmics. It's just

864
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: yet bad guys on the street, gangsters, you know. Like

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Speaker 1: this is I like this level of superhero and I'm

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Speaker 1: eager to see more. In the next few episodes of

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Speaker 1: Extra Vision, will we continuing our Daredevil Born Again coverage

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Speaker 1: and reacting to the upcoming Nintendo Direct news. And that's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode. Thanks for listening, bye. X ray

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joe Alminique and Aaron Koufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 4: A producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 2: Heidie are Discord moderator