Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast is very popular with British men.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition to Be Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room build with heroes Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: What's up, boys? I mean, I think we we rage
Speaker 1: with with the British men, but there's at least eleven
Speaker 1: UM British females that tune into our show. I'm saying
Speaker 1: at least, I think it could even be twelve. It's
Speaker 1: a real shame that we're not going to be going
Speaker 1: overseas this year because of you know. But I will
Speaker 1: say we can rest easy knowing that we were making progress.
Speaker 1: Year one, our first trip to London in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: there were three people that were not white males at
Speaker 1: the UM Live show and thereby force, potentially there was
Speaker 1: no evidence that they went out and bought their own tickets.
Speaker 1: Right year two, there were at least eleven women. It
Speaker 1: was a little more diverse in general. UK UK fans
Speaker 1: get a lot of pop and we're doing a little
Speaker 1: NFL UK show. They announced uh later this week on Thursday.
Speaker 1: The information is on the NFL UK Twitter Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Twitter to a little live show with Neil Reynolds.
Speaker 1: That'll be fun. But I want to say give a
Speaker 1: little shout out to our Canadian listeners because you can't
Speaker 1: get so much pop. I happen to be perusing our
Speaker 1: like analytics and looking at the international numbers, and it's
Speaker 1: like Canada is a strong number two, and it's they're
Speaker 1: not as vocal apparently, but they're they're massive, and we
Speaker 1: don't we don't give a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: pop to the Canadians. And while we're here, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give some pop to the American listeners. It is
Speaker 1: our largest audience. And uh always always love you know,
Speaker 1: you know the old Zoo or he loves the USA.
Speaker 1: These colors don't run all that all right, this is
Speaker 1: suld I pick a nation or a country to post stuff,
Speaker 1: not too late, Very excited about the Estonian listening contingent.
Speaker 1: There's at least six or seven of them, and they're
Speaker 1: there die hards according to Greg's analytical map. It's uh,
Speaker 1: it's always funny though when Dan points out like he
Speaker 1: loves the USA, as if like he loves it more
Speaker 1: than he's trying to say he loves it more than
Speaker 1: us I see what I do it I think he
Speaker 1: might do. I think we are a flawed country, but
Speaker 1: so too is every human. You know, we're we're working
Speaker 1: at it and hopefully we can be better. But the
Speaker 1: bones of this nation, what it represents, is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: But we could always strive to be better us. Okay,
Speaker 1: now let's get to it. What's happening. America is not
Speaker 1: in a it's not a place. It's an idea. Boys,
Speaker 1: I'm letting you stay bed on this. It's you know. See,
Speaker 1: that's why I love the country, Mark, I mean, we
Speaker 1: all love it. We all love it. I see it
Speaker 1: as a complex idea. All right, today's show is a
Speaker 1: good one. We um, we're what we We've talked about
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. We're trying to navigate this. We've done
Speaker 1: over a thousand episodes we've done. I think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be what our eighth or ninth season. But this
Speaker 1: one is like no other season for obvious reasons. With
Speaker 1: the nineteen and as such, it does feel a little
Speaker 1: strange to dive into certain conversations about the season that's upcoming,
Speaker 1: where it probably makes more sense to kind of live
Speaker 1: in the moment and just document what's going on right
Speaker 1: now and how the landscape looks as the NFL attempts
Speaker 1: to work its way through this really tricky situation that's
Speaker 1: presented itself in So we're gonna do all the news.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have an a good friend of the show,
Speaker 1: a man who's I want to just say, who's Bob.
Speaker 1: Maybe lost some spotlight. It didn't lose any greatness, but
Speaker 1: it lost some spotlight because Nick Shook rolled in with
Speaker 1: those giant traps and biceps and all that stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: it's time for somebody else's body to get the recognition
Speaker 1: that it never deserved to lose in the first place.
Speaker 1: So that that's my tease for later in the show
Speaker 1: to talk about the Detroit Lions on the team that's
Speaker 1: dealing with some very serious COVID nineteen issues itself right now.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it plenty to talk about Ricky.
Speaker 1: Let's hit the news. Yeah, Wayne understands that the NFL
Speaker 1: is the most profitable sports league on Earth, and there
Speaker 1: are only so many opportunities that come along like this.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about an enormous real estate play
Speaker 1: with an A list tennant and leaders had a great
Speaker 1: season's a shame Derek Carr went down when he did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a great QB. And that is the most I've
Speaker 1: heard or watched from Ba Dolers since the first episode,
Speaker 1: when I couldn't believe that Home Box Office had botched
Speaker 1: such a tremendous premise for a show the Rock as
Speaker 1: a former star turned agent, the ability to use all
Speaker 1: the real logos and team names, celebrity and and NFL
Speaker 1: star cameos galore, and somehow it was like our less
Speaker 1: level bad. I hate Ballers. I never saw it, but
Speaker 1: I did see a couple of Twitter clips of Jay
Speaker 1: Glazers acting, so if that was kind of like an
Speaker 1: indication of what the rest of the show was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't need to see that. I mean, Glazer actually
Speaker 1: in his he has a mail Bag. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's the pre eminent version of that type of article,
Speaker 1: but um he in his version of that, he talked
Speaker 1: about the fact that the Ballers director and producer allowed
Speaker 1: Glazer and others to really kind of impromptu on the set,
Speaker 1: that they'd go through like a lot of different just
Speaker 1: sort of hamming it up with Glazer and Glazers actor
Speaker 1: or NFL friends, and it created some high drum. I've
Speaker 1: seen probably four or five episodes. I'm not as down
Speaker 1: on it as you are, Dan, but I never watched more,
Speaker 1: and I think that they botched what could have been
Speaker 1: something very very special. It had a lot of annoying
Speaker 1: cameos on it. Okay, Anyway, the reason why we just
Speaker 1: heard from Dwayne Johnson the Rock is because he bought
Speaker 1: a a steak in the XFL, buying it out of
Speaker 1: bankruptcy and um. This kind of reminds me of when
Speaker 1: Justin timber Lake bought into My Space in two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: thinking that he could be part of rebranding it and
Speaker 1: bringing it back. Uh. It feels similarly doomed for The Rock.
Speaker 1: But he's a very successful man. Maybe him and his partners,
Speaker 1: who included his ex wife by the way, nice job.
Speaker 1: They're keeping it together for the for the biz. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe they could figure something out to make the first
Speaker 1: true professional sports league alternative to the NFL since the
Speaker 1: a f L NFL merger. In it's gonna own a team,
Speaker 1: you know. There you go, And that's the lead story
Speaker 1: of today. No, here's the lead story of today. COVID time.
Speaker 1: It's that time again. Doug Peterson, the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, has tested positive for the coronavirus. ESPN's
Speaker 1: Tim McManus reported it uh. He added that Peterson believes
Speaker 1: he contracted the virus outside of the Eagles team facility.
Speaker 1: Peterson is asymptomatic. Fortunately, he says he's feeling fine. The
Speaker 1: Eagles also sent home another member of the staff um,
Speaker 1: so Peterson is out for in a definite period of time.
Speaker 1: Once again remind you of how how quickly things can
Speaker 1: be depleted and how a team now has to begin
Speaker 1: preparing for a season that's five and a half weeks away,
Speaker 1: six weeks away, potentially without the leader of the team,
Speaker 1: Greg Obstacles upon obstacles right now. If I think, more
Speaker 1: than anything, it's just a reminder to the rest of
Speaker 1: the league they better have their backup plans in place.
Speaker 1: And Peterson spoke with the media on Monday. He's still
Speaker 1: gonna be doing some of the virtual meetings as much
Speaker 1: as he can. Sounds like a lot. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if you know broadcasters, I remember what Chris Cuomo was
Speaker 1: doing shows from his basement with the with the virus.
Speaker 1: I guess you can beholding your virtual meetings. So Peterson
Speaker 1: is away from his family, Uh, he's away from his team.
Speaker 1: He's still gonna be doing his work somewhat. But it's
Speaker 1: a reminder every team needs a backup plan, and not
Speaker 1: just for your head coach. You need a backup plan
Speaker 1: for every single coach on your roster, for every single
Speaker 1: staff member on your roster. I mean, what if you
Speaker 1: lose you know, you know, the Vikings or the Chiefs
Speaker 1: lost their their their medical examiners. So you're gonna need
Speaker 1: to have backup plans on backup plans for players, staff, coaches.
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be a season full of backup plans
Speaker 1: like best best blackup plans wins, because everyone's gonna need
Speaker 1: need some of them. I mean, I think in this case,
Speaker 1: it's deuced Staley for the Eagles. And if you want
Speaker 1: to look at it from a rose colored glasses p
Speaker 1: O V. I guess you could say that in the season,
Speaker 1: a guy like Deuce Staley, some of these guys who
Speaker 1: have been um at the assistant level for so long
Speaker 1: that it might be a chance for them to come
Speaker 1: in and coach a win or two and show what
Speaker 1: they can do in the same spot. But I I
Speaker 1: think it's the when you lose the cluster of defensive coaches.
Speaker 1: Potentially Peterson is asymptomatic. That doesn't mean that we won't
Speaker 1: get a coach at some point who is symptomatic. And
Speaker 1: while Chris Cuomo did CNN from his basement, I mean
Speaker 1: not everyone is gonna be, you know, in that level
Speaker 1: of you know, not being touched by it. I think
Speaker 1: that the coaching side of it and the staff side
Speaker 1: of it is as perilous as anything else. And it's
Speaker 1: just sort of like a high brow, high level name
Speaker 1: where it reminds you it's not just um, you know,
Speaker 1: large defensive tackles opting out and catching corona. Like like
Speaker 1: Mark Sesler, I'm a huge baseball fan and watching my
Speaker 1: Yankees every night, including their sweep of the Red Sox
Speaker 1: this weekend. Tough break, Greg, I know you were watching
Speaker 1: the games as well, uh, And I think from watching
Speaker 1: that's it feels like the NFL is gonna be a
Speaker 1: similar situation. This feels like a war of attrition, not
Speaker 1: just for the league just to try to survive it,
Speaker 1: but for every team and some teams if this does
Speaker 1: go on a schedule at the NFL, some teams you
Speaker 1: imagine they're gonna be more fortunate than others. Some teams
Speaker 1: are gonna see their seasons potentially wiped out because of this,
Speaker 1: And what I guess concerns me and makes me nervous
Speaker 1: as a sports fan. Uh. And somebody that covers professional
Speaker 1: football for a living, is you watch what happened again? Baseball,
Speaker 1: which is the guinea pig right now. Um with the
Speaker 1: Miami Marlins, and they had a ton of positive tests
Speaker 1: and there was some talk and speculation that there was
Speaker 1: some irresponsible um things going on with the players that
Speaker 1: led to the big outbreak in their clubhouse. But now
Speaker 1: we have the St. Louis Cardinals, another team that's dealing
Speaker 1: with an issue here, and there's a possibility here that
Speaker 1: there might not be irresponsible behavior going on. I don't
Speaker 1: I doubt Doug Peterson was irresponsible. And it just reminds
Speaker 1: you how easy it is to catch this and how
Speaker 1: one person getting it can change everything the fortunes for
Speaker 1: an entire organization that has dreams of winning a Super Bowl. Well,
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals, there's reports the Cardinals went to a casino,
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that you could if you're
Speaker 1: gonna it is it comes down to the choices you make.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I just think we're in a much
Speaker 1: different world than when when Tom Hanks and two NBA
Speaker 1: players caught it. It's shut down that sport entirely now
Speaker 1: the the NFL's viewpoint, and tell me if you think
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Seems to be at all costs, we're gonna
Speaker 1: press on. And the the idea of you know, competitive
Speaker 1: uh imbalance is already at play. I mean, when players
Speaker 1: are opting out left and right, there is a competitive
Speaker 1: and balance, and like when you're losing coaching staffs more
Speaker 1: of I mean, it's a very different world than we
Speaker 1: lived in in March well, and I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be up. It's really interesting that it's that the Saints,
Speaker 1: for instance, are creating their own mini bubble where a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty of their hundred and fifty players and
Speaker 1: staff are staying in a hotel, are planning to stay
Speaker 1: in a hotel um for camp and they're they're taking
Speaker 1: that step on their own, and so it's trying to
Speaker 1: mitigate whatever risk is out there. But it is funny,
Speaker 1: like people come apartmentalize, like everyone's furious at the players
Speaker 1: who are being irresponsible going out, and it's like and
Speaker 1: that that makes sense, but you know there's not quite
Speaker 1: as much fury of like all you have to do
Speaker 1: to get coronaviruses, go out a couple of times and
Speaker 1: you'll probably get it. Like you know, that's that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. If you're not gonna be solving, if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be solving that issue, it's gonna be it's
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty difficult to solve. The hotel for the NFL.
Speaker 1: The hotel is the idea for the Saints. Sounds like
Speaker 1: a sound one in principle, and I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: of other teams do it. But that could also backfire
Speaker 1: in a huge way because somebody can contract the the
Speaker 1: virus and then take it into that hotel and then
Speaker 1: game over the Saints and whatever team else has done.
Speaker 1: My I guess what I was saying, Mark, was whether
Speaker 1: the St. Louis Cardinals were at a casino or the
Speaker 1: Marlins were out at a at a hotel, bar or whatever,
Speaker 1: that's one thing and that would almost set in a
Speaker 1: weird way, set your mind at ease. It's like you
Speaker 1: will ruin your season if you can't be disciplined but
Speaker 1: then there's gonna be a bunch of other guys and
Speaker 1: guarantee it happens, and already has with all these tests
Speaker 1: that are come through that didn't do something reckless, that
Speaker 1: maybe went to, uh, you know, take their daughter to
Speaker 1: the park, or went to the grocery store. Because it's
Speaker 1: that it's that contagious. It's virus is not simply you know,
Speaker 1: responding to reckless behavior. All right, And speaking of the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen virus, the Lions and the Jaguars have placed
Speaker 1: their starting quarterbacks on their reserve COVID nineteen list. Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford hits the list after results came back from the
Speaker 1: team's third round of testing on Friday. Um It is
Speaker 1: unclear how long Stafford will be out per NFL protocol,
Speaker 1: but the team is scheduled to start their strength and
Speaker 1: conditioning workouts on Monday. And Stafford of course very um
Speaker 1: uh unique situation for him. His wife, Kelly, had brain
Speaker 1: surgery in the not too distant past. She just had
Speaker 1: a child this spring. So you wonder what Matthew Stafford's
Speaker 1: thinking right now. We talked about this on Friday Show.
Speaker 1: What a huge franchise altering decision. Franchise quarterback has in
Speaker 1: front of him if he feels uncomfortable about playing. I
Speaker 1: have no idea where Stafford's at mentally right now on that,
Speaker 1: but that's a situation. And then your boy, uh, Mark Sessler, Gardner,
Speaker 1: Me and Shoe Uh. He was added to the COVID
Speaker 1: Night Steam list by the Jags, along with um four
Speaker 1: other players on the Jaguars, So Minshew's who's locked and
Speaker 1: loaded as their starter for in Jacksonville. He also is
Speaker 1: in the same boat now as Stafford, waiting to get
Speaker 1: well and get back on the field. Think part of
Speaker 1: it is we're thinking it's August. There's all this time
Speaker 1: for conditioning, and you know everyone will be in Theory
Speaker 1: back and ready to go in September. But imagine if
Speaker 1: this were a week seven and you lose Stafford, Kenny Golladay.
Speaker 1: We much mentioned in the last show T. J. Hawkinson,
Speaker 1: you're in theory, You're you know, blooming into a productive
Speaker 1: tight end person right there. That's a huge chunk of
Speaker 1: your offense. Again, it just points to competitive and balance
Speaker 1: for me and I. You know, losing a quarterback is
Speaker 1: one piece, but you can also lose for defensive linemen.
Speaker 1: I mean I I want to be positive about this,
Speaker 1: but I think it's as tricky a scenario as um
Speaker 1: by ten that we've ever encountered. Now, the NFL is
Speaker 1: hoping that all this, you know, daily testing, that they're
Speaker 1: finding people you know, that are testing positive, and that
Speaker 1: the tests you know now that hopefully the players are
Speaker 1: coming in and they're being safe, that the numbers are
Speaker 1: going to go down. But it's hard not to notice
Speaker 1: that they're a little clustered that I think there's seven,
Speaker 1: seven or eight teams that haven't had any positive test us.
Speaker 1: But you got like the Lions offense that you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to you don't want to guess what's
Speaker 1: going on. But they were working out separately, like like
Speaker 1: the NFL p A told them not due then. And
Speaker 1: there's been clusters on a couple of teams, Jaguars and
Speaker 1: Lions and Vikings being being three of them. And yeah,
Speaker 1: your mind thinks about the season and if if that happened,
Speaker 1: because in theory, you know, it's not like the virus
Speaker 1: knows what when the season starts. There there isn't that
Speaker 1: much that's really changing between actually does the virus is
Speaker 1: aware that September eight, they are very excited about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that that would be good news. But it's such
Speaker 1: a dramatic like whiplash of like Jaguars dot Com and
Speaker 1: sending out like this slow motion video of Gardner Minshew
Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter. Uh you know, check out our
Speaker 1: instagram by the way around the NFL big pop for
Speaker 1: that right now. You know, they're they're sitting up what's
Speaker 1: the handle on that, Ricky? It's at the eight n podcast.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so we're we got the we have
Speaker 1: we don't have any slow motion Gardner Minshew shots, but
Speaker 1: the guers do. And it's like his hair is all
Speaker 1: flowing and it's like he was like just on the
Speaker 1: way in to get like test positive for coronavirus. I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's something that was That was a beautiful
Speaker 1: Minshew video, but there was something about it that I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't know what he's been doing with his offseason,
Speaker 1: but kind of felt like a ripe character to be
Speaker 1: plucked by the old Corona there. What do you think
Speaker 1: is he's so charismatic that coronavirus gonna help it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that all sorts of things are attracted to
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew and as are probably you know areas, including
Speaker 1: one guy on the show. I think he's a great player,
Speaker 1: and he's an exciting character, and the NFL needs him
Speaker 1: right now, so I couldn't be more on his on
Speaker 1: his uh get better? How about that. I'm excited for you,
Speaker 1: Mark because moving in you're moving. You shared me photos
Speaker 1: of your new home that you're moving into with your family,
Speaker 1: and it looks great. I'm very happy for you guys.
Speaker 1: Just so happens that Corona did send an evite for
Speaker 1: that Thursday night kickoff game. Texans chiefs Uh. They they're
Speaker 1: setting up a party at your house that night, so
Speaker 1: watch out. I mean, you know, you'd think in past
Speaker 1: years it would be my dream to get not a
Speaker 1: really devastating version of Corona, but just a soft one
Speaker 1: that kind of pulls you a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people sympathy and empathy about this guy's
Speaker 1: been through a lot, you know, but it doesn't really
Speaker 1: you know, attach you too hard. In this case. I'm
Speaker 1: over it. I don't want to catch it. I don't
Speaker 1: want my kids to catch it or any of you.
Speaker 1: It's it's lost its appeal. Good lesson to learn that
Speaker 1: prak just was get cessil outa here and put Patrick
Speaker 1: Clabon in here for the rest of this. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about. I'm just saying, you're really going out
Speaker 1: on a limb, you know, you know, thanks catch coronavirus
Speaker 1: and other New Years. I would have loved this coronavirus,
Speaker 1: but not done so much. It's lost, it's it's it's flat,
Speaker 1: and other news. It is good times to be a
Speaker 1: Jets fan. Jets linebacker C. J. Mosley, who signed a
Speaker 1: massive free agent deal entering the two thousand nineteen season
Speaker 1: and then ripped up his groin in the opener and
Speaker 1: basically missed the whole season, He has now decided to
Speaker 1: opt out of the season. UM source told rich Domini
Speaker 1: was due to family health reasons. Mosley his contract tolls.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear that a lot with these different things,
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll talk about the opt out situation in
Speaker 1: the NFL, which is murky right now and some people
Speaker 1: are not happy about it. But Mosley, who has four
Speaker 1: years left on his deal, he opts out. So what
Speaker 1: that means is he gets the stipend from the NFL,
Speaker 1: I think a hundred and fifty grand. Is that what
Speaker 1: it is that will be taken out of a future
Speaker 1: salary unless he has an underlying medical condition uh and
Speaker 1: then next year the contract tolls, so he still has
Speaker 1: four years left. He doesn't have three years left, and
Speaker 1: I did think it was an interest interesting before we
Speaker 1: get to what this means for the Jets. Interesting um
Speaker 1: report I read from Mike Florio at PFT that there
Speaker 1: is a little bit of buzz and I'm not connecting
Speaker 1: this to Mosley or anybody UH that that some teams
Speaker 1: are unhappy, that they have a h of feeling or
Speaker 1: a vibe that some agents are trying to use the
Speaker 1: opt out as leverage, whether it be UH for a
Speaker 1: contract extension or players who feel like they're not gonna
Speaker 1: make the team anyway, so they are opting out and
Speaker 1: taking the money. That is a report that I read.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but it it did
Speaker 1: raise my eyebrow. We'll put your name on it. Then
Speaker 1: that's a serious I mean the people that are being
Speaker 1: sources for p FT, because that's a pretty serious accusation.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't see any like, I don't
Speaker 1: see any specific players that anyone's suspecting or fits that
Speaker 1: m because ultimately it's just fronting them, you know, unless
Speaker 1: they have a medical condition, which no one's going to
Speaker 1: have a problem with, like like Marcus Cannon for instances. Officially, UM,
Speaker 1: you know the second category where he's getting three dollars
Speaker 1: because you know as a former cancer survivor. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just giving the money that they're gonna get later anyway.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna be like whispering about that, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but put your name on it, all right.
Speaker 1: I like that, Greig. And as far as the Jets go,
Speaker 1: Mosley was supposed to be an important part of this
Speaker 1: defense obviously, so in the span of a week they lost,
Speaker 1: uh mostly Jamal Adams to the Seahawks in a trade.
Speaker 1: And the Jets, I will say, they're pretty deep at
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. They did a nice job Greg Williams plugging
Speaker 1: the holes with Mosley out last year. But it really
Speaker 1: does feel and I try to be optimistic because the
Speaker 1: Jets fan is stupid as that idea is, but you
Speaker 1: just you can't take away that much talent from that defense.
Speaker 1: And I do really like Greg Williams as a coordinator,
Speaker 1: uh and expect this team to compete at a high
Speaker 1: level um, and it just reinforces to me what the
Speaker 1: Jets season is about with all those draft picks ahead
Speaker 1: and the idea of building towards the future. This to
Speaker 1: me is more and more coming a season that's about
Speaker 1: Ken Sam Donald progress. Can this offense take the next
Speaker 1: step with gays? Because once you remove those two heavy
Speaker 1: hitters from the defense, I feel less and less um
Speaker 1: confident that they're going to contend for a playoff spot.
Speaker 1: There's just not enough talent on the roster. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think if you're Joe Douglas, who we can agree
Speaker 1: is probably the one thing you could say going forward,
Speaker 1: it's Douglas and Sam Donald that you could still see
Speaker 1: here um a number of years. When Mosley's contract now
Speaker 1: isn't gonna complete four years from now, it's just less
Speaker 1: and less in my book, the odds of him even
Speaker 1: being there at that point. I think if you're Joe Douglas, like,
Speaker 1: if you want to be an optimistic Jets fan, you've
Speaker 1: got to go through another rough ride. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's probably you know, on paper, looks like a rough ride,
Speaker 1: but you're setting the table to attract maybe a different
Speaker 1: tier of available coach Um with all the future draft
Speaker 1: picks and a quarterback in place. If Donald improves to
Speaker 1: get a coach that you don't have to who is
Speaker 1: who isn't a dead man walking right now? Case is
Speaker 1: a dead man walking. And I just don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's to another tough year on a fan base
Speaker 1: to sign up in all the pretty words about Greg Williams,
Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Williams won't be there five now, he'll
Speaker 1: be interim. He'll he'll be an interim coach for the
Speaker 1: second time in three or four years. Williams of again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm being optimistic. You're gonna get a better coach, which
Speaker 1: they probably have done earlier. About optimistics, you're in a
Speaker 1: better environment. I think you could make a better argument. Well,
Speaker 1: Williams has a history. He was really good at improving
Speaker 1: kind of an under talented group to average or better
Speaker 1: than average, and the second year usually goes okay, and
Speaker 1: then it usually starts kind of going off the rails.
Speaker 1: But they're right, you know, we don't need to linger
Speaker 1: on the Jets too much. But it's funny. I remember
Speaker 1: writing something about the Jets earlier this offseason. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at their roster I think
Speaker 1: the only position groups that are average or better or
Speaker 1: have a chance to be average or better are inside
Speaker 1: linebacker in safety. And now now those ones that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say would qualify either. They'll probably keep Avery Williamson,
Speaker 1: who was maybe not gonna make the team. We don't
Speaker 1: really know. And and I am gonna point out it
Speaker 1: really reminds me of Juwan James, who wasn't in a rundown.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna throw it out there anyways. The Broncos
Speaker 1: right tackle, who like Mosley, got a huge salary like
Speaker 1: two of the highest paid players in free agency last
Speaker 1: year in terms of guaranteed money, barely played at all
Speaker 1: because of an injury last year like Mosley, and also
Speaker 1: opted out on Monday. And also, that's gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: a troubling position group potentially for the for the Broncos.
Speaker 1: So like two guys, it's free agency, it's it's always
Speaker 1: a risk. And these are two guys who got a
Speaker 1: lot of casts right now, not you're not You're not
Speaker 1: gonna find the right tack. The Jets also released Ryan Winters,
Speaker 1: their guard. He's been a start since he should catch
Speaker 1: on somewhere else as either a depth or starting piece. Uh,
Speaker 1: speaking of the opt out Patriots safety and they're forever
Speaker 1: Captain Devin mccordy on Sunday, he he spoke out he's
Speaker 1: angry with the NFL for attempting to move the deadline
Speaker 1: in which players can decide whether or not they want
Speaker 1: to opt out this year. Here's what mccordy had to say.
Speaker 1: I think it's an absolute joke that, uh, the NFL
Speaker 1: is changing in the opt out period manly because they
Speaker 1: don't want to continue to see guys opt out. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're shot about how many guys have opted out.
Speaker 1: I think it's terrible. I think it's bus that the
Speaker 1: league has changed that day. And the Patriots, of course,
Speaker 1: Greg have had eight players opt out of the season.
Speaker 1: That's the most in the NFL. And you wonder if
Speaker 1: mccordy speaking out like this, if he could be next. Yeah,
Speaker 1: listening to um his quote, there are a couple of
Speaker 1: interesting things. Number one was what you just said the
Speaker 1: way he mentioned it, he thought players still hadn't decided,
Speaker 1: that they haven't even been in the facility, and that
Speaker 1: there there's gonna be more to come. And so that
Speaker 1: was that was my take, which which has been born
Speaker 1: out because I think when we last spoke, we were
Speaker 1: in the mid twenties in terms of opt outs, and
Speaker 1: now we're we're speaking Monday afternoon, we're in the mid forties.
Speaker 1: So it's almost bolt since since Friday, and it looked
Speaker 1: like it's going to continue. And he indicated, you know,
Speaker 1: may maybe he wasn't, um, you know, totally on board
Speaker 1: or not. The other thing that's interesting to me is
Speaker 1: he's responding to a report from Adam Schefter that the
Speaker 1: NFL was gonna make the deadline Tuesday or Wednesday instead
Speaker 1: of being one week from when they actually signed the
Speaker 1: c b A. Remember when we were like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they signed the c b A and we we said
Speaker 1: that live on NFL network. You know, we retaped like
Speaker 1: a whole second. That was that was ten days ago.
Speaker 1: They still haven't signed. It still hasn't happened. Like the
Speaker 1: players don't have to let them move that deadline, so
Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything about it since that's kind of
Speaker 1: a floating story. And if they are going to move
Speaker 1: that deadline, the players are probably gonna ask for something
Speaker 1: in return. There's no I have no idea what that
Speaker 1: would be though, And and Dan the other side to
Speaker 1: the report of agents saying that there's this sort of
Speaker 1: negotiating for new contracts is there is concern, according to
Speaker 1: Florio through a source un named source, that players are
Speaker 1: just using this as a way to guarantee income um,
Speaker 1: even though that doesn't make a lot of sense because
Speaker 1: it would come out of next year. Players on the
Speaker 1: bubble are saying, if I'm if I think I might
Speaker 1: not make this team, I'm opting out to get the money,
Speaker 1: But you still have to give it back if you
Speaker 1: didn't make a team next year. So I find that
Speaker 1: to be a dubious idea. And look, I mean, if anything,
Speaker 1: I think the opt out, and this is just my
Speaker 1: personal belief, should be extended. They should put it out
Speaker 1: a number more of more weeks, because this has to
Speaker 1: be a careful decision that you don't either you don't
Speaker 1: want to rush to opt out when you find out
Speaker 1: the team is handling it the way you are. If
Speaker 1: we were gonna go back into the workplace with a
Speaker 1: similar situation and you had family members concerned what you
Speaker 1: it makes sense that you'd say, let me go see
Speaker 1: what it's like. Let's get an idea of how much
Speaker 1: uh this thing we think this can work and then
Speaker 1: make a decision, versus having to do it in a rush.
Speaker 1: I hate the idea that players feel. If more people
Speaker 1: feel like mccordy, that they're being pressured into this decision.
Speaker 1: I'm totally with you, and I'm gonna bring Kevin Patron
Speaker 1: right now, our buddy, to jump in on the combo
Speaker 1: if you like, why wouldn't it Why wouldn't you, Kevin,
Speaker 1: I'll set you up at this. Why wouldn't you extend
Speaker 1: that opt out too deep into the training camp? Because
Speaker 1: don't you want to see if you're that player? I
Speaker 1: want to get on the field. I wanna be hitting
Speaker 1: some people. I want to see how those tests come back,
Speaker 1: and then I'll decide if I'm gonna try to play
Speaker 1: a whole season. It does feel like they're putting the
Speaker 1: players in a needlessly difficult situation decision wise. Well, I
Speaker 1: can't completely disagree with you, damn, But I mean you
Speaker 1: think of from a coach's re sective. I just jumped
Speaker 1: on this call, so I don't know what you guys
Speaker 1: have been through before. But if coaches are uh constant
Speaker 1: whiners about everything they can't control, so that's just another
Speaker 1: thing you're throwing at them, and they're gonna they're gonna whine,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna complain about not knowing what players they have,
Speaker 1: and you're just giving players. I mean, is it gonna
Speaker 1: be a situation where you got a player who probably
Speaker 1: knows he's cut, then he just takes the opt out
Speaker 1: as opposed to getting cut. So put it on baseball
Speaker 1: players are still opting now in the middle of the season,
Speaker 1: that that seems problematic. And ultimately the players agreed that
Speaker 1: they would. You know, that the deadline would be a
Speaker 1: week after they signed this thing, so so it's it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be later than that, but it is. It's
Speaker 1: fascinating to me they're still negotiating like these they're even
Speaker 1: sending out transactions. Okay, this guy's officially opped out, this
Speaker 1: guy's on the COVID nine teamless. They actually haven't even
Speaker 1: signed an agreement that those designations exist. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a very strange time and there's a lot of trust
Speaker 1: between both sides. Actually think the players have done a
Speaker 1: pretty good job, as Devin McCarthy kind of pointed out,
Speaker 1: standing their ground. And this is one I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they do stay on their ground and the
Speaker 1: the date doesn't wind up getting pushed in the end, Patra,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening in the news. Yes, Kevin
Speaker 1: Patrick is joining the show. It's been a while. It's
Speaker 1: been too long. In fact, it's been so happy that yes,
Speaker 1: it has been. And it's it's the reason we you
Speaker 1: sprung to mind, Patras, because we wanted to pick one
Speaker 1: of these teams that's dealing with a lot of drama
Speaker 1: right now and in this modern NFL landscape, and your
Speaker 1: detro Lions are right at the top of the list
Speaker 1: because not only do they have I believe seven players
Speaker 1: on the COVID nineteen list, it's also now Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: And it happens said against the backdrop of a very
Speaker 1: important year for the Lions, a year where there's a belief,
Speaker 1: Greg I think you talked about it on our Leaky
Speaker 1: Trendy I think they're kind of a sneaky trendy team
Speaker 1: that they're technically a favorite according to one odds maker,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of hope around the team, but
Speaker 1: then also a pessimistic side that says matt Patricia is
Speaker 1: still a head coach and they say, gonna work. Where's
Speaker 1: your head at as the Lions fan is just someone
Speaker 1: that follows and writes about the league so well on
Speaker 1: NFL dot com right now. Yeah, Well, I think we're
Speaker 1: all in the world of unknown. We don't know anything.
Speaker 1: Like there's a part of me that says, well, we
Speaker 1: don't know about COVID a lot, a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a thing where you know, Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: contracted it and now he's he's gonna be clear, he's
Speaker 1: got he's got antibodies that he's not gonna have to
Speaker 1: worry about it later in the year. We don't know
Speaker 1: that yet or not. So I think that the optimistic
Speaker 1: side says, well, maybe we get us out of the
Speaker 1: way early. And I think with Stafford going out on
Speaker 1: the COVID list, people are kind of forgetting that Kenny
Speaker 1: Golladay and Hockinson are both on that list too, and
Speaker 1: that just like triples the uh, the factor for it's
Speaker 1: screwing up the entire offense that looked kind of like
Speaker 1: it could be one of the better offenses when Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford was healthy under Daryl Bevel last year, and that
Speaker 1: you know, the ads swift, but the COVID situation just
Speaker 1: does what it does to every team, and it just
Speaker 1: a lot of unknown at this point point. I mean,
Speaker 1: you hope Stafford's okay asymptomatic obviously, but at this point,
Speaker 1: but what what do we know about this virus is
Speaker 1: very little because it keeps seeming to change by the
Speaker 1: week and by the month. Well you can kind of
Speaker 1: the Redax player that's you know, Edward Rodrigue. We don't
Speaker 1: know what you know. We're not expecting this to happen
Speaker 1: to like a great number of NFL players. But you
Speaker 1: think about the Red Sex pick picture Headward WARDO Rodriguez
Speaker 1: who's out for the season because of complications is having
Speaker 1: to do with COVID, and and that's what you are
Speaker 1: worried about, that this when these guys get back on
Speaker 1: the field. Look, the Lions players might be back on
Speaker 1: the field by the time pads are on anyways, I
Speaker 1: mean that's not happening until August seventeen, not not, not
Speaker 1: a lot is really happening other than like working out
Speaker 1: and mentally preparing. But you're right, like having the unknown
Speaker 1: of like how these guys are going to deal with
Speaker 1: it afterwards is I don't know how can that not
Speaker 1: hang over you? What do you think about the Lions
Speaker 1: patra Um. I'm cautiously optimistic if Stafford can stay healthy.
Speaker 1: I liked, I liked, I mean I like the offense.
Speaker 1: I my pessimistic side is on the Mat Patricia defense
Speaker 1: because I still don't see where the pass rush is
Speaker 1: coming from, unless somehow Gerard Davis turns into uh edge
Speaker 1: rush or something out overnight, because I don't see where
Speaker 1: he's gonna fit in otherwise, or Jamie Collins becomes something
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen in the last few years. I
Speaker 1: don't see where they're gonna get pressure the back end.
Speaker 1: The defense doesn't bother me so much. I like a cop.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a really stud player that's
Speaker 1: gonna fill in for Slay a lot um. But there's again,
Speaker 1: there's this whole pessimistic side that this is a team
Speaker 1: last year that had no depth, and you saw that
Speaker 1: when Stafford went out and other guys started getting hurt.
Speaker 1: Still doesn't have a lot of depths, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be huge in this year with guys going on the
Speaker 1: COVID list. It's gonna happen. Since some Lions already got sick.
Speaker 1: So you just assume that's gonna happen during this season.
Speaker 1: And if you have a shallow roster, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna get screwed at the end of the day. You know,
Speaker 1: you talk about teams like the Saints, like the forty Niners,
Speaker 1: like the Ravens, like the Chiefs, the upper echelon's team
Speaker 1: they can withstand a guy going down to a position
Speaker 1: group Bob Quinn's fourth year there you know, shouldn't be
Speaker 1: but are I mean, when you're basically you're banking on
Speaker 1: ex pats the whole time, and that's your that's how
Speaker 1: you're building your roster, you're gonna be shellow because these
Speaker 1: veterans you know who they are, and you know who
Speaker 1: they're not, and they're not they don't have crazy upside anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin, let me ask you this, if you
Speaker 1: were to get if you were to get a Lions win,
Speaker 1: for every thousand news articles that you've written for NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com, I put them at about eleven or twelve
Speaker 1: win team at this point, if not a twenty win
Speaker 1: team right to the Super Bowl twenty and oh but
Speaker 1: you know I I we all deal with this variously
Speaker 1: in our newsroom. Um, if you root for a bad
Speaker 1: football teams. Yeah, I was gonna ask that, right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's you're playing the Pro Bowl too. They're gonna
Speaker 1: go back to the old format. If it were the
Speaker 1: old format, you could go twenty and oh, if you
Speaker 1: went sixteen and oh and maybe one an extra preseason game.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The championships used to ply the College
Speaker 1: All Stars. We're gonna go back to that throw that
Speaker 1: I'm getting killed for math on this show. That's where
Speaker 1: we're at with this point. I mean, I would just
Speaker 1: ask you, though, do you feel that the National because
Speaker 1: I think it was the last show where I said
Speaker 1: I thought they could be the seventh the seventh playoff
Speaker 1: team in the NFC, because I could see them maybe
Speaker 1: just go in old school and running the ball like
Speaker 1: forty five thousand times and just maybe sneaking in there.
Speaker 1: There is a reason to kind of like the potential
Speaker 1: the Lions. Do you think when we but the other
Speaker 1: four thousand times I mentioned them, I just sort of
Speaker 1: feel like they're boring. Do you think that's an unfair
Speaker 1: viewpoint from the national media, Yes, just specifically you Mark,
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair open that on my own. Even
Speaker 1: that you've gone through the pain of a losing team
Speaker 1: year after year after year, just to look north of
Speaker 1: your rooting interests and just decide to kick us at
Speaker 1: every moment on the show, I think is just completely unfair.
Speaker 1: I just called you the seventh NFC better a bigger heart. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're trying to you know, one kissed on the cheek
Speaker 1: is not worth too little, too late, I hear you.
Speaker 1: Uh I don't, can I can I say something that track?
Speaker 1: I A lot of people are buzzing about the Lions
Speaker 1: if they can be healthy and on the field. I'm
Speaker 1: a little surprised that people are so pumped up about
Speaker 1: the Lions. Not not that they're so pumped up, but
Speaker 1: this team ended last year on a nine game losing streak.
Speaker 1: Their defense was horrendous, and the head coach he just
Speaker 1: and listen. It's coming from a fan of a team
Speaker 1: that needs to get rid of their head coaching. You
Speaker 1: already know it, and he's still there. Patricia, to me
Speaker 1: has all that you're markets are one of those guys
Speaker 1: that just doesn't work out, and you you're almost planning
Speaker 1: ahead even while the season is yet to begin, as
Speaker 1: the future without him. I mean, maybe Matthew Stafford does
Speaker 1: stay healthy. But this idea, there's two things going on.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some division previews, so I don't want
Speaker 1: to get it too big picture. But two things that
Speaker 1: surprised me. What I've heard this summer's people talking up
Speaker 1: the lines and people assuming the Packers are gonna come
Speaker 1: down to Earth or somehow slip um this season. That
Speaker 1: surprises me as well. Oh, I think you got two
Speaker 1: fold things. I think that people saw what the lines
Speaker 1: look like with Stafford when he was healthy, and he
Speaker 1: was top ten quarterback. In my opinion, I think he
Speaker 1: flew under the radar a lot because of because they
Speaker 1: lost some games and this is a team team that
Speaker 1: could have started out six and oh, I mean he
Speaker 1: should have met the Chiefs that that game wasn't that
Speaker 1: is a great game they I think that's what people
Speaker 1: are clinging to. Now I agree with you on the
Speaker 1: mat Patricia thing. I think, I mean, looks, let's let's
Speaker 1: be honest. He took over for a coach who was
Speaker 1: a dead man walk in the time they got the
Speaker 1: G they's hired the GM, So I mean I was
Speaker 1: confused as to what Bob Quinn has been doing since
Speaker 1: the moment he took over. Why I understand that Martha
Speaker 1: Ford wanted to keep Jim called well, but why why
Speaker 1: did he get a second year when you knew he
Speaker 1: was gone right then after that and they wanted Patricia.
Speaker 1: It's been ear Mark since the moment Bob Quinn took over.
Speaker 1: So it's just been a a cavalcade of thing of
Speaker 1: moves that don't stack on top of one another. And
Speaker 1: to get rid of him again this after this year,
Speaker 1: if it's like you said, it's so you know, it's
Speaker 1: a with a bust win or bust here for for
Speaker 1: both of them. So they're gonna be starting over from
Speaker 1: scratch again. And then do you get rid of the
Speaker 1: Darryl bevel if Matthew Stafford looks great with him? But
Speaker 1: you you go six and ten because your head coach,
Speaker 1: you know, can come up with one good defensive scheme
Speaker 1: of year. Well, they have defensive players this year they add,
Speaker 1: you know, when your defense is as bad as they were.
Speaker 1: I think the way that they approached it of just
Speaker 1: adding so many pieces is the right move because they're
Speaker 1: just trying to get to average, and they added NFL
Speaker 1: quality guys I'm not as down on Patrician necessarily. I
Speaker 1: think he's got to have a chance. He's not a
Speaker 1: defensive mastermind, and it's not like the Patriots defenses with
Speaker 1: him were so bad. But the reason I think they
Speaker 1: are exciting they have been a boring franchise. I'll buy that.
Speaker 1: But the reason they're exciting is because their offense. I mean,
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, I think you're under selling him in terms
Speaker 1: of the top ten quarterback. I think he was like
Speaker 1: a top three or four quarterback for the six or
Speaker 1: seven games he's in there. Now. Maybe it's a sample
Speaker 1: size thing you shouldn't get too carried away, but I
Speaker 1: I honestly don't think there was even a question. I
Speaker 1: thought that was the best he was playing in his
Speaker 1: entire career. And then you look at the pieces around him.
Speaker 1: The line is fine. I don't think it's a great line,
Speaker 1: but I think it's fine. It's not bad. DeAndre shift
Speaker 1: Swift was the one running back in the class. I
Speaker 1: thought was like, if he was coming out ten years ago,
Speaker 1: he might have been a top ten pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just says everything you could pope posibly wanting a
Speaker 1: running back. You have Carrie on Johnson's who is a
Speaker 1: great backup. You f T. J. Hockenson, who should be
Speaker 1: better in his second year, and you still have Galladay,
Speaker 1: Jones and Amundola, which is a rock solid, if not
Speaker 1: better receiver group. I mean, that is a that is
Speaker 1: a fun offense that was playing really well. The honestly,
Speaker 1: the only thing that worries me about all that was
Speaker 1: it was six games and it's Darryl Bevil and it's like,
Speaker 1: maybe we're putting a little too much on those six games.
Speaker 1: But those six games, there was a lot to believe
Speaker 1: that that you could carry it over and that they
Speaker 1: would be maybe a top five, six seven offense, that
Speaker 1: they have that type of potential. Yeah, like I said before,
Speaker 1: I mean you named all the pieces, but aside from
Speaker 1: having two backs, Now, where's the depth, I mean the
Speaker 1: wide receiver group. I don't see the depth there. Now,
Speaker 1: you can you find a fourth guy, but if Kenny
Speaker 1: Golladay gets hurt, Marvin Jones gets hurt again, I think
Speaker 1: they're just too thin at all those positions that they
Speaker 1: need everybody to stay healthy for sixteen games in order
Speaker 1: to contend the idea that I'm buying. Matt Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: a top five quarterback from wire to wire. I'll buy that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get that, but I think he was
Speaker 1: playing at that sort of level for for a five
Speaker 1: or six game stretch there last year. I want to
Speaker 1: rectify something, Patra, because it annoyed me in the moment.
Speaker 1: Uh and now we have a golden opportunity on Friday Show, UM, myself,
Speaker 1: Greg and Mark all failed to really nail down what
Speaker 1: happened in Matt staff Stafford's loan playoffs start in his career.
Speaker 1: Um A a loss to the Cowboys. It was the
Speaker 1: week before the Dez Caught It game, but none of
Speaker 1: us in the moment could remember why it was so
Speaker 1: painful and why Lions fans were angry afterwards. I want
Speaker 1: you to be the voice of the Lions fans and
Speaker 1: tell tell America and the world why the Lions got.
Speaker 1: The fact that not none of you great football minds
Speaker 1: remember is just exemplified. Forget about you, you're hurrying. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's true. I got over out of the next week
Speaker 1: by penalty on the Cowboys pass interference. They threw the
Speaker 1: freaking flag and then got together decided they didn't want
Speaker 1: to piss off Jerry Jones and took picked up the
Speaker 1: flag and then we had the worst punting that went
Speaker 1: negative seventy five yards the wrong way and lost the game.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did say something about pass interference on
Speaker 1: the show, by the way, but I couldn't. So, yes,
Speaker 1: maybe karma caught up to the Cowboys the next week.
Speaker 1: Is that? Did you? I guess as a Lions fan,
Speaker 1: you got some something out of that. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: it was the Packers, but yeah, you know, it's true.
Speaker 1: It's all. That's why the Lions will always stay high
Speaker 1: up on the pain rankings, because with the true painful
Speaker 1: franchises there, there's layers to it. Just when you think
Speaker 1: that the onion is peeled back all the way, there's
Speaker 1: just more. And Patra, as a true fan, sees that
Speaker 1: one last thing, Patra, they are an apology another that's
Speaker 1: happening here. I don't know. And by the way, congratulations
Speaker 1: on the birth of your son. It's been too long.
Speaker 1: It's been too long. He's almost four months. How you doing.
Speaker 1: How's how's fatherhood in a pandemic? Uh? You know, it
Speaker 1: was the first couple of months when he didn't see anybody,
Speaker 1: that was pretty good. We got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to be parents without you know, the in laws over
Speaker 1: every other week and such. So, but it's good that
Speaker 1: gets a little tricky with the in laws. Better hope
Speaker 1: they're not around the NFL fans. They're American. But my
Speaker 1: apology Patrick is this and again an apology on behalf.
Speaker 1: This one not on behalf of the podcast. This one's
Speaker 1: just me. When Nick Shook hit the scene and started
Speaker 1: showing up in the podcast studio with that body, huh,
Speaker 1: I might have been taken. It might have been carried
Speaker 1: away by it. I might even given your drop to
Speaker 1: Nick Shook the workout drop at all. That was wrong
Speaker 1: because you you are sneaky, yoked. You've always been somebody
Speaker 1: that's at a masculine build, and I want to tell
Speaker 1: you that I still appreciate your body, and just from
Speaker 1: the looks of this conversation own, thank you, sir, I
Speaker 1: appreciate I'm actually gonna go work out in about twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: so I'll be thinking of you. And I've been working
Speaker 1: on right now. I'm doing um Insanity Max thirty. Beach
Speaker 1: Body know we are. Kevin and I have had many
Speaker 1: conversations about beach Body, so I feel like We're really
Speaker 1: missing West in this conversation though, because West was kind
Speaker 1: of the Kevin Patrick body truth there, because it was
Speaker 1: always like, yeah, like maybe it's like maybe maybe you Well,
Speaker 1: in his mind it was the truth. Third, you know,
Speaker 1: like I went, Dan's giving him a little too much pop.
Speaker 1: I think he said something like I've seen a billion
Speaker 1: five ft nine guys who weigh a hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: pounds or something. Yeah, yeah, which he pounds off me.
Speaker 1: But that's fair. Uh. You know, I appreciate all all
Speaker 1: criticisms and all praise equally. You do, like like a
Speaker 1: fireman in his in his prime right now unit in Livonia, Michigan.
Speaker 1: There you go shout out to what's your brother's name?
Speaker 1: Shot out to Matt Patra the fireman. How about that?
Speaker 1: Who gets more respect in the family, your firefighter brother
Speaker 1: or you who has carved out a really good media
Speaker 1: career at the nfl UM Probably well, I mean it depends.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna answer that question. Thank on that one,
Speaker 1: all right, Patra. I know you have at a point
Speaker 1: where with the I T Department, which everyone dreads at
Speaker 1: the level of like a dentist root canal scenario. Well,
Speaker 1: so good luck with that, sir. I mean, it really
Speaker 1: comes down to and it's not just the NFL, is
Speaker 1: any any big company when you call it to it
Speaker 1: all depends who you get because there are some great
Speaker 1: people in the department that will help you out. And
Speaker 1: somewhere it's like, oh my afternoon is over. This is
Speaker 1: gonna be terrible. Patro rolling the dice in real time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for Patrick's brother out there, but they
Speaker 1: respect you said that firefighting, I mean it was saving lives.
Speaker 1: How about writing a writing a blog on the four
Speaker 1: new additions to the Jaguars COVID nineteen less exactly. How
Speaker 1: about covering six Super Bowls? Right priorities? Please? Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, that was good. It's been too long,
Speaker 1: he really Maybe, as Mark alluded to in terms of
Speaker 1: his the amount of post he's written. If I had
Speaker 1: to guess, I think Kevin Patra has more page views
Speaker 1: than any writer in NFL dot com history. I think
Speaker 1: it has to doubt. It has to be. I mean
Speaker 1: he's gone NonStop for I mean, we were in there
Speaker 1: for for a while, but um now, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: even had a lead over Patrick probably for a while there.
Speaker 1: But but he's he's dusted us. It's almost impossible to
Speaker 1: imagine this now, but I I remember working Saturday shifts
Speaker 1: when we were the news writers and doing sixteen stories
Speaker 1: in one day. Absolutely, Patrick Patrick has been grinding uh
Speaker 1: that path for for many years. And he's a good man.
Speaker 1: All right, before we go, here's the problem. Here is
Speaker 1: the problem with ballers. Ultimately, what HBO and The Rock
Speaker 1: attempted to do was create sports Entourage, and they we
Speaker 1: all remember Entourage, the the autsu HBO comedy, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of become a bit of a punchline with the
Speaker 1: benefit of hindsight. But if you were in that moment,
Speaker 1: if you were in your twenties in that decade there
Speaker 1: and I will raise my hand to this and I
Speaker 1: and I think there's many listeners that are in our
Speaker 1: age range. Of the same way you watched Entrage, you
Speaker 1: kind of into it. It was kind of a way
Speaker 1: to like live vicariously. What would it be like to
Speaker 1: be rich and famous and in your twenties in Hollywood?
Speaker 1: And then the show just got increasingly terrible. By the
Speaker 1: time Entourage ended, we didn't need Entourage anymore. But The
Speaker 1: Rock and HBO says, let's let's cook this, let's cook
Speaker 1: this stew up again and throw in the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: and the NFL and all this stuff. And it was
Speaker 1: just like it left a really bad taste in my mouth.
Speaker 1: That's why I hate ballers. Hey, I mean, that's your
Speaker 1: right to to judge it as you see, as you
Speaker 1: see fit. How many episodes did you watch? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm generally with you, but I watched. I did, honestly
Speaker 1: watch probably three or four. BEU. I really wanted to
Speaker 1: give it a chance, and I love HBO. I do
Speaker 1: you know. I think, Look, maybe a fictional weekly football
Speaker 1: show could work or not. But I think the part
Speaker 1: of the problem is, are you gotta be better than
Speaker 1: hard Knocks? Are you gonna better than Last Chance You?
Speaker 1: I thought I was done with Last Chance You and
Speaker 1: the buzz out there? Is this the best season yet?
Speaker 1: Had to turn it back on and it's awesome. Like,
Speaker 1: I know, it's not that sort of things not for everyone.
Speaker 1: But if you're not going to top the drama and
Speaker 1: the characters that you're getting in those reality shows, you
Speaker 1: don't need it. You don't need balls. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: say the NFL's actual news cycle has better stuff. Happening
Speaker 1: than Ballers did too. It's kind of like a House
Speaker 1: of Cards scenario where real life started to trump plat
Speaker 1: plots that were fantastical in a dated time. I mean, Ballers,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not pushing the envelope enough when those
Speaker 1: episodes were coming out based on the floor that I saw, Ricky,
Speaker 1: you get the final thought on Ballers. Yeah, no, it sucks.
Speaker 1: You never know. I but it's not like I've seen
Speaker 1: clips of It's terrible, all right. I'm just hedging my
Speaker 1: bets for when like takes over a big chunk of
Speaker 1: NFL media, like two years from now, like that Guy
Speaker 1: Show and my my one last rant. Kai for Bath
Speaker 1: got released by the Cowboys, and it's like, why did
Speaker 1: you even sign him? Why did you waste the man's time? Dallas,
Speaker 1: Jarrah Stephen, the whole game McCarthy when he just went
Speaker 1: and gave Greg's airline a nice contract, and then you
Speaker 1: keep Kai and Libo for months, and now where is Kai?
Speaker 1: Kai is unemployed in the midst of a pandemic that's
Speaker 1: getting worse by the day. You didn't do right by
Speaker 1: Kai Kai Kai. But Kai doesn't deserve that, and the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys speaking at Karma. Karma got you in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: It's coming for you again for what you didn't Kai
Speaker 1: four bath. If he's out of lage, if he's out
Speaker 1: of the league, if he's made his last kick, after
Speaker 1: what he did for your franchise at the end of December,
Speaker 1: you were a mess in your special team's game. And
Speaker 1: what did he do? He shows up, he goes nine
Speaker 1: for nine and he just kicks everything straight through the middle.
Speaker 1: And this is how you treat him. You try to
Speaker 1: ruin the guy's career. Were According to over the cap
Speaker 1: dot com, Kai did get a hundred and thirty seven
Speaker 1: thousand dollars guaranteed for that contract, So that's a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, that's more gym equipment for Kai to
Speaker 1: be Kai. That's uh. I mean he could be in
Speaker 1: a support group with Brian Walter. To why Brian Walter
Speaker 1: is getting dropped to the curb in August? Isn't that
Speaker 1: helpful timing either? I mean it's you know, did you
Speaker 1: say more gym equipment? What is he spending that money on?
Speaker 1: I mean he's got you know, the new entertainment all right? Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's it, Mark, Good luck with the move. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I would love to help you with the move, but
Speaker 1: I was just traveling and it's very important that I
Speaker 1: quarantine right now, so I just can't can't help you out.
Speaker 1: I understand. What do you mean, Well, it's this sort
Speaker 1: of slow ho chi minh trail process that will take
Speaker 1: place over the next seventeen or eighteen days. I was
Speaker 1: doing when start how is I'm not judging either, but
Speaker 1: I would just claim it's not a pleasant experience. But
Speaker 1: thank you Greg for always diminishing what we your friends
Speaker 1: go through. It's appreciated, but I am unlivable in fourteen days.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We will speak then I'm literally leaving the
Speaker 1: still right now, all right? By Mark stan Hansas. He
Speaker 1: did he actually actually I think he was done with
Speaker 1: today's show. Is a very legitimate take I have. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was done thy minutes ago. I think he was
Speaker 1: done with Greg too. Oh yeah, you really you gotta
Speaker 1: text him, Greg, Yeah, this might be a text. He's
Speaker 1: not the first one, you know, it's not the first time.
Speaker 1: He's not the first one. Just is this is this
Speaker 1: one of those days, Greg? The only it happens a
Speaker 1: couple of times a year. Maybe where you you have
Speaker 1: to say. The reach out text to Mark is this
Speaker 1: is this qualify? I mean, it's probably more than a
Speaker 1: couple of days. I don't know. I mean, my life
Speaker 1: is just a series of people that I annoy as
Speaker 1: I you know, travel along, travel along the human trail.
Speaker 1: All right. On that note, this is Dan Heads a
Speaker 1: signing off for in absentia, the Quiet Storm, the mail
Speaker 1: man who's doing well by the way, he's working at it,
Speaker 1: and he's he's working his way through this and we
Speaker 1: hope to see him back with this sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: The Old Boss and the Great Ricky Hollywood behind the
Speaker 1: Glass until Wednesday,