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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast is very popular with British men.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition to Be Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from

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Speaker 1: a virtual room build with heroes Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What's up, boys? I mean, I think we we rage

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Speaker 1: with with the British men, but there's at least eleven

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Speaker 1: UM British females that tune into our show. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: at least, I think it could even be twelve. It's

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Speaker 1: a real shame that we're not going to be going

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Speaker 1: overseas this year because of you know. But I will

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Speaker 1: say we can rest easy knowing that we were making progress.

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Speaker 1: Year one, our first trip to London in two thousand eighteen,

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Speaker 1: there were three people that were not white males at

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Speaker 1: the UM Live show and thereby force, potentially there was

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Speaker 1: no evidence that they went out and bought their own tickets.

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Speaker 1: Right year two, there were at least eleven women. It

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Speaker 1: was a little more diverse in general. UK UK fans

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Speaker 1: get a lot of pop and we're doing a little

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Speaker 1: NFL UK show. They announced uh later this week on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: The information is on the NFL UK Twitter Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Twitter to a little live show with Neil Reynolds.

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Speaker 1: That'll be fun. But I want to say give a

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Speaker 1: little shout out to our Canadian listeners because you can't

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Speaker 1: get so much pop. I happen to be perusing our

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Speaker 1: like analytics and looking at the international numbers, and it's

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Speaker 1: like Canada is a strong number two, and it's they're

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Speaker 1: don't we don't give a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: pop to the Canadians. And while we're here, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give some pop to the American listeners. It is

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Speaker 1: our largest audience. And uh always always love you know,

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Speaker 1: you know the old Zoo or he loves the USA.

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Speaker 1: These colors don't run all that all right, this is

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Speaker 1: suld I pick a nation or a country to post stuff,

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Speaker 1: not too late, Very excited about the Estonian listening contingent.

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Speaker 1: There's at least six or seven of them, and they're

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Speaker 1: there die hards according to Greg's analytical map. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's always funny though when Dan points out like he

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Speaker 1: loves the USA, as if like he loves it more

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Speaker 1: than he's trying to say he loves it more than

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Speaker 1: us I see what I do it I think he

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Speaker 1: might do. I think we are a flawed country, but

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Speaker 1: so too is every human. You know, we're we're working

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Speaker 1: bones of this nation, what it represents, is a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 1: But we could always strive to be better us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: now let's get to it. What's happening. America is not

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Speaker 1: in a it's not a place. It's an idea. Boys,

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Speaker 1: I'm letting you stay bed on this. It's you know. See,

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Speaker 1: that's why I love the country, Mark, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: all love it. We all love it. I see it

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Speaker 1: as a complex idea. All right, today's show is a

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Speaker 1: good one. We um, we're what we We've talked about

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. We're trying to navigate this. We've done

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Speaker 1: over a thousand episodes we've done. I think this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be what our eighth or ninth season. But this

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Speaker 1: one is like no other season for obvious reasons. With

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Speaker 1: the nineteen and as such, it does feel a little

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Speaker 1: in the moment and just document what's going on right

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Speaker 1: now and how the landscape looks as the NFL attempts

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Speaker 1: to work its way through this really tricky situation that's

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Speaker 1: presented itself in So we're gonna do all the news.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have an a good friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: a man who's I want to just say, who's Bob.

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Speaker 1: Maybe lost some spotlight. It didn't lose any greatness, but

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Speaker 1: it lost some spotlight because Nick Shook rolled in with

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Speaker 1: those giant traps and biceps and all that stuff. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's time for somebody else's body to get the recognition

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Speaker 1: that it never deserved to lose in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So that that's my tease for later in the show

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Speaker 1: to talk about the Detroit Lions on the team that's

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Speaker 1: dealing with some very serious COVID nineteen issues itself right now.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it plenty to talk about Ricky.

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Speaker 1: Let's hit the news. Yeah, Wayne understands that the NFL

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Speaker 1: is the most profitable sports league on Earth, and there

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Speaker 1: season's a shame Derek Carr went down when he did, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a great QB. And that is the most I've

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Speaker 1: heard or watched from Ba Dolers since the first episode,

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Speaker 1: when I couldn't believe that Home Box Office had botched

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Speaker 1: star cameos galore, and somehow it was like our less

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Speaker 1: level bad. I hate Ballers. I never saw it, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't need to see that. I mean, Glazer actually

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Speaker 1: it's the pre eminent version of that type of article,

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Speaker 1: seen probably four or five episodes. I'm not as down

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Speaker 1: thinking that he could be part of rebranding it and

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Speaker 1: But he's a very successful man. Maybe him and his partners,

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Speaker 1: They're keeping it together for the for the biz. Uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe they could figure something out to make the first

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Speaker 1: It's that time again. Doug Peterson, the head coach of

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Speaker 1: Tim McManus reported it uh. He added that Peterson believes

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Speaker 1: Greg Obstacles upon obstacles right now. If I think, more

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Speaker 1: And Peterson spoke with the media on Monday. He's still

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Speaker 1: be interim. He'll he'll be an interim coach for the

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Speaker 1: second time in three or four years. Williams of again, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm being optimistic. You're gonna get a better coach, which

431
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: they probably have done earlier. About optimistics, you're in a

432
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Speaker 1: better environment. I think you could make a better argument. Well,

433
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Speaker 1: Williams has a history. He was really good at improving

434
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Speaker 1: kind of an under talented group to average or better

435
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: than average, and the second year usually goes okay, and

436
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Speaker 1: then it usually starts kind of going off the rails.

437
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Speaker 1: But they're right, you know, we don't need to linger

438
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Speaker 1: on the Jets too much. But it's funny. I remember

439
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Speaker 1: writing something about the Jets earlier this offseason. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you look at their roster I think

441
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: the only position groups that are average or better or

442
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Speaker 1: have a chance to be average or better are inside

443
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Speaker 1: linebacker in safety. And now now those ones that I

444
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say would qualify either. They'll probably keep Avery Williamson,

445
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Speaker 1: who was maybe not gonna make the team. We don't

446
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Speaker 1: really know. And and I am gonna point out it

447
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: really reminds me of Juwan James, who wasn't in a rundown.

448
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna throw it out there anyways. The Broncos

449
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Speaker 1: right tackle, who like Mosley, got a huge salary like

450
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Speaker 1: two of the highest paid players in free agency last

451
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Speaker 1: year in terms of guaranteed money, barely played at all

452
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Speaker 1: because of an injury last year like Mosley, and also

453
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Speaker 1: opted out on Monday. And also, that's gonna be, you know,

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Speaker 1: a troubling position group potentially for the for the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: So like two guys, it's free agency, it's it's always

456
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Speaker 1: a risk. And these are two guys who got a

457
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Speaker 1: lot of casts right now, not you're not You're not

458
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Speaker 1: gonna find the right tack. The Jets also released Ryan Winters,

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Speaker 1: their guard. He's been a start since he should catch

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Speaker 1: on somewhere else as either a depth or starting piece. Uh,

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Speaker 1: speaking of the opt out Patriots safety and they're forever

462
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Speaker 1: Captain Devin mccordy on Sunday, he he spoke out he's

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Speaker 1: angry with the NFL for attempting to move the deadline

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Speaker 1: in which players can decide whether or not they want

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Speaker 1: to opt out this year. Here's what mccordy had to say.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an absolute joke that, uh, the NFL

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Speaker 1: is changing in the opt out period manly because they

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Speaker 1: don't want to continue to see guys opt out. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they're shot about how many guys have opted out.

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Speaker 1: I think it's terrible. I think it's bus that the

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Speaker 1: league has changed that day. And the Patriots, of course,

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Speaker 1: Greg have had eight players opt out of the season.

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Speaker 1: That's the most in the NFL. And you wonder if

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Speaker 1: mccordy speaking out like this, if he could be next. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: listening to um his quote, there are a couple of

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Speaker 1: interesting things. Number one was what you just said the

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Speaker 1: way he mentioned it, he thought players still hadn't decided,

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Speaker 1: that they haven't even been in the facility, and that

479
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Speaker 1: there there's gonna be more to come. And so that

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Speaker 1: was that was my take, which which has been born

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Speaker 1: out because I think when we last spoke, we were

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Speaker 1: in the mid twenties in terms of opt outs, and

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Speaker 1: now we're we're speaking Monday afternoon, we're in the mid forties.

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Speaker 1: So it's almost bolt since since Friday, and it looked

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Speaker 1: like it's going to continue. And he indicated, you know,

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Speaker 1: may maybe he wasn't, um, you know, totally on board

487
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Speaker 1: or not. The other thing that's interesting to me is

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Speaker 1: he's responding to a report from Adam Schefter that the

489
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Speaker 1: NFL was gonna make the deadline Tuesday or Wednesday instead

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Speaker 1: of being one week from when they actually signed the

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Speaker 1: c b A. Remember when we were like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: they signed the c b A and we we said

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Speaker 1: that live on NFL network. You know, we retaped like

494
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Speaker 1: a whole second. That was that was ten days ago.

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Speaker 1: They still haven't signed. It still hasn't happened. Like the

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Speaker 1: players don't have to let them move that deadline, so

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Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything about it since that's kind of

498
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Speaker 1: a floating story. And if they are going to move

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Speaker 1: that deadline, the players are probably gonna ask for something

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Speaker 1: in return. There's no I have no idea what that

501
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Speaker 1: would be though, And and Dan the other side to

502
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Speaker 1: the report of agents saying that there's this sort of

503
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Speaker 1: negotiating for new contracts is there is concern, according to

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Speaker 1: Florio through a source un named source, that players are

505
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Speaker 1: just using this as a way to guarantee income um,

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Speaker 1: even though that doesn't make a lot of sense because

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00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: it would come out of next year. Players on the

508
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: bubble are saying, if I'm if I think I might

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Speaker 1: not make this team, I'm opting out to get the money,

510
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Speaker 1: But you still have to give it back if you

511
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: didn't make a team next year. So I find that

512
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Speaker 1: to be a dubious idea. And look, I mean, if anything,

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Speaker 1: I think the opt out, and this is just my

514
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: personal belief, should be extended. They should put it out

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Speaker 1: a number more of more weeks, because this has to

516
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Speaker 1: be a careful decision that you don't either you don't

517
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Speaker 1: want to rush to opt out when you find out

518
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Speaker 1: the team is handling it the way you are. If

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Speaker 1: we were gonna go back into the workplace with a

520
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: similar situation and you had family members concerned what you

521
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: it makes sense that you'd say, let me go see

522
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Speaker 1: what it's like. Let's get an idea of how much

523
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: uh this thing we think this can work and then

524
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Speaker 1: make a decision, versus having to do it in a rush.

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Speaker 1: I hate the idea that players feel. If more people

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Speaker 1: feel like mccordy, that they're being pressured into this decision.

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Speaker 1: I'm totally with you, and I'm gonna bring Kevin Patron

528
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: right now, our buddy, to jump in on the combo

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Speaker 1: if you like, why wouldn't it Why wouldn't you, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: I'll set you up at this. Why wouldn't you extend

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Speaker 1: that opt out too deep into the training camp? Because

532
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: don't you want to see if you're that player? I

533
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: want to get on the field. I wanna be hitting

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00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: some people. I want to see how those tests come back,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll decide if I'm gonna try to play

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Speaker 1: a whole season. It does feel like they're putting the

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Speaker 1: players in a needlessly difficult situation decision wise. Well, I

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00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: can't completely disagree with you, damn, But I mean you

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Speaker 1: think of from a coach's re sective. I just jumped

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Speaker 1: on this call, so I don't know what you guys

541
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: have been through before. But if coaches are uh constant

542
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: whiners about everything they can't control, so that's just another

543
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: thing you're throwing at them, and they're gonna they're gonna whine,

544
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: and they're gonna complain about not knowing what players they have,

545
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: and you're just giving players. I mean, is it gonna

546
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: be a situation where you got a player who probably

547
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: knows he's cut, then he just takes the opt out

548
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to getting cut. So put it on baseball

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Speaker 1: players are still opting now in the middle of the season,

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Speaker 1: that that seems problematic. And ultimately the players agreed that

551
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: they would. You know, that the deadline would be a

552
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: week after they signed this thing, so so it's it's

553
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be later than that, but it is. It's

554
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: fascinating to me they're still negotiating like these they're even

555
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: sending out transactions. Okay, this guy's officially opped out, this

556
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: guy's on the COVID nine teamless. They actually haven't even

557
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: signed an agreement that those designations exist. It's a it's

558
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: a very strange time and there's a lot of trust

559
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: between both sides. Actually think the players have done a

560
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: pretty good job, as Devin McCarthy kind of pointed out,

561
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: standing their ground. And this is one I wouldn't be

562
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: surprised if they do stay on their ground and the

563
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Speaker 1: the date doesn't wind up getting pushed in the end, Patra,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening in the news. Yes, Kevin

565
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Patrick is joining the show. It's been a while. It's

566
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Speaker 1: been too long. In fact, it's been so happy that yes,

567
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: it has been. And it's it's the reason we you

568
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: sprung to mind, Patras, because we wanted to pick one

569
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Speaker 1: of these teams that's dealing with a lot of drama

570
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: right now and in this modern NFL landscape, and your

571
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: detro Lions are right at the top of the list

572
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: because not only do they have I believe seven players

573
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Speaker 1: on the COVID nineteen list, it's also now Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 1: And it happens said against the backdrop of a very

575
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: important year for the Lions, a year where there's a belief,

576
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: Greg I think you talked about it on our Leaky

577
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Trendy I think they're kind of a sneaky trendy team

578
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: that they're technically a favorite according to one odds maker,

579
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of hope around the team, but

580
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: then also a pessimistic side that says matt Patricia is

581
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: still a head coach and they say, gonna work. Where's

582
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: your head at as the Lions fan is just someone

583
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: that follows and writes about the league so well on

584
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: NFL dot com right now. Yeah, Well, I think we're

585
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: all in the world of unknown. We don't know anything.

586
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Like there's a part of me that says, well, we

587
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: don't know about COVID a lot, a lot of it.

588
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a thing where you know, Matthew Stafford

589
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: contracted it and now he's he's gonna be clear, he's

590
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: got he's got antibodies that he's not gonna have to

591
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: worry about it later in the year. We don't know

592
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: that yet or not. So I think that the optimistic

593
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: side says, well, maybe we get us out of the

594
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: way early. And I think with Stafford going out on

595
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: the COVID list, people are kind of forgetting that Kenny

596
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: Golladay and Hockinson are both on that list too, and

597
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: that just like triples the uh, the factor for it's

598
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: screwing up the entire offense that looked kind of like

599
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: it could be one of the better offenses when Matthew

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00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: Stafford was healthy under Daryl Bevel last year, and that

601
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, the ads swift, but the COVID situation just

602
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: does what it does to every team, and it just

603
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: a lot of unknown at this point point. I mean,

604
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: you hope Stafford's okay asymptomatic obviously, but at this point,

605
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: but what what do we know about this virus is

606
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: very little because it keeps seeming to change by the

607
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: week and by the month. Well you can kind of

608
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: the Redax player that's you know, Edward Rodrigue. We don't

609
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: know what you know. We're not expecting this to happen

610
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: to like a great number of NFL players. But you

611
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: think about the Red Sex pick picture Headward WARDO Rodriguez

612
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: who's out for the season because of complications is having

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Speaker 1: to do with COVID, and and that's what you are

614
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: worried about, that this when these guys get back on

615
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: the field. Look, the Lions players might be back on

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00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: the field by the time pads are on anyways, I

617
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: mean that's not happening until August seventeen, not not, not

618
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: a lot is really happening other than like working out

619
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Speaker 1: and mentally preparing. But you're right, like having the unknown

620
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: of like how these guys are going to deal with

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Speaker 1: it afterwards is I don't know how can that not

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Speaker 1: hang over you? What do you think about the Lions

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00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: patra Um. I'm cautiously optimistic if Stafford can stay healthy.

624
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: I liked, I liked, I mean I like the offense.

625
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: I my pessimistic side is on the Mat Patricia defense

626
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: because I still don't see where the pass rush is

627
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: coming from, unless somehow Gerard Davis turns into uh edge

628
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: rush or something out overnight, because I don't see where

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00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna fit in otherwise, or Jamie Collins becomes something

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00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen in the last few years. I

631
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: don't see where they're gonna get pressure the back end.

632
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: The defense doesn't bother me so much. I like a cop.

633
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a really stud player that's

634
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: gonna fill in for Slay a lot um. But there's again,

635
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: there's this whole pessimistic side that this is a team

636
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: last year that had no depth, and you saw that

637
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: when Stafford went out and other guys started getting hurt.

638
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Still doesn't have a lot of depths, and that's gonna

639
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: be huge in this year with guys going on the

640
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: COVID list. It's gonna happen. Since some Lions already got sick.

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00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: So you just assume that's gonna happen during this season.

642
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: And if you have a shallow roster, I think you're

643
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: gonna get screwed at the end of the day. You know,

644
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: you talk about teams like the Saints, like the forty Niners,

645
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: like the Ravens, like the Chiefs, the upper echelon's team

646
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: they can withstand a guy going down to a position

647
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: group Bob Quinn's fourth year there you know, shouldn't be

648
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: but are I mean, when you're basically you're banking on

649
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: ex pats the whole time, and that's your that's how

650
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: you're building your roster, you're gonna be shellow because these

651
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: veterans you know who they are, and you know who

652
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: they're not, and they're not they don't have crazy upside anymore.

653
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin, let me ask you this, if you

654
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: were to get if you were to get a Lions win,

655
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: for every thousand news articles that you've written for NFL

656
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: dot Com, I put them at about eleven or twelve

657
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: win team at this point, if not a twenty win

658
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: team right to the Super Bowl twenty and oh but

659
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: you know I I we all deal with this variously

660
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: in our newsroom. Um, if you root for a bad

661
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: football teams. Yeah, I was gonna ask that, right, Well,

662
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: that's that's you're playing the Pro Bowl too. They're gonna

663
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: go back to the old format. If it were the

664
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: old format, you could go twenty and oh, if you

665
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: went sixteen and oh and maybe one an extra preseason game.

666
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. The championships used to ply the College

667
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: All Stars. We're gonna go back to that throw that

668
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting killed for math on this show. That's where

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Speaker 1: we're at with this point. I mean, I would just

670
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Speaker 1: ask you, though, do you feel that the National because

671
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: I think it was the last show where I said

672
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: I thought they could be the seventh the seventh playoff

673
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: team in the NFC, because I could see them maybe

674
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: just go in old school and running the ball like

675
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: forty five thousand times and just maybe sneaking in there.

676
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: There is a reason to kind of like the potential

677
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: the Lions. Do you think when we but the other

678
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: four thousand times I mentioned them, I just sort of

679
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: feel like they're boring. Do you think that's an unfair

680
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: viewpoint from the national media, Yes, just specifically you Mark,

681
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair open that on my own. Even

682
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: that you've gone through the pain of a losing team

683
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: year after year after year, just to look north of

684
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: your rooting interests and just decide to kick us at

685
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: every moment on the show, I think is just completely unfair.

686
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: I just called you the seventh NFC better a bigger heart. Yeah, yeah,

687
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: you're trying to you know, one kissed on the cheek

688
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: is not worth too little, too late, I hear you.

689
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Uh I don't, can I can I say something that track?

690
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: I A lot of people are buzzing about the Lions

691
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: if they can be healthy and on the field. I'm

692
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: a little surprised that people are so pumped up about

693
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: the Lions. Not not that they're so pumped up, but

694
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: this team ended last year on a nine game losing streak.

695
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: Their defense was horrendous, and the head coach he just

696
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: and listen. It's coming from a fan of a team

697
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: that needs to get rid of their head coaching. You

698
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: already know it, and he's still there. Patricia, to me

699
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: has all that you're markets are one of those guys

700
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: that just doesn't work out, and you you're almost planning

701
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: ahead even while the season is yet to begin, as

702
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: the future without him. I mean, maybe Matthew Stafford does

703
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: stay healthy. But this idea, there's two things going on.

704
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some division previews, so I don't want

705
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: to get it too big picture. But two things that

706
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: surprised me. What I've heard this summer's people talking up

707
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: the lines and people assuming the Packers are gonna come

708
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: down to Earth or somehow slip um this season. That

709
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: surprises me as well. Oh, I think you got two

710
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: fold things. I think that people saw what the lines

711
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: look like with Stafford when he was healthy, and he

712
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: was top ten quarterback. In my opinion, I think he

713
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: flew under the radar a lot because of because they

714
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: lost some games and this is a team team that

715
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Speaker 1: could have started out six and oh, I mean he

716
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: should have met the Chiefs that that game wasn't that

717
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: is a great game they I think that's what people

718
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: are clinging to. Now I agree with you on the

719
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: mat Patricia thing. I think, I mean, looks, let's let's

720
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: be honest. He took over for a coach who was

721
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Speaker 1: a dead man walk in the time they got the

722
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: G they's hired the GM, So I mean I was

723
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Speaker 1: confused as to what Bob Quinn has been doing since

724
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Speaker 1: the moment he took over. Why I understand that Martha

725
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Ford wanted to keep Jim called well, but why why

726
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: did he get a second year when you knew he

727
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: was gone right then after that and they wanted Patricia.

728
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: It's been ear Mark since the moment Bob Quinn took over.

729
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: So it's just been a a cavalcade of thing of

730
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: moves that don't stack on top of one another. And

731
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Speaker 1: to get rid of him again this after this year,

732
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Speaker 1: if it's like you said, it's so you know, it's

733
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Speaker 1: a with a bust win or bust here for for

734
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: both of them. So they're gonna be starting over from

735
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: scratch again. And then do you get rid of the

736
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Speaker 1: Darryl bevel if Matthew Stafford looks great with him? But

737
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Speaker 1: you you go six and ten because your head coach,

738
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Speaker 1: you know, can come up with one good defensive scheme

739
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Speaker 1: of year. Well, they have defensive players this year they add,

740
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, when your defense is as bad as they were.

741
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I think the way that they approached it of just

742
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: adding so many pieces is the right move because they're

743
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: just trying to get to average, and they added NFL

744
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: quality guys I'm not as down on Patrician necessarily. I

745
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: think he's got to have a chance. He's not a

746
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Speaker 1: defensive mastermind, and it's not like the Patriots defenses with

747
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: him were so bad. But the reason I think they

748
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: are exciting they have been a boring franchise. I'll buy that.

749
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: But the reason they're exciting is because their offense. I mean,

750
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, I think you're under selling him in terms

751
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: of the top ten quarterback. I think he was like

752
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: a top three or four quarterback for the six or

753
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: seven games he's in there. Now. Maybe it's a sample

754
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: size thing you shouldn't get too carried away, but I

755
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I honestly don't think there was even a question. I

756
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: thought that was the best he was playing in his

757
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: entire career. And then you look at the pieces around him.

758
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: The line is fine. I don't think it's a great line,

759
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: but I think it's fine. It's not bad. DeAndre shift

760
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Swift was the one running back in the class. I

761
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: thought was like, if he was coming out ten years ago,

762
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: he might have been a top ten pick. I mean,

763
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: he just says everything you could pope posibly wanting a

764
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: running back. You have Carrie on Johnson's who is a

765
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: great backup. You f T. J. Hockenson, who should be

766
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: better in his second year, and you still have Galladay,

767
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: Jones and Amundola, which is a rock solid, if not

768
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: better receiver group. I mean, that is a that is

769
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: a fun offense that was playing really well. The honestly,

770
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: the only thing that worries me about all that was

771
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Speaker 1: it was six games and it's Darryl Bevil and it's like,

772
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: maybe we're putting a little too much on those six games.

773
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: But those six games, there was a lot to believe

774
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Speaker 1: that that you could carry it over and that they

775
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: would be maybe a top five, six seven offense, that

776
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: they have that type of potential. Yeah, like I said before,

777
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean you named all the pieces, but aside from

778
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: having two backs, Now, where's the depth, I mean the

779
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver group. I don't see the depth there. Now,

780
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: you can you find a fourth guy, but if Kenny

781
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: Golladay gets hurt, Marvin Jones gets hurt again, I think

782
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: they're just too thin at all those positions that they

783
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: need everybody to stay healthy for sixteen games in order

784
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: to contend the idea that I'm buying. Matt Matthew Stafford

785
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: a top five quarterback from wire to wire. I'll buy that.

786
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I get that, but I think he was

787
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: playing at that sort of level for for a five

788
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: or six game stretch there last year. I want to

789
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: rectify something, Patra, because it annoyed me in the moment.

790
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Uh and now we have a golden opportunity on Friday Show, UM, myself,

791
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: Greg and Mark all failed to really nail down what

792
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: happened in Matt staff Stafford's loan playoffs start in his career.

793
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: Um A a loss to the Cowboys. It was the

794
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: week before the Dez Caught It game, but none of

795
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: us in the moment could remember why it was so

796
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: painful and why Lions fans were angry afterwards. I want

797
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: you to be the voice of the Lions fans and

798
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: tell tell America and the world why the Lions got.

799
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: The fact that not none of you great football minds

800
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: remember is just exemplified. Forget about you, you're hurrying. I mean,

801
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: it's true. I got over out of the next week

802
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: by penalty on the Cowboys pass interference. They threw the

803
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: freaking flag and then got together decided they didn't want

804
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: to piss off Jerry Jones and took picked up the

805
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: flag and then we had the worst punting that went

806
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: negative seventy five yards the wrong way and lost the game.

807
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did say something about pass interference on

808
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: the show, by the way, but I couldn't. So, yes,

809
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: maybe karma caught up to the Cowboys the next week.

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00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: Is that? Did you? I guess as a Lions fan,

811
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: you got some something out of that. Well, I mean

812
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: it was the Packers, but yeah, you know, it's true.

813
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: It's all. That's why the Lions will always stay high

814
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: up on the pain rankings, because with the true painful

815
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: franchises there, there's layers to it. Just when you think

816
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: that the onion is peeled back all the way, there's

817
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: just more. And Patra, as a true fan, sees that

818
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: one last thing, Patra, they are an apology another that's

819
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: happening here. I don't know. And by the way, congratulations

820
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: on the birth of your son. It's been too long.

821
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: It's been too long. He's almost four months. How you doing.

822
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: How's how's fatherhood in a pandemic? Uh? You know, it

823
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: was the first couple of months when he didn't see anybody,

824
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: that was pretty good. We got to figure out how

825
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: to be parents without you know, the in laws over

826
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: every other week and such. So, but it's good that

827
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: gets a little tricky with the in laws. Better hope

828
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: they're not around the NFL fans. They're American. But my

829
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: apology Patrick is this and again an apology on behalf.

830
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: This one not on behalf of the podcast. This one's

831
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: just me. When Nick Shook hit the scene and started

832
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Speaker 1: showing up in the podcast studio with that body, huh,

833
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: I might have been taken. It might have been carried

834
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: away by it. I might even given your drop to

835
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: Nick Shook the workout drop at all. That was wrong

836
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: because you you are sneaky, yoked. You've always been somebody

837
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: that's at a masculine build, and I want to tell

838
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: you that I still appreciate your body, and just from

839
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: the looks of this conversation own, thank you, sir, I

840
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: appreciate I'm actually gonna go work out in about twenty minutes,

841
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: so I'll be thinking of you. And I've been working

842
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: on right now. I'm doing um Insanity Max thirty. Beach

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00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Body know we are. Kevin and I have had many

844
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: conversations about beach Body, so I feel like We're really

845
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: missing West in this conversation though, because West was kind

846
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: of the Kevin Patrick body truth there, because it was

847
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: always like, yeah, like maybe it's like maybe maybe you Well,

848
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: in his mind it was the truth. Third, you know,

849
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: like I went, Dan's giving him a little too much pop.

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00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: I think he said something like I've seen a billion

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Speaker 1: five ft nine guys who weigh a hundred and sixty

852
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Speaker 1: pounds or something. Yeah, yeah, which he pounds off me.

853
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: But that's fair. Uh. You know, I appreciate all all

854
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: criticisms and all praise equally. You do, like like a

855
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: fireman in his in his prime right now unit in Livonia, Michigan.

856
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: There you go shout out to what's your brother's name?

857
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Shot out to Matt Patra the fireman. How about that?

858
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: Who gets more respect in the family, your firefighter brother

859
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: or you who has carved out a really good media

860
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: career at the nfl UM Probably well, I mean it depends.

861
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna answer that question. Thank on that one,

862
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: all right, Patra. I know you have at a point

863
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: where with the I T Department, which everyone dreads at

864
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: the level of like a dentist root canal scenario. Well,

865
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: so good luck with that, sir. I mean, it really

866
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: comes down to and it's not just the NFL, is

867
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: any any big company when you call it to it

868
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: all depends who you get because there are some great

869
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: people in the department that will help you out. And

870
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: somewhere it's like, oh my afternoon is over. This is

871
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: gonna be terrible. Patro rolling the dice in real time. Yeah,

872
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for Patrick's brother out there, but they

873
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: respect you said that firefighting, I mean it was saving lives.

874
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: How about writing a writing a blog on the four

875
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: new additions to the Jaguars COVID nineteen less exactly. How

876
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: about covering six Super Bowls? Right priorities? Please? Thanks guys,

877
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, that was good. It's been too long,

878
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: he really Maybe, as Mark alluded to in terms of

879
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: his the amount of post he's written. If I had

880
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: to guess, I think Kevin Patra has more page views

881
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: than any writer in NFL dot com history. I think

882
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: it has to doubt. It has to be. I mean

883
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: he's gone NonStop for I mean, we were in there

884
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 1: for for a while, but um now, you know, maybe

885
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: even had a lead over Patrick probably for a while there.

886
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: But but he's he's dusted us. It's almost impossible to

887
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: imagine this now, but I I remember working Saturday shifts

888
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: when we were the news writers and doing sixteen stories

889
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: in one day. Absolutely, Patrick Patrick has been grinding uh

890
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: that path for for many years. And he's a good man.

891
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: All right, before we go, here's the problem. Here is

892
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: the problem with ballers. Ultimately, what HBO and The Rock

893
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: attempted to do was create sports Entourage, and they we

894
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: all remember Entourage, the the autsu HBO comedy, and it's

895
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of become a bit of a punchline with the

896
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: benefit of hindsight. But if you were in that moment,

897
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: if you were in your twenties in that decade there

898
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: and I will raise my hand to this and I

899
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: and I think there's many listeners that are in our

900
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: age range. Of the same way you watched Entrage, you

901
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of into it. It was kind of a way

902
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: to like live vicariously. What would it be like to

903
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: be rich and famous and in your twenties in Hollywood?

904
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: And then the show just got increasingly terrible. By the

905
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: time Entourage ended, we didn't need Entourage anymore. But The

906
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: Rock and HBO says, let's let's cook this, let's cook

907
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: this stew up again and throw in the Miami Dolphins

908
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: and the NFL and all this stuff. And it was

909
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: just like it left a really bad taste in my mouth.

910
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: That's why I hate ballers. Hey, I mean, that's your

911
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: right to to judge it as you see, as you

912
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: see fit. How many episodes did you watch? I mean,

913
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm generally with you, but I watched. I did, honestly

914
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: watch probably three or four. BEU. I really wanted to

915
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: give it a chance, and I love HBO. I do

916
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: you know. I think, Look, maybe a fictional weekly football

917
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: show could work or not. But I think the part

918
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: of the problem is, are you gotta be better than

919
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: hard Knocks? Are you gonna better than Last Chance You?

920
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: I thought I was done with Last Chance You and

921
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: the buzz out there? Is this the best season yet?

922
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Had to turn it back on and it's awesome. Like,

923
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: I know, it's not that sort of things not for everyone.

924
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: But if you're not going to top the drama and

925
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: the characters that you're getting in those reality shows, you

926
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: don't need it. You don't need balls. I mean, I'd

927
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: say the NFL's actual news cycle has better stuff. Happening

928
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: than Ballers did too. It's kind of like a House

929
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: of Cards scenario where real life started to trump plat

930
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: plots that were fantastical in a dated time. I mean, Ballers,

931
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: it's not it's not pushing the envelope enough when those

932
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: episodes were coming out based on the floor that I saw, Ricky,

933
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: you get the final thought on Ballers. Yeah, no, it sucks.

934
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: You never know. I but it's not like I've seen

935
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: clips of It's terrible, all right. I'm just hedging my

936
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: bets for when like takes over a big chunk of

937
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: NFL media, like two years from now, like that Guy

938
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: Show and my my one last rant. Kai for Bath

939
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: got released by the Cowboys, and it's like, why did

940
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: you even sign him? Why did you waste the man's time? Dallas,

941
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: Jarrah Stephen, the whole game McCarthy when he just went

942
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: and gave Greg's airline a nice contract, and then you

943
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: keep Kai and Libo for months, and now where is Kai?

944
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: Kai is unemployed in the midst of a pandemic that's

945
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: getting worse by the day. You didn't do right by

946
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: Kai Kai Kai. But Kai doesn't deserve that, and the

947
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys speaking at Karma. Karma got you in the playoffs.

948
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: It's coming for you again for what you didn't Kai

949
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: four bath. If he's out of lage, if he's out

950
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: of the league, if he's made his last kick, after

951
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: what he did for your franchise at the end of December,

952
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: you were a mess in your special team's game. And

953
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: what did he do? He shows up, he goes nine

954
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: for nine and he just kicks everything straight through the middle.

955
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: And this is how you treat him. You try to

956
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: ruin the guy's career. Were According to over the cap

957
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: dot com, Kai did get a hundred and thirty seven

958
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: thousand dollars guaranteed for that contract, So that's a lot.

959
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, that's more gym equipment for Kai to

960
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: be Kai. That's uh. I mean he could be in

961
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: a support group with Brian Walter. To why Brian Walter

962
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: is getting dropped to the curb in August? Isn't that

963
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: helpful timing either? I mean it's you know, did you

964
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: say more gym equipment? What is he spending that money on?

965
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean he's got you know, the new entertainment all right? Anyway,

966
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: that's it, Mark, Good luck with the move. Like I said,

967
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: I would love to help you with the move, but

968
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: I was just traveling and it's very important that I

969
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: quarantine right now, so I just can't can't help you out.

970
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: I understand. What do you mean, Well, it's this sort

971
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: of slow ho chi minh trail process that will take

972
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: place over the next seventeen or eighteen days. I was

973
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: doing when start how is I'm not judging either, but

974
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: I would just claim it's not a pleasant experience. But

975
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: thank you Greg for always diminishing what we your friends

976
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: go through. It's appreciated, but I am unlivable in fourteen days.

977
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: Thank you. We will speak then I'm literally leaving the

978
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: still right now, all right? By Mark stan Hansas. He

979
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: did he actually actually I think he was done with

980
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: today's show. Is a very legitimate take I have. Oh yeah,

981
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: he was done thy minutes ago. I think he was

982
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: done with Greg too. Oh yeah, you really you gotta

983
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: text him, Greg, Yeah, this might be a text. He's

984
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: not the first one, you know, it's not the first time.

985
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: He's not the first one. Just is this is this

986
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: one of those days, Greg? The only it happens a

987
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: couple of times a year. Maybe where you you have

988
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: to say. The reach out text to Mark is this

989
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: is this qualify? I mean, it's probably more than a

990
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: couple of days. I don't know. I mean, my life

991
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: is just a series of people that I annoy as

992
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: I you know, travel along, travel along the human trail.

993
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: All right. On that note, this is Dan Heads a

994
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: signing off for in absentia, the Quiet Storm, the mail

995
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: man who's doing well by the way, he's working at it,

996
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: and he's he's working his way through this and we

997
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: hope to see him back with this sooner rather than later.

998
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: The Old Boss and the Great Ricky Hollywood behind the

999
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: Glass until Wednesday,