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Speaker 1: boutlet cash Show. We got a special guest in here.

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Speaker 1: This guy's a legend Freeway Ricky Ross is in the building.

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Speaker 1: What's up, keV. Man, it's good to finally meet you.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to my guy amor who connected us. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I've been trying to interview you for so long.

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Speaker 1: I just ended up streets along the streets every day. Man,

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Speaker 1: was just hot out. It's good to finally meet you. Man. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I've been following your story for a really long time.

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Speaker 1: You've done such a good job of building an enterprise, building,

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Speaker 1: building up just different streams of revenues that you got

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Speaker 1: out of since you got out, Man, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: feel like you just you got out in the real

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Speaker 1: work started right, Yeah, ain't no question, Well not really,

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Speaker 1: because I worked when I was in jail. Believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, I did not have enough time. When I

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Speaker 1: your days like and in what ways? Were you still

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Speaker 1: working on outside stuff while you were incarcerated? Every day?

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Speaker 1: Every day, you know, I was getting schooled by Wendy

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Speaker 1: Day on marketing. Whinny Day's legend in the music industry. Yep,

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Speaker 1: it was one of my personal coaches. You know. We

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Speaker 1: I just I just tried to stay touch and in

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Speaker 1: mentioned Whinny Day, but were there any anybody else that

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Speaker 1: whether it was actors, directors, artists, musicians that would snoop

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Speaker 1: dre they all reached out. They necessarily didn't reach out

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Speaker 1: reach out to them. You know, I knew somebody with connections.

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Speaker 1: Bernard Hopkins, uh cha, Bernard Hopkins, Berner Hopkins, a real one.

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Speaker 1: Who else? A lot of people? You know, I found

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Speaker 1: the alcoholics while I was in jail. You found the licks.

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Speaker 1: I found the licks. He's talking about Tash king T. Well.

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Speaker 1: King t was a part of the liquor. King T

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Speaker 1: was was you know King I listened to King T.

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Speaker 1: I'd beat the King of hip hop. I did not

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Speaker 1: listen to King What. What did King T tell you? Well?

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Speaker 1: I was. I was hanging out with Dick Griffy by

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, who do you listen to the seventeen

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Speaker 1: licks from? From? Well? When when when I was in MDC,

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Speaker 1: into his selle. We were Selly's and you and harry

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Speaker 1: time did you realize I could turn this into an enterprise.

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00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: Was it like after you've got your first key? No? No,

425
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: my first my first fifty I got beat out of.

426
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: I sold it to one of the big homies. Well

427
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: I didn't sell it to him. We didn't know what

428
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: it was, Memoribley who I was working. We didn't know.

429
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: We didn't know what cocaine was. I never seen cocaine before.

430
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: And this is prior to the crack era really kicking it. Yeah,

431
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: this is still powder. This is a straight power I mean,

432
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: they rocking it up, but we didn't know how to.

433
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: You didn't know what the fuck it was. Freebasing wasn't

434
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: popular at that yet, I guess right. Freebasing was. Yeah,

435
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: freebasing was was. It was popular, but not to me.

436
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: And had Richer Pride already been freebasing? Okay, the Richard

437
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: Pride already been getting down. So I had never saw cocaine.

438
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: I never saw weed at the time. I was a

439
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: tennis player, That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I was

440
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: a square. So when my partner called me over and

441
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: showed me the cocaine for the first time I saw

442
00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: cocaine was on Superfly, some real shot. Yeah. So I

443
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: was a novice. So you I got beat out my

444
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: first fifty. When you say that, what do you mean? Okay,

445
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: he took it, my guy Martin, who was the big home.

446
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: He took it, rocked it up, and he sampled it.

447
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: And at that time he got back up a piece

448
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: of rock that was about the size of a match head.

449
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: You've probably never seen a match of course, seen the

450
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: matches before it. Thirty from thirty five. I'm not twelve.

451
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: We can go to seven eleven to get free matches,

452
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah they still have matches, Yeah, they got

453
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: to I don't know my cigarette. You can say I

454
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: need a match book. I am saw, I'm match in

455
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: thirty forty years. Shit, they're still out there. Okay, Well, anyway,

456
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: it's about the size of a match head. And he said, well,

457
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: it rocked up, but now I gotta taste it. And

458
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: he cut a little piece off of it, and it

459
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: was just a teeny piece left and he threw it

460
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: on the pipe and he tasted in and he said,

461
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: I need another taste. And next thing you know, it's

462
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: like a little little teeny weeny piece. He said, Man,

463
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just smoke that and I'll pay you Friday.

464
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: That's fifty bucks worth, right, So now, oh, my boy,

465
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: fifty bucks, I'm already broke. So I'm really fucked up now.

466
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting on the porch again, like damn. I

467
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: got to call at homie and tell him I ain't

468
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: got his fifty fifty bucks sent me a decent amount

469
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: of money. Now, back then it was it was a

470
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: nice fuet of money. Yeah, so uh, I guess. About

471
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: an hour or two later, Martin pulled up again, the

472
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: one who had smoked all the rock, and he had

473
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: Big Mouse whitting. It's the first time I ever met

474
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: Big Mouse. The mouse used to hang out with Tickie

475
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: Williams and he was one of one of the guys

476
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: you know, swollen, and he jumped out he had a

477
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. He's like, man, we want one hundred dollars

478
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: worth of that, and I was like, damn, I ain't

479
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: got it. So I said, let me go call my boy.

480
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: So I called Mike. I told Mike everything that happened, Like, look, man,

481
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: I ain't got your fifty, but I got somebody here

482
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: with a hundred. We got a hundred. If you want it,

483
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: you can come get it. I'm gonna get you your

484
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: fifty whenever I get it. Yeah, And he was like,

485
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: oh my way. That was my first sale. And I

486
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: was like, damn, this shit got value. It got value.

487
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: That's crazy. At what point in time did you realize

488
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: that re rocking cocaine was the most profitable business model

489
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: for you to to really get to get the most

490
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: out of out of what you were getting from. Well, well,

491
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: how that kind of came about is is people would

492
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: come over early in the mornings, you know, seven eight

493
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: in the morning, before they go to work. You know,

494
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: they want to get a hit before they go to work.

495
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: And they'd be like, damn, man, I ain't got no utensils.

496
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: Utensils was the stuff that they cooked it up with.

497
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I got a bottle, and

498
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: I would let them use my bottle and they cook

499
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: it up, and I was like, damn, won't I just

500
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: have it ready rock for him, ready to go? Because

501
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: it's like and then we start calling it ready rock.

502
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: But we got that ready rock, we got powdered, we

503
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: got ready rock. Which one you want? Which one do

504
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: you want? And so more people started asking for rock

505
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,480
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506
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000
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Speaker 1: members had their bouts early on in my childhood with crack.

535
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Speaker 1: But crack is like one of those things that like

536
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: I feel like when you when you see the things

537
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,720
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538
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960
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539
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: all those things and they still put It's almost like

540
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: being a crack ad is like a real full time

541
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: job just to get high. It's like it's like it's

542
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: like if you wake up every day and your goal

543
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: is to get crack. It's like that's like your full

544
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: time becomes that becomes your goal. Yeah. I saw people quit,

545
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, before I start selling crack, would quit jobs

546
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: that we would kill for, right, And it's like, and

547
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: like I'm quitting, man, I'm gonna come out dan work

548
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: with y'all. Like, homie, you ain't gonna make it out

549
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: here in these streets. Did you ever try it? I

550
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: tried it for about two weeks and and what I

551
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240
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552
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: if you really liked it, you would have had I

553
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: would have I mean, I knowing me, I would have

554
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: had to strength to quit though. Yeah. And I've had

555
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: friends that I've helped quit, you know, like was out

556
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: there and they came back and then started having money. Yeah.

557
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: It's crazy because you think of like some of the

558
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, I guess when you think of being a

559
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: drug dealer, the moral I guess the moral line that

560
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: you're walking where it's like, Okay, at the time, you

561
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: don't understand in twenty or twenty five years from now,

562
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: how you're going to be necessarily affecting all the Yeah,

563
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: the crack era, absolutely, Like you don't know that when

564
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: you're living it because it's it's it's you. You can't see.

565
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: There's nobody Coody really knew though, because yeah, no one knew, right,

566
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: nobody knew about crack at that time. Yeah, it was

567
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: something new, and I'm sure it started off as people

568
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: doing it recreationally because I have friends like Brian Samson

569
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: shout him. I guy Brian who did crack in the eighties.

570
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: He used to say he used to just freebase before

571
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: he fucked. He'd be like, oh, yeah, we used to

572
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: do it in the eighties, but like we didn't really

573
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: know it was cracked yet. We just called a free basin, right,

574
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, and you're you're absolutely right. So like people,

575
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: I think it started off as some them were and

576
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: the people who was doing the all have money because

577
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: you feel you figure it back then when when when

578
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: when I started a grammar cocaine was worth like three

579
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: fifty three seventy for a gram, so everybody couldn't afford

580
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: to free base extremely rich and at the time there

581
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: was no ready rock, so people had to buy that

582
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: and then do that shit on their own. Like you said, right,

583
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: do you think that you were eat the basin. They

584
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: used to eat the base when you first started, they

585
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: was eat the basin. Were you were? You think you

586
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: were one of the first people who decided to prepackage

587
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: and have it ready the ready rock aspect. You know.

588
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Elie time said I was the first cracked millionaire, you know,

589
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: and you know it's hard to say. We don't keep stats,

590
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, we just we'd just be trying to stack

591
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: as much money as we can. Do you feel any

592
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: sort of remorse or guilt, just kind of knowing like

593
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: your part in the crack epidemic? Well, you know what,

594
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: People ask me that, and I used to contemplate with

595
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: how to answer that question, But I know how to

596
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: answer it now. I did an article with a young

597
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: lady in Chicago from the Chicago Tribune, and when she

598
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: headlined her article, she said, no regrets, only lessons. So

599
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from being in the cocaine game.

600
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'm happy with myself right now. You know,

601
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm happy with my life. I'm happy to with my

602
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: life turn out, you know, even my prison time. You know,

603
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: I accept that as being part of, yeah, my journey

604
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: of my rights to passage and who I am right now.

605
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Had I never been involved with the cocaine, I couldn't

606
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: be who I am today. You know, I wouldn't be

607
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: able to do the things that I'm going to do

608
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: in the future. Were there every little things that happened

609
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: where you were dealing with your plug that might have

610
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: like that in retrospect you think back on or you

611
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: thought back on when you realize that they were indeed,

612
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, CIA or whatever, were there like little things.

613
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: We're like, you know what now that now that I

614
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: know that this, it kind of meant like nothing like

615
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: what they're doing on snow on snowfall. Uh. You know,

616
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these guys they like walk through locks,

617
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: doors and walls, and you know they got supersensus, you know,

618
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: where they could just like figure out and somebody's watching

619
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: them and like, no, that shit don't really happen in

620
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: the DoD game. You know, we just like normal motherfuckers.

621
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: We make mistakes, you know if you forget ship, but nah,

622
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: do you remember that like the time you you knew

623
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: for the first time you had a million dollars, because

624
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: I feel like that first million has got to be memorable.

625
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there was times where you were making three

626
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: million dollars a day, right, the one hundred thousand, My

627
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: first one hundred thousand was more memory don your first million,

628
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: yeah them my first million, because you know, the dope

629
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: game is it's kind of funny because once you make

630
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand, it gets really easy to make a

631
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. That's a lot of people don't know that.

632
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: But to get to an ounce was tough. That was

633
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: like like pulling teeth out to get to an ounce

634
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: of cocaine, you know, to save up twenty eight hundred dollars, like, wow,

635
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna never get there. And then once I

636
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: did it, it was like four ounces and ten ounces

637
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: one hundred ounces, you know, just like kept spending. And

638
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: that's the same way with money. You know, once you

639
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: get to a certain level. So if, for instance, when

640
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: you're working with one hundred thousand, it's easy to profit

641
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: thirty forty thousand dollars. Yeah, I mean once you have

642
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: that one hundred k, you start playing in a different

643
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: game in terms of the amount of money you can congenerate,

644
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: can generate one hundred percent because you really really what

645
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: you do is what I did, you see, like what

646
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I found out about myself is that I don't look

647
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: at myself no more as a cocaine dealer. I was

648
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: a cocaine banker. Mmmm. So I would do like banks do,

649
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: go get money from somebody and then take it and

650
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: break it down to a bunch of other people and

651
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: then make a percentage off of each one of those people.

652
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: And that's how my money was generated. Wow. So yeah,

653
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Cocaine banker. I like that. I like

654
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: that's that's that's pretty wild for people who don't know

655
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: what area of LA what was your neighborhood? South Central?

656
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: But like Steven, then figure out. Okay, so when you're

657
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: growing up, you're coming up in the late seventies, early eighties,

658
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: right sixties. I was there when to watch riots happen.

659
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, I saw the watch es. Yeah, I

660
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: was there. I saw the burn, baby burn, you know,

661
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: the army tanks rolling down the street, the army man.

662
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you're there for the beginning of what we

663
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: you know is you know, we live in LA So

664
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: we're fully at least you know, obviously both of us.

665
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: But a lot of people culturally think of LA. They

666
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: think of the two biggest gangs in the world of

667
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: the Bloods and Crips in terms of just culturally right,

668
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: and like, I feel like your come up. You were

669
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: actually kind of there before Bloods and Crips were world famous.

670
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: You were probably running a lot of those blocks before

671
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: it became like a thing. Well, no, they was there

672
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: before I started selling coca, so they were there already.

673
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just curious like that that I remember

674
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: when the Crips and Bloods played football against each other, Wow,

675
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: before they were enemies. I remember the first person that

676
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: got killed at the park. You know, we had all

677
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: all my little crew. We had all rode our bikes

678
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: to the beach and we sneak, you know, sneak and

679
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: ride our bikes to the beach. School. Who wasn't only

680
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: about ten years old, But back then, you know, you could,

681
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: you could run around La and didn't have to be,

682
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, worried about nothing happened to you. I would

683
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: let my ten year old kids run the streets now

684
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: in LA, but of course back then we did it.

685
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, about ten of us, fifteen of us, we

686
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: get on our bikes and we just ride to the beach.

687
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: And we were coming back from the beach this night,

688
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: and it was just before don you know, it was

689
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: still the sun was still up a little bit, and

690
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: when we got to the park, we see the park

691
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: taped off and cops everywhere, and it was like, what happened?

692
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: And then we found out that one of the crips

693
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: killed the blood. It was that's so wild over a

694
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: football game. Over a football game. One of them tooth

695
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: got knocked out, and from there it was just it

696
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: was started fight escalator and then the weather one went

697
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: to the car and got his gun. That's so crazy,

698
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: what because it would have been easy for you to

699
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: get sucked into that life, right. I wanted to be

700
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: a crypt, you wanted to be a cryp? Yeah? What

701
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: was it? That was about twelve. I was gonna say

702
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: what was it? Because because you know, you're obviously running

703
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: your enterprise later on, was it easy to navigate kind

704
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: of being independent? If that makes sense? Well, you know

705
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: I was. I was a kid and I was only

706
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: twelve years old, So I just mean in terms of

707
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: when you started to finally kind of get into the streets, well,

708
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: when I came back to the streets though, when I

709
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: quit playing tennis, I was a grown man. But I mean,

710
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: did you still have to kind of deal with some

711
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: of those politics. Yeah, but they was my homeboys, Okay,

712
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: I went to school with them. It's like my neighborhood

713
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: is like the Crips is right here on figure or

714
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: and then you go a block or too old, it's

715
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: the Bloods, right, so it's only like it ain't even

716
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: a quarter mile between, you know, the two sets. You know,

717
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: like the two sets kind of like mingle into each

718
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: other on certain areas. You know, like you could be

719
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: walking down the street and you see the Bloods walking

720
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: on that street, and then you know, you see the

721
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Crips just just a little off, so they were they

722
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: were close out of each other. Yeah, that's that's crazy

723
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: because like I just feel like that was befocause now

724
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: we think of like, I mean, there's blood sets and

725
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: cripsets all over the world, and just like, I guess

726
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I never would have thought that at one time. Yeah,

727
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: it's wild. It's crazy. And then even when we think

728
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: of just gangs in general, we just think of crypts.

729
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: I mean in the United States, like people think of

730
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Crypts and Bloods as like the two biggest gangs. Like

731
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: obviously there's motorcycle gangs, there's Hell's Angels and all that.

732
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: But oh, for sure, it's a wild it's a wild

733
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: thing to think that you were there. Well, the Christ

734
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: and the Bloods get the most notoriety probably you know,

735
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: out of it's something about you know, being black in

736
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: America where they like to promote negative stuff about us.

737
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: That's true. And then also just the you know it

738
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: even it even baffles me when when when I went

739
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: to jail, you know, I made every news channel in

740
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: the country, night Line, Dayline, twenty twenty sixty minutes. Well,

741
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: I've been out. I spoke at Stanford University, Yale, not Yale.

742
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: That's not on Dateline, that's not on twenty twenty. Yeah,

743
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: they're not. They haven't said nothing about it, of course not. Yeah,

744
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: I mean it's the same way that and and for me, unlike,

745
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: you got a guy that was illiterate, Now he's getting

746
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: paid to talk at Stanford University, you see law school UCLA.

747
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if that ain't some amazing shit, what is

748
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: what is for a guy who couldn't really couldn't write,

749
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: now the universities of paying him to go and talk

750
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: to the smartest students, I'm like, what the fuck? It's

751
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: just this society. Man. It's like when we think of

752
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: like when you turn on the news, like they're not

753
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: talking about the good shit going on. They're only talking

754
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: about the nots of stuff that really like like, like

755
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: even I even broke down to John Singleton situation, right

756
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: because I knew John fucked with me, right, he fucked

757
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: with me for real. You know, I know when motherfucker's faking,

758
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: of course, So me and him sit down, we chopping

759
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: there with the aid together, so I know that he

760
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: liked me. Yeah, So I was thinking a couple of

761
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: weeks ago, like when I started doing this show after

762
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: the Snow with Dave, you know, I started really like

763
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: just opening my mind up and like really thinking. So

764
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I bet John Singleton went to

765
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: FX and say, man, I got Rick Ross and I

766
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: got this show, and they probably were like, we'll take

767
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: the show. We don't want rig Ross. That's interesting. I

768
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't doubt it. I mean, from all accounts I've heard,

769
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: like John was a pretty stand up dude. I don't know,

770
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think he should have did the deal though.

771
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: He should have said you ain't taking Rick Ross. You

772
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: can't have the show I don't. I mean, yeah, I mean,

773
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I mean, I don't disagree. I mean,

774
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: and I also think it's obvious that it was loosely

775
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: based around your life, Like it's odd you could go

776
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: to this page. If you go to John Singleton's Instagram page,

777
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: you got me and him hugging taking a picture with

778
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: my book. He bought one of my first books and

779
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: he said Rick Ross's great story Snowfall coming soon. I

780
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't know it until somebody brought it to my attention.

781
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: M that's fucking crazy. Yeah, no, that's that's unfortunate. When

782
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: someone has the amount of money that you have, you

783
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: start to learn you're kind of forced to learn some

784
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: financial literacy, right, because that's a lot of fucking money.

785
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: Your money will teach you. What are some of the

786
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: lessons that having that much wealth accumulated at such a

787
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: young age that you learned that you would try to

788
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: spread to other people, because because financial literacy is one

789
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: of those things that you know, unfortunately isn't taught in

790
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: schools enough. We all learned that your money will work

791
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: harder than you. You know, a lot of people try

792
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: to work to make money, but you should let money

793
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: work for you. That's some real shit. And and basically

794
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: I figured that out. And once I did, that's when

795
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: I would go buy a million dollars worth of cocaine

796
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: and then I would pass it out to different people

797
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: and then the next day they would all bring me

798
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: my money back. Because you ain't standing on the corner,

799
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: SONI your fucking self exactly. Mm hmm. What're that's your

800
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: money working for you? Yeah? I mean, and I think

801
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: that in terms of just what the wealth these people,

802
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: we know that's what they do, oh absolutely, whether they

803
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: have stocks that go up and down, whether they I mean,

804
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: shit as simple as a vending machine. You have a

805
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: vending machine. The vending machine, you're not there. The vending

806
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: machine is making your money working. It's working for you. Yeah.

807
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: If you go out and buy bulldozer, that's your money working,

808
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: piece of property, rent it out there, it is. Was

809
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: there any assets you were able to keep after you

810
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: got arrested or did they take everything? I had a few.

811
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: I had a few pieces of property. You know, I

812
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: shown the theater or on Crenshawn Adams. I was gonna

813
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: build a West Coast Apollo over there, and uh what

814
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: else I had? I had a few pieces of property,

815
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, I saw my motel before they before

816
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: they indict. I mean, once I knew that I was indicted,

817
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: I started trying to sell my assets because I knew

818
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: that it was come to take. Yeah, they was gonna

819
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: try to take the big ones. My lawyer was like,

820
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: get rid of everything that you think they knew about it.

821
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: You knew it was coming. Oh well, what happened is

822
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: is even though my indictment was a secret indictment, one

823
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: of my cousins killed hisself and I go to the

824
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: scene because I couldn't believe he had did it. So

825
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: I go over there where he was at and then

826
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: one of the cops had had had beat me. And

827
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: then somebody was like, man, that cop just mentioned your

828
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: name to the other cop. And I was like, I

829
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: ain't tripping. I'm good. You know, I hadn't even been

830
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: selling dough for a year and a half at that time.

831
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: And the cop came over and he was like, uh

832
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: you Rick Ross, And I was like, nah, and I

833
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: had fake I D so let me see I D

834
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: So I pulled out my bunk idea and I hand

835
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: it to him and he was looking at his partner

836
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: his part, like that's him. And when he said that, dude,

837
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: they turned around, want to cuff me. I took off runting.

838
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: So I knew from that day that I was wanting

839
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: something was coming because they were going they were trying

840
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: to throw you in some they sent the cuffy. So

841
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: you started to get your assets in order or get

842
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: your lawyer. I called a lawyer the next day, like man,

843
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: they was, they was going to arrest me out here. Yeah,

844
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: you must have had a fire ass lawyer in the eighties.

845
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: I did. I did. They didn't like him either, though.

846
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Is he still Is he still practicing law? I don't know.

847
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: He done got old. He about seventy some years old. Now,

848
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: I always think you ever watched Breaking Bad? I never

849
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: watched it. He's got this the guy he's a big

850
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: meth dealer and he's got this like go to lawyer,

851
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: saw goodman. It's like a crazy gap. But I can

852
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: imagine being your lawyer in the eighties had to be

853
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: a stressful and also profitable gig to take. Yeah, he

854
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: made a lot of money, Betty, I bet he did.

855
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: I bet he didn't kept us out of jail, though,

856
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: I bet he did. That was that was the most

857
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: important thing is keep my guys out of jail. That

858
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: had to be nice to have somebody like that in

859
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: your corner to kind of guide you through the legalities

860
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: of like, hey, oh yeah, if you're gonna put if

861
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna take your money and put it here, do

862
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: it this way. Really, one of the best things he

863
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: ever told me was I go to him and I

864
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: was like, man, these cops planning dope, planning dope. Yeah,

865
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: they was planning dope on us. Yeah, because they couldn't

866
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: catch it. They couldn't figure out how to catch us

867
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: with dope. You know, we we we I came up

868
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: with a theory was that we don't keep dope in

869
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: the house. We brain in the house, weir it up.

870
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: As soon as we wear up, we throw it in

871
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: the trunk of a car, put the car down the

872
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: street in front of somebody else's house. So they was

873
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: never going to catch us with dope. Let's they called

874
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: us like right during that time, that specific instance, and

875
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: then we started weighing it up at three in the morning,

876
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: four in the morning, you know, like odd hours of

877
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: the of the day when when most people would be sleep,

878
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: so people wouldn't see us going in houses or something

879
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: like that, because you know, people would see me sometime

880
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: and recognize me and be like, oh, that's Red Cross.

881
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: So we just start doing it when most people would

882
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: be sleep, so nobody wouldn't really recognize us, so the

883
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: cops couldn't catch us with dope. And back then it

884
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: wasn't no conspiracy, you know, like, well conspiracy, somebody got

885
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: to get caught with some dope with a conspiracy, or

886
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: somebody got to come in and say that you had

887
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: some dope. But anyway, they started playing the drugs on us.

888
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: They started raising the house and would literally take dope

889
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: out of their pocket and plant it in the house,

890
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: or take bags of dope out of their trunk of

891
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: their car. And so how did your lawyer tell you

892
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: to navigate through that? Well, when I told him about it,

893
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: he didn't believe it. You know California. Yeah, no, no,

894
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: that's a crazy thing. Ain't nobody doing those shit like

895
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: that in California. So he said, I, if I knew

896
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: some cops was was crooked like that there, I would

897
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: hire a private investigator to investigate the cops. That's what

898
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: I did. So you would hire a private investigator. Now

899
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: this would be pre then planning drugs or after they

900
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: had already been planning drugs. They're planning drugs on my

901
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: people already, they hadn't planning drugs on me. And you

902
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: knew who these cops were. Yeah, so you would say

903
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: it's the Freeway Task Force. They was named after me.

904
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 1: So you would hire a private investigator to investigate those cops. Yeah,

905
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: and just get get shipped on them. Yeah, that's great.

906
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: What was the craziest thing that your PI dug up

907
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: on a cop? This one guy was in the bed

908
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: with his girl and he had a fish tank right

909
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: next to his bed. Well, the pumps had a shortage

910
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: in it, so it was electrocuting. They stuck the guy

911
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: onto the wire and electrocutity. So the cops did that

912
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: to someone. Yeah, and your PI witnessed this. He didn't

913
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: witness it, but the defendants or the witnesses told him

914
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: that that's what happened to him. Another one was up

915
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: my partner. We used to have big safes, probably like

916
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: the side of this table in our apartments, and they

917
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: wanted him to open the safe and he wouldn't open it,

918
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: so they took a trash bag and put over his head. Fuck,

919
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: torture and shit, try to suffocate. They got indicted for that,

920
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: for putting the trash bag over his head, smothering me. Wow.

921
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: So it was almost like against their best interest to

922
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: fuck with you in that way because you had a

923
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: fucking guy who was gonna, I guess, overturn all that ship. Well,

924
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: eventually we we got it all overturned. And when when

925
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: I turned my investigation in one hundred and fifty people

926
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: got out of prison. When you when you ended up

927
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: going in or when you ended up and died in me,

928
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: they eventually inded in me. Okay, So when they in

929
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: died in me, you had all this ship that your

930
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: PI had accumulated, Like, oh, you're gonna go to trial

931
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: with these guys. This is this is what we got

932
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: on them. This is your witnesses. Right, let me show

933
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: your terrible witnesses. Let me show you who your witnesses is. Wow,

934
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That's how that's how I beat my first case.

935
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: Shout out to your PI. Huh. I mean that's your

936
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: lawyer and your p I in the eighties. God bless

937
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: him that had top of the line got Frenchy. He

938
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: probably did now too. His name is Frenchy French. He

939
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: was an ex cop. I mean, so he knew, Yeah,

940
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: he knew, he knew the ropes, he knew the rope

941
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: But those are the guys that you get for investigators,

942
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: you know, if you're doing investigation on cops, you know

943
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: you want somebody who's who's been there and done that.

944
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: That's some really when you're coming up in LA in

945
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: the eighties, the early uh stages of gangster wrap, Ice Tea,

946
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: I think of iced Tea. I think of guys like that, like, uh,

947
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: how much was like hip hop and guys like like

948
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: Ice and and you know, obviously n w A was

949
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: a little bit later, we were moving Tiny T master Spade,

950
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: King King T master Spade. Yeah. I was gonna say, like,

951
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like you you you know, hip

952
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: hop and the crack era kind of run synonymous with

953
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: each other in a lot away definitely, you know, Ice

954
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: did the documentary Planet Rock right how hip hop stole

955
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: from the Dope Game. But I was gonna I guess,

956
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: did you also kind of recognize that this hip hop

957
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: thing was was becoming like a real thing that I

958
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: did not because some people, because back then a lot

959
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: of people thought it was a fad. It was like

960
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't real music, or it was it wasn't gonna

961
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: last long. That's what Oldest and Dick, Griffy and them

962
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: told me that it was gonna be like disco because

963
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: disco was there, and then it wasn't exactly. And that's

964
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: why I missed hip hop. If it wouldn't have been

965
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: for that, If that would have told me that I would,

966
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: I would have been to king of hip hop without question. Nobody.

967
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: I remember Russell Simmons was running bud La broke Wow.

968
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: I remember that, and you had the money to really

969
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: you could have been to death row out of l A. Yeah,

970
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean shit, man, But it ain't too late.

971
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: It ain't too late. No, No, I still got to

972
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: get my money out of out of the music industry.

973
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: See what I do is I need a baker and

974
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: get your money back. No, No, I'm gonna get it

975
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: out of I'm gonna get it out of hip hop.

976
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: Hip hop gonna pay me. I like it. I mean shit.

977
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: Has did you end up winning the Rick Ross lawsuit? No?

978
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: I lost that. You did lose it. What was the

979
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: reason that you lost it? Because it seemed like it

980
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: was a pretty well if if if somebody does some

981
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: to you, you get two years. It's like a statue

982
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: of limitation. Limitation. So you were past that. I should

983
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: have found before I got five days before I got

984
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: out of prison, I should have folded my lawsuit, but

985
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: the judge wasn't gonna just gonna find a way to

986
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: that them out. Did you and the rapper Rick Ross

987
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: ever have any talk or was it kind of spoke

988
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: on the phone before you got Okay, Yeah, it's it's

989
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: it's you know when he was You're probably like, yo,

990
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: you're out to running around with my name. Huh. It

991
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: was crazy. I went when one of the youngsters, you know,

992
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: my my little youngsters that I had in jail, you know,

993
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: the studied under me. When I ran in one day

994
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,960
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995
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: look at this dude. He stole your name. I was like, oh,

996
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,719
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997
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,960
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998
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,800
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999
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,279
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1000
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,000
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1001
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,719
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1002
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,480
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1022
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: one time? I don't know, three and a half million,

1023
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: three point two million, something like that. There, you didn't

1024
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1025
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: money I had. I wanted to know how much money

1026
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: I could spend every day. You were spending a lot,

1027
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: you know. If I could make two hundred and three

1028
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: hundred thousand every day, I was good. How much were

1029
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: you spending a month at your at your peak when

1030
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: you're on dope? No, I'm just just I'm just on.

1031
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: Were you like a flashy guy? Nah? Because that's you

1032
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: probably would have got caught a lot earlier had Yeah. Yeah,

1033
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: Now I bought mostly houses, uh business a business freak,

1034
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, Like I'll be riding down the street and

1035
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: I see a house. Oh, look at that abandoned house

1036
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: right there. Get the Just call my girls, Hey, I

1037
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: want to get this house. Go get it. When you

1038
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: get incarcerated, obviously, before that happens, you have I'm sure

1039
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: you had a close uh circle of people who helped

1040
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: you with your affairs, who helped you with what you

1041
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: were doing. What happens to them when you go to

1042
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: jail disappear when the money runs out, everybody runs out.

1043
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: No more girls. That's crazy, gets lonely. Yield is a

1044
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: lonely place. How was gonna say, you had to trust

1045
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: somebody enough to like handle certain shit once you like,

1046
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: if you know what, once you get a life sentence,

1047
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: it's theirs. It's no longer yours, don't belong to you anymore.

1048
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: How much do you need it for? I was gonna say,

1049
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: how much cash do you think what's taken from you

1050
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: by people? You know once you got that sentence, because

1051
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had cash around who knows? Man? I mean,

1052
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: I've lost so much money in my lifetime, you know,

1053
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: people running off and beat me out of money. It's

1054
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the numbers, it would be crazy. It'd be

1055
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: crazy to think about it if we could put it together.

1056
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: What I appreciate about what you've been doing since you

1057
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: got out is just like the positive influence you've been

1058
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: Like you were talking earlier, you know, I feel like

1059
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: your story is an inspiring one because a lot of

1060
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: people might be in that position that you're in and

1061
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: give up or I ain't gave up. I'm going full

1062
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: steamer head. Well that's what I mean. You got out

1063
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: and just you just picked right back up. Well, no,

1064
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: I picked up in jail. I taught myself how to

1065
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: read when I was in jail. I mean, that's a

1066
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: that's how I got out. I got myself out of prison.

1067
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: Why did they Why did they let you out early?

1068
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: Because I told him that they had they charged me

1069
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: on a three strike law, and I told him I

1070
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: wasn't a three striker. And then I showed him I

1071
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a three striker, and then he had to get

1072
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: out and they had to let me out. It's a

1073
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: beautiful I'll go against their books. And one thing about them,

1074
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: they don't like going against their books. Once they write

1075
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: it on that paper, it's hard for them to go

1076
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: against those. So when I was in prison, I went

1077
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: hard man, I didn't uh. I read over three hundred

1078
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: books while I was gone. What's the most important book

1079
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: you've ever read? I would say the three most important?

1080
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: Give me the three Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon,

1081
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: ill richest man in Babylon. But George Class Great Book

1082
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: and As a Man Think by James Allen, and those

1083
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: books allowed me to go back over my life in

1084
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: the dope game and break it down and to see

1085
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: how I could use those same skills to do the

1086
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: things that I'm doing right now. Rich's made in Babylon.

1087
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: They made us read it in high school. What well

1088
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: you went to high school the Phoenix, Arizona. They should

1089
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: be that books. I believe that books should be in

1090
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: every school in this economics class, right, but it was

1091
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: it was for people who don't know. They should go

1092
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: check it out. It's really extremely basic principles of financial literacy,

1093
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: but not told in that specific way. I guess if

1094
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, like how you should spend money,

1095
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: how you should save money, like you know, all my guys.

1096
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: I asked all my guys to read it, you know,

1097
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: my boxers. And it's not a long book. No, it's

1098
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: a short book. It's a very short, easy read. Everyone

1099
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: should go check short book. So the rappers that I

1100
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: work with, boxers that I work with, anybody that want

1101
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: to work with me, my assistants, I asked them, want

1102
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: to read those books now that you're you know, you

1103
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: got the books been out for five years. We talked

1104
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: about that. You're working with another book I've been out

1105
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: about a year. What, like, give us the grand scheme

1106
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: of everything you have going on. Now you know the books,

1107
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: the movie is budgeted. Yeah, so let's let's talk about

1108
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: the movie first, because your movie's gotta be This can't

1109
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: just be a fucking straight to straight to TV type.

1110
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, this this, this is theater. This has to be. Uh.

1111
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: When we think about how big Snowfall is, and I

1112
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: know that Snowfall, I mean officially isn't about you, but

1113
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: the movie's got everybody think it is. The movie's gotta

1114
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: be fucking crazy, absolutely, like Michael B. Jordan or somebody crazy.

1115
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: You gotta play you. I don't know. I like I

1116
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: like that. I like that kid, childish Gambino. Childish Gambino

1117
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: would be crazy. Donald Glover playing it would be crazed.

1118
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: He would kill it. I don't disagree. That's what I

1119
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, Like, you're the hardest guy in

1120
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: the world to get it. I've been looking for that

1121
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: guy for three years. Yeah, I mean he is a

1122
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: very eclectic human. Yes, and nobody knows he show Atlanta

1123
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: is amazing. If I don't seen it, it's good. I

1124
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: haven't saw it. But I just I just like his demeanor,

1125
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think that he could uh, that he

1126
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: could put it off. I just don't want to see

1127
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: your your movie ending up like the Gotti movie that

1128
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: John Travolta started recently, because that was straight to Amazon

1129
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: and it was terrible. No, I don't want to go

1130
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: straight down. Your story is so crazy. It's got to

1131
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: be bankrolled. It's got to be. It's got to just

1132
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: be a nice budget for a black movie. It's got

1133
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 1: to be a moment, man, it's got to be a moment.

1134
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that we got O reginal heading directly. Noe.

1135
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: You guys haven't cast it yet. No, we haven't cast

1136
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: it yet. Are you guys gonna make the movie and

1137
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: then shop it around or do you guys already have distribution?

1138
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: My friends have distribution already. Okay, yeah, they gotta put deal.

1139
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: So we were pretty we're pretty tight. You know. I'm

1140
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: i'm i'm, I'm, I'm. I'm pretty dope in the movie

1141
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: scene too, Like a lot of people don't know. You know,

1142
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: I should scream movie scripts when I was in jail

1143
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: so they could let you, like, you could tell them

1144
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: this is bullshit, this is and how it would go down.

1145
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: That's what I used to do. I just have stacked

1146
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: some movie scripts and what's the movies that they had

1147
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: you look through that we might know while you were

1148
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: locked up. One ah, man, I don't remember, man, I know.

1149
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: It was one about these people who were they were

1150
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: still in kidney selling kidneys, oh ship, and they both

1151
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: had boxes. This was this was a crazy movie. They

1152
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: both had boxes containers. One had a kidney and one

1153
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: had a bag of dope, and they got mixed up.

1154
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: You know. They went to the same restaurant to meet somebody,

1155
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: and the guy with the kidney gave the guy that

1156
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: was trying to buy the dope the kidney, and the

1157
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: guy with the kidney he gave the a dope to

1158
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: the guy who needs a kidney. So now you know,

1159
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: the guy with the kidney he sweating because he about

1160
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: to die, right, and the guy with the dope. It

1161
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: was it was, it was crazy. That was one of

1162
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: the crazy this ones ever And they made the movie

1163
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: about that too. It it made it too. So the

1164
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: movie's coming. You're obviously speaking at a bunch of different places,

1165
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: which is I think, yep, I'm doing that the weed shit. Yeah,

1166
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I just just come for my working

1167
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: on my gross spot yesterday. I've been working. I'm building

1168
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: a forty thousand square foot gross spot right now. That's

1169
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: got to be so ironic and weird to be like,

1170
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: I just got to I mean, obviously it's cocaine and weed,

1171
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: it's two separate things. But I mean weeding in your

1172
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: day for me to have a license, you know, yeah,

1173
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: and you're like out here like getting selling drugs legally

1174
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: now yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful thing. And I want

1175
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: a dispensary. So I got a dispensary coming soon. You know.

1176
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: The music I'm working with Don Kennedy. Now, Don's a

1177
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: great guy man friend. Last week I had lunch with

1178
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: James fonderroy matter of fact, two days in one week.

1179
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: You know. Nice, I'm with James fonder Royd for two

1180
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: days in one week. So that was like, damn, who

1181
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: get to do that? You know what I mean? And

1182
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: of course private restaurant, you know, private restaurants, the tape

1183
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: your phone up. You know, you can't take pictures when

1184
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: you go into the restaurant. So, you know, I just

1185
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: I just found out how to get myself in places

1186
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: that most people can't get in. You know and right

1187
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: now I got the champ with me. You know, he

1188
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: flew out in from Detroit. Come on, man, you want

1189
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: to introduce you to him, you have to jump over

1190
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: the cord. It's one of my young with my young

1191
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: guys and my adviys and them. He's a fighter and

1192
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: a rapper, fighter and a rapper artist. He take the mic.

1193
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: Plug your ship man whatever. Man is that Dulah Kitar

1194
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: out of Detroit, Michigan. You know, fu to l A

1195
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: tapping with big We're right here with blueleg Kid going crazy.

1196
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: Shout out to Detroit. I gotta go out to Detroit soon.

1197
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go out there shoot some shit, baby

1198
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: face right oh yeah, it comes to the d east side.

1199
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: Were good. Troy's going crazy right now. Oh yeah. The

1200
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: whole culture. We we we really like. I wouldn't say

1201
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: the next day Atlanta because we really put Atlanta off.

1202
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't go there with you. But you know,

1203
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: right now, the Troit got it. We we we we

1204
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: were right now out uh babyface, Ray Peasy forty two,

1205
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: Doug Perrol Giovanni, the whole the whole city going crazy

1206
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: where everybody's yet. Detroit's going crazy and we all it's

1207
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: like it's like the streets coming out to the industry now,

1208
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: like all them, all the rappers, you just now they

1209
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: like street rappers, they're not in industry, so like they

1210
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: kind of them. I'm just kidding, kidding, Like we got

1211
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: Yachty coming to this city. Now. For sure, yacht did

1212
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: a whole exactly the whole Detroit theme. No, no, he did.

1213
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: He wasn't an album. He did a Michigan themed album

1214
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of Detroit artists. Yeah, Michigan boy boat. It

1215
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: was cool. So you know, we are coming up. Don't

1216
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense because what we have been

1217
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: saying in jail is that the music business followed the

1218
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: dope game game with the music scene started to flourish.

1219
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: And and when meeting him went to to man, you

1220
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: know they helped when they helped that thing start to

1221
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: to jail was you need you know, you need some

1222
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: of the some of the trimans to go with, you know,

1223
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: to go You ever communicate with someone like big meach Yeah,

1224
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: me start writing me when he first fell Wow, when

1225
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: he day hooked us up. She wanted me to advise

1226
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: him on how to do his case and and uh

1227
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: when when when they told me, when he told me

1228
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: they offered him to thirty years, you know, I told

1229
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: him that it was a good idea to take it.

1230
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: I say, thirty years beat a life sentence. You know,

1231
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: I knew guys, and that's because I had new guys

1232
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: who had the opportunity to take thirty and didn't and

1233
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: got the life and had did thirty years. So so

1234
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: you can do thirty, but you couldn't do life right.

1235
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: So sometimes, you know, you might look at it like, oh,

1236
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: that's a lot of time. But at the end of

1237
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: the day, you got a date, You got a date,

1238
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: and thirty might be already already. He's probably only like

1239
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: three years to the house now that it's crazy, you know,

1240
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: he done did that shit. So you just think that

1241
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: he could have you know, he could have went and

1242
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: got the Life CENTERCE and we'd be like, oh, he

1243
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: ain't got no date. Did fifty cent ever? Trying to

1244
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: reach out to you the dude, Yeah, fifty call me today.

1245
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: I got out of jail because I feel like he's

1246
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: been doing such a good job of telling the BMF

1247
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: story with his show, you know, but we wasn't able

1248
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: to put nothing together. You know, he might be able

1249
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: to do a much more accurate version of what Snowfall is.

1250
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: But like having you directly involved, maybe I can do

1251
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: my own movie. This is true. I know enough about

1252
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: I read enough books on producing movies, that's true. I

1253
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: read about four or five books on producing movies. When

1254
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: I go talk to him, you know, I met when

1255
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: I got out, I met with ri Manuel, I met

1256
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: with Jeff Bird, Spencer Bloomer, everybody, Michael Linton, the four

1257
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Speaker 1: biggest guys in Hollywood. You know, going to fifty cent

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01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: that's like a step down. So so once I meet

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Speaker 1: the top guys and they didn't show me. You know,

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01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: I didn't think none of those guys was that smart.

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01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: That's fair. They couldn't even figure out how I got

1262
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Speaker 1: in their offices, Like how did you get here? That's crazy?

1263
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I was invited. So when it comes

1264
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: to work with someone like him and you're helping advise him,

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: like what are the what are some of the things

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Speaker 1: that you're doing for for somebody like your guy right here? Well, Well,

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Speaker 1: what I'm showing him is is that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys they're not their own men. You know, they

1269
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: don't make their own decisions. They don't really think for themselves. Uh,

1270
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: they got other people. Basically, they almost like puppets. You know,

1271
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: when you look at most of these guys, they can't

1272
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: they can't do what they want to do, you know.

1273
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: Like with me, I do whatever I want to do.

1274
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: I go when I want to go. I go to

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01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: sleep when I want to go to sleep. I eat

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01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: what I want to eat. Nobody pays my bills. I

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01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: pay my own bills. So that's the way you gotta

1278
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: be if you want to if you want to have

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01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta If you ain't got no you

1280
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: ain't got no nuts. Since you can't do that, you know,

1281
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: you gotta torne down to what other people tell you

1282
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: you have to do, you know. And that's what I

1283
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: when I met with those guys in Hollywood that I

1284
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: just named to you. You know, Ory Man, you will

1285
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: tell me that I'm gonna have to be listening to

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01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg. No, I don't have to listen to Mark Wahlberg.

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have to listen to nobody, because

1288
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: I already knew that I was gonna get out here

1289
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: and and and blaze my own trail. You know, I

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: get my mind out the streets twenty dollars at a time.

1291
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: I just stacked them twenties up. You ain't got to

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: give me, you know, one hundred thousand. Well, you know

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 1: most people, that's the that's the downfall to the music

1294
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: industry is most artists are vulnerable, and they get that.

1295
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: They'd rather take that upfront bag, even though the terms

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: are terrible. Then then take the slow monthly bag or

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01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: the slow residual and h I like that though. That's

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Speaker 1: why I self published my book. That's why I told him, no,

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Speaker 1: go to Amazon and gig get it from your me.

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01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: I respect it, I got it. I got a little

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01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: artist right now, I'm trying to sign. I got a

1302
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid. I ain't gonna mention his name

1303
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: because then you might you might pop pop, someone might

1304
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: steal him from you. Yeah, yeah, you know how they do.

1305
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: So that's what's up, man. And then we're gonna probably

1306
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: go to the studio tonight, you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: And uh, was he hot too? He hot on the mic?

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01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: Can he fight? But he could wrap too? Are you

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01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: getting back into real estate at all? I am, But

1310
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait. You know, I got my credit right

1311
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: and you know now where my marijuana grow. You know,

1312
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: I should be making a lot of million, million and

1313
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: a half a month, you know what I'm saying. So

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: something like I get into real estate, then something like

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: and and that's real estate. You know my building, I

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01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: own the building. There is that real estate. You know

1317
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Did you ever franchise any ship like

1318
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: any like did you ever have like a subway or

1319
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: like a McDonald's back in the day. No, I didn't

1320
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: know how to do that. You know, I was a

1321
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: ghetto boy. You know my mom didn't. My mom the

1322
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: only job she ever had was cleaning offices and cutting grass. So,

1323
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, you in order to do those type of things,

1324
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: you have to have somebody in your life that has

1325
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: already done that. You didn't have that circle of people

1326
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: at Some of my guys just carry guns, you know,

1327
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't carry books, didn't carry guns. So

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: when you have people who's coming from those lifestyles, then

1329
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: you can't expect anything else from you. And that's why

1330
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: I feel it's so important for me to be successful

1331
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: because there's so many young men, you know, like him,

1332
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: who need somebody like me to show them how far

1333
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: they can go, Like, don't limit yourself to just this.

1334
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, the world is yours. You can do anything

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01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: that anybody else in this world can do. And that's

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Speaker 1: how I feel, and that's what I try to teach

1337
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 1: my guys, is that don't let nobody muffle you down

1338
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: and tell you how far you can grow and how

1339
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: far you can go, because they don't know what you

1340
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: can do facts. You know, I don't know what you

1341
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: can do, you know, so you have to be the

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01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: one that tells yourself where your limits are and where

1343
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: you want to stop. Last thing I wanted to ask

1344
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: you about because I feel like what's going on right

1345
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: out with fetanol and all the overdoses and people getting

1346
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: turned out over all these opiates, it's probably like the

1347
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: craziest like surge of like a drug that's kind of

1348
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: like taking over in terms of like national media attention

1349
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: probably since Crack in the eighties. Right when you see

1350
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: the what's going on with fetanel right now, and like

1351
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: how a lot of these pharmaceutical companies are kind of

1352
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 1: skating because they're the source of the problem, and you know, really,

1353
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: do you see the parallels and kind of what was

1354
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: going on in the eighties. So what's going on now

1355
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: with fetanyel Well Fitinel cuses customers. You know we're cracked.

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01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: We didn't kill our customers. I didn't want I didn't

1357
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: want my customers to die. I wanted them to live

1358
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: because I knew as long as they live, they was

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: going to be bringing me that money. And if you're

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01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: killing your customers, you know, I almost like the cigarette

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01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: companies you got to recruit. Yeah. I didn't want to recruit.

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: I just wanted to keep the same people, keep coming,

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Speaker 1: keep on prea customers, we keep repeat. We always think

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: of people who will sell stuff to get cracked. What's

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01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: the most random thing someone brought to you in exchange

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01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: for crack adult adope smoker, not somebody who was trying

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Speaker 1: to sell, But like, what's the craziest thing someone showed

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: up to you with and said, hey, take this, I

1369
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: need this, I need I need I need my fix.

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Speaker 1: And people done offered everything, man for their wives. Someone

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01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: offered you their wife. Yeah did you did you take it? No? No,

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01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: that was my homeboy. Your homie offered you his wife

1373
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: cause to get his fixed. He thought I liked his wife.

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01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: So it's like, yo, you can fuck I just need

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: some crack. Exactly? What the fuck? That's crazy? What was

1376
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: what's the craziest thing you accepted? How about that? I didn't.

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really, I didn't really have to be good.

1378
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: You weren't on that You weren't on that line and

1379
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: still on the streets in the transition. I was probably

1380
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: on the streets for about two three months, right, you

1381
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: were by the time you would really get in to go,

1382
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: and you would, you didn't even the hand of handsher

1383
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: was was was over my hand in hand was real short.

1384
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was able to. I got lucky because

1385
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: when I started my mom, when my mom put me

1386
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: out the house, I moved in with my cousin. My

1387
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: cousin stayed right around the corner from a PCP spot.

1388
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: So all the guys who sold PCP smoked crack. That's crazy.

1389
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: So every time they would get one hundred dollars, they

1390
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: would come and see me. So mine went from making

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01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: twenty dollars to five hundreds a day, like really quick.

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: As soon as I find when I met the PCP guys,

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01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: all the PCP guys, you know, it's like ten to fifteen,

1394
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm out there. So now I'm making one hundred dollars

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01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: from each one. If they make four hundred dolls a day,

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01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna give me a hundred. That's crazy. Someone offers

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01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,560
Speaker 1: you their wife, that's pretty wild. Yeah, I can imagine that.

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's wild. Well, listen, man, is there anything

1399
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Speaker 1: going on like this very moment you would like to promote? Yeah,

1400
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: we got a we got a big fight up in

1401
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: Philadelphia on the twenty fifth of this month with my man,

1402
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: but Sean Champ Okay, y'all be checking him out another

1403
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 1: one of my guys. You're working a lot with fighters. Well,

1404
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: that's my main passion right now, the we do we Well,

1405
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: my passion is to take over boxing. Did you get

1406
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: any pointers from J Prince? No? Because J Prince had

1407
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: his bouts with you know, obviously managing Floyd Mayweather. Jay say,

1408
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: you know Jay doing this thing. I mean, we're gonna

1409
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna probably be more like competitors because well, we're

1410
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: gonna be going for the same guys. You know, pretty

1411
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: soon my guy's gonna beating his guys up and anybody

1412
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: else's guys. You know, we want them belts. We want

1413
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: to be the best guys and not not for the

1414
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: money because we already gonna be rich. You know, we're finish,

1415
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: We fin to have more money than see them. But

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: we just want we don't want to go in the

1417
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: ring and beat somebody up, you know what I'm saying.

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01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: Boxing it so that the twenty fifth, it's in Philly,

1419
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: the fighting Philly. Yeah, so be on the lookout. Uh

1420
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: and it'd be it'd be streamed on fight TV. Oh

1421
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: I got fight TV. You got fight TV? Well, yeah,

1422
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: you'll get to see it. I I think I saw

1423
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: a fight. What was one of the it was one

1424
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 1: of the Paul fights. I think Tyron Woodley was on there.

1425
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: It was on fight TV, right, one of those were

1426
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: it was the one that wasn't on trailer. It was

1427
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 1: on fight TV. Because that shit's on. Like anybody anybody

1428
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: that wanted to fight t if they want to know

1429
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: exactly where to get it, they can go to my

1430
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: page fore Ricky Ross dot com or freeware Rick on

1431
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: Instagram for Ricky Ross on Facebook and uh TikTokers freeway

1432
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: Rick and Twitter for Rick what's your what's your what's

1433
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: your social media? So if anybody want to follow you

1434
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: on my Instagram, pack boy dot pepk Man tap in

1435
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: with your baby. There it is cross all platforms. You

1436
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 1: feel me. We're here, We're taking over. This year is

1437
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a good year for us. There it is.

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate you and your time. Man, Thank you answer. You

1439
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: asked me some different stuff. All right, we was off camera.

1440
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: You were talking about I asked you about doing Joe Rogan.

1441
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,919
Speaker 1: You said you were one of the first Joe Rogan interviews.

1442
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: How many times have you done the Joe Rogan Show? Twice?

1443
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: You say you're like number eighty or something. Yeah, something

1444
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: like that. I was writing that number. I might have

1445
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: been a little earlier than that, maybe even So I

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01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: go on Joe Rogan Show, right, and uh, I'm fucked

1447
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: up at the time. You know what I'm saying. That

1448
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: just took my mom's house. You see my documentary when

1449
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: they put us out. Yeah, they just put us out

1450
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: the house. And I go do the Joe Rogan Show.

1451
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: But you know I'm winning it, would you know, like

1452
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: fuck it? When I left prison, I was already like, shit,

1453
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: whatever I gotta do. If I'm homeless, sleeping in the car,

1454
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm gonna win, you know, Like I'm

1455
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: just some more billionaire sleeping in the car. So when

1456
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: I go to Joe Rogan show, I was like, man, Joe,

1457
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm fucked up. And he was like, man, you need

1458
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: a T shirt. And I must put my head on

1459
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: the table, like, oh a T shirt. Man, give me

1460
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,839
Speaker 1: some money. I need it. I need I need a boost.

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Speaker 1: So I need a show man. I'm walking downtown and

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Speaker 1: this young white kid come up to me and he's like, hey, Rick,

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Speaker 1: I hurt you on the Joe Rogan Show. He all

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Speaker 1: geeked and shit like that, and I'm like, oh man.

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Speaker 1: He's like, man, I got an idea for a T shirt.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, another one. No, motherfucker's right.

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Speaker 1: And uh he said, the real Wick Ross is not

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Speaker 1: a rapper. And I say to myself, that's the corniest

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Speaker 1: shit in the world. But I always one thing I

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Speaker 1: noticed about me is I keep open mind. You know,

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Speaker 1: even though I might feel like a certain way, I

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Speaker 1: had like just say, like, my way is the only way.

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Speaker 1: So I said, all right, let's do it. The dude

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Speaker 1: say I'll print the T shirt, I'll designed and everything.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who this kid either, right, So he

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Speaker 1: designed a T shirt. I come to a shop, we

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Speaker 1: take some pictures, with me wearing the shirt. He give

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Speaker 1: me a hundred shirts. I leave out and I sell

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Speaker 1: all those shirts that same day. Wow. So at this time,

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Speaker 1: I got Joe's direct number. I can call Joe whenever

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Speaker 1: I get ready. So I called YOUO. I was like, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: you know you told me to do that T shirt.

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Speaker 1: Well I did it. I got a T shirt. He's like, all,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna set you up to come back on the show.

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Speaker 1: So the next week, I go back on the show

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Speaker 1: and I take Joe on the T shirts because I

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Speaker 1: was doing it with really nice material, you know, the

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Speaker 1: new T shirts. So I gave Joe the shirt. Joe

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Speaker 1: put the shirt on on camera, and next week, memb,

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Speaker 1: my PayPal hit like eighteen thousand dollars, like bing bing bing.

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Speaker 1: That thing just kept going bing bing bing, ban ban ban.

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Speaker 1: We thought it was broke. Eighteen thousand dollars was in

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Speaker 1: my PayPal. Man. We went and got us apartment and

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Speaker 1: I ain't looked back since. So that that moment kind

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Speaker 1: of helped. At that time, was you needed that money?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. We was fucked up, man.

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Speaker 1: I had two babies. I had two brand new babies.

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Speaker 1: You're my girl, and because I wanted to have a

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Speaker 1: son as soon as I got home, because I knew

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Speaker 1: my time was running. You know, I'm an old man now,

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Speaker 1: right as soon as you got home, you got to work. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've never raised a kid, right, and I've always wanted to,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, you know, you could say

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Speaker 1: I raised my younger brothers, but I slipped on them

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Speaker 1: because I would let them, you know, go and do

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Speaker 1: their own thing. But with my babies, they don't get

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Speaker 1: to do nothing. It's like, of course, you know straight.

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Speaker 1: So Joe Rogan wearing that T shirt kind of Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness, I can't even say how many shirts that

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Speaker 1: think so because I rescue me on my ass. Well,

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Speaker 1: you did so well. That T shirt did so well

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Speaker 1: that right now, it's like five or six websites this

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Speaker 1: bootlegging that T shirt. That's so crazy. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I've seen it, like at the Swami for sure. The

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Speaker 1: real Rickross is not a raper. You know. I still

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Speaker 1: wear it. Oh it's there there, it is right there.

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Speaker 1: I still wear that joint. Go to the website and

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Speaker 1: buy one right now. When you someone who's known Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan as long as you have, and you see the

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Speaker 1: controversy with you know what's going on with him? You know,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that house. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Joe's a racist, you know. I mean there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people said, I mean, I used to use the

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Speaker 1: N work. I used to use the N work, but

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Speaker 1: then you know, it's okay, but a little different when

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Speaker 1: you're but but uh, it's it's I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel like Joe Rogan is racist.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think he's getting a bad rap for

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Speaker 1: for for using the word, and he apologized and he's

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Speaker 1: I don't believe he'll ever use it again. Would you

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Speaker 1: go back on the show, Yeah, I do, Joe tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: I'll be I sell a million books. I said, you're

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Speaker 1: saw a lot more books, a lot more T shirts.

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Speaker 1: Now if I go on Joe show right now, my

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Speaker 1: book probably want to be in the best I mean,

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Speaker 1: my book already. You know, I didn't really need I

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Speaker 1: don't really need nobody to do what I do. For real.

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Speaker 1: My book has done some numbers, you know, just uh,

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Speaker 1: the way I sell it. They just don't calculate. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I've saw Amazon. Let me say that there and what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying I ain't gonna let Amazon sell more of

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Speaker 1: my books than I sold. I res