Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why? Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? Culture raised calling? And wow?
Speaker 1: Can I just say you're you're phonating a consonant sound there?
Speaker 1: What word does M start with? I mean, what words
Speaker 1: starts with M? Does M start with? It's really culture
Speaker 1: number twelve? What word does M start with? Well? I
Speaker 1: have a couple of words in mind? Is it well made? No?
Speaker 1: Even though the cover of the Little Mixed single is
Speaker 1: they're all mermaids, like you must talk about those girls.
Speaker 1: I forgot about Little Mix, but yes, we must talk
Speaker 1: about those Holiday girls. Can't forget about them. There were
Speaker 1: mermaids on the cover other new single Holiday. But no.
Speaker 1: The word I was thinking I was not mermaid notes
Speaker 1: it makeup? No, even though I have been wearing makeup
Speaker 1: every single day for the last two weeks shooting my
Speaker 1: student to be hit series Hot Dog for HBO Max.
Speaker 1: But that's not it. Well, make sure you're using you're
Speaker 1: doing a double cleanse. I mean, now you're you're kind
Speaker 1: of past the point of of of of the skincare adjustment.
Speaker 1: But your skin looks wonderful, by the way, thank you
Speaker 1: for saying. But no, makeup is not the word is
Speaker 1: it music? Yes, it's music. Music is the word I
Speaker 1: was thinking of. It starts with him, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: And there's so much music to talk about. So this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a culture catch up episode is if
Speaker 1: you can't tell already, dear reader, Um, I was telling
Speaker 1: that earlier. The din of the requests for us to
Speaker 1: talk about chromatica Women in Music Part three. Uh, gas lighter,
Speaker 1: come on, Laura, and I mean, let's just stop it
Speaker 1: all right now and say, talk about how you felt
Speaker 1: when you stumbled upon the knowledge that Taylor was going
Speaker 1: to surprise us with a full length album. I think
Speaker 1: it's still hasn't sunk in. It still hasn't sunk And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what this is. My actual sort of
Speaker 1: journey with with with the reveal is that I woke
Speaker 1: up Um one morning to a text from you saying
Speaker 1: new Taylor album tonight, and I was like, in my
Speaker 1: groggy state, I was like, okay, like sure, kind of
Speaker 1: dismissed it. I don't know why, but like my instinct
Speaker 1: was just to dismiss. I couldn't my in my groggy stick.
Speaker 1: I think I knew my limbic brain knew I couldn't
Speaker 1: really process it the right way, so I was like,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of information at once. It really was.
Speaker 1: It was really overwhelming. I will and I'm not even
Speaker 1: like under utiliz I'm not even like underplaying that word
Speaker 1: downplaying it. It's like it was really underwhelming. Overwhelming. Taylor's
Speaker 1: albums are such events that for one to just kind
Speaker 1: of sneak up out of nowhere, I was like, not
Speaker 1: ready for it because I ever done this before, but
Speaker 1: and this is the event, and also you know, not
Speaker 1: to not to make it a about this, but it
Speaker 1: is a business, the music business, especially real culture number fourteens.
Speaker 1: It's been hugely successful in the days that has come out,
Speaker 1: so there is something to be said about this sort
Speaker 1: of surprise attack the thing if you can pull it off,
Speaker 1: because they tend to perform really well, um for these
Speaker 1: big tent pole pop girls. But um, I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, Wow, I can't believe this is happening. And
Speaker 1: I immediately told Jared, who's of course a huge tailor
Speaker 1: stand and he prod to cry and cry and cry
Speaker 1: for hours. Um. But what I felt was excited because
Speaker 1: of the images and the title of the album, because
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for her to do this sort of
Speaker 1: scaled back more singer songwriter, ree lyrical thing because I
Speaker 1: feel like that just feels like a natural progression for now.
Speaker 1: And I was excited about the promise of the album,
Speaker 1: And do you think it delivered on the promise? See
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You have an interesting response to the
Speaker 1: actually the content of the album, I think. So I'll
Speaker 1: just say how I felt in the day it came out,
Speaker 1: like I was like not in the mood for it
Speaker 1: because I was working and I was busy, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to listen to more upbeat music to drive me
Speaker 1: and I just don't have Yeah, I didn't have the
Speaker 1: mental space. I wasn't like in the place to sit
Speaker 1: down and listen to it because I could have been,
Speaker 1: but I just really wanted to give it its moments.
Speaker 1: So for the first three days of it, I really
Speaker 1: didn't listen to it very much. Of course, we listened
Speaker 1: to it the night I came out, like minutes after
Speaker 1: it was released, like sitting in a living room while
Speaker 1: straight people tried on clothes and and had conversations really
Speaker 1: disrespectful and we were liking it. But I was like,
Speaker 1: this is a vibe in a way that I need to,
Speaker 1: like really give this a second, so I haven't until today,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it and like it so much.
Speaker 1: Curious about what you were feeling because I have I
Speaker 1: have thoughts as we go through the album itself. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see, and I'm happy to go down that sort
Speaker 1: of um um framework too. But we can do a
Speaker 1: track by track on this one, Hune. We really can.
Speaker 1: I mean, for all the albums that we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about if you want. And I love um but
Speaker 1: I fucking love it. I think it's so great and
Speaker 1: it's and it's interesting because you and I have sort
Speaker 1: of casually and like everyone else and every other Swifty
Speaker 1: has has been like, Okay, her next album is going
Speaker 1: to be her going back to her roots quote unquote,
Speaker 1: her her doing country again or her doing stripped down. Um.
Speaker 1: But then Craig Jenkins and Vulture, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: music writers UM and Vulture was saying, how this isn't
Speaker 1: her going back to her roots. It's her doing something
Speaker 1: she actually really hasn't done before. But but I mean
Speaker 1: in the package of this folk aesthetic and the cottage
Speaker 1: core aesthetic. But it's like the execution is still her
Speaker 1: doing what she does best, which which is songwriting and
Speaker 1: storytelling and imagistics, story story songs in that way. But
Speaker 1: I think it's fucking phenomenal. I God, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm honestly taken back to high school, where I was
Speaker 1: doing the most like indie rock drag you could possibly
Speaker 1: be doing. And I was standing The National like the
Speaker 1: Alligator and Boxer I fucking love and then um Trouble
Speaker 1: Will Find Me Too, which is which is more recent, Um,
Speaker 1: such a good album, but like Love the National, of course,
Speaker 1: like fingering myself to bonie Vere. Obviously at the time
Speaker 1: before the Kanye Color mean, even now, even the Kanye
Speaker 1: collaboration was like I'm on board. I mean, lately, Bonnievera
Speaker 1: is sort of like like there's a whole like Father
Speaker 1: John Misty bonie Vere, like cottage chorusthetic where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's like a male domain. And then recently you've had
Speaker 1: like you have your Sharon van Netton's, your Wax the Hatchees, You're, You're,
Speaker 1: You're like whatever is just like sort of your female
Speaker 1: artists sort of take up that space. And it's so
Speaker 1: good to have Taylor come in as this like juggernaut
Speaker 1: in music and like pull it off so well. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the thing with Taylor. I think Taylor and
Speaker 1: Gaga are on the same level as being musical chameleons,
Speaker 1: where they can really like try for something a different,
Speaker 1: a different, try for specific style, and do it maybe
Speaker 1: once and be like I kneeled it the first time,
Speaker 1: I don't have to touch it again. Like with State
Speaker 1: of Grace. I feel like she was doing you two
Speaker 1: arena rock. She did it once and she was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to really touch this again, and I
Speaker 1: kind of I love that about Taylor and I think
Speaker 1: it's a great album. And I would throw Beyonce in
Speaker 1: there too, chamileon as well, because you know, while I've
Speaker 1: been in my Dixie Chicks moment, which I'm still very
Speaker 1: much in and we'll talk about gas Slider. I was
Speaker 1: also um sort of going through Spotify and remembered that
Speaker 1: they had that collaboration with Beyonce on Daddy Issues Daddy Lessons,
Speaker 1: and and that's rule number Rule culture number. Daddy is
Speaker 1: the course of course. No, of course, Daddy Lessons is
Speaker 1: very much a different thing. But that's a full ask
Speaker 1: country song, and that's from Beyonce. It's just she's obviously
Speaker 1: capable of that as well. For me, here's my take
Speaker 1: on the album, because like love that this is what
Speaker 1: it is, this is her moment. I would even call
Speaker 1: this a concept album because it is modern folk tales,
Speaker 1: many of them. I think that in a way, I
Speaker 1: think it can claim that title. For me, this is
Speaker 1: not my thing. But and I and I say that
Speaker 1: as like just this is not an assessment or judgment
Speaker 1: on the album itself, because it is quality. And I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, while the Quarantine is not quote
Speaker 1: unquote good for anyone, I think it's been a great
Speaker 1: space for her to explore herself as a lyricist all
Speaker 1: over again, because something that I feel was missing on
Speaker 1: Lover was real exploration. For example, we'll talk about she
Speaker 1: had very contemplative songs on Lover though, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't hitting, it wasn't scratching that like classic Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift that you want as a listener, So you didn't
Speaker 1: feel singular. And I'll get into this a little bit later.
Speaker 1: I specifically have a comparison between Mad Woman and the
Speaker 1: Man that I want to talk about um. But for me,
Speaker 1: like I think as email as I got in high
Speaker 1: school was like dashboard confessional and there is some dashboard
Speaker 1: on here, you know what I mean, like Illicit of Bears.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Jarry before, like Confessional song down
Speaker 1: very much. So like for me, it's it's not my
Speaker 1: personal flavor. However, I know that when I need this album,
Speaker 1: it will be very much there for me. Oh it's
Speaker 1: gonna fucking deliver, babe, I mean, And honestly, I might
Speaker 1: make a little playlist for you, Matt Rodgers, and I'll
Speaker 1: make it public for any reader who wants to listen
Speaker 1: to it. But like I'll put like Jesus and Mary
Speaker 1: Chane and like um Waxing Houchie of course, but also
Speaker 1: like you know, Ladies of the Canyon era Jone. She's
Speaker 1: like the references here are so solid, and she's doing
Speaker 1: like you know, she's doing like Cockteau twins and cranberries
Speaker 1: and um, like sucking sixpences one the Richard and Natalie Brewing.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of like nineties. It's like what
Speaker 1: a little fair became around the ton of the you know,
Speaker 1: like that kind of vibe in It's it's so funny
Speaker 1: you say sixpences on the Richard Jard said that before
Speaker 1: too on August and it's it feels like kissed me Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but so you say August like and we'll
Speaker 1: go through, but just off the top. Like my favorite
Speaker 1: tracks on this album, I find, for better or worse
Speaker 1: are the ones that are more pop. So the one
Speaker 1: and August and you know, those are my favorite tracks,
Speaker 1: and Betty like those are that kind of pop even
Speaker 1: like country is pop. That's kind of where I'm living
Speaker 1: in the album. And so my favorite spaces of the album.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate and deeply love everything. So why don't
Speaker 1: we just go from the top, shall we? Yes? Let
Speaker 1: me um, oh yeah, let's let's let's do track my talk,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's do track by track. So the one
Speaker 1: we heard this one together for the first time. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the one? Really like it? It's
Speaker 1: it's it's I feel like and I'm gonna say something
Speaker 1: kind of shitty. She I'll stand unfolkler and on lover
Speaker 1: kind of bift it with the opening tracks are not
Speaker 1: not like now the best ways in I think for
Speaker 1: for everybody and I thought she was going to do
Speaker 1: it again well from you, so you think she bifted
Speaker 1: on this first track. I don't think the one is
Speaker 1: the one that you start with that you opened this
Speaker 1: album with. When it started with her saying I'm on
Speaker 1: some new ship, I was like, I kind of was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: are we are? We are we here? Yeah, it felt like, um,
Speaker 1: I forgot that you existed with sort of that same
Speaker 1: thing where it was like I'm moved, I've moved on.
Speaker 1: It just felt like this sentiment that she said and
Speaker 1: like she like she has like I think she is
Speaker 1: like retreading like her very common themes in this album
Speaker 1: like she normally does, and she's of course we're not
Speaker 1: giving her permission as listeners, and she does that very well. Um,
Speaker 1: but I was just like okay, Like I it feels
Speaker 1: like an alertomy and the fact that it's the first track.
Speaker 1: Normally her instincts are so on point with her first
Speaker 1: tracks like State of Grace and then Welcome to New York,
Speaker 1: We Love and um ready for It too, like Ready
Speaker 1: for It is such I love Ready for It opener
Speaker 1: for Reputation, Ready for It. Yeah for the one, I'm
Speaker 1: just like okay, yeah, it's it just it sounds it
Speaker 1: helps says it's it's misleading in in terms of like
Speaker 1: the sonic quality of the album. I was going to
Speaker 1: say that it feels like the start to a different
Speaker 1: album than we get. Um, I don't like I feel
Speaker 1: like Cardigan should should be the first track something like that.
Speaker 1: That's more indicative of the rest of the album. That
Speaker 1: being said, like I think it's taking off the judgment
Speaker 1: of it as an album opener. I love the song, like,
Speaker 1: I really like the song. I love what it's about,
Speaker 1: like and just in general, like the hook is fun,
Speaker 1: Like I just really like it, and I really I
Speaker 1: recognize that a lot of times, like like even I
Speaker 1: forgot that you existed, Like I think that's a really
Speaker 1: fun song. And I love when she's a brat, which
Speaker 1: I'm kind of missing on this album. Like I love
Speaker 1: when she's like a pop star braddy, like sort of
Speaker 1: big sound, like I that's Taylor to me, Like that's
Speaker 1: you haven't called her Taylor Taylor once until just now,
Speaker 1: and I think she lost the tailor. That's because she's
Speaker 1: being Taylor and she's not Taylor, which is fine, I mean,
Speaker 1: and she is Taylor. That is what's on her birth certificate.
Speaker 1: It's really culture number fifty. She is Taylor. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what's on her birth cert, and so she's fully
Speaker 1: justified in being Taylor. Um, but I just missed Taylor
Speaker 1: on this Alice Taylor. Um, but I love the song. Yes,
Speaker 1: what was Taylor's first album is? I think it's It's
Speaker 1: I think it's Red. Taylor appeared a little bit and
Speaker 1: speak now to be honest with you, Like, but mean
Speaker 1: was Taylor? Yeah, she started to become Taylor then, and
Speaker 1: then Sparks Fly as Taylor, Sparks Fly is Taylor. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot going on there. And then Taylor
Speaker 1: was literally wrote half the album of Red, and then
Speaker 1: Taylor was full on nine. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: there was any Taylor on Taylor. Literally, she was like
Speaker 1: maybe she wasn't even Taylor on reputation. She was like, Tay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? She was something. Don't know
Speaker 1: about that. I'm not seeing enough Taylor Taylor. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I love the one. And then we go into Cardigan,
Speaker 1: which is the single what do you feel? Um? I
Speaker 1: like it. I think it's great. It's it's classic national
Speaker 1: to me? Yeah? To me? Is it is it too much? Nationally?
Speaker 1: This felt like Lana cosplayed to me in a way
Speaker 1: where I was like, this doesn't feel like Taylor scripted,
Speaker 1: Yeah that this felt like Norman fucking rock qual Lana
Speaker 1: Um and I enjoy it and see I'm like, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm like critiquing each track in terms of like the
Speaker 1: full context of the album, because I like Cardigan in
Speaker 1: the way that it sets up other songs, like exactly
Speaker 1: like Betty like allstit affairs. Yeah, to me, this is
Speaker 1: this is like where the album starts. Um and I
Speaker 1: her visuals for this are like exactly what she wants
Speaker 1: them to be. She is officially an old colonial woman
Speaker 1: who sat in the grass with her notebook and snapped,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, very that, very that, And
Speaker 1: I really I love the uh you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I love the little hooks, Like It's a great song
Speaker 1: for me. Just I had a question about like do
Speaker 1: we feel like this is a Lana del Rey song?
Speaker 1: But do we do we care? Because while this Dreams
Speaker 1: is full Lana Dragon, it's one of her best and
Speaker 1: this is this is a big discussion that I have
Speaker 1: I find with so many people, I don't feel Wildest
Speaker 1: Dreams is Lana Drag the way this song is Lana dragged.
Speaker 1: I feel I felt Lana del Rey is not capable
Speaker 1: of the big sound that Wildest Dreams is. I I
Speaker 1: just don't think that she does that interesting. While this
Speaker 1: Dreams is Laana dragg pre Norman fucking rock like like
Speaker 1: that's Lana Drag like um, you know, ultra violence, and
Speaker 1: like the first album was that called Born to Die.
Speaker 1: It's Born to Die Lana um and then this and
Speaker 1: then Cardigan is a Norman fucking rock. Well, but I
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yes, sonically it's more lush
Speaker 1: than a Lana song, but I mean lyrically, this this
Speaker 1: song is like terrific and the entire album lyrically is poetry.
Speaker 1: And we have to say that, like Patti Lapone said
Speaker 1: of Faddy Lapone, yes, I was gonna bring will say
Speaker 1: it's second, Taylor is a poet. This is an album
Speaker 1: of poetry. I mean, it really is, and that she
Speaker 1: has never written like this, I mean talking about we
Speaker 1: do have to say hold on by I was speaking
Speaker 1: before we move on while the streamst My last night
Speaker 1: in l A, Matt and I got stoned with Jared
Speaker 1: and Sudie and we were watching Taylor videos and while
Speaker 1: the streams. That bridge. You cannot beat that that is
Speaker 1: that is one of her best bridges. And it's just
Speaker 1: you fully get finger blasted by that bridge. I mean
Speaker 1: you and finger blasted today. You were on one about fingers.
Speaker 1: Did you have you gotten fingered recently? I got fingered
Speaker 1: by me? No. I love that for you know that
Speaker 1: you're wi I'm not a sell finger. I never have
Speaker 1: been either. You know what, Actually Taylor could learn a
Speaker 1: lot from this, because you know, Taylor doesn't write about fingering.
Speaker 1: But Taylor would give her too more years anyway, So
Speaker 1: basically she was talking about getting fingered in the second
Speaker 1: half of reputation. Sorry, um, but anyway, The Last Great
Speaker 1: American Dynasty. Oh wow, I love this. I love this song.
Speaker 1: I love storytelling moment from her. I love that she's
Speaker 1: you know, third person in it, Like I think it's
Speaker 1: really really cool and just she comes in at the end. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The twist that she said it's about her home in
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, I thought was really cute. The fact that
Speaker 1: she wrote a song about it, I thought is nice.
Speaker 1: And the fact that she is that explorative of an
Speaker 1: artist like that she found some of herself and this
Speaker 1: woman that used to own her house. I thought it
Speaker 1: is something that's very Taylor and her vocals great, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a really satisfying song lyrically and vocally
Speaker 1: marvelous time earning everything is love that lyric. Um, it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful song about property ownership. Let's give it up. Yes, Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so talk about exile exile. People seem that the hetero
Speaker 1: seemed to love exile. I don't know that. The rest
Speaker 1: of us who know about her, um sort of I
Speaker 1: think are brushing it off as like I just Bonie
Speaker 1: Vere on this track. First of all, he his balls
Speaker 1: finally dropped. That's what Rose Donna tweeted. Um, such a
Speaker 1: deep register, which is great for ms justin vernon. You know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't fully culm me until like they're both sort
Speaker 1: of trading off lines and phrases to each other. I
Speaker 1: think it's fine, it's fine. Why does she sound Why
Speaker 1: does he sound like the by she I mean Bonie,
Speaker 1: she sounds like the Beast and Beauty and the Beast,
Speaker 1: the live action hon When when he started singing, I
Speaker 1: was like, who the fund is this beast? He sounds
Speaker 1: like Johnny Cash Like. I was like, this is not
Speaker 1: Bonie vere. It just jarred me in the in the beginning.
Speaker 1: And then you find out that he wrote his lyrics
Speaker 1: and she wrote hers, and it's like, yeah, well, the
Speaker 1: quality difference in the lyrics that he wrote in the
Speaker 1: lyrics that she wrote are a fucking you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a difference to difference. Taylor is more
Speaker 1: versatile as a lyricist than so many people give her
Speaker 1: credit for it. It's very evident here where she can
Speaker 1: she can like retrofit her process to someone else's voice,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people can't do the same. Like
Speaker 1: she's able to infuse all of these songs with like
Speaker 1: this like longing and this like specificity just like she
Speaker 1: really is and like but there's there's still a quality
Speaker 1: of like white female nous to it that's like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't know what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say, but it's I think that she is just
Speaker 1: more in touch with her emotions and she's just more
Speaker 1: illustrative with her emotions, and I think she's interested in
Speaker 1: her own emotions in a way he doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be on this song. It's just just like I get
Speaker 1: that she wanted to be down and cool with him
Speaker 1: writing his own verse because I think she was excited
Speaker 1: that he wanted to be on it. But for me,
Speaker 1: the strength of the song is with her, and it
Speaker 1: really comes alive in the bridge when he sounds like
Speaker 1: himself again, like we've been saying, Taylor soft Bridge queen,
Speaker 1: and the song does sort of lift off and go
Speaker 1: somewhere cool and emotional, but the first verse, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just not into. The only sort of like moment for
Speaker 1: me is when they're singing sort of to each other
Speaker 1: and he's just like, um, you gave me no signs,
Speaker 1: and then she goes, I gave and then she sinks
Speaker 1: I gave so many signs. That's like when it gets interesting.
Speaker 1: But that's it. Yeah, My Tears ricochet lovely. This is great,
Speaker 1: and I mean this is so I love. Didn't have
Speaker 1: it in myself to go with Grace, Like it's about
Speaker 1: betrayal the imagery again and this song is wildly good. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: it's about her getting sucked over over her music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wants those masters back. This is a song about Scooter.
Speaker 1: It's a very panic at the disco title. Didn't she
Speaker 1: think My Tears Construction would need to be eight more
Speaker 1: words long, but like my tears ricochet off the desk
Speaker 1: at which I sit and it's fun. Like then it
Speaker 1: would be a panic at this guy title. But love
Speaker 1: this love that Ricochet is in the song. Yes, Ms
Speaker 1: Rich by the way, congratulations, congratulations Ms Ricochet Hula. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this song is great, I mean, and then we get
Speaker 1: mirror Ball. I fucking love Mirrorball. This is Jesus and
Speaker 1: Mary Chane. This is Magnetic Fields drag realness. It's I
Speaker 1: fucking I see. Like this is like me, like there's
Speaker 1: this record store in Denver, twist and show hey Denver,
Speaker 1: um this this, I mean, yeah for for me, like
Speaker 1: this very speaks to this very much speaks to like
Speaker 1: the my sort of musical upbringing where it's like it
Speaker 1: wasn't until high school that I was like discovering like
Speaker 1: my my horizons were expanding and I was like going
Speaker 1: through crates and stuff of music and like discovering all
Speaker 1: these musicians independently, and I was just like, oh, like this,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I associate this sonic quality to
Speaker 1: just that lush, like deep vibrant sort of production on it.
Speaker 1: It's so good in her voice being layered in it's
Speaker 1: so nice. Was just gonna say a lot of it
Speaker 1: is the layering of the vocals is really really nice.
Speaker 1: And this is really the sixpence on the Richer Moment
Speaker 1: on the Alu and again the lyrics. We could we
Speaker 1: could talk on every song about how good the lyrics is,
Speaker 1: but what I would what I pulled from this is
Speaker 1: the vocals are great, and um, she sounds great and
Speaker 1: just a tough lyrically, specifically when she says I've never
Speaker 1: been a natural, all I do is try, try, try,
Speaker 1: you know. Jared points out that that's like really who
Speaker 1: she is, you know what I mean, And it's a
Speaker 1: self awareness about herself, which is kind of cool to see,
Speaker 1: and um, I just love that. That's it feels like lyrically,
Speaker 1: this is Taylor Swift in a nutshell. It's her coming
Speaker 1: to terms with like the thing that's sort of motivated
Speaker 1: her whole life, which is that she just works. She
Speaker 1: I mean, she's like she you can't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: like whatever, like let's just like put aside like any
Speaker 1: sort of like value in like productivity or whatever or anything.
Speaker 1: But it's like she just works so hard and she
Speaker 1: has she has worked for like validation from like the industry.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's interesting reading a lot of interviews
Speaker 1: um by Aaron with Aaron Destner. I read one this morning, well,
Speaker 1: im multure he didn't want Pitchfork where he was talking
Speaker 1: about how like he met Taylor and like how Taylor
Speaker 1: went to one of the Nationals or one of Big
Speaker 1: Red Machines concerts in Prospect Park last year she went
Speaker 1: with Anthony, I think, and um, which is great, but
Speaker 1: I love that. I think I think Anthony is the
Speaker 1: perfect sort of like Cipher or the surrogate to like
Speaker 1: to like introduce Taylor to these bands, but like I'm
Speaker 1: sure Taylor knew of them. If Antony is the reason
Speaker 1: for folklore, I have mixed felings about that, but ultimately
Speaker 1: stops up. Um, but I'll stop but Aaron Destner, Aaron
Speaker 1: Destner was just like, yeah, like we met like she
Speaker 1: and like you can tell that like he respects. He
Speaker 1: always respected the hell out of her. And it's like
Speaker 1: I think amongst musicians like like like like whatever, the
Speaker 1: general public's sentiment around Taylor Swift is like crested and
Speaker 1: crashed like so many in so many different ways and times.
Speaker 1: But like musicians, I think see through all that and
Speaker 1: like respect the a lot of Taylor Swift. I am
Speaker 1: sure that they do. That's why she has a million Grammys,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's like, yes, her
Speaker 1: industry respects her, but also the people that make up
Speaker 1: the industry respect her. That's why she has so many
Speaker 1: interesting collaborations. That's why she works at the best of
Speaker 1: the best. I mean, yes, or she she has a
Speaker 1: machine behind her that probably gets whatever it wants. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: you cannot argue with the fact that anyone can not
Speaker 1: anyone can become successful, but anyone with the amount of
Speaker 1: privilege that she had can become probably successful in some way.
Speaker 1: Not everyone can become the most successful and stay the
Speaker 1: most successful. She is really, really, really talented, and we
Speaker 1: talked about her as a songwriter and a musician, but
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of her vocal ability, something that's
Speaker 1: happening throughout this entire album is she is really emotionally
Speaker 1: connected to a lot of this stuff. And um, even
Speaker 1: when it's like, even when she's outsourcing the experience to
Speaker 1: look through like another point of view, it's still like
Speaker 1: so lived in yep. Um, I was gonna say, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, yes, you're right about like anyone, anyone
Speaker 1: quote unquote could have reached this level of whatever exposure,
Speaker 1: but like not everyone can leverage their resources in this way.
Speaker 1: She knows how to direct her whatever energy, let's say,
Speaker 1: to the right people and at the right time, and
Speaker 1: conserve the right things and pull them out at the
Speaker 1: right in the right ways and execute in the correct way.
Speaker 1: And I think she's she's done that. The album gets
Speaker 1: really strong for me around this area seven. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this song is a moment. This song is about,
Speaker 1: you know, nostalgia is her best friend, as we and uh,
Speaker 1: this song is actually about a lot more than I
Speaker 1: think people realize because it's about I think a friend
Speaker 1: of hers that went through a trauma at a very
Speaker 1: young age. Um is what I'm gathering from my research.
Speaker 1: And just the the lyric. Are there still beautiful things? Um?
Speaker 1: You know talking about and that very vivid painting of
Speaker 1: a girl up in a tree like looking down like
Speaker 1: her saying Pennsylvania's below her, like that moment of innocence
Speaker 1: is so captured in this and saying you peaked at seven.
Speaker 1: At seven, that's it's sad. It's really sad, and it's
Speaker 1: so feels like a quarantine song, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like a real moment of reflection. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I know better songs then this matter about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mirrorball I think is a contender for for Quarantine, for
Speaker 1: a good quarantine song, um which where it's like I'm hush,
Speaker 1: I know they say the end is near, but you
Speaker 1: know whatever, it's like. But seven seven feels like an
Speaker 1: Alice Monroe story. It's like so like tragic and like
Speaker 1: sad and about a girl which we all fucking love anyway,
Speaker 1: Um seven I love. I just she's doing something you vocally,
Speaker 1: I think that we haven't heard her do before, just
Speaker 1: like like just singing up in that little I guess
Speaker 1: that's not really a mass where it's not really like
Speaker 1: a a mix, but it's like she's she's she's like
Speaker 1: she's like kind of straining in this very nice way.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if straining is the right word.
Speaker 1: But it's beautiful. It's beautiful. I mean, well, speaking of vocals,
Speaker 1: we get the album's one and only belt on August,
Speaker 1: which I love. This is my favorite song and it
Speaker 1: should come as no surprise because I I've been saying
Speaker 1: that I, you know, gravitate more towards the pop stuff.
Speaker 1: There's a drum machine. Yeah to me, I specifically love
Speaker 1: this song because not only is it more in line
Speaker 1: with my sensibility in terms of not only Taylor but
Speaker 1: also just pop music. I love what this is about.
Speaker 1: This is about that um like a look at ephemeral
Speaker 1: summer romance. Yes, it's about that relationship in your life
Speaker 1: that comes and goes and you, um will always remember it.
Speaker 1: And that lyric about it being like a bottle of
Speaker 1: sipped wine August slipped away. Man, it is so good.
Speaker 1: I'm about to be a fucking I'm about to be
Speaker 1: a fucking idiot. It's so First she goes August slipped
Speaker 1: away like into a moment in time. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: she goes August sipped away like a bottle of wine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, a little subtle, subtle change in
Speaker 1: the constant. Yeah, she nailed that. And also, um, you know,
Speaker 1: just she's again so good at just saying what we
Speaker 1: all feel and we're all like, oh, yeah, that is
Speaker 1: how I feel, like, cancel all your plans just in
Speaker 1: case you call. Like that feels like old Taylor in
Speaker 1: a way, where you're like, yeah, that's that girl, that's
Speaker 1: that girl we know and she and she's still um,
Speaker 1: she's still here in this thirty year thirty one year
Speaker 1: old body that she was when she was fourteen, fifteen
Speaker 1: and sixteen years old. You know, like still grappling with
Speaker 1: this stuff and still able to articulate it in that
Speaker 1: pure way. You're like, yeah, that Taylor that you weren't sure,
Speaker 1: We're still there from reputation and lover which is kind
Speaker 1: of a mess compared to this album, if I if
Speaker 1: I do say so myself, Um, no real shame because
Speaker 1: it's still a great album. We just have such such
Speaker 1: a high standard. Um, it's really fun to hear this
Speaker 1: stuff from her. This is classic Taylor where she has uh,
Speaker 1: she has a bridge that's like one sort of idea
Speaker 1: and then she repeats it again, but then like sort
Speaker 1: of with with this like accentuated um force behind it
Speaker 1: because you know, like I do, remember like she does,
Speaker 1: they canceled my plans just in case you would call.
Speaker 1: And then she comes back into it and dropped the
Speaker 1: beat drops out and then it like and the guitars
Speaker 1: and the drums come back in like full force. The
Speaker 1: second time when she when she repeats the bridge, it's
Speaker 1: like okay, like she knows, she's like so good. She's
Speaker 1: done this a million times before, and we love it
Speaker 1: because she knows when to pull out the trucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean it also didn't feel like a departure
Speaker 1: from the rest to the album either, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It just feels like a high point, like
Speaker 1: a classic, just natural high point in the album. I
Speaker 1: love this song. I think I think it's the album's
Speaker 1: strongest song. That's one of my favorites. Um this is
Speaker 1: Me Trying. I really don't have too much to say
Speaker 1: about this. I think it's pretty simple. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's good. I just don't have too much
Speaker 1: to say about it after the three songs that came
Speaker 1: before it, Like you know, I I think it it's
Speaker 1: a different emotional texture and I like that she's playing
Speaker 1: a little bit like, um, this is like sprit. But
Speaker 1: I think it's a good acting performance. This is like
Speaker 1: The Archer where it just starts off with like one tone.
Speaker 1: It's like because on This is Me Trying, it's like
Speaker 1: and then there's the drums coming and then it starts
Speaker 1: to embellish, but then like, I think that's how the
Speaker 1: Archer was. It's just it's like the within the Archer was,
Speaker 1: and then the other stuff gets gets sort of glombed on,
Speaker 1: but layered in, layered in. I think this is like
Speaker 1: very a nice little sort of garnished on the album.
Speaker 1: I guess where it's just like, uh yeah, it just
Speaker 1: builds towards like this, this christiando at the end. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs on the album is Illicit Affairs,
Speaker 1: because I just I I loved Dashboard Confessional and this
Speaker 1: to me feels like a song. The bridge is so dashboard,
Speaker 1: I mean, not everything about it, Like I love that
Speaker 1: it's just about like you know, and a lot of
Speaker 1: it almost feels like a short chapter of a book.
Speaker 1: It's just so well written and it's such a you
Speaker 1: can really follow it. And a lot of this album
Speaker 1: is about being secretive and what goes on behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that like not everyone knows about, and like little
Speaker 1: little moments like stolen moments. And I like that she
Speaker 1: explores this like you know, um, not to repeat the title,
Speaker 1: but elicit side of herself, like naughty side of herself,
Speaker 1: like side of herself that's breaking the rules a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think it's really fun. I love the surprising little
Speaker 1: melody choices in the in the um this. You know
Speaker 1: what I think she does on this album, uh, is
Speaker 1: she makes these meals out of like small small flings,
Speaker 1: let's say, where it's like I've and this is this
Speaker 1: is just me getting personal if it's like I'm all
Speaker 1: I'm always hung up on the thing of like I
Speaker 1: haven't had anything longer, I haven't been in a relationship
Speaker 1: longer than like this much time and this much time.
Speaker 1: And I talked to friends and like other friends who
Speaker 1: kind of have the same experience, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's like time doesn't lend anything legitimacy,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's it's it's these like fleeting moments
Speaker 1: that are so powerful, and I feel like she I
Speaker 1: think Taylor is like really leading into that sort of
Speaker 1: overall notion on this album is like these little moments
Speaker 1: get blown out into these musical sort of pieces that
Speaker 1: are so beautiful. And I do love A Listened Affairs
Speaker 1: for being the second part of this teenage love trilogy
Speaker 1: that she's she built out. Well, that you have you
Speaker 1: have Betty, you have the the other Woman and then
Speaker 1: you have James, I guess who is like um, and
Speaker 1: then and then you mean by other woman icon Well no,
Speaker 1: but the the do you think? And Naz is singing
Speaker 1: list of affairs that's from and that's what I think
Speaker 1: you heard the rumors from me Naz. Okay, interesting, Well
Speaker 1: we'll get to that when we get to Betty. Um,
Speaker 1: I think that is just like a fun like it's
Speaker 1: like a fun like person with the gossip. You think
Speaker 1: it's a fun thing that rhymes, says. I think it's
Speaker 1: a fun thing that rhymes, it says. It's a fun
Speaker 1: name that rends it says. And then she's as is
Speaker 1: just like it's a way for Taylor to put a
Speaker 1: little color in the album. She wasn't hearing enough color,
Speaker 1: Jared saying, Okay, so I guess the love triangle is
Speaker 1: Betty ENAs and James named after Blake Lively. And this
Speaker 1: is what jeryld drive. Um, we don't have to get
Speaker 1: into that. He just gave me a look that was
Speaker 1: like I'm right, Oh, I'm sure he's right, But I'm
Speaker 1: also like, okay, that's right. We have to like this
Speaker 1: couple that got married on a plantation. Hi Jane, Oh, Hijane.
Speaker 1: I miss her. She's so beautiful, She's a gorgeous woman.
Speaker 1: She's she's doing wonder I was thinking about Jane today.
Speaker 1: I was reading a book that was talking about the
Speaker 1: Olympic brain, about how like dogs play fetch and play
Speaker 1: tug of war, not because it doesn't serve any evolutionary purpose,
Speaker 1: but it's because they want to connect with you know,
Speaker 1: they're people they like. Well, you know, Jane actually is
Speaker 1: going through it a little bit right now because she
Speaker 1: heard her Paul a little bit at daycare and so
Speaker 1: actually she's going to the vet now and she's going
Speaker 1: to get checked out. And Jared's dared thinks it. He
Speaker 1: can sense in her energy that she's not feeling too good.
Speaker 1: Has Jared talked to a pet psychic? Has Jared talked
Speaker 1: to a pet psychic? Yet? He has not spoken to
Speaker 1: a pet psychic, But I famously want us to speak
Speaker 1: to you should speak to on. I was talking with
Speaker 1: m fight Master the other night and they were telling
Speaker 1: me about an experience of the pet psychic they had
Speaker 1: with their cat, Um whose name was originally some crazy name,
Speaker 1: but the pet psychic was like, oh no, the cat
Speaker 1: wants to be called Rindy, like you you've been calling
Speaker 1: the cat Rindy, and the cat likes the name Rindy,
Speaker 1: And like it's just these pet psychics. I mean, they
Speaker 1: they are communing with something big, and I think you
Speaker 1: should you should have Jared talked to a pet psychic.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll we'll be speaking to a pet psychic
Speaker 1: in the near future. Um, but let's continue with our
Speaker 1: sort of discussion on this album and talk about Invisible String,
Speaker 1: a song that everyone loves and I don't get It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful song. I don't get it. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't get the not that I don't it sound that
Speaker 1: I hate it. It's just that everyone has this reaction
Speaker 1: to it. And I'm like, what makes this one so
Speaker 1: much different than everything else. It's just the way the
Speaker 1: guitar hast plucked. Aaron Dustin I was thinking an interview that, Um,
Speaker 1: the bridge on the guitar was like there was like
Speaker 1: a rubber stopper and like kind of like stopped this
Speaker 1: the strings, the plucks from vibrating, so that it just
Speaker 1: sounded so plucky. I just think it's so's She's just
Speaker 1: it's just such an interestingly produced and instrumental and like
Speaker 1: arranged song and like you know, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: And as you've established, Taylor Swift does longing better than anybody.
Speaker 1: And this is a song. Um I think Pitchworker was
Speaker 1: writing about this, Like there's there's a quality and a
Speaker 1: lot of love songs that is like I'm missing someone
Speaker 1: before you've met them, like Harley Ridge Gubson before you
Speaker 1: came into my life. I missed you so bad. There's
Speaker 1: like there's like there's like this feeling. There's no word
Speaker 1: for it, but there's this feeling that gets written about
Speaker 1: kind of universally, and I feel like this is a
Speaker 1: song that's about that. It's like two people, um who
Speaker 1: they haven't even mapped, but there are these like invisible
Speaker 1: hands and forces that like bring them together. And I
Speaker 1: think she, I think Taylor captures that so perfectly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just a beautiful song. It's a beautiful melody.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna speak about this one because I
Speaker 1: just I don't really have strong feelings on it either way.
Speaker 1: I'm just reacting to the fact that everyone seems to
Speaker 1: love this one is like a standout on the album,
Speaker 1: and I think it's I don't know, I think it's
Speaker 1: one of her best songs, the best songs ever. It's
Speaker 1: just it's so evocative, it's so I can't even get
Speaker 1: into what did he say it again? I just I
Speaker 1: just love it. I just think it's so lovely. It's lovely,
Speaker 1: well moving to one of the songs that I think
Speaker 1: is the best one on the whole album. I don't
Speaker 1: care much for this mad Woman See mad Woman to
Speaker 1: me is like the girl on reputation has chilled out
Speaker 1: and like how a glass of wine and like, but
Speaker 1: it's still just as pissed. Like I think that her
Speaker 1: perform on this and the lyrics on this are on
Speaker 1: the album, Like when she says that girl on the
Speaker 1: in the lawn, do you think that she's smiling or
Speaker 1: is she's saying fuck you forever? Like that to me
Speaker 1: is and the way that she says it is so
Speaker 1: the way that she when she's delivering the line, my
Speaker 1: cannons all firing at your yacht, like she sounds furious
Speaker 1: and like you can hear in her voice she's like
Speaker 1: shaking with anger, Like this is about I guess Scotporchetta
Speaker 1: and Scooterbron, and I mean they will be enemies of
Speaker 1: hers for the rest of her life, and I think that,
Speaker 1: like it's just so like you took me down, but
Speaker 1: you didn't realize that I will never stop fighting for
Speaker 1: what is mine and what is right, and you will
Speaker 1: always be the villains in the story. Like you might
Speaker 1: have won the battle, but the war you will you
Speaker 1: have lost, and you will always be losing. It's like,
Speaker 1: truly the song is like I mean, I mean even
Speaker 1: just talking about like, um, you made her this way,
Speaker 1: like this is your it didn't have to be this way.
Speaker 1: And this is my take pretty much on this entire
Speaker 1: album as compared to Lover, but specifically this song as
Speaker 1: compared to The Man. The Man I've always said I
Speaker 1: don't love like I. I think it's very clever, but
Speaker 1: it's on the nose. She's it's it's it's too much
Speaker 1: of him. It's too simple of a thought that she's community. Literally,
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez could sing that song. I mean, Arianna Granda
Speaker 1: could sing that song. Anyone could sing that song, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like cool, it didn't feel like singularly Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift like she was sort of like stating sexism instead
Speaker 1: of exploring sexism and exploring the way that it's like
Speaker 1: really hurt her and what her feelings are around it,
Speaker 1: exploring the fact that she's been betrayed by people that
Speaker 1: she trusted. This is singularly Taylor her using all of
Speaker 1: her like which like powers as a songwriter and really
Speaker 1: specific cyfically illustrating what she's going through instead of you know,
Speaker 1: if I was a man, things would be easier, like
Speaker 1: anyone can say that. Everyone has been saying that for
Speaker 1: the past twenty five years, and I think, like, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it's it's when you, when you stated so plainly again
Speaker 1: and again, that's when stupid people start stop listening and
Speaker 1: she sure this and they'll feel it in their bones.
Speaker 1: People have compared The Man with if I were a
Speaker 1: boy Beyonce, and it's like that's like a full like
Speaker 1: rumination reflection on like how different her like experiences her
Speaker 1: or her the way she would receive things or she
Speaker 1: would like what else what she would do differently. This
Speaker 1: is like the Man is more like my career would
Speaker 1: be different if I was if I was a man,
Speaker 1: which like is that which is totally valid, totally, but
Speaker 1: it felt like her as a part of the pop
Speaker 1: music industry speaking on the issue and not her as
Speaker 1: an artist as a human being speaking on it, I
Speaker 1: like that take on man women a lot, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a more grounded rage. You're right. I like that
Speaker 1: she's chilled out. She's had a clout, a couple of
Speaker 1: classes of wine. Some years have passed by, but she's
Speaker 1: still like fucked like fucking piston, right. And this is
Speaker 1: where I said, like, I think this is the most
Speaker 1: the best example of how Quarantine has been a very
Speaker 1: interesting and useful creative time for her. Again, never want
Speaker 1: to say that Quarantine has been quote unquote good for anyone,
Speaker 1: but so what I'm saying is, like this, I wonder
Speaker 1: if she experimented with psychedelics before she did this. I
Speaker 1: am willing to bet that she's done psychedelics before this album.
Speaker 1: I think she's done psychedelics like I think she did
Speaker 1: it like before Red, honestly, and that would make sense
Speaker 1: to me. But like the entire imagery of like her
Speaker 1: being up in the woods, she's making shrooms tea, she's
Speaker 1: doing the Silo Cybin t Darling hundred per cent. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, like she saw the Goop episode,
Speaker 1: she saw that she did, Yes, she she she literally
Speaker 1: watched Goop and was like, I'm doing that. No, just kidding.
Speaker 1: She's smarter in that I'm And see here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Taylor watches the Group Show and says, I want to
Speaker 1: do that. Taylor has been doing it for ten years.
Speaker 1: Like for me, it's like she's like already been explored
Speaker 1: her mind. But Taylor, I think, see this is this
Speaker 1: is the difference. Taylor was singing the Man and I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about the Man from Taylor. Taylor
Speaker 1: wrote mad Woman and I'm like wrapped. So you're not
Speaker 1: even so I thought you were like disappointed that Taylor
Speaker 1: was back, but you're so I'm not disappointed that Taylor
Speaker 1: is back. I'm saying Taylor and Taylor are two different people.
Speaker 1: And Taylor is hips hips point, let's go. And Taylor
Speaker 1: is like, I am, you know, writing my name in
Speaker 1: a tree, but for real, because I am this girl.
Speaker 1: And she's like I'm gonna write poetry and actually not
Speaker 1: going to class today, or like I'm feeling sick because
Speaker 1: I'm too emotional, which I love, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I love both those girls, but I want them
Speaker 1: to I want them to both naturally be themselves. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I see because there is like
Speaker 1: a duality to her. What's her what's her sign? What's
Speaker 1: her sign? She's a Sagittarius, yes, December, Yeah, the archer, Um,
Speaker 1: she's a sad I want I want Johnny Nicholas to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of her chart. I want to
Speaker 1: want miss Johnny Nicholas to really look into what's going
Speaker 1: on there. You might even say that on this album
Speaker 1: she had an epiphany. Oh my god, is that? What's next? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can you tell that I've been doing puns for the
Speaker 1: past two weeks. There's a lot of pun humor and
Speaker 1: hot dog so like um epiphany anyway, stunning, gorgeous, gorgeous score,
Speaker 1: just score to score, just a beautiful tribute to her
Speaker 1: grandfather discussing, you know, his experiences in the war and
Speaker 1: then relating it to COVID. Relating it to COVID. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: a beautiful song. Beautiful song. I mean, I don't have
Speaker 1: much to really say about it other than I just appreciate,
Speaker 1: um gorgeous song about the fragility of life. Yes, um, okay,
Speaker 1: what's gonna tell me? We have Betty I she I
Speaker 1: think she is fully aware of the sort of queer
Speaker 1: bating discussion that's been around her ever since Lover, and
Speaker 1: I feel like she absolutely knew what she was going
Speaker 1: to be doing, that she was going to drive the
Speaker 1: queers up the fucking wall with like the speculation on this,
Speaker 1: I love that she's taking cover behind this is from
Speaker 1: the point of view of James, but it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: even her singing through um a sort of like transcending
Speaker 1: gender in her point of view, is a queer thing,
Speaker 1: you know, like she's she's doing something queer. Regardless of
Speaker 1: your take on this, I do not think she wrote
Speaker 1: this as a queer bating thing. I think she's telling
Speaker 1: a story, just like she told the story with every
Speaker 1: track on the Alum could have easily used the third person,
Speaker 1: easily used the third person and said James at this,
Speaker 1: jameson Nope, I'm gonna revisit this later. And I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, because I'm okay, girl it um. But
Speaker 1: I feel that she is just simply exploring perspective on
Speaker 1: this song beautifully. I love this song. That's one of
Speaker 1: my favorites, that's one of my first on the entire album,
Speaker 1: and I think that it has nothing to do with queerness.
Speaker 1: And I don't think she sat she sat down and
Speaker 1: wrote that song and said, and the internet, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about how it might be clear. Right, that's Taylor. Though
Speaker 1: Taylor is still Taylor doesn't exist on this album, yes,
Speaker 1: but she subconsciously exists. She is very much pulling the
Speaker 1: strings Taylor, because Taylor. This is just stupid, stupid horror.
Speaker 1: I want to say that. Aaron Destner also said that
Speaker 1: she was going for like Bob Dylan, like freewheeling, like
Speaker 1: early Bob Dylan, free willing Bob Dylan. T is like Harmonica,
Speaker 1: of course, like the whole bit. It's very much um
Speaker 1: fucking cape lynchat and I'm not there like doing Bob Dylan.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, this is a woman doing drag as
Speaker 1: a man, right, but I don't. But but but that's
Speaker 1: queer darling, And that's queer even though I don't. Even
Speaker 1: though it's not like this lesbian anthem, it's still she's
Speaker 1: it's a queer. It's queer cannon if people needed to
Speaker 1: be queer, as your friend Jill got to it said,
Speaker 1: this song is peer cannon. Betty is queer cannon metal.
Speaker 1: She's wrong, And I would say that to Jill's face
Speaker 1: as I push her off a bridge. So here's what
Speaker 1: I feel this is, she's being an artist on this song,
Speaker 1: not a queer batter on this song. Taylor. Taylor doesn't
Speaker 1: queer bait. No, She's she sat on the grass with
Speaker 1: her bare feet and she wrote this song because she
Speaker 1: wanted to explore perspective and tell that that tell the
Speaker 1: trilogy story. It's not queer baiting, and I'm I'm revisiting.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it is. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: more to it than she wrote a lovely song, which
Speaker 1: my only problem with it is it's the same literally same,
Speaker 1: same exactly core progression of death by that and cuts,
Speaker 1: which is distracting to me. Literally it's the same, but
Speaker 1: it's the same exact question. But it's like how Judas
Speaker 1: is the same exact core progression is like bad romance.
Speaker 1: I would point that out as well. Then if that's true,
Speaker 1: I would point that out as well. I just it
Speaker 1: is true. There's no need to question it's validity, right, bitch,
Speaker 1: stupid you are You're just mad that I don't agree
Speaker 1: with you on that point. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: while the song is not queer Cannon and I don't
Speaker 1: think she was baiting with this. I do think Inez
Speaker 1: is a gay icon. Z is a gay icon. Now
Speaker 1: now it's Ryan Reynolds's daughter. Why is their daughter named Inez?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm sure. I mean, I'm sure there
Speaker 1: might be a family name. Um. We we should say
Speaker 1: that we love Ryan, we love Blake, we love the children.
Speaker 1: We don't know them. We can't say we love them.
Speaker 1: We don't know them. Miss Why is I would like
Speaker 1: to know. Honestly, I don't think so, honey, that Blake
Speaker 1: Glavely named her daughter Enez. Well, that's not for us
Speaker 1: to question. It is for us to question. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be upfront. Can I say something. Blake Lively stopped me
Speaker 1: in the halls of eight h and complimented me one time,
Speaker 1: so I can't really talk. Oh my god, you're talking
Speaker 1: cutting it out. We're not. We're not cutting it out,
Speaker 1: he says. He goes, I have to be honest. Blake
Speaker 1: Live least tapped me in the studios of SNL and
Speaker 1: like complimented me on my performance or whatever. So he
Speaker 1: thinks you have to cut this out. We are not
Speaker 1: cutting it out, bitch. You also haven't said anything it's
Speaker 1: me that's questioning why her kid is named in and
Speaker 1: I would ask her that question in the studios of eight. Ah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to protect my friends Blake and Ryan who
Speaker 1: got married on a plantation. L O L Hi Jared.
Speaker 1: We can't, Hi, Jared, we can't use any of this. Um,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I don't. I really don't think Betty
Speaker 1: is queer baiting guys. Just let me just let me
Speaker 1: you have you have the you can have it, and
Speaker 1: guess what millions agree with you over us. But we
Speaker 1: have to voice this. I don't even this is actually
Speaker 1: a rasure. It's not. It's not. It's not because we
Speaker 1: don't need Taylor Swift to be gay if she's not,
Speaker 1: and I don't think she is. And I think it's
Speaker 1: like I I resent the fact that she could. She's
Speaker 1: like hiding in a client not saying. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: no matter what, she's gay. I'm saying that she decided
Speaker 1: to have a queer filter through her songwriting and Betty
Speaker 1: and that's absolutely you can absolutely make that argument. Fine,
Speaker 1: maybe that, but I'm just she's channeling right. But it's
Speaker 1: also in an album called Folklore, in which she's telling
Speaker 1: folk tales. I think that it's also just as valid
Speaker 1: to say it's a story from someone's point of view,
Speaker 1: because I think she's doing a lot of storytelling on
Speaker 1: the album. That don't think you don't think there's a
Speaker 1: place for queer people in modern folk tales? Got it
Speaker 1: homophobic or no? I'm saying that she can first homophobic
Speaker 1: sex worker? Ok, oh my god, let's move on. Piece.
Speaker 1: I love peace, Love Peace, literally love peace. Thought the
Speaker 1: album should have been did with this. I agree, but
Speaker 1: I would say that I think this is a genius
Speaker 1: marketing tool for her to be like and stay tuned.
Speaker 1: If you buy my vinyl or my physical CD, you'll
Speaker 1: get the bonus track of the Lakes, which feels like
Speaker 1: maybe the real closer. I wish that The Lakes was
Speaker 1: the closer then, and not Hoax because I don't like
Speaker 1: cokes hopefull. It feels tacked on. Well it's I think, um,
Speaker 1: it's intentionally inconclusive, but she is intentionally inconclusive. I think
Speaker 1: she's intentionally sort of like it ends on this like
Speaker 1: unresolved like phrase. Um, oh my god, Doug hot Engineer
Speaker 1: Dog is saying in the chat, please don't use Bob
Speaker 1: Dylan misspelled, by the way, do you spell in the
Speaker 1: same sentence as t Swift, Doug? If you're real, no
Speaker 1: one asked you. If you're a real Freewheeland, you know,
Speaker 1: blonde on blonde bitch like me. I know my Bob Dylan,
Speaker 1: don't misspell the damn name. And also you wouldn't be
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be, so you wouldn't be so threatened, Doug,
Speaker 1: because you know you know who I bet doesn't mind
Speaker 1: the comparison, Bob Dylan herself. I'm closing this chat now,
Speaker 1: see you later, see you later. Done. We love Doug
Speaker 1: so much, don't we. We love done and we appreciate
Speaker 1: his perspective. And thank you Jam for sending me this
Speaker 1: pop filter um as a surprise shady gift. I really
Speaker 1: actually laughed at that. I had a good laugh at
Speaker 1: that one. Gonna have to apply the po filter and
Speaker 1: laugh on that one. Girl. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: shady thing. Everyone, No one is, No one is immune.
Speaker 1: No one is immune to a pop filter. Bitch. Hon,
Speaker 1: you make peas and ses and tease and you and you,
Speaker 1: you do the fricative sounds just like all of us.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, it's shade when the gift arrives without any notice,
Speaker 1: because it's like, high bitch, got you this without any
Speaker 1: heads up, and I'm there to left, assuming that I
Speaker 1: am popping my peas and teas and seas or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying the shade was in the surprise
Speaker 1: of the gift. Um peace is gorgeous, Um love peace love.
Speaker 1: They say loving is public, but I would die free
Speaker 1: in secret and butturing the lyric. But it's just do
Speaker 1: you think that William Bowery is Joe? I don't care.
Speaker 1: I love. I mean will the William Bowery of at
Speaker 1: all is very Taylor, let's say extremely Taylor. For her
Speaker 1: to create a name for someone that, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's obviously Joe, right, William Bowery. Didn't they meet in Bowery?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. What's what's Bowery in like in
Speaker 1: the New York area. Oh, and that's why she keeps
Speaker 1: talking about East Village dive bars. She's always been obsessed
Speaker 1: with the East Village dive bar of it all in
Speaker 1: relation to Joe. Yeah, she's been referencing dive bars since reputation.
Speaker 1: And You're like, when have you ever been in a
Speaker 1: dive bar. I think that she spent quite a bit
Speaker 1: of time there. She probably wasn't that dive bar. One.
Speaker 1: Let's say she was in like Death and Company one time,
Speaker 1: and now like it's like she just has imprinted on
Speaker 1: the idea of dive bars. This is like novel concept.
Speaker 1: I believe that her team is fearsome and talented enough
Speaker 1: to have it to execute her participating in a dive
Speaker 1: bar culture if she wanted to. I think they could
Speaker 1: have cleared things out, costumed her, et cetera, that she
Speaker 1: could go hang out with Joe Awen and dive bars
Speaker 1: in the East Village. Okay, God, I missed, I miss bars.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be one of those people. I mean
Speaker 1: me too. I mean it's just for me. It's it's
Speaker 1: coming in cycles. I'm like, oh no, like I'll be
Speaker 1: fine until the vaccine. And now I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would just want like a martini or like. And
Speaker 1: the thing is, I'm not talented. I'm making drinks either.
Speaker 1: Well that's not true. I'm actually pretty good. You you
Speaker 1: you make very good drinks. Okay, Peace, I love peace. Hoax. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about hoax. But I don't
Speaker 1: care about it. I do think Hoax is intentionally placed
Speaker 1: in a way that I don't. I don't give that credit,
Speaker 1: that same credit to the one being intentionally placed as
Speaker 1: the opener. Hoax is intentionally placed as a closer, as
Speaker 1: a way of like leaving it just like open ended
Speaker 1: sort of. Though I don't know. I think the book
Speaker 1: ends of the album are off, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it matters, because this album is such an achievement. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that it's really really incredible to see that
Speaker 1: she is so willing to explore new areas of herself
Speaker 1: as a songwriter, because it feels like the same girl,
Speaker 1: but feels like a more mature version and just like
Speaker 1: someone that's pushed it even further, who's already been giving
Speaker 1: us so much great stuff for a long time. And
Speaker 1: I think that it kind of makes Lover look even
Speaker 1: more foolish because one thing I think that um I
Speaker 1: hope that we have from her going forward is she
Speaker 1: doesn't need to answer to anyone, and she doesn't need
Speaker 1: to pretend to be anything. She doesn't need to stomp
Speaker 1: around uh in ally clothing. It's great that she wants
Speaker 1: to be an ally, but she she doesn't have to
Speaker 1: go necessarily go as far image wise, and I think
Speaker 1: that she has thought in the past, like it kind
Speaker 1: of feels like not authentic in a way the last
Speaker 1: album and like pretending, pretending to be best friends with
Speaker 1: like a carry a dab inport. You're like really like
Speaker 1: she I think, I think, I mean, she would cop
Speaker 1: to it all being sort of ornamental to the music,
Speaker 1: I think, And now there's just no there's no ornament
Speaker 1: to it beyond just like the William Bowery of at all,
Speaker 1: Like that's the the only tailor elements are the conversation
Speaker 1: around Betty and then the William Bowery of it all.
Speaker 1: I feel like Folklore is like also big up to
Speaker 1: her for releasing a fucking autumn ask album in the
Speaker 1: summer and taking us there and and truly taking us
Speaker 1: into sweater Weather vibe, truly sweater Weather Cardigan asked no
Speaker 1: rules in terms of tone here, but one thing I
Speaker 1: love is like this album feels like a whole meal,
Speaker 1: whereas like Lover feels like you ate a cupcake. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not full cupcakes were good.
Speaker 1: I mean, the cupcakes were good. But love, but Folklore
Speaker 1: is like we we just ate a warm stew red
Speaker 1: as red as a full meal to me, is a
Speaker 1: feast ed? Is fucking Thanksgiving dinner? Yes? And what's sushi?
Speaker 1: Sushi out on the town? You can have a conveyor
Speaker 1: belt bit And so for me, if I'm ranking the albums,
Speaker 1: now and reputation is honey, it's a fucking um. Reputation
Speaker 1: is like, let's let's say, why is this? This one's hard.
Speaker 1: Reputation is a is a is a glass of ice
Speaker 1: water and it says, wake up, bitch. And reputation is
Speaker 1: a cocktail. It's not a you know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's a filthy, filthy, dirty martini. Yeah, that's reputation. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna rank the albums right now? I feel
Speaker 1: we can. So my ranking of the albums are I'm
Speaker 1: a girl because I love Taylor Red, Reputation, folklore mm
Speaker 1: hmm speaking it's speak now to your list, fearless lover
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Okay, folklore is I'm as much as I
Speaker 1: love it, I don't know where to place it honestly
Speaker 1: in my ring. Well also it's too it's maybe two
Speaker 1: early friend well know, okay, but all this is mine ready,
Speaker 1: I'm a Red girl because Red came out. You know
Speaker 1: you love Red because you and I are the same
Speaker 1: sort of academic age where it came out the first
Speaker 1: year out of college, and that it helped me through
Speaker 1: some ship. You were feeling twenty two. I was feeling
Speaker 1: twenty two. I don't know about you. Red n folklore
Speaker 1: reputation speak now lover Taylor Swift? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no no no. Where does fearless? Hold On, hold On,
Speaker 1: hold on Feeless for me is six, which feels shocking.
Speaker 1: I know it's such a good album. Okay, it's let
Speaker 1: me just redo that it's Red nine folklore reputation speak now,
Speaker 1: fearless lover Taylor Swift. But can we say something like,
Speaker 1: let's give respect to Taylor Taylor this album, this title
Speaker 1: title of should Taylor slash Taylor? Yes, let's just and
Speaker 1: let's just give respect because this artist is capable of
Speaker 1: folklore and reputation. Chameleon, come on, it's like, you better
Speaker 1: give it up, you better give it up, you better
Speaker 1: give it up. Okay. I loved that discussion. Can we
Speaker 1: quickly um give quick rundowns of we don't have to
Speaker 1: do track by track, we don't have to do track
Speaker 1: by track on these, although I feel we, oh, we
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about him and Dixie Chicks
Speaker 1: now and then give them a little bit more attention
Speaker 1: to Chromatica. So I would love to talk about gas Ladder,
Speaker 1: which for me is like unbelievable start to finish, and
Speaker 1: I only I only don't love one song on it.
Speaker 1: And it's not even that I just liked the song out.
Speaker 1: It's March Marks and it's March March. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: think I love that the album is about one thing,
Speaker 1: and it's what happens the divorce. I love that. I
Speaker 1: love that it's about that. It's such a good divorce thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best divorced albums ever.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like March March felt like hashtag
Speaker 1: political stance, hashtag liberal girls, hashtag Dixie Chicks, you know,
Speaker 1: in a way, and we should say they are the chicks,
Speaker 1: the chicks um and I, which which rocks um. But
Speaker 1: for me, it's just that one song doesn't fit. It's
Speaker 1: not even that I don't like those, is that it
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. It's literally it's it's it's a literal distillation
Speaker 1: of the fact that they have been defined by a
Speaker 1: political stance in in in their career, um, which I think,
Speaker 1: which I think like them changing their name to the
Speaker 1: Chicks is awesome, Um because it's it's because because they
Speaker 1: can do that, because they have sort of earned earned
Speaker 1: quote unquote the ability to sort of adapt themselves politically
Speaker 1: to things, because they've been so like whiplashed in to
Speaker 1: these different places that they never expected. Yes, Dad, Yes, Dad.
Speaker 1: I think it's a phenomenal album. It's it's the folklore
Speaker 1: and I will say Women to Music Part three, wimpy,
Speaker 1: phenomenal driving albums. You gotta drive as Miss Patty Lapone did.
Speaker 1: Hi Jane, Hi Jane, She's so beautiful, She's a one,
Speaker 1: such a wonderful dog. Um. I love for her. I
Speaker 1: love Jane. Is Jane is having a cameo in the
Speaker 1: in the song she just licked the mic. She just
Speaker 1: licked the mic. Texas man Sleep at Night. Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like Sleep at Night is the bop of the
Speaker 1: year for me. I would nominated for a Record of
Speaker 1: the Year. I think the music video is amazing. UM
Speaker 1: love that them kind of doing their hoime thing in
Speaker 1: the music out in the music video. I and We're
Speaker 1: gonna have Justin Trancer on the show. I can't wait,
Speaker 1: miss Jeff and we're very excited for that. And he
Speaker 1: has not only done this album and done so any amazing,
Speaker 1: incredible songs and that's gonna be another music episode, so
Speaker 1: y'all can look forward to that one. And um, this
Speaker 1: is amazing work. I mean, guess later. That's a great song.
Speaker 1: When it came out, I was like, cool, Yeah, they're back.
Speaker 1: I love it this as a part of a whole
Speaker 1: love it. I mean, sleep at Night, Texas Man, I
Speaker 1: live for and I love that song, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's just I love it. You know,
Speaker 1: you know the Kelly Colxson song A Whole Lot of Woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like an improvement on that idea. I got it.
Speaker 1: Um or like the song heat by Kelly Clarkson, Yes,
Speaker 1: I love Yes, You're right, cousins. They feel like in
Speaker 1: the same musical family. I love Texas Man, love for
Speaker 1: her for. I think there's some hidden gems on this
Speaker 1: album that people are not talking about, such as Julianna
Speaker 1: calmed Down, Calm Down. Juliana Calm Down is great, but
Speaker 1: can I be honest, I was mentally preparing myself for like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this will be like my album for the next three weeks.
Speaker 1: And then Miss Taylor, Taylor, I should say, came in
Speaker 1: and just kind of disrupt did my timeline on gas Lighter,
Speaker 1: So I have to revisit Gaslighter, and I'm the opposite
Speaker 1: because Taylor came out. But I'm still listening to Gaslighter
Speaker 1: sonic companion to what you've been experiencing in the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, which is work, work, work, get up,
Speaker 1: get up, get up. It's way better. It fits into
Speaker 1: my life better right now. Um. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: love fl Flora and it will be there for me
Speaker 1: when I need it. Women in Music Part three, and
Speaker 1: then I just wanted to say one more thing, which
Speaker 1: is young Man beautiful, beautiful, beautiful album that thinks about
Speaker 1: the children mm hmmmm, which is a part of that.
Speaker 1: So this album really explores every aspect of that divorce.
Speaker 1: Of course, shout out to Tights on My Boat shut Out.
Speaker 1: This album is amazing, and we should say Natalie means
Speaker 1: this is one of the best singers because she is
Speaker 1: so connected in her vocal cords to her heart and
Speaker 1: her soul and she feel everything she's thinking and feeling,
Speaker 1: like almost like on par I know it's a you're
Speaker 1: like apples and orange comparison, but like I would say,
Speaker 1: like a Selene, like someone who can just emotionally deliver whatever.
Speaker 1: Yea whatever is like behind the lyric. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: Taylor is a bridge queen Natalie mains as a second
Speaker 1: verse monster. Yes, and all the ladies because they co
Speaker 1: write the songs and again they worked with amazing Marty
Speaker 1: miss miss Emily. Yes, and they too worked with Jack
Speaker 1: ganson Off obviously and in addition to Justin and so
Speaker 1: many other amazing people Gas Lighter, I love I love it,
Speaker 1: love it, love it, love it now the spiritual successors
Speaker 1: in a way to the chicks him you you you
Speaker 1: were kind of late to the party on Women Music
Speaker 1: Part three? Can I can I out? Can I out
Speaker 1: use that? Yeah? I mean I still don't have any
Speaker 1: vocabulary for it, to be honest with you, I'm just
Speaker 1: and I want to get I want to give its
Speaker 1: based on this podcast to be loved so you okay? Well, um,
Speaker 1: I just love that. Well. Hunter Harris wrote this piece,
Speaker 1: um this this this mini profile on them, um, just
Speaker 1: talking about how the process was different and they didn't
Speaker 1: frame it around like any one singular sonic quality. And
Speaker 1: I just think, I just think it like benefits from
Speaker 1: having all of these m hm, these these these, these
Speaker 1: these elements in it, and rostam that long leage like
Speaker 1: just producing a lot of these songs brilliant touch, I
Speaker 1: mean like him, like he's I think, like it's such
Speaker 1: a good like guiding hand for a lot of these
Speaker 1: kinds of albums. And it's funny. I I am of
Speaker 1: the belief that the best tracks on the album are
Speaker 1: the bonus tracks at this are the promotional singles leading
Speaker 1: up to this. So that's nine minute Hallelujah, Summer Girl,
Speaker 1: um and I love that. Summer Girl is about um
Speaker 1: uh Danielle's relationship with Ariel her her her partner. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's just a wonderful album.
Speaker 1: Another try Gasoline, Um, the Steps, my mom stands don't
Speaker 1: want To. I was playing I was playing the album
Speaker 1: in the car when I was back home with my parents.
Speaker 1: My mom loves don't want To. So my mom is
Speaker 1: ahime Girl for her, love that for her. Anyway, it's
Speaker 1: just a it's just a great it's and it's also
Speaker 1: such an l a album like they're literally in canters
Speaker 1: Deli on the cover. Um, and the album starts with
Speaker 1: attracting called Los Angeles. It's just like a It's a
Speaker 1: wonderful sort of transportive album that I think is just
Speaker 1: a flex on their songwriting songwriting abilities. Um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I just think it's phenomenal. It's great. Now a minute,
Speaker 1: you cannot deny I love now a minute. I just
Speaker 1: I I haven't. I just will be honest, like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's not occupied any of the space of time I've
Speaker 1: been listening to music because I think I've been listening
Speaker 1: to Chromatica so much and then guest later and now
Speaker 1: this it's just I I it's not snuck its way
Speaker 1: into my musical diet, which is on me, it's on you,
Speaker 1: it's on me readers. Didn't do my homework on this one.
Speaker 1: So far. What I what I feel to be the
Speaker 1: quintessential Quarantine album is not folklore. Actually, actually I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this from Anny. I'm gonna say, let's chat about
Speaker 1: from anica Ana. This is so much more my thing.
Speaker 1: Like I just I feel like I when I heard
Speaker 1: this and we played it through, I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: we are dancing. We're having fun, We're being stupid. We
Speaker 1: are on another planet, bitch. There is uh orchestral interludes. Yes,
Speaker 1: stand we are like. It's drama like, it is hard sounds.
Speaker 1: It's the god guy that we knew in love. We're
Speaker 1: introduced to and then we got to explore on Born
Speaker 1: this way it's her being um like the stars Born
Speaker 1: era is over, it's reminding you what she's all about.
Speaker 1: And to me, this album slaps the whole way through
Speaker 1: the Only my skip is replay replay I love and
Speaker 1: I don't even dislike it is. I'm just I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even skip it necessarily. It's just like it
Speaker 1: is a skip for me. But um, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess my skip is. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: never listening to the damn Interarly, it's not even two
Speaker 1: in to nine one one. To say what uh sign
Speaker 1: it from above is ridiculous. Yeah, but how dare you
Speaker 1: disrespect I'm not even disrespecting. I'm just like, this doesn't
Speaker 1: this doesn't count. You know, you're absolutely I'm I'm wearing
Speaker 1: I'm wearing what So it's okay? This this This is
Speaker 1: an example of Gaga trolling I think music, no big,
Speaker 1: it's being an alien. They're both being aliens. No, it's
Speaker 1: very why did you do that? It's very before I Cry,
Speaker 1: It's like before I cry. I mean, I think we
Speaker 1: don't talk about enough. The chorus on before I Cry
Speaker 1: from a Star was born being because I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, so stupid. Love it so funny and she
Speaker 1: knows how ridiculous it is. And melodramatic. One Thousand Doves,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a grower. I love One thousand Doves.
Speaker 1: Babylon is one of her best closures to Second to
Speaker 1: Edge of Glory. I would say this album, starting with
Speaker 1: CHROMATICA one, we are standing and then it goes into
Speaker 1: Alice and I'll be very real, and I'm saying this
Speaker 1: knowing that Justin is coming because he wrote with her.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know about the Alice in
Speaker 1: Wonderland Imagery because we've s we have we have done
Speaker 1: this before. But in terms of the house sound and
Speaker 1: the like, just this sound. I heard it being played outside.
Speaker 1: I was walking down the street and someone was blasting
Speaker 1: it and like I'm like, oh yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: great it's a great song. It's a great track. I mean,
Speaker 1: like the fact of the matter is, like I might
Speaker 1: object to the themes, but because just because I've seen
Speaker 1: them before, like most notably, like I always think of
Speaker 1: Gwen Stefani. Um. But that's not to say that you
Speaker 1: can't explore this just because it's territory or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I love the song ultimately, Like I think that again,
Speaker 1: it's a little weird to me that it's the first track.
Speaker 1: I kind of think stupid Love should be the first track,
Speaker 1: but um, but the song itself is great, and you
Speaker 1: are in another planet when you get there, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I mean, I love that the
Speaker 1: production on this album is like a weapon. I think
Speaker 1: she she is someone who has never fucked up the
Speaker 1: opener and I including on including Alison even chrammatical one,
Speaker 1: let's say, because it leads into it, but think about it,
Speaker 1: like just I Marry the Night, and then Diamond Hearts?
Speaker 1: Are you love the Diamond Heart? Diamond Heart? And then
Speaker 1: fucking Like and then Bad Romance obviously like she right,
Speaker 1: Bad Romans is the opener ound on Fame Monster, I believe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Applause is likely the last track
Speaker 1: on Our Pop, right, But that's the first track and
Speaker 1: it's got some problematic lyrics, but I mean fucking phenomenal song,
Speaker 1: like like crazy, weird, weird or something. And then on
Speaker 1: the Fame it's um just dance, So it's like bees
Speaker 1: like she has never fucked up the first track on
Speaker 1: any offerent albums. Let's just say that. Let's just also
Speaker 1: just notice, like see this is when we were talking
Speaker 1: about folklore. We were like, I love this song. It's
Speaker 1: really good. And what's what's chromatica We're like, this is
Speaker 1: and this is more of the space I like to
Speaker 1: be in. Not to say that that means one album
Speaker 1: is better than the other. This is just I prefer
Speaker 1: to be in the range of five to ten rather
Speaker 1: than one to five in terms of energy. Usually this
Speaker 1: is the space I prefer to be in. Like Stupid Love,
Speaker 1: I think is a fucking smash, like one of them
Speaker 1: lead singles. Yeah, we've we've talked about this song like
Speaker 1: I love the video and then rain on Me. I
Speaker 1: think it's a fucking iconic moment for culture. It's top
Speaker 1: moment of culture. It's made the list. Ariana kills it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and these remixes that are that have come out. Purple
Speaker 1: disco phenomenal. You gotta listen to it. Listen to this remix.
Speaker 1: So we've talked about these two songs that woman I
Speaker 1: love I'm Afraid Water be Free. I love what you see.
Speaker 1: This is the thing I mean, like those little things
Speaker 1: that I know that we would look at each other
Speaker 1: and be like be free, free, like stupid things like
Speaker 1: I just free woman is and everyone I always talked
Speaker 1: to is like a free woman. And I'm always saying, what,
Speaker 1: how could you hear I'm afraid water and not be
Speaker 1: like laughing your ass off and dancing at the same
Speaker 1: time a free Well may yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a free woman, like just so so so simple and
Speaker 1: kind of stupid, but it's it's it's it's gotta okay.
Speaker 1: And then having fun tonight, oh so fun. Um cromatic
Speaker 1: A two one icon iconically, I iconic. What's your favorite
Speaker 1: one that you've seen smashed up as a meme on Twitter?
Speaker 1: You know, you want to know something. I was over
Speaker 1: it pretty quickly, and I just like every single one
Speaker 1: made me laugh. I guess, I guess, like honestly, and
Speaker 1: I know this. I know this sounds basic, basic, quote unquote,
Speaker 1: but it's like um. The first, like the perfect nexus
Speaker 1: was the meme and um like statues of colonizer colonizers
Speaker 1: being torn down, Like it took my breath away, like
Speaker 1: people taking down a statue of a colonizer and and
Speaker 1: just being like, oh my god, Like that's fun. It's dramatic,
Speaker 1: and it's also like I know I'm being like this
Speaker 1: is like this meets the moment, but like I don't
Speaker 1: know that. That's kind of like as soon as I
Speaker 1: saw that, I was like, great, okay, cool, Like, no
Speaker 1: need to see like other ones, I'm gonna complete, No,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be trashed and say my favorite one
Speaker 1: wash it went over a Lisa A. Rnna being like
Speaker 1: we're people doing coke in your bathroom? Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: like Kyle Richards gasping and them all like And then
Speaker 1: another one was when Lisa Ranna through the glass Like
Speaker 1: I just love TRAUMATICA two into nine one one anything
Speaker 1: Lisa Arena, that's you. Yeah, it's some even it's not
Speaker 1: even Beverly Hill, it's at least Arena, I mean icon
Speaker 1: who was celebrated today actually in a Buzzfeld article saying
Speaker 1: that Lisa Arenna is one of the best Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: cast members because she acts as a producer while creating content. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's one of she's one of the best House times.
Speaker 1: I would say, I think that she is iconic housewife
Speaker 1: and iconic person. And of course I identify as Lisa Arena.
Speaker 1: Of course I love it's like I just I think
Speaker 1: it's so computer e and like Robot gat guy and
Speaker 1: I confessed, um plastic doll. We love love it, um
Speaker 1: soura candy obsessed. Even though, do you think it's too
Speaker 1: similar to Swish Wish? Oh, I didn't make that connection.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think the Swish Wish was also House.
Speaker 1: I mean they're just they're just inspired, drawing from the
Speaker 1: same source material in a way, like you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're both like inspired by that era of like Robin
Speaker 1: S like House, and I get a little angry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the Black Pink Girls, I love I love
Speaker 1: a K pop crossover Enigma, I love Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: Enigma replays. Yeah, what do you go? No, just just
Speaker 1: giving you pure like again, I'm gonna say it like House.
Speaker 1: It just it sounds like a Robin S song and
Speaker 1: like she's giving you vocals that are like um oh
Speaker 1: no um this is why I love Alice. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back to Alice because it sounds like Crystal Waters.
Speaker 1: It sounds like um gypsy Woman. It's just like it's
Speaker 1: just that and like it's it's just the DNA is
Speaker 1: like throughout the whole album of just like this specific
Speaker 1: sonic like take um replay we it's a skip. I
Speaker 1: just I don't love it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I love the second half of the album, but
Speaker 1: I just replayed. I was like the production on the
Speaker 1: chorus like like not not even like the actual lyrics,
Speaker 1: but it's like after she's saying the replayer replay and
Speaker 1: then there's like the oh, there's that warped vocal. It's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's good. CREMATICA three from I love Sign
Speaker 1: from Above. I think it's like the drag moment of
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And Elton John I saw one sign
Speaker 1: from Bob is gay baritone as stomping into the club.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, still got it it still Elton big
Speaker 1: fag um A thousand doves Listen, I love to make
Speaker 1: fun of a thousand. It a thousand enough, Uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, it's it's one of the only like it's
Speaker 1: it's one of, not the only, it's one of the
Speaker 1: most memorable hooks. I think, sure, sure, sure, um, and
Speaker 1: she's just screaming, I know. It's so it's camp, it's fun,
Speaker 1: it's it's silly, it's like classic Gaga. And then finally,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like black cheese som in fashion,
Speaker 1: like just like pure pure, like so like like the
Speaker 1: like heart of queer culture, like it's ballroom. It's like, so,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I love it. I love it. I
Speaker 1: love it so much. Babylon. That's dossip is such a
Speaker 1: fun like that's gossip. It's so it's such a like
Speaker 1: a fun turn of phrase to throw in, and like
Speaker 1: it's just a way to identify the song of media.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's really, it's Pefrid Rodgers always does
Speaker 1: that in the middle of anyone's sentence. Who gossip. It's
Speaker 1: very funny every time. Time. Future guests, because you all
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Speaker 1: shopping for I'm not I'm just window shopping. At this point,
Speaker 1: I can't even girl, you know who to contact to
Speaker 1: get back on Miss Rogers herself. No, I talked to
Speaker 1: some lovely person named Oliver Um and had to take
Speaker 1: a photo of me with a piece of paper that
Speaker 1: said some like that had my email address on it,
Speaker 1: so you know Oliver has anyway, anyway, I I do.
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Speaker 1: please listen to Miss Monique cart, Miss Chester Lockhart, Miss
Speaker 1: j Jordan's and Miss Patrick Rogers, and we hope to
Speaker 1: have several of them on the podcast. Chester Chester is
Speaker 1: an icon. They're all icon. They're all Monique obviously an icon.
Speaker 1: J Jordan, we love Jay Jordan. We've been meaning to
Speaker 1: have on the podcast for ages. We love them. And
Speaker 1: we have to have my sister Patrick because it has
Speaker 1: we have to represent the House. I really want everyone
Speaker 1: to meet the House once. And I'm warning you guys
Speaker 1: like I would hear Matt and Patrick before I met Patrick,
Speaker 1: would here Matt use this term, throw around, this term
Speaker 1: the like house house, house h A U S And
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, what's going on there? And then
Speaker 1: when you meet, when you see Matt and Patrick together,
Speaker 1: you go, that's house. That's the very house. There's a
Speaker 1: house energy. Its house energy, and you know it's really beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say I'll save it for the episode
Speaker 1: when Patrick comes on, but I will preview my sentiment
Speaker 1: by saying, like, seeing you too, um be together was
Speaker 1: just like, okay, I can let macco. You know what
Speaker 1: you are sild that's that's that is not the way
Speaker 1: you felt. That is the way I felt tonight, and
Speaker 1: I felt you just fell. Though I would be taken
Speaker 1: care of in Los Angeles, you didn't feel letting me
Speaker 1: go stupid well, I mean, and you will never let
Speaker 1: me go. Those our companion thoughts and sentiments. You know,
Speaker 1: I will never let you go. If you let me go,
Speaker 1: I'll be really upset. I'll be really upset too. Should
Speaker 1: we move on? And I don't think so, honey, I
Speaker 1: think so. I think really upset me and Matt just
Speaker 1: wrapped on hot Dog and he is wearing his gorgeous
Speaker 1: robe with his name embroidered on it. I've never gotten
Speaker 1: to wrap gifts like that, by the way, And slippers
Speaker 1: that with dogs heads as the slippers. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so comfy. That is the north That's the biggest
Speaker 1: slip right seed in my life. Well, you know Jane
Speaker 1: was fighting with the shoes. Oh Jane thought it was
Speaker 1: a dog. She thought, So I'm thinking about getting a dog.
Speaker 1: Is my announcement. I think you should get a dog. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty much time you have to energy,
Speaker 1: especially now that we're in the car, and I'm feeling
Speaker 1: like if I was going to get one, now would
Speaker 1: be a good time. Although you know, I was talking
Speaker 1: to Jess about this was the head judge on the show,
Speaker 1: and I was like, is not a good time to
Speaker 1: adopt a dog? And because I was thinking, like, you
Speaker 1: don't want to adopt a dog and then have the
Speaker 1: dog think that you being around all the time is
Speaker 1: normal and not be able to socialize it correctly, because
Speaker 1: what I would hate to happen is for the dog
Speaker 1: to be confused when life restarts again and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I don't I don't. I don't want the
Speaker 1: dog to be anxious or have a complex that I'm
Speaker 1: leaving it. So would jest say She said that you
Speaker 1: can that she agrees with that, but it's it is
Speaker 1: ultimately a good time because you do need to focus
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the beginning on training the dog. UM,
Speaker 1: because I do want to get a young dog. I
Speaker 1: think I'm obviously going to adopt ar rescue dog, young dog,
Speaker 1: rescue dog, beautiful, beautiful coat, good performer, good performer, UM,
Speaker 1: but producer of hopefully out poop in the house and
Speaker 1: UM young producer UM and Matt's Baby, Matt's baby. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a conversation were having with myself and
Speaker 1: those around me. But UM, you know, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff around you. Around you you do you
Speaker 1: account chair matters. I think it would take very good
Speaker 1: care of it. Yes, I think I would too. I
Speaker 1: think I would like one that is an energy match
Speaker 1: for me. And I did see one on an h
Speaker 1: A website where and I think it was actually a
Speaker 1: hint that I should get him because his name was
Speaker 1: Richard and I would name him Dicky. Dicky, you you
Speaker 1: with the dog named Dickie is not even on the nose.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just it's perfect. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Dicky just seems it's just silly and fun for me
Speaker 1: to have a dog named Dicky is on the nose.
Speaker 1: It's because of my huge wiener um anyway, thinking about it,
Speaker 1: thinking about it. But while I think about it, we
Speaker 1: should do I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: our one minute segment where we rail on something in
Speaker 1: the culture for one minute. As I've said, Matt, you
Speaker 1: have something you had alluded to something earlier. I do. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Y'all
Speaker 1: needing tailor stuff to be gay and continuing this gay
Speaker 1: queer narrow please please stop, because if she were queer,
Speaker 1: I know we would know it because she would have
Speaker 1: been unable to withhold it in her lyricism. And actually
Speaker 1: you're saying that tailor shift is queer and like hiding
Speaker 1: it from us. You're insulting her. You are insulting and
Speaker 1: assaulting her honesty in her music. And I would never
Speaker 1: do that as a tailor fan. You assault her when
Speaker 1: you do this. And let me just say this, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, the whole tailor shift in Carli
Speaker 1: class narrative, because I don't think that she would date
Speaker 1: someone that was so I'm not even gonna call her anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I just don't think she would take
Speaker 1: Carli Class. I think that tailor stuff would date someone
Speaker 1: like I don't know, and not that color Class is
Speaker 1: an interesting but interesting second. I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: think that Taylor Swift. To say that she's a lesbian
Speaker 1: and queer baiting is like an album cycle Ago, catch up.
Speaker 1: The new thing we're saying about Taylor is that she
Speaker 1: cooks soups and laying and try psychedelics. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: assert a narrative about her, it's that she's a drug user.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, anything else. And that's one minute, okay,
Speaker 1: So that's so. If you're gonna assert anything about her,
Speaker 1: let it be that she's a drug user. That's a
Speaker 1: rule of culture number seven. If you're gonna us I think.
Speaker 1: I don't buy the Carly Class narrati. I don't buy it,
Speaker 1: never did. I don't ship them even I don't even
Speaker 1: care if they're um but so boring. I think that
Speaker 1: she is still queering her music, even though she's not
Speaker 1: herself gay. She is definitely looking like a little Lesbian.
Speaker 1: In the Spotify videos that played during the song, she
Speaker 1: definitely is wearing her hair in a way that I
Speaker 1: would describe as questioning. I think she is just expanding
Speaker 1: her parameters of her gender expression, and that's and that's lovely.
Speaker 1: She's literally expressing her gender differently in Betty, Let's say. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I think that's different than than than expressing her
Speaker 1: queerness or queer bathing. I think it's I think it's artistic,
Speaker 1: and I think that she is being a storytelling in
Speaker 1: the purest form. I'm very facetiously being like she's a lesbian.
Speaker 1: She's a lesbian obviously, non she's not, and you know
Speaker 1: whatever that that's not for me to label and designate.
Speaker 1: But I think she is doing a fun queering of
Speaker 1: her songwriting. We need to have Jill on the show.
Speaker 1: We need to have Jill on the show, because we're
Speaker 1: gonna have We're gonna have Jill on Um. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that she is like she is like dipping her
Speaker 1: toe into like a different gender expression. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: into it into a like expanded gender expression, that's all,
Speaker 1: which is great. I just think once it gets caught
Speaker 1: up in a sensationalist narrative about whether or not she's queer.
Speaker 1: I I'm not with it. In the year of our
Speaker 1: Lord one, I don't think this should be as big
Speaker 1: of a deal. And I think that she'd be honest
Speaker 1: about it, because I think she's been honest about so
Speaker 1: much recently that why would she withhold that from us
Speaker 1: when she understands the um importance that her words and
Speaker 1: actions hold. Now you know what I mean. Sure, The
Speaker 1: way that people like Jill are writing about it on
Speaker 1: Vulture is in a very facetious Oh my god, No,
Speaker 1: Jill is not. Jill is being fun about it and
Speaker 1: being a sleuth about it is a lesbian sleuth. You,
Speaker 1: as always are being a sensationalist. And I've been saying
Speaker 1: this about you for years. You're a sensationalist, and you
Speaker 1: your aim is to make money. I believe that you
Speaker 1: are in this industry to make money off of the
Speaker 1: foibles of others. I think that's why you go to SNL,
Speaker 1: and that that's why you asked them to be on
Speaker 1: the show. And I think you asked them to show.
Speaker 1: You asked SNL if you could be on the show,
Speaker 1: and they said, because you wanted to go out there
Speaker 1: and portray money off the foibles of other people. You
Speaker 1: wanted to make money off the foibles of other people,
Speaker 1: and that is how SNL works. That is works. You
Speaker 1: asked them to be on. Yeah, with an agenda with
Speaker 1: you have a queer agenda. I have to say something.
Speaker 1: Boen Yang has a very queer agenda, which is crazy
Speaker 1: because he's white and straight. And I keep saying this,
Speaker 1: I don't know what your end game is, but I
Speaker 1: am it's um, It's just it's all subterfuge. I'm not
Speaker 1: who I seem. I never mean what I say, and
Speaker 1: that's true. Okay, look mirrors down down boots. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go this. Are you gonna You're gonna leave me in? No? Yes,
Speaker 1: this is bone Yang. I don't think so, honey. And
Speaker 1: his one minute starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers not saying a peep about Charlie X. The
Speaker 1: X is quarantine album. What I'm feeling now it is
Speaker 1: I think it beats out folklore as like a quarantine work.
Speaker 1: She wrote, produced, recorded that album in what like four
Speaker 1: weeks time, and and I think it's one of her
Speaker 1: best works. Oh my god, it is so phenomenal. The
Speaker 1: songwriting is so experimental. And she, she is, She is
Speaker 1: the one to watch. She is the future of pop.
Speaker 1: She is like expanding the parameters. I'll say that, I'll
Speaker 1: use that phrase again. And you have been silent on her?
Speaker 1: Have you seen her life? I have seen her live.
Speaker 1: Actually I don't think I have, but I keep going,
Speaker 1: keep going, stop it, don't I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Oh let me, let me, let me do a two parter.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many people who think that seeing
Speaker 1: an artist live grants that any sort of legitimacy and
Speaker 1: their standing, when obviously some of us are casual listeners
Speaker 1: and go see them even don't give a ship about
Speaker 1: when their quarantine album drops. I'm gonna give you some
Speaker 1: more a masterpiece. So I've seen, I have, I I
Speaker 1: stand plenty of artists, so I've never seen live, and
Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of artists live who I don't care
Speaker 1: for at all. And that's one minute. What do let
Speaker 1: me tell you something right now. I actually haven't heard
Speaker 1: the new Charlie ex and why not because I was
Speaker 1: depressed at the time, and so I are all of us.
Speaker 1: Everyone does depression differently stupid and you should know that,
Speaker 1: and you should know that. You should know it, and
Speaker 1: I will listen to it because I love Charlie. And
Speaker 1: what's ther whole thing about seeing her life? Because I
Speaker 1: have seen her life. I've actually paid the dollars to
Speaker 1: support the girl. And so you did you pay the dollars?
Speaker 1: Or did someone or someone like, hey, man, I have
Speaker 1: an extra ticket to Charlie. How foolish a question to
Speaker 1: ask on this? I think that's dad, That's actually what happened.
Speaker 1: What happened was it was actually bought for me, but
Speaker 1: I then mode the person who bought it. Okay, why
Speaker 1: you didn't actually, like, like go about the task of
Speaker 1: buying a ticket to see her show? Literally, I did
Speaker 1: spend here's how, here's how. No, No, because I didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't go after the tickets dropped and was like,
Speaker 1: I I was told there be a concert of Charlie
Speaker 1: xc X. What does that mean? Would you like to go?
Speaker 1: If that's not true? I've actually so thank you for
Speaker 1: reminding me. No, thank you for reminding me that I've
Speaker 1: seen her twice because I saw her and go westfest.
Speaker 1: We want to go see Troy performance festivals don't know
Speaker 1: it did because she was one of the top three
Speaker 1: reasons I went. I went for Troy, Kim and Charlie
Speaker 1: and also shut up so and I want to go
Speaker 1: see Charlie on her own tour, which Jared said, would
Speaker 1: you like to go? I said absolutely yes, and I
Speaker 1: then want him for the tickets, so yes, I did pay. Now,
Speaker 1: why haven't I listened to the new album because it
Speaker 1: wasn't released in like a major way. I didn't know
Speaker 1: about it, and at the time I was feeling depressed.
Speaker 1: And I feel that I will be given the space
Speaker 1: now to go listen to it and not deal with
Speaker 1: any grief from you. Miss Oh my god, you are
Speaker 1: tuning out like such huge cultures on the internet who
Speaker 1: like we're eating with abated breath for this album to drop.
Speaker 1: You have no idea to stand. Um, I the scale
Speaker 1: of that, and I am part of it. I just
Speaker 1: haven't listened to that one album. Sometimes you know how
Speaker 1: I am, You know who I am, You know I
Speaker 1: know how you are. I tell you this thing is
Speaker 1: really cool, you should check it out, and you say maybe,
Speaker 1: and you never know. It's not that, It's just that
Speaker 1: whenever I have a new album coming out, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I need time, Like, for example, why haven't
Speaker 1: you talked about DUA because that was like four or
Speaker 1: five months ago. No, you still haven't said anything. I
Speaker 1: have publicly talked about do on my own platforms. You
Speaker 1: have on your own platforms, Yes, on my own platforms.
Speaker 1: We are too independent people with our own independence in
Speaker 1: spheres of influence. I'm not hearing enough DOA. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not hearing enough. I'm not. This is the thing
Speaker 1: is that Ellen Pump didn't even really say it in
Speaker 1: that way that we you have like revisionist. Let her say,
Speaker 1: I'm not She'm not seeing enough color. This is the
Speaker 1: way she said it, and I'm not seeing enough color.
Speaker 1: But we have like twitters and we made it into
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing in this color, which I which I
Speaker 1: wish is how she said it, which I wish is
Speaker 1: how she said it. The jury is out on how
Speaker 1: she said it. No one can ever know, and we
Speaker 1: can never know. You have about quickly talk about this
Speaker 1: being a music episode the smash Holiday by Little Mix.
Speaker 1: I mean, you all out there, readers, it's actually really
Speaker 1: important that you don't sleep on Little Mix. You don't
Speaker 1: sleep on Little Mix and can I give a shout
Speaker 1: out to ho Why is you here? By Flow Millie
Speaker 1: the twenty year old nineteen year old at the time
Speaker 1: of recording vonder Kind. There are some There's a track
Speaker 1: called Pussycat Doll Matt you have to listen to it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're gonna let it. She's like giving
Speaker 1: you full on. I think an amazing mixtape anyway, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: another song that I still gets lost in the conversation
Speaker 1: is reacted by the Pussycat Dolls who are And I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a fucking track and a half and
Speaker 1: Patrol is serving on it and the video is you
Speaker 1: can't believe how they look. I haven't seen the video.
Speaker 1: I will check. Oh my god, Bowen it is a
Speaker 1: vagina to the sky. It's crazy so um that and also, oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's one more. There's one more that
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss. Fuck fuck uh, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff. Oh, Chloe and Halle we gotta level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're slaying, and you know what we're getting very soon?
Speaker 1: Black is King. Black is King. This Friday even we're
Speaker 1: talking about an album of the year that could be
Speaker 1: entirely women and we love that chromatica folklore probably the
Speaker 1: front runner. No, but let me watch they'll give it
Speaker 1: to chain smokers who are canceled now by the way
Speaker 1: after their certainly will not give it to chain smokers
Speaker 1: now I'm kidding. Um, and any other little culture that
Speaker 1: you want to touch on, know, I mean, I was
Speaker 1: excited that this is gonna be music focused when I think,
Speaker 1: I mean music is kind of the the thing that
Speaker 1: I think we're all sort of enjoying collectively on the
Speaker 1: same level. Uh we in the Royal we let's give
Speaker 1: it up to Will Ferrell, our daddy, for charting charting
Speaker 1: with the song who'sa Vic from Eurovision the film something
Speaker 1: that was successful ye on Netflix. We Love We Love
Speaker 1: you Will Ferrell. Check them out if you haven't already. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the culture I want to talk about. Well,
Speaker 1: we love this episode of music and um, you know,
Speaker 1: I thank you. I think you're going on a musical journey.
Speaker 1: I see where you are on the East Coast. It's
Speaker 1: sort of getting a little darker, a little bit dark darker,
Speaker 1: a little bit darker, and here you know, it's merely five.
Speaker 1: I I hope you are enjoying your time of rest.
Speaker 1: You've you've, you've, You've been through a lot of uh
Speaker 1: strain and work, and I'm so excited to see this project.
Speaker 1: I look for it. I think it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: I can wait and you can be looking for that one.
Speaker 1: And to quote say Winfield from the Real House Eves
Speaker 1: of Atlanta More September, more, September more, September more, Summer
Speaker 1: more September, Joggers Joggers more September. I watched there was
Speaker 1: a thread on Twitter which was um the best like
Speaker 1: single Real Houses of Atlanta lines and who don't check
Speaker 1: is never never ever gonna be lost? I love um
Speaker 1: Kenya going It's time to die, It's time to die.
Speaker 1: Also the iconic is the iconic needed close your legs
Speaker 1: to marry trash bag? Who said that? Who said that?
Speaker 1: Who said that? Also who said that? I mean iconic, iconic,
Speaker 1: all iconic. And also them explaining to Porsche that the
Speaker 1: underground railroad was not a real railroad. When we let's
Speaker 1: shout out miss Derek. But we're gonna talk about Grace
Speaker 1: in a couple episodes or maybe the next episode. But
Speaker 1: m let's shout out Derek Barry for wearing a shirt
Speaker 1: in the finale that said nobody died, nobody was killed.
Speaker 1: No one was killed, nobody was killed. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: she's an iconic We love Derek and I guess yeah.
Speaker 1: On the next episode, which you'll have to tune in
Speaker 1: to wind out what it is, we will UM. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's alluding to the fact that it's going
Speaker 1: to be one of the queens. It's not gonna be
Speaker 1: one of the queens. However, we are having one of
Speaker 1: the queens on, one of the iconic queens, one of
Speaker 1: the winners of drag Race is going to be on.
Speaker 1: UM won't spoil it, but they're coming and we're so excited,
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll talk more about drag Race in the
Speaker 1: next episode and probably the one after. UM, so lots
Speaker 1: of talk about that. And in the meantime, we're celebrating
Speaker 1: shak whole and also giving big ups to Juju b
Speaker 1: and Mr christ as well. They were amazing. That was
Speaker 1: great and they were there, incredible queens. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: she deserved that one all the way. And as we
Speaker 1: always do, will close out with the song I can
Speaker 1: see do you know the words? In time? And you
Speaker 1: never mind He's twisted it Oh, it's such a beautiful son.
Speaker 1: It's really good. Hey, if you have an stream folklore
Speaker 1: by Taylor Swift, we get a cut of the stream dollars.
Speaker 1: Just kidding, we don't, I wish we did. And also
Speaker 1: just an announcement, I'm not releasing a folklore album, so
Speaker 1: don't stop asking it for it. I was released, I
Speaker 1: released the Love. Can't make fun of folklore. It's not
Speaker 1: there's no hook for the next one, for the next
Speaker 1: album in like three years. I almost did one that
Speaker 1: was like no one knows this, but she actually did
Speaker 1: a folklore she was She started recording this folklore in
Speaker 1: in May, but she also recorded an entire album in February.
Speaker 1: In March and April when Quarantine first started. Here is
Speaker 1: that album. I almost did that. That's really good, and
Speaker 1: it was just going to be well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll still do it. You should still do it.
Speaker 1: And then now that you've said that, the fans will,
Speaker 1: the readers will score. So okay, now for real, let's
Speaker 1: close out with this song. Okay, um, he said it's good.
Speaker 1: Drave at us wait, wait for hell hell, Now this
Speaker 1: is getting good. Listen to the rest of that. You
Speaker 1: listen to night to maybe nine might for the track
Speaker 1: is wow is Jeeves