WEBVTT - Case Interview 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:07.880 The real people, real celebrity joined the Breakfast Morning. Everybody 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.000 is DJ Envy angela ye, Charlemagne the guy. We are 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.840 the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building, 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.279 Case Case walks in here incins ANGELI, thank you for 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:23.239 last night. Thank you nice damn touch me? Tease me? 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.120 Whoa Okay, don't be jealous, guys, what happened last night? 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.840 He Actually I was at Case was performing. He has 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:40.440 an album now right now thing, Okay, she's hosting What's 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:46.000 Wrong with You? It's like your sixth studio album, right fifth? Okay, okay, okay. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:47.680 You know, do you feel like you even got to 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.120 make new music? Because Tyres said his next album is 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:51.640 gonna be his last album because he feels like his 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:57.040 catalog is enough. That's what's up. I mean, if that's 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:58.640 how you feel. I mean, I make music because I 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.960 enjoy it. But I mean that I didn't hear that one. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.520 That's that's all right, he said, that's all right. Yeah. Now, 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.440 you started off in a group that you've been solo 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.360 ever since, right, would you ever consider doing something like, 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.720 you know, trying to do a supergroup. Actually, it was 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.240 something that I was supposed to do. Like that, but 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.360 it wasn't gonna be like a TGT type of thing. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.440 It's gonna be like rock music. Oh really, Yeah, we 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.280 just never got his neighbor, never able to get off 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.480 the ground yet, but we was working on it a 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.559 love rock, love rock. Was it people that we would 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.480 know that you were planning to him? Yeah? It was 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.600 me um Nokio from Drew Hill, and we was trying 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.480 to figure out who else, but we couldn't find nobody 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.400 that wasn't that was gonna fit, that was like minded. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.280 And yeah, it was always something wrong with him, like 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.080 some got to be wrong with got wrong with somebody 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.160 and that's okay, but we it just it got a 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.200 mesh on some level and then we could deal with 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.600 the nonsense later. It never really meshed. So well, it's 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.080 been so was this in this course of time? It's 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.520 been five years since you about your last album? Was 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.760 it during that time or before that? Man, We've been 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.120 talking about this forever and doing it like we'd do 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.640 a song here song man. So I mean it's been 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.959 going on for the longest. Still a possibility maybe since 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.200 you had some Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's definitely 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.079 a possibility. You think they'll accept you as that dough 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.760 because they know you as the R and B guy. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.680 Happily ever After, you know, touch Me Tease Me. You 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.919 think they'll accept the rest. I mean they may or 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.120 they may not, but it's something that that I enjoy 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.160 and like, I mean, at least I can say I 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:29.280 did it. You know what I'm saying. It'd be a 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.160 challenge for me. But how much money you think you've 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.359 made off touch Me Tease Me and Happily ever After? Man, 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.960 those are two records that you probably could sustaining forever. Yeah, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.280 because everybody went, yeah, yeah, everybody want to hear that 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.480 they wedding it, touched Me Tease Me. Yeah, they still 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.600 play that like it just came out. I'm with that though. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.200 Now I just got to get it to the point 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.119 where where I could stop because my catalog from Nose 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.520 is enough. I gotta get to that. So you gotta 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:59.200 get on your job. Was saying though, because it's like 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.000 people wanted to hear the classics. You go out there, 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.760 it's like new music may or may not be received well, 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:08.079 but classics are always gonna be classics. Yeah, I mean, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.560 what's wrong? I got classics? But I'm still doing new music. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:15.280 I mean, that's that's a defeatist mentality that that kind 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.120 of sounds like giving up. Yeah, I can see why 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.440 you would say that, Like, yeah, I'm like, make new 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:21.800 music if that's what you know what I'm saying, that's 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.200 what you enjoying. If you don't enjoy doing it anymore, 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.119 then I can see. But the way you said, I'm like, yeah, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:33.360 my catalog is enough, Like that's I'm like, wow, peasants, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.800 That's that's how That's how I take it. He said. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.400 He goes still do group stuff though he said, here's 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.000 no more solo albums. Here's my thing. Stevie Wonders catalog 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.480 is enough, but he put out a new album a 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.440 couple of years ago. True, because that's that's what you 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:46.960 like to do it because you love it. I don't 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.240 think most people probably could do R and B music 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:54.480 and be successful at it if they don't love it. Right, 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.120 And he's been doing stuff forever, like I mean his catalog, 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.280 I would say, his catalog is enough. But you've been 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.760 in the game for twenty years almost, right, Yeah, and 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.520 a lot has changed from when you first came out 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.400 until now, especially with social media and all of that. Stuff. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.720 I'm glad that you had a lot of drama back 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.520 in the day. I had a lot of fun and 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.320 you had a lot of fun, okay, And all I 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.560 had to worry about was Wendy's cameras everywhere. I'm looking 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.479 for the next shot. You actually shot yourself in the 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.960 next one time? Right? Yeah? Yeah, that wasn't fun. How 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.839 do you do that? That wasn't fun. That wasn't fun. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.560 I am be real. I was drunk and I was 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.400 moving the gun and it had a hair trigger and 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.800 it went off. Yeah, and it went in right there. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.960 It came out the back. You are so lucky, boy. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.760 That ain't luck. That's blessed. Now. I was in Atlanta, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.080 Now that's blessed. That ain't luck. Ain't no luck about that. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.760 How would you move? You holding the gun like this? 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.120 Like what you? I'm like this And I picked it 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.000 up and I'm sitting on the bed. I picked it 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.080 up off the thing and it went off. Damn bang? 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:52.840 What was you moving it to? Just to put it up? 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.840 Some one y'all put it in the closet. Oh didn't 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.000 Maybe the stir said the kids were around, but they 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.200 were coming right and to make sure they didn't you know. Yeah, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:05.159 so you were being safe still but kind of yeah 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.280 yeah yeah, no, No, I had the best intentions. I 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.760 don't know how I saved out. I had the best 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:14.560 intentions though. Who called the my girl at the time, Yeah, 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.440 she was the people thought you tried to kill yourself. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.120 I heard one person. No, let me tell you the 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.280 crazy point. Everybody thought, my girl shot me, like my 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.040 moms flew down there. I'm like, mom, cool, yeah, I'm 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.680 at the airport like everybody, and everybody's looking at her 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.320 up and down like they never got past that. Wow. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.600 To make sure you can still sing? Because yeah, when 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.640 I came to I got up and I went because 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.120 I didn't know where it hit me. I looked in 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.120 the mirror and I tried to sing because I'm like, yeah, 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.480 you mean immediately after you got shot. I mean what 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.120 I mean when I when I first got up, yeah, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.160 I wanted to see where it hit me. And then 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.760 when I saw I'm like, oh hell no. So I 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.360 tried to sing, like, not like full out like a song, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.239 but I just wanted to see could I talk but sing? 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.440 And then I was like, cool, I could sing. I'm good. Yeah, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.359 I'm good because if I can't sing. We might have 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.560 to finish that off. Now you're gonna hand your girl 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:14.200 the gun and say, yeah, yeah, I don't ask you 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:15.600 to do a lot, but I need you to do 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.360 something for me right now. So it wasn't It wasn't 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.280 like nowhere near being fatal. Then it could have been, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.520 but it missed everything. Yeah, they said like a couple 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.120 of millimeters, and yeah it could have been other than 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:28.640 that that you was pretty clean. I mean I never 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.080 heard anything about you. I mean you had you had 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:34.719 a nice little roster of chicks allegedly. Well, I see, 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.240 that's why I'm saying I'm glad social media wasn't around. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:38.960 All I had to worry about was Wendy and me. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.920 And Wendy was cool. She would call me and be like, look, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.440 I got a stack of stuff about tracks facts because yeah, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.880 she would get the facts and she would given to me. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.120 I read them. She'd be like, I'm just telling you, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.880 I'm not gonna blow you up Williams talking about Okay, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.800 why would she like you so much not to do that? 0:06:55.040 --> 0:07:02.800 I'm likable? Oh no, no, not like that. But then too, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:08.120 you know what I forgot, um, I was I went 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.640 to I was in like third grade with Wendy's husband 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.000 and when he proposed to her, I sang. He was like, Yo, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:16.920 I'm just start singing. I'm a proposed to her. So 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.840 maybe that was why. I don't know. Yeah, I grew 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.560 up in Brooklyn and then I moved to my under 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.800 when I was a teenager, so maybe that was it. Okay, yeah, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.880 that's your messing with her husband. Y'all was cool. You 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.760 sang for them. She can't let you, yeah, and I'm 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.560 with that. I was with that. I'm like that, She's like, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.720 I'm just calling to let you know that you need 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.560 to move a little different. And I mean they were 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.080 straight snatching, yeah, because people were saying you was dead 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.040 and Beyonce, I know you've denied that, but she was 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.080 in the video. Happily anybody in the video they say 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.600 you're dating. Did you ever notice that anybody or anybody 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.320 you do a song with. I never knowed anytime, but 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.840 anytime the girl is in the video, oh yeah, they 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.960 go together like I guess you're supposed to have that 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.960 type of chemistry though, that's the point of doing a video, 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.560 so it looks real, like you know, yeah, but they 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.760 just go all away with it. Did you pick her 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.000 for it? Because they wanted? Um there was like different 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.040 video chicks that was out of the time, and I 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.920 was like, they was in too much stuff. I wanted 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:15.120 somebody knew, So I was like, that's who I want 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.760 the no no no no no videos. And a matter 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.640 of fact, I was in his office. I'm like, yeah, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.520 right there, yeah, so yeah, yeah yeah. Did did you 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.280 know that you could look at her until it? She's 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.520 gonna be your superstar? Yeah? Man? If not she was. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.800 I knew she was gonna be in that video. I 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.240 knew that. I knew that. I was still up Kevin 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.440 Lao's death, like this is happening. He was like you sure, yes, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.480 I'm sure. There was resistance. Yeah he wanted. Yeah, they wanted, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:48.839 Like who wanted? I don't even Nia Long would have 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.120 been bad And then there was Yeah. Then people were saying, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.720 like foolishness. I'm like, nab, you couldn't lose either way 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.959 with nia Long or Beyonce though, But at that time, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.240 I think nia Long was in something else and that's 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.800 why I didn't want to do it. Okay, she was 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.920 in somebody else's video, I think, and I didn't want 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.240 to be that guy. So I'm like, I need to 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.760 do something different. And Foxy Brownie said she did that 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.080 feature for free because she was begging her up, touch me, 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:17.760 tease me. Just throwed him against them all and see 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:23.000 if it sticks. Now that I've never heard, but I 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.400 would like to categorically did not that one? Which one 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.040 that she did the feature for free? That I smaster? Okay? Category? 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.679 Yeah she was young too, she was young. Yeah, she's 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.640 a little under age. I don't know. Let me look 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.000 at the legal age. I can say when you shoot 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:43.400 the video at look, there was witnesses, there was Ratner 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.200 shot that video. Yeah. What about Mary J. Blige? What 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:51.200 about her? Say y'all dated? That was allegedly said that 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.760 was straight you guys dated? And they said you said 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.440 she was abusive towards you. I didn't say, she na, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.200 that's not what I said. That's not what I said. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.920 I felt bad. Nah, that wasn't what I said. Let 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.160 me tell you, Let me tell you what happened. This 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.480 is this is how people twist stuff up. So I'm 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.640 doing an interview with this dude, right, and he was like, UM, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:09.720 I have to ask you about these rumors. So he 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.800 was saying different stuff He's like, and what about the 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.520 rumor that you used to beat up marry I'm like, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.720 I ain't never beat up no girls. Like if anything 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:17.960 I said got scars from her throwing stuff and hitting me, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.440 That's what I said. And they took that little thing 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.880 and turned into the case said he was abuse. Really 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.800 I mean, but that's not how they said it. Though. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.240 He was like, hey, Casey said he was battert it. No, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.640 it was it was in passing. I'm like, yo, what 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.360 did you do it? Whatever was there? Whatever was there 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:41.000 was mad at you for it? Though? Were you cheating 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.960 or she didn't trust me? Hell? Yeah, no cheating? Yeah? 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:47.280 What could she be mad at you for? What would 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.280 what would make a woman want to throw something at you? 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.160 You write a song called Happily Ever After, don't live 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.640 and then live up to that. We were talking about 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.040 that last night. That video caused me so much headaches 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.880 because then like, well you should be more romantic. Yeah, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.120 he's supposed to want to marry. Yeah, but that was 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.199 kind of over the top. So now even though I did, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.280 I did do that one time for somebody's birthday? Did 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.360 the flowers? Never did it again? Though? You never did 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.120 the Flowers again, you only see the girl flowers once. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.120 You know, I'm saying I did the flowers like happily. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.000 it's just too much. That is a lot of pressure. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:24.959 Always ask there's a lot of pressures, like yo, y'all 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.440 have because y'all Sidney sexy songs. Y'all gotta live up 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.360 to that. Man. Well, you don't got to, but they try, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.600 they try to make you. They put the pressure on. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.719 What's what's the most of a different Valentine's Day for 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.320 a young lady where you felt like, boy, I am 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.480 really case oh this one. This used to be my thing. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:42.599 He used to be like you sure you're doing it 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.760 for the right reason. Yeah. Like, my girl was in La, 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.280 so I had her friends have her somewhere at a 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.640 certain time. So she actually she was watching me on 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.520 one or six in part because you know, the taped 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.920 the day before. And then I walked in and walked 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.640 up behind her. So she started crying stuff because that's 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.640 what girls do. Your daughter was live, yeah, ok, yeah, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.320 but she had no idea I was coming to La. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.520 So then I came walked up behind her. So I 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.080 was like, well, I'm about to go to the hotel. 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.760 So we got to the hotel, had like some champagne. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.120 It was like a diamond bracelet in the bathroom. It 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.640 was a diamond necklace under the pillow. It was Yeah, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.679 that was funny. That was a hell of a night. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.000 It was wifey, you married him now because everybody thought 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:28.439 she shot me. That's not why. Now we broke it 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.680 for other reasons. But that didn't help. That didn't help. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.040 My mom is looking at her crazy ever since. Yeah. Now, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 but sounds like faded pictures, missing you, not your friend? 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.240 Did you write all of those? Um? Joe wrote missing 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.200 you and faded pictures? Umho. Timmy Bob wrote not your friend? 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.360 But you wrote for other artists also, Yeah, and I 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.400 wrote I wrote almost all the songs that I've recorded. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:52.880 Can you make a lot of money when those who 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.920 wrote your records like that? Yeah, I mean you can. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.760 You can. You can make it on shows and stuff 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.760 like that. But most of the stuff that I've had 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.679 him albums, I've written A co wrote, I mean co written, Wow, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.600 that was that was different, co wrote, co written. Ain'tven 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:11.319 asleep yet? Um, you're an abused man. We understand me 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:16.960 talking about get us all whooped you? Jojo been your 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.080 manager for what the whole time? Right? Na na um, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.760 me and Jojo just got back together on that on 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.880 that type of thing about what like summertime. But we've 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.959 been like best friends for like twenty five years. Yeah, 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.880 you know all albums we did together. So I remember 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.680 reading in two thousand and eleven you were working on 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.760 this album. So it took you quite some time to 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.440 get it done. Are you smoking it here? No, that's 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.840 not smoke. He just pulled out it. Yeah, that would 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.080 have been a real rocket roll just like you know 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.120 Snoop did that? Is all right? And just by it 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.920 up absolutely, that's but yeah, so what so it took 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.280 you a long time to kind of get this done? 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.199 How many songs did you do? And what was the delay? Um, 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.559 it wasn't really a delay. Actually there was um a 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.640 different producer that we had that was and he did 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.040 like was seven songs, So we wasted a whole bunch 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.720 of time. Did he turn out to be a lady? So? 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.559 I bet yeah he was a lady operation Yeah? No, no, no, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.840 he might as well though he just fee yeah yeah, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.160 yeah he's a bitch. That's one way to say it. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:26.840 I prefer a lady, Okay, somebody people know, Yeah, just 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:36.840 a guy. Nothing if you're a lady. So none did. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.160 He did like seven eight songs on the album, and 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.520 then once that fell out, I was like, I, well, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.120 I start over. So we went started over. The din't 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.440 the paperwork wasn't right or he was making it's not 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.760 even that good. It's not even that good. He tried 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.400 to leverage the songs to get a different situation that 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.520 had nothing to do with me resolved. He basically tried 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.080 to strong on me. He tried to call my bluff 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.280 and I don't play that game. I'm like a game 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.840 the finger. Later, does he have any hit tons? Really? Yeah? 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.400 I did to figure out who? He said, what's one 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:10.000 of them? He said, what's one of them? But yeah, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.480 so um we went through that and nah, he's not 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:20.680 relevant anymore. Nah, I'm about the Google. I've no he 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:26.440 was googling the whole time, producer. But no, it was 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.040 it was. It just took a while. We did about 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.080 maybe thirty songs something like that. Who do you listen to? Now? 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.200 Only thing I listen while right now I'm listening to Kendrick. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.560 But other than that, I listened Unless there's something like 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.400 that that comes out. I listened to all old music. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.400 I listened to all motown, Marvin Gay, Stevie, one of 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.360 the Michael Jackson, David Ruffin Temptations, all that stuff. That's like, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.280 none of the O G R and B cats respect 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.120 what's going on in R and B right now. I 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.760 respect it to an extent, but I think that it 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.080 needs to be balanced, Like we can't always be in 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.600 the club. Every song can't be about trying to take 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.040 these two strippers out the club to the because I mean, 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.680 we all that's fine, but most of my life happens 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.160 outside the club, and I think it's other things that 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.200 we that we could sing about, it we could talk about, 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.120 and that's that's my only thing with is that there 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:14.640 needs to be some balance, Like it can't be that 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.440 all the time. What do you what do you think 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:24.960 it is? You think that ladies aren't the same anymore? Na? 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:26.880 That could be a little bit of it. But what 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.520 I really think is that when hip hop and R 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.920 and B got together, that somewhere along the lines of 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.840 that R and B lusts identity and became more hip 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:39.000 hop than R and B. And that's yeah, yeah, hip 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.760 hop maintained this identity and but R and B didn't. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.520 It kind of merged into it and now it's some 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.960 mutant offspring. Now. I was reading an article about why 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.120 marriages don't work today anymore like they used to, and 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.560 a lot of what they said in the article was 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.920 a lot of it has to do with social media. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.080 We're distracted. We go to bed, we're not in bed alone. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.480 We're in bed with our phone, paying attention to other things, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.360 looking at other people that have like bodies that we 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:06.199 don't have, and you know, pop yeah to those ideas, 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.120 and that's why a lot of people can't maintain marriages. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.320 And I had a conversation about that last night. Yeah. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.840 And it's sad too because a lot of the stuff 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.879 that you see on social media is fake. It's like 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.480 when you get member. People used to get like the 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.639 Nissan and put like a Ferrari kid on it. They 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.879 put the Bentley kid on the filor that's what they 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.879 doing with their bodies. You're still a Nissan, but you 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.280 got the kid on it, and now you're on Instagram. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.000 But like we were talking about that yesterday, it's kind 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.560 of sad. But I want to go back to the 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.840 hip hop arm and be thinking when you was Was 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:36.480 that a conscious decision you would make when you would 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.119 do records with hip hop artists like, yo, let me 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.359 maintain my R and bs, I'm not gonna sing about 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.840 shooting tonight or whatever. You know what. My thing is 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.000 that I always try to make music from an honest place, 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.440 and so that was never like if I'm sitting there 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.320 coming out with something that would never even cross my 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.000 mind this thing about that honestly. So that's why that's 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.200 why I never did. And I've had songs where people 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.520 was like, say, right, we had songs where it's like 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.359 some crazy tom foolery and I'm like, yeah, I'm not 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.199 saying that, like I'm not doing it. Like so if 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.360 people wrote for you up, yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.679 I'm like, Yo, did you hear like nav, I'm not 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.880 saying that it's the craziest thing that you just threw 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.000 off the table and get that out of the studio. Oh, 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:22.119 there's tons of them, um, the craziest Uh, I don't know, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.600 it's a ton of them. But it's like, uh, drip drop, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.080 drip drip drop. I've had worked way worse than that. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.720 Drip drop kind of I don't love it, but I 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.440 like it. When I first thought, I was like ah, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.639 but then it's like, can't get that? And then you 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:42.720 walking around the crib like drop. Yeah, but no, it's 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.919 a lot of times you get like some nonsense and 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:46.560 I don't even want to call it nonsense. But if 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.199 I don't, it's just not me. So I don't do 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.880 stuff that's that's not me. People can tell when you're faking. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.879 I grew up with Jehovah witness too. By the way, 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.280 Oh you know the pain and struggle. Did you really 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.000 like quit did Jehovah religion just to pursue us? Well? 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.040 I was quitting anyway, or did you get this fellowship? Now? 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:08.520 I never got baptized my man like my thing? Yeah 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.560 see my thing was day was like as long as 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.439 you in this house, well you know you're not going 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.440 to be doing that because that's worldly. So I was like, well, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:21.240 I'm out because I wasn't, couldn't. Here's the best part though, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.240 By the time touch me, tease me came out, none 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.000 of them getting win no more. And then they looking 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:32.119 at me at Christmas time like word birthdays. That's now 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.520 I don't nobody. Yeah, yeah, I'm like word now everybody 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.919 marry Christmas? What made you want to leave you just 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.720 because it was it was just too much? Ye like 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.639 it's it's just personally to me, it's like a cult. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.760 That's my personal opinion. Like anything any organization that alienates 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.040