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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points Commy Takeover edition.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Graham, great to see Sar.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you again.

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Speaker 3: How you doing doing good?

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Speaker 2: Lot to get into this morning. We've got the establishment

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Speaker 2: in full meltdown over the election results in New York City,

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Speaker 2: so you will you and I will watch that with

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Speaker 2: a lot of interest and some delight, a lot of

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Speaker 2: react to react to you there. We also have the

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Speaker 2: nyc DSA co chairs who are going to join us

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Speaker 2: to talk about these wins, what they need with their

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Speaker 2: plan are going forward. We've got a very bizarre situation

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Speaker 2: unfolding with Trump who is refusing to sign this bipartisan

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Speaker 2: housing affordability bill unless Republicans pass his election rigging bill

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Speaker 2: called the Save America Act, So he is literally holding

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Speaker 2: affordable housing hostage to his election rigging plots. So that's

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Speaker 2: an interesting one. There was also a really messy, weird situation,

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Speaker 2: a shouting match between Trump and Center Bill Cassidy, who

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Speaker 2: just lost his primary over a war powers resolutions regard

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Speaker 2: to Ron that actually did pass the Senate with Bill

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Speaker 3: Things have progressed since there.

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Speaker 2: I will not spoil the ending of how this is

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Speaker 2: all unfolding, but very weird situation. We also wanted to

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Speaker 2: dig into these truly outrageous sentences that have been held

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Speaker 2: handed down in a case of ice protesters down in Texas.

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Speaker 2: Our front piececo is going to join and give us

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Speaker 2: the full legal analysis of what each of these individuals did,

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Speaker 2: the sentences that have been handed down so far, and

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Speaker 2: why this is so extraordinarily different from the way these

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Speaker 2: types of cases have been handled previously. And we've got

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Speaker 2: Cory Doctor joining us. He's the author of intitification. He

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Speaker 2: has a lot of thoughts about how we should think

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Speaker 2: has a new book out called Reverse centaur Or that's

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Speaker 2: part of the title. Anyway, that was the part that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's going to be interesting people.

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Speaker 5: I think our audience is going to completely side with him,

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Speaker 2: Well, don't tell our audience who to side with yet,

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Speaker 2: we can make our case, right.

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Speaker 4: I think they're not going to be with us. But

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Speaker 4: that's okay, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of buildings down. This is in

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Speaker 2: Right. With that being said, let's go and transition to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start with an oldie, but a goodie here.

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Speaker 7: New York Times reported, and I have the quote right here.

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Speaker 7: I'll get to it. She is against passed off all

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Speaker 7: She has attacked interracial relationships in the American flag.

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Speaker 7: I ain't in the same party as you. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 7: I just not. And I actually do think it's time

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Speaker 2: He's ready for a divorce, he's ready to break up

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Speaker 3: You know what's money, Ryan is. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Carmel, Just what was that a week ago, two weeks

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Speaker 2: similar ideological views. I don't know if you've said all

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Speaker 2: the things that Darry Lisa has said, for example, with

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Speaker 2: Carvel's got no problem with him, So I do think

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Speaker 2: there may be a little bit of bias that comes

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Speaker 2: We can put aad up on the screen former DNC chair.

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Speaker 2: This got a lot of attention, he says. I say

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Speaker 2: this with no ill will or animosity. If you hate

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, then please don't run for our nomination.

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Speaker 2: Don't use our resources, don't rely on our volunteers, don't

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Speaker 2: use our infrastructure, don't ask Democrats to invest their time,

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Speaker 2: money and energy in your campaign. Focus on building the

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Speaker 2: they're built by millions of people who knocked doors, make calls,

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Speaker 2: If you don't believe in the party, then don't ask

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Speaker 2: Like the most obvious response to this is, I think

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Speaker 3: But the other thing Ryan that.

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Speaker 2: how dare you? The reality is they just don't want

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Speaker 5: The phrase our volunteers and the phrase our time, energy

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Speaker 5: Now on the Carville point, it's interesting for I actually

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Speaker 5: It's like, look, we're going to declare bankruptcy on one

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Speaker 4: We're all moving on.

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Speaker 5: And I did an interview on Cargill's podcast several years ago.

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Speaker 5: People could probably go find it where I said to him, look,

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Speaker 4: It was you and your twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton campaign that really supercharged this because you didn't

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Speaker 5: you know, ending racism doesn't actually break up the big banks,

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Speaker 5: So if people followed you into that maze, you can't

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Speaker 10: Let's listen Brett Palestinian and No, there were pro home

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Speaker 10: An anti semi.

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Speaker 2: This city, Sarah, and she says that Daria Liza would

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Speaker 2: Well, guess what, Lots and lots of New York Jews

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I think New York ten where brad Lander

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Speaker 4: And an American president.

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Speaker 2: what about our own political leadership? Like what do you

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Speaker 2: have to say about Joe Biden? Who you you know,

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Speaker 2: he caped for longer than anyone, ohs the best version

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Speaker 2: of Joe Biden when you ever saw blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: It's just very notworthy in me, and I get very

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Speaker 2: to me. It's such a red flag when anyone tries

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Speaker 2: to pawn all of the destruction and carnage and anti

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Speaker 2: semitism too off on this one individual, who is democratically

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Speaker 2: elected and has been many multiple times, is not some fringe,

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Speaker 2: outlying character in Israeli society. Just go take a listen

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Speaker 2: to his quote unquote opponents to see how much daylight

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Speaker 2: there is between him and them on issues of you know,

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Speaker 2: human rights.

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Speaker 3: There's zero daylight effectively.

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Speaker 2: And then you know our own political leadership class being

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Speaker 2: incredibly not just complicit, but I mean directly involved. So

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Speaker 2: that's my that would be my note on the paper.

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Speaker 4: I guess i'd put that note at the bottom.

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Speaker 5: I put that note at the bottom too, but still

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Speaker 5: give him high marks to encourage him to continue.

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Speaker 4: Doing good work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got our guest standing by, but just really quickly,

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Speaker 2: I do want to mention put a eleven up on

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Speaker 2: the screen here because this is relatively extraordinary. We've got

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Speaker 2: House Democrat anxiety rising after wins by Mom Donnie back candidates.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to let them take over the party?

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Speaker 2: One battleground Democrat told me they are so concerned about

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Speaker 2: the rise of DSA they are having serious convos with

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Speaker 2: donors about leaving the party all together next term.

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Speaker 3: I would encourage them to go, go.

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Speaker 4: Ahead, good Josh Gotthheimer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, goodbye, Josh Gottheimer, go be a Republican. And

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Speaker 2: this is the problem again, going back to the carvel

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Speaker 2: piece of like, you can make that choice, but you've

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Speaker 2: already really lost. The base of the party is gone.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Jennifer Welsh's of the world are in

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Speaker 2: a very different place today. Your average normy Liberal voter

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Speaker 2: is voting for Grand Platin or not Janet Mills, is

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Speaker 2: voting for Abdullah Siad, not Hailey Stevens. It's a very

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Speaker 2: different dynamic. It's not just New York City. It really

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Speaker 2: is a national reckoning. And Israel is the sort of

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Speaker 2: most potent dividing line because it does take in the

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Speaker 2: DC political context. It shouldn't, but it does take some

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Speaker 2: political courage to stand up and say it's a genocide.

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Speaker 2: I'm not taking the APAC dollars. We need totally different

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Speaker 2: approach to.

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Speaker 3: All of this.

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Speaker 2: We actually do need to put human rights first. But

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Speaker 2: it's a stand in for are you willing to make

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Speaker 2: those hard choices? Are you willing to reflect the will

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Speaker 2: of the people versus the will of the donor class.

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Speaker 2: And obviously that has applicability in all sorts of issues

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Speaker 2: across the board, where the Democratic base and the majority

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Speaker 2: of the American people, by the way, really want to

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Speaker 2: see a different approach, a checking of the all of

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Speaker 2: our class, true accountability for the crimes that were committed

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Speaker 2: by the Trumpet regime and their and their acolytes and

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Speaker 2: so you know, Gaza and calling it a genocide and

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Speaker 2: standing up against it are a touchstone that indicates to

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Speaker 2: voters you are the type of politician that is going

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Speaker 2: to be different than the class that's in Washington today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we'll be talking to Corey Doctro at the

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Speaker 5: end of the program about AI and what its effect

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Speaker 5: is going to be on the economy and how we

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Speaker 5: should think about that. And I think people would be

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Speaker 5: a lot more scared of the idea of socialism if

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Speaker 5: they weren't completely frightened about where capitalism is planning to

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Speaker 5: take us and is and where capitalist is telling us

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Speaker 5: we're going to go, which is like the complete eradication

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Speaker 5: of jobs. Like that's what they're whether it's true or not,

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Speaker 5: Like that's what they're telling people.

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Speaker 4: Is going to happen.

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Speaker 5: So when you have a group of people who are like, well,

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Speaker 5: we have an alternative vision for society, people are going

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Speaker 5: to Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're the ones that are out there like

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Speaker 2: we need to totally new social contracts, like okay, well

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Speaker 2: let's get started on that.

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Speaker 3: Then let's start talking about that.

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Speaker 2: And that's how you end up with a situation where

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Speaker 2: this will be a good transition to our guests, where

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Speaker 2: socialism is more popular than capitalism in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: DSA is more popular than Democrats in Congress, and there

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Speaker 2: is just a real reckoning that is unfolding right now

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Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party. It is not going to look

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Speaker 2: the same after these midterm elections as it looked before.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, so President Trump was asked about the sweeping DSA

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Speaker 5: Zoramondannie victories in New York City in the Oval Office.

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Speaker 5: It's always fun to hear President Trump talking about the

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Speaker 5: mayor of New York.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to his reaction. Here, b one great.

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Speaker 5: Night for Democratic Socialist candidates last night and the New

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Speaker 5: York primaries, they swept and knocked out two incumbents.

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Speaker 9: You're from New.

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Speaker 4: York, why do you think it is that now the.

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Speaker 5: Endorsement of Zorn Mamdani means more than the endorsement of

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Speaker 5: Haakim Jefferies.

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Speaker 4: Well, they're going radical left. They're going really you know, you.

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Speaker 7: Talk about the Democrats, socialists, you took, Really, it's really communist.

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Speaker 8: That's these people.

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Speaker 4: I watched that woman last night. That's not a socialist.

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Speaker 4: I know socialists.

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Speaker 7: That's it.

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Speaker 4: That woman is a communist.

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Speaker 7: And you know what they don't say is that I

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Speaker 7: was sixteen and oh last.

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Speaker 4: Night, but mine was a little more boring, a little

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Speaker 4: more mainstream.

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Speaker 7: They were Republican conservatives, but we were sixteen and oh

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Speaker 7: and if you look over the last two and a

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Speaker 7: half years.

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Speaker 4: We're about three hundred and forty seven and just about.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's pretty good. But nobody writes that. But he

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Speaker 4: picked three.

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Speaker 8: They won.

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Speaker 4: They beat a guy named Dan Goldman, who's, you know,

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Speaker 4: a loser.

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Speaker 7: He was one of my prosecutors, one of my many

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Speaker 7: prosecutors that they used on me.

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Speaker 9: Dan Goldman not a good prosecutor fortunately, but he's now

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Speaker 9: looking for a job.

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Speaker 4: I would I was.

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Speaker 9: Very surprised to see, you know, because he's a pretty

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Speaker 9: liberal guy.

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Speaker 4: When they go more liberal than Dan Goldman. They're really

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Speaker 4: at the never never land. We can put up B

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Speaker 4: two here because it really.

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Speaker 5: Was a historic sweep across across the board. Of course,

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Speaker 5: you had the three, you had three races at the

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Speaker 5: at the federal level, if you throw in Brad Lander,

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Speaker 5: which we will, we'll talk about that in a second

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Speaker 5: in a second, as well as a significant number down

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Speaker 5: at the at the state legislative level and and elsewhere.

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Speaker 4: So joining us to kind of break all of.

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Speaker 5: This down are the two co chairs of New York

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Speaker 5: City Democratic Socialists of America, Gustavo Gordillo and Grace Mauser. Grace, Gustavo,

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Speaker 5: thank you so much for being here. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 5: was fortunate enough to get to run into both of

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Speaker 5: you guys on Tuesday night. Grace you were up at

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Speaker 5: the Daria Lisa election night e vent Gustava you were

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Speaker 5: down at Declare Valdez one.

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Speaker 4: Later, Grace wanted to start with you.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump also later in his comments, continued his romance

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Speaker 5: with Mom Donnie. So, even though he's talking about all

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Speaker 5: of the communists that are taking over here, so he

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Speaker 5: still seems to personally have a lot of affection for Mom. Donnie,

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Speaker 5: what is your what is your response to somebody like

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Speaker 5: Trump though, who says you know, somebody like the golden

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Speaker 5: that's about his leftist New York City ever ought to be?

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Speaker 5: And what is he missing about the city that he

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Speaker 5: grew up in?

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Speaker 6: And I think he's missing how unhappy people are with

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Speaker 6: the state of American politics. You saw over we counted

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Speaker 6: over one hundred and seventy thousand people voted for socialists

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Speaker 6: in New York City on Tuesday night. That is indeed

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Speaker 6: because of our organizing, because we knocked doors, because we

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Speaker 6: mobilize people, but it's also because people are deeply dissatisfied

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Speaker 6: with what's happening in our state and also throughout our country.

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Speaker 6: If people were happy with the war that Trump started

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Speaker 6: and Iran, if they were thrilled that we were busy

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Speaker 6: invading other countries, I think he would be seeing a

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Speaker 6: lot more success. His numbers would be up, his favorability

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Speaker 6: would be up, everyone would be absolutely clamoring for his endorsement.

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Speaker 6: But that's not happening at all because what he's doing

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Speaker 6: is immensely unpopular, and socialism is on the rise. It's

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Speaker 6: getting more and more popular than ever, and that's because

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Speaker 6: we're actually talking about what matters, and more importantly, we're

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Speaker 6: delivering what matters. We're delivering material improvements for working people.

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Speaker 2: So may Or Mum Donnie had a bit of a

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Speaker 2: different view of this week and the victories that you

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Speaker 2: all were able to secure.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little

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Speaker 3: bit of what he had to say.

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Speaker 9: What you all have shown this evening, whether for state Assembly,

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Speaker 9: state Senate, or Congress.

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Speaker 12: He's been a year ago. It was not the end

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Speaker 12: of a political movement. It was in the beginning. And

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Speaker 12: let's hear it.

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Speaker 9: For a politics, for a politics that we'll never forget

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Speaker 9: working people, for a politics that is ready to write

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Speaker 9: a new chapter in our party's history, and for a

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Speaker 9: politics that realizes the old politics that got us to

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Speaker 9: this crisis is not the politics that's going to get us.

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Speaker 6: Out of this crisis.

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Speaker 9: It's time for working people to be back at the

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Speaker 9: heart of our politics. These are the champions who will

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Speaker 9: do it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all, how much Gasavo.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious how much momentum have you all gained from

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Speaker 2: Zoron's victories and then from these victories Tuesday night, how

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Speaker 2: many new members have been added to New York City's

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Speaker 2: DSA chapter.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, these have been transformative wins, and when

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Speaker 8: we have these huge victories, they become moments of political

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Speaker 8: awakening for ordinary people. So when we endorsed the mayoral

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Speaker 8: campaign back in twenty twenty four, we were at fifty

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Speaker 8: nine hundred members.

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Speaker 4: Just a couple of weeks ago, we.

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Speaker 8: Were at fourteen thousand members, And in the nights since

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Speaker 8: these victories, we've added I think almost four hundred members

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Speaker 8: or maybe more so we're probably pretty close to fifteen

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Speaker 8: thousand at this point. And you know, we're going to

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Speaker 8: keep welcoming new members, having absorption events, because that's what

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Speaker 8: keeps us going, that's what allows us to grow.

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Speaker 2: And gustavo Ice actually saw a right wing commentator talking

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Speaker 2: about how he thought part of the success of DSA,

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Speaker 2: And obviously it's the values and people agreeing with the

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Speaker 2: messaging that you all are putting out, but also this

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Speaker 2: sense of of community, like we're doing something together. We're

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Speaker 2: not just isolated on our phones like doom scrolling. There's

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Speaker 2: a positive vision that we can enact into the world.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that has been a really central part

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Speaker 2: of Zorn's both his campaign but now his governing style

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Speaker 2: which has made him really broadly appealing.

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Speaker 3: Across the city.

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Speaker 2: How much do you think that that plays into the

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Speaker 2: appeal of DSA and organization like yours in a moment

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Speaker 2: like now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a huge part of our organizing, you know,

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Speaker 8: where we always choke DSA is the answer to the

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Speaker 8: male loneliness epidemic. We focus, of course on electoral campaigns,

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Speaker 8: running candidates, we contest for in the legislature, we try

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Speaker 8: to pass legislation. We work in the labor movement. But

665
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Speaker 8: when we're doing our new member orientations, we always say

666
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Speaker 8: that a core arm of what we do is building community.

667
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Speaker 8: So we've really invested quite a lot of capacity into

668
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Speaker 8: building social spaces. We have a run club, we have

669
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Speaker 8: a soccer league, our canvases themselves always have a social afterwards.

670
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Speaker 8: People make friends that way, you know, for young people

671
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 8: it's a pretty DSA is a pretty good way to

672
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Speaker 8: meet new people in the city.

673
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Speaker 5: And can you elaborate on that a little bit for

674
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Speaker 5: people who maybe are outside of the city too, like,

675
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Speaker 5: because I think it's you joke about it being a

676
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 5: cure to male loneliness or female loneliness is a thing too, uh,

677
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: loneliness is is a thing, and you actually do seem

678
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Speaker 5: to be doing, you know, very serious work pushing against that,

679
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 5: even if that isn't the kind of purpose of it,

680
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Speaker 5: but the purpose kind of creates that if you're out,

681
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Speaker 5: if you're somewhere else outside of New York City, if

682
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Speaker 5: you're in New York City, I guess search up New

683
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Speaker 5: York City DSA.

684
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Speaker 4: It's probably easy to plug.

685
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Speaker 5: Into at this point, But if you're outside of New

686
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Speaker 5: York you don't have a chapter, Like how hard is

687
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Speaker 5: it to start a chapter?

688
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Speaker 4: How hard is it? Like? How how hard is it

689
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Speaker 4: is it to join one?

690
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Speaker 8: Sure, at this point we have so many chapters all

691
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Speaker 8: across the country that there aren't that many parts of

692
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Speaker 8: the US that are are not served by a DSA chapter,

693
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Speaker 8: although it is possible to start a new one if

694
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Speaker 8: you go to DSA USA dot org. But for one

695
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 8: of the things that we started to implement a few

696
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Speaker 8: years ago was standardizing a ds A one oh one format.

697
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Speaker 8: This is a welcoming kind of orientation for people who

698
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Speaker 8: are thinking about joining or have already joined and want

699
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Speaker 8: to know what to do in their chapters. It's something

700
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Speaker 8: that basically every DSA chapter does now, and we started

701
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Speaker 8: pioneering it here in New York. And actually one of

702
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Speaker 8: the very first major events that Zoron Mundani did when

703
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Speaker 8: he launched his campaign was join us for At the time,

704
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Speaker 8: to us, it was it seemed like a mega ds

705
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Speaker 8: A one oh one where we had I think of

706
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Speaker 8: four hundred people back in the fall of twenty twenty four.

707
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Speaker 8: And he gave his own story of how he joined

708
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Speaker 8: DSA and the reason that he did so was because

709
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 8: we were the only organization who thought it was possible

710
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 8: to run anti Zionist candidates at the local level and

711
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 8: actually win. So you know, there are different different ways

712
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Speaker 8: to plug in all across the country, and we take

713
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Speaker 8: membership very seriously. We think the members lead the party,

714
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Speaker 8: not we don't lead from the top down.

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Speaker 3: Grace.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on some of the

717
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: coalition critiques. I guess of who is DSA and who's

718
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Speaker 2: voting for DSA candidates. There's a bit of a divide

719
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Speaker 2: that has emerged, you know, from sort of the establishment

720
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Speaker 2: Democrats and the Republicans. They can't decide whether they want

721
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: to say DSA is all white people or the problem

722
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: is DSA is all third world brown people. We can

723
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Speaker 2: get a flavor of both of these directions from Bachia.

724
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Speaker 2: Ungarsargen went with the what has been the original critique

725
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Speaker 2: B five that Daria Liza Chevalier lost the bronx part

726
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Speaker 2: of the district by thirty points. She also lost predominantly

727
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: black and Hispanic areas. She lost the lower income areas

728
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: by ten points. She won with you younger voters and

729
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: higher income voters and one majority college educated areas.

730
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Speaker 3: By twenty points.

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Speaker 2: So this is basically the idea that, Okay, sure you

732
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Speaker 2: can win in the Commy corridor because it's this gentrifying area.

733
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Speaker 3: You have highly.

734
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Speaker 2: Educated, young white people that like you, but the coalition

735
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: doesn't really extend to communities of color. But now we

736
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Speaker 2: have a new critique that's launched by you know, Stephen

737
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: Miller certainly said something like this. Matt Walsh and also

738
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Speaker 2: Jesse Waters on Fox News articulated a version of this,

739
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Speaker 2: Let's take.

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Speaker 13: A listen, crazy communists to right wing tough guys. Is

741
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 13: that how America is supposed to be?

742
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: Because that's the way it looks.

743
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 13: These people don't believe in borders, capitalism, our founding fathers.

744
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 13: They're here to steal punish us and then throw around welfare.

745
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 13: This is a third world takeover. This is what happens

746
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Speaker 13: when you import the third world. Did you know that

747
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Speaker 13: New York City is seventy percent non white, forty percent

748
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Speaker 13: foreign born, fifty percent.

749
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Speaker 4: Of the apartments.

750
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Speaker 3: They don't even speak English, not even their first language.

751
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Speaker 13: These three women who Mandani endorsed weren't even born in

752
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 13: New York City, weren't raised in New York City. They're

753
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 13: carpet baggers, carpet baggers, Jessica, And everyone's talking about like.

754
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 11: Oh, Mandami, Oh you got all this juice?

755
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 13: Like he's this like harmless novice politician on a hot streak.

756
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Speaker 4: This guy is trouble.

757
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 13: This guy is a trojan horse, and communism is going

758
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 13: to take over the Democratic Party and then we're gonna

759
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 13: have to beat it because you can't can't do anything

760
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Speaker 13: else besides beat it to a pulp.

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Speaker 2: So, Grace, what is your response to both versions of

762
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Speaker 2: that critique? A coalition that supports DSA and then supports

763
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Speaker 2: these candidates.

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Speaker 6: I'll take the more obviously evil and memorial first. The

765
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Speaker 6: right wing critique about the left and about New York

766
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Speaker 6: City is just disgusting.

767
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Speaker 4: It's so it's so silly to.

768
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Speaker 6: Be so afraid of people who did not grow up

769
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Speaker 6: the same way you did. Nativism should never be a requirement.

770
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Speaker 6: We're in a moment where our Supreme Court is considering

771
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Speaker 6: making non US born citizens fearful over their very rights

772
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 6: that have already been granted to them by our government.

773
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Speaker 6: And DSA unapologetically stands in solidarity with those communities people

774
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Speaker 6: who came here, you know, many generations ago, but also

775
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Speaker 6: people who arrived in the United States yesterday. I mean,

776
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Speaker 6: it's particularly funny hearing that kind of critique coming from

777
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Speaker 6: a political commentator who can't even say the mayor of

778
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Speaker 6: New York's name correctly. But Mayor Mom Donnie, as well

779
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Speaker 6: as many of candidates in DSA, are continuing a great

780
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Speaker 6: legacy of immigrants who have come to the US to

781
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Speaker 6: build economic and political future, who have flee prosecution for

782
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Speaker 6: a number of reasons, who have come to the US

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Speaker 6: for any number of reasons. And New York City as

784
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Speaker 6: well as America, I would remind mister Waters, does not

785
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Speaker 6: have a standard language. You're not required to speak English

786
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Speaker 6: as a first language, and that's what makes us strong.

787
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Speaker 6: And I think you see that New York City's the powerhouse,

788
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Speaker 6: the economic and political powerhouse of the country, and that

789
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Speaker 6: is in large part due to the immigrant cell of here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and New York City is kind of a parting,

791
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Speaker 5: purely absurd place, I think to level that critique, since

792
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Speaker 5: it's been a place of immigrants for you know, hundreds

793
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Speaker 5: of years, whether Irish, Italian, and so on. It's just

794
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: constantly evolving Greek neighborhoods, et cetera. But I am also

795
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Speaker 5: curious you guys ended up winning it seems like Harlem,

796
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Speaker 5: which cuts against this kind of this rudimentary graphic that

797
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Speaker 5: the New York Times had put out. It does actually

798
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Speaker 5: seem that with black voters in Harlem, Diarales actually seems

799
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Speaker 5: to have beaten Espaiad How Like, what do you think

800
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Speaker 5: it was that her that about her campaign that was able,

801
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Speaker 5: that was able to do that even though because I

802
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 5: think the critique that there are more kind of white

803
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 5: activists in DSA than kind of on average, say in Harlem,

804
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Speaker 5: Like I think that like those numbers are probably true,

805
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 5: Yet they were able to win over those voters in Harlem.

806
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 5: So like what was able to bridge that divide?

807
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Speaker 3: A big narrative?

808
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Speaker 8: Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, Christan, I'll say, working class

809
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 8: people of color in New York cannot afford to live here.

810
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Speaker 8: Seventy seven percent of Latinos cannot afford the true cost

811
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Speaker 8: of living for black New Yorkers. The numbers are not

812
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Speaker 8: far off, and our candidates are speaking to their needs.

813
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 8: They're talking about a working class economic agenda that's going

814
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Speaker 8: to side with the working class over the billionaire class.

815
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Speaker 8: And we're running against people like Spayot who are trying

816
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 8: to actually divide the working class against each other through

817
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 8: racist attacks, that Latinos cannot have solidarity with black people,

818
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 8: that Haitian is a term that should be a slur, you.

819
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Speaker 4: Know, New Yorkers.

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Speaker 8: This doesn't like land with New Yorkers. I was actually

821
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Speaker 8: astonished that when we ran Daria, the racist attacks coming

822
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Speaker 8: from s Bayot's camp, it was something that they thought

823
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Speaker 8: could succeed. I think, if anything, it moved voters closer

824
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Speaker 8: to us. Now, her district is about fifty percent Latino,

825
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 8: the electorate is about a third black. There's just no

826
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Speaker 8: way to win a race in in this district with

827
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Speaker 8: only a white electorate. I'll also add that in New

828
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Speaker 8: York City, dsay, first of all, our steering committee is

829
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Speaker 8: very multiracial. I think it's about forty percent Latino. And

830
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Speaker 8: where we are growing the fastest is in Upper Manhattan

831
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Speaker 8: and the Bronx. We've almost tripled in size there. Actually,

832
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 8: we probably definitely have tripled in size there by now

833
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 8: since the since the Zaran campaign launched and the new

834
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 8: members coming in are a pretty multi racial cohort. It's

835
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Speaker 8: about twenty five percent Latino. It doesn't it doesn't quite

836
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 8: look like the rest of das say, And I think

837
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Speaker 8: that's what happens when you build a mass movement that's

838
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Speaker 8: actually reaching working class people at scale.

839
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because bottom line is, whether you're a young person

840
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: in New York City, whether you are a person of

841
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: color who is a longtime resident, you are all struggling

842
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: with the same issues of affordability and an out of

843
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: touch political glass and life just being made very difficult

844
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Speaker 2: for you on a daily basis. Grace, let me get

845
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Speaker 2: your response to that as well, but let me add

846
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Speaker 2: one more piece to it here, because it's not just

847
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: the right. We had Letitia James, who had something to

848
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: say about the DSA victories this week as well, guys,

849
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: put B six up on the screen. She said that

850
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: it's a wake up call and quote. Obviously there's some

851
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: hurt feelings tonight, particularly in communities of color.

852
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 3: What we have to do is sit.

853
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 2: Down and see if we can come to some sort

854
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: of understanding, which again is hard to square with the

855
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: incredibly diverse districts that were one with large multi racial

856
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: coalition here.

857
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Speaker 6: I have a lot of respect for the Attorney General,

858
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 6: and I think we're on the same side on a

859
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 6: lot of issues. However, I do think she's part of

860
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 6: a misunderstanding of a progressive and establishment political class in

861
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 6: New York that believes that leaders are always totally in

862
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 6: sync with the electorate and with the people that they represent.

863
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Speaker 6: In Bedsty, which is a historically and predominantly black neighborhood

864
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Speaker 6: and area of the city in central Brooklyn, we now

865
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Speaker 6: have socialists at every level of government except for Congress. Congress,

866
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Speaker 6: of course, is represented by a minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries.

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Speaker 6: They won a majority of black voters.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't close.

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Speaker 6: We have a strong base of black socialism. We have

870
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 6: very strong Latina mostly leaders in DSA. Official positions, these

871
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 6: are just critiques that are stale and not reflective of

872
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 6: what the electorate actually wants. They yes, believe that demographic

873
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 6: representation is very important, but what's more important is that

874
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 6: you have a representative who is going to fight for you,

875
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Speaker 6: who is speaking to your material conditions and boiling things

876
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 6: down like this is neither narratively coherent to me, nor

877
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 6: is it reflective of what we actually see in the

878
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 6: voting patterns from Tuesday night.

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Speaker 5: And last question for me, now that you're going to

880
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 5: be sending a non trivial number of socialists down to Washington,

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Speaker 5: depending on what happens in November, you know, the socialist

882
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Speaker 5: block could make the difference between whether or not Democrats

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Speaker 5: can kind of get over the two eighteen need to

884
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Speaker 5: not just form a majority but also then kind of

885
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Speaker 5: elect the speaker. There's obviously been a huge push by

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Speaker 5: some people to just blocking Jeffries from becoming speaker at all.

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Speaker 5: My own read of that is that that's going to

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Speaker 5: be very difficult because no candidate has kind of risen

889
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Speaker 5: to oppose him. And Pelosi's very inspiring slogan used to

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Speaker 5: be you can't beat somebody with nobody. That was literally

891
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Speaker 5: what she would run on, and she was correct, you

892
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Speaker 5: need another name to run against.

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Speaker 4: But in order to.

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Speaker 5: Then to get the rules package approved in order to

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Speaker 5: get the vote across the board, Jeffries will need this

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Speaker 5: block of social support.

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Speaker 4: So that's a moment of leverage where you know, you

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Speaker 4: could ask for anything out and you know whether you

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Speaker 4: get it or not, but you could demand.

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Speaker 5: Things like super packs out of democratic primaries, a pack

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Speaker 5: out of democratic primaries, or policy concessions down the line

902
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Speaker 5: when it comes to whatever you're asking for, or you

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Speaker 5: do the money, you know, the big money concessions, which

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Speaker 5: then presumably lead to the policy concessions, because if you

905
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Speaker 5: can take the big money off the board, then they

906
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Speaker 5: don't have the ability to kind of push back against

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Speaker 5: popular ideas. Is this is New York City starting New

908
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Speaker 5: York's i do say, is starting to strategize around what

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Speaker 5: to do with this power in Washington as is there

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Speaker 5: anything you can kind of signal where people should start

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Speaker 5: kind of exploring ideas.

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Speaker 8: I think that it's definitely true that Jeffries, if the

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Speaker 8: Democrats take back the House, he's going to have to

914
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Speaker 8: earn the vote of socialists in Congress. You know, they

915
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Speaker 8: are there not to be accountable to him, but they're

916
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Speaker 8: there to be accountable to the communities that have elected him,

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Speaker 8: and I'm not sure that he's totally in sync with

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Speaker 8: the working class in the districts that are electing Democratic Socialists.

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Speaker 8: So I think the demands that you've raised are going

920
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Speaker 8: to have a lot of purchase. I think among our base,

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Speaker 8: forcing money, big money out of politics, making stigmatizing APAC,

922
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Speaker 8: making them a non starter within the Democratic Party. I

923
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Speaker 8: think these are all demands that there's going to be

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Speaker 8: a lot of interest around. We've been so focused on

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Speaker 8: just winning these campaigns. We you know, we don't get

926
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Speaker 8: ahead of ourselves and starting to think about what the

927
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Speaker 8: immediate next steps will be for governing. But that's what

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Speaker 8: we're starting to do now. We're going to be meeting,

929
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Speaker 8: setting up, you know, increasing our Federal Socialists and Office Committee.

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Speaker 8: That's the body that we use to coordinate with our

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Speaker 8: elected officials in DSA, and I think this will be

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Speaker 8: one of the top questions if we do end up having,

933
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Speaker 8: you know, a powerful block like that.

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Speaker 2: Last week for me, Grace, so we we played in

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Speaker 2: our last block, James Carvill kind of melting down and

936
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Speaker 2: saying there should be a schism in the Democratic Party

937
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Speaker 2: that people like Daria Liza, they're they're not in the

938
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Speaker 2: same party as him. You had Jamie Harrison say these

939
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Speaker 2: type of candidates should not be Democrats, should not run

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Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party. You've got all kinds of articles

941
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Speaker 2: and axios and wherever about how freaked out establishment Democrats

942
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Speaker 2: are in the House. One apparently said they're even bloring

943
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Speaker 2: switching to the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: You have sort of struck fear in their hearts. Are

945
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Speaker 3: they right to be afraid?

946
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Speaker 4: Not?

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Speaker 6: If they start doing stuff that we think.

948
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Speaker 4: Too, everything will work.

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Speaker 6: The reason that the Democrats have become weaker and lost

950
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Speaker 6: ground not only to the Republicans but to us as

951
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Speaker 6: democratic socialists, is because they have failed not just since

952
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Speaker 6: Trump took office in twenty twenty five for the second time,

953
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Speaker 6: but for years, and not just since Trump took office

954
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Speaker 6: for the first time either. They have failed for decades

955
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Speaker 6: to actually fight for material changes for working people. And

956
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Speaker 6: voters notice that they notice when you say something and

957
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Speaker 6: then you do nothing to make it in actuality. They

958
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Speaker 6: notice when you label someone a fascist and you complain

959
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 6: loudly in the press about them, but you actually don't

960
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Speaker 6: fight to get them out of office. To fight as

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Speaker 6: hard as you can for the people, the immigrants, the

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Speaker 6: trans people, the children and women that they're throwing under

963
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Speaker 6: the bus. Everyone notices that. And if they're losing ground

964
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Speaker 6: because of that, they should think about why that is.

965
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Speaker 6: They should think about what they are doing and more importantly,

966
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Speaker 6: what they are failing to do. That is making voters

967
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Speaker 6: change their minds, vote for democratic socialists and then worst

968
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Speaker 6: case sometimes turned to Repubicans and people who are running

969
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Speaker 6: on fascist platforms because Democrats have failed to do anything well.

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Speaker 2: Grace and Castalvo, great to have you both, Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much. Congratulations on some massive victories this week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you great to be here, our pleasure.

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Speaker 5: And last note for the audience, the nightmare for the

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Speaker 5: party isn't over. The DSA has back the candidate may

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Speaker 5: let Kiros in Colorado who is up on Tuesday. Corey

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Speaker 5: Bush is up October fourth, August fourth. She's running to

977
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Speaker 5: come back into office after APEX spent many millions to alstar.

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Speaker 5: I noticed that the prediction markets are now quite panicked

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Speaker 5: that that Bush, despite having not a whole lot of

980
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Speaker 5: money behind her, has a very good chance now of

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Speaker 5: coming back to Congress.

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Speaker 4: Because there's these.

983
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Speaker 5: These like these forecasters are seeing the energy that's on

984
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Speaker 5: the ground there so that these are a couple, couple

985
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Speaker 5: more to watch. This block could continue to grow, but

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Speaker 5: you know, thank you both so much for joining us.