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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are not a dolphin

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Speaker 1: safe show today.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm home.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to my friend Jordan rodrig who's across the city,

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Speaker 1: whose dad.

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Speaker 2: Joke from text about an hour or two ago I

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Speaker 2: just stole. Welcome, Welcome back to NFL Daily. Jordan. We

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Speaker 2: miss be.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: You had a great week of shows in the gap

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Speaker 4: between our fantastic and super fun Super Bowl recap. I

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Speaker 4: loved hearing Mina and I loved hearing Bill. I love

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Speaker 4: I always love hearing Ali. You know this, so it

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Speaker 4: was fun. It was fun for me to kind of

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Speaker 4: just sleep for the last five days and listen to everything.

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Speaker 2: No no comment on your corny joke.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, listeners don't know how much

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Speaker 1: Jordan loves a dad joke, but you really, they really do,

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Speaker 1: because they've been listening to you for a couple of

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Speaker 1: years now. And we'll have more opportunities for said jokes

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Speaker 1: because yes, we'll talk about Tyreek Hill and all the

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Speaker 1: dolphins being cut.

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Speaker 2: We do have just kind of drips and drabs of news.

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Speaker 1: As we are in a flash flood warning in Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles right now and so if you hear anything in

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Speaker 1: the background, that's the ring.

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Speaker 2: And then we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: A little primer on the franchise tag. It's an exercise

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Speaker 1: I've done for a long time now on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and it gives us a chance of who to say,

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Speaker 1: who we think is gonna get tagged, who won't, and

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Speaker 1: gives us a chance to talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: biggest names that are going to be on my top

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Speaker 1: one oh one free agent's list, which is in process.

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Speaker 1: I kind of have my rough draft ready and now

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Speaker 1: I got to decide where to put Tyreek Hill and

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Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb and maybe Nick Westbrook er Keine and maybe

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Speaker 1: James Daniels. I don't know if they're gonna make the cut,

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Speaker 1: but I'll let you go first here, Jordan. The Dolphins

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Speaker 1: new front office made a lot of cuts, none of

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Speaker 1: which were shocking, but they kind of the first team

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Speaker 1: to just make all these big moves. And Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: specifically is a big name who is immediately available on

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Speaker 1: the free agency market. If a team wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: they could Bradley Chubble. See it's not official yet, but

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Speaker 1: just you your thoughts on this overall group and what

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Speaker 1: it means for the Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think to your point, inevitable in some

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Speaker 4: ways because John Eric Sullivan and Jeff Haffley, you knew

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Speaker 4: immediately once they set up shop and sort of got

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Speaker 4: let the dust settle.

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Speaker 3: Post Super Bowl is really when.

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Speaker 4: A lot of this stuff starts to formally happen, Gearing

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Speaker 4: in a couple of weeks. You knew that they were

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Speaker 4: going to identity shift the team, right. This was a

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Speaker 4: team that was built somewhat incongruently in some ways, but

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Speaker 4: a lot of ways on offense especially, had an identity

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Speaker 4: that fit what Mike McDaniel wanted to do in terms

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Speaker 4: of a lot of speed. You know, Tyreek Hill coming

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Speaker 3: Of the off.

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Speaker 4: The field stuff that he always seems to be involved

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Speaker 3: See how certain teams pick that up.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's not a surprise to me to see

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what the Dolphins do over the next

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Speaker 1: Yes, the insiders who have been reporting about this on

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Speaker 1: And the Dolphins would love to get a trade partner.

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Speaker 1: The problem is they're going to have to give up

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Speaker 1: You never know, talking about cap space all these moves,

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Speaker 1: and let's go through Tyreek Hill, you know, five time

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Speaker 1: had great years in Miami, Bradley Chubb, who missed all

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Speaker 2: And twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not you know, as big as his name is,

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Speaker 1: but he did have production. And then James Daniels was

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Speaker 1: had been healthy before. That's just bad luck, and now

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Speaker 1: they're going to cut him. So they went from over

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Speaker 1: he gets too much money, Like teams are willing to

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Speaker 2: And they had to do that.

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Speaker 1: They had to make, you know it right, for all

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Speaker 1: the decisions that Chris Greer had made poorly over the

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Speaker 1: now that like they gave him another deal just two

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Speaker 1: years ago. My question is what should I do with

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Speaker 4: And you have to see too, because unfortunately, I don't

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Speaker 3: Maybe even if he, like let's.

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Speaker 4: Say he comes back from the injury and he's lost

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Speaker 4: I could definitely see this happening like late June. And

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Speaker 4: it's interesting because Greg the I think they have up

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Speaker 4: So it's still a huge amount of dead money that

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Speaker 4: teams don't care about this as much anymore. They are

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Speaker 4: it almost like gives you an auto reset.

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Speaker 3: It's like a windshield wiper.

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Speaker 4: Now it's rating I'm thinking of this, say a windshield

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Speaker 4: wiper on your entire basically team build and then you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very well put by you, and it's not

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Speaker 1: last few years, including the Eagles, do it basically year

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Speaker 1: after year. Bradley Chubb is a guy who I initially

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Speaker 2: So of my top one O one.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of free agents that I like more

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Speaker 4: But yes, because he's a pass rusher greg and you're

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Speaker 4: They're They're willing to pick up any veteran pass rusher

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Speaker 1: Like Joey Bosa, I do have ahead of Bradley Chubb.

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Speaker 2: To me, he he was a better player.

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Speaker 1: If you're thinking of similar types of players, Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: Chubb will get signed and do plenty. While I'm not

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Speaker 1: right team. On the Homegrown podcast with our colleague David Carr,

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Speaker 2: You've had a lot of quality time with David, good guy.

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Speaker 1: You know he once to help us get Derek Carr,

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Speaker 1: you know, to unblock us on the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 2: That was exciting.

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Speaker 1: The most interesting thing about the Derek Carr you know

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Speaker 1: conversation is that he said he's already turned down some

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Speaker 2: He's mentioned it that he'd only do it for like

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Speaker 1: Bowl team, And it does go to our friend Adams

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Speaker 4: the way that we all thought that it was right and.

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Speaker 1: A cynic or at least maybe a realist would say,

443
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 1: like the ego of John Harbaugh is a big part

444
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: of this too.

445
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 3: In that half.

446
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 1: The article is like how hard he's working, he has

447
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: not had time to even go to and I'm sure

448
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: it's all true, but it's given us his four am

449
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: workout routine, which I love that stuff.

450
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 2: But it's one of those.

451
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: Articles that if it doesn't go well in New York,

452
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: you'll look back and be like, like, like he's feeling

453
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: himself here and I would too if I just signed

454
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: a one hundred million dollar contract, and uh yeah, the

455
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,239
Speaker 1: whole building is basically reporting to Dona Ponte.

456
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 3: Who is reporting to John Harbaugh.

457
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Speaker 4: And it's interesting because I think those types of details

458
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 4: paint a picture of somebody who wants people to know

459
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 4: he's still got this, you know, like I still am capable.

460
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 4: I still am even though it was maybe not as

461
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 4: mutual parting from the Ravens as I'd like people to

462
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 4: think that it was, or they'd like people to think

463
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Speaker 4: that it was. Like I'm in control, and this is

464
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Speaker 4: why it will work, that I am in I.

465
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Speaker 2: Got the juice and I got them, I got them muscles.

466
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and let's

467
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Speaker 1: come back and let's talk TAG before we get out here.

468
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Speaker 2: So we're going to go through like the top potential

469
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Speaker 2: guys who could get the franchise, tag and kissops.

470
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily feeling bad. I wasn't totally.

471
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: Sure what the Gutenberg Bible was like.

472
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: It sounded vaguely familiar, but to me, Gutenberg is more

473
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: rightly known as Steve.

474
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Speaker 2: From the Police Attic Academy series. That's I don't.

475
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: Know if it's the most famous book, but yeah, I

476
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: would say book a job. There's you know, I know

477
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: a lot of other types of book, but not that one.

478
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 2: Tag primer. Let's do it.

479
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: I set up our players into different sections, and yes,

480
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: I was raised completely without religion and clueless.

481
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: My kids are going to be even more clueless, which

482
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Speaker 2: I worry about. I set it into different sections. Jordan.

483
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Speaker 2: The first section, and we'll just go through them. Is

484
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Speaker 2: a lock.

485
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: I only have one that's a lock. It's already been reported.

486
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: It's George Pickens. I think the most interesting thing to

487
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: think about George Pickens right now is could tag and

488
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: trade him? And if so, what would the price be?

489
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: The wide receiver tag is twenty eight million. Twenty eight

490
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: point eight, so a nice come up for George Pickens

491
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: considering where he was last year.

492
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: It's not like the Steelers.

493
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: Dumped him, but that was you know, they were getting

494
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: mid round picks for him, and now he's getting twenty

495
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: eight million. At least. Cowboys have a lot of cap issues.

496
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Speaker 1: I tend to think they will just tag and keep him.

497
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Speaker 1: But what do you think the market would be if

498
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Speaker 1: if they kind of opened it up for offers?

499
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think you're looking at at least

500
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Speaker 4: a second round pick, maybe a couple of mid round

501
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 4: picks for George Pickens, who you're gonna need to pay

502
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: if you're an acquiring team, So you have to factor

503
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 4: that in as well. He's such a talent, and so

504
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: that's part of the reason why I can't see the

505
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 4: Cowboys parting with him. Outside of one extremely notable exception

506
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: last offseason, a lot of times they've done a pretty

507
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Speaker 4: decent job of like keeping their players who who are

508
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 4: their good players essentially again, outside of the Micah Parsons situte.

509
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Many of them, some Cowboys fans would would argue that

510
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: they've given some big contracts to not even great players.

511
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and so I think that's that's a factor here.

512
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 4: What we absolutely can't roll out is the fact that

513
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones is going to want this in the media

514
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 4: for as long as possible into the spring and summer.

515
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 4: So I'm sure we're going to hear and you know what,

516
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: like the wild card here and I know you guys

517
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: you talked about it.

518
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Speaker 3: I think with DJ on a previous.

519
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 4: Show, is David Mulgeta being George Pickens agent also Michaeh

520
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: Parsons agent, also somebody who Jerry Jones insulted last offseason

521
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: ahead of the even the negotiation process with Micah Parsons.

522
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Speaker 4: And you try to think, Okay, well, that can't possibly

523
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: play a factor in people doing their jobs and executing.

524
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Speaker 4: But if there is going to be straws that are

525
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Speaker 4: maybe grasped out of reasons to not sign a player

526
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Speaker 4: that they need, that they want to use that an

527
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Speaker 4: owner with the history of sort of holding on to

528
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: these types of things wants to use that could be

529
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Speaker 4: one of them.

530
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Speaker 3: It certainly would be the stuff of the type of.

531
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Speaker 4: Noise that they want to perpetuate about their brand into

532
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 4: the offseason. I think the smart thing to do would

533
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 4: be to tag him and keep him. But again, George

534
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: Pickens and David Mulghetto will probably have some sort of

535
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: conversation or say about this too.

536
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: They have a they're thirty million dollars over the cap.

537
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: They can do a million restructors, and obviously they can

538
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: figure it out. But you know, if you tag guy,

539
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: that's just a clean twenty eight million dollars. I hate

540
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: the franchise tag. I think they should get rid of it.

541
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Speaker 1: In the next CBA. It's so hard for these guys

542
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: to earn. Like they're right, you know, there is no

543
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: free market in the NFL, but closer to what free

544
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: market value would be that it seems like unfairly weighted

545
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: against the players.

546
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Speaker 2: That said, since it does exist, this is a.

547
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Speaker 1: Situation where if I'm the Cowboys, I would not want

548
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: to give George Pickens a long term deal because of

549
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: the up and down nature of his career. I think

550
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: one year is perfect, and if you did have a

551
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: team willing to give up a second plus, I don't

552
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: think it's a I don't think it's crazy to trade

553
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: him at all because I don't think paying him and

554
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: Ceede Lamb like between him sixty million dollars long term

555
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: is maybe that big of a winning strategy, But most

556
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: likely you kick the can down the corner because I

557
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: don't think teams are going to give up much for

558
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: George Pickens, to be honest with when you have to

559
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: pay them that much money.

560
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's.

561
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Speaker 4: The contract aside, which we can't logically put it aside,

562
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Speaker 4: because it's going to be something that.

563
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: You're going to have to pay him to have one

564
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars guaranteed, So do you want to do

565
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: that plus picks for George Pickens.

566
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't think many teams will. Yeah, the picks aren't great.

567
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: So that's why I would think the Cowboys have some

568
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 4: leverage there. But looking at some of the rest of

569
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 4: these names, and then also the names and the free

570
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 4: agency list, there are going to be teams who miss

571
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Speaker 4: out on getting their number one receiver.

572
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: Again, perhaps like.

573
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Speaker 4: Teams that have struggled to nail this position over the

574
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 4: course of the last couple of years, there are going

575
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: to be teams that are maybe not wanting to take

576
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 4: a risk on Tyreek Hill because of the injury stuff,

577
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 4: because of the off field stuff, and maybe the contract

578
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: becomes a little bit more palatable in that case if

579
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 4: you think, Okay, we can bring this guy in and

580
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: he's going to be our difference maker and we think

581
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 4: we have the right program for.

582
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: Him as well.

583
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it'd be fun. I like,

584
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: because you're not.

585
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 4: Getting Alec Pierce, you know, you're not getting some of

586
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 4: these guys on here.

587
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: You just some of these potential tag guys. What a segue,

588
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: I know.

589
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: Very good.

590
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and we talked aj Brown, you know, Brian

591
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior that there will be yeah, Michael Pittman potentially

592
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: receivers available for a trade, But these are more about

593
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: tags and yes your segue the section I categorized leaning yes.

594
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: So if I had to guess, I think these players

595
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: would get tagged, and I have five players in this year.

596
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce I think will happen. We'll start with him.

597
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: Breise Hall I think will get to tag o Dafe

598
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: Oway maybe should have been more in my fifty to

599
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: fifty tier, now that I say it out loud, But

600
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: if I would go like fifty two to forty eight,

601
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm leaning, Kenneth Walker, I'm leaning yes, and Kyle Pitts

602
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm leaning yet. So we'll go through them one by one.

603
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: But Pierce in Daniel Jones is the most interesting situation

604
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: I think on this entire list, because they're both free agents,

605
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: they're both eligible for the franchise tag. A franchise tag

606
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones would be forty seven million dollars, which

607
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: seems prohibitive, so you would just think that they're going

608
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: to have to figure out some sort of contract if

609
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: they want to keep him. And that's partly why I

610
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: do lean yes that twenty eight million dollars is a

611
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: lot for Alic Pierce. But as you know, but just

612
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: to remind the listeners, it's very often a tool to

613
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: get them to a long term contact contract extension, and a

614
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: lot of times the contract happens before you even need

615
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: the tag and it's just kind of sitting in the

616
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: background as something almost threatened by the team, and eventually

617
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: you just get that contract. One it sounds like you

618
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: think he will stay, and you agree.

619
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: With me here, I think that Alec Pierce is more

620
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: of an extension candidate and Daniel Jones is more of

621
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 4: the tag candidate here, especially because Alec Pierce will be

622
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: ultra tradable if you decide maybe you're going in a

623
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: different direction, or a new coaching staff comes in, let's

624
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 4: say after twenty twenty six, and they go I can't

625
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 4: imagine not wanting one of the most explosive players we've

626
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: seen in the last couple of years in the NFL.

627
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: But if they go in a different direction, like he

628
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 4: would be I think tradable.

629
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Whereas then by that logic, the guy whose tradium is fired.

630
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that plays a huge role.

631
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: Okay, well it's not like it doesn't play a huge

632
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm just sort of contextualizing why I would make the

633
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: decision is you should extend your good players. You have

634
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: a good player in house, you should extend your good

635
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: players if you if you come to regret it. He

636
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: is a very tradable asset. That's my only point in

637
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: that parameter. The other thing is Daniel Jones, I think

638
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: is a more likely tag candidate for the Colts.

639
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: Here.

640
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: The injury is everything it really is, and I think

641
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 4: realistically we've seen these Achilles recoveries where you do really

642
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: have to get a sense for how a guy can

643
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: come back that first year and it really looks unsteady

644
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: that first year back. As miraculous as the recovery surgeries

645
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: and the recovery time has gotten, it still is such

646
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: a significant recovery timeline that we've seen guys sort of

647
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: creak back into their better selves a year after the

648
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: surgery or it just takes time. So I think you

649
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: want to keep them in house and see monitor how

650
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: the recovery is going, but you don't want to necessarily

651
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: commit to anything long term until you can see what

652
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: that timeline actually looks like. And to your point, sometimes

653
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: the tag can be an on ramp to an extension,

654
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: and it's still a significant amount of guaranteed money for

655
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: a quarterback who really made your offense tick and looked

656
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: like the right fit for the head coach. The Colts

657
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: have so many prove it situations happening in twenty twenty

658
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: six infrastructurally that I just think tagging the quarterback is

659
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: a smart idea.

660
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: I just think forty seven is too much. It sounds

661
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: easy for me on the outside, what are they going

662
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: to do at quarterback? If you know he he you know,

663
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: stares them down but I and doesn't take whatever they're offering.

664
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: But to me, there has to be To me, if

665
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: he signs a contract, it's going to be like a

666
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: two year contract, and it's not going to be for

667
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: top money, and it might be backloaded. It's really complicated,

668
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: and that's why I think they have to consider all options,

669
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: including not bringing Daniel Jones back if push game to chef,

670
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: because putting forty seven million dollars on your cap for

671
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: a guy who, best case scenario, is going to play

672
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: half this year and probably won't be as good as

673
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: he was before is really tricky. So since there's a

674
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: lot of mutual interest. Can you just figure out some

675
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: sort of compromise that that spreads it out. It's a

676
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: couple of years, whatever the contract is, we'll see. But

677
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I'm not totally convinced it's like one hundred

678
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: percent he's back, even though it's it's very nicely, greg.

679
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: I think that because Daniel Jones played last year's situation

680
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: so smartly, where Minnesota was clearly interested probably will be again. Frankly,

681
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: Minnesota was clearly interested in him, and there are people

682
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 4: in that building that wanted to keep him, and he

683
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 4: went to a place that was better for him in

684
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: the long run. I just don't think that we can

685
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: automatically assume he would say, okay, yeah, let's compromise and

686
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: take two years of like something that's easy on your cap,

687
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: Like this is a player who knows he can do

688
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: the job, and so it would be a leap of

689
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 4: faith for the Colts saying one year forty seven million.

690
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: But maybe you make it up on the back end

691
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 4: if you if it works out and you do some

692
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: more amenable things after the twenty twenty sixth season.

693
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: I just think that forty seven million is not going.

694
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: To look like long a lot in retrospect, in a

695
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: best case scenario if the quarterback ends up working out

696
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: long term and you can get something good worked out

697
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: with him.

698
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: It's so complicated because if you're Daniel Jones, how I

699
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: would think about it as like this, I mean, this

700
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: year's probably not going to go like why would is

701
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: his value might go down?

702
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: It should go down.

703
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: The odds on him playing eighty percent. Daniel Jones, what Yeah,

704
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: take that, Take that guaranteed money. But it's it's very

705
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: tricky if you can get more guaranteed money in a

706
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: multi year and then not rush yourself and not feel

707
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: like the pressure to like earn your market value back

708
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: in a year. And I was talking about this with

709
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: someone this morning too that yeah, like I think we

710
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: forget that, like he's had a lot of injuries and

711
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: like counting on him to be great this next year

712
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: is tricky. And so they got to figure out is

713
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard enough. There's a lot to figure out.

714
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: You're kind of arguing against your own Colts point.

715
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: Then I know you said, if you're Daniel Jones, you

716
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: think about it this way, but your argument for the Colts,

717
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: like you don't want to put up that much guaranteed money. Okay, well,

718
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: a long term extension is more guaranteed money than forty

719
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: seven million. And then I know it's a year versus

720
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: multiple years. But if you know that, you you need

721
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: him to you need him in your building to understand

722
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 4: how his recovery is going. The second he leaves your building,

723
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: you no longer have access to that data.

724
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: You don't have any of that information.

725
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, it's kind of a if

726
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 4: you think he could be your long term solution, maybe

727
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: you use it as a tool to get to something else,

728
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: is what I would say.

729
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine, mine is even less maybe about the guaranteed

730
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: money long term and more just literally just building the

731
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: team this year in a win now type of year.

732
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: That okay, that just goes on the cap.

733
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: But you can always figure it out, including maybe with

734
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: a Pittman trade Breese Hall and Kenneth Walker. I put

735
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: leaning yes, not too complicated there. The running back number

736
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: is just very low to me. Fourteen point five million.

737
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot to pay a running back

738
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: one year. It just feels like that's one less problem

739
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: for either of these teams to solve. The Jets should

740
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: not be in the business of just letting good players

741
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: walk away.

742
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: So those seem simple to me. But I guess we'll

743
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: see with Kenneth Walker, what.

744
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 4: Do you think. I think Kenneth Walker is a no

745
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: brainer to me. The Breecee Hall one, I think is

746
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: a little more complicated, just because the Jets are in

747
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 4: badly need of like a ViBe's improvement. It's very clear

748
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn is trying to reset in a lot of

749
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 4: ways in that building, and some of its job saving mode,

750
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: I think, but some of it's also getting a little

751
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: bit of a tonal reset. And Breece Hall gave strong

752
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: indications on social media and interviews, et cetera that he

753
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: wanted out with all those other guys at the trade deadline.

754
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 4: Things can always change. But if I'm the Jets, yes,

755
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: the tag is really enticing. I'm also thinking about does

756
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: this guy actually want.

757
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 3: To be here?

758
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: So, to me, that's the first question that needs to

759
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: get answered, especially if you're trying to go for, like

760
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: I said, a little bit of a tonal reset this year.

761
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

762
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: The only problem for the Jets with that is if

763
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: that was their barometer, they wouldn't have a team or

764
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: maybe even the coaching stuff.

765
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be there a dafe O way.

766
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: What a contract year he had point three million dollars

767
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: in terms of the franchise tag.

768
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: He's in my top ten.

769
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I kind of went back and forth between him and

770
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: boy mafe as my two favorite edge guys top ten

771
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: players overall. In just think they value that position so

772
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: much that it took me a second to get there.

773
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: But I thought, I don't know, I just think one

774
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: way or another. It's like almost with all these guys,

775
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: a long term extension is more more likely than not

776
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: than a tag. But I just don't think they'll let

777
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: them walk away. They can figure out the money later.

778
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's on this list the probably the

779
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: strongest extension candidate other than Alec Pierce. But yeah, defensively,

780
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: I think he's I mean, to me, you saw productive

781
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: they were once he got there. He just he brings

782
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: a lot of that system to life upfront. Yeah, I

783
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: think he's an extension candidate.

784
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: It's weird because he was in the same system in

785
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: Baltimore and was generally I wouldn't say.

786
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: But he didn't have the same rushing partners Greg. That's

787
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: what that's there's a lot to that that I think

788
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: those unoverlooked and kind of maybe blamed on coaching too

789
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: at times. It's like you need good rushing partners too.

790
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 4: You have to have chemistry with those guys and a plan,

791
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: a mathematical plan built around what everybody's strengths are.

792
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: And Tuley plow t Is do a long term contract extension,

793
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: so they have to think about their money. Khalil Mack

794
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: is also a free agent, so now that I'm talking

795
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: it out, I feel like he could be in the

796
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: next category up in the air because there is a

797
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: scenario where they give two lead the money, they just

798
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: bring back Khalil Mack if you assuming he wants to

799
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: play for one year, but we'll see, I lean yes

800
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: in the end. Kyle Pitts, Man, I've talked too much

801
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: about Kyle Pitts on this podcast here. The tight end

802
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 1: number is ultimately sixteen point three million, and I do think,

803
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: kind of like George Pickens, he's a good candidate for

804
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: a tag because he's had an up and down career.

805
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: In Pitts's case, he's had these injuries and for a

806
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: one year contract, that's kind of perfect for the Falcons

807
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: to keep an offensive West Weapon test drive them with

808
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: a new staff and see if he fits with them.

809
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 4: This is this would be his fourth test drive, third

810
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 4: test drive, right, trying to go through the math.

811
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: In my head, it's.

812
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Going to fit well with Zach Robinson. It was probably

813
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: the best thing going for Zach Robinson. He max that

814
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: pits up in the air. I had Daniel Jones there

815
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: before we talked about him. Jalen Phillips would have that

816
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: same twenty eight million dollar number at edge Man. I

817
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: don't think that the Eagles are going to want to

818
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: let him go. And then Katea and I threw in

819
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: there at tight end for sixteen million dollars because the

820
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: Bucks are not really in the business of letting their

821
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: young guys just walk away, and they have a few

822
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: different options out with which they could use the tag,

823
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: including Jammel Dean I think and would be the most likely,

824
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: not guaranteed, because the tricky part is if the tag

825
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: is sixteen million, you're trying to get a contract done,

826
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: probably averaging let's say twelve million, and so it's this

827
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: bargaining chip that the players have. So again, a long

828
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: term deal I think is more likely for both those players,

829
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: but both Phillips and A and I think.

830
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: Have a chance.

831
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you just mentioned it. Zach Robinson's the OC

832
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: down there now is going to need a number one

833
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: tight end in this offense. Baker Mayfield loves Kate Atten.

834
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: I think we all were a little disappointed. Kate Aughton

835
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: showed extraordinary promise two years ago and even you know,

836
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 4: splashed a little at the at the start of this

837
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: season two and then kind of disappeared a little bit,

838
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: you know, like just kind of wasn't everything in that

839
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: offense was disjointed. But I think if you're Zach Robinson,

840
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 4: you're like, is this going to be my number one

841
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: tight end? Because you need one the player, the hinge

842
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: player a lot of times in that offense is that guy?

843
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: So Ken Kate Otton be that guy.

844
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: In Yeah, Unlike Kyle Pitts. I think he's a guy

845
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: who that you're gonna feel good about in terms of

846
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: asking him to block. Pits is almost just like a big,

847
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: a big receiver and has value doing that. Jalen Phillips,

848
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: if he does make it to free agency, in which

849
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: I always root for that because I want my list

850
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: to look as good as possible. Is my number three

851
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: player overall, I have Pickins number one, I have Tyler

852
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: Linderbaum number two, and I have Jalen Phillips number three.

853
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't think the Eagles let him go, but it's complicated.

854
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: They they have so much going on this offseason. It's

855
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: really insane and it's really fascinating. But I think they

856
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: have a great young player at a position they really

857
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: value in the building, so they tend to keep those guys.

858
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm leaning though, on the two Chiefs players, Brian Cook

859
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: the safety, who might be the top safety available in

860
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: Jalen Watson, who might be the top cornerback available, because

861
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: in general they've just let their defensive backs go. But

862
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: the safety number isn't that big. It's getting bigger though.

863
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: It's twenty point eight million dollars. That would be a

864
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: lot for a team that is trying to figure out

865
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: how they're gonna get under the cap. And then I

866
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: have a long list of guys I'll just say no

867
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: to and feel free to talk about any of them,

868
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens, Isaiah Likely, Tyler Linderbaum, Ozion Johnson. As I

869
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: did this exercise, kept climbing up my top one oh

870
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: one list. I still don't think that they would tag him,

871
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: but man, Jim Harbaugh loves him and he's probably their

872
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: best interior offensive lineman and they're terrible on the interior,

873
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: So I say no, but it's not crazy. Devin Lloyd

874
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: in Travis etn I just don't think it makes sense

875
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: for the numbers. Even though they're really good players. They're

876
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: going to be in my top twenty players overall. Devin

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Speaker 1: Lloyd's in the top ten. Devin Bush had a great

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Speaker 1: season for the Browns, but that's to know. Kenny Gainwell,

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Speaker 1: if you're the team MVP, I'm just gonna mention you

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Speaker 1: at least. Rashid Walker and Quay Walker both play for

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Speaker 1: the Packers. Rashid plays left tackle, Quay plays linebacker. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they would tag those guys, but they're intriguing

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Speaker 1: guys coming off their rookie contracts. Alonte Taylor for the

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Speaker 1: Saints at cornerback, Cam Curl at safety for the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I threw in Kobe Bryant. He would get xed out

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Speaker 1: there by Kenneth Walker. In this scenario. The Seahawks safety

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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't pay him twenty million dollars anyway. So those

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Speaker 1: are just some of the names I did not give

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Speaker 1: them my franchise tag too, But teams can do it soon.

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Speaker 1: It's the off season is starting right now, Jordan, who

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Speaker 1: stands out to you out of that list?

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Speaker 3: Actually? What stands out well, I didn't mean to actually, but.

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Speaker 4: What stands out to me about this list overall is

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Speaker 4: I agree with all of these.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and you look, you're looking at teams.

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Speaker 4: That don't that will are usually pretty smart about not

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Speaker 4: using the franchise tag if they can help it, or

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Speaker 4: if there's another financial balance to be earned in another area.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at Devin Lloyd, who had a great year,

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Speaker 4: could be an extension candidate for that reason, whereas a

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Speaker 4: year ago he certainly was not.

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Speaker 3: But if James Gladstone operates.

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Speaker 4: At all like less need, which he has so far like,

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Speaker 4: they are going to stay as far away from the

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Speaker 4: franchise tag as they possibly can. And same goes for

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Speaker 4: a couple of these guys where you just can't see

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Speaker 4: it financially working out. You know, Mark Andrews, I think

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Speaker 4: he's at what thirteen million per year Greg, So there's

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Speaker 4: no way that they would also tag Isaiah likely and

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Speaker 4: and double up that much money at their tight end position.

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Speaker 3: As much as the.

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Speaker 4: Position has grown over the last couple of years in

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Speaker 4: how significant it's become in these offenses, it's just not

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Speaker 4: financially something they need to do with all these players

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Speaker 4: who are coming up, who are who can contribute early

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Speaker 4: as like a number two or three tight end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be interested if tight end market finally corrects itself,

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Speaker 1: because it does feel like for their value, they are

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Speaker 1: dramatically underpaid right now. And Devin Lloyd could be an

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Speaker 1: example for the linebackers. And yes, the linebackers get stuck

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Speaker 1: when it comes to franchise tag with a really huge number.

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Speaker 1: It's twenty eight point one million because they count TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt as a linebacker, so they basically all get thrown

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Speaker 1: in together.

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Speaker 2: So that's good.

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Speaker 1: That means more players ultimately won't get tagged and we'll

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Speaker 1: just get to the free agent market.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind that the regular season.

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Speaker 2: It is the regular season. Let's go all right. We

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Speaker 2: did it. We didn't get it under forty minutes, but

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Speaker 2: we did it.

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Speaker 4: Jordan, every time you tell me we're gonna do it

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Speaker 4: and this amount of time, I always just laugh at

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Speaker 4: you because I'm like, it's us, We're never gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: We will be back later this week. Forties and free

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Speaker 2: agents on Tuesday, and.

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Speaker 1: Then we're gonna go around all thirty two teams, Jordan

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Speaker 1: and myself and Patrick claibhand AFC NFC coming.

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Speaker 2: Up later this week. We will see you then regular

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Speaker 2: season it's back.