1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon, and today in the show, I'm joined by 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: Jeff Sturgis of white Tail Habitat Solutions to discuss what 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: he would do in a series of challenging deer hunting scenarios. 7 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: to you by First Late, and we're back today for 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 1: another one of our what would you do podcasts? If 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: you've heard these in the past, the basic just is this, 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna run our guests through a gauntlet of different, 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: very specific scenarios and ask them what they would do 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: in that situation. Why would they do that, how would 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: they do that? This might be something like, imagine it's 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: October fifteenth, and we've got this wind direction, we've got 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: these conditions, and you're in this state and this challenging 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: thing happens. Now what it's that kind of stuff. And 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: I've found over the last year and a half that 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: we've been doing these this gets us a different level 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: of insight into how these amazing deer hunters operate, how 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: they think how they go about deciding what to do 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: and how to do it. I personally have found these 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: to be some of the most valuable conversations I've had recently, 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that you feel the same way. In 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: today's guest, I think is going to be right up 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: there as far as the quality of all the other 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: what you Do podcasts that we've done, We've got Jeff Sturgis. 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: He's been on the podcast three times, maybe four times 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: over the last seven eight years. He's amazing. He is 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: the author of several books. He runs the website and 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: YouTube channel white Tail Habitat Solutions. He is a consultant. 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: He has a tremendous amount of experience on the habitat 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: management side and on the hunting side, whether that's private 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: land or public land. He's done at all. He's got 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: a great perspective on things. Uh. He hails from the 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Upper Midwest, but he's hunted elsewhere too. I think you're 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: really gonna enjoy this if you don't know Jeff yet, 38 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: this is a great introduction to him. And with that said, 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't have much else for you. I think we 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: should get into my conversation with the Jeff I've got 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: some questions for him that I know you were going 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: to be interested to hear his answer to. So thanks 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: for listening, and here we go. All right with me 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: now from the road in the middle of the god 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: awful traffic of Chicago, is Jeff Sturgis, Jeff, thank you 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: for being here. Oh it's my pleasure, Bark always always enjoyed. Jad. 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: What even if I'm driving to do that gauntlet of Chicago, 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: I know how painful that can be. So I I 49 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: recognize the sacrifice you were making right now to try 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: to balance that chaos with this conversation. So I appreciate 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: you making it all work. God, Yeah, no problem at all. 52 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: Where are you head? Were you heading towards you doing 53 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: a client visit? Is that right? Um? Actually going to 54 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: the hunt Wise you grew over in Grand Rapids. Uh there, 55 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: partner I worked with very closely. So I'm driving over there. 56 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: We have a dinner meeting tonight that we're eating a 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: bunch of videos in the morning, and I'm driving right back. 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: So kind of fifteen hours of round trip road traffic 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: over today and to farm nice. What do you what 60 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: do you do on a long road trip like that? 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: A lot of people maybe listen to podcasts, hopefully this podcast. 62 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: But but what do you do because you don't need 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: you don't need to learn anything from the wire Dune podcast, 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: So what do you do? Well? I do like listening 65 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: to podcast here and there. But one of the things 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: I do is this is a great time to actually 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: be on podcasts. So when I'm at home. A lot 68 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: of times people want to do podcast in the evening 69 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: or on a weekend because they're doing something else during 70 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the day. For for me, this is my full time career. 71 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: So I kind of like, you know, if I'm at 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: Whole Weither shooting video, I'm working on the property, I'm 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: spending time with family friends. So I really like, uh, 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: doing these while I'm driving helps pass the time. And 75 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: and then I talked to people in the industry and friends, 76 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: and so I think I'm on the phone usually when 77 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm traveling. Boy, uh two thirds of the time some 78 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: people of the time. Yeah, I'm right there with it. 79 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: It's a good time to get the phone calls taken 80 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: care of when when you don't really want to do 81 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: them otherwise and you've got to be in the field 82 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: or doing stuff like that. This is a great way 83 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: to make use of that road time. Oh it's a 84 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: really good way. So that's a and you know, like 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: with you, I always enjoyed making time for you and 86 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: making sure the sports sound. But um it does work 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: out really well if it sounds okay, if the h 88 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: do this well on the road. So I do I do. 89 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: I listen to my music, I have my sports talk 90 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: I like listening to. So there's there's all kinds of stuff, 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: but not mad. It's like my mobile office. I know, 92 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: it's a pretty nice situation. Um well, here's here's my 93 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: game plan for this, Jeff. And this might be unfair 94 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna run you through a gauntlet, and I'm 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: gonna run you through a gauntlet while you're already going 96 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: through a gauntlet. So that's that's probably not kind of me, 97 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: but but I've got confidence. It's kind of like a client. 98 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: You can imagine what time, face to face they hit 99 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: me at all, all kinds of questions. So yes, yes, 100 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: So so while you're dealing with the Chicago traffic, I'm 101 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: gonna run you through what we call the what would 102 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: you do? Gauntlet? We're basically I'm going to outline a 103 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: series of very specific situations and then you know, ask 104 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: you to explain to me what you would do in 105 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: that situation, in what your thought processes, why it was 106 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: that you would do this thing. Um, So we'll kind 107 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: of start with some habitat related things, move into some 108 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: hunting season related things, and and you know, as we 109 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: as we do often it is feel free to get 110 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: as deep into the weeds as you want. Um. You know, 111 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: there's there's never a detail that's too far as far 112 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. So I'm gonna lay out a story 113 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: for you and then I'm gonna pitch it to you 114 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: and then see what you think that's not okay, Okay, yeah, 115 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: that sounds really good. All right, I think we just 116 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: get right into it. So here's the first situation, Jeff. 117 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: Let's imagine that you own a forty acre square of property. 118 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: And let's say this is in north Ish Wisconsin, mostly 119 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: big timber. That part of Wisconsin's got a lot of 120 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: timber Northern Ish Wisconsin, and there's not a lot of 121 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: agriculture around. Maybe there's a field within a mile or two, 122 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: but you're you're not surrounded by it. And this is 123 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: your first this is your very first year owning it, 124 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: and you just bought it in the spring. Maybe it's 125 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: it's June or July. Maybe we'll say the summer when 126 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: you purchase it, so you get access to it in 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: June July, your very first month or two of preseason, 128 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: without knowing anything else, Assuming some basics, what's the very 129 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: first project or two you would tackle to try to 130 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: get this property ready to hunt, other than getting stands 131 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: up and stuff. If you could improve habitat and some 132 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: kind of quick way with this basic understanding of the area, 133 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: what do you think hypothetically you would tackle first? Let's uh, 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: I love that question because, um, you know, if you're 135 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: in a if that was in a northern Ohio area 136 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: where there's there's no cover, then you know, covers at 137 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: a premium and critical to address cover needs and you 138 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: still can't build a herd, but just cover. But in 139 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: an area like that, you know, whether there's not a 140 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: lot of cover northern Ohio, so the Michigan, northern Indiana, Illinois, 141 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: or southern Wisconsin, then uh, then you can get away 142 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: with utilize that cover and having a decent hunt. When 143 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: you get in more mixed agg area food plots and um, 144 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: and food becomes a lot more critical. And then when 145 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: you get into a northern area, UH, food is always 146 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: the most critical. And so what I like about an 147 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: area like that when you don't have agg and you 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: don't have quality food, than a quality food plot program. 149 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: You know it is in my area where I'm at 150 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: in southis Wisconsin and southeast Minnesota is critical and accepts 151 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: the foundation and movement. But up there, UM it's even 152 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: more so. And so my first step on a forty 153 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: like that is I would not have purchased it if 154 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't get food plots in um, whether 155 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: I was planning to hire a dozer and haven't come in. 156 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: But I would have bought a forty that is somewhat diverse, 157 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: probably had some open field cover or pasture or something 158 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: I could easily convert to food uh pretty quickly. And 159 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: so that would be the first step. And it's kind 160 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: of like you can't have food without access, so UM, 161 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: your food determines where your access your access, and how 162 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: you can hunt. The land determines where the food goes. 163 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: So it's hard to have one without the other. But 164 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: then that sets the entire foundation and movement that sets 165 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: up where betting area should go travel corridors, tree stands 166 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: and so. Um, just like I did in my new 167 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: property in Minnesota last year. The first steps for food 168 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: access once that's determined, Um, then stand locations and uh. 169 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: And then what I do is I put I put 170 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: a moch scraped by every stand location and if I 171 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: have the ability to put a trail camera at every 172 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: stand location too. So UM that's kind of the sequence. Um. 173 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: Just about anywhere, but up north where food is is scarest. Um, 174 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: you can really draw a deer and especially in the 175 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: dir box that will that have a tendency to travel 176 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: a lot further to find quality food and find quality 177 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: food that's not hunter pressured. Um. Then getting food and 178 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: is something that can make or break your season for 179 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: you just that first year. So it's not something that 180 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: takes years. Once you get that food in. That's a 181 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: calling cards that will extend for you know, a couple 182 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: of miles in any direction or more in an area 183 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: like that. So, so, knowing not much else, I'm giving 184 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: you a pretty vague situation here. Can you give me 185 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: any more detail on ideally how large of a plot 186 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: you'd want in that situation? Ideally, what you think you 187 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: would plant in that situation, UM anything of that. Yeah, 188 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: there's and so, and this depends on someone's resources to um. 189 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: You know, for me, my southwest Wisconsin person that I 190 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: hunt a lot um that's uh thirty acres to cover 191 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: fifty acre property and on that would get away with 192 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: and there's about fifteen acres of fields. There's horse pastures, 193 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, house buildings. But there um, I get away 194 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: with about two and a quarter acres of food food plot, 195 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: and I can offer something fairly diverse with a green base. 196 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, you know, a 197 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: Braska planet on one side will have oats feed and 198 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: peas late planet Rye on the other side all plantings 199 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: August or later. And but we have the complement of 200 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: agg lands. So what that means is that the the 201 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: food that I plant in a situation like that lasts 202 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: a lot longer because deer not feeding on that property, 203 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: typically under the cover of darkness throughout in the agg 204 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: fields is around there. When you go up north and 205 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: you don't have the compliment of those agg fields and 206 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: you don't have that quality food, you find that you 207 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: deer feed five times in the twenty four hour period. 208 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: As rhythmic pattern feeders, and you're familiar with rhythmic pattern 209 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: feeders with your kids, you know, young kids and when 210 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: their babies, I mean they're feeding what every two hours 211 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: three hours, and that you know that expands over time. 212 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: But with deer, they're right at that five hours or 213 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: every four four hours five hours, and they feed five 214 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: times a day. So when they're doing that in an 215 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: updoor setting, they hit your food plots a much higher 216 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: percentage of time out of those five times than they 217 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: would an agate agg area where you have to compliment 218 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: an agg at night and you're trying to make your 219 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: property more a daylight parcel. They're eating brows in their 220 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: betting areas, and they hit your food plot in the 221 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: afternoon for the third meeting of the day and then 222 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: at night a lot of times throughout in the surrounding agio. 223 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: So but when you go up north, she might get 224 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: one one and a half times that they're really appreciably 225 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: eating your food plot. We're up north, I've seen it 226 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: in some cases they're hitting your food plots five times 227 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: and that twice for our period. And so the two 228 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: and a quarter acres I get away with the southwkings content, 229 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: I like to expand that in the northern setting to 230 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: four or five acres on that forty. So there's no 231 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: set percentage of food plots that you'd have on any 232 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: parcels really based on the region. And what's interesting, you 233 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: could probably have half as many tier or a third 234 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: tier in a situation like that, and you're still gonna 235 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: need double the foods, you know, and with that, the 236 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: more diversity we need. They you have Braska, late planet Peas, 237 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: late planet beans, Oates, rye uh. Quite a few of 238 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: those are not very browser resistant. For example Braska Braska. Uh, 239 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: I've seen a rock fields and in the spring um 240 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: and a very large agg area with have a lot 241 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: of cover and just a good complement of act fields 242 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: and forges and southern or southern location. But then I've 243 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: seen him not make it to hunting season in northern 244 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: Michigan before soils and not a lot of deer. So 245 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: it really depends on, uh, you know, how many deer there. 246 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: But that's kind of a guestament. With that many acres, 247 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: I would try to get something diverse in there just 248 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: so I could offer something to the entire season. And 249 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: so that's that goes back to you. You really can 250 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: if you have one acres of plots that you're putting 251 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: it in two acres, then you can really go to 252 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: something more like layering Frye. I started doing that in 253 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: the northern setting just because it was more browse tolerant. 254 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: It's not a glamor crop. But again, if you have 255 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: more diversity, it's gonna eat a lot faster, especially with 256 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: some most not brows persistant varieties. So I really like, um, 257 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: if there is a potential of high browse pressure, then 258 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to do something like Player and Brian. What 259 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean by that is you're you're broadcasting a hundred 260 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: pounds per acre about a month before the first frost state, 261 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: let's say in the up of Michigan, which is used 262 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: at the first frostate, which used to mid September, and 263 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: and so mid August broadcasting a hundred pounds, and then 264 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: a hundred pounds more about three weeks later, and then 265 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: a hundred pounds after that towards the middle latter portion 266 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: of September. You're trying to space still. Space horizontally was 267 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: something that will continue to stay free even at the 268 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: stone freeze, all the way into all the way into 269 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: the end of seam. So that's that's what I look 270 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: at is you know, if I had to go with 271 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: something smaller, I would look at something more prows persistent, 272 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: like flaring rye, maybe starting out with the hime on 273 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: a piece and fite boats breaker a hundred pounds of 274 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: piece the pounds of boats and then I top dressed 275 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: that with two hundred pounds of rye maybe five weeks later, 276 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: or just a straight rye. And if I could get 277 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: that acre jump on that Wisconsin peace, that I'd look 278 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: at something a little bit more to first. Okay, So 279 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: so what about a reverse scenario. Let's take you out 280 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: of northern Wisconsin and let's take you to southern Michigan. 281 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: And instead of a lot of timber, now you're in 282 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: a lot of egg. It's mostly big, huge, wide open 283 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: agg fields. But again, you've got a forty acre square 284 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out how to make the 285 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: most of this in the month or so month and 286 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: a half or so you have because you closed on June, 287 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: late June, maybe it's July August, you've got a little 288 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: bit of time per season to make these few changes. Um, 289 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: what would you do in that scenario? Like the first project, 290 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: you would tackle on that scenario, I'm still I'm still 291 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: starting with food. Is that that's going to actually give 292 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: an attraction for the personal you know what's really without 293 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: a good food program on private land, I actually wouldn't 294 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: buy the land. That's what I just go on public 295 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: land because on public land I can actually find a 296 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: food source of the moment I get into remote area 297 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: and enjoy hunting. UM that that movement that that food 298 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: source stick taste privately and you have to offer that 299 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: food and and be good at it um or you're 300 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: not have that movement. So I would look at a 301 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: smaller amount of food um and then I would really 302 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: try to um gauge just that a little bit of time, 303 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: how many geer in the area, how many geer in 304 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the field, and if I'm looking at average amountity here 305 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: and I am going to plan it Abraska Base in 306 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: a situation like that where I might worry about that 307 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: basket not be eaten. And again the full reason I 308 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: like brasket. It's nutritious for deered, offer spot of moisture, 309 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: it's easy for them to digest, but it's uh it 310 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: can create a lot of volume quickly, and so something 311 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: that you can really target towards late after for November December. 312 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: So I put that on one half of the plot 313 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: for plots, saying I mean that we're looking at more 314 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: like a two ac or the three acre or scenario 315 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: for food and um. You know, if I had more, 316 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: i'd step that up to cord the following year if 317 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: I could, But just in that short period of time, 318 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: I'd look at um, you know, late plated picture of 319 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: beans and peace especially they're candy crops. So to establish 320 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: the pattern of use for those plots right off the bat, 321 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: that's something I've played around August first Southern Michigan and 322 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: on the other half, i'd play at brask And now 323 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: I'd want those two sides by side, not mixed together. 324 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: And the reason for that is you don't want to 325 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: mix them because boats fry weak can compete with Brassicas. 326 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: So you're just limiting the amount of volume between having 327 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: your plots. You're taking from the Braska, you're taking from 328 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: the rye and wheats and actually be shaded out by Braska. 329 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: So they're just fighting each other to separate that out 330 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: uh them apart because you're trying to maximize the amount 331 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: of volume you can have in that given space. They're 332 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: working with making yourself as efficient as possible starting with that. 333 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: You know, I look at planking that um, that combination, 334 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: but I started with wheat control right off the bath. 335 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at how can I eliminate meats 336 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: because we need food plots during the summer, might be 337 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, more of an attraction on a scale of 338 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: attraction for year overall, because they're like diversity. But when 339 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: all those wats die in August September, they just take 340 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: from your food plots and they can turn on two 341 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: acre food plot into a quarter acre of food due 342 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: to wheat pressure and competition, and so really addressing wheat 343 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: concerns um, you know, and some people, if you don't 344 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: believe the chemicals, you can try uh disking or killing 345 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: the ground several times in a row to do that. UM. 346 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: I prefer the chemical route just because then I don't 347 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: have to use or buy heavy equipment and a big tractor, 348 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: and it's a lot easier to spray, and I use 349 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: a lot of rotations, um, you know, going forward to 350 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: try to limit my use to chemicals build the soil 351 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: at the same time. But um, but I really would 352 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: look at weeds, UM getting those food spots established and 353 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: establishing that pattern of use right off the bat now 354 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: early August extending to September. You really want those food 355 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: possibly do it very well by the middle of September 356 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: and the September here was during the area getting used 357 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: to it. And then that food establishes, especially if there's 358 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: food and it's adjacent to good betting opportunity, they're going 359 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: to hold those against that food source. And then if 360 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: you have enough room left over your lat box behind 361 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: those doors and too locations on your property so then 362 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: you can aunt, then you morning stands back by buck 363 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: betting areas for the rot pre rot and rot maybe 364 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: even opening dack on season on November siveteenth in Michigan 365 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: or UM. You're looking at evening hunting on the way 366 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: to food or closer to food and uh. But really 367 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: starting with food establishes that entire pattern of use and 368 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: you're hunting assemblage. Now here's the the worst case scenario. Though. 369 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: You know, food is so important to this program that 370 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: you're outlining. But what about this situation, which is something 371 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: that I've called you and talked to you about in 372 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: past years, and it's something that so many of us dread. 373 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: But what if we go into the late summer with 374 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: the game plan like you just described. We plant our 375 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: fall food plots, let's say August, and there's great rain forecast, 376 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: and we get our Braskas in the ground, and we 377 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: get some cereal grains in the ground, whatever it might be, 378 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: and it looks good. We get in the ground, but 379 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: then that rain that was forecasted for tonight ends up 380 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: just being a little drizzle, and then tomorrow it's gone. 381 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing, and the next day there's nothing, and the 382 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: next week there's nothing. In two weeks, three weeks goes 383 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: by and no no rain appears. What do you do 384 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: in that situation when you plan on August get a 385 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: little bit of rain in the front, and then it's 386 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: a drought for three weeks and now you're into September 387 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: opening days October one, and it's I don't know, September 388 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: fifte or something, and you've got nothing coming out of 389 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: the ground. What do you do? Then? The really cool 390 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: thing about that is you just don't have to worry 391 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: about it. It's not it's uh, there's you know, try 392 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: to get that out of your mind. Like so many 393 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: people just stressed out about that loose sleep and that 394 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: was my Wisconsin last year that it was the first 395 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: time I had abraska failure due to a due to 396 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: drought um anywhere, but in Wisconsin since two thousand to two. 397 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: First time, So it's not very common this happens, especially 398 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: if you can pay attention to when you actually put 399 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: the brass in the ground. For example, you're saying August 400 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: twenty four, Well, if there's really good rains, I target 401 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: around August one. But if there's really good rains the 402 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: end of July, I'll stick it in before that rain 403 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: if I can. Um. If there's no rain in the forecast, 404 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: I'll wait till the fifteenth of August. So there's a 405 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: little bit of gray area there for when you plant 406 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: and paying attention to the rain. But once that fails, 407 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: and most of the time, I'd say on most properties 408 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: that fails more because the deer eating down to the 409 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: dirt and there's a lot of complexities to go into 410 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: that too. But but really you're looking at if you 411 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: figured out it failed in early September in southern Michigan, UH, 412 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: mid September in southern Ohio, southern UH, Indiana, Illinois, d Kentucky, 413 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: then you're putting about two pounds of winter rye right 414 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: over the top of your failed food plot. And if 415 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: there's still um soil exposure towards the end of September 416 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: early October, you can add another hundreds to two hundred 417 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: pounds of winter rye right over the top of that. 418 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: And so it sounds like a lot of seed, But 419 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: at that point you're trying to fill space horizontally, not vertically, 420 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: and so you're just offering a fresh, young carpet of rye. 421 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: Do you love it? When you started to interrupt, Jeff, 422 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: But when you say covering things horizontally versus vertically, some 423 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: people might not understand what you mean. What do you 424 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: mean by horizontal versus vertical coverage? What do I mean 425 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: by that? Is like a typical rye planting would be 426 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: about a hundreds a hundred ten pounds per acres, same 427 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: with wheats, maybe even oats, And so you plant that 428 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: early and that's going to offer a lot of height. 429 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: But those stems are spaced out every two, three or 430 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: four inches, so you're really not filling space between stems, 431 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of open, bare soil. So 432 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: when you plant late um and you plan for that. 433 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: It's and it's good to plant late. It's better because 434 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: then you can plant more seed. You're not looking for 435 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: seed head production in the future. You're not harvesting this 436 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: the following year, so you're looking at uh multiple stems, 437 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: so your your stems per square inch is much higher, 438 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: three or four times higher than a traditional planting. And 439 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: in that way, you're feeling space horizontally. Mean you're just 440 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: stem after stem after stem. So when you stand over 441 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: the field looks like a thought. You know that a 442 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: lawn instead of um. A field where there's a stem 443 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: every three or four inches, so you see less of 444 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: the soil um and in that way, it's it's a fresh, 445 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: young crop. Dear love. Rye wheat even oates when it's 446 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: young and uh and so you're taking that low, lush, 447 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: lush carpet into the hunting season. That's very attractive and 448 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: it gives the deer a mouthful every time they take 449 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: a bite, so it's not just um and and you 450 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: can't do that early. For example, That's why I say 451 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: you if you're layering rye and we're talking winner rye, fall, rye, 452 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: rye grain, not right grass. But you're That's why if 453 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: you're doing that and you're layering, layering it, you're starting 454 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: about a month before the first frost state here area 455 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: with just a hundred pounds. You don't want to put 456 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: three pounds down in that first that first hip because 457 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: you're going to uh fill that space with a lot 458 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: of growth that is not fresh and not tender, and 459 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: and you're really not um. You know, it's almost like 460 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: they are competing for nutrients at that point, and so 461 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna limit the amount of attractive forge you have 462 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: where if you layer that a hundred pounds hunder pounds 463 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: hunter pounds, that layer down to the bottom is always 464 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: fresh and tenor that middle layers okay, and then that 465 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: upper layers. You're really trying to fill that space that 466 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: you have as much as possible. And that's where the rye. 467 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: Whether you had a plot failure because deer overbrowsed it 468 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: or um because that it actually failed thue to drought, 469 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: you can still save the season. And I just look 470 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: at it like, yeah, it's a little bit of extra 471 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: money for the seed um and more time for playing thing. 472 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: But it's so easy just broadcasts that I use the 473 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: handway or earthway handheld spreader, just a bag spreader. Um. 474 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: And and so it's easy to put out. You just 475 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: have to pay attention to see where your plots are 476 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: at early September to mid September. But um, I tried 477 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: to just not worry about it, you know, That's that's 478 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: what I had to do. Last year in Wisconsin was crazy, 479 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: just fifteen minutes apart from Minnesota, and we had great 480 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: rains in Minnesota and it was a real drought factor 481 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: in August into early September in Wisconsin. So just I 482 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: threw about three or four pounds awry over and two 483 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: different plantings total, and uh and just had a really 484 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: stick covering a rhyme, enjoyed the season, still had deer 485 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: hitting it and uh, you know, not the volume or 486 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: diversity i'd like, but at that point you just can't 487 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: worry about it. And the cool thing is we're not 488 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: like farmers where we're harvesting this and we we have 489 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: to rely on, uh for you know, for a living 490 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: and to feed our family. We're just feeding deer and 491 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: just get something green on there. And you know, you 492 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: can try with different and that's even like you're up 493 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: in like that first scenario in northern Wisconsin where we 494 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: try to have a diverse planting in three or four acres. 495 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: But if the deer eat it to the ground or 496 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: we have drought, just throw rye on it and enjoy 497 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: the season. So in that scenario, when you're broadcasting your 498 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: top seating that rye that went a rye, do you 499 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: have to time that with a special set of weather circumstances, 500 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: like you need to do it just before rain or 501 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: do you just put it down when you can and 502 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: it will germanate next time there's rain and you don't 503 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: need to worry too much, Like what's your process in 504 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: this kind of emergency scenario I'm getting I'm just getting 505 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: the rye on the ground when I can. The good 506 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: The great thing about rise it's very um it's a 507 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: very resistancy to draw it. Um conditions were even cold. 508 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: They've had a german ate now and I think Michian 509 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: State University to study were germanated down to thirty seven 510 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: degree soil temperature, so growing very cold circumstances. I've actually 511 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: had a german at in early October in the up 512 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: Michigan and that was after three or four inches of 513 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: snow on opening day. UM of October. I spread that 514 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: riot into September, it melted over a week period. It 515 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: got back up in the sixties and seventies, and that 516 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: melting snow actually germinated the rye. It's it's a very 517 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: hardy seed. Unlike clover or brastica. Those tiny little seeds 518 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: dry out quickly if they half germanate, and then you 519 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: don't get your rain, will just die immediately, where rye 520 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: is very very hearty. So UM, I would look at 521 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: more just getting it on the ground at that point. 522 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: And the great thing about August and September and October, 523 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: as rain and moisture only increases as you go into November, 524 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: so it's it's on the increase at that time, not 525 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: the decrease. August can be spotty with thundershowers, but once 526 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: you get into September October, rains or range are definitely coming. Okay, 527 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: all right, So let's just move this scenario forward a 528 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: little bit further, and let's say you managed to get 529 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: your first year of food plots and improvements in and 530 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: they actually performed wonderfully. You had the kind of deer 531 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: sightings and deer use you were hoping for. Um it 532 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: worked out great but you noticed one thing, and the 533 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: one negative thing you noticed was that your neighbors on 534 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: all three sides of this square. Let's say you've got 535 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: road frontage on one side and then neighbors on the 536 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: other three sides of your forty acre square. All your 537 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: neighbors found out that you were making a bunch of 538 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: improvements and that deer really like to hang out in 539 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: your property, and so all of them started posting up 540 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: right on the property line, and you were noticing deer spooking. 541 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: You were seeing neighbors walking the property line, you saw 542 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: ladder stands right on the edge, etcetera, etcetera. You fast 543 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: forward to year two, knowing what the neighbors were doing 544 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: in that situation, how would you change things or what 545 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: would you modify r or what might you do to 546 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: account for neighbors that were trying to crowd your little 547 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: piece of heaven that you created. Well, the good thing 548 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: is is that um box in general, and uh, you know, 549 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: especially if you look at those they might move fifty 550 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: hundred yards during the daylight on on an average day 551 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: during the entire season, especially if they have the food 552 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: and the cover that they want. And that's what you're 553 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: trying to do a box in that situation where there's 554 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: not a lot of cover. He might only move one 555 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: to three hundred yards during daylight. And I'm not talking 556 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: about his three mile home range. It's mostly at night. 557 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: It's during the daylight. And if he has that food 558 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: and he has those conditions on your land, what I 559 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: find is when those neighbors start to pack it in 560 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: around you, then those deer heighten their movements or daily movements. 561 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying that you can hold a 562 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: dozen mature box on your land, but you can really 563 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: have them focus on your land during daylight, especially that 564 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: afternoon feeding. And when that happens, you you take your 565 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: neighbors out of the out of the scenario quite a bit. 566 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: And what I do to a situation like that is 567 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: where if I cabin in the middle of property or 568 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: something like that. But in general, UM, I'm actually seeing 569 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: around my borders a lot, and so that helps me 570 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: preserve a high percentage of the forty acres that they own, 571 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: make payments on, pay taxes on. That allows me to 572 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: develop that core area in the center. UM. I really 573 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: like offering. You know, in a case like that, let's 574 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: say you had food in the middle of the forty 575 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: it's not a very valuable forty acre personal because you 576 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: only have about two hundred and fifty yards at depth 577 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: before you hit your neighbor's borders. You're expecting to hold dose, fawn, 578 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: junk bucks, old bucks, and two hundred fifty yards at depth, 579 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: and it's just I'm sorry, a hundred fifty yards depth 580 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: and it's just not possible. And so I'm looking at 581 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: and even a twenty acre personal that has food all 582 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: towards the front, that'll have more depth three yards at depth. 583 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is you're putting five 584 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: acres of food. Say a rectangle twenty acre personal is 585 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: two hundred twenty yards by four hundred forty yards. Le's 586 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: say it's a rectangle running north and south. If you 587 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: put all that food on the south side, close to 588 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: the road and you can get around it without spooking deer, 589 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: now you have over three yards at depth to the 590 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: back of your parcel. You have a lot of room 591 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: to hold deer. And so if you're accessing around your 592 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: border that case and your food to one side, then 593 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: it allows you to extend a lot of depth through 594 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: your property. And that's where it becomes critical and you're 595 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: not bisecting your property and walking through the middle of 596 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: it and spooking deer from either side depending on which 597 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: way the wind's will and you're trying to conserve as 598 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: many core acres as possible that relate to that food. 599 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: Let's say acres acrest you have that exterior access road. 600 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: If your neighbors won't, they're not coming through your land 601 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: to get there, which means they're coming through their their land. 602 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: And what I find is if they have a box 603 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: that's spending on their land wants to hit your food 604 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: every day, that bux just tightens his window of daylight 605 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: movement onto your land, and so he takes that neighboring 606 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: hunting pressure out of the equation. You know, in case 607 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: like that, you're gonna be limited as far as how 608 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: older box you can produce. Um. You know that's all 609 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: relative older buck. It might be if there's high high 610 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: hunting pressure, you might be looking to shoot it two 611 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: or three old buck every year, and that'd be great. Um, 612 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: if there's lower hunting pressure and you don't have a 613 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: scenario where they're on all sides, maybe you can actually 614 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: find a three to four year old buck every single year, 615 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: even in southern Michigan. But you're you're still doing what 616 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: you can to reach that um that bucket structure potential 617 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: on your land based on the constraints you have to 618 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: work with, so accessing around your borders, making sure the 619 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: food is located to one side, primarily so you could 620 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: extend the depth into the parcel, and then working on 621 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: the deer habitat within the parcel. That's stage two that 622 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: choose it. The second here where you're working on cutting 623 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: and habitat so that you're layering those um those formations 624 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: of quality betting cover so that you're separating deer more 625 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: and you're giving them the illusion that this parcel is 626 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot bigger than it actually is. For example, the 627 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: opposite of that would be just fourty acres open with 628 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: are hardwood. You can see all the way through it 629 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: with just an inches snow on the ground in November, 630 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: where if you have those cuttings and you have those 631 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: different habitat features, then you can actually um create a 632 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: situation where deer feel comfortable only betting a hundred yards 633 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: away from a food source because there's so many layers 634 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: of cover to get to that point that they don't 635 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: see each other. They might smell each other, they might 636 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: hear each other, but they can feel like they have 637 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: their own space. So there's a lot of things you 638 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: can do to still improve your property and just kind 639 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: of take your your neighbors out of the out of 640 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: the equation. Yeah, one of the main things you talked 641 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: about right there was access, and I wonder about how 642 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: you would handle a challenging access kind of monkey wrench 643 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: thrown into the gears here. What if you had a 644 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: property like this that you improved, and and maybe even 645 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: before you improved it, it it had a lot of great 646 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: things going for it. It It had great cover, It had 647 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: some great food sources already and places where you could 648 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: add more. So you were able to really fine tune 649 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: it the way you wanted to and provide everything these 650 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: deer would want to hang out on your property a 651 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: lot except one downside, And the downside of this is 652 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: that this property only offers access from the west, and 653 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: so with the predominant winds that you get in southern 654 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: Michigan or wherever this is, you're getting a lot of 655 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: those west northwest southwest winds throughout most of the hunting season, 656 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: and that means that most of the time you're trying 657 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: to get in there, your wind is is blown right 658 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: in there where you want to go. So in that situation, 659 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: would you would you avoid and actually let me let 660 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: me let me. Yeah, that's right. I think I'm describing 661 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: this correctly. Would you avoid purchasing a property like that 662 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: at all? That would blow into No, I'm getting this wrong. 663 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: I think it's the opposite. What I'm trying to describe 664 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: is that the cop did I get. Yeah, Yeah, if 665 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: you're coming in in the last year predominant in our 666 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: west and you know, in most cases like that, you 667 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: can still you can still go up to your north 668 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: line or yourself line, you know, to come in. Um, 669 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: even if you can't start that point you have to 670 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: angle over. And so then UM, I'm making those habitat 671 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: improvements accordingly. And a lot of times, like if the 672 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: road is on the west side, then I'm trying to 673 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: position that food source um or those food sources as 674 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: close to the west border as possible, but not so 675 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: close that I can't moving in park without spooking deer 676 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: or access to cabin or a trailer. And then also 677 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: I want to be able to get around that food 678 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: on the north and south side, so that way, if 679 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: i'm there's it's it's hardly ever straight west the wind. 680 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: And so if it's just has a subtily component, I 681 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: mean I'm walking in on the north side, and as 682 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: a northerly component, I'm walking in on the south side. 683 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: And in that case, I'd rather have the food close 684 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: to the road because that food offers a stopping point. Um. 685 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm not running a line of food that go extends 686 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: to the road. They get hit on the road, but 687 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm putting a big patch of food there so that 688 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: I can get around it. And then the deer have 689 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: to move from the east side of the property all 690 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: the way across my own property to get to that 691 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: food source. And then I can hunt those lines of 692 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: movement where if I get around that food in the morning, 693 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: I can go all the way to the back on 694 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: the east side way for deer to come back to 695 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: me in the form of box in those further spending areas, 696 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: or I can hunt the sides or even at the 697 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: food source in the afternoon evening as dear moving to 698 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: that food. Um, and more predictable afternoon movement to that 699 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: food because I have a hunter pressured it, and they're 700 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 1: getting there about an hour before dark, you know, half 701 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: hour or at dark in the case of the box. Okay, 702 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: So in that case, you know, as long as I 703 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: could cut up to the north and get around or 704 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: cut cut down to the south where where I see 705 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: problems or people running into problems. And then it boils 706 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: down to how good the area is, um and you 707 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: know what type of hunting pressure there is general in 708 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: the area. But there must be a big swamp south 709 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: side that cuts off the lower ten acres and so 710 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 1: you you can't move through there on the south side, um, 711 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: And so really it pinches all your movements up to 712 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: the north. And so I run into scenarios like that 713 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: sometimes where then you just have to figure out where 714 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: you can put food, how it relates to your land 715 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: and your neighbor's land, and how you can actually get 716 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: around your property that was spooking deer and your improvements. 717 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people's improvements are getting in the way, 718 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: and it's hard. You know, I come and looking at 719 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: a black and white people have problems. So I look 720 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: at it um as if there's a food source that's 721 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: allowing tear to pattern you more than them just get 722 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: rid of the food source or shrink it. I didn't 723 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: have to screen it better something. You know, there's some 724 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: people that I've talked to who look at a scenario 725 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: like that and they say that they will embrace the 726 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: impact they make. And they'll say, Okay, I know that 727 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: deer will know I'm here, so I'm always going to 728 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: walk the same access path or the same I take 729 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: the same route every single time, So dear, just get 730 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: used to the fact that there's always human activity on 731 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: this route, and they eventually accept it. And then you 732 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: stick to that and they almost patterned that behavior. That's okay, 733 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: But then you branch off of that and drop into 734 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: other places where they're not expecting you and you avoid 735 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: rather than a bunch of different access routes all over 736 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: the place that are all unexpected, that always spooked it 737 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: right away. And I don't know, is that general idea? 738 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you at all? Or does 739 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: that seem counterintuitive? Um? What are your thoughts on that? Um? 740 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: Extremely counter intuitive if you actually want to be the 741 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: neighborhood influencer and shoot mature box on a consistent basis. 742 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not talking about one every three or 743 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: four years. I'm talking about shooting eight of the target 744 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: box in the area over a ten year period. And 745 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: so you have to give them that space where they 746 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: have the illusion, because if you it's no I'm all 747 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: for that. If it's extra your access roads, but not 748 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: through the middle of the proper because they never get 749 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: used to it. A mature buck never gets used to it. 750 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: If you're hunting two or three year old box to 751 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: Lower Michigan, then a portion of those two year olds 752 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: might might get used to it. The three year olds won't. 753 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: But if you step up to um an area that 754 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: has four or five year old bucks, they won't put 755 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: up with that in any way. So it really depends 756 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: on what you want to get out of your hunting land, 757 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: and deer will never get used to you coming in 758 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: or out unless you're in a state like Kansas or Iowa, 759 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: would I refer to as s fantasy land states. And 760 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: in those areas like Kansas, they have twenty five bow hunters. 761 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: I think Iowa has sixty five bow hunters. Michigan and 762 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: over four hundred thousand bow hunters at one time. So 763 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: the amount of pressure you can apply in some of 764 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: these other states, UM is a lot different than you 765 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: can apply in all white tail areas and and so 766 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: what you do down there, it can't be translated into say, 767 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: a higher pressure state. At the same time, even in 768 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: those areas, you probably have six or seven year old bucks, 769 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: and so you know, you might be content with shooting 770 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: four or five year old monster Bucks. But if you 771 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: really want to step your game up to those oldest 772 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 1: bucks in the neighborhood, even in an area like Kansas 773 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: or Iowa, you're gonna have to really play to a 774 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: different tune where dear, just settle on the fact that 775 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: you're never going to get used to other than those bonds, 776 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: and maybe some young bucks they'll get used to it, 777 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: kind of like you drive a four wheler by and 778 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: here stand up and watch you um. And you can 779 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: even extend that. Uh. I know some of the guides 780 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: and outfitters in the Buffalo County are in Wisconsin. They 781 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: kill a lot of their bocks by um driving hunters 782 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: to stands, but they also only experience about success rate 783 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: overall with their clients. I expect to have success rate 784 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: every single year. So my expectations are a lot higher 785 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: for myself than than putting up with just you know, 786 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: no one there's good bucks in the area, you bump one, 787 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: another one comes in, and you get one every three 788 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: or four years. Yeah, I would love to be in 789 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: this situation. Shouldn't you describe there where there's six and 790 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: seven year old bucks and you have to settle for 791 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: a four or five year old every year? That would 792 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: be great. I would. It's funny I go to clients 793 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: and some of those areas because I have clients I've 794 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: I've had one in Glord, Michigan where they hadn't seen 795 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: an antler buck in seven years during the daylight. Um, 796 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: so they literally had not seen a pockets their hunting 797 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: group for seven years. So that's the bottom of the barrel. 798 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: And then I'll have clients and uh some of those 799 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: uh fantasy land states and they're looking at Yeah, they've 800 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: been doing great on the four and five year olds 801 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: and seeing them hundred fifties, sixty, even a seventy. But 802 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: there's those one and people say, like, you know, two 803 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: inch buck is rare, But I know a lot of 804 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: different states in areas where um hunters and landowners are 805 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: seeing two dred inch plus year every single year, and 806 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: so it's not it seems like a pipe cream, but 807 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: it really isn't. There are a lot more common. It's 808 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: just in those areas they just have to at the 809 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: age and a high percentage or fall into that category 810 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: a lot higher than you think. But even then, um, 811 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: a lot of those clients are hiring me because they 812 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: want to step up their game. You know they have 813 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: those It it's no different than if you're happy shooting 814 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: two or three year olds of Michigan and then you 815 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 1: notice that some of your neighbors are starting to pick 816 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: off some four year olds and you think, man, I 817 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: just want to do things different, so why I can 818 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: start tapping into those a little bit. Yeah, So let's 819 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: let's move into this hunting season situation here. Let's say 820 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: you've got your property. Let's say it's uh why, but 821 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: that is the least it's the least property. It's something 822 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: you've been able to kind of spend a little bit 823 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: of time on. It's in pretty good shape. And throughout 824 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: the summer, late summer into September, you've been getting daylight 825 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: trail camera pictures of a good mature buck that you 826 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: would love to get a crack app and he's moving 827 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: in daylight here and there early September, you get a 828 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: little bit of him in mid September, you get a 829 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: little bit of him in late September daylight. But you 830 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: get to opening day and I guess we'll use one 831 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: of those states that having October one opener, like Michigan 832 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 1: or wherever. And you get to just before opening day, 833 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: and you've been very excited because he's been moving in 834 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: daylight leading up to the opening day, and then the 835 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: day before the opener, a heat wave appears, and now 836 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: September it's eighty degrees, and then the forecast says that 837 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: October one is going to be seventy seven degrees, in 838 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: October two is gonna be seventy six degrees, and you 839 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: see that the first couple of days of the season 840 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: are not looking so good for what we would hope 841 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: as far as weather conditions for big buck movement. At 842 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: the same time, though, you also know that, man, I 843 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: know all my neighbors are going to start hunting on 844 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: October one, and there will be out there hitting it. 845 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: So you've got two thoughts in your mind. One side 846 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: of you says, wow, I should wait until the hot 847 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: weather dissipates and save my hunts for one of the 848 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: conditions are a little bit better the other side of you, 849 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: says man. Every day, I wait, there's more and more 850 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: pressure around me, and this buck that was moving in 851 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: daylight in September is going to get spooked and turn 852 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,919 Speaker 1: nocturnal or hang out just by his bedroom. What would 853 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: you do in that situation, Jeff? Would you hunt opening 854 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: night even though it's gonna be warm because you want 855 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: to take advantage of that first night of the season, 856 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: or would you wait until the first front moves through 857 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: or weather improves a little bit. That's a really good question. 858 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,240 Speaker 1: I love that question a lot, and it really depends 859 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: on the hunting pressure around me and how I how 860 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: safely I feel I can get in and out of 861 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 1: a stand. So say, for example, um, likely because of 862 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: the heat, he's not gonna be moving early. And at 863 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 1: the same time, if I can get into a position 864 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: where I'm taking advantage of food source movements or water 865 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: hole or something um even back in the woods, if 866 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,879 Speaker 1: I feel I can go hit that stand and not 867 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: leave a really good presence on the land um or footprints, 868 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: then I'm definitely going in and try to hunt that deer. 869 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: All boils down to where I think that deer is 870 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: coming from. And I look at it too. Again, I'm 871 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: looking at like you know I have in Wisconsin, for example, 872 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: I have a lot of neighboring hunting pressure. Um, and 873 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: those guys really don't have. Those hunters don't really have 874 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: much of an impact on the daylight movement that I 875 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: have on my own personally, even though it's only thirty eight, 876 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: Because my food plots are daylight plots, my bedding areas 877 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: are daylight plots. The mocks creates, the travel bourridors everything 878 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: that they're moving on in that personal they can ventiate 879 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: even more when pressure comes that my my property is 880 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: even more daylight. Those big boxes, mature bucks still have 881 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: to move during daylight. Um, there's still feeding five times 882 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: in twenty four our period. They're on their feet those 883 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: five times. And so I'm looking at like, if there's 884 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: not really that much impact to those that hunting pressure around, 885 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: especially piece daylight focusing on my land, and I've done 886 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: my my job to do that, and so really that 887 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: boils down to um, if I feel I need that 888 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: front to get him to move early enough for me 889 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: to go into that stand and actually hunt them, then 890 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,359 Speaker 1: I'll wait for that cold front. If not, then I'm 891 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: going in there and sitting as soon as possible, with 892 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: the thought that I'm not going to have a great 893 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 1: amount of impact on future hunts by honey a stand 894 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: that might be kind of iffy on percentages of chance 895 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: based on the hot weather in four one. Yeah, alright, 896 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: So let's take it one step further. Then. Let's say 897 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: that you decide that you need to wait for the 898 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: front because of those conditions and because of the way 899 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: your property sets up, and the front is going to 900 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: hit on October seven, the evening of October seven, maybe 901 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: just after dark, the peak of that's going to push through. 902 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: And you're thinking to yourself, Okay, cold fronts coming through. 903 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: It's October seven, and this is gonna be great. Problem is, 904 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: your wife says, things are really crazy right now at home, 905 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: and I do not want you spending a bunch of 906 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: time in the woods. You've got one hunt over the 907 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: next week, You've got one sit otherwise. You need to 908 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: be at home helping out with stuff. So you could 909 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: hunt that that evening that the front hits, you could 910 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: hunt the morning after, you could hunt the evening after, 911 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 1: you could hunt the next day. You've got one sit 912 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: morning or evening. What sit would you pick for your 913 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,879 Speaker 1: best chances given the light amount of information I'm giving you, 914 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: how would you approach that? So that time of year, 915 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: I'm typically not hunting morning stands unless it's a long 916 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: movement coming back from agg fields with no hunting pressure. 917 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: And I feel, just by little scouting into all that 918 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: those boxes are hitting their bedding areas late just because 919 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,240 Speaker 1: they're taking a long time and go through a fairly 920 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: safe habitat and get back to their beds that they 921 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,879 Speaker 1: want to bed in back in the woods, somewhere back 922 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,879 Speaker 1: in the cover. And so I'm not hunting a lot 923 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: of morning situations, and I don't really have a lot 924 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: of good morning early season stands on either my property 925 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,919 Speaker 1: in Minnesota or Wisconsin until it gets about October twenty 926 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: in the pre rock Baby I eighteen and so um 927 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:08,959 Speaker 1: right away, I'm starting to uh migrate towards evening and 928 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 1: and looking at evening hunt and if I had a 929 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: couple of evenings that choose from maybe the front's going 930 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,800 Speaker 1: throughout one, I'm always looking for the first clearing conditions 931 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: after the front goes through, meaning that I don't really 932 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: care what the barre metric pressure is because there could 933 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: be another front coming through four days later and the 934 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: pressure is down um or it could be that it 935 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: just cleared out completely in the pressures pressure is high. 936 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: But if we just had a temperature drop of at 937 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,320 Speaker 1: least seven to ten degrees or greater, And it seems 938 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: like the greater the front, the more volatility there is 939 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: in the weather, meaning higher wind speeds, maybe thunderstorms, lightning, snowstorms, sleet, hail, rain, 940 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: but there's there's more of an extremity of weather factor. 941 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: So I'm looking for that all blow through. I don't 942 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: care if the winds go from thirty to fifteen min 943 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: fifteen down to five. I'm just looking for that time 944 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: when everything's broken and everything's broken through, meaning in the weather, 945 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: it's cleared up, and then that's that time that I'm 946 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: hitting that stands. So I'm really watching those winds at 947 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: that point. So if that first evening opportunity, let's say 948 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: the weather went through or is going through right then 949 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: and it's still at you know, the peak winds or 950 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: at um, and then the next evening they're gonna be 951 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: down to seven to twelve and it's cooling. That next 952 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,439 Speaker 1: evening there's no chance of rain thunderstorms, then I'm I'm 953 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: definitely taking that evening when they when the conditions of 954 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: uh somewhat cleared. You know, like I said, it doesn't 955 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: mean that there's calm winds. I'd actually prefer a little 956 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: bit of wind because then with some assemblage of wind, um, 957 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,880 Speaker 1: whether it's five miles eight miles an now it's more dependable. 958 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: And I think your moved. When it is more dependable too, 959 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: there's less varience. So so anyways, I'm just looking for 960 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: those conditions to clear, the wind to subside a little bit. 961 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: That temperatures definitely bottomed out, and then that's where I 962 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,879 Speaker 1: kill a lot of my dear, a majority of my box. 963 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: Whether it was the morning after that happened in the ruts, 964 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: I really focus on mornings then or the evening m 965 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: after that weather went through UM in the early season 966 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 1: in October lall late season for feeding source or food 967 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: source opportunities hunting office. Okay, you kind of answered my 968 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: next question, but I'd love for you to go into 969 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more detail, which is same question, but 970 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 1: changed the date from October seven to November seven. You 971 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: only can pick one sit, is it the morning after. 972 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. Yeah, definitely the morning after. 973 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,959 Speaker 1: So there's even you know people will say bucks move 974 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 1: all day, middle of our middle of the day, and 975 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: you know you see that, but you have to rest too, 976 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: and typically the resting in the heat of the day. 977 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: Um nice. I think a lot of times where you 978 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: have high hunting pressure, you'll see a lot of deer 979 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: moving the middle of day just because someone bumped them 980 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: from a half mile away when they get out of 981 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: the stand, and so we might want to sit a 982 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,719 Speaker 1: little bit longer, but we're seeing a big drop off 983 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,799 Speaker 1: and deer activity um on unpressured properties during the peak 984 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,719 Speaker 1: rot like that between one and two and three and four. 985 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: Let's say it's getting dark at five thirty, so you 986 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: have a little bit of window of movements in the evening. 987 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: A boy, I've seen some outstanding I've had some great 988 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: sits Where've seen ten twelve box up till one o'clock 989 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 1: in the afternoon and it was just all morning long, 990 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: and so I'm really focused. I think there's in those times, um, 991 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 1: if you're back by those betting areas, you're not sitting 992 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,879 Speaker 1: on a food store somewhere or a food plot. You're 993 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,399 Speaker 1: actually near their betting areas off to the side, down 994 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,320 Speaker 1: wind between betting areas on a funnel. But UM, really 995 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: you get several hours out out standing hunting uh from 996 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 1: daybreak to uh. UM, you know, twelve one, one thirty 997 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: something like that. We had a time where we hunted 998 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 1: four days during the rut. We sat dark to dark. 999 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: This would have been going back to maybe two thousand three, 1000 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: and we saw between the two of us proximately twenty 1001 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: four twenty six different bucks during that time, and we 1002 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: did not see one buck between eleven thirty and one. 1003 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 1: It was just because it's you know, it's teams twenty 1004 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 1: during the morning and had warm up to five during 1005 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: the day that bucks were just taking a rest and 1006 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: then we'd see a little bit of flurry of activity 1007 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: last hour or two of day length. So if you 1008 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: want to maximize your time, even just a half step, 1009 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,399 Speaker 1: UM definitely focused on those mornings. In fact, I'd choose 1010 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: a morning hunt like that if I had to just 1011 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: pick one day for the entire four months season besides 1012 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,320 Speaker 1: opening day a gun season, because I love the tradition 1013 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: of that. UM, then I'd pick one of those days 1014 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: in early November A morning step. Let's rewind a little 1015 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 1: bit and let's go back into midish October. Let's say 1016 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: we're in the window that a lot of people referred 1017 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: to as the October law. Let's say October to give 1018 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,400 Speaker 1: or take. And you head out there for an evening 1019 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,319 Speaker 1: hunt on one of your spots, and you notice that 1020 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: there is a doll getting chased by a buck. And 1021 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680 Speaker 1: it's not a year and a half old just messing around. 1022 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: It's actually like a three year old buck, maybe even 1023 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,720 Speaker 1: a four year old buck that's seemingly chasing a doll around. 1024 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,959 Speaker 1: Some people would say, oh, man, the ruts early get after. 1025 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,439 Speaker 1: Some people would say, oh, it's nominally, don't worry about it. Uh. 1026 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: Would you observe that on your evening hunt in that 1027 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: window and change anything at all for the next day 1028 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,360 Speaker 1: or the next week, or would you continue as normal 1029 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: and assume that was just an anomaly that you're not 1030 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: worried about. Now, what was the date again, Mark, This 1031 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:55,839 Speaker 1: scenario is somewhere between October, okay, and I'm seeing that 1032 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 1: running activity in the evening. Yep, you're seeing this early 1033 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: running act. There's a decently mature buck, a three or 1034 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: four year old maybe, and he's after a deal pretty hard. 1035 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,320 Speaker 1: Uh would you would that change your approach for the 1036 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,279 Speaker 1: next day or two or would you just keep on 1037 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: with your mid October plan as usual? What would you 1038 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: do in that situation? Well, it's it's tough because if 1039 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: it is, like I'm looking at, we see a lot 1040 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,880 Speaker 1: of running active. And one of the one of the 1041 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 1: best signs of early season or pre run running activity 1042 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,799 Speaker 1: is dear when they're sitting dry all day, meeting in 1043 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 1: a betting area, they're eating acorns, um, they're eating buds, shoots. Uh, 1044 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 1: They're they're working up quite a bit of thirst. We 1045 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 1: typically see them only hitting water holes in the evening, 1046 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,319 Speaker 1: but right around the ninety one of October and it 1047 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: starts to get cold, those bucks start to coming active 1048 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 1: in the mornings and all of a sudden they're hitting 1049 00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,240 Speaker 1: water holes that you know, ten o'clock noon, two o'clock 1050 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: in the afternoon, just because they're thirsty. They're starting to 1051 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: move around a little bit more. So it really depends 1052 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 1: on that time. I'm starting to hit my morning stands, 1053 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,360 Speaker 1: typically around the twentieth about cover at some point. So 1054 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 1: let's say this was theft in the evening, I see 1055 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: this mature box a little bit earlier than I typically 1056 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 1: would go in. Then I'm going to figure out, you know, 1057 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 1: if I think that buck is in a betting area 1058 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,800 Speaker 1: or around a betting area, that I can actually hunt 1059 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 1: on that land and he's one of my target box, 1060 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna try to get in there the next 1061 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: morning if I can um and and try to go 1062 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,400 Speaker 1: after that box in his betting area or around a 1063 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: betting area I think he might be moving. What would 1064 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 1: that look like like? What kind of cnique paint for 1065 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,399 Speaker 1: me a picture what that type of morning set up 1066 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,959 Speaker 1: would look like in a snare that you would actually say, Okay, 1067 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm going in there, and this is the type of 1068 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: spot I would say yes. Um So, first things, when 1069 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 1: you're accessing then, I'm not going through food's horse I'm 1070 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,400 Speaker 1: typically going well around food plots agg fields, and I'm 1071 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,760 Speaker 1: going in almost like a back door to that betting area, 1072 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,120 Speaker 1: off to the side of it, so I'm getting on 1073 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,399 Speaker 1: the downwind side. I'm not just walking into the middle 1074 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: of betting area knowing I have to smoke deer when 1075 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,720 Speaker 1: I get out later in the day. I'm I'm hunting 1076 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,799 Speaker 1: to one side where I feel my wind um I 1077 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: can blow my scent and not getting too much trouble. 1078 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,919 Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at a lot of times those 1079 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 1: betting areas. Even in that thirty acre parcel where we 1080 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: had food plots, I'm hunting high up above in the 1081 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,320 Speaker 1: ridge tops. Most those betting areas I'm sitting by, or 1082 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: the movements between them, are approximately three or four hundred 1083 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 1: yards away from the food plots down below in the valley. Um, 1084 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: we get a lot of surface areas, so it might 1085 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,520 Speaker 1: be literally four hundred yards away, three hu or fifty 1086 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: yards away, so they're quite a ways away from food. Um, 1087 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm going around those foods horses to get in And 1088 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: then depending on where I'm blowing my scent, if I'm 1089 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: blowing my scent into a swamp or a pond or 1090 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: off a cliff where there's no deer, then i feel 1091 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: like I get in there a half hour, four or 1092 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: five minutes before light and there's no problem finn. If 1093 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: I need those thermals and I'm hunting in a hilly 1094 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 1: situation where or or maybe I'm blowing my scent into 1095 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: a horse passed here and upon the field where a 1096 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: buck would not be here in the daylight, but he 1097 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: might be right before, right before daylight, and then I'm 1098 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,440 Speaker 1: getting into that stand location what I call it just 1099 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 1: in time, where there's a short window period where I'm 1100 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: using the gray light to get into the stand. I'm 1101 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: getting on that downwind side of the bedding area. I'm 1102 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 1: blowing my scent into an iffy area before daylight, but 1103 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 1: once it hits daylight, I'm relatively safe. And so I'm 1104 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 1: getting into that stand at that time. Um, you know, 1105 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,360 Speaker 1: just in time, where you're using the gray light you're 1106 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,640 Speaker 1: getting in and um, so that'll depend that'll you know, 1107 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,560 Speaker 1: the access time will be determined by the location and 1108 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: how safe my scent is down wind to me before 1109 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: it even gets daylight. Well, as you're discussing that, it 1110 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,520 Speaker 1: made me, it sent me in a kind of random direction. 1111 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 1: So bear with me on this, Jeff barely on my 1112 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: on my my random digressions here. But as I'm thinking 1113 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: about this, somehow it's sent me down this rabbit hole 1114 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 1: in my mind where I started thinking about your your 1115 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 1: hunting season last year and how well things seem to 1116 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,960 Speaker 1: pan out. You've got these plans that you put in place, 1117 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 1: and you've got these contingencies and you've got to you've 1118 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,880 Speaker 1: got an answer to every question seemingly in the real 1119 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 1: world when you're out there hunting yourself. And last year, 1120 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, it looked like everything went perfect. 1121 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 1: You killed all sorts of bucks, your kids killed bucks, 1122 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 1: your wife killed bucks. It seemed like you guys put 1123 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,200 Speaker 1: seventy two tags on big mature bucks across your properties 1124 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,520 Speaker 1: something like yeah. But but what it makes me wonder 1125 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 1: is what's the situation that confounds you? Like, what's the 1126 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 1: question that you haven't had an answer to. What's the 1127 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,320 Speaker 1: situation you found yourself in that you were cussing to 1128 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: yourself and like, damn it, I don't know what to do? 1129 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 1: Like when's the last situation the last time you found 1130 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: yourself in those shoes that you were confused or perplexed 1131 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: or frustrated by a buck in you got beat and 1132 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: you sat there in your bed at night thinking yourself, dang, 1133 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,680 Speaker 1: what in the world did I do wrong? Or why 1134 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: can't I figure this out? Can you think of a 1135 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,160 Speaker 1: situation like that over the last couple of years that 1136 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,760 Speaker 1: stands out that you could share with us, where you 1137 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: where you got beat and you didn't have the right 1138 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,480 Speaker 1: answer and you've had to think about it and stew 1139 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: on it and try to figure out what you should 1140 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,080 Speaker 1: have done different. Is there something that comes to mind? Yeah, 1141 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,960 Speaker 1: there is, UM, And my approach to hunting is I 1142 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,560 Speaker 1: try to have this no nonsense, pragmatic approach. I look 1143 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,320 Speaker 1: at it very methodically. So here's the plan. Um, these 1144 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,400 Speaker 1: are the three stands out of eighteen that are good 1145 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: for this morning's wind. I just punted by this one, 1146 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: and so I make decisions like that based on UM, 1147 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, a very systematic approach to hunting, the low 1148 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,280 Speaker 1: pressure stand staying off the side. So I allow that 1149 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 1: system to take place and not affect my emotion as much. 1150 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 1: There's been many stands I've shot my best bucket ever. 1151 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: Out of that I never hunted again, or I didn't 1152 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,959 Speaker 1: hunt for two or three years just because it didn't 1153 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: come in the up in the wind rotation the following year. 1154 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,200 Speaker 1: So I look at things very systematically. One thing that 1155 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: really UH confounded me last year was, UM, we had 1156 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: a great season. UM, Minnesota was awesome. UM shot my 1157 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,920 Speaker 1: target buck I think it was October, and you know, 1158 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Diane got her first buck of the bowl. Just we 1159 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,880 Speaker 1: had so many good things happening um put in Wisconsin. 1160 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: Um I went over there for the first time the 1161 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,200 Speaker 1: end of October, and I promptly wounded a buck. And 1162 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, you look in the footage and the buck 1163 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,960 Speaker 1: drop six inches before my arrow got there. Fill and 1164 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,640 Speaker 1: put even some illustration on there to show that. But 1165 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,800 Speaker 1: bottom line is I just didn't aim enough, because I 1166 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,640 Speaker 1: know when they're inside that bubble of yards and they 1167 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,280 Speaker 1: hear that noise as the boat going off or any 1168 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: kind of disturbance, they have a tendency to just run. 1169 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: And when they do that, it seems like they ducked 1170 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: the arrow. So that was the first fuck. You know. 1171 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Luckily we got pictures of him in January. He's alive, 1172 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,120 Speaker 1: made it through the season, recovered from his high you know, 1173 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 1: high wound. And uh So the next set out, um 1174 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,760 Speaker 1: I promptly missed a buck at thirty yards Errol's stuck 1175 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,360 Speaker 1: in the tree. He was one that I was really 1176 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,480 Speaker 1: after for a couple of years, and nice five year old. UM. 1177 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: I think the next sit out, um I had a 1178 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,040 Speaker 1: big monster booner, I don't even know how big it was. 1179 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,680 Speaker 1: UM that responded to a grunt of mine and then 1180 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 1: he stopped. Um I knew I shouldn't have done it. 1181 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,040 Speaker 1: He was at fort yards to the brush and just 1182 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: standing there. I grunted again. He turned around and walked away. 1183 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I spoke to him to this day, 1184 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,800 Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm messed up, because once you've 1185 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 1: grunt and they moved your way, should put the thing 1186 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,120 Speaker 1: away and just shut up and not worry about grunt 1187 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,800 Speaker 1: again unless he starts walking away, you know, on his own. 1188 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,080 Speaker 1: And so I really messed up there. My friend Mike 1189 01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,680 Speaker 1: from Michigan, he came out and now I can say 1190 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,760 Speaker 1: I did have COVID during this time. We'll we'll offer 1191 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 1: an excuse there, but there's really no excuse. But Mike 1192 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,439 Speaker 1: was over my shoulder. He just went come out step 1193 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: with me. He was gonna hunt for a gun season opener. 1194 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: And um, I had a buck come in that was 1195 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: point blank, a really nice one and nice mature buck, 1196 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,720 Speaker 1: and I missed him right with Mike by my side. 1197 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,320 Speaker 1: And uh uh, you know, fast forward to early January. 1198 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: I missed another five year old, but I passed up 1199 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 1: uh two years prior um or the year priories a 1200 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,240 Speaker 1: four year old then and uh and he made it 1201 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: through the season. Two. So I didn't film my Wisconsin 1202 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,080 Speaker 1: tag last year, and uh, I just got really beat up. 1203 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,400 Speaker 1: It's been about ten years since I had a season 1204 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: like that, and I hope, I hope it's just gonna 1205 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,880 Speaker 1: happen every ten years. But um I I practiced a lot. 1206 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: We have a good outdoor range at the new house 1207 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,960 Speaker 1: and stable shoot long distance, short distance, all over the place, 1208 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,760 Speaker 1: and it just a shot with and a lot. Because 1209 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,080 Speaker 1: it was their first year using a vertical bowl, she'd 1210 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,920 Speaker 1: sent me pictures of groups. But um, I just, you know, 1211 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,120 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it had one of those years that 1212 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 1: it seemed like, you know, still had my really good 1213 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 1: buck opportunities. I think every three or four sets I 1214 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,760 Speaker 1: had a chance of another mature book. Um I just 1215 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: really messed up my season and had deep my tag. 1216 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,160 Speaker 1: And that's just the way it goes sometimes. So that 1217 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,680 Speaker 1: was a very very frustrating season that And the one 1218 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,080 Speaker 1: good thing is though the season was open till the 1219 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,960 Speaker 1: end of January for bow and so I got to 1220 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: hunt all the way to the Enterchanger. Yeah, I wore 1221 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 1: my tag out and you still filled several tags between 1222 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,680 Speaker 1: Minnesota and and somewhere else, right, Yeah, I shot um 1223 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,400 Speaker 1: one in Kentucky and then two in Minnesota. UM, and 1224 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,080 Speaker 1: then I shot really good target buck with my muzzle 1225 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,160 Speaker 1: loader in Wisconsin, so I can't complain. Um, but that 1226 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: bow tag is one that you know since two thousand 1227 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: two in Wisconsin. I think ivan building maybe one other time, 1228 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 1: and no one's gonna feel sorry for me. But the 1229 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: whole point is that it was. It was a very 1230 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 1: frustrating tonight. I really hoping I don't have another one 1231 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,680 Speaker 1: like that. I actually and just putting a new sight on, 1232 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: just this new look, um and uh, I'll get a 1233 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,160 Speaker 1: different bo. I just usually trying to change things up. 1234 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 1: That's what I did after two thousand ten minutes, and 1235 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,040 Speaker 1: it worked for the next ten years or nine years 1236 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,720 Speaker 1: whatever almost, But that was that was it was fun. 1237 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,800 Speaker 1: I got to I got to experience a lot. It's 1238 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,800 Speaker 1: almost like you know, really do you do you become 1239 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,560 Speaker 1: a better hunter if you go out and sit one 1240 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,120 Speaker 1: time and shoot a back or two times three times. 1241 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,360 Speaker 1: I got to experience the whole season. I think I 1242 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: learned more about the land. Even on the land that 1243 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:50,880 Speaker 1: I've hunted since two thousand fourteen, I I have experienced 1244 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,520 Speaker 1: the same thing you who just described and it's no fun. Uh, 1245 01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: and you always go. But yeah, there's parts of it 1246 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,000 Speaker 1: that are that are fun to be out there hunter 1247 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 1: more often, but the moments right after, the days right 1248 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: after are not fun. Um, How how did you handle 1249 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 1: the immediate period after one of those misses or after 1250 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,480 Speaker 1: that wound. Some people are of the mind that they're like, 1251 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm getting right back out there, and they're back out 1252 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,800 Speaker 1: there the very next day, the very next hunt. Some 1253 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,040 Speaker 1: people they need to take time away, they need to 1254 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: go shoot for a few days or a week. Uh, 1255 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,440 Speaker 1: how do you mentally handle that? Where you've you've put it? 1256 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you, Jeff, You've put in a 1257 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,920 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of work and time and effort and resources 1258 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,000 Speaker 1: into getting a shot at one of these mature bucks 1259 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,840 Speaker 1: and to have that opportunity right there and then slip 1260 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,400 Speaker 1: through your fingers. I know how much that much. I 1261 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,720 Speaker 1: know how much that must frustrate you, and what that 1262 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 1: feels like, what goes through your mind that night, that 1263 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:52,560 Speaker 1: next day. How do you rebound from that? Well, you 1264 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 1: know that's a great question because I just I look 1265 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,600 Speaker 1: at it. You know again, what's my next opportunity? Once 1266 01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,760 Speaker 1: my next set? I think, Um, the second time that 1267 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,960 Speaker 1: the first time that I missed, Um, that was on 1268 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: election day and that was I had hunted in the 1269 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,800 Speaker 1: morning and I missed. And Uh, I'm just stubborn and 1270 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,560 Speaker 1: determined enough that I hadn't planned on sitting all day 1271 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,920 Speaker 1: in that stand. But it's one that's a transition between 1272 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,760 Speaker 1: betting and food. It's kind of a big X and 1273 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: movement or it's located. Um, I thought I could offer 1274 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,400 Speaker 1: a good sit all day. And so even though my 1275 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,520 Speaker 1: glowing knock was sticking in the tree at twenty nine 1276 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,960 Speaker 1: yards and I'd just stare at it all day and 1277 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,400 Speaker 1: I had no food or water, I just didn't stand 1278 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:40,560 Speaker 1: because I'm very stubborn. That's my person right there. That's 1279 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,400 Speaker 1: me too. It's kind of like you all you deserve 1280 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 1: to look at all day. So it's uh. And then 1281 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,400 Speaker 1: and it was crazy. I got down, UM walked all 1282 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: the way down. Ended up going to vote that night 1283 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,960 Speaker 1: with Diane. UM. I was sweating in the election where 1284 01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,080 Speaker 1: where we at Village Hall and I just didn't feel 1285 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,720 Speaker 1: I felt really tired it out And um that was 1286 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,680 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday. Well then UM we went to dinner 1287 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 1: that night. I actually felt like UM, going back with Diane. 1288 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,040 Speaker 1: She had driven separate, um and leaving my truck in 1289 01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Coon Valley, just going home fifty minutes away in Minnesota 1290 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,800 Speaker 1: because I just didn't feel like I could stay awake 1291 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,080 Speaker 1: time the way home. And of course, you know, I 1292 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 1: had a fever on Saturday, and we got confirmed the 1293 01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,639 Speaker 1: following week we had COVID. But that was the start 1294 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,160 Speaker 1: of it. I just thought it was because I didn't 1295 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,479 Speaker 1: eat drink all day and it was kind of almost torture, 1296 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,040 Speaker 1: but it was, you know, I have that more like 1297 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,000 Speaker 1: that approach, like, man, this is not going to beat me. 1298 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm even with coked. I went hunting three times when 1299 01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,640 Speaker 1: that COVID walking up the hill thirty five minutes the 1300 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,360 Speaker 1: one time I literally took a team breaks. Normally I 1301 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,599 Speaker 1: take one or two and that's my stand, forty minutes 1302 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,080 Speaker 1: after I should have. But I just and then the 1303 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,040 Speaker 1: next day I'd be in bed all day. Um, I 1304 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,040 Speaker 1: don't know how close I pushed it, you know, to 1305 01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: being really sick. But um, it's kind of like that 1306 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,120 Speaker 1: stubborn to term the nation. And I'm just not going 1307 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,320 Speaker 1: to let the speak whether it was COVID or missing 1308 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,280 Speaker 1: deer or deer. I just my thought is to get 1309 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,559 Speaker 1: right back out there. You want to get right back 1310 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:13,080 Speaker 1: up the saddle and try to make something happen. Maybe 1311 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,479 Speaker 1: it would have helped me to take a week or 1312 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,560 Speaker 1: two off, try to reassess and shoot my bowl a 1313 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,160 Speaker 1: little bit, makes some changes, and but it's just not 1314 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,360 Speaker 1: my nature. Yeah. What about another one of these kick 1315 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,000 Speaker 1: in the nuts situations, which is uh not a missing 1316 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,960 Speaker 1: a deer. But you're up there, and we'll just continue 1317 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,599 Speaker 1: with the November time frame. Let's say you're up there 1318 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,720 Speaker 1: in the tree and the big old buck that you've 1319 01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,320 Speaker 1: been wanting to get a crack at all season, he's 1320 01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,000 Speaker 1: coming in and you got your bow in hand, you're 1321 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,479 Speaker 1: getting ready, you're about to draw back, and something happens 1322 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:50,439 Speaker 1: and he bust you. UM, feel free to elaborate. How 1323 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,320 Speaker 1: you're answer here might differ base on the kind of bust. 1324 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,760 Speaker 1: But let's say he busts you and he skidaddles out 1325 01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,960 Speaker 1: of there, he knows something was up, and he gets 1326 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,360 Speaker 1: out of there on November twelve. Let's say, um, what 1327 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,599 Speaker 1: would you do in that situation? Would you give up 1328 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,920 Speaker 1: on that tree completely even though this big old buck 1329 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,639 Speaker 1: came through here today? Would you say that he spooked 1330 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,040 Speaker 1: out of there? This this spots burned and you're gonna 1331 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 1: change up your strategy and try to catch him somebody 1332 01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,599 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Or would you say, well, it's the rut. 1333 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah he busted me, but it's crazy times and he 1334 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,360 Speaker 1: might follow do right back through here, and I know 1335 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,479 Speaker 1: this is such a good spot the him or the 1336 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,439 Speaker 1: other the number two buck might roll through. Still, Um, 1337 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,839 Speaker 1: how would you handle that scenario where you get busted 1338 01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,160 Speaker 1: out of a tree in the rut? What's the impact 1339 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,800 Speaker 1: you think that's gonna happen? How do you react? I 1340 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,280 Speaker 1: look at it like, Um, in my mind, I write 1341 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,120 Speaker 1: that stand off for that one for the rest of 1342 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:51,120 Speaker 1: the season, and I've had gear that ten days later. Um, 1343 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,080 Speaker 1: come into a situation like that, stop thirty yards away 1344 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,200 Speaker 1: and start moving around the stand just because they know 1345 01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,400 Speaker 1: something bad is in that direction. Um. And so I 1346 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,840 Speaker 1: really look at it that I'm not going after that buck. 1347 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,920 Speaker 1: But what's really worked those to pivot and just go 1348 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,320 Speaker 1: to a completely different stand location on the other side 1349 01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:14,680 Speaker 1: of the property. It's crazy how a bucketed wasn't regularly 1350 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,639 Speaker 1: using that side of the property all of a sudden 1351 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,120 Speaker 1: shifts his patterns because of that mistake that you made, 1352 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,320 Speaker 1: and you can walk right in and shoot him the 1353 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,280 Speaker 1: first time in that stand to low and behold your 1354 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,160 Speaker 1: number one block. And it was just because you're relocated yourself, Um, 1355 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, quarter mile away, four d yards away, three 1356 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,360 Speaker 1: hundred yards whatever it was, and he got into his 1357 01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:37,160 Speaker 1: new daylight four range because you also been ultimately didn't 1358 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,639 Speaker 1: want to leave that area, or he was still around 1359 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: and at the same time, maybe you have a small 1360 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,880 Speaker 1: enough property where he's gone. I'm just starting to focus 1361 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,840 Speaker 1: on number two then, and but really I found shifting over. 1362 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,200 Speaker 1: We killed several bucks like that where he just shifted 1363 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,439 Speaker 1: to the other side of the property and we're able 1364 01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,680 Speaker 1: to connect it with that buck that he let's say 1365 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,559 Speaker 1: it was a wound. We've shot box that where he's 1366 01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,000 Speaker 1: got broadheads back. Um, the wound was still healing from 1367 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,040 Speaker 1: ten days earlier, a week earlier. But they were a 1368 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 1: long ways away from that other stand or we messed 1369 01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,639 Speaker 1: up on them. From what do you think that ranges 1370 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:13,000 Speaker 1: that you think what's the the the the epicenter of 1371 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,840 Speaker 1: the impact is like where the stand was that you 1372 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,960 Speaker 1: got busted. How far do you think you need to 1373 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,639 Speaker 1: get away from that to remove yourself from the impact 1374 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,840 Speaker 1: zone where you think that this buck might be forgiving Again, 1375 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 1: is it? Because you know, when you see the other 1376 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,519 Speaker 1: side of the property, that's obviously going to be very 1377 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,800 Speaker 1: different depending on how big somebody's property is. So is 1378 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,639 Speaker 1: this two yards? Is this a mile? On average? If 1379 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,600 Speaker 1: you had to give me some kind of range, like 1380 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,080 Speaker 1: how far away do you think you have to get 1381 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,799 Speaker 1: to be in a safe zone? Again, Well, I'm gonna answer, 1382 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,960 Speaker 1: like you know, and this relates to a lot of 1383 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,040 Speaker 1: different scenarios, whether it's how far or dear beds away 1384 01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,680 Speaker 1: from a food source, um, how far to find a 1385 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,599 Speaker 1: box betting area away from his his afternoon food source. 1386 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,000 Speaker 1: But in a coverless ad region, that might be a 1387 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,760 Speaker 1: hundred yards away because covers limited and here and if 1388 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,680 Speaker 1: you're in a you know, fantasyland state where you have 1389 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot of mature box there's hardly any hunting pressure, 1390 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 1: then maybe that buck comes right back to that location. 1391 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,759 Speaker 1: But in where most of us hunts, that's not the case. 1392 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,720 Speaker 1: In the up of Michigan you spoken to, area might 1393 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,760 Speaker 1: be that he's across the swamp a mile a mile 1394 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,679 Speaker 1: and a half where you're gonna find him moving around. 1395 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,120 Speaker 1: He's just done from that area, and he's used to 1396 01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,040 Speaker 1: a lot of space and he takes it. Is his 1397 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,720 Speaker 1: afternoon movement from his betting area to his food source 1398 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,320 Speaker 1: might be three quarters a mile regularly on a daily basis, 1399 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,439 Speaker 1: where that's a hundred yards in a coverless northern Ohio 1400 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,320 Speaker 1: flat agg region, So you know where I'm at. It's 1401 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,200 Speaker 1: more like, you know, I get three or four d 1402 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,000 Speaker 1: yards away, maybe an elevation change, and I'm right back 1403 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,519 Speaker 1: in that potentially movement for daylight movement where that buck 1404 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: might be. So I would say to two to four 1405 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,520 Speaker 1: hundred yards in an average scenario in big wooded wilderness 1406 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,160 Speaker 1: area where there's not a lot of deer, that could 1407 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: be a mile or more. And in a coverless agg 1408 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,320 Speaker 1: region like someone the once we've talked about earlier, and 1409 01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,439 Speaker 1: that might be a hundred fifty yards. So I hate 1410 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,400 Speaker 1: to do this, but I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep 1411 01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:18,200 Speaker 1: us focused on misery and and I think people that, yeah, 1412 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,439 Speaker 1: so here's another here's another scenario that that at least 1413 01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,559 Speaker 1: I've encountered, I think a lot of people probably have, 1414 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,120 Speaker 1: which is you get into this this same time period November. 1415 01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,479 Speaker 1: It's the rut it's the it's the super Bowl, right, 1416 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,160 Speaker 1: We've looked forward to it all year. And maybe this 1417 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,519 Speaker 1: is just me, But if you consume enough hunting media, 1418 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:42,000 Speaker 1: if you daydream enough, if you're as voyeuristically of an 1419 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,200 Speaker 1: optimistic as an optimist as I am, you're just dreaming 1420 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,040 Speaker 1: and imagining that November is gonna be amazing, Right, It's 1421 01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna be everything you've ever imagined. There's gonna be bucks 1422 01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 1: running everywhere. But then inevitably you get out there and 1423 01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,040 Speaker 1: there'll be some period during the rut where it's dead. 1424 01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,280 Speaker 1: It's November seven through the tenth, and it's supposed to 1425 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,479 Speaker 1: be dynamite, and it is not. You're hunting great spots 1426 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,519 Speaker 1: that are by the textbook dynamite rut hunting spots. You're 1427 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,559 Speaker 1: downwind of an amazing deal betting area, or you're in 1428 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,400 Speaker 1: the pinch point of all pinch points, and you just 1429 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,360 Speaker 1: know that a big boy is going to roll through there. 1430 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,360 Speaker 1: But you sit there on November seven, nothing, You sit 1431 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,040 Speaker 1: there November eight, nothing. You hunt the best betting area 1432 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 1: in the area in November nine and there's nothing, and 1433 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,759 Speaker 1: you don't get it, Like, what's going on in that scenario, Jeff, 1434 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,120 Speaker 1: When You're hunting what should be the best days of 1435 01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,280 Speaker 1: the year, and it's good conditions to it's not like 1436 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,479 Speaker 1: it's hot, it's nice, cool to cold weather, and you're 1437 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,519 Speaker 1: hunting your best rut spots and nothing for three or 1438 01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,559 Speaker 1: four days. What do you do then, Jeff? Do you 1439 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,040 Speaker 1: do you stay in the spots because you know you 1440 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,479 Speaker 1: have faith that eventually he'll roll through, or do you 1441 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:58,240 Speaker 1: call an audible and totally change your plan? That's ah, 1442 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,479 Speaker 1: I love that question because I try to get into 1443 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: that situation the first place, because I'm I'm really making 1444 01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 1: the decision to use a stand. I would give you 1445 01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,960 Speaker 1: an example, like even in the early season. I remember 1446 01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,280 Speaker 1: we traveled down from the up to hunt in Wisconsin's 1447 01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,400 Speaker 1: seven hour drive and um, it was early season. We 1448 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,200 Speaker 1: had a great cold front, and um, I went out 1449 01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,680 Speaker 1: to a water hole that gives us a lot of 1450 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 1: rut activity in some of our best box the entire 1451 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,360 Speaker 1: year daylight pictures. So I went in there. Let's say 1452 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:31,160 Speaker 1: it's October five, and and instead of being uh proactive 1453 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,800 Speaker 1: going back and changing the st car, checking it out 1454 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,920 Speaker 1: on the computer, you know, walking a mile and a 1455 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,040 Speaker 1: half round trip going back and forth to the truck 1456 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,280 Speaker 1: and we had time to do. So I just went 1457 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,800 Speaker 1: right into the stand thinking would be okay, and I 1458 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,080 Speaker 1: sat there just that one evening pulled the cards. There 1459 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,000 Speaker 1: hadn't been a shooter box yet that year, and I 1460 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,679 Speaker 1: feel like I wasted a set. And so whether I'm 1461 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,680 Speaker 1: going by sign current signed scraping activity, I guess I 1462 01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,719 Speaker 1: have a MOX scrape at every stand, on every post 1463 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,160 Speaker 1: and location, and so you can tell just by tracks 1464 01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,360 Speaker 1: if there's a big act there, if it's being work, 1465 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:02,840 Speaker 1: even if you didn't have a camera on it, you 1466 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,000 Speaker 1: can tell by rubs uh frequency of scraping tracks in 1467 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,880 Speaker 1: the area. So I'm trying to make a situation where 1468 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm not even hunting a stand unless I have good 1469 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,920 Speaker 1: reason or intel to think that there's a box that 1470 01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,160 Speaker 1: I want, or at least some activity and that that 1471 01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,840 Speaker 1: spot to begin with. So if I sat in a 1472 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,520 Speaker 1: spot for three or four days in a row, I'm 1473 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm definitely moving. Now. If I'm on public lands, that's 1474 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,759 Speaker 1: a different scenario because they're not hunting big rut movement, 1475 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,000 Speaker 1: and I might be shooting a box that's coming through 1476 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,200 Speaker 1: every four or five days in that location. He might 1477 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,760 Speaker 1: be three miles away when I go in and said 1478 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:40,000 Speaker 1: that stand so in a outstanding rut cruising funnel. On 1479 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,559 Speaker 1: public land, a lot of times it's more time in 1480 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,400 Speaker 1: the stand, where on private land it's more timing of 1481 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,360 Speaker 1: the current activity in that stand. If I don't see 1482 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,599 Speaker 1: that activity, I'm definitely leaving to look at somewhere else, 1483 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,720 Speaker 1: because that means there's a hot dog somewhere else. There's 1484 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,840 Speaker 1: a combination of hot dose, a family group, there's something 1485 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,120 Speaker 1: that's drawing gear away from that position, and I do 1486 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,160 Speaker 1: my best to go find them. Yeah, and make sure 1487 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,559 Speaker 1: that I'm hunting at current times. And so I'm very 1488 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,640 Speaker 1: unforgiving when it comes to stand locations I think that 1489 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,439 Speaker 1: it's dead, I'm immediately moving, um, you know, and finding 1490 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,000 Speaker 1: the next best stand. And that's why a lot of 1491 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,320 Speaker 1: times I'm hunting completely different stands in the morning and 1492 01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,960 Speaker 1: the evening. I might hunt all day, but here I 1493 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,360 Speaker 1: just had a dead stand. And you'll even see this 1494 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,280 Speaker 1: in the morning, like you have a hot stand in 1495 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,720 Speaker 1: the morning, that's a dead stand in the afternoon. So 1496 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,519 Speaker 1: a lot of times a great stand in the morning 1497 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,320 Speaker 1: is not a great stand in the afternoon. And that's 1498 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,559 Speaker 1: why I'm switching stand most of the time, unless I'm 1499 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,160 Speaker 1: torturing myself watching a glowing knock all day because I 1500 01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,160 Speaker 1: dismissed one. That's more of a sever personal things. But yeah, 1501 01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm definitely staying mobile, and uh, you know, you know, 1502 01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,639 Speaker 1: and just real quick, I know, my my buddy Carl 1503 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,200 Speaker 1: down in Georgia, we hunted in Wisconsin for many years, Kentucky, 1504 01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,200 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania a couple of times, Michigan. UM, really good hunting 1505 01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,599 Speaker 1: buddy to actually be out in Minnesota in the public, 1506 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,720 Speaker 1: laying out of my place this year, but we we 1507 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,280 Speaker 1: hunted the same land. Um, he actually put it in 1508 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more time because he'd take an entire 1509 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,040 Speaker 1: nine day window off every years on the run where 1510 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I just go out and hunt the weather. And so 1511 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,080 Speaker 1: during that the twelve years we had to land, I 1512 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,599 Speaker 1: shot seventeen bucks out of fourteen different stands. He shot 1513 01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,240 Speaker 1: nine bucks out of two stands, eight bucks out of one. 1514 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,479 Speaker 1: So he would live and die by that stand, almost 1515 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,519 Speaker 1: like you're talking about if it was dead, it was dead. 1516 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,519 Speaker 1: He just got hunting it where I was always looking 1517 01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,400 Speaker 1: for the next freshest stand. In fact, it got to 1518 01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,879 Speaker 1: a point when where it chooses stands, we always drew straws, 1519 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,360 Speaker 1: we narrow it down to the you know, the handful 1520 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,120 Speaker 1: of stands we thought were the best for the sin 1521 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,360 Speaker 1: and he'd always want to go hump the horse backers stand, 1522 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,120 Speaker 1: And so that gave me another twenty stands to choice from. 1523 01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,559 Speaker 1: And so to me, it was always about finding the 1524 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,439 Speaker 1: next freshest stand with sign. And so even you know, 1525 01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: going a little bit out of your way and finding 1526 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, going to buy this out away stand and 1527 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,839 Speaker 1: you look over there and how there's as fresh scrapes 1528 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,920 Speaker 1: or fresh rubs, you know, the current sign, and then 1529 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,439 Speaker 1: I'm going in sitting on that. Even though that stand 1530 01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,439 Speaker 1: initially might not have been my favorite, I was looking 1531 01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,640 Speaker 1: at it like your There's something I live by is 1532 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,960 Speaker 1: that your favorite stand should be the next dame you 1533 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,280 Speaker 1: shoot a buck out um, not your last stance. I 1534 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,000 Speaker 1: like that. I like that a lot. Uh So, speaking 1535 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,040 Speaker 1: of moving, one of the things that I always find 1536 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,800 Speaker 1: myself in debating during a day is that scenario where 1537 01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,960 Speaker 1: you know you want to move from a morning stand 1538 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,960 Speaker 1: to an evening stand, and you're trying to decide when 1539 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,519 Speaker 1: the right time is to pull out and head out 1540 01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,280 Speaker 1: to the next spot. All things being equal, I know 1541 01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,160 Speaker 1: that if you were sitting at eleven o'clock in a 1542 01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,040 Speaker 1: big Buck roll through, you might sit longer and wait 1543 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,400 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But if you had to just 1544 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,200 Speaker 1: if you had just pick, what's the perfect time, the 1545 01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,439 Speaker 1: best ideal time to make your move If you have 1546 01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,280 Speaker 1: to go from a morning stand to a new evening stand, 1547 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,160 Speaker 1: and we're talking somewhere in this rut time frame, it's 1548 01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,160 Speaker 1: kind of tricky because that's times there can be that 1549 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,720 Speaker 1: midday movement. Um when would you optimally pull down your 1550 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,479 Speaker 1: set and moved to the new spotter or climb out 1551 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,840 Speaker 1: and move to another pre hung set. That's uh. I 1552 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,439 Speaker 1: would say usually that average time frame, how cold is it? 1553 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,720 Speaker 1: Mark lets northwest? Since that's where I'm staring into the 1554 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,240 Speaker 1: wind and it's like eighteen degrees and there's a twenty 1555 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,240 Speaker 1: mile wind. But it's a really good day, and uh, 1556 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to get down to the leven. But 1557 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,400 Speaker 1: I would say between eleven and one um is typically 1558 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:33,960 Speaker 1: the time frame. And I'm kind of like you you 1559 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,120 Speaker 1: see a buck that goes through at eleven, Well, you know, 1560 01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,240 Speaker 1: if there's still some movement like that, I'm waiting waiting 1561 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,720 Speaker 1: another hour. Um so, But but it's it's good to 1562 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,040 Speaker 1: point out that a lot of these mornings rut stands 1563 01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:50,240 Speaker 1: are betting area related if you think about it. That again, 1564 01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,360 Speaker 1: kind of going back to a good stand in the 1565 01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,519 Speaker 1: morning might not necessarily be a good stand in the evening. 1566 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,680 Speaker 1: Evening stands related to food sources. When you're sitting in 1567 01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,519 Speaker 1: a betting area stand in the morning, it could be 1568 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,360 Speaker 1: great to one or two you know, bunch scruisy. Eventually 1569 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,800 Speaker 1: they lay up, they're taking a little siesta break, and 1570 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,840 Speaker 1: then they're heading towards food. Because every other year including those, 1571 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,400 Speaker 1: are heading towards food in the evening. So as it 1572 01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,560 Speaker 1: gets close to a dark year, leaving your position in 1573 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,439 Speaker 1: the bedding morning betting areas standing um instead of coming 1574 01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,160 Speaker 1: to your position, So you're less likely diceed Ara before 1575 01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,880 Speaker 1: dark than you are two hours before dark. And so 1576 01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,439 Speaker 1: that's why it's a really good reason to flip and 1577 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,920 Speaker 1: change dance plot. Yeah, you know, I found myself more 1578 01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,160 Speaker 1: and more often hunting something like you described, like a 1579 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,479 Speaker 1: betting focused type morning stand during the rut, but then 1580 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,120 Speaker 1: wanting to stay there until that two or three o'clock 1581 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,160 Speaker 1: window because those betting areas still get visited during the 1582 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,120 Speaker 1: midday window, and then I try to slip out like 1583 01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,880 Speaker 1: two or three o'clock when I think that midday. You know, 1584 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,800 Speaker 1: when I think that midday, little possible burst is over, 1585 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,400 Speaker 1: and then I relocate to my evening spot. Um, but 1586 01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,759 Speaker 1: I'm always sitting there the whole time thinking, Man, should 1587 01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,800 Speaker 1: I go sooner? Should go later? Should I wait an 1588 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,280 Speaker 1: hour longer? Um? You drive yourself crazy thinking about it 1589 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:07,120 Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, and that's where I think. Uh, you know, 1590 01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,800 Speaker 1: I like having a time like so I'll just pick 1591 01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,439 Speaker 1: a random time one or two o'clock and then he 1592 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,320 Speaker 1: just moved and so kind of methodically, you just don't 1593 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,800 Speaker 1: think about it. Kind of this is your plan. Um. 1594 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,280 Speaker 1: I think the more you stew about it, you can 1595 01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,640 Speaker 1: think of so many different scenarios. Um. But you just 1596 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,519 Speaker 1: pick a time, said till that time, and then I 1597 01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,599 Speaker 1: look at it like if I said I was gonna 1598 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,400 Speaker 1: get down at one, and for some reason I cheat, 1599 01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,080 Speaker 1: I get out at five to one. Let's say, even 1600 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,559 Speaker 1: I'm really cold and I spoke a deer. That's not me, 1601 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,519 Speaker 1: you know, I I was being lazy, I didn't stay 1602 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,080 Speaker 1: till one. Or if I stayed at one and I'm 1603 01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,400 Speaker 1: getting down and spook a deer. Yeah, you know, I 1604 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,240 Speaker 1: spoke to him, but that was the plan I got 1605 01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,040 Speaker 1: out of one. I stayed till one. I did what 1606 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,760 Speaker 1: I was supposed to in my head. And uh so 1607 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,120 Speaker 1: you kind of you know, that's more forgivable to me 1608 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,880 Speaker 1: than getting out of a stand early. So you just 1609 01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,439 Speaker 1: pick a time and and kind of go with it, 1610 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,280 Speaker 1: kind of like whether it's plant food plots, Yeah, your 1611 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,760 Speaker 1: food plots failed. Will just throw some Ryan and don't 1612 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,760 Speaker 1: sweat it and enjoy the teas. And I guess I 1613 01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,120 Speaker 1: look at it like two. There's just so many other 1614 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,320 Speaker 1: things that light to stress about that. For me, the 1615 01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,600 Speaker 1: fun is the whole system of coming up with the 1616 01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,920 Speaker 1: plan of you know, hunt here in the morning, here 1617 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,840 Speaker 1: in the afternut, I think this time I'm gonna move, 1618 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,160 Speaker 1: And if bad things happened because you were moving or 1619 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,559 Speaker 1: because you got down at that particular time he had chosen, 1620 01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,439 Speaker 1: I just don't sweat it. Yeah, that's it's, at least 1621 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,439 Speaker 1: for me, easier said than done. But I like the sentiment. 1622 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,439 Speaker 1: But it always seems like I tell myself that in 1623 01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:39,000 Speaker 1: August and then come November, I'm I'm sweating it still. 1624 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,280 Speaker 1: Oh that's how old are you? Mark? They're thirty three 1625 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,000 Speaker 1: or thirty four, thirty three one or two somewhere in there. Yeah, 1626 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,479 Speaker 1: I remember when you were here when you're a lot 1627 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,360 Speaker 1: younger too. But I'm fifty one, and I think it's interesting. 1628 01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,519 Speaker 1: Last year when I shot my target bucket in Minnesota, 1629 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,640 Speaker 1: and that's the funk I wanted. I was so excited. 1630 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,080 Speaker 1: I went out to a stand um October twenty six. 1631 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,840 Speaker 1: There was the evening hunt. I suspect that he would 1632 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,360 Speaker 1: be there. I got the stand and the wind was empty, 1633 01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,720 Speaker 1: and I only made it about fifteen twenty minutes. I 1634 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,679 Speaker 1: got down and went to another stand, and two days 1635 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,160 Speaker 1: later I shot him on that stands And that night, 1636 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,639 Speaker 1: when I was sitting there during daylight, that buck walked 1637 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,280 Speaker 1: from that down wind approach, and I feel if I 1638 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,679 Speaker 1: was in that stand, I would have spooked him maybe, 1639 01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,000 Speaker 1: And when I've got him for the entire season. And 1640 01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,040 Speaker 1: so that discipline at fifty one is not the discipline 1641 01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,679 Speaker 1: I had when I was thirty or maybe thirty five, 1642 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,720 Speaker 1: or certainly not twenty five. So it just becomes like 1643 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,080 Speaker 1: you you kind of have this stuff in your head. 1644 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,800 Speaker 1: This is when I'm gonna do, This is what words, 1645 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,640 Speaker 1: this is what's worked in the past. It's easy to 1646 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,880 Speaker 1: develop that discipline over experience. So what I'm trying to 1647 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,840 Speaker 1: say is, yeah, easier said than done, But if you 1648 01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,960 Speaker 1: do it for many years and that's what works, then 1649 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,240 Speaker 1: a lot of easier at fifty one than thirty three. Yeah, 1650 01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,439 Speaker 1: that's a great that's a great point. And and I'm 1651 01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,760 Speaker 1: gonna I'm curious about this, and maybe you just told 1652 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,479 Speaker 1: me the answer that might have been the answer where 1653 01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,400 Speaker 1: you just told me right there. But when you look 1654 01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,080 Speaker 1: back at yourself at thirty three, you zoom back from 1655 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,240 Speaker 1: fifty one back to thirty three, and you look at 1656 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:20,519 Speaker 1: those you know, eighteen years in between. What's the most 1657 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,080 Speaker 1: important change you've made from my age to your age 1658 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,320 Speaker 1: that has led to more success for you? If you 1659 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,559 Speaker 1: could try to condense all the lessons you've learned, all 1660 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,599 Speaker 1: the changes you've made, all the progress that has happened 1661 01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,160 Speaker 1: between then and now, and you could put your finger 1662 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:42,800 Speaker 1: on one single thing, what would that be? Um that 1663 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,559 Speaker 1: less is more? And so what I mean by that 1664 01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:50,320 Speaker 1: two thousands I said a hundred times in four different states, 1665 01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,240 Speaker 1: or practically twelve all days SIPs over a four month period, 1666 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,559 Speaker 1: and I shot two box, I passed up fifty six 1667 01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:04,320 Speaker 1: public lands in Michigan, Pennsylvania privately and two and now 1668 01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I've burned myself out and I've burned 1669 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,600 Speaker 1: my stands out. You know, what I've found is like 1670 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,680 Speaker 1: a year like last. You know, I had all these 1671 01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,799 Speaker 1: opportunities in Wisconsin, but I only sat maybe fifteen times 1672 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,800 Speaker 1: from October, November, December and January. In Wisconsin. I just 1673 01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:22,000 Speaker 1: picked really good times, maybe eighteen times. But um, I 1674 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,280 Speaker 1: had really you know, an opportunity every three or four 1675 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,679 Speaker 1: six at b and it was because I was picking 1676 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,120 Speaker 1: the best times to go. I used, uh, you know, 1677 01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:35,040 Speaker 1: current time in activity and went in and to expect 1678 01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:39,640 Speaker 1: the high rate of opportunity. Um, even in two thousands 1679 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,640 Speaker 1: two looking back or two thousand three looking back, um, 1680 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, eighteen years or whatever, I remember, I put 1681 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,240 Speaker 1: a lot more emphasis on hunting the peak of the 1682 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,400 Speaker 1: rod in hunting five or six day window, where I've 1683 01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,559 Speaker 1: learned that to take those five days to spread about 1684 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,880 Speaker 1: over the entire road and pick the best days to hunt, 1685 01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,120 Speaker 1: it was more valuable than taking five days off in 1686 01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,439 Speaker 1: a row. Certainly nine days in a row, because I 1687 01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 1: can pick a juice and not everyone can do that. 1688 01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,879 Speaker 1: But a lot of people can say, you know, for example, 1689 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,160 Speaker 1: I'd rather if I had to pick my time off 1690 01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,120 Speaker 1: well in advance, I'd say, Okay, i'm gonna take these 1691 01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,439 Speaker 1: three long weekends in a row. And I'm just sticking dates. 1692 01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:25,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know what they are this year, but 1693 01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,920 Speaker 1: let's say it was the twenty October, the second of November, 1694 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,320 Speaker 1: and the ninth of November. I'd rather tick tick three 1695 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:36,639 Speaker 1: day weekends. And and then, if you're really lucky, your 1696 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,960 Speaker 1: your employer could say, you know, today, I could say, 1697 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,719 Speaker 1: can I let you know if I'm gonna take Monday 1698 01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,040 Speaker 1: off or Friday off for this long weekend. Um, But 1699 01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:50,240 Speaker 1: even then, I'd rather spread out my impact on the land. 1700 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:55,320 Speaker 1: And uh and funt Fresher stands in a methodical approach 1701 01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,519 Speaker 1: like every day, I'm just gonna hunt these three weekends, 1702 01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,719 Speaker 1: long weekends, whether it's a three or four day weekends, 1703 01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,640 Speaker 1: and UH take my chance to spread out like that. 1704 01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,719 Speaker 1: I'm trying to put all my eggs into one basket, 1705 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,240 Speaker 1: thinking that the more days I hunted a row of 1706 01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:10,679 Speaker 1: the more opportunity I have. So thus is more certainly 1707 01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,720 Speaker 1: over the years, my my sis, um my sits for 1708 01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:20,479 Speaker 1: opportunity have decreased drastically. You know, in two thousand six, 1709 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,800 Speaker 1: that was you know, a hundred and ten cents for 1710 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,479 Speaker 1: two bucks. Was that you know, I'm not saying I 1711 01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,920 Speaker 1: didn't have any other opportunities, but that was you know, 1712 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,880 Speaker 1: fifty sis per box, fifi cents per bocket's a lot 1713 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,000 Speaker 1: of cents per bock. Now it's down board like four 1714 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,800 Speaker 1: to six on any warm hunting um per bucket. And 1715 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,320 Speaker 1: that's because I'm being more timely. And for that then 1716 01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,599 Speaker 1: I get to hunt more states. I feel like, um, 1717 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm not burning out stands. I get to hunt a 1718 01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,080 Speaker 1: longer amount of time. I get to learn more because 1719 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm in the field for a more extended amount of time. 1720 01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm just not hunting as much. You know, even if 1721 01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,920 Speaker 1: I said forty five times, that might be over three 1722 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,120 Speaker 1: or four states overall four months period. You do the math, 1723 01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,880 Speaker 1: that's not many steps for bee. Yeah. So, gosh, I 1724 01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,200 Speaker 1: don't know. Time's flying by, Jeff, and I'm getting old 1725 01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,240 Speaker 1: really fast. But I think you and I did a 1726 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:17,160 Speaker 1: podcast maybe, and so you said, yeah, these two, these 1727 01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,880 Speaker 1: two kids that one in three year old, make me 1728 01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,000 Speaker 1: feel a lot older. But you and you and I 1729 01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,720 Speaker 1: did a podcast together. I should know this off top 1730 01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,800 Speaker 1: of my head, but I'm guessing it was two thousand fifteen, 1731 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,479 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, so something like five years or so 1732 01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,439 Speaker 1: ago in which we we spent We spent a lot 1733 01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:41,200 Speaker 1: of time diving into your theories around the best days 1734 01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,760 Speaker 1: to hunt, choosing which of these days are gonna be 1735 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,280 Speaker 1: selective about. And I know you've spent a lot. You've 1736 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,840 Speaker 1: you've shared a lot on your YouTube channel, and you've 1737 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,080 Speaker 1: done articles about this, and there's a lot you've you've 1738 01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,600 Speaker 1: kind of an algorithmic approach to choosing the days that 1739 01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,320 Speaker 1: have the highest odds of success. But what I'm wondering 1740 01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:02,520 Speaker 1: about is how your thoughts, if at all, have changed 1741 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,960 Speaker 1: since two thousand fifteen when we did this two hour 1742 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,880 Speaker 1: conversation diving deep into your theories at that point. So, 1743 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:12,439 Speaker 1: from from two thousand fifteen to two twenty one, has 1744 01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:16,719 Speaker 1: anything changed in how you predict the best days to hunt? 1745 01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,600 Speaker 1: Is there anything different now or that you view is 1746 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:25,240 Speaker 1: more important or less important than back five six years ago. Yeah, 1747 01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,120 Speaker 1: that's there's a couple of things. And what's interesting is 1748 01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,160 Speaker 1: when we talked about then two thousand fifty, I think 1749 01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:35,479 Speaker 1: that was around the time that I wrote that road article, yes, 1750 01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:39,640 Speaker 1: and that was that November rud issue. And what's interesting 1751 01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,240 Speaker 1: is that kind of forced me to put my numbers 1752 01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,800 Speaker 1: down on paper. And that's why I'm going to meet 1753 01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,839 Speaker 1: the hunt biscrow you know, right now for dinner tonight 1754 01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,400 Speaker 1: and for you bunch of videos tomorrow, because they infused 1755 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,120 Speaker 1: that algorithm into their hunt cast formula. And that's just 1756 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,479 Speaker 1: been an incredible ride journey over last year and a half. 1757 01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,800 Speaker 1: But I I hunted that a for you know, since 1758 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:06,760 Speaker 1: the early nineties, and so it's been really focusing on 1759 01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:11,920 Speaker 1: whether change, especially temperature drop and and so what's really 1760 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,920 Speaker 1: changed I think during that time is one of the 1761 01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:17,479 Speaker 1: things I noticed is that, um, you know, it's just 1762 01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of an add on is that when things change, 1763 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,800 Speaker 1: when things change and they get really calm where there's 1764 01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,840 Speaker 1: no wind, I find that no wind isn't necessarily a 1765 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,200 Speaker 1: good thing. And you do seem like there's a you know, 1766 01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,280 Speaker 1: a modern amount of wind it's a good thing. And uh, 1767 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,559 Speaker 1: and I have noticed that for about the years. Also 1768 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,280 Speaker 1: it's relative, like if you have forty mile winds and 1769 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,519 Speaker 1: drops to twenty miles an hour, dear, notice that change 1770 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,960 Speaker 1: twenty is still pretty windy, But if it drops from 1771 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,120 Speaker 1: twenty five miles an hour or to five miles an hour, 1772 01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,840 Speaker 1: there's still that same change. So I think it's all relative, um. 1773 01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,120 Speaker 1: And you know, same at temperature change. UM. I think 1774 01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,400 Speaker 1: in the early days I used to focus on, boy, 1775 01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,120 Speaker 1: when it ends in the high twenties the end of October, 1776 01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,600 Speaker 1: I really need to be an woods. But if you 1777 01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:08,760 Speaker 1: just had a string of seventies seventy one again for 1778 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,120 Speaker 1: five or six days in a row, and then all 1779 01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,439 Speaker 1: of a sudden it's a high of fifty two, even 1780 01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,120 Speaker 1: if it's early November, that's warm for that time here, 1781 01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,479 Speaker 1: it's still a huge drop the temperature. And and really 1782 01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,520 Speaker 1: that eighteen degree overall drop the temperature for daytime highs, 1783 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,160 Speaker 1: is it really that much different of an impact and 1784 01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,280 Speaker 1: that the temperature drop from an afrit And I don't 1785 01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:34,120 Speaker 1: think it is. And so wind speed change, temperature change, 1786 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,240 Speaker 1: it's all relative, I think. And then at the same time, 1787 01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,800 Speaker 1: para metric pressure. I used to pay attention to pari 1788 01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,880 Speaker 1: metric pressure a little bit, was thinking, you know where 1789 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,600 Speaker 1: para metric pressure was high temperatures the lowest, it's in 1790 01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,320 Speaker 1: those two. That's always a great data hunt. Those are 1791 01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,840 Speaker 1: easy to pick out the forecast with the bari metric 1792 01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,720 Speaker 1: pressure and temperature. Meat here will be on their feet. 1793 01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,160 Speaker 1: Um on finding my dear archer made up that saying 1794 01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:00,960 Speaker 1: a few years ago. I thought that was kind of cool. 1795 01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:05,000 Speaker 1: But the very metric pressure can lie. And so I 1796 01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:09,120 Speaker 1: look at it like deer. They're outside obviously three sixty five, 1797 01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,519 Speaker 1: and they relate to tangible changes in the weather, whether 1798 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,280 Speaker 1: that's changing wind speed, the moisture in the air, change 1799 01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,200 Speaker 1: in wind direction, obviously the extremities of the weather and 1800 01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,799 Speaker 1: volatility of the weather. They relate to all that. And 1801 01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:27,840 Speaker 1: and so what I noticed is that, um, you could 1802 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:32,040 Speaker 1: have a big drop and temperature, a big, big subsiding 1803 01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,600 Speaker 1: of the weather conditions that brought about that change, and 1804 01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,080 Speaker 1: the very metric pressure is low because just two days 1805 01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,479 Speaker 1: later there's another up front coming through. It's a double 1806 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,799 Speaker 1: front for that week, and so the very metric pressure 1807 01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,080 Speaker 1: is low. Yet if you missed that time to be 1808 01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,559 Speaker 1: in the woods, you just had a seventeen degree temperature drop, 1809 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,439 Speaker 1: the winds went from forty to twenty one miles an hour, 1810 01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,920 Speaker 1: you had thunderstorms. Now there's no rain that's been dry 1811 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,920 Speaker 1: for several hours. If you missed that day, you're missing 1812 01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,920 Speaker 1: one of the top ten days in the woods all year. 1813 01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:06,040 Speaker 1: At the same time, two days later, everything subsides. That 1814 01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:10,559 Speaker 1: temperature bottoms out very mutual pressure is high, outstanding time 1815 01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,479 Speaker 1: to hunt, but two days later the pressure could be higher, 1816 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,120 Speaker 1: even though it's ten degrees warmer. And that's the case 1817 01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,720 Speaker 1: where even though the pressure is high, if you're going 1818 01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,400 Speaker 1: by a high pressure, very much of pressure meeting, that's 1819 01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,559 Speaker 1: going to give you a false positive, meaning that the 1820 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,240 Speaker 1: best day was just two days earlier, when the temperature 1821 01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,920 Speaker 1: bottomed out and the conditions cleared, and a lot of 1822 01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,120 Speaker 1: that goes back to two even feeding, you go go 1823 01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,559 Speaker 1: back to that fear feeding five times to the twenty 1824 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,280 Speaker 1: four hour period that talked a lot about this in 1825 01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:40,200 Speaker 1: that Outdoor Life article Ture thousand fifteen. Then if if 1826 01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:43,040 Speaker 1: gear are pressured back to their betting areas because they're 1827 01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,800 Speaker 1: stressed out and they don't want to move because of 1828 01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:48,120 Speaker 1: the extremity of weather, they're missing quality feeding times and 1829 01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,320 Speaker 1: quality competing opportunities. So soon as that whether breaks, they 1830 01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,160 Speaker 1: want to put the feedback on. But just like you 1831 01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,479 Speaker 1: or I, if we were lost in the wilderness and 1832 01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,280 Speaker 1: we didn't have anything to eat for five days. The 1833 01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:58,920 Speaker 1: first thing we do want to get rescued is we 1834 01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:02,000 Speaker 1: pick out and what do you pick out the second day? 1835 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,640 Speaker 1: In the third day, And so once you pass that 1836 01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,599 Speaker 1: second day, third day, after that weather changes that feeding 1837 01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,799 Speaker 1: influence and that really that binge feeding to replenish your bellies. 1838 01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:14,639 Speaker 1: And you think about it, when a storm goes through, 1839 01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:19,680 Speaker 1: they're stressed out, so they're losing energy just pure stress. Um. 1840 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,679 Speaker 1: Even in you know, Minnesota, they rerouted snowbill trails around 1841 01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,600 Speaker 1: deer yards because they found that that would extend the 1842 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,519 Speaker 1: amount of energy that deer could actually expand throughout the 1843 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,080 Speaker 1: wintertime to actually relate to saving their life. You know, 1844 01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,639 Speaker 1: my dad days at the end of winter, harsh winter 1845 01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,160 Speaker 1: to their life because those snow bills aren't going by 1846 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,439 Speaker 1: and taking energy away just by stress. So when a 1847 01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,320 Speaker 1: front goes through deer, there's loud noises, it's windy, uh, 1848 01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,880 Speaker 1: they can burn the energy for stress. And then on 1849 01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,519 Speaker 1: top of that, it's getting colder, so they're burning energy 1850 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,640 Speaker 1: to stay alive and keep warm. And then third, the 1851 01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,160 Speaker 1: big ones, they're missing quality feeding opportunities. They might be 1852 01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,519 Speaker 1: stuck in their beds for five six seven feetings in 1853 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,400 Speaker 1: a row. So when that happens, it's kind of a 1854 01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,960 Speaker 1: triple ammy where they just want to feed as soon 1855 01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,479 Speaker 1: as that breaks, and so you know, as it relates 1856 01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:12,320 Speaker 1: to perimentum pressure, to me, it's more related to their 1857 01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,760 Speaker 1: their lost energy, the stress levels they received. They want 1858 01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,000 Speaker 1: to feed immediately after breaks and who cares what the 1859 01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,160 Speaker 1: level is at that point. And that's why I think 1860 01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,360 Speaker 1: you can have the same perimentum pressure level. And there's 1861 01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,479 Speaker 1: a snowstorm coming here, we've all seen it where deer 1862 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,120 Speaker 1: feeding out in the field. It's uh uh, you know, 1863 01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,639 Speaker 1: kind of a light packed snow that's coming down. It's 1864 01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,200 Speaker 1: one two inches three inches and deer just beating out 1865 01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:36,920 Speaker 1: in the field. They're running around like they have no 1866 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:39,479 Speaker 1: care in the world. But if there's a blizzard coming, 1867 01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,240 Speaker 1: they don't even leave their be their bedding areas. And 1868 01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,719 Speaker 1: you can have the same parimentum pressure reading at that time. 1869 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm moisture in the ear. They want to win wind 1870 01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,840 Speaker 1: speed um, maybe temperature change, ever might be. They know 1871 01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,960 Speaker 1: to stay back to their beds, parking out into the 1872 01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,160 Speaker 1: fields of beat even though you have relatively the same 1873 01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,920 Speaker 1: pressure meating. So again, they they're acting to pure tangibles 1874 01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,320 Speaker 1: that's something that I've really focused in on and it's 1875 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,799 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, two thousand pen I wrote 1876 01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,320 Speaker 1: my last book that all other white tens and so 1877 01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,720 Speaker 1: at that time as really uh, it was a bit 1878 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to write and really not focused on very much 1879 01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:18,360 Speaker 1: of pressure in and just be really clean about that 1880 01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,439 Speaker 1: algorithm approach. And I feel like you take the very 1881 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,240 Speaker 1: much of pressure out of the equation. It makes things 1882 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,360 Speaker 1: take a lot more sense. But when you're actually when 1883 01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,360 Speaker 1: they don't because you're eliminating a lot of false positives 1884 01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:35,640 Speaker 1: and false tectives. Man, this is uh, this is exactly 1885 01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:40,439 Speaker 1: the kind of the exactly the kind of just different 1886 01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,439 Speaker 1: level of insight that I always know i'm gonna get 1887 01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:46,800 Speaker 1: with you, Jeff, that I always enjoy because you and 1888 01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,920 Speaker 1: I are both in the best possible way. We are 1889 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,679 Speaker 1: both super nerds. We love to geek out on these 1890 01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:58,280 Speaker 1: little details. And uh, I always know when I get 1891 01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:59,960 Speaker 1: you on the phone, I'm gonna have a like mind 1892 01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,360 Speaker 1: the soul that I can that I can get into 1893 01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,439 Speaker 1: this stuff with. And I love it. But I know 1894 01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:10,120 Speaker 1: you've got you know it's the best. But I know 1895 01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,280 Speaker 1: you've got to get rolling here pretty soon to your 1896 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,240 Speaker 1: evening meeting and I've got to go too, So I 1897 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,040 Speaker 1: want to shift to just a rapid fire. A couple 1898 01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:22,360 Speaker 1: of questions here to wrap this up, and it's gonna 1899 01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,240 Speaker 1: be handful questions. Just just give me a one word 1900 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,519 Speaker 1: answer to these five quick ones and then we're gonna 1901 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,719 Speaker 1: shut it down. So some of the stuff we've talked 1902 01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,680 Speaker 1: about over the years, some of this we haven't. Um, 1903 01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,640 Speaker 1: but let's just see what you think on these. Just 1904 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,640 Speaker 1: first thing off top of your head, So are you 1905 01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:42,080 Speaker 1: are you ready for the rapid fire session? I think 1906 01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:46,880 Speaker 1: I am? Okay, all right? Does the moon matter to 1907 01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:54,520 Speaker 1: dear movement? Yes? Or no? Um? Yes? For morning feeding opportunities. 1908 01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:56,519 Speaker 1: That was more than one word, but I'll give you 1909 01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:03,559 Speaker 1: a pass, Jeff, would you it was sure? Would you 1910 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,080 Speaker 1: would you take a fifty yards shot at a white 1911 01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:11,439 Speaker 1: tail with your bow? Yes? Or no? All right? Yes? 1912 01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:16,080 Speaker 1: If you could only have one of these tools for 1913 01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,920 Speaker 1: the rest of your hunts, would it rather be a 1914 01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,639 Speaker 1: set of rattling antlers or a grunt? To You're can 1915 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:28,080 Speaker 1: only have one grunt alright, expandable or fixed blade broadheads 1916 01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:33,240 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life? Which one hybrid? That's cheating? 1917 01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:40,959 Speaker 1: But okay, you meant to ask that one too, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1918 01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,080 Speaker 1: I really do like those hybrids. All right? Should you 1919 01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,679 Speaker 1: stop a buck with some kind of sound before shooting 1920 01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:57,080 Speaker 1: with a bow? Yes? Or no? Wo um most of 1921 01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:01,439 Speaker 1: the time? Yeah? Okay, all right, Now, I know you've 1922 01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:04,280 Speaker 1: got farms in Minnesota and Wisconsin, so this one's gonna 1923 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,920 Speaker 1: be tough. Which state? Which state has better deer hunters? 1924 01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:16,519 Speaker 1: Minnesota or Wisconsin. Oh, I'm not gonna answer that. I 1925 01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:22,679 Speaker 1: don't honestly, I don't. Can I expand on this slightly? Yeah, yeah, 1926 01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:26,800 Speaker 1: I'll give you a path. I really have a lot 1927 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,080 Speaker 1: of respect for the wilderness type hunters and when you 1928 01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,320 Speaker 1: get into northern Minnesota and some of those wilderness type settings, uh, 1929 01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:38,960 Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin can be really rough, brutal wilderness. But the 1930 01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:42,200 Speaker 1: expansive aout of the wilderness in Minnesota and that people 1931 01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,479 Speaker 1: that consistently pulled big box, mature box out of that 1932 01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,800 Speaker 1: area without the eat of food or anything, they're just 1933 01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,519 Speaker 1: going in a hunt them. I have, you know, bad 1934 01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:53,680 Speaker 1: respect for them. Yeah, that is no easy task. That's 1935 01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,360 Speaker 1: not even Wisconsin and Minnesota hunters in general. It's just said, 1936 01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,479 Speaker 1: that's a pretty pretty cool area. I know some people 1937 01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,240 Speaker 1: are host monsters out of there and they do a 1938 01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:05,000 Speaker 1: consistently with nothing is you know, nothing more than the 1939 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,800 Speaker 1: woodsman chip and UH and honey experience to go back back. 1940 01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:12,680 Speaker 1: All right, So this can be a longer answer, a 1941 01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,920 Speaker 1: little bit longer answer. But here's one less scenario. Let's 1942 01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,240 Speaker 1: say I control the world. I I rule the world. 1943 01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,479 Speaker 1: I get to make all the decisions, and I'm going 1944 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:27,800 Speaker 1: to tell you, Jeff, that you cannot deer hunt for 1945 01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,559 Speaker 1: ten years. I'm gonna take away your deer hunting privileges 1946 01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:35,400 Speaker 1: for ten years unless unless you can kill a five 1947 01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:37,800 Speaker 1: year old buck this year. So if you kill five 1948 01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,519 Speaker 1: year old buck this year, you can keep on hunting. 1949 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,439 Speaker 1: But if you don't pull it off, you're done for 1950 01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:45,960 Speaker 1: ten years. But here's the rub. You only get one 1951 01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,000 Speaker 1: day to kill that five year old buck and you 1952 01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,800 Speaker 1: get one stand location, so you have a very high 1953 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,240 Speaker 1: stakes hunt. Tell me the date that you're going to 1954 01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,519 Speaker 1: choose for this hunt, and describe to me the tree 1955 01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,160 Speaker 1: stand you're gonna hunt. This is a very important hunt. 1956 01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:09,120 Speaker 1: You know that's interesting because you know we own we 1957 01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,800 Speaker 1: own our acre to Minnesota. UM, it's two acres that 1958 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,760 Speaker 1: do talk about that? So Um, you know, basically a 1959 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:18,720 Speaker 1: lifetime so far to get to that point. We have 1960 01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:23,360 Speaker 1: lots of stands, lots of activity. Um. I have a 1961 01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,880 Speaker 1: long history of hunting Wisconsin, even on that short that 1962 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,240 Speaker 1: small parcel I think this would be my eighth season. Um, 1963 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:37,559 Speaker 1: it's going to be November, uh five, and it'll be 1964 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:42,240 Speaker 1: on a ridge top in Wisconsin, on that small parcel 1965 01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,320 Speaker 1: um adjacent to a really nice betting area that's difficult 1966 01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:50,600 Speaker 1: to get into that stand and uh it's kind of 1967 01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,559 Speaker 1: in an X and a hubble movement, and I can 1968 01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,439 Speaker 1: blow my scent off either side of the ridge, um 1969 01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:00,639 Speaker 1: and even down the ridge because it's slopes down. And 1970 01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:04,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into that stand about just in time 1971 01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:08,000 Speaker 1: because I need to rely on thermals to carry my 1972 01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,280 Speaker 1: sons away in the morning hours. I get there hour 1973 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,599 Speaker 1: before light. There's a good chance that a box if 1974 01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,800 Speaker 1: during that area, could be down winded meba if the 1975 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,120 Speaker 1: thermost just sinking down belonging where That's not gonna happen 1976 01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:23,920 Speaker 1: at daybreak when the sun starts rising and things eat up. 1977 01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:27,000 Speaker 1: So um, and I'm gonna sit in that stand right 1978 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,479 Speaker 1: there all the way toil dark, just sitting that one 1979 01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:33,880 Speaker 1: stand and um, that would be uh, that would be 1980 01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:36,760 Speaker 1: where I'd take my chance on that small person, on 1981 01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,600 Speaker 1: a person that I know about. And uh, not to 1982 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:44,080 Speaker 1: say that there's not photo. I guess the history and 1983 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,960 Speaker 1: knowing some of those box pretty intimately in the area. 1984 01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:51,920 Speaker 1: And that's right. I take my chance, all right. I 1985 01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,559 Speaker 1: like it, and I like your chances. A better workout 1986 01:44:54,560 --> 01:45:00,320 Speaker 1: for you, Jeff. I enjoyed this. I always appreciate ats, 1987 01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,320 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your time making making this work on 1988 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,760 Speaker 1: the drive. So, Jeff, you have made it through the 1989 01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:10,479 Speaker 1: what would you do gauntlet? Nice and I'm almost through 1990 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:14,400 Speaker 1: Chicago fully, so that's a good thing too. I'm glad 1991 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,360 Speaker 1: that we could help pass the time through that sometimes 1992 01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,320 Speaker 1: miserable stretch of I eight or ninety or ninety four, 1993 01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:24,000 Speaker 1: whichever what bit you're on. So man, thank you, Jeff. 1994 01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time this is. Uh, this has been great, 1995 01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:31,519 Speaker 1: always enjoyable talking to you, and I really appreciate you 1996 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,840 Speaker 1: have me on the podcast. All right, and that's a wrap. 1997 01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:39,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed this one. Uh, 1998 01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,599 Speaker 1: be sure to go check out all of Jeff's content. 1999 01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:43,799 Speaker 1: He does great work. You can find it at the 2000 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,920 Speaker 1: white Tail habitat solutions dot com website. You can go 2001 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:50,280 Speaker 1: to the white Tail habitat Solutions YouTube channel. Um he's 2002 01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,040 Speaker 1: got a great set of online courses right now on 2003 01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,920 Speaker 1: his website too that if you're trying to go deeper 2004 01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,360 Speaker 1: into some of these topics, that will absolutely help you 2005 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,599 Speaker 1: do it. So check it all out. Uh, check out 2006 01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,320 Speaker 1: his books. Like I mentioned, they're all worth your time 2007 01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,600 Speaker 1: and energy. So with all out of the way, I 2008 01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,240 Speaker 1: appreciate you spending time here. I hope you enjoyed this one. 2009 01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:12,040 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. Jeff always is a guy that 2010 01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,599 Speaker 1: I can take something away from. So hoping you're feeling 2011 01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:17,639 Speaker 1: in the same way. And until next time, thank you 2012 01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,559 Speaker 1: and stay wired to HU