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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small

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Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor joy Hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or

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Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website

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Speaker 1: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you

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Speaker 1: love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is

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Speaker 1: not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with

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Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me for session three forty nine of the

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Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls podcast. Friday is International Women's Day,

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Speaker 1: and our team at Therapy for Black Girls is thrilled

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Speaker 1: to be participating in Iheart's International Women's Day initiative, Women

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Speaker 1: Take the Mic. International Women's Day is a day to

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Speaker 1: be intentional about celebrating the ways that women lead, inspire,

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Speaker 1: and change the world globally, locally, and personally. You may

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Speaker 1: have heard me share here on the podcast how inspired

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Speaker 1: I was by Beyonce's Renaissance tour and the way it

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Speaker 1: was able to give so many of us so much

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Speaker 1: joy and light in this past year. I've also been

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Speaker 1: inspired by my friend doctor ke Hallman, who has helped

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Speaker 1: hundreds of entrepreneurs across the country seement their businesses, my

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Speaker 1: friend Tanya Mason, who is successfully guiding young people into

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Speaker 1: the future as a high school principal in my day,

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Speaker 1: and her work to provide culturally relevant supplies to psychiatric hospitals,

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Speaker 1: and so many other women who are achieving their wildest

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Speaker 1: dreams and pouring back into the community. International Women's Day

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Speaker 1: is also an opportunity to reflect on all the ways

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Speaker 1: women have touched my life and had my back, and

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Speaker 1: a reminder to me to continue to be a conduit

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Speaker 1: for other women. My entire career has largely been possible

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Speaker 1: because black women made it. So you heard about the

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Speaker 1: podcast and then told your sister circle about it, You

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Speaker 1: found your therapist and our therapist directory, and then you

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Speaker 1: dropped it in the group jet. You grabbed your copy

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Speaker 1: of my book, Sisterhood Heels, and then you couldn't wait

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Speaker 1: to tell your book reading besties all about it. There

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Speaker 1: is quite literally no part of therapy for black girls

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Speaker 1: that could exist without other women having my back. And

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Speaker 1: I am so incredibly grateful. As we celebrate International Women's

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Speaker 1: Day this year, I hope to continue you to highlight

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Speaker 1: the brilliance and expertise of black women professionals in an

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Speaker 1: effort to provide knowledge and resources to our community. I

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Speaker 1: hope to continue to use my voice to chip away

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Speaker 1: at the stigma related to mental health. And I hope

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Speaker 1: to continue to facilitate spaces where Black women feel seen,

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Speaker 1: heard and affirmed. So here's a little confession that might

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Speaker 1: not be so hard to guess, but I love being

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Speaker 1: a girl's girl. When I think about celebrating women, one

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Speaker 1: of the first things that comes to mind for me

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Speaker 1: is being a girl's girl. That quote, be the woman

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Speaker 1: who fixes another woman's crown without telling the world it

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Speaker 1: talk about any concept, it's important to start with the definition.

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Speaker 2: About being a girl's girl, I mean extending grace and

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Speaker 2: offering support first and asking questions later. I'm referring to

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Speaker 2: But of course my definition is only one of many,

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Speaker 2: to be a girl's girl. Here's what they had to say. Karen,

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Speaker 2: and creative producer at Least shared, I think real girls

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Speaker 2: girls treat people how they want to be treated. The

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Speaker 2: highest form of love is consideration, and those who value

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Speaker 2: Our community manager Jasmine shared understanding that every girl might

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Speaker 2: not be your cup of tea, but we still write

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Speaker 2: at dawn. She also said we're not competing against other women,

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Speaker 2: I wrote about this in the book Sisterhood Heels. Celebrate

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Speaker 2: publicly and criticize privately. One of the ways we can

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Speaker 2: and being careful to offer criticism privately. Number two, be

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Speaker 2: on the lookout for sisters who may need your help

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Speaker 2: in an emergency situation. For example, if you're riding the

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Speaker 2: Three comes from my business manager Kia. Refrain from commenting

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Speaker 2: Number four. And I fully acknowledge that this one may

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Speaker 2: If we came together, we're leaving together. If you rolle

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Speaker 2: Number five. If you get an SOS call, go get

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Speaker 2: Consider that it probably took a lot for her to

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Speaker 2: Number seven comes from Zaria our podcast in turn, understand

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Speaker 2: that romantic partners are significant, but so are other relationships

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Speaker 2: than our lives. It is totally okay and good to

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Speaker 2: It's not okay to just brush them off when a

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Speaker 2: new book comes into the picture. Number eight keep the

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Speaker 2: these jobs that you have been so brilliantly trained for,

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Speaker 2: just remember that your real job is that if you

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Speaker 2: That is the goal. If you know something, share it

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Speaker 2: with others. This is how the collective becomes wiser and stronger.

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Speaker 2: We all go further faster by collaborating instead of competing.

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Speaker 2: Number nine. Share the names of colleagues when you aren't

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Speaker 2: some other opportunity and I'm not available or think somebody

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Speaker 2: Number ten. This is related to number nine. Look for

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Speaker 2: critical stepping stone. I will never forget that my first

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Speaker 2: major TV opportunity, co hosting MTV's Teen Mom Reunion, came

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Speaker 2: Number twelve. Apologize when you're wrong. Even when we think

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Speaker 2: By doing something special and number fourteen manage any feelings

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Speaker 2: you've likely heard me say this before, but being jealous

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Speaker 2: is not a bad thing. It's an emotion just like

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Speaker 2: I'd love for you to share with me on social

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Speaker 2: and what does this look like in practice. You can

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Speaker 2: at me personally I'm at Hello Doctor Joy across social

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Speaker 2: media channels, or you can add us at Therapy for

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Speaker 2: Black Girls across the channels including TikTok, and we'll be

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Speaker 2: sharing some of your responses. Don't forget to text two

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Speaker 2: of your girls and tell them to check out the

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Speaker 2: episode right now. As I mentioned earlier, This episode is

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Speaker 2: a part of iHeartRadio's International Women's Day celebration, and if

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Speaker 2: dot com. This episode was produced by Frieda. Lucas, Elise Ellis,

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Speaker 2: look forward to continuing this conversation with you all real

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