Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2: We wanted to chat about something that recently happened. There
Speaker 2: was a decision from the Supreme Court that said that
Speaker 2: the state of Tennessee was actually able to uphold a
Speaker 2: ban on transgender surgeries for miners. So I wanted to
Speaker 2: find someone who could chat about this. And there is
Speaker 2: a doctor in Texas who was very brave and came
Speaker 2: out and it was a whistleblower on the Texas Children's Hospital.
Speaker 1: Who was exposed.
Speaker 2: He exposed them for performing sex change surgeries on miners
Speaker 2: after they announced that they would.
Speaker 1: Stop those surgeries.
Speaker 2: So doctor Aton him, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: me today.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 2: First off, I want to say having gone through what
Speaker 2: you did, because I think it's bigger than just being
Speaker 2: a whistleblower. And this is something that I think people
Speaker 2: need to understand, is that you came out And were
Speaker 2: you a resident at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I was a surgical resident at Baylor College Medicine.
Speaker 3: And one the hospitals that we spend the most time
Speaker 3: working at is Texas Children's Hospital. You know which really
Speaker 3: is It's one of the most amazing hospitals in the
Speaker 3: world because of what they can do for these sick kids.
Speaker 3: But the administration in this clinic, what they were doing
Speaker 3: was just egregious. And when the Supreme Court decision especially
Speaker 3: is you know, it was very important for me. It
Speaker 3: was a very big deal because I blew the I
Speaker 3: blew the whistle anonymously right May sixteenth, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: exposing this fact this was happening at TCH. And then
Speaker 3: the next day, Texas passed SB fourteen, which was the
Speaker 3: law that would ban these gender interventions for children. So
Speaker 3: within twenty four hours of this story coming out, what
Speaker 3: we had exposed was made illegal in the state of Texas.
Speaker 3: And this Supreme Court decision what was going to impact
Speaker 3: that law? So it was you know, it was following
Speaker 3: it very closely. And yeah, I played a big part
Speaker 3: in this story.
Speaker 2: So this Supreme Court decision and came out, it was
Speaker 2: interesting to me because you saw Democrats just kind of
Speaker 2: losing their minds. They were all on the news going saying,
Speaker 2: how could you do this? How could you take away
Speaker 2: these rights from children. It's hard for me to even
Speaker 2: talk about I am someone I've said on the program
Speaker 2: many times, who I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I've
Speaker 2: gone through a double mistectomy.
Speaker 1: I see that they do this to fifteen year old girls.
Speaker 2: And I just think, what a nightmare that these children
Speaker 2: have no idea what the lifelong impact of this is.
Speaker 2: And I heard you talking about this, and you said,
Speaker 2: you know, we have these these medications, and these are
Speaker 2: some of the most severe, highly.
Speaker 3: The most powerful ever created, most powerful of medicine. It's true,
Speaker 3: it's true. It's it's insane.
Speaker 2: And I found that interesting because it is because it
Speaker 2: changes who you are, and it goes into your body,
Speaker 2: and your hormones regulate your entire system. And I think
Speaker 2: people don't understand your hormones regulate your entire system. And
Speaker 2: they also this is a critical moment for these kids
Speaker 2: because their bodies are changing, and these people want to
Speaker 2: force this upon children who can't make this decision for themselves.
Speaker 2: On top of that, you're also getting these these surgeries,
Speaker 2: which I've talked to some kids that have detransitioned it,
Speaker 2: and they believe that it is.
Speaker 1: They are butchered on purpose.
Speaker 2: There's some sort of weird gratification of these surgeons doing this,
Speaker 2: And I just want to know what do you think
Speaker 2: about that you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's you know how it is right, you had
Speaker 3: to double missect me. And that's really one that I don't.
Speaker 1: Look the way those pictures look. That's the shocking thing
Speaker 1: to me when I see these kids that have this
Speaker 1: hideous scar across their chest. But that's not what I
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 3: And you know, I remember doing, you know, doing these
Speaker 3: surgeries and residency and when you talk to these women
Speaker 3: and go through the informed consent process, it's such an
Speaker 3: important thing because they're losing their breasts. It's a part
Speaker 3: of them, right, It's what they had, how they took
Speaker 3: care of their babies. Right, it's part of their natural being,
Speaker 3: and you're removing that. In your case, you had breast cancer.
Speaker 3: There's a reason for it, Like when the doctor is saying,
Speaker 3: you know, you have to have the surgery because you just.
Speaker 2: Said something so critical. You talked about what it meant
Speaker 2: to these women, this emotional discussion that you had with them,
Speaker 2: and you said, this is how they took care of
Speaker 2: their babies, you know what, because they had that chance.
Speaker 2: And I went through all of that. I found out
Speaker 2: that I had cancer when I was still nursing my twins.
Speaker 1: I was still going through that part of life.
Speaker 2: And I know women who have had this when they
Speaker 2: have little babies and they have to make that decision
Speaker 2: do I just do this now and we cut that
Speaker 2: off and if I have more children that won't be
Speaker 2: a part of that story, or they do it before
Speaker 2: they have children, but they are adults making that decision
Speaker 2: and knowing that this changes who they are, It changes
Speaker 2: who they were.
Speaker 1: A part of them is no longer there as an adult.
Speaker 1: That's hard, and that's.
Speaker 3: Why the role of the doctor is so important because
Speaker 3: whenever you do anything to anyone, a medication, a surgery, anything,
Speaker 3: you understand that the potential of that thing to be
Speaker 3: therapeutic can also be destructive, which is why the principle
Speaker 3: of medicine is do no harm. Right. It's not like
Speaker 3: the military where it's like defend the constitution or police,
Speaker 3: you know, protect and serve. These are like positive things
Speaker 3: like things you do in medicine. It's do no harm.
Speaker 3: It's a warning. It's saying, don't screw this up, right,
Speaker 3: because there has to be this inherent caution in what
Speaker 3: we do. If we do something to anyone, there has
Speaker 3: to be a good reason. And in these general interventions,
Speaker 3: what more people are waking up to know, which has
Speaker 3: been true all along, is that it's completely fraudulent, right,
Speaker 3: what they're telling these people is not true. The idea
Speaker 3: that this decreases the risk of people killing themselves was
Speaker 3: always lie. They never had any studies to support that.
Speaker 3: But plus, it makes no sense. You can't just give
Speaker 3: a confused kid blockers a bunch of hormones and do
Speaker 3: surgery on them and then tell them for the rest
Speaker 3: of their life. They have to lie and expect that
Speaker 3: person to be in a better state of mental health
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 2: So that was something that I thought was key to
Speaker 2: of what you said, because you're saying these are the
Speaker 2: most powerful medications we give for disease, and that is
Speaker 2: to solve a medical problem. And I know some of
Speaker 2: the lupron and everything is given to women who are
Speaker 2: trying to get pregnant there and they understand this is
Speaker 2: I remember when my aunt was on that and it
Speaker 2: was just really hard on her.
Speaker 1: As an adult, it was very hard on her. It
Speaker 1: took her.
Speaker 2: Through mood swings and every it just changes. It's changing
Speaker 2: your hormones. This changes who you are, and it was
Speaker 2: very challenge. But that there was a that was a
Speaker 2: temporary fix to get to a solution and then move on.
Speaker 1: This is life that these kids are on this.
Speaker 2: But the point that you made was this is something
Speaker 2: that we treat disease with.
Speaker 1: I was a psych major. I know how we.
Speaker 2: Studied these these mental illnesses. And it was not there's
Speaker 2: not a solution, that's the problem. It wasn't like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: if you have a broken arm, you said it and
Speaker 2: it's fixed. If you have gender dysphoria, changing this person's
Speaker 2: gender and causing all different medical issues for them does
Speaker 2: not make them mentally healthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not even possible to change gender. It's
Speaker 3: just changing physical characteristics and then depriving that person of
Speaker 3: their natural hormones and then giving them the hormones of
Speaker 3: the opposite sex. It's like the and in this case,
Speaker 3: this idea that it's their gender identity that's not a
Speaker 3: sign that birth quote unquote right, Like it's it's a
Speaker 3: biological fiction, you know. It's what they're telling these patients
Speaker 3: is not true. That's why I like the informed consent issue.
Speaker 3: People say, well, kids can't consent, Well, it's their parents
Speaker 3: who consent. But no patient can consent. No parent consent,
Speaker 3: can't consent to their child if they're being misinformed by
Speaker 3: their doctor. Right, Like if it's like if someone did
Speaker 3: double mass sect me and the patient didn't have cancer,
Speaker 3: but the doctor told them they have cancer. Even if
Speaker 3: they signed the form, you couldn't say that's informed consent
Speaker 3: because the patient was being deceived. And and you know,
Speaker 3: to see three justices on the Supreme Court and in
Speaker 3: sod of my oors dissent, it's not even bad logic.
Speaker 3: It's not like it's a few degrees away from what's true.
Speaker 3: It's anti logic. It's the intentional manipulation of reason and
Speaker 3: objective reality in order to ensure that healthy young children
Speaker 3: are mulated, sterilized and their lives destroyed. And to think
Speaker 3: that three people on the highest court of this country
Speaker 3: had dissented to preventing that is absolutely shocking because in
Speaker 3: our country this is an eighty twenty issue. On the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court, this is a sixty six percent issue.
Speaker 2: I mean, And in other countries this has been stopped
Speaker 2: and other countries have said this is not the right answer.
Speaker 1: This should not be done to children.
Speaker 2: And you know what, people do weird experimental things all
Speaker 2: the time when they're adults. I've seen people get horns
Speaker 2: in their head and everything else under the sun. And
Speaker 2: if you want to do something bizarre to your body
Speaker 2: as an adult, I guess there's someone out there that's
Speaker 2: going to do it to you.
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I really don't understand how legally a doctor can do
Speaker 2: this with this what they call bottom surgery, because I
Speaker 2: have heard so many nightmare stories about these men who
Speaker 2: have their genitals changed over to look like women's and
Speaker 2: there are endless incontinent issues, and I mean there's never
Speaker 2: a good story.
Speaker 1: There's almost never that you hear.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a beautiful transition for me.
Speaker 3: You know, it's to really understand what it means, like
Speaker 3: quote unquote bottom surgery. The whore only becomes greater the
Speaker 3: more you understand, because like these are areas that you know,
Speaker 3: I operated right the when you remove the penis, right,
Speaker 3: you have to remove the penis, the testicles. You have
Speaker 3: to create a womb cavity in between the bladder and
Speaker 3: the rectum. That is a very dangerous area to operate
Speaker 3: because you have all this healing tissue in this womb cavity.
Speaker 3: Whenever you have healing tissue in the body, what's going
Speaker 3: to happen is it tends to form fiscial attracts, which
Speaker 3: is just a connection, you know, So that can happen
Speaker 3: between this new cavity in the bladder or this new
Speaker 3: wound cavity like.
Speaker 1: A scar tissue connection or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so you can pour stool out of your
Speaker 3: new you know, quote unquote neovagiana, which is just a
Speaker 3: massive wound. And I deal with these issues in cases
Speaker 3: in other diseases like diverticulitis or cancer. Yeah, so people
Speaker 3: will urinate full pieces of stool, you know, and chronic UTIs.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is what they live with. But the
Speaker 3: people I take care of, they have this problem because
Speaker 3: of a physiological disease. The kids who have this problem,
Speaker 3: adults who are manipulated into having their doctrines do this
Speaker 3: to them. They were deceived into it.
Speaker 1: I so I don't understand, Like this is going to
Speaker 1: get really graphic. But I have never.
Speaker 2: Understood because I assume that if you want to change gender,
Speaker 2: you want if you're a man and you want to
Speaker 2: be a woman, you still want to have a relationship
Speaker 2: with someone, Like at some point this person still has
Speaker 2: that natural desire to have a connection with another human being,
Speaker 2: maybe a physical relationship, maybe a marriage someday. And I
Speaker 2: know that after my surgery, you're cutting through.
Speaker 1: Nerves that you don't feel. I don't have the sensation
Speaker 1: that I had before.
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine what it's like in the bottom surgery,
Speaker 2: as they call it, because do you have any How
Speaker 2: do you not cut through all the nerves? How do
Speaker 2: you have any feeling after that? And that to me
Speaker 2: is like that's a critical part of having sex with someone.
Speaker 3: I as a surgeon, I can't I really can't even fathom.
Speaker 3: It's something that's so truly horrifying too, you know, because
Speaker 3: for me it's something very meaningful because every time I
Speaker 3: bring a patient to an operating room, right, a lot
Speaker 3: of times, if it's an emergency case or something, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe only you have twenty minutes to get to know them.
Speaker 3: And even in these cases, these surgeons only meet these
Speaker 3: people for a certain period's time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's what people don't know your surgeon. You
Speaker 2: don't spend a lot of time with.
Speaker 3: And then when you bring them to an operating room,
Speaker 3: they are unconscious, they're naked, they're paralyzed, they're strapped to
Speaker 3: a bed, they're surrounded by strangers. All those strangers have
Speaker 3: very sharp objects, and that surgeon is going to cut
Speaker 3: into your body and change you permanently. So if as
Speaker 3: a surgeon, when you bring someone to an operating room,
Speaker 3: you have to make sure the reason you're bringing them
Speaker 3: is damn good. You have to make sure that they
Speaker 3: know that there are benefits of whatever you're doing to
Speaker 3: them outweigh the risks. And if you violate that person's
Speaker 3: trust and you do something to them that that was
Speaker 3: not needed, that's something that's horrifying. Because things go wrong
Speaker 3: in the operating room. You know, things go really wrong.
Speaker 3: People can die, people can die afterwards. But to bring
Speaker 3: them into a surgery that had no potential benefit, to
Speaker 3: put them into that situation where there's there's no way
Speaker 3: they can benefit, is I mean, that's the reason I
Speaker 3: put everything in the line. Ten years in prison.
Speaker 1: I was talking no benefit.
Speaker 2: I mean what you're telling me and what my mind
Speaker 2: has been able to wrap itself around when I hear
Speaker 2: about these surgeries, it's not just no benefit.
Speaker 1: This is lifelong pain.
Speaker 3: It's it's anti benefit, it's anti medicine, this is the
Speaker 3: introduction of disease, this is the definition of iatrogenesis, which
Speaker 3: is doctor induced damage. This is uh, it's something that
Speaker 3: is unfathomable in like the world of some of so
Speaker 3: called enlightenment, right, it's truly because at least.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to get people to see this though,
Speaker 2: because people have come out and they, i mean people
Speaker 2: have killed themselves because of these surgeries. We've had multiple
Speaker 2: people point out they've followed somebody on Reddit who's gone
Speaker 2: through this journey. And a lot of times when this happens,
Speaker 2: people do document the journey publicly, and oftentimes they're documenting
Speaker 2: the journey publicly up to the moment because there's so
Speaker 2: much excitement around it and there's so much encouragement to
Speaker 2: do it. You see these young people who are sixteen, seventeen,
Speaker 2: eighteen years old and they have an entire community that
Speaker 2: suddenly comes around them at a moment when life is
Speaker 2: just hard. You're going through so many things, and we
Speaker 2: talked about what those hormones.
Speaker 1: Do to you.
Speaker 2: They do mess with your brain at that point in
Speaker 2: your life, because you're growing, you're changing. Hormones are not
Speaker 2: something you want to mess with. And these kids get
Speaker 2: into a place where they feel alone and then suddenly
Speaker 2: they get into this online community where people are like, fantastic,
Speaker 2: you get to be a part of what we are
Speaker 2: and now you will change your body too. And then
Speaker 2: when they go through the surgery, the documentation continues and
Speaker 2: it becomes so much darker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've taken care of a number of patients,
Speaker 3: people who I who believe that they're transgender after they
Speaker 3: try to commit suicide. People jumping in front of trains,
Speaker 3: people trying and blow their heads off of shotguns, swallowing
Speaker 3: razor blades and these things happen down the road. It's horrifying.
Speaker 3: And to see the end result. And I think the reason,
Speaker 3: to go back to your original question, like, why is
Speaker 3: it so difficult for people to see it right? I
Speaker 3: think people bought into it in the beginning because it's
Speaker 3: something you can't conceive, right. The doctor's, major medical organizations,
Speaker 3: the government, they were unanimous in supporting it. And now
Speaker 3: the reality of it people are waking up to and
Speaker 3: they have to come to terms with the fact that
Speaker 3: they were complicit and one of the greatest crimes against
Speaker 3: children in the history of medicine. The severity of that
Speaker 3: is so profound for an individual to truly acknowledge that.
Speaker 3: I believe the people who drove this, the people who
Speaker 3: had defended it, there's no way for them to ever
Speaker 3: come back, because if they truly self reflect on what
Speaker 3: they've done, I believe that like self reflection is going
Speaker 3: to lead to their self immolation because imagine if that
Speaker 3: was you. Imagine if the people you were calling monsters,
Speaker 3: you know, the people you were saying, you know, we're
Speaker 3: the ones who wanted to damage and harm these kids,
Speaker 3: when it was actually you who was harming him. Right?
Speaker 3: Is there anything more evil than that? And how many
Speaker 3: innocent parents were sucked into this road and told to
Speaker 3: believe it. You know, it's I mean, it's the most
Speaker 3: vicious thing.
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Speaker 2: I have seen my kids grow up and go through
Speaker 2: so many different phases of life. I mean, for kids,
Speaker 2: you watch the different things that they like and the
Speaker 2: personalities that they are.
Speaker 1: And I mean we've gone through.
Speaker 2: Princesses to anime, to Harry Potter, to you know, Tom Boys,
Speaker 2: to sparkles and makeup and everything. I mean, and it's
Speaker 2: always forever changing. And I mean, I can look back
Speaker 2: on my own life and I remember my gosh, I
Speaker 2: remember having a pager and you know, skater jeans and
Speaker 2: big baggy flannels, and I wouldn't wear that now, you know.
Speaker 2: But there are those things that you kids go through
Speaker 2: phases where they find something to be incredibly cool, and
Speaker 2: then you look back on it you go, gosh, I
Speaker 2: can't believe that. I mean, my one daughter was like, mom,
Speaker 2: please take everything Harry Potter out of my room.
Speaker 1: And and you know, at.
Speaker 2: That time, gosh, she could have been tattooed in Harry Potter.
Speaker 2: She loved it so much, you know. And I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to make.
Speaker 1: Light of this.
Speaker 2: I just why can't we have that conversation that kids
Speaker 2: go through phases and there are not this many transgender
Speaker 2: kids in the world, and it is documented. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the crazy part, Timmy. It is documented in
Speaker 2: the DSM that this is a the gender dysphoria exists,
Speaker 2: but it is incredibly rare and it has always been
Speaker 2: in there and it has always been incredibly rare, and
Speaker 2: there is no chance that there has been this sudden
Speaker 2: search in this one mental disorder.
Speaker 3: And just for the record, I still do have a pager, so.
Speaker 1: You are in a little bit different situation. I was
Speaker 1: probably like typing hello in numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I think like, why can't we
Speaker 3: have this conversation about like you know this, These are phases,
Speaker 3: and these are children and even for adults. Right, people
Speaker 3: can go through hard times and look for comfort in
Speaker 3: a community. The reason we can't have those conversations that
Speaker 3: people are so antagonistic towards it is because to open
Speaker 3: the door for their own mistakes is going to open
Speaker 3: the door for something very very dark. And that's why
Speaker 3: I think, you know, going to the future of this issue, right,
Speaker 3: like where we go from here? These people are not
Speaker 3: going to give up right now.
Speaker 1: How do you find it? How do you fight it?
Speaker 3: This is the way you do it. So this is
Speaker 3: something you know of course. Now, the FEDS when they
Speaker 3: came after me, when they wanted to send me to
Speaker 3: prison for ten years, right when they when the prosecutor threatened.
Speaker 1: My blowing the whistle, they wanted to throw you in prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when they threatened my wife. My wife had
Speaker 3: just been hired as a prosecutor with a Department of
Speaker 3: Justice and in Dallas, and the first call, the prosecutor
Speaker 3: threatened my wife and said, you know, you know, she's
Speaker 3: not going to have any problems unless she continues to
Speaker 3: become difficult, right, because she was gosh what that's yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, she was undergoing a background check, and my
Speaker 3: wife had advised me to not speak with the agents
Speaker 3: when they first came to my home. Right. That was
Speaker 3: the first thing she told my attorneys in that call,
Speaker 3: and that's documented by my attorneys sent that to Congress,
Speaker 3: so that's on the record. Well, no, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: like the prosecutor, her whole family was embedded with TCH
Speaker 3: and Baylor College Medicine. You know, she, uh, withdrew yourself
Speaker 3: from the case right after I exposed these conflicts. So
Speaker 3: in TCCH and Baylor College Medicine, weere the victims in
Speaker 3: the indictment. Not that they were talking about patients, but
Speaker 3: that's kind of a separate issue. But you know, they
Speaker 3: they tried to destroy my life, right, and so I
Speaker 3: did everything I could fight back, and in that process, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, they they changed who I was. Right, They
Speaker 3: had given me a purpose to in this fight to
Speaker 3: try to end it because I saw what these people
Speaker 3: are capable of. So what do we do from here? Right? Like,
Speaker 3: how do we fight it? I think there's a few avenues.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of very very discreet things you can
Speaker 3: do to really inflict some massive victories. So if you
Speaker 3: look at you know, some of the literature in the
Speaker 3: transgender medicine circles, right, a lot of them. What they
Speaker 3: do is the when whenever you treat something as a doctor,
Speaker 3: you have to have two things a diagnosis code, treatment code.
Speaker 3: Those two things have to make sense. Appendicitis appendectomy right
Speaker 3: for these quote unquote gender firm and care, it's gender
Speaker 3: dysphoria and then hormones surgery whatever. Right, that's that's like
Speaker 3: the idea. But say you're in a red state and
Speaker 3: they pass a law to ban it, or maybe you're
Speaker 3: in a blue state. You work at a children's hospital.
Speaker 3: Your hospital will lose funding if you're doing this to children.
Speaker 3: How do you conceal it? Right? How do you conceal
Speaker 3: these things? Well, you know these organizations have documents online
Speaker 3: to show you how to conceal it, how to commit
Speaker 3: medical frauds something people go to prison for. So right,
Speaker 3: for example, you know, you want to prescribe a boy
Speaker 3: estrogen for you know, for because he believes is transgender.
Speaker 3: How do you do that in a red state and
Speaker 3: not get caught? Well, in the medical chart you document
Speaker 3: he's a female. Right, you can do that in an epic.
Speaker 3: You can do that in any chart. And then for
Speaker 3: the diagnosis code, what do you say estrogen deficiency? Right?
Speaker 3: When the insurance company sees that they see female estrogen
Speaker 3: deficiency treatment CPT code.
Speaker 1: That insurance fraud.
Speaker 3: That's insurance fraud. So these organizations have have like documents
Speaker 3: to uh to explain how to do that. For for
Speaker 3: a mass sectimy, how do you do that? Right? Girl?
Speaker 3: You she's a woman, you say in the medical chart
Speaker 3: she's a male. Right, diagnosis code guid in coomassia treatment
Speaker 3: breast reduction, mass sectomy. So insurance company sees male guindic
Speaker 3: comasia breast reduction or you know, breast tissue removal. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's a crime. That's a federal crime. People get
Speaker 3: a prison for that. And this is not something that like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just making up, but the Attorney General
Speaker 3: of Texas has is going after three doctor for these
Speaker 3: same exact schemes, which he alleges is true. They have
Speaker 3: to go through a case and prove the facts. But
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't tell you necessarily details. But I've
Speaker 3: spoken to on these doctors, or was on a conversation
Speaker 3: where one of these doctors had admitted this themselves.
Speaker 2: That powerful you talk about these organizations, I assume it's
Speaker 2: similar to what we see with some of these groups
Speaker 2: that are promoting political ideologies. I mean, to me, this
Speaker 2: is a political ideology that just happens to cut into children,
Speaker 2: which is disgusting. But you talk about these groups that
Speaker 2: teach them how to do this. How powerful are these groups?
Speaker 2: Because what we find on the political side is that
Speaker 2: there's a massive amount of money behind this.
Speaker 1: So how powerful and why are they powerful?
Speaker 3: And so they're very powerful because they have the money,
Speaker 3: and especially they're even more powerful and they protect the
Speaker 3: protect the doctors in blue states, you know, for example,
Speaker 3: doctors and blue states they have to turn generals, they
Speaker 3: have the state prosecutors. So how can we uncover these
Speaker 3: crimes and make these doctors much less likely to do
Speaker 3: this to kids? And what we need is whistleblowers or
Speaker 3: there's also banks of data that can look at insurance
Speaker 3: coding for every doctor in the country, you can look to.
Speaker 1: See, yeah, that's interesting, and then you could find a pattern.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. So for example, Do No Harm had
Speaker 3: released a database called Stop the Harm that looked at
Speaker 3: all the surgeries for children in the country using the
Speaker 3: diagnosis code of gender dysphoria. But that doesn't count all
Speaker 3: the fraudulent diagnosis codes. So you use that data bank.
Speaker 3: You look at patterns over a period of time before
Speaker 3: January twentieth, twenty twenty five after January twenty twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: If you see a certain pattern where there's an increase
Speaker 3: in for example, estrogen in defficiency. Sasare in defficiency, endocrine abnormality,
Speaker 3: unspecified post surgical hypoconatas. These are all ICD codes which
Speaker 3: are used to conceal the fact that Jender Firm and
Speaker 3: Care quote unquote is done for children. So they're powerful.
Speaker 3: These organizations Blue Stage are powerful. But we have the
Speaker 3: federal government. There's a Department of Justice. These are federal
Speaker 3: crimes which are easily definable, easily provable, and so there's
Speaker 3: group of people, you know, myself being one of those
Speaker 3: who are working on making sure this is exposed to
Speaker 3: allow the DOJ to pursue prosecutions.
Speaker 2: So we have a situation in Michigan. I've talked about
Speaker 2: it on the podcast before.
Speaker 3: When Michigan, you know, I was just talking to a
Speaker 3: couple people state people in Michigan who are in your legislature.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you'll see something coming.
Speaker 2: Good because in Michigan, we also get locked out of
Speaker 2: our child's medical report after twelve years old. When the
Speaker 2: kid turns twelve.
Speaker 3: Twelve years old. Wait, hold on twelve years old? How's
Speaker 3: that pot twelve? You can't see anything.
Speaker 1: No, I want it.
Speaker 2: California, New York, Michigan. I think there's other states too.
Speaker 2: Something in federal law change and these states came in
Speaker 2: and said, okay, like the my chart. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys have my chart. My chart, so my chart.
Speaker 2: I no longer have access to my child's my chart
Speaker 2: once they turned twelve in the state of Michigan. So
Speaker 2: my daughter had My daughter turned twelve on June fifth.
Speaker 2: She had a medical test done on June eleventh. I'm
Speaker 2: driving home and it hits me. I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I can't get into her chart. She has to sign
Speaker 2: me over as her medical proxy. And then I can
Speaker 2: see limited stuff. I can't even see big stuff, but
Speaker 2: I can see limited stuff like blood tests and things.
Speaker 2: So I called the doctor's office and I say, because
Speaker 2: she had this at a specialist, I have to go
Speaker 2: to her pediatrician. I call the office and I say, hey,
Speaker 2: she just turned twelve. Can we come in and sign this?
Speaker 2: And they said, you can sign it on September tenth
Speaker 2: when she has her well child visit September tenth, and
Speaker 2: I said, are you nuts?
Speaker 1: I would like to see her. We just had all
Speaker 1: this test done. I'd like to see them.
Speaker 2: And they said, I'm sorry, we can't make an appointment
Speaker 2: just to get your child to sign a medical proxy.
Speaker 2: You can hear you can, so she can't. The kicker
Speaker 2: is she can't have her my chart either. She doesn't
Speaker 2: have an email or anything. She can't get into her
Speaker 2: my chart. She is too young to have on my chart.
Speaker 2: So I cannot get the medical tests that we were
Speaker 2: just run on her because she has not signed me
Speaker 2: over as medical proxy.
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start we have.
Speaker 2: I talked to the pediatrician's office about this, and she
Speaker 2: said there are kids in town who have STDs and
Speaker 2: they cannot tell the parents that the kids have STDs
Speaker 2: because they have they don't have their they have not
Speaker 2: been signed over as medical proxy, and the kids don't
Speaker 2: want to tell the parents that they have STDs. So
Speaker 2: she said, I have kids that will have permanent damage
Speaker 2: because they are not getting treated for an STD that
Speaker 2: they have because they are afraid to tell their parents.
Speaker 2: Their parents don't know that they came in here, we
Speaker 2: tested them, and I know they're sick, and their parents
Speaker 2: don't get to know.
Speaker 3: I that's so crazy. I uh, there's so many problems
Speaker 3: with that. I I can't I've never honestly, I've never
Speaker 3: heard that. That's the craziest thing in the world, because,
Speaker 3: like you know, I mean I take care of some kids.
Speaker 3: You know, if there's like a twelve thirteen year old
Speaker 3: who's like a little bit bigger pretty much an adult,
Speaker 3: right like surgically you know, in some instance, but I
Speaker 3: to think, like pathology, lass, I mean, how you get
Speaker 3: I would think the kid, even the kid, if they're
Speaker 3: how could they access it? Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's a horror show.
Speaker 2: And it just it was just implemented a few years ago,
Speaker 2: and it shocks me that more people don't just go
Speaker 2: crazy over this. I mean, I'm like, how is it possible?
Speaker 2: So the doctor refers me to a specialist because she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: your daughter is at the one percent point of the
Speaker 2: growth chart. We might have to have an intervention, but
Speaker 2: I will not know until September.
Speaker 1: Why how can this be?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That's uh, you know, you're like.
Speaker 1: Don't found it because how could this be? This is
Speaker 1: Democrat policy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I should have something to say,
Speaker 3: but I'm like you, I feel the same way. That's
Speaker 3: that's the crazy thing.
Speaker 2: So we need doctors like you to become active on
Speaker 2: things like this. And I'm I'm actually serious because I
Speaker 2: feel like there's so much of this type of stuff
Speaker 2: going on because these laws are getting passed and parents
Speaker 2: aren't aware, and then parents are suddenly in a position
Speaker 2: where they're vulnerable, they can't help their own child, or
Speaker 2: their child is getting pushed into something. And to me,
Speaker 2: this is being done so that they can do the abortions,
Speaker 2: so that they can manage the getting them the birth control,
Speaker 2: but also for transgender surgeries, because I believe that.
Speaker 1: There is so much money in that that is just
Speaker 1: too tempting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, I mean It's like I'm just thinking,
Speaker 3: like we you know, sometimes you do surge around kids
Speaker 3: for cancer and when the pathology comes back and to
Speaker 3: make sure that you kind of have access or you
Speaker 3: do imaging, do I make sure that you can look
Speaker 3: at it to have right because you know, you have
Speaker 3: right to to look at that information, of course is
Speaker 3: better put in perspective with the assistance of a doctor.
Speaker 3: But that's that's crazy. That's Uh. When did when did
Speaker 3: that go into effect?
Speaker 2: I think that my oldest was it just went into
Speaker 2: effect when she was twelve, so probably about four years ago.
Speaker 3: Four years ago? What what? Oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Michigan has lots its mind. Yes, that's nuts. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's so many problems with that. It's to think, you know,
Speaker 3: because kids have no idea what's going on, you have
Speaker 3: to have the parents to like if if I'm if
Speaker 3: I'm doing something to a kid, I'm not talking to
Speaker 3: the kid. I'm kind of kind of them, but I'm talking.
Speaker 1: To the parents, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: Not like there's there's no situation like if I only
Speaker 3: talk to the kid, you know, and I'm not directing
Speaker 3: my attention to the parents, I look like a psychopath, right, right,
Speaker 3: you look like a crazy personific, even if they're seventeen.
Speaker 2: Right. Yes, so my pediatrician had to take my child
Speaker 2: to the side of the room while I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: and say to her, here's the situation.
Speaker 1: Your mom can no.
Speaker 2: Longer get any of your records, any of your results
Speaker 2: for tests, or make your appointments. If you want mom
Speaker 2: to be able to make your appointments, you can sign
Speaker 2: this piece of paper. So if you don't sign this
Speaker 2: piece of paper, just want to make it clear that
Speaker 2: from now on, all of your well child visits and everything,
Speaker 2: you have to call yourself and make them.
Speaker 1: She's twelve, you have to.
Speaker 2: Call yourself and make them, and then you will have
Speaker 2: to call the doctor's office and verify that it's you
Speaker 2: to get your medical records. But put you can sign
Speaker 2: this piece of paper and mom can do that. And
Speaker 2: then if you change your mind and you come in
Speaker 2: here and you want to talk to me about something
Speaker 2: you don't want mom to know about, we'll rip this
Speaker 2: paper up.
Speaker 3: So you were saying that was in the room with
Speaker 3: you there, Yes, so so they like the guy the
Speaker 3: doctor took your kid aside with you in the room,
Speaker 3: But like you mean, like to a corner of the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sitting there, and it's like they go sit
Speaker 2: in the corner, and I mean, it's not like I
Speaker 2: can't hear. I could hear the conversation. It was like,
Speaker 2: but just so you know, look at me, you and
Speaker 2: I are having this conversation.
Speaker 1: Mom's not involved. That's how sick it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry for kind of digging into this, but
Speaker 3: as it's just so insane as a doctor, So you're saying,
Speaker 3: you guys are in this appointment, you and your daughter
Speaker 3: are saying across from the pediatrician, right, and then at
Speaker 3: this moment in time when he wants to have this
Speaker 3: kind of side conversation, you're saying, this pediatrician takes your
Speaker 3: daughter to side the room that you're still in.
Speaker 2: You're right, It's like they move over, they sit down,
Speaker 2: they hand the piece of paper to her and say,
Speaker 2: this is the situation. So what you need to do
Speaker 2: is if you want mom to be involved, sign this.
Speaker 2: But just so you're clear, anytime you don't want mom involved,
Speaker 2: you come to the office, we'll rip it up.
Speaker 3: It was the room just consumed with awkwardness. Did this
Speaker 3: guy not like, oh, Mike, we're not looking at this
Speaker 3: doctor like are you an insane person? Like did? They
Speaker 3: then rejoin the conversation.
Speaker 2: And it was like it was first a conversation of like,
Speaker 2: we have to have this conversation with your daughter, just
Speaker 2: so you know, a new law went into effect. This
Speaker 2: with my oldest. This is how when a new law
Speaker 2: went into effect, we're sort of learning about it ourselves.
Speaker 2: We have to have a conversation with your daughter now
Speaker 2: to discuss how she can get her medical records. You
Speaker 2: can sit here and listen to what we say to
Speaker 2: her now. I think actually they asked her, do you
Speaker 2: want mom to leave the room? I think she could
Speaker 2: have ordered me out at that point, and there is
Speaker 2: nothing I could have done about it. So imagine my
Speaker 2: twelve year old who was like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: make my own appointments, and she's like, no, I want
Speaker 2: my mom to be involved, Thank goodness.
Speaker 1: But now she's sixteen, and.
Speaker 2: Maybe she could go in there and say I want
Speaker 2: my mom to know this, and she could be one
Speaker 2: of those kids in town that has an STD roaming
Speaker 2: around and giving other kids STDs because they're too afraid
Speaker 2: to have that conversation.
Speaker 1: If you're not telling your parents about it. You're probably
Speaker 1: not telling the girl or the boy that you're hooking
Speaker 1: up with either, So what is that doing?
Speaker 3: Please tell me you're not seeing this doutior anymore.
Speaker 2: This is every doctor, Every doctor in Michigan has this conversation.
Speaker 3: Have you not? Are there not pediatricians like, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you've looked right, I So even here's got to be
Speaker 3: a doctor. I'm telling there has to be pediatricians who
Speaker 3: are like, are not crazy? No, So listen, this.
Speaker 1: Is the bizarre part. When I called for my twelve
Speaker 1: year old that just had.
Speaker 2: These tests on, they said, well, we don't know who
Speaker 2: actually goes into the system. It's someone in the state
Speaker 2: that goes into the system and knocks your kids out,
Speaker 2: and then they don't process They don't process this form
Speaker 2: in the doctor's office. The state processes the form so
Speaker 2: they cannot escape it. So she says to me, you
Speaker 2: might actually still have access if you go in now,
Speaker 2: because sometimes it takes them a couple of weeks to
Speaker 2: catch up on kicking people out of their kids chart.
Speaker 2: But no, they had already kicked me out. It doesn't
Speaker 2: come from the doctor's office. That's the crazy part.
Speaker 1: It comes from the.
Speaker 3: State, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 3: But your mind have to have like you have to
Speaker 3: have doctors somewhere in Michigan that like kind of you
Speaker 3: have that conversation with him, You're like, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: kind of nuts. Like if there's something important, I'll give
Speaker 3: you a call, right, are there not? Have you not
Speaker 3: talked about pediatrician?
Speaker 2: Who's that? That's so when I called. When I called,
Speaker 2: they were like I called back a few days later
Speaker 2: and I was like, can you get me the result?
Speaker 2: Can like can I please know what's going on with her?
Speaker 2: And they said, we can tell you that of the
Speaker 2: results that came back from the children's hospital, there is nothing.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what the results are.
Speaker 2: I can just tell you there's nothing out of line
Speaker 2: that causes an intervention at this point, but there are
Speaker 2: a couple of tests that have not come back that
Speaker 2: that would have to be the children's hospital if they
Speaker 2: choose to tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's because you know, people like were humans, right,
Speaker 3: Like if I have a mom call my office or something,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, maybe a forms not picked out, but
Speaker 3: if there's a certain level of reason that like yeah,
Speaker 3: if she's wunning what the tests are. Like the doctor,
Speaker 3: I'll just call the mom or like whoever and be like, hey, like,
Speaker 3: let me just tell you about it, Like let me
Speaker 3: be a regular person, Like I get this. This rule
Speaker 3: is stupid. But like if if if I was a doctor,
Speaker 3: I would be horrified to think that the mother you
Speaker 3: can't share a twelve year old. Like as a doctor,
Speaker 3: I would have like if one of my clinic staff
Speaker 3: told me that and I didn't do anything about it,
Speaker 3: I would like vomit. I mean, it's to think that
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that to help a person for a kid, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: Like a mom was calling and really curious about these results,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't call her back.
Speaker 2: But think about if you so think about if like
Speaker 2: for the most part, if your kid hasn't signed it
Speaker 2: and they're young and you just haven't gotten to it yet,
Speaker 2: they haven't had the conversation, they'll share it with you.
Speaker 1: But think if my kid refuses to sign it, I
Speaker 1: can never know.
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, if like they're mad at you or something.
Speaker 3: If like and that's what, yes, holy shit, I know
Speaker 3: that's the thing, like crazy, they could try.
Speaker 2: I can try to so all right, now I could
Speaker 2: call the doctor and be like, I think she'll sign
Speaker 2: it and she'll likely tell me.
Speaker 1: But if my kid locks me out, oh.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, So you're saying that, like, say you
Speaker 3: have a fight with your kid, they can go to
Speaker 3: their doctrine and tell them to rip up that chart.
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Speaker 2: If my kid has sex with someone and doesn't want
Speaker 2: to tell me, which okay, so like I could see
Speaker 2: that happening with teenagers all the time, right, and then
Speaker 2: my kid goes in and they've got chlamydia or herpies
Speaker 2: or heaven't forbid HIV positive and then the doctor knows
Speaker 2: that information, they cannot tell me if my kid.
Speaker 3: Locks me up, or like if if they were raped
Speaker 3: and now have an STD they went to a party
Speaker 3: and something happened, or they were dating someone they shouldn't
Speaker 3: have exactly. H holy, that's I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I've never never, I've never kind of been That's that's
Speaker 3: great because I you know, my daughter was just born.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's she's ten months old, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just wait, I mean, do you think right now
Speaker 2: they're never gonna They're never gonna have a Tory friend
Speaker 2: you hate, but I can tell you they will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't. I know we're kind of getting
Speaker 3: off the rails, but like, have you thought about leaving
Speaker 3: Michigan the Holy Crab? You should move somewhere, like please,
Speaker 3: I don't want to fix it.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, I want us to be able to stop
Speaker 2: this craziness from happening, because I really live under the
Speaker 2: theory if you cannot stand that you have a purple
Speaker 2: state or a blue state, you should work to fix
Speaker 2: that instead of leaving, because then you leave everybody in
Speaker 2: that situation.
Speaker 3: I mean, if there's anyone who on your stands, that's me.
Speaker 3: You know, I was right exactly. I could have given in,
Speaker 3: but you know I fought back. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, God bless your soul, you know,
Speaker 3: but you know.
Speaker 2: So so I thought you were going to shock us
Speaker 2: on this podcast, but I apparently shocked you.
Speaker 1: But honestly, I mean, I know I've kept you way
Speaker 1: too long.
Speaker 3: But no, no, I mean I don't have anything going on.
Speaker 3: It's cool, but like it's it's I I had no idea.
Speaker 3: What is that. It's like that's crazy, you know. It's
Speaker 3: like that's like to think because you know, like as
Speaker 3: a doctor, there's like a daily practice like how you
Speaker 3: do things, you know, and when as a doctor when
Speaker 3: you talk to like you as a as a parent,
Speaker 3: you you probably don't don't get it right because as doctor,
Speaker 3: when you talk to children like you talk to their parents,
Speaker 3: you know, like when you do surgery on kids. Like
Speaker 3: at TCH when I was offerating there, we did a
Speaker 3: bunch of surgery. I mean major surgeries, liver transplants, kidding
Speaker 3: transplants on kids, major neuroblastomis. I'm talking about. The biggest
Speaker 3: surgeries done on kids in the world were the surgeries
Speaker 3: I was doing. You know, but even if it's an
Speaker 3: appendicitis in a child, right, the parents are sitting there
Speaker 3: like hawks.
Speaker 2: Standard there are certain things are at ten years old,
Speaker 2: I want you talking to me about and I don't
Speaker 2: want them to be afraid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to think that's how people are. And when
Speaker 3: you have a parent and a child in a clinic
Speaker 3: and you're talking to them about these medical problems, you're
Speaker 3: talking to the parents, right, And of course certain things
Speaker 3: you talk to the kids, but it's directed to the
Speaker 3: parents because they're the ones who are the parents. And
Speaker 3: to think that you would cut them out at twelve
Speaker 3: years because like, you know, I neighbor friend, his kid's
Speaker 3: eleven years old. I mean, it's a young, young child.
Speaker 3: And and to think that, like, as a doctor, I
Speaker 3: would direct my attention mostly towards a child is like,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of Yeah, so you think you
Speaker 2: think to yourself, Okay, well, why would the kid If
Speaker 2: the kid can just talk to the doctor about the
Speaker 2: STD and not talk to the.
Speaker 1: Parent, why wouldn't they get medical care?
Speaker 2: Well, because the kid is still on the parents' insurance,
Speaker 2: So if they get medical care, the parent finds out.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, instead of doing anything good, this has locked
Speaker 2: out the parent and locked the kid out of getting
Speaker 2: medical care because the kid is afraid of it showing
Speaker 2: up on the parents' insurance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the kids don't know what the hell they're
Speaker 3: talking about, because they're kids. They don't know how to
Speaker 3: assess the relative benefits or risks of a certain intervention,
Speaker 3: or like having a certain test done, or like the
Speaker 3: financial implications of something. You know, that's the craziest thing
Speaker 3: I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm glad I could shock you. I mean
Speaker 1: I expected you to shock and I and you didn't.
Speaker 2: But no, honestly, I think that this is and I
Speaker 2: brought this up because I think that this is just
Speaker 2: a part of the the next stage of this trenchsgender
Speaker 2: push is to get to the kids directly. And I
Speaker 2: don't understand the ideology behind it or what the ultimate
Speaker 2: plan is to sterilize these children and change them.
Speaker 1: I heard.
Speaker 3: And you just don't get how how doctors are okay
Speaker 3: with that in Michigan? Like, how like if I was
Speaker 3: a doctor in Michigan, or like even a reasonable person
Speaker 3: in Michigan, how I couldn't be like totally cool with
Speaker 3: like treating a parent like that. I mean, how old
Speaker 3: was his doctor? Was he like a you know, you
Speaker 3: have like purple hair and you have like.
Speaker 2: A little No, it's like it's the laws, So they weren't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like my doctor is a woman, and she
Speaker 2: is he probably ten years older than me, so she's
Speaker 2: probably in her fifties.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so she's in her fifties, so she's like
Speaker 3: not like you know, thirty twenty years old, you know,
Speaker 3: so she's been doing this for a long time, yes,
Speaker 3: like late fifties, early fifties.
Speaker 2: But it's the it's the law, and people are very
Speaker 2: afraid of going against the law. And that is why
Speaker 2: I think we should talk about these things because I
Speaker 2: think it's it is important, and that's why I wanted
Speaker 2: to have you on, because it is important to say
Speaker 2: there are people that stand up to this. You stood
Speaker 2: up to what you saw that was wrong, and I
Speaker 2: hope that people will stand up for against this. And
Speaker 2: it happened so fast, and I talked to doctors and
Speaker 2: they're like, how did this happen?
Speaker 1: I talked to legislators. I was like, how did this happen?
Speaker 1: And they're like, we don't even know how this happened.
Speaker 1: Even the legislators didn't know.
Speaker 2: And sometimes these are actually rules that come through agencies,
Speaker 2: like HHS makes a rule that becomes a law somehow
Speaker 2: it acts as a law.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like the DNR can make a rule that acts
Speaker 2: like a law, and that's how this happens.
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's what happened in my case. Right,
Speaker 3: it was like so like HIPPAA right, where it's a
Speaker 3: law that is meant to protect patient privacy. So you know,
Speaker 3: if you release a patient's name or utilize their medical
Speaker 3: information to blackmail. Yeah, that's a major violation. But you know,
Speaker 3: for for me in my case, it's they had said
Speaker 3: there was no damage to a patient. They said that
Speaker 3: it was the hospital and the doctors who were the victims.
Speaker 3: That's how they were able to manipulate it. And now
Speaker 3: I kind of get it, you know when when you
Speaker 3: put it that way about you know, it's a law
Speaker 3: in Michigan, because especially in Michigan, when you have the government,
Speaker 3: when you have the governor, the attorney general, the state prosecutors,
Speaker 3: the state Medical Board, there's so many of these uh
Speaker 3: progressive you know, Yeah, they control the legal infrastructure. And
Speaker 3: I live through it myself. They have a million ways
Speaker 3: to destroy a doctor life. And what they do the
Speaker 3: whole point that if they make a doctor an example,
Speaker 3: they take the doctor's medical license. Yes, they try to violate,
Speaker 3: you know, or that govern.
Speaker 2: Here during COVID, we had a doctor up north who
Speaker 2: gave a patient hydroxy chloroquin. His license was taken and
Speaker 2: that and it's just like all these so all of
Speaker 2: these businesses. You have to have a license to cut Harry,
Speaker 2: you have to have a license to be a doctor,
Speaker 2: if delia of a license to be a plumber. All
Speaker 2: of these people who worked during COVID or did something
Speaker 2: like giving hydroxy chloroquin, they had their licenses taken away.
Speaker 2: The state has so much power in Michigan. It's not
Speaker 2: like it's a it's this mystical, mythical thing that could happen.
Speaker 2: Just happened five years ago. People saw the state police
Speaker 2: going in rummaging through your stuff, you know, the HHS
Speaker 2: coming in and saying, give me your license. This was
Speaker 2: This is a true story. People know it can happen,
Speaker 2: and so that fear is real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially in every single state, no matter how
Speaker 3: red or conservative it is the major any establishment medical institution,
Speaker 3: for example, the Texas Medical Association, the surgical associations, you know,
Speaker 3: these are one these have significant impact on local politics. Right, Yes,
Speaker 3: things happen. These people can speak up and be like, no,
Speaker 3: this is wrong. And all of these organizations have been captured.
Speaker 3: And you know, the good thing in Texas there's a
Speaker 3: group of doctors who are you know, staging an insurgency
Speaker 3: in some of these organizations. But that's one of those
Speaker 3: things that has to has to be done more and
Speaker 3: but like there has to be a conservative effort, you know,
Speaker 3: you look, you look at majors.
Speaker 2: I saw you posted something about the American Academy of
Speaker 2: Pediatrics that was somebody was like, don't even listen to
Speaker 2: these people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in the way that these organizations work, they
Speaker 3: are democratic by nature, but due to the the the
Speaker 3: takeover at the top levels and the lack of pushback
Speaker 3: at the bottom levels, they're able to maintain an iron fist,
Speaker 3: like a stalin level iron fist on debate. But imagine
Speaker 3: if you have not even a lot I'm talking about
Speaker 3: like maybe twenty thirty conservative pediatrician show up to the
Speaker 3: American Academy Pediatrics from when they're national meetings, and you know,
Speaker 3: like when people are voting and expressing objections, they go
Speaker 3: up to the microphone they express objection because at these meetings,
Speaker 3: like I've seen them, where like the policies are presented
Speaker 3: in discussed during the national meetings. For an average policy
Speaker 3: might be six seven people, maybe ten people. If you
Speaker 3: have a certain policy, twenty conservative doctors show up or
Speaker 3: not even conservative, just people who haven't lost their damn minds,
Speaker 3: you know, then and they make a big fuss it
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it changes the calculus, right, It
Speaker 3: becomes much more difficult for the people in leadership to
Speaker 3: be like, now we're shutting this down because all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, they look like tyrants. Because what it's going
Speaker 3: to show, right, how that's going to play out, is
Speaker 3: here's all these pediatricians and there's only like three or
Speaker 3: four or five of you know, these other people like that,
Speaker 3: that kind of it doesn't seem like a like a
Speaker 3: majority anymore when or a consensus when you have a
Speaker 3: bunch of doctor's showing up physically in person.
Speaker 2: And that and that I think is what that's what
Speaker 2: we hope to educate people on. And I appreciate the
Speaker 2: fact that you have been able to speak out, and
Speaker 2: that's and that's why I think it's important to have
Speaker 2: these conversations and to continue to get out there in
Speaker 2: these long form conversations to be able to explain to
Speaker 2: people like, if you see something that's wrong, you have
Speaker 2: a voice, get out there and do it. And that Honestly,
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you've done, and I apologize for taking
Speaker 2: all your time, but I thank you so much for
Speaker 2: doing this and coming on and talking about this because
Speaker 2: it's it is really important and actually for our audience,
Speaker 2: where can they follow you so that they can see
Speaker 2: what you're doing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pronounced like or
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Speaker 3: it's all it all means nothing, Like we're just kind
Speaker 3: of you know, you know, jerking our chains if we
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Speaker 2: Couple of weeks Okay, good, Yeah, I want to hear
Speaker 2: about it. Thank you so much, doctor him. I appreciate
Speaker 2: you coming on here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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