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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to chat about something that recently happened. There

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Speaker 2: was a decision from the Supreme Court that said that

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Speaker 2: the state of Tennessee was actually able to uphold a

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Speaker 2: ban on transgender surgeries for miners. So I wanted to

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Speaker 2: find someone who could chat about this. And there is

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Speaker 2: a doctor in Texas who was very brave and came

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Speaker 2: out and it was a whistleblower on the Texas Children's Hospital.

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Speaker 1: Who was exposed.

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Speaker 2: He exposed them for performing sex change surgeries on miners

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Speaker 2: after they announced that they would.

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Speaker 1: Stop those surgeries.

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Speaker 2: So doctor Aton him, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: me today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 2: First off, I want to say having gone through what

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Speaker 2: you did, because I think it's bigger than just being

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Speaker 2: a whistleblower. And this is something that I think people

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Speaker 2: need to understand, is that you came out And were

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Speaker 2: you a resident at the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I was a surgical resident at Baylor College Medicine.

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Speaker 3: And one the hospitals that we spend the most time

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Speaker 3: working at is Texas Children's Hospital. You know which really

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Speaker 3: is It's one of the most amazing hospitals in the

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Speaker 3: world because of what they can do for these sick kids.

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Speaker 3: But the administration in this clinic, what they were doing

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Speaker 3: was just egregious. And when the Supreme Court decision especially

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Speaker 3: is you know, it was very important for me. It

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Speaker 3: was a very big deal because I blew the I

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Speaker 3: blew the whistle anonymously right May sixteenth, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: exposing this fact this was happening at TCH. And then

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Speaker 3: the next day, Texas passed SB fourteen, which was the

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Speaker 3: law that would ban these gender interventions for children. So

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Speaker 3: within twenty four hours of this story coming out, what

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Speaker 3: we had exposed was made illegal in the state of Texas.

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Speaker 3: And this Supreme Court decision what was going to impact

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Speaker 3: that law? So it was you know, it was following

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Speaker 3: it very closely. And yeah, I played a big part

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Speaker 2: So this Supreme Court decision and came out, it was

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Speaker 2: interesting to me because you saw Democrats just kind of

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Speaker 2: losing their minds. They were all on the news going saying,

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Speaker 2: how could you do this? How could you take away

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Speaker 2: these rights from children. It's hard for me to even

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Speaker 2: talk about I am someone I've said on the program

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Speaker 2: many times, who I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I've

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Speaker 2: gone through a double mistectomy.

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Speaker 1: I see that they do this to fifteen year old girls.

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Speaker 2: And I just think, what a nightmare that these children

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Speaker 2: have no idea what the lifelong impact of this is.

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Speaker 2: And I heard you talking about this, and you said,

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Speaker 2: you know, we have these these medications, and these are

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Speaker 3: The most powerful ever created, most powerful of medicine. It's true,

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Speaker 3: it's true. It's it's insane.

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Speaker 2: And I found that interesting because it is because it

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Speaker 2: changes who you are, and it goes into your body,

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Speaker 2: and your hormones regulate your entire system. And I think

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Speaker 2: they also this is a critical moment for these kids

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Speaker 2: On top of that, you're also getting these these surgeries,

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Speaker 2: which I've talked to some kids that have detransitioned it,

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Speaker 2: and they believe that it is.

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Speaker 1: They are butchered on purpose.

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Speaker 2: There's some sort of weird gratification of these surgeons doing this,

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Speaker 2: And I just want to know what do you think

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Speaker 3: Know, it's you know how it is right, you had

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Speaker 1: Look the way those pictures look. That's the shocking thing

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Speaker 1: to me when I see these kids that have this

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Speaker 3: And you know, I remember doing, you know, doing these

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Speaker 3: and you're removing that. In your case, you had breast cancer.

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Speaker 3: There's a reason for it, Like when the doctor is saying,

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Speaker 2: Said something so critical. You talked about what it meant

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Speaker 2: And I went through all of that. I found out

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Speaker 1: I was still going through that part of life.

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Speaker 2: And I know women who have had this when they

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Speaker 2: and knowing that this changes who they are, It changes

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Speaker 1: A part of them is no longer there as an adult.

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Speaker 1: That's hard, and that's.

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Speaker 3: Why the role of the doctor is so important because

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Speaker 3: whenever you do anything to anyone, a medication, a surgery, anything,

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Speaker 3: you understand that the potential of that thing to be

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Speaker 3: therapeutic can also be destructive, which is why the principle

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Speaker 3: of medicine is do no harm. Right. It's not like

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Speaker 3: you know, protect and serve. These are like positive things

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Speaker 3: like things you do in medicine. It's do no harm.

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Speaker 3: It's a warning. It's saying, don't screw this up, right,

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Speaker 3: because there has to be this inherent caution in what

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Speaker 3: to be a good reason. And in these general interventions,

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Speaker 3: what more people are waking up to know, which has

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Speaker 3: what they're telling these people is not true. The idea

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Speaker 3: that this decreases the risk of people killing themselves was

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Speaker 3: always lie. They never had any studies to support that.

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Speaker 3: But plus, it makes no sense. You can't just give

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Speaker 3: of their life. They have to lie and expect that

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Speaker 2: So that was something that I thought was key to

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Speaker 2: to solve a medical problem. And I know some of

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Speaker 2: I remember when my aunt was on that and it

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Speaker 1: As an adult, it was very hard on her. It

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Speaker 2: Through mood swings and every it just changes. It's changing

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Speaker 1: This is life that these kids are on this.

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Speaker 2: But the point that you made was this is something

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Speaker 1: I was a psych major. I know how we.

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Speaker 2: Studied these these mental illnesses. And it was not there's

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Speaker 2: not a solution, that's the problem. It wasn't like, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: it's fixed. If you have gender dysphoria, changing this person's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not even possible to change gender. It's

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Speaker 3: biological fiction, you know. It's what they're telling these patients

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Speaker 3: is not true. That's why I like the informed consent issue.

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Speaker 3: People say, well, kids can't consent, Well, it's their parents

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Speaker 3: who consent. But no patient can consent. No parent consent,

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Speaker 3: to see three justices on the Supreme Court and in

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Speaker 3: It's not like it's a few degrees away from what's true.

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Speaker 3: It's anti logic. It's the intentional manipulation of reason and

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Speaker 2: I mean, And in other countries this has been stopped

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Speaker 1: This should not be done to children.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, people do weird experimental things all

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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I really don't understand how legally a doctor can do

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Speaker 2: there are endless incontinent issues, and I mean there's never

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Speaker 1: There's almost never that you hear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a beautiful transition for me.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's to really understand what it means, like

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Speaker 3: quote unquote bottom surgery. The whore only becomes greater the

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Speaker 3: more you understand, because like these are areas that you know,

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Speaker 3: I operated right the when you remove the penis, right,

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Speaker 3: to create a womb cavity in between the bladder and

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Speaker 3: because you have all this healing tissue in this womb cavity.

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Speaker 1: A scar tissue connection or something.

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Speaker 3: new you know, quote unquote neovagiana, which is just a

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Speaker 3: in other diseases like diverticulitis or cancer. Yeah, so people

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Speaker 1: I so I don't understand, Like this is going to

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Speaker 2: Understood because I assume that if you want to change gender,

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Speaker 3: People can die, people can die afterwards. But to bring

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Speaker 1: I was talking no benefit.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard to get people to see this though,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've taken care of a number of patients,

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Speaker 2: I have seen my kids grow up and go through

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Speaker 1: And I mean we've gone through.

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Speaker 2: But there are those things that you kids go through

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Speaker 2: She loved it so much, you know. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: I just why can't we have that conversation that kids

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Speaker 1: How do you find it? How do you fight it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when they threatened my wife. My wife had

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Speaker 3: How do you conceal it? Right? How do you conceal

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Speaker 3: medical frauds something people go to prison for. So right,

437
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Speaker 3: for example, you know, you want to prescribe a boy

438
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 3: estrogen for you know, for because he believes is transgender.

439
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 3: How do you do that in a red state and

440
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: not get caught? Well, in the medical chart you document

441
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 3: he's a female. Right, you can do that in an epic.

442
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: You can do that in any chart. And then for

443
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: the diagnosis code, what do you say estrogen deficiency? Right?

444
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 3: When the insurance company sees that they see female estrogen

445
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: deficiency treatment CPT code.

446
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: That insurance fraud.

447
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: That's insurance fraud. So these organizations have have like documents

448
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: to uh to explain how to do that. For for

449
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: a mass sectimy, how do you do that? Right? Girl?

450
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 3: You she's a woman, you say in the medical chart

451
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: she's a male. Right, diagnosis code guid in coomassia treatment

452
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: breast reduction, mass sectomy. So insurance company sees male guindic

453
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: comasia breast reduction or you know, breast tissue removal. So yeah,

454
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: that's that's a crime. That's a federal crime. People get

455
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 3: a prison for that. And this is not something that like,

456
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just making up, but the Attorney General

457
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: of Texas has is going after three doctor for these

458
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: same exact schemes, which he alleges is true. They have

459
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: to go through a case and prove the facts. But

460
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't tell you necessarily details. But I've

461
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: spoken to on these doctors, or was on a conversation

462
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: where one of these doctors had admitted this themselves.

463
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: That powerful you talk about these organizations, I assume it's

464
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: similar to what we see with some of these groups

465
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 2: that are promoting political ideologies. I mean, to me, this

466
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: is a political ideology that just happens to cut into children,

467
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: which is disgusting. But you talk about these groups that

468
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: teach them how to do this. How powerful are these groups?

469
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: Because what we find on the political side is that

470
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: there's a massive amount of money behind this.

471
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: So how powerful and why are they powerful?

472
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: And so they're very powerful because they have the money,

473
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: and especially they're even more powerful and they protect the

474
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: protect the doctors in blue states, you know, for example,

475
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 3: doctors and blue states they have to turn generals, they

476
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: have the state prosecutors. So how can we uncover these

477
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: crimes and make these doctors much less likely to do

478
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: this to kids? And what we need is whistleblowers or

479
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: there's also banks of data that can look at insurance

480
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: coding for every doctor in the country, you can look to.

481
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: See, yeah, that's interesting, and then you could find a pattern.

482
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. So for example, Do No Harm had

483
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: released a database called Stop the Harm that looked at

484
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: all the surgeries for children in the country using the

485
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: diagnosis code of gender dysphoria. But that doesn't count all

486
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: the fraudulent diagnosis codes. So you use that data bank.

487
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: You look at patterns over a period of time before

488
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: January twentieth, twenty twenty five after January twenty twenty twenty five.

489
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: If you see a certain pattern where there's an increase

490
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 3: in for example, estrogen in defficiency. Sasare in defficiency, endocrine abnormality,

491
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: unspecified post surgical hypoconatas. These are all ICD codes which

492
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: are used to conceal the fact that Jender Firm and

493
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: Care quote unquote is done for children. So they're powerful.

494
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: These organizations Blue Stage are powerful. But we have the

495
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: federal government. There's a Department of Justice. These are federal

496
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: crimes which are easily definable, easily provable, and so there's

497
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: group of people, you know, myself being one of those

498
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: who are working on making sure this is exposed to

499
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: allow the DOJ to pursue prosecutions.

500
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: So we have a situation in Michigan. I've talked about

501
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: it on the podcast before.

502
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: When Michigan, you know, I was just talking to a

503
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 3: couple people state people in Michigan who are in your legislature.

504
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, you'll see something coming.

505
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Good because in Michigan, we also get locked out of

506
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: our child's medical report after twelve years old. When the

507
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: kid turns twelve.

508
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: Twelve years old. Wait, hold on twelve years old? How's

509
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: that pot twelve? You can't see anything.

510
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: No, I want it.

511
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: California, New York, Michigan. I think there's other states too.

512
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: Something in federal law change and these states came in

513
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: and said, okay, like the my chart. I don't know

514
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: if you guys have my chart. My chart, so my chart.

515
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: I no longer have access to my child's my chart

516
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: once they turned twelve in the state of Michigan. So

517
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 2: my daughter had My daughter turned twelve on June fifth.

518
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: She had a medical test done on June eleventh. I'm

519
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: driving home and it hits me. I'm like, oh my gosh,

520
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: I can't get into her chart. She has to sign

521
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: me over as her medical proxy. And then I can

522
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: see limited stuff. I can't even see big stuff, but

523
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: I can see limited stuff like blood tests and things.

524
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: So I called the doctor's office and I say, because

525
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: she had this at a specialist, I have to go

526
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: to her pediatrician. I call the office and I say, hey,

527
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: she just turned twelve. Can we come in and sign this?

528
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: And they said, you can sign it on September tenth

529
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: when she has her well child visit September tenth, and

530
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: I said, are you nuts?

531
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I would like to see her. We just had all

532
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: this test done. I'd like to see them.

533
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: And they said, I'm sorry, we can't make an appointment

534
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: just to get your child to sign a medical proxy.

535
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: You can hear you can, so she can't. The kicker

536
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: is she can't have her my chart either. She doesn't

537
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: have an email or anything. She can't get into her

538
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: my chart. She is too young to have on my chart.

539
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: So I cannot get the medical tests that we were

540
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: just run on her because she has not signed me

541
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: over as medical proxy.

542
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start we have.

543
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: I talked to the pediatrician's office about this, and she

544
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: said there are kids in town who have STDs and

545
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: they cannot tell the parents that the kids have STDs

546
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: because they have they don't have their they have not

547
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: been signed over as medical proxy, and the kids don't

548
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: want to tell the parents that they have STDs. So

549
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: she said, I have kids that will have permanent damage

550
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: because they are not getting treated for an STD that

551
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: they have because they are afraid to tell their parents.

552
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: Their parents don't know that they came in here, we

553
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: tested them, and I know they're sick, and their parents

554
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: don't get to know.

555
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: I that's so crazy. I uh, there's so many problems

556
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: with that. I I can't I've never honestly, I've never

557
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: heard that. That's the craziest thing in the world, because,

558
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: like you know, I mean I take care of some kids.

559
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: You know, if there's like a twelve thirteen year old

560
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: who's like a little bit bigger pretty much an adult,

561
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: right like surgically you know, in some instance, but I

562
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: to think, like pathology, lass, I mean, how you get

563
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: I would think the kid, even the kid, if they're

564
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: how could they access it? Oh that's crazy.

565
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: It's a horror show.

566
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: And it just it was just implemented a few years ago,

567
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: and it shocks me that more people don't just go

568
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: crazy over this. I mean, I'm like, how is it possible?

569
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: So the doctor refers me to a specialist because she's like, oh,

570
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: your daughter is at the one percent point of the

571
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: growth chart. We might have to have an intervention, but

572
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: I will not know until September.

573
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: Why how can this be?

574
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? That's uh, you know, you're like.

575
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: Don't found it because how could this be? This is

576
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: Democrat policy.

577
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I should have something to say,

578
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: but I'm like you, I feel the same way. That's

579
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: that's the crazy thing.

580
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: So we need doctors like you to become active on

581
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: things like this. And I'm I'm actually serious because I

582
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: feel like there's so much of this type of stuff

583
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: going on because these laws are getting passed and parents

584
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: aren't aware, and then parents are suddenly in a position

585
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: where they're vulnerable, they can't help their own child, or

586
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: their child is getting pushed into something. And to me,

587
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: this is being done so that they can do the abortions,

588
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: so that they can manage the getting them the birth control,

589
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: but also for transgender surgeries, because I believe that.

590
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: There is so much money in that that is just

591
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: too tempting.

592
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, I mean It's like I'm just thinking,

593
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: like we you know, sometimes you do surge around kids

594
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: for cancer and when the pathology comes back and to

595
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: make sure that you kind of have access or you

596
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: do imaging, do I make sure that you can look

597
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: at it to have right because you know, you have

598
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: right to to look at that information, of course is

599
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: better put in perspective with the assistance of a doctor.

600
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: But that's that's crazy. That's Uh. When did when did

601
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: that go into effect?

602
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: I think that my oldest was it just went into

603
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: effect when she was twelve, so probably about four years ago.

604
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: Four years ago? What what? Oh my god, that's crazy.

605
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: Michigan has lots its mind. Yes, that's nuts. I mean,

606
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: there's so many problems with that. It's to think, you know,

607
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: because kids have no idea what's going on, you have

608
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: to have the parents to like if if I'm if

609
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm doing something to a kid, I'm not talking to

610
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: the kid. I'm kind of kind of them, but I'm talking.

611
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: To the parents, Yes, exactly.

612
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: Not like there's there's no situation like if I only

613
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: talk to the kid, you know, and I'm not directing

614
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: my attention to the parents, I look like a psychopath, right, right,

615
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: you look like a crazy personific, even if they're seventeen.

616
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: Right. Yes, so my pediatrician had to take my child

617
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: to the side of the room while I'm sitting there

618
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: and say to her, here's the situation.

619
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Your mom can no.

620
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: Longer get any of your records, any of your results

621
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: for tests, or make your appointments. If you want mom

622
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: to be able to make your appointments, you can sign

623
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: this piece of paper. So if you don't sign this

624
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: piece of paper, just want to make it clear that

625
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: from now on, all of your well child visits and everything,

626
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: you have to call yourself and make them.

627
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: She's twelve, you have to.

628
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: Call yourself and make them, and then you will have

629
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: to call the doctor's office and verify that it's you

630
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: to get your medical records. But put you can sign

631
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: this piece of paper and mom can do that. And

632
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: then if you change your mind and you come in

633
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: here and you want to talk to me about something

634
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: you don't want mom to know about, we'll rip this

635
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: paper up.

636
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: So you were saying that was in the room with

637
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: you there, Yes, so so they like the guy the

638
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: doctor took your kid aside with you in the room,

639
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: But like you mean, like to a corner of the room.

640
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sitting there, and it's like they go sit

641
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: in the corner, and I mean, it's not like I

642
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: can't hear. I could hear the conversation. It was like,

643
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: but just so you know, look at me, you and

644
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: I are having this conversation.

645
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: Mom's not involved. That's how sick it is.

646
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry for kind of digging into this, but

647
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: as it's just so insane as a doctor, So you're saying,

648
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: you guys are in this appointment, you and your daughter

649
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: are saying across from the pediatrician, right, and then at

650
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: this moment in time when he wants to have this

651
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: kind of side conversation, you're saying, this pediatrician takes your

652
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: daughter to side the room that you're still in.

653
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: You're right, It's like they move over, they sit down,

654
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: they hand the piece of paper to her and say,

655
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: this is the situation. So what you need to do

656
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: is if you want mom to be involved, sign this.

657
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: But just so you're clear, anytime you don't want mom involved,

658
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: you come to the office, we'll rip it up.

659
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: It was the room just consumed with awkwardness. Did this

660
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: guy not like, oh, Mike, we're not looking at this

661
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: doctor like are you an insane person? Like did? They

662
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: then rejoin the conversation.

663
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: And it was like it was first a conversation of like,

664
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: we have to have this conversation with your daughter, just

665
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: so you know, a new law went into effect. This

666
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: with my oldest. This is how when a new law

667
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: went into effect, we're sort of learning about it ourselves.

668
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: We have to have a conversation with your daughter now

669
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: to discuss how she can get her medical records. You

670
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: can sit here and listen to what we say to

671
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: her now. I think actually they asked her, do you

672
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: want mom to leave the room? I think she could

673
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: have ordered me out at that point, and there is

674
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: nothing I could have done about it. So imagine my

675
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: twelve year old who was like, I don't want to

676
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: make my own appointments, and she's like, no, I want

677
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: my mom to be involved, Thank goodness.

678
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: But now she's sixteen, and.

679
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: Maybe she could go in there and say I want

680
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: my mom to know this, and she could be one

681
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: of those kids in town that has an STD roaming

682
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 2: around and giving other kids STDs because they're too afraid

683
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: to have that conversation.

684
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: If you're not telling your parents about it. You're probably

685
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: not telling the girl or the boy that you're hooking

686
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: up with either, So what is that doing?

687
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 3: Please tell me you're not seeing this doutior anymore.

688
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: This is every doctor, Every doctor in Michigan has this conversation.

689
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: Have you not? Are there not pediatricians like, I'm sure

690
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 3: you've looked right, I So even here's got to be

691
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: a doctor. I'm telling there has to be pediatricians who

692
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: are like, are not crazy? No, So listen, this.

693
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: Is the bizarre part. When I called for my twelve

694
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: year old that just had.

695
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: These tests on, they said, well, we don't know who

696
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: actually goes into the system. It's someone in the state

697
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: that goes into the system and knocks your kids out,

698
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: and then they don't process They don't process this form

699
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: in the doctor's office. The state processes the form so

700
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: they cannot escape it. So she says to me, you

701
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: might actually still have access if you go in now,

702
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: because sometimes it takes them a couple of weeks to

703
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: catch up on kicking people out of their kids chart.

704
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: But no, they had already kicked me out. It doesn't

705
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: come from the doctor's office. That's the crazy part.

706
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: It comes from the.

707
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: State, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.

708
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: But your mind have to have like you have to

709
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: have doctors somewhere in Michigan that like kind of you

710
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: have that conversation with him, You're like, yeah, this is

711
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 3: kind of nuts. Like if there's something important, I'll give

712
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: you a call, right, are there not? Have you not

713
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: talked about pediatrician?

714
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: Who's that? That's so when I called. When I called,

715
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: they were like I called back a few days later

716
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, can you get me the result?

717
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Can like can I please know what's going on with her?

718
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: And they said, we can tell you that of the

719
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 2: results that came back from the children's hospital, there is nothing.

720
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what the results are.

721
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: I can just tell you there's nothing out of line

722
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: that causes an intervention at this point, but there are

723
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: a couple of tests that have not come back that

724
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: that would have to be the children's hospital if they

725
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: choose to tell you.

726
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's because you know, people like were humans, right,

727
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 3: Like if I have a mom call my office or something,

728
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, maybe a forms not picked out, but

729
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: if there's a certain level of reason that like yeah,

730
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: if she's wunning what the tests are. Like the doctor,

731
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: I'll just call the mom or like whoever and be like, hey, like,

732
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: let me just tell you about it, Like let me

733
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: be a regular person, Like I get this. This rule

734
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: is stupid. But like if if if I was a doctor,

735
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: I would be horrified to think that the mother you

736
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 3: can't share a twelve year old. Like as a doctor,

737
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: I would have like if one of my clinic staff

738
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: told me that and I didn't do anything about it,

739
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: I would like vomit. I mean, it's to think that

740
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that to help a person for a kid, right, yeah,

741
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: Like a mom was calling and really curious about these results,

742
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't call her back.

743
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: But think about if you so think about if like

744
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: for the most part, if your kid hasn't signed it

745
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: and they're young and you just haven't gotten to it yet,

746
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: they haven't had the conversation, they'll share it with you.

747
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: But think if my kid refuses to sign it, I

748
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: can never know.

749
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, if like they're mad at you or something.

750
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: If like and that's what, yes, holy shit, I know

751
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: that's the thing, like crazy, they could try.

752
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: I can try to so all right, now I could

753
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: call the doctor and be like, I think she'll sign

754
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: it and she'll likely tell me.

755
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: But if my kid locks me out, oh.

756
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no, So you're saying that, like, say you

757
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: have a fight with your kid, they can go to

758
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 3: their doctrine and tell them to rip up that chart.

759
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

760
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast.

761
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: If my kid has sex with someone and doesn't want

762
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: to tell me, which okay, so like I could see

763
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: that happening with teenagers all the time, right, and then

764
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: my kid goes in and they've got chlamydia or herpies

765
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: or heaven't forbid HIV positive and then the doctor knows

766
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: that information, they cannot tell me if my kid.

767
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 3: Locks me up, or like if if they were raped

768
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: and now have an STD they went to a party

769
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: and something happened, or they were dating someone they shouldn't

770
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: have exactly. H holy, that's I mean, like, you know,

771
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: I've never never, I've never kind of been That's that's

772
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: great because I you know, my daughter was just born.

773
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: I mean, she's she's ten months old, you know.

774
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, just wait, I mean, do you think right now

775
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: they're never gonna They're never gonna have a Tory friend

776
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: you hate, but I can tell you they will.

777
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't. I know we're kind of getting

778
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: off the rails, but like, have you thought about leaving

779
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: Michigan the Holy Crab? You should move somewhere, like please,

780
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't want to fix it.

781
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing.

782
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: It's like, I want us to be able to stop

783
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: this craziness from happening, because I really live under the

784
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: theory if you cannot stand that you have a purple

785
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: state or a blue state, you should work to fix

786
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: that instead of leaving, because then you leave everybody in

787
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: that situation.

788
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if there's anyone who on your stands, that's me.

789
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: You know, I was right exactly. I could have given in,

790
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 3: but you know I fought back. I mean, that's that's

791
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, God bless your soul, you know,

792
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 3: but you know.

793
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: So so I thought you were going to shock us

794
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: on this podcast, but I apparently shocked you.

795
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: But honestly, I mean, I know I've kept you way

796
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: too long.

797
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 3: But no, no, I mean I don't have anything going on.

798
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: It's cool, but like it's it's I I had no idea.

799
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: What is that. It's like that's crazy, you know. It's

800
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: like that's like to think because you know, like as

801
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: a doctor, there's like a daily practice like how you

802
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: do things, you know, and when as a doctor when

803
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: you talk to like you as a as a parent,

804
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 3: you you probably don't don't get it right because as doctor,

805
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: when you talk to children like you talk to their parents,

806
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: you know, like when you do surgery on kids. Like

807
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: at TCH when I was offerating there, we did a

808
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: bunch of surgery. I mean major surgeries, liver transplants, kidding

809
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: transplants on kids, major neuroblastomis. I'm talking about. The biggest

810
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: surgeries done on kids in the world were the surgeries

811
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: I was doing. You know, but even if it's an

812
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: appendicitis in a child, right, the parents are sitting there

813
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: like hawks.

814
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: Standard there are certain things are at ten years old,

815
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: I want you talking to me about and I don't

816
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: want them to be afraid.

817
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to think that's how people are. And when

818
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: you have a parent and a child in a clinic

819
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: and you're talking to them about these medical problems, you're

820
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: talking to the parents, right, And of course certain things

821
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: you talk to the kids, but it's directed to the

822
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: parents because they're the ones who are the parents. And

823
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: to think that you would cut them out at twelve

824
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: years because like, you know, I neighbor friend, his kid's

825
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: eleven years old. I mean, it's a young, young child.

826
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: And and to think that, like, as a doctor, I

827
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: would direct my attention mostly towards a child is like,

828
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 3: that's it.

829
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of Yeah, so you think you

830
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: think to yourself, Okay, well, why would the kid If

831
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: the kid can just talk to the doctor about the

832
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: STD and not talk to the.

833
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: Parent, why wouldn't they get medical care?

834
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: Well, because the kid is still on the parents' insurance,

835
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: So if they get medical care, the parent finds out.

836
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: So ultimately, instead of doing anything good, this has locked

837
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: out the parent and locked the kid out of getting

838
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: medical care because the kid is afraid of it showing

839
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: up on the parents' insurance.

840
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the kids don't know what the hell they're

841
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: talking about, because they're kids. They don't know how to

842
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: assess the relative benefits or risks of a certain intervention,

843
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: or like having a certain test done, or like the

844
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: financial implications of something. You know, that's the craziest thing

845
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 3: I've ever heard in my life.

846
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm glad I could shock you. I mean

847
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: I expected you to shock and I and you didn't.

848
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: But no, honestly, I think that this is and I

849
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: brought this up because I think that this is just

850
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: a part of the the next stage of this trenchsgender

851
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: push is to get to the kids directly. And I

852
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: don't understand the ideology behind it or what the ultimate

853
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: plan is to sterilize these children and change them.

854
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: I heard.

855
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: And you just don't get how how doctors are okay

856
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: with that in Michigan? Like, how like if I was

857
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: a doctor in Michigan, or like even a reasonable person

858
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: in Michigan, how I couldn't be like totally cool with

859
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: like treating a parent like that. I mean, how old

860
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: was his doctor? Was he like a you know, you

861
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: have like purple hair and you have like.

862
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: A little No, it's like it's the laws, So they weren't.

863
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: It wasn't like my doctor is a woman, and she

864
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: is he probably ten years older than me, so she's

865
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: probably in her fifties.

866
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: Yes, and so she's in her fifties, so she's like

867
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: not like you know, thirty twenty years old, you know,

868
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Speaker 3: so she's been doing this for a long time, yes,

869
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Speaker 3: like late fifties, early fifties.

870
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Speaker 2: But it's the it's the law, and people are very

871
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: afraid of going against the law. And that is why

872
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: I think we should talk about these things because I

873
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: think it's it is important, and that's why I wanted

874
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: to have you on, because it is important to say

875
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: there are people that stand up to this. You stood

876
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: up to what you saw that was wrong, and I

877
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: hope that people will stand up for against this. And

878
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: it happened so fast, and I talked to doctors and

879
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: they're like, how did this happen?

880
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: I talked to legislators. I was like, how did this happen?

881
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: And they're like, we don't even know how this happened.

882
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Even the legislators didn't know.

883
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: And sometimes these are actually rules that come through agencies,

884
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: like HHS makes a rule that becomes a law somehow

885
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: it acts as a law.

886
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: You know.

887
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: It's like the DNR can make a rule that acts

888
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: like a law, and that's how this happens.

889
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's what happened in my case. Right,

890
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: it was like so like HIPPAA right, where it's a

891
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: law that is meant to protect patient privacy. So you know,

892
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: if you release a patient's name or utilize their medical

893
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: information to blackmail. Yeah, that's a major violation. But you know,

894
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: for for me in my case, it's they had said

895
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 3: there was no damage to a patient. They said that

896
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: it was the hospital and the doctors who were the victims.

897
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: That's how they were able to manipulate it. And now

898
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: I kind of get it, you know when when you

899
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Speaker 3: put it that way about you know, it's a law

900
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Speaker 3: in Michigan, because especially in Michigan, when you have the government,

901
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: when you have the governor, the attorney general, the state prosecutors,

902
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: the state Medical Board, there's so many of these uh

903
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: progressive you know, Yeah, they control the legal infrastructure. And

904
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: I live through it myself. They have a million ways

905
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: to destroy a doctor life. And what they do the

906
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 3: whole point that if they make a doctor an example,

907
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: they take the doctor's medical license. Yes, they try to violate,

908
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: you know, or that govern.

909
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: Here during COVID, we had a doctor up north who

910
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: gave a patient hydroxy chloroquin. His license was taken and

911
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: that and it's just like all these so all of

912
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: these businesses. You have to have a license to cut Harry,

913
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: you have to have a license to be a doctor,

914
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: if delia of a license to be a plumber. All

915
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: of these people who worked during COVID or did something

916
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: like giving hydroxy chloroquin, they had their licenses taken away.

917
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: The state has so much power in Michigan. It's not

918
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: like it's a it's this mystical, mythical thing that could happen.

919
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: Just happened five years ago. People saw the state police

920
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: going in rummaging through your stuff, you know, the HHS

921
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: coming in and saying, give me your license. This was

922
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 2: This is a true story. People know it can happen,

923
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: and so that fear is real.

924
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially in every single state, no matter how

925
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: red or conservative it is the major any establishment medical institution,

926
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: for example, the Texas Medical Association, the surgical associations, you know,

927
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: these are one these have significant impact on local politics. Right, Yes,

928
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: things happen. These people can speak up and be like, no,

929
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: this is wrong. And all of these organizations have been captured.

930
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: And you know, the good thing in Texas there's a

931
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: group of doctors who are you know, staging an insurgency

932
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: in some of these organizations. But that's one of those

933
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: things that has to has to be done more and

934
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: but like there has to be a conservative effort, you know,

935
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: you look, you look at majors.

936
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Speaker 2: I saw you posted something about the American Academy of

937
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Pediatrics that was somebody was like, don't even listen to

938
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: these people.

939
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in the way that these organizations work, they

940
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: are democratic by nature, but due to the the the

941
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 3: takeover at the top levels and the lack of pushback

942
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: at the bottom levels, they're able to maintain an iron fist,

943
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: like a stalin level iron fist on debate. But imagine

944
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 3: if you have not even a lot I'm talking about

945
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: like maybe twenty thirty conservative pediatrician show up to the

946
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: American Academy Pediatrics from when they're national meetings, and you know,

947
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: like when people are voting and expressing objections, they go

948
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: up to the microphone they express objection because at these meetings,

949
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: like I've seen them, where like the policies are presented

950
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 3: in discussed during the national meetings. For an average policy

951
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: might be six seven people, maybe ten people. If you

952
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: have a certain policy, twenty conservative doctors show up or

953
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 3: not even conservative, just people who haven't lost their damn minds,

954
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: you know, then and they make a big fuss it

955
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it changes the calculus, right, It

956
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: becomes much more difficult for the people in leadership to

957
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: be like, now we're shutting this down because all of

958
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: a sudden, they look like tyrants. Because what it's going

959
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: to show, right, how that's going to play out, is

960
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: here's all these pediatricians and there's only like three or

961
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: four or five of you know, these other people like that,

962
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: that kind of it doesn't seem like a like a

963
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: majority anymore when or a consensus when you have a

964
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Speaker 3: bunch of doctor's showing up physically in person.

965
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Speaker 2: And that and that I think is what that's what

966
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: we hope to educate people on. And I appreciate the

967
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: fact that you have been able to speak out, and

968
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: that's and that's why I think it's important to have

969
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: these conversations and to continue to get out there in

970
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: these long form conversations to be able to explain to

971
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: people like, if you see something that's wrong, you have

972
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: a voice, get out there and do it. And that Honestly,

973
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you've done, and I apologize for taking

974
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: all your time, but I thank you so much for

975
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: doing this and coming on and talking about this because

976
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 2: it's it is really important and actually for our audience,

977
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Speaker 2: where can they follow you so that they can see

978
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Speaker 2: what you're doing.

979
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just my first and last name. It's Aton.

980
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 3: I'm there's only one of me on on Google, you know,

981
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Speaker 3: because the first name spelled t h A N and

982
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Speaker 3: this Nancy last name.

983
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I find that too. There's not a lot of tutors.

984
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pronounced like or

985
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: spelled like Ethan but pronounced Aton. But yeah, yeah, like

986
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: it's all it all means nothing, Like we're just kind

987
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: of you know, you know, jerking our chains if we

988
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: talked about these issues. But there there's a lot of actual,

989
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 3: you know, material things you can do to have a

990
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Speaker 3: major impact. And if there's any story to to demonstrate

991
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Speaker 3: the truth of that's mine because I was, I was,

992
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: and still i'm a nobody, like a toy, average person,

993
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: and I was able to fight back against the most

994
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: powerful federal life in human history with the greatest amount

995
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 3: of resources and I had absolutely nothing, and I was

996
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: able to kick the shit out of them on multiple occasions,

997
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: won the case, and now we're fighting back. News about

998
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Speaker 3: that in the next.

999
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Speaker 2: Couple of weeks Okay, good, Yeah, I want to hear

1000
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: about it. Thank you so much, doctor him. I appreciate

1001
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: you coming on here.

1002
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1003
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Speaker 1: Thanks, and thank you all.

1004
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Speaker 2: For joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast For this

1005
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