1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Thursday edition of Bloomberg Sound On. I'm 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: Joe Matthew in Washington. Little Friday with a lot yet 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: to happen today, as we do expect a vote on 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: Israel funding standalone funding in the House of Representatives a 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: bit later on today should happen? 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: What three four hours from now? Based on what we're 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 3: hearing in the. 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: New Speaker of the House held his first news conference 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: as Speaker today says it's time to get this done. 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: Here's a speaker, Mike Johnson. 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: Israel doesn't need a ceasefire. It needs its allies to 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 4: cease what the politics and deliver support now. And that's 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 4: what we're doing. House Republicans plan to do that. We're 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 4: going to do it in short order, and it provides 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 4: Israeli eight. It needs to defend itself, free its hostages 20 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 4: and eradicate Hamas, which is a mission that must be accomplished. 21 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: But of course it's a far cry from what Joe 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Biden asked for that one hundred and six billion dollars 23 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: supplemental that also includes money for Ukraine. You don't need 24 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: me to go through this whole thing now, if you 25 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: watch this program, you could probably tell me at this point. 26 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: And we also have this scoring problem. Remember the CBO 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: yesterday said that this attempt to use IRS money as 28 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: an offset would actually increase the deficit significantly. And so 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer takes to the Senate floor today to say, 30 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: we won't even take up this bill. It's already dead 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: on arrival, remembering the President already threatened to veto it. 32 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 5: The Senate will not be considering this deeply flawed proposal 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 5: from the House GOP, and instead we will work together 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 5: on our own bypart is an emergency aid package that 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 5: includes a to Israel, Ukraine, competition with the Chinese government, 36 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 5: and humanitarian aid for Gaza, so much needed. Let me 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 5: say that again, the Senate will not take up the 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 5: House's GOP's deeply flawed proposal. 39 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: Then what are we doing here? 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: Let's ask Jonathan Tamari from Bloomberg Government, who toils every 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: day on Capitol Hill and has been all over this 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: writing for it about it, I should say, for the 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: Terminal and for Bloomberg dot Com, it's good to see you, Jonathan. 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: We're going to do this, I understand round four thirty 45 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: in the afternoon. Whether it passes or not, I guess 46 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: doesn't matter because it's going nowhere. 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: Is that right? 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 6: That seems to be the indication. But look, it takes 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 6: both sides of Capitol Hill to come up with something. 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 6: You know, the House is going to most likely pass this. 51 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 6: The Senate's going to say it's not going anywhere. The 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 6: Senate will pass their own version that probably ties together 53 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 6: Israel Aid, Ukraine Aid, and a few other priorities, and 54 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 6: the House may very well say, well, we're not taking 55 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 6: that piece up. So this is the negotiation. This is 56 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 6: These are the same factors that Kevin McCarthy confronted before 57 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 6: he was ousted, and then Speaker Johnson replaced him. Ultimately, 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 6: it often ends up being that the House has to 59 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 6: swallow what the Senate can pass because the Senate accent 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 6: a bipartisan way and the President is a Democrat and 61 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 6: aligned with the Senate more. But this is kind of 62 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 6: really his first legislative tests that we're seeing him take 63 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 6: on as the new speaker. 64 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: True enough, and to your point, Tom Cole, Republican Congressman, says, 65 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: don't send that Senate bill over here here he is 66 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: earlier today. 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 7: What they're proposing on their side is not going to 68 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 7: pass over here. And so let's to now and work together. 69 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 7: We have a common objective. We all want to support Israel. 70 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: Let's do that. 71 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure the common objective matters at this point, Jonathan, 72 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: how do we see this ending? Is there a path 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: at some point for a standalone bill or a conference 74 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: that puts some of these other items, including Ukraine, into 75 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: one piece of legislation. 76 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 6: There will certainly be some path, I think on both 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 6: of these items. Exactly what that looks like is unclear, 78 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 6: but look, pass sending aid to Israel is probably one 79 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 6: of the most popular things that Congress can do right now, 80 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 6: the things that would have the most partying support. Whether 81 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 6: that's tied in with other priorities or if it's standalone 82 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 6: by itself, it's something virtually every member of Congress wants 83 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 6: to do. Ukraine is a little more controversial, but there's 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 6: still support in both parties for supporting Ukraine. Senate Minority 85 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 6: Leader Mitch McConnell has been a big proponent of it, 86 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 6: So I think in the end, given the number of 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 6: people who want to see this happen, I think they 88 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 6: do both pass at some point, but it could be 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 6: a rocky road to get there, and it is certainly 90 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 6: going to test how Johnson negotiates with the Senate, negotiates 91 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 6: with Chuck Schumer, and how he manages his own conference 92 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 6: where Ukraine aid is less popular than it is among 93 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 6: Senate Republicans. 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 2: Well, as you write on the terminal, Jonathan, a great story, 95 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: Mike Johnson quickly facing the same forces that slammed McCarthy. 96 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 2: We think about how he could be jammed by the Senate. 97 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: We also think about a government shutdown potentially. What are 98 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: we sixteen days away at this point? The new speakers 99 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: talking about a ladder cr Democrats say they don't even know. 100 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: What that is. 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: Is a shutdown more likely today? As this conversation continues. 102 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 6: You know, I think a shutdown is maybe a little 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 6: less likely overall than we feared back in September, when 104 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 6: I think most people thought there would be a shutdown 105 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 6: and it ended up being averted. I think Johnson has 106 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 6: a little more credibility with his right wing to make 107 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 6: a deal with the Senate. Kevin McCarthy, remember, was never 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 6: trusted by the right wing, so anytime he came back 109 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 6: with a compromise, they were outraged. Johnson starts with some trust, 110 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 6: so they might give him a little more leeway to 111 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 6: make a short term deal. They know they wasted three 112 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 6: weeks just without a speaker, not even being able to 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 6: advance any kind of spending bills, and I think he 114 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 6: wants to avoid a shutdown. He doesn't want to shut 115 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 6: down to be, you know, the first major result that 116 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 6: he's responsible for as the House speaker. So I think 117 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 6: ultimately they find a way to kick this into next year, 118 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 6: but there will be some long, tough negotiations and certainly 119 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 6: some brainsmanship over the next two weeks. 120 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 2: Great reporting, Jonathan, find him on the Terminal, as I 121 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: mentioned in Bloomberg dot com, covering this every day on 122 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: the hill for Bloomberg Government. Jonathan Tamori, We thank you 123 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: as we turn to the situation in Israel, and we're 124 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: going to talk about all this coming up with our panel, 125 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: Rick and Genie. The headline on the Terminal, troops encircle 126 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: Gaza City as death toll climbs. Great questions about what 127 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: this next phase is going to look like in the 128 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: coming days that we want to talk about with Michael 129 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: Knights of the Washington Institute, the Jill and Jay Bernstein fellow, 130 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: who specializes in the military and security affairs and has 131 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: spent a career becoming an expert in Iran's proxies around 132 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: the globe. Michael, it's good to see you and thank 133 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: you for your time today. As this ground operation, which 134 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: we'll call it now instead of an invasion I think, continues. 135 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: You see troops circling Gaza City. What is it exactly 136 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: that they are preparing for and what's going to happen 137 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: in the next couple of days. 138 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 8: The first thing they're doing is what we call isolating 139 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 8: the battlefield, and that means Israeli has already controlled the 140 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 8: offshore environment, the coastline. Now they're also driving a corridor 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 8: south of Gaza City so that Gaza City cannot be 142 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 8: reinforced by Hamas forces in the south of the Gaza Strip. Now, 143 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 8: let's civilian's doubt, but they won't let military reinforcements in 144 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 8: for Hamas and then in the other parts of the 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 8: northern Gaza Strip, what Gaza City is. They're also creating 146 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 8: lodgments there that we call tactical assembly areas, which means 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 8: a cleared area which has been fortified, where you can 148 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 8: forward base your troops and then when they make sorties 149 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 8: into Gaza City and come back at night, they have 150 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 8: a secure base from which to operate. 151 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: Lot says that it's attacking israel barracks, Israeli barracks near 152 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: the Lebanese border, and we keep seeing these headlines about 153 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: skirmishes to the north. Michael, are you more concerned about 154 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: Hamas or Hezbolah when you consider the idea of escalation, 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: I'm actually. 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 8: More concerned about who they's in Yemen who are starting 157 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 8: to throw ballistic missiles and crussols at Israel, and about 158 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 8: the prospect of the front on the Israeli Syrian border 159 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 8: called the Golan kicking off. Also, there's that part of 160 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 8: occupied West Bank in Israel where many of the Postinians there, 161 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 8: non ha mass Palestinians might start to really serious rioting. 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 8: So in some ways I'm less concerned about the you know, 163 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 8: the Hezbola right next door or the Iranians getting involved, 164 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 8: because both of those groups have got a lot to 165 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 8: lose if they were in a knockdown drug out or 166 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 8: with Israel. Whereas they're very willing to fight to the 167 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 8: last Syria, in the last Iraqi, in the last Yemen, 168 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 8: or indeed the last Palestinian to weaken Israel and damaged 169 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 8: reputation of Israel in the US. 170 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you that who these as you mentioned 171 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: have have declared war for whatever that is worth or 172 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: what it means against Israel. And we have seen repeated 173 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: strikes from Israel and the US in fact in Syria. 174 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: What is it that we should be looking for? As 175 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: you mentioned the goal on heights and the skirmishes we're 176 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: seeing in Syria, what could that turn into? 177 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 8: What we're really looking at Amongst all of the rumback 178 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 8: factions is a way of looking like they're supporting Harms 179 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 8: and not letting her mass down. But reality is they're 180 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 8: doing what you would call casualty limiting attacks on the 181 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 8: United States, in other words, quite carefully calibrated attacks that 182 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 8: are not into need to actually kill Americans to draw 183 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 8: heavy retaliation. They're staying away from places like Embassy Baghdad 184 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 8: in Iraq by mutual agreements between the RAM and the 185 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 8: United States. So you know, at the present time it 186 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 8: looks crazy, but it's actually a bit more controlled than 187 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 8: people think. Even leblisas buller and it's fighting with the 188 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 8: Israelis on the border has quite well established rules and 189 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 8: they've been doing this a long time. So yes, rockets 190 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 8: and missiles flying back and forth, but almost all the 191 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 8: players seem to be focused on limiting the intensity and 192 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 8: the geographic broadening of this conflict, whilst not being seen 193 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 8: to let down their partners. For instance, Hamas, You've. 194 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: Been tracking anti US strikes in Iraq and Syria for 195 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks. It's important research that you're 196 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: doing as part of the Malicious Spotlight that'll point people 197 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: to at your website Washington Institute dot org. What's the 198 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: trajectory here. Have you seen an increase or is it's 199 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: been kind of a steady drip so far of attacks 200 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: in Syria and Iraq. 201 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 8: Well, it's been very steady. For the first time since 202 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 8: twenty twenty one, we've seen, you know, a surge of Syria, 203 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 8: of attacks against US bases in Iraq and Syria. Key 204 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 8: trend is that most of the action is moving to 205 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 8: Syria at the moment because Syria is a sort of 206 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 8: failed state environment where we don't recognize the sovereignty of 207 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 8: the Syrian government, so we can all fight freely there. 208 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 8: The Iranian backed groups can fight freely there. They don't 209 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 8: have to worry about the sad regime. And we can 210 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 8: fight freely there because we don't have to worry about 211 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 8: getting kicked out of the country as we would in 212 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 8: Iraq if we started dropping bombs there. So you know, 213 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 8: Syria is really where a lot of it is headed. 214 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 8: What's really interesting is that last night, for the first time, 215 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 8: we didn't get any new attacks on US forces in 216 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 8: Iraq called Syria. And after you know, over a week 217 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 8: and a half of attacks every day, multiple attacks, four 218 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 8: or five to get none feels a little bit like 219 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 8: when the tide recedes right ahead of a tsunami. It 220 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 8: almost feels like someone's taking breath and might be a 221 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 8: bit of a rocky weekend ahead. 222 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: Well that's a scary thought, like someone who's taking a breath. 223 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: So put this together for us, Michael Knights, do all 224 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: these attacks, all the proxy groups that we have mentioned 225 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: suggest a de facto declaration of war by Iran? 226 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: Are we missing the ball on this? 227 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 9: Well? 228 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 8: It's a de facto declaration of proxy war. And what 229 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 8: that really means is this, the Iranians have already gained 230 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 8: a lot of what they want from this conflict. Saudi 231 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 8: Israel US normalization might be wrecked for a while. Arab 232 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 8: world's extremely angry in America and Israel, and a heavy 233 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 8: blow was landed on Israel the military defeat on October 234 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 8: the seventh, At the moment Hamasku probably disappeared in the 235 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 8: face of the earth, and Iran will still chalk this 236 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 8: one up as a wind so they don't need to 237 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 8: put their own homeland security in Iran or His Bullet 238 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 8: survival on the line for this one. They just need 239 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 8: to keep this new story going using all these lower 240 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 8: level tactics. 241 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: Do we need to put our security on the line 242 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 2: here in the US? 243 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 8: I think the movement of the US carry a battle 244 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 8: groups and the very heavy build up in the Middle 245 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 8: East has shown the Iranians and His Bullet that they 246 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 8: can't launch a new blow against Israel, and it probably 247 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 8: has effectively kept them out of the war. They would 248 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 8: have been tempted to come in heavier if they had 249 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 8: not seen US come in so heavy. So I think 250 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 8: what we've done has been quite effective. From deterring the 251 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 8: big war, you know, we can't deter the small war 252 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 8: quite as effectively, these kind of low casualty or no 253 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 8: casualty strikes on the US that mainly signal defiance. 254 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: Michael, I'm glad you could join us and appreciate your 255 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: sharing your expertise with us. Michael Knights the Washington Institute 256 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: where he works as a fellow, bringing expertise here on 257 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: Iranian proxies and exactly what is happening now on the 258 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: ground in Gaza. We're going to bring this to the 259 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: panel next, as the House of Representatives prepares to vote 260 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: on Israel funding in a maneuver that appears to be 261 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: dead on arrival already in the Senate, the President says 262 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: he'll vet to it. So what is the plan to help? 263 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington. Rick and Jeanie are on 264 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: the way in next. On the fastest show in politics, 265 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg. 266 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the 267 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 268 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business app. 269 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 270 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: flagship New York station, Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 271 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: Big day for the new Speaker of the House. 272 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: He's had the job for well all of one week, 273 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: and he's bringing this bill to the floor knowing that 274 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: it's likely not going anywhere if. 275 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: It passes the House. This is Israel. 276 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: We're talking about Speaker Johnson holding his first news conference 277 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: today and he held fourth flank by Republican leadership up 278 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: there in the gallery and let everyone know his plan 279 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: for today. 280 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: Then Democrats take their turn. That's the way this works. 281 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: Everyone clears out, the Minority Party comes in, Pete Aguilar 282 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: not having any of it. 283 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 10: We're learning a lot about this new speaker this week 284 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 10: with these first legislative decisions, and this has been a 285 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 10: complete and total disaster. We look forward to working in 286 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 10: a bipartisan way to send aid to our allies abroad, 287 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 10: but this bill today is not that vehicle. 288 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: A complete and total disaster. As we assemble our panel, 289 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: Jeanie Shanzano and Rick Davis. 290 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: Are with us. 291 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: Glad to say Bloomberg Politics contributors. Great to have you 292 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: both here. Jeanie, I spent a little bit of time 293 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: with Nancy Pelosi earlier today. She held a briefing for 294 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: a group of reporters in downtown Washington, and I asked 295 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: her if it was possible for an election denier to 296 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: succeed as Speaker of the House. She took a second, 297 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: and she said, Republicans wanted Donald Trump to be their speaker. Remember, 298 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: well they got him. 299 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: Was she right? 300 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 11: Yeah, nobody is the original Donald Trump, and many people 301 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 11: have tried. But she's right to the effect that they 302 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 11: do have a speaker now who took steps to you know, 303 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 11: decertify the election, and most prominently in trying to support 304 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 11: Ken Paxton, the attorney general from Texas, with this very 305 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 11: bizarre effort to overturn the results from four other states. 306 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 11: I mean, it's one of the most confounding things. Republicans 307 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 11: used to be all about states, right, and there they 308 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 11: go trying to overturn the elections from other states. So 309 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 11: this is part of who we have as a speaker. 310 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 11: Many of us were not familiar with Mike Johnson before this. 311 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 11: Pelosi certainly was, and now we are learning a lot 312 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 11: more and he is there. But you know, she is 313 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 11: right to the extent that this is what the Republicans 314 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 11: could finally agree on. This is who rather they could 315 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 11: finally agree on somebody who is conservative and he is 316 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 11: an election denier in twenty twenty. And he's also somebody 317 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 11: who has taken steps like you know, defund the IRS 318 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 11: and all of these efforts defund in terms of the 319 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 11: IRS agent. So you know, this is who he is, 320 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 11: and they got what they paid for, and he's in 321 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 11: the same situation that Kevin McCarthy was. None of those 322 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 11: things have changed. 323 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: So what do you make of this exercise today? Rick 324 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer says Senate won't take up the House bill. 325 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: Joe Biden says he'll veto it. Is this just a 326 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: matter of the Speaker getting something on the getting a 327 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: win on the board, then we go on and have 328 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: a more serious conversation about working in bicameral fashion here. 329 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 330 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 12: Absolutely, I don't think this is anything that's unusual at 331 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 12: all between the House and the Senate. That's why they 332 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 12: have this conference process, you know, where confers from the 333 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 12: House and the Senate hammer out differences in the legislation. 334 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 12: You know, the Senate sent a incredibly bipartisan I think 335 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 12: eighty five votes for their bill that they passed last 336 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 12: night on some of the appropriations material, and that does 337 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 12: send the signals to the House that you've got this 338 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 12: big bipartisan margin in the Senate, so you at least 339 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 12: know that anything you come up with that's got Senate 340 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 12: support's going to pass widely. And Speaker Johnson reassured the 341 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 12: Senate say when he met with him that he was 342 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 12: going to give it an open vote on the Ukraine, 343 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 12: and we know that if the House is able to 344 00:18:54,440 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 12: vote on Ukraine that without just Republican votes, then yeah, 345 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 12: it's likely to have three hundred vote margin in the House. 346 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 12: So the reality is, I think we're a lot closer 347 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 12: getting something done. And you know, you know, like Genie's 348 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 12: quick to throw Johnson out of the bus. That's the 349 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 12: new thing for Democrats to do, and makes sense politically 350 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 12: to do it. But for three weeks all we heard 351 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 12: was just pick anybody, anybody, and it'll be great. And 352 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 12: now we got anybody, and he's not good enough. The 353 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 12: reality is that, you know, nobody saw this one coming, 354 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 12: but he's making progress and I think he just kind 355 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 12: of ignore the noise. I mean that the irs deal 356 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 12: is just noise. 357 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: Just noise, and so let's talk about maybe what else 358 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: could be there as an offset. Tom Cole talked about this, Rick, 359 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: this is of course, well, I guess an elder statesman 360 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: in this House of Representatives, he likes. 361 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: The idea of offsets. 362 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: I know that this is controversial for emergency spending, and 363 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 2: he's suggesting if you don't like this, irs, they well, 364 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: maybe there's something else out there. 365 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: Here's Tom Cole from early We would. 366 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 7: Prefer, obviously that we have an offset, and we proposed one. 367 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 7: There's a variety of potential products, but it makes sense. 368 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 7: We have lots of unspent money. Why not use that 369 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 7: and direct it to Israel. 370 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: Support lots of unspent money. Genie. 371 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: He's suggesting there are options here. Should Democrats be having 372 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: this conversation? What would you like to see? 373 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 11: Absolutely, they should have a conversation about responsible offsets. That's 374 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 11: absolutely what should be happening. And it has been a 375 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 11: long term problem in both sides and both sides of 376 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 11: the Aisle, and in both the House and the Senate. 377 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 11: I do have to say to my dear friend Rick Davis, 378 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 11: I was not one of the people saying select anyone 379 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 11: by any means, nor did I throw Mike Johnson under 380 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 11: the bus reiterating what somebody has stood for in their 381 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 11: professional career is not that he was an election denier. 382 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 11: He still is, and he wants to put as a 383 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 11: responsible speaker. He wants to do offsets with the irs, 384 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 11: which everybody agrees is not going to offset anything but 385 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 11: add to the deficit. So I don't think I'm throwing 386 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 11: anybody under the bus. Far from it. I think he 387 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 11: should be very very clear. If he is really intending 388 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 11: to be fiscally responsible, then he should do that. And 389 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 11: I absolutely agreed Democrats should be having that conversation. And no, no, no, 390 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 11: I never said just choose anyone and anything would be great. 391 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 6: Far from it. 392 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: All right, this is not going to help everyone get 393 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: along here because I've got to talk about impeachment. Mike Johnson, 394 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: of course, was asked about this. Surely in his first 395 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: news conference, he would be knowing that this impeachment inquiry 396 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: could turn into a real, full blown impeachment trial. We 397 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: don't know about that. But last evening, I don't know 398 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: if you guys saw this. Speaker Johnson hosted Sean Hannity, 399 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 2: apparently the mascot of the House, and they had, like 400 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: the entire conference on Fox. At one point Hannity asked 401 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 2: all of them, how many see this impeachment procedinging forward 402 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: and would support that? Almost every hand went up, if 403 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: not every hand. Johnson spoke to that today with reporters. 404 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: Serious. 405 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 4: What you're seeing right now is a deliberate constitutional process 406 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 4: that was envisioned by the founders, the framers of the Constitution. 407 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 4: This is how they envisioned this to go, not the 408 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: way the Democrats did it. Snap impeachments, sham impeachments, and 409 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: all the rest. So I know that I know that 410 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: people are anxious about it, but I will say Chairman Comber, 411 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 4: Chairman Jordan, and Judiciary Chairman Smith in ways and means 412 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 4: they've done an extraordinary job, very methodically, and I would 413 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: say outside the scope of politics, that's. 414 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: Not exactly what we heard after the one hearing that 415 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: was held by the Oversight Committee. Rick, do you think 416 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: that this impeachment inquiry actually turns into an impeachment? 417 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it has the potential to do that. 418 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 12: I mean, you know, just to correct the speaker, maybe 419 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 12: he wasn't in the chamber at the time, but it 420 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 12: was a snap impeachment decision by then Speaker McCarthy who 421 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 12: said he would never do it and that would open 422 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 12: it up to the floor for a vote, and he 423 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 12: didn't do that. So there is a bit of a 424 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 12: history here that needs to be pointed out. Not much 425 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 12: different than frankly, what Nancy Pelosi did. So you know, 426 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 12: that's a little bit of baggage to carry into this process. 427 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 12: No question that it was all put on the back burner, 428 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 12: you know when Jim Jordan launched his career to be 429 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 12: a Speaker of the House, and maybe if he had 430 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 12: become speaker would have all gone away, because I'm not 431 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 12: sure who the chairman of the Juiciary Committee would have 432 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 12: been then. But look, they've got an enormous amount of 433 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 12: work to be done, and I think Speaker Johnson is 434 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 12: owing to the political realities of his caucuses sewn by 435 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 12: the you know, everybody raising their hand with Hannity asking 436 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 12: the question. The reality is they just don't have time 437 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 12: to do it between now and the end of the 438 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 12: year unless they decide that they're just going to bail 439 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 12: on everything else they're doing. And frankly, they don't have 440 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 12: that option either. So I would be I would be 441 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 12: amazed if they're able to get anything done before the 442 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 12: end of this session. 443 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: I wish I had more time on this, genie. 444 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: But what does a speaker Johnson meant for an impeachment 445 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: against Joe Biden? 446 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 11: You know, I don't think it makes that much of 447 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 11: a difference. I do think they could potentially have the 448 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 11: votes to impeach. I think the sad reality is is impeachment, 449 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 11: which was seldom used as we know throughout American history 450 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 11: on both sides of the Aisle, has now become a tool, 451 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 11: you know, and they're using it to attack each other, 452 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 11: and that is shameful and it's not the way it 453 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 11: should be. I oppose the first impeachment of Trump, and 454 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 11: unless they have evidence against Joe Biden. If they do, 455 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 11: I would support it, but they got to bring it forward. 456 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 11: But vote wise, they might have the votes to do this, 457 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 11: and I think Republicans would rue the day because it's 458 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 11: not going to go very far in the Senate, but 459 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 11: waste an awful lot of time. 460 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: We turn our attention to the coach coming up next. 461 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: It was a late night and probably not a very 462 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: fun one for Tommy Tuberville. It was less fun for 463 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 2: his Republican colleagues on the Senate floor. 464 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 3: They've had it. 465 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast five weekdays 466 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: at one Eastern, Bloomberg dot Com, the iHeartRadio app, and 467 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app where there's non demand, wherever you 468 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. 469 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: With breaking news from the Senate today, ninety five to 470 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: one the vote to confirm Admiral Lisa Francetti to be 471 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 2: the next Chief of Naval Operations, the first woman to 472 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: be a US military service chief. It actually happened today 473 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: amid a temporary break from the Tommy Tubberville blockade. And 474 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: this is what had Republicans in a lather last night 475 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: on the Senate floor. Imagine this went on for five hours. 476 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: They decided at last to dare Tommy Tuberville to do 477 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 2: what he said he would actually allow and let these 478 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: promotions come to the floor one by one. It just 479 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: didn't work out that way. Listen to Maggie Hassen presiding 480 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: over the Senate with an objection from the senator from Alabama, 481 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: remembering he's blocking these promotions in protest of the Pentagon's 482 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: abortion travel policy. 483 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: Let's go to the Senate. 484 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 6: Is there objection? 485 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: I'm President. This senator from Alabama object objection is heard. 486 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 13: From Alaska. 487 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 14: Thank you, amount of President. And just for people who 488 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 14: are watching, that last nominee fifth fleet commander. So you 489 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 14: may have heard there's two carrier strike groups in the 490 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 14: Middle East. That's the naval officer who would be in 491 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 14: charge of all of them right there. We could have 492 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 14: put him in charge. Pretty important to have fifth fleet 493 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 14: commander ready to go and just objected to I'm not 494 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 14: sure why again we're bringing these up one by one. 495 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: Which is what I thought. 496 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 14: My colleague from Alabama said he was good to go with. 497 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: It's what we did think. Senator Joni aren't the same 498 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 2: looking right at Tommy Tarberthville. 499 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 13: It is really unfortunate that tonight these men and women 500 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 13: have been denied their promotions. We have done the best 501 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 13: that we can to honor the request of a fellow 502 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 13: senator that these nominations be brought to the floor and 503 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 13: voted on individually. And I really respect men of their word. 504 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 13: I do not respect men who do not honor their word. 505 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 2: Wow, So we assemble the panel. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzeno. 506 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: Rick Lindsay Graham says, I've been trying to work with 507 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: his times, speaking directly at Tommy Turberville sitting in the chamber, 508 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: trying to work with you for months on this, but 509 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: you're actually impacting readiness and some of these promotions that 510 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: are stalled will actually lead service members to leave the 511 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: military because at a certain point, if they're not served, 512 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: that'll be the option. Was this a breakthrough last night? 513 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: We actually he saw someone confirmed today. What happens next? 514 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 12: Well, I think that Comrad Tubberville, China's favorite senator, is 515 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 12: finally starting to quote feel the heat. He said last 516 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 12: week that he's going to continue to block these nominations 517 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 12: because he doesn't feel the heat. And I think that 518 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 12: was a good message to the Senate, saying, unless you 519 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 12: turn up the gas, the temperature in the Senate's not 520 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 12: going to be enough to get me to cave. He 521 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 12: did go back on his word. He has been telling 522 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 12: people as part of his sort of spin that if 523 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 12: you want to take him up one by one, I'm 524 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 12: happy to do it. And they did that and he 525 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 12: didn't do it. I would remind him too that these 526 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 12: are all people that you mentioned, Sullivan, Jony Ernst, Lindsey 527 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 12: Graham who throughout their career in the Senate have also 528 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 12: served in the reserve forces of our military, people who 529 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 12: have actually given time out of their Senate career to 530 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 12: support the military, and they would have better unders standing 531 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 12: and the need and readiness of the military of these 532 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 12: confirmations and anybody else standing in the well of the 533 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 12: Senate that night, and they vociferously argued against Comrade Tubberville. 534 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 3: So didn't seem to be any break. 535 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 12: If it was gonna cave a Comrade Tubberville wild have 536 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 12: caved last night. But I think that Republicans and said 537 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 12: are going to have to find other means to do this, 538 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 12: and the practicality of doing it by one by one 539 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 12: like they did with the new Chief of Naval Operations 540 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 12: last night, just isn't practical at a time when we 541 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 12: have to pass important legislation to support our allies around 542 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 12: the world and fund our government. 543 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: Well once snuck through Genie Democrats want to bring them 544 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: in one big block to the floor, is that the 545 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: way this ends because they need Republican help. 546 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: To do that. 547 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 11: They do, and when we got this proposal out by 548 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 11: Reid and Cinema, and it makes sense that they would 549 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 11: essentially be able to vote them on Blanc. I mean, 550 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 11: to Rick's point, it is just not feasible that now 551 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 11: and I believe over three hundred of these promotions that 552 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 11: have been just languishing now for nine months, that you 553 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 11: could go through this one at a time. I mean, 554 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 11: it is a good sign that this vote happened today 555 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 11: and they were able to get one person through. But 556 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 11: you imagine repeating that, and if you try to go 557 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 11: the way they did last night, Tupperville is going to 558 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 11: stand up and he is going to object. You know, 559 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 11: I think one of the most stunning things he said 560 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 11: last night was this you know, fiasco that he's created 561 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 11: has not impacted military readiness, and the reality from everybody 562 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 11: in the military is quite the contrary. And you know, 563 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 11: you look at one of the things that seemed to 564 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 11: spark the Republican group from Collins to Joni Ernst and 565 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 11: Mitt Romney and Todd Young and all the others to 566 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 11: join and really do something you see more in the 567 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 11: House than he was doing the Senate, which is to 568 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 11: this sort of intra party, you know, a Republican on 569 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 11: Republican attack. Was because of what happened to this Marine 570 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 11: commandant who because the promotions have been stalled was working 571 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 11: two jobs and suffered a heart attack. And you know, 572 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 11: this is just happened recently. It's been widely discussed and 573 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 11: it's widely used as an example of this is one 574 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 11: case of many of what this holding up of these 575 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 11: promotions are doing. And of course the reality is, and 576 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 11: I think it was Lindsey Graham who said this, but 577 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 11: the argument they were making yesterday was you were holding 578 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 11: up the careers and lives of people who had nothing 579 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 11: to do with this policy. All the people standing their 580 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 11: last week are opposed to abortion, but this is not 581 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 11: the way to do it, and you're doing it at 582 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 11: a time when we have chaos around the world. We 583 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 11: have troops now spread out all over the world. They 584 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 11: are needed, and you can't continue without people receiving their 585 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 11: proper promotions. So it's well beyond time that Coach Tupperville 586 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 11: has stopped in this one man crusade. 587 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: Genni referring to General Eric Smith and paring cardiac arrest 588 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: on Sunday. Does that light a fire here? 589 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 3: Rick? 590 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: We're out of time. But does this create a new 591 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: sense of urgency? 592 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 13: H for sure. 593 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 12: I think all of these things are bringing to bear 594 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 12: a emergency that exists within a Department of Defense that 595 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 12: needs to be alleviated. 596 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: Everyone's got a plan until something like this happens. Rick 597 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: Davis and Genie Shanzano. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to 598 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch the program live weekdays 599 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: at one Eastern. 600 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: On Bloomberg Radio, the tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, 601 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: and the Bloomberg Business App. You can also listen live 602 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station, Just 603 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 604 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to our two of Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe, 605 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: Matthew and Washington, joined now by Kaylee Lines. Just hours 606 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 2: away from a vote on the House floor on Israel funding, 607 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this right now. Kaylee, welcome 608 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: back to the conversation with the gentlewoman from Florida. We 609 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: go to Capitol Hill now to have a conversation with 610 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. 611 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: It's great to see you, Congresswoman. 612 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: Is we get the view from Democrats here and your 613 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: new Speaker of the House and what's about to happen. 614 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: I know this is not what you were looking for. 615 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer says it's not going to fly in the Senate. 616 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: Joe Biden says he's going to veto it. Will you 617 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: vote for standalone Israel funding today? 618 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 9: You know, I am gravely concerned that Speaker Johnson has 619 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 9: decided for the first time ever, even though I'm sure 620 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 9: that he's sat across his desk from pro Israel supporters 621 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 9: in his community and committed to them that he would 622 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 9: never vote to condition aid to Israel, And yet that's 623 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 9: exactly what he's putting on the floor today. It's unprecedented 624 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 9: and dangerous. He is actually putting a quote pay for 625 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 9: on the bill that doesn't actually pay for anything, blows 626 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 9: up the deficit and jeopardizes Israel and the future of 627 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 9: Israel's security. 628 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 15: But be that as it may, Congresswoman, it still would 629 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 15: provide funding for Israel. What is a moment of need? 630 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 15: So is that a no, you wouldn't vote for this. 631 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 9: I believe it's essential that we put on the floor 632 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 9: the President's entire Emergency Supplemental Security Package, which ensures that 633 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 9: we fully fund Israel's needs in the worst crisis that 634 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 9: any Jews have faced since the Holocaust, that we make 635 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 9: sure that we're standing strongly in support of Ukraine and 636 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 9: not allowing either terrorists like Hamas or tyrants like Putin 637 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 9: to win, and certainly to make sure that we keep 638 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 9: China at bay by providing security to Taiwan. And then 639 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 9: you know, we've got to also think about the disasters 640 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 9: that have occurred across the country, whether it's hurricanes in 641 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 9: Florida or wildfires in Hawaii in California. So we have 642 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 9: a lot more to do, and it's shortsighted to just 643 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 9: put this bill on the floor with a deficit busting 644 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 9: provision that is jeopardizing it israel security. So I support 645 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 9: strongly making sure that Israel has what it needs to 646 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 9: defend itself. And I'm sure I'm going to have an 647 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 9: opportunity to vote for that at some point. 648 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: So it sounds like a know on this one today 649 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: you might have heard earlier from Tom Cole. He says, 650 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: the Senate bill, the one that you're describing, and we've 651 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: talked a lot about it here on the program with 652 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: regard to Ukraine, Taiwan and border security. Congresswoman, and he 653 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: says that bill won't pass the House, So what's the 654 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: pathway here to get all this done? 655 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 9: That bill will passed the House if it comes to 656 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 9: the floor of the House. The only way it doesn't 657 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 9: pass the House, because there is a majority of the 658 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 9: House of Representatives that supports funding for Ukraine, is if 659 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 9: Speaker Johnson makes a decision to put a bill that 660 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 9: has the entire package from the President, fights Putin and 661 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 9: Hamas and keeps China at bay, and takes care of 662 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 9: the natural disasters that dozens of our communities across the 663 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 9: country desperately need relief from, puts it on the floor 664 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 9: and allows a majority of the House of Representatives to 665 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 9: say that they support it, then going to go to 666 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 9: President's Biden deskin, He'll sign it into law. That's how 667 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 9: we can do that. That's how the democratic process works. 668 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 15: And we are just hearing from the White House National 669 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 15: Security spokesperson Admiral Kirby again reiterating that Biden would veto 670 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 15: a bill that only funds Israel. It just becomes a 671 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 15: question though congresswomen of expediency. There has been a lot 672 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 15: of hiccups in the House in recent weeks, partially because 673 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 15: there was no speaker. There is now and he clearly 674 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 15: wants to do this in a single bill. So is 675 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 15: there a point at which it just becomes too urgent 676 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 15: to get this funding to Israel, as that is a live, 677 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 15: hot conflict ongoing right now where things would change for you. 678 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 9: This is very simple. Even if Speaker Johnson wanted to 679 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 9: do it as a single bill, Why is he conditioning eid? 680 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 9: Why is he adding IRS cuts? I mean that's like 681 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 9: having a restaurant. 682 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 15: Okay, if I could just clarify, that's not your issue. 683 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 15: Primarily is the pay for not taking these as single subjects. 684 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 15: If it was a single subject for Israel. 685 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 9: I don't think it should be a single subject. I 686 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 9: think the whole package should come. But it certainly makes 687 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 9: it deeply problematic to put it on the floor when 688 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 9: he has a bit a pay for that blows up 689 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 9: the deficit, that sets a dangerous precedent. And uh and 690 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 9: that is grossly irresponsible. 691 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 3: Congressman. 692 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: Earlier today on the floor, Sure Pete Aguilar said that 693 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 2: that the new speaker is a total disaster. 694 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 3: Are Democrats are going to give him a chance? 695 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: Or is this is already not working, Congresswoman, based on 696 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 2: what you're hearing from Mike. 697 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 9: Johnson, I mean he certainly does. It hasn't started out 698 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 9: with a responsible step foot forward, we could have had 699 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 9: a four hundred plus member vote in support of aid 700 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 9: to Israel in her hour of need, and instead he's 701 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 9: playing political games and using Israel as a political wedge. 702 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 9: Not a very good telegraph of things to come. We'll 703 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 9: see what happens, but we've got a looming government shutdown. 704 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 9: Let's hope that we can come together and ensure that 705 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 9: we don't plunge our economy into disaster by doing something 706 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 9: like that. 707 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 15: So congressom an aside from the question of providing funding 708 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 15: for Israel, they're also are just questions surrounding the conflict 709 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 15: Israel is currently engaged in. There is reporting today that 710 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 15: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln, when he makes a trip 711 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 15: there tomorrow, is going to be pushing the Israeli government 712 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 15: to essentially make a series of pauses in their strikes 713 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 15: to allow humanitarian aid in and to allow hostages to 714 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 15: get out. Do you think at that point, at this point, 715 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 15: that is an appropriate strategy. Should Israel be taking any 716 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 15: pauses here? 717 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 9: Israel is a sovereign nation and they need to be 718 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 9: able to make sure that they can defend themselves and 719 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 9: make their own decisions about how best to do that. 720 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 9: The goal here must be to eradicate Hamas. You have 721 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,959 Speaker 9: only to look at the video that the Hamas spokesperson 722 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 9: did with a news interview in which he said the 723 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 9: Hamas attacks from ten to seven were the first time, 724 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 9: but there will be a second, and a third and 725 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 9: a thousandth time, because they will go after Israelis and 726 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 9: try to eradicate Israel and kill Jews until we're all 727 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 9: dead and until Israel is gone. So this is not 728 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 9: something that we just you know, shrug our shoulders and 729 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 9: it's one and done. They are telling us what they're 730 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 9: going to do, and Israel has to be able to 731 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 9: eradicate Hamas, and certainly we need to make sure we 732 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 9: protect innocent Palestinian lives. We need to free Gaza from Hamas, 733 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 9: and we need to make sure that we can get 734 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 9: humanitarian aid in there, as long as it's not going 735 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 9: to strengthen Hamas instead of weaken it. 736 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 2: There have been some questions about some of the rhetoric 737 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 2: that we've heard about the Israelis from some progressive Democrats, 738 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 2: including Rashida to leave, and I know that the House 739 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 2: chose to reject an effort to censure her. I wonder 740 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 2: your thoughts on that vote, congress Woman, where you came 741 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 2: down on it, and how concerned you are about what 742 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,479 Speaker 2: appears to be an alarming level of anti Semitism growing 743 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 2: in this country. 744 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 9: The alarming level of anti Semitism is something that is 745 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 9: causing Jews across this country to clutch our hearts in fear. 746 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 9: We have and I have two Jewish college students on 747 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 9: a college campus myself. I have a son and a 748 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 9: daughter in college, and it is so frightening to see 749 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 9: the videos that you have Jewish students attending college who 750 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 9: are being surrounded by pro Palestinian protesters who are shouting 751 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 9: from the river to the sea, which essentially means that 752 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 9: Israel should be eradicated. The dangerous anti Semitism that is 753 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 9: spread and propagated online through TikTok and the algorithms of 754 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 9: the social media companies has to be stopped. And thankfully 755 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 9: we have a president who put forth a national strategy 756 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 9: to combat anti sis Semitism. But we need all of 757 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 9: our colleagues to dial down the rhetoric and not fan 758 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 9: the flames to make things worse. We have to come 759 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 9: together and really sit down and demonstrate that we're all 760 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 9: for peace, that we all want to make sure that 761 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 9: we condemn terrorism and that we fight either to terrorism 762 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 9: and the tyrant in Russia, and ensure that we can 763 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 9: promote democracy here and around the world. That should be 764 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 9: all of our priorities. 765 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 15: Well, congresswomen, as you do, try to prioritize those issues 766 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 15: in Congress. There are also a number of maybe distractions, 767 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 15: if you will, that your body has been dealing with, 768 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 15: including last night dealing with the expulsion resolution for Republican 769 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 15: Congressman George Santos. Do you have any idea why thirty 770 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 15: one of your colleagues decided against voting for that. 771 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 9: You know, I did speak to a number of my 772 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 9: colleagues and there were some that were concerned about the 773 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 9: precedent that would set to vote to expel a member 774 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 9: who had not actually been convicted. The majority of us 775 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 9: did vote to expel him, but it takes two thirds, 776 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 9: and you know, I can understand the intellectual argument. I 777 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 9: voted to expel him, and I voted to expel him 778 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 9: because I felt that he was elected on entirely false pretenses. 779 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 9: He his voters were forced to basically vote for a fabrication, 780 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 9: not for who George Santos really is, which is clearly 781 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 9: a fraud and a cheat and a criminal. So I 782 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 9: had some colleagues on both sides of the aisle that 783 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 9: I think felt that explosion was only warranted, like the 784 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 9: two other times that it has been done in the history, 785 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 9: when someone is convicted. 786 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 2: Obviously, when it's good to see you, I know you 787 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 2: have to run for votes. So we'll let you do 788 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 2: that now. W Wasserman Schelt's Democrat from Florida with us 789 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 2: here on Bloomberg. I'm Jill Matthew in Washington alongside Kaylee Lines. 790 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 2: And so there's there's a no yeah on this bill 791 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 2: today that that may not be able to pass the House, 792 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 2: never mind vote anywhere beyond the House. 793 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to the Sound On podcast. 794 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 2: Make sure to subscribe if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, 795 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. And you can 796 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 2: find us live every weekday from Washington, DC at one 797 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 2: pm Eastern Time at Bloomberg dot com.