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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Darren, welcome back to the Book of Joe Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's me Tom Berducci and of course Joe Madden and Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to say we're starting the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season, but the All Star Game came a little

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Speaker 1: bit later this year. Most teams are played have played

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Speaker 1: close to one hundred games already, so it's sprint mode

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Speaker 1: now at this point. But I think it's a good

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Speaker 1: time Joe to recap the All Star Game and coming

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Speaker 1: up on the trade deadline, which is right around the corner.

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Speaker 1: First of all, give me your impressions at the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game this year.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, first of all, I hate at the uniforms.

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Speaker 2: I really want to get I really want us to

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Speaker 2: get either. I mean, you know you talk about bad decisions.

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Speaker 2: I don't get that part. I really I would. I

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Speaker 2: would bet whatever that next year it's going to be

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Speaker 2: back to the players uniforms. Love the IDFC, my guy

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Speaker 2: in my UNI and if I'm participating, same way. So

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Speaker 2: that's that gets you off to the best art.

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Speaker 1: However, well, let me say something on that, Joe, because

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right that from what I hear there's strong

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Speaker 1: consideration that next year they will be returning to individual

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Speaker 1: team uniforms. Now it may be City Connect uniforms, it

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Speaker 1: may be a combination thereof, but I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think most baseball fans want to see their team's

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Speaker 1: players in their uniforms right represent your team and not

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Speaker 1: be wearing a softball uniform. And I think what's happened

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Speaker 1: here with Nike is, you know, the design people have

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Speaker 1: just gotten out of control, and I see it with

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Speaker 1: the City Connect uniforms that they started out okay, and

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Speaker 1: they're trying to outdo one another in terms of let's

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Speaker 1: make this even more outrageous, and they're there. I get

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Speaker 1: you're trying to appeal to a younger audience. I get that,

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Speaker 1: but you're also alienating your core audience. They've just gone

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Speaker 1: way too far with the design of these things, so

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Speaker 1: they have no sense of baseball tradition or history. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm all for new stuff, but there has to be

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Speaker 1: a wink in a nod to baseball tradition as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you seeing those guys lined up over

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Speaker 1: the years in the All Star Game wearing their individual uniforms.

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Speaker 1: How cool. Is that all the different colors it is.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, we're not the University of Oregon here,

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Speaker 2: you know, It's not like you're going to do a

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Speaker 2: different thing every week to ameliorate or apease this twenty

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Speaker 2: something year old group. I know we keep attempting to

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Speaker 2: attract younger fans, and I understand why that is, but

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Speaker 2: I just think it's going the wrong direction with all

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Speaker 2: this to constantly dumb down the game. That now batflips

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Speaker 2: are being described even by old school, old time kind

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Speaker 2: of announcers appreciating the bat flip ball of a sudden

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Speaker 2: and and just this little generalities within the game, you know,

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Speaker 2: inability to take out a middle infielder. I know you

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Speaker 2: might be into that, but I really still believe in

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Speaker 2: the hard slide in the second base. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of things that we're doing. I don't quite understand why

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Speaker 2: it appeals to my methodology. I always thought would be

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Speaker 2: to get the players more involved. And my idea was

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Speaker 2: we've talked about this through Skype and then zoom. Have

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Speaker 2: players zoom groups, classrooms, leagues, whatever. Because the ability to

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Speaker 2: utilize Zoom to get to a large group very easily,

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Speaker 2: very quickly with one Mike Trout with one Showy O

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Speaker 2: where you're actually talking to a group of kids and

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Speaker 2: able to philosophize and what got you there and what

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Speaker 2: you deemed to be important and what is your practice day,

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Speaker 2: like your diet, why is your diet so important to you? Whatever?

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Speaker 2: How much time do you actually spend on your device's

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Speaker 2: cell phones, iPads, whatever. This is the kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: to me that we don't take any advantage of. It's

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Speaker 2: a very superficial way, I think to go about this,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to get a little bit more in depth.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to teach young people what the game is

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Speaker 2: really that would be my way to attempt to draw

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Speaker 2: younger fan base. Younger fan base has got to play

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Speaker 2: follow the game. We're to continually lose players to soccer, football, basketball, etc.

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Speaker 2: So it's the longest played game it's the game that

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Speaker 2: traditionally speaking, historically speaking, we talk about things that happened

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Speaker 2: The Willie Mayses of the world, all the group of

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Speaker 2: We don't ever do anything to perpetuate that. We're not

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Speaker 2: the methodology of the attemp to gardner young viewers or

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Speaker 2: necessary to regrow our game. That's a diatribe. I get

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Speaker 2: the game itself. I watched a little bit of it.

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Speaker 2: and I know he didn't like overpower, but I promise

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Speaker 2: The kid ran from Boston. I love this guy. His

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I gotta tell you. When we went to

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Jared Durant. You know, I

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Speaker 1: it's an amazing story. You know, he had written on

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Speaker 1: He's gone through a lot of mental health issues and

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Speaker 1: More so than that, he's been very open about his

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Speaker 1: his mental health battle. So it's a great story. He's

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Speaker 1: And the stay Alive message on his wrist is he

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Speaker 1: a bad game compared to where he was. It's nothing.

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Speaker 1: And he's got a terrific perspective. He's a great player.

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Speaker 2: Joe latter day Jimmy pearsall in a sense, right perce

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Speaker 2: strikes out the famous movie with Crol Maldon and that

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Speaker 2: was at Anthony Perkins at that time, a Red Sox player, right,

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Speaker 2: having mental health issues based on a very overbearing father.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know all this. And see that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know better than I how much this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, Joe. It sounds like you picked up

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Speaker 2: I had never heard him speak before I saw him

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Speaker 1: Whatever he was coming out, he was like third line

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Speaker 2: To leave me alone. Leave me alone, man, that's what

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Speaker 2: I got. I love that part of it too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was so enthralled by him, even in that short

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Speaker 2: that's what it's all about. I didn't realize the trek

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Speaker 2: him a lot when things aren't working out one. I

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Speaker 2: take anything for granted. Respect ninety That's what I got

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Speaker 2: and now maybe going to hit the skids again, who knows.

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Speaker 2: But I just liked what I saw a lot. I'd

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a guy, Alex Kora says. He's he's a

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Speaker 1: how highly they think of him. Good But you're right, Joe,

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Speaker 1: they gave me the game. Remember this about the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game. I know we live in a time where

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Speaker 1: people love to complain, right, and the complaints seem to

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with the All Star Game or what the

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Speaker 1: ratings were, this, that and the other thing. The All

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Speaker 1: Star Game is still by far the best of any

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Speaker 1: sports all star game, and the way it is competed

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Speaker 1: right is baseball game looks the same in the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game as it does in the regular season. There

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Speaker 1: were twenty two pitches in that game. Thrown at one

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Speaker 1: four different pitchers going one hundred plus. There were fifty

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Speaker 2: to treat everyone differently based on their body strength, their strength,

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Speaker 2: their arm strength, their work ethic, their work habits. How

430
00:22:03,358 --> 00:22:07,278
Speaker 2: there aren't just watch them, watch them, but please don't

431
00:22:07,358 --> 00:22:09,318
Speaker 2: put a blanket over everybody, and said they all have

432
00:22:09,358 --> 00:22:09,958
Speaker 2: to be the same.

433
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a wrap on the All Star Game. After

434
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Speaker 1: we take this quick break, we're gonna look ahead now

435
00:22:15,278 --> 00:22:19,158
Speaker 1: because the trade deadline is coming up. And I got

436
00:22:19,198 --> 00:22:21,478
Speaker 1: a feeling it's going to be very active. We'll talk

437
00:22:21,518 --> 00:22:23,598
Speaker 1: about some of the biggest names that might be out

438
00:22:23,598 --> 00:22:38,998
Speaker 1: there right after this. So for the last two months, Joe,

439
00:22:39,478 --> 00:22:43,038
Speaker 1: people have been writing about trade deadline and possible deals.

440
00:22:43,158 --> 00:22:46,078
Speaker 1: Remember they were writing about the Astros dumping players, the

441
00:22:46,158 --> 00:22:48,998
Speaker 1: Mets dumping players. I mean, if you're a baseball fan,

442
00:22:49,158 --> 00:22:53,318
Speaker 1: understand this, Folks. Front officers do not get deep into

443
00:22:53,358 --> 00:22:56,478
Speaker 1: trade discussions until they're on the other side of the draft.

444
00:22:57,038 --> 00:22:59,758
Speaker 1: They really don't. So a lot of that is just

445
00:22:59,918 --> 00:23:04,478
Speaker 1: noise and ridiculous speculation by people looking for clicks. So

446
00:23:04,518 --> 00:23:06,318
Speaker 1: now we're finally on the other side of the draft,

447
00:23:06,358 --> 00:23:09,278
Speaker 1: and now things are heating up, and now you will

448
00:23:09,318 --> 00:23:12,158
Speaker 1: see some moves in these next couple of weeks. And

449
00:23:12,238 --> 00:23:14,558
Speaker 1: I think, Joe, we're at a stage in the game today,

450
00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:17,278
Speaker 1: and I know that right now you've got twenty one

451
00:23:17,318 --> 00:23:19,758
Speaker 1: to the thirty teams that are within five games of

452
00:23:19,758 --> 00:23:23,238
Speaker 1: a playoff spot. So it looks like it's a seller's market,

453
00:23:24,358 --> 00:23:26,678
Speaker 1: and maybe there won't be a lot of activity because

454
00:23:26,678 --> 00:23:28,878
Speaker 1: there are so many teams still in it. But I

455
00:23:28,958 --> 00:23:30,958
Speaker 1: disagree with that kind of thinking because I think in

456
00:23:30,998 --> 00:23:34,238
Speaker 1: today's game, Joe, there's pressure on teams to do something

457
00:23:34,278 --> 00:23:36,638
Speaker 1: at the deadline, and you look at the last few years,

458
00:23:36,638 --> 00:23:39,958
Speaker 1: just about any contender has to make a move. And

459
00:23:39,998 --> 00:23:43,278
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a blockbuster move. But remember you

460
00:23:43,318 --> 00:23:45,438
Speaker 1: can't make those deals in August the way you could

461
00:23:46,038 --> 00:23:48,998
Speaker 1: three four years ago. This is when the door closes,

462
00:23:49,038 --> 00:23:51,998
Speaker 1: so you'll actually have to build in depth as well

463
00:23:52,078 --> 00:23:54,798
Speaker 1: as need because you're not going to be able to

464
00:23:54,798 --> 00:23:58,718
Speaker 1: find something later on. So with that in mind, I'm

465
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Speaker 1: looking Joe at the trade market here and I think

466
00:24:01,358 --> 00:24:03,798
Speaker 1: the biggest player, the one who can most impact the

467
00:24:03,958 --> 00:24:08,038
Speaker 1: trade deadline, is Tarek Scooble of the Detroit Tigers. Now

468
00:24:08,038 --> 00:24:12,758
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, why would the Tigers trade this guy? Right, Well, listen,

469
00:24:12,798 --> 00:24:14,638
Speaker 1: the Tigers are not to me. They're not a playoff

470
00:24:14,638 --> 00:24:16,518
Speaker 1: team this year. I'm not sure they're a playoff team

471
00:24:16,598 --> 00:24:19,558
Speaker 1: next year. And the third year that's schoolbles last year

472
00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:22,278
Speaker 1: with the Tigers, so he's a free agent. After that,

473
00:24:22,358 --> 00:24:25,118
Speaker 1: you're essentially holding on to him for a window, a

474
00:24:25,118 --> 00:24:27,598
Speaker 1: one year playoff window. The third year, and I'm not

475
00:24:27,678 --> 00:24:29,598
Speaker 1: saying you want to trade him because I love what

476
00:24:29,638 --> 00:24:31,798
Speaker 1: the Tigers are doing with pitching in their system. They

477
00:24:31,798 --> 00:24:35,118
Speaker 1: have a really good core there, they're woefully short offensively

478
00:24:35,158 --> 00:24:39,118
Speaker 1: of bets. And again I'm not saying you want to

479
00:24:39,158 --> 00:24:41,838
Speaker 1: trade him, but you certainly do listen. And you've got

480
00:24:41,878 --> 00:24:45,838
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Dodgers and Baltimore Orioles that he is

481
00:24:45,958 --> 00:24:49,318
Speaker 1: their number one target, and they have farm systems right

482
00:24:49,358 --> 00:24:52,558
Speaker 1: now with major League ready young players who are plug

483
00:24:52,558 --> 00:24:54,718
Speaker 1: and play in your lineup right now. I'm talking middle

484
00:24:54,758 --> 00:24:58,078
Speaker 1: of the order hitters. I think, Joe, if you Detroit,

485
00:24:58,398 --> 00:25:00,958
Speaker 1: you at least have to listen. And again, you don't

486
00:25:01,078 --> 00:25:03,678
Speaker 1: want to move Trek Scooble, because the minute you trade him,

487
00:25:03,958 --> 00:25:06,718
Speaker 1: you want to find another Trek Schoolble. But I think

488
00:25:06,758 --> 00:25:10,078
Speaker 1: the price could be so high in this market. I

489
00:25:10,118 --> 00:25:13,878
Speaker 1: think Detroit has to listen, and I think there's less

490
00:25:13,878 --> 00:25:16,918
Speaker 1: than a fifty percent chance he is traded. But I'm

491
00:25:16,918 --> 00:25:19,278
Speaker 1: telling you that Dodgers and Orioles both see this guy

492
00:25:19,398 --> 00:25:22,718
Speaker 1: as a World Series difference maker that I think it's

493
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Speaker 1: possible it could happen.

494
00:25:24,598 --> 00:25:28,238
Speaker 2: I saw him in person. He is that good. He's

495
00:25:28,838 --> 00:25:32,598
Speaker 2: one of my favorite pitchers in all of baseball. Your explanation,

496
00:25:32,758 --> 00:25:35,238
Speaker 2: the way you presented it makes a lot of sense

497
00:25:35,278 --> 00:25:37,278
Speaker 2: regarding the Tigers of this year. What's going to happen

498
00:25:37,278 --> 00:25:39,638
Speaker 2: next year. And then here he comes in his walk.

499
00:25:39,678 --> 00:25:42,758
Speaker 2: He's coming up right after that, So all that does

500
00:25:42,838 --> 00:25:44,838
Speaker 2: make sense, And then it also makes them why would

501
00:25:44,838 --> 00:25:47,798
Speaker 2: you ever want to trade a kid like this? That's

502
00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:51,878
Speaker 2: going to have to rely on a lot of internal discussions. Obviously,

503
00:25:53,118 --> 00:25:55,758
Speaker 2: I don't watch them enough to know how good or

504
00:25:55,798 --> 00:25:58,518
Speaker 2: bad their offense is and what their young guys look like.

505
00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:00,798
Speaker 2: I guess some of the younger drafts in the last

506
00:26:00,798 --> 00:26:02,998
Speaker 2: couple years that were supposed to be very offensive turned

507
00:26:03,038 --> 00:26:05,958
Speaker 2: out not to be. But again I haven't watched it,

508
00:26:06,518 --> 00:26:08,798
Speaker 2: I really, I mean, regardless of what I reader here,

509
00:26:08,838 --> 00:26:10,918
Speaker 2: I got to put my eyeballs on it to try

510
00:26:10,958 --> 00:26:13,238
Speaker 2: to understand. You know, how much I agree with the

511
00:26:13,518 --> 00:26:15,998
Speaker 2: agree with this, or how much I disagree with this.

512
00:26:16,318 --> 00:26:18,398
Speaker 2: So I don't know that. But your explanation is a

513
00:26:18,398 --> 00:26:21,358
Speaker 2: good one. And then your other point, and it's a

514
00:26:21,358 --> 00:26:25,798
Speaker 2: great one. My favorite, one of my favorite scouts of

515
00:26:25,838 --> 00:26:27,318
Speaker 2: all time. I shouldn't say because I had a lot

516
00:26:27,318 --> 00:26:29,758
Speaker 2: of two or three or five of them, but Geene

517
00:26:29,758 --> 00:26:33,718
Speaker 2: Thompson a great scout for the San Francisco Giant Chicago Cubs.

518
00:26:34,038 --> 00:26:36,518
Speaker 2: Gino pitched for the Cubs back in the thirties, I believe.

519
00:26:36,958 --> 00:26:40,558
Speaker 2: But anytime Gino would walk into signing, Tom Raducci would

520
00:26:40,638 --> 00:26:42,878
Speaker 2: be in his house and you'd be there with all

521
00:26:42,878 --> 00:26:47,358
Speaker 2: the parents, grandparents, girlfriends, everybody's in there. Everybody's so happy.

522
00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:49,958
Speaker 2: Gino brings the contract in the kids signs he's gonna

523
00:26:49,958 --> 00:26:54,038
Speaker 2: be a professional baseball player. So wonderful evening. And as

524
00:26:54,078 --> 00:26:56,318
Speaker 2: Jane was walking out the door, he get the kid

525
00:26:56,358 --> 00:26:59,758
Speaker 2: aside and say, now, remember one thing. When I leave

526
00:26:59,798 --> 00:27:01,358
Speaker 2: here tonight, I'm going to go out there and look

527
00:27:01,398 --> 00:27:04,078
Speaker 2: for somebody better than you. I always thought that was

528
00:27:04,118 --> 00:27:07,198
Speaker 2: the greatest line. They My god, I wish I was

529
00:27:07,238 --> 00:27:09,078
Speaker 2: smart enough to do something like that. So that's what

530
00:27:09,118 --> 00:27:12,238
Speaker 2: it's always about. You're always looking for somebody better than

531
00:27:12,678 --> 00:27:14,718
Speaker 2: and that's how you try to improve what you're doing.

532
00:27:15,518 --> 00:27:18,158
Speaker 2: Guy like Schooble, though, Man, I'm telling you what, You're

533
00:27:18,198 --> 00:27:21,398
Speaker 2: gonna have to go a long way and search very

534
00:27:21,438 --> 00:27:25,318
Speaker 2: deeply because that's left handed and that is I mean

535
00:27:25,398 --> 00:27:28,278
Speaker 2: right down to his name and is and his themeanor

536
00:27:28,558 --> 00:27:31,918
Speaker 2: and his mound presence and stuff and everything about this kid.

537
00:27:32,158 --> 00:27:33,078
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.

538
00:27:33,398 --> 00:27:36,158
Speaker 1: Yeah, And again there's a lot of pressure on the Dodgers,

539
00:27:36,198 --> 00:27:38,318
Speaker 1: who are very short of pitching, and they're not sure

540
00:27:38,318 --> 00:27:40,158
Speaker 1: about some of the health issues they have there and

541
00:27:40,198 --> 00:27:43,438
Speaker 1: the Orioles. To me, you know, they're they're so backed

542
00:27:43,478 --> 00:27:45,958
Speaker 1: up with position players, Joe, they can afford to make

543
00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:50,558
Speaker 1: a deal and it'll hurt He'll get me wrong, but

544
00:27:50,638 --> 00:27:53,238
Speaker 1: it won't hurt their major league chances of winning the

545
00:27:53,278 --> 00:27:55,998
Speaker 1: World Series this year with schoolble actually the next couple

546
00:27:55,998 --> 00:27:59,398
Speaker 1: of years. So the other starting pitcher is interesting to

547
00:27:59,438 --> 00:28:01,718
Speaker 1: me is Garrett Crochet. You saw him pitching the All

548
00:28:01,718 --> 00:28:05,198
Speaker 1: Star Game. What a terrific arm this kid has. I mean,

549
00:28:05,518 --> 00:28:09,998
Speaker 1: first year starting just he leaves major leagues in strikeout rate.

550
00:28:10,598 --> 00:28:12,438
Speaker 1: He's the kind of picture you know this, Joe. In

551
00:28:12,478 --> 00:28:14,758
Speaker 1: the postseason. That's what teams want, right, You want a

552
00:28:14,798 --> 00:28:18,118
Speaker 1: starting pitcher can go six innings and miss bats and

553
00:28:18,278 --> 00:28:21,278
Speaker 1: against good lineups. He's that kind of pitcher. The only issue,

554
00:28:21,358 --> 00:28:24,918
Speaker 1: Joe is that he is a converted reliever. He's already

555
00:28:24,958 --> 00:28:27,398
Speaker 1: passed his career high in innings. A team that trades

556
00:28:27,438 --> 00:28:29,518
Speaker 1: for him is going to have to be careful with

557
00:28:29,598 --> 00:28:31,438
Speaker 1: how they use him in the next couple of months.

558
00:28:32,838 --> 00:28:35,038
Speaker 1: He does have an injury history with the arm. He's

559
00:28:35,038 --> 00:28:37,958
Speaker 1: got a little funkiness to his delivery. He's being on

560
00:28:37,998 --> 00:28:39,518
Speaker 1: the market. He's being put on the market by the

561
00:28:39,518 --> 00:28:41,838
Speaker 1: White Sox as a true number one, which he should

562
00:28:41,878 --> 00:28:43,918
Speaker 1: because that's what his numbers to this point of the

563
00:28:43,918 --> 00:28:46,598
Speaker 1: season look. But I'm not sure if I trade for him, Joe,

564
00:28:46,598 --> 00:28:48,558
Speaker 1: I can value him as a true number one because

565
00:28:48,598 --> 00:28:50,638
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to manage his innings for the

566
00:28:50,638 --> 00:28:53,638
Speaker 1: rest of the season. And you know, your team that

567
00:28:53,678 --> 00:28:55,638
Speaker 1: wants to win the World Series, you need a seven

568
00:28:55,678 --> 00:28:58,758
Speaker 1: month pitcher at that point. So I think it's going

569
00:28:58,798 --> 00:29:00,718
Speaker 1: to be hard to have a deal come to fruition

570
00:29:00,798 --> 00:29:02,718
Speaker 1: because a team that wants to trade for him will

571
00:29:02,798 --> 00:29:05,838
Speaker 1: value him less than what the White Sox are valuing him.

572
00:29:05,878 --> 00:29:09,158
Speaker 2: As it sounds to me, You're right, I agree with

573
00:29:09,198 --> 00:29:10,798
Speaker 2: all that. It sounds to me like you're going to

574
00:29:10,838 --> 00:29:12,518
Speaker 2: be training for a relief picture for the rest of

575
00:29:12,558 --> 00:29:14,638
Speaker 2: this year and then really attempt to stretch him out

576
00:29:14,638 --> 00:29:17,438
Speaker 2: again next year, if that's something you is amenable to you.

577
00:29:17,478 --> 00:29:20,678
Speaker 2: A team that's really maybe looking more into the pin

578
00:29:20,798 --> 00:29:23,638
Speaker 2: as opposed to the starting rotation, which I don't even

579
00:29:23,638 --> 00:29:26,478
Speaker 2: know who that is, but I'm betting by the end

580
00:29:26,478 --> 00:29:29,638
Speaker 2: of the season to really garner as much utility out

581
00:29:29,678 --> 00:29:31,438
Speaker 2: of the spot you possibly can. You've got to have

582
00:29:31,438 --> 00:29:33,238
Speaker 2: to put him back in the pen and then, like

583
00:29:33,278 --> 00:29:35,398
Speaker 2: I said, continue with the process of stretching him out

584
00:29:35,398 --> 00:29:37,958
Speaker 2: again next year. It's a big risk. It is a

585
00:29:37,958 --> 00:29:41,758
Speaker 2: big risk because having been a relief pitcher, little funkiness

586
00:29:41,758 --> 00:29:45,238
Speaker 2: and going out there and throwing way more innings than

587
00:29:45,238 --> 00:29:47,678
Speaker 2: you have and any time in the past, that would

588
00:29:47,678 --> 00:29:49,678
Speaker 2: be something that would be concerning to me. And I'm

589
00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:54,758
Speaker 2: very I'm not very conservative or concerned about always worried

590
00:29:54,758 --> 00:29:58,238
Speaker 2: about hurting guys, although I should even take that back.

591
00:29:58,278 --> 00:30:00,038
Speaker 2: I mean, one of my biggest concerns as a manager

592
00:30:00,038 --> 00:30:02,838
Speaker 2: was hurting my relief pictures by not over using these

593
00:30:02,838 --> 00:30:05,798
Speaker 2: guys and making sure that they were okay, and always

594
00:30:05,918 --> 00:30:08,998
Speaker 2: always about the relief pitcher. But if this trade were

595
00:30:08,998 --> 00:30:12,478
Speaker 2: to occur with him, I would think the team that

596
00:30:12,518 --> 00:30:14,238
Speaker 2: wants him or is going to go out maybe give

597
00:30:14,318 --> 00:30:16,798
Speaker 2: up something for him, would have a short term interested

598
00:30:16,878 --> 00:30:19,078
Speaker 2: him in a bullpen and a long term interest in

599
00:30:19,118 --> 00:30:20,918
Speaker 2: him as a starter might be the best way to

600
00:30:20,918 --> 00:30:21,438
Speaker 2: look at it.

601
00:30:21,838 --> 00:30:24,758
Speaker 1: After that, I think your next best starting pitching options

602
00:30:24,958 --> 00:30:27,318
Speaker 1: Eric Fetti the White Sox. He's had a really nice year.

603
00:30:28,278 --> 00:30:31,278
Speaker 1: Jack Flaherty the Tigers, and his stuff is back, you know,

604
00:30:31,398 --> 00:30:35,518
Speaker 1: probably one level down from that, but possible postseason starters.

605
00:30:35,558 --> 00:30:39,758
Speaker 1: So the starting pitchers, listen, look around baseball. You don't

606
00:30:39,798 --> 00:30:41,598
Speaker 1: need me to tell you that people are looking for

607
00:30:41,638 --> 00:30:44,478
Speaker 1: starting good teams are looking for starting pitching. Everybody other

608
00:30:44,558 --> 00:30:47,798
Speaker 1: than the Phillies. So I think those guys will get traded.

609
00:30:48,158 --> 00:30:50,398
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about a team that's interesting, Joe,

610
00:30:50,398 --> 00:30:53,038
Speaker 1: and you know them well, the Tampa Bay Rays. You

611
00:30:53,078 --> 00:30:55,478
Speaker 1: know they're on the fringes of the race. I mean,

612
00:30:55,878 --> 00:30:57,358
Speaker 1: this is the time of year where you have to

613
00:30:57,398 --> 00:30:59,638
Speaker 1: be really honest with yourself if you're a president of

614
00:30:59,638 --> 00:31:03,358
Speaker 1: baseball operations, whether you're an actual playoff team, are you

615
00:31:03,438 --> 00:31:06,438
Speaker 1: a team that can actually win, say three series, and

616
00:31:06,438 --> 00:31:08,798
Speaker 1: not just show up and be out in the first round.

617
00:31:10,358 --> 00:31:12,438
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of honesty this time of year,

618
00:31:12,518 --> 00:31:14,478
Speaker 1: and maybe the next top couple of weeks tell you

619
00:31:14,518 --> 00:31:16,798
Speaker 1: for sure which way to go. Team gets hot, team

620
00:31:16,798 --> 00:31:20,158
Speaker 1: gets cold, That can really change direction. But the Rays,

621
00:31:20,238 --> 00:31:23,278
Speaker 1: to me, have guys like Yanni Diaz, Randy Rosen, Reina,

622
00:31:23,478 --> 00:31:26,398
Speaker 1: Zach Efflin. They've they've got some pieces Pete Fairbanks that

623
00:31:26,438 --> 00:31:29,078
Speaker 1: they can move. But let me ask you this about

624
00:31:29,118 --> 00:31:31,398
Speaker 1: the raise, Joe, because I think there's a lot of

625
00:31:32,358 --> 00:31:34,918
Speaker 1: exterior pressure, if you will, on teams when they make

626
00:31:34,998 --> 00:31:38,038
Speaker 1: deals and fan bases want you to get something done.

627
00:31:38,358 --> 00:31:41,158
Speaker 1: I get the sense that in Tampa there's not that

628
00:31:41,278 --> 00:31:43,918
Speaker 1: same kind of pressure because there is so much turn

629
00:31:43,998 --> 00:31:47,638
Speaker 1: with that team. If they pivoted and wanted to move players,

630
00:31:48,278 --> 00:31:50,838
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's public pressure on that front office

631
00:31:50,878 --> 00:31:52,918
Speaker 1: to avoid doing something like that. So I think they

632
00:31:52,958 --> 00:31:54,958
Speaker 1: have a certain freedom that a lot of teams don't

633
00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:57,758
Speaker 1: have when it comes to making deals, and I think

634
00:31:57,758 --> 00:32:00,518
Speaker 1: the Rays could be a sneaky player at this deadline.

635
00:32:00,398 --> 00:32:03,918
Speaker 2: That's well described. The pressure may come a little bit

636
00:32:03,958 --> 00:32:06,318
Speaker 2: from the local radio stations. They've always had a very

637
00:32:06,318 --> 00:32:10,198
Speaker 2: active talk radio down there. Newspaper wise, Mark Talkin, one

638
00:32:10,198 --> 00:32:12,878
Speaker 2: of the best writers in the country. He'll just report

639
00:32:12,918 --> 00:32:18,598
Speaker 2: it properly as is, without any historyonics regarding the explanation.

640
00:32:18,958 --> 00:32:21,998
Speaker 2: He's so good at like he's a real baseball guy,

641
00:32:22,358 --> 00:32:25,118
Speaker 2: and he'll report it in a manner that im is

642
00:32:25,598 --> 00:32:28,838
Speaker 2: straight up kind of a thing, and you're gonna get

643
00:32:28,878 --> 00:32:34,118
Speaker 2: like this. There's there's this little group of real sincere

644
00:32:34,398 --> 00:32:37,878
Speaker 2: raised lovers fans that will have show some concern or

645
00:32:38,198 --> 00:32:40,678
Speaker 2: vitriol if something like that were to happen, Like I said,

646
00:32:40,998 --> 00:32:43,598
Speaker 2: you'll get the Collins on talk radio. However, it doesn't

647
00:32:43,598 --> 00:32:47,118
Speaker 2: move any kind of a needle. It doesn't cause the

648
00:32:47,158 --> 00:32:50,518
Speaker 2: front officer ownership there to really be concerned or try

649
00:32:50,558 --> 00:32:53,078
Speaker 2: to ameliorate these these concerns. Of these of these the

650
00:32:53,158 --> 00:32:55,638
Speaker 2: fan base kind of like a vocal minority is what

651
00:32:55,718 --> 00:32:59,798
Speaker 2: it is. So yeah, if I'm Eric, I don't think

652
00:32:59,798 --> 00:33:03,278
Speaker 2: any of that matters to them or Maddie Silverman. So

653
00:33:03,318 --> 00:33:04,958
Speaker 2: they're gonna just what they think is the right thing

654
00:33:04,958 --> 00:33:07,358
Speaker 2: to do. And you're right, I've already written this down earlier.

655
00:33:07,878 --> 00:33:09,958
Speaker 2: What is your objective here? Is it just to get

656
00:33:09,998 --> 00:33:11,678
Speaker 2: to the playoffs and knowing that it's not going to

657
00:33:11,798 --> 00:33:14,638
Speaker 2: last very long, or you really think you could do

658
00:33:14,718 --> 00:33:16,278
Speaker 2: something a move or two is going to get you

659
00:33:16,318 --> 00:33:21,038
Speaker 2: to the World Series. Completely different conceptually, So yeah, the

660
00:33:21,118 --> 00:33:23,958
Speaker 2: Rays do work in a bubble. They've earned it. I

661
00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:26,878
Speaker 2: mean they've created this method this way. They get criticized

662
00:33:26,878 --> 00:33:30,318
Speaker 2: a lot of times that come out winning. They take

663
00:33:30,358 --> 00:33:32,478
Speaker 2: players that nobody's ever heard of and make them good.

664
00:33:32,958 --> 00:33:38,678
Speaker 2: They take philosophies, theories, methods, and they do them first

665
00:33:38,718 --> 00:33:41,998
Speaker 2: and everybody else wants to copy them, So this another thing.

666
00:33:42,198 --> 00:33:45,958
Speaker 2: They're kind of exonerated from any kind of criticism with this. Again,

667
00:33:46,158 --> 00:33:48,958
Speaker 2: maybe a vocal minority. Otherwise, it's not going to move

668
00:33:48,998 --> 00:33:50,798
Speaker 2: the needle at all if they choose to do something.

669
00:33:51,198 --> 00:33:54,518
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Texas Rangers, defending World Series champions.

670
00:33:54,558 --> 00:33:57,718
Speaker 1: They've had a tough go of it. I think they're

671
00:33:57,718 --> 00:34:00,118
Speaker 1: in it, Joe, and I know the way Chris Young

672
00:34:00,198 --> 00:34:05,198
Speaker 1: runs things in Texas. They're not folding, and they've got

673
00:34:05,838 --> 00:34:09,278
Speaker 1: pitchers coming back. Tyler Maalley is probably the first one back.

674
00:34:09,398 --> 00:34:12,718
Speaker 1: Jacob de Grom, by the way, was that Globelife field

675
00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:15,558
Speaker 1: the day of the All Star Game with a bullpen session.

676
00:34:15,638 --> 00:34:19,638
Speaker 1: He's been throwing ninety eight with his usual great change up,

677
00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:22,878
Speaker 1: and he spun the ball for the first time on

678
00:34:22,958 --> 00:34:26,758
Speaker 1: Tuesday at his outing there. He's not that far off.

679
00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:31,838
Speaker 1: He's probably mid to late August coming back. Cody Bradford

680
00:34:31,918 --> 00:34:33,958
Speaker 1: is on his way back as well. The third baseman,

681
00:34:34,038 --> 00:34:37,918
Speaker 1: Josh Young, is coming back. I just gave you four names,

682
00:34:38,078 --> 00:34:41,118
Speaker 1: So they're adding players. It may not be trades. They

683
00:34:41,118 --> 00:34:43,078
Speaker 1: may make a trade as well. I don't know, but

684
00:34:44,638 --> 00:34:47,518
Speaker 1: be careful You're not right off that team quite yet, Joe.

685
00:34:47,558 --> 00:34:49,638
Speaker 1: In terms of the Texas Rangers and getting back into

686
00:34:49,638 --> 00:34:50,198
Speaker 1: this thing.

687
00:34:50,318 --> 00:34:52,318
Speaker 2: If those are great acquisitions, right, if they could go

688
00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:54,238
Speaker 2: on and get those players at the deadline, they do

689
00:34:54,278 --> 00:34:56,398
Speaker 2: it in a heartbeat. I agree with you. I mean,

690
00:34:56,438 --> 00:34:59,558
Speaker 2: they've hung in there pretty well. They've had some bad streaks,

691
00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:02,078
Speaker 2: and again I haven't watched them as closely enough to know,

692
00:35:02,678 --> 00:35:05,358
Speaker 2: but I do know their pitch has taken a big

693
00:35:05,438 --> 00:35:08,638
Speaker 2: hit and some of the offensive performances have not been there.

694
00:35:08,678 --> 00:35:13,918
Speaker 2: But there's this backtracking even on that, the hangover of

695
00:35:13,958 --> 00:35:17,878
Speaker 2: this whole thing. Believe me, I've experienced it a couple times,

696
00:35:17,918 --> 00:35:20,318
Speaker 2: and it's true. It's really hard to repeat in Major

697
00:35:20,398 --> 00:35:23,438
Speaker 2: League Baseball based on the length of spring training, the

698
00:35:23,518 --> 00:35:26,238
Speaker 2: length of the season, and the length of the playoffs. Man,

699
00:35:26,278 --> 00:35:28,198
Speaker 2: you got to be good a lot and so there's

700
00:35:28,238 --> 00:35:29,918
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of that to be

701
00:35:29,998 --> 00:35:33,278
Speaker 2: concerned with. The other part, with theve they've had a

702
00:35:33,318 --> 00:35:35,438
Speaker 2: lot of guys You've mentioned the names that have been

703
00:35:35,438 --> 00:35:38,198
Speaker 2: injured or coming back. They're fresh. These guys are going

704
00:35:38,238 --> 00:35:39,718
Speaker 2: to be fresh and eager and they want to get

705
00:35:39,718 --> 00:35:41,598
Speaker 2: going and they're going to give this team a big

706
00:35:41,638 --> 00:35:44,358
Speaker 2: boost and they could really catch Lighting in a bottle

707
00:35:44,358 --> 00:35:47,478
Speaker 2: because that division is definitely not out of their reach

708
00:35:47,558 --> 00:35:52,038
Speaker 2: by any means. So yes, I don't know what they

709
00:35:52,038 --> 00:35:55,078
Speaker 2: would really want to acquire based like I said on

710
00:35:55,118 --> 00:35:57,678
Speaker 2: guys getting well, I don't even know that they have to.

711
00:35:57,718 --> 00:36:01,158
Speaker 2: They the Grom's back, that their basement's back, and all

712
00:36:01,198 --> 00:36:03,438
Speaker 2: the pitchers that they do have a surezers come back.

713
00:36:05,558 --> 00:36:07,198
Speaker 2: I was just told Pat and I would just get

714
00:36:07,238 --> 00:36:10,038
Speaker 2: these guys well, and I really believe that they're going

715
00:36:10,118 --> 00:36:13,518
Speaker 2: to make a strong push in August and September, and

716
00:36:13,598 --> 00:36:16,518
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised if

717
00:36:16,518 --> 00:36:18,278
Speaker 2: they overtake that division by the end of the year.

718
00:36:18,638 --> 00:36:21,278
Speaker 1: That's a great point, especially with Bruce Bochi as a manager.

719
00:36:21,278 --> 00:36:23,598
Speaker 1: And I didn't mention Evan Carter and they thought maybe

720
00:36:23,718 --> 00:36:25,798
Speaker 1: he would be lost for the year, but he's on

721
00:36:25,798 --> 00:36:28,958
Speaker 1: his way back. Now, let's talk finally about the New

722
00:36:28,998 --> 00:36:32,998
Speaker 1: York Yankees, Joe, because they're in a tough spot. I mean,

723
00:36:32,998 --> 00:36:36,078
Speaker 1: they clearly have missed the big bat of John Carlos Stanton.

724
00:36:36,758 --> 00:36:38,518
Speaker 1: He's going to be out for a little while longer

725
00:36:38,598 --> 00:36:40,998
Speaker 1: before he gets back, but he gives that line up

726
00:36:41,038 --> 00:36:43,238
Speaker 1: the depth that absolutely has been missing here for the

727
00:36:43,318 --> 00:36:44,078
Speaker 1: last couple of months.

728
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:44,518
Speaker 2: That's right.

729
00:36:44,598 --> 00:36:46,758
Speaker 1: The only problem is it's hard to rely on John

730
00:36:46,798 --> 00:36:50,438
Speaker 1: Carlos Stanton staying healthy. So what do you do? I

731
00:36:50,798 --> 00:36:53,598
Speaker 1: think this team needs a bat, Joe? I do? I

732
00:36:53,638 --> 00:36:56,558
Speaker 1: think they keep giving at bats to Labor Torres and

733
00:36:56,678 --> 00:37:00,238
Speaker 1: DJ Lemayhew. And you like both players, but based on

734
00:37:00,278 --> 00:37:03,198
Speaker 1: what you're seeing here, I think they're getting too many

735
00:37:03,198 --> 00:37:06,718
Speaker 1: at bats. Mayhew is a guy who looks like the

736
00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:09,678
Speaker 1: bat just has not got the same pop to it,

737
00:37:09,758 --> 00:37:12,078
Speaker 1: the same snap to it. And you look at you

738
00:37:12,078 --> 00:37:13,838
Speaker 1: know he doesn't hit the ball in the opposite field

739
00:37:13,838 --> 00:37:17,398
Speaker 1: the way he used to. It's a career low percentage.

740
00:37:17,598 --> 00:37:19,438
Speaker 1: He's a guy. To me, Joe, he had a very

741
00:37:19,998 --> 00:37:23,718
Speaker 1: unique way of hitting a baseball. He's been open, let

742
00:37:23,798 --> 00:37:26,318
Speaker 1: the ball travel, and he'd take those fastballs and shoot

743
00:37:26,398 --> 00:37:29,118
Speaker 1: him the other way. Well, now with the bat being

744
00:37:29,198 --> 00:37:32,598
Speaker 1: a little bit slower, he's trying to cheat to get

745
00:37:32,678 --> 00:37:35,478
Speaker 1: to pitches, and that's not the way he hits. Now,

746
00:37:35,518 --> 00:37:37,838
Speaker 1: what's happening is by trying to cheat to the ball,

747
00:37:38,238 --> 00:37:41,198
Speaker 1: he's rolling over a ton. He's got a really high

748
00:37:41,198 --> 00:37:43,798
Speaker 1: ground ball rate and he's pulling the ball on the

749
00:37:43,798 --> 00:37:45,758
Speaker 1: ground to the pole side more than he ever has

750
00:37:45,838 --> 00:37:48,838
Speaker 1: in his career. He just looks lost to me, like

751
00:37:48,918 --> 00:37:51,478
Speaker 1: he's not the same hitter. I don't know that you

752
00:37:51,518 --> 00:37:54,118
Speaker 1: can count on that now going to turn around. And

753
00:37:54,158 --> 00:37:56,638
Speaker 1: the same goes for labor Torres. Whether it's because it's

754
00:37:56,638 --> 00:37:59,838
Speaker 1: his walkier or not. He's never been a great breaking

755
00:37:59,838 --> 00:38:03,998
Speaker 1: ball hitter, but he's especially vulnerable this year. So I

756
00:38:03,998 --> 00:38:06,638
Speaker 1: don't know what options they have Joe, but I think

757
00:38:06,678 --> 00:38:09,638
Speaker 1: that the back half of their lineup is just not

758
00:38:09,798 --> 00:38:12,798
Speaker 1: good enough, and I think prioritizing that and they always

759
00:38:12,798 --> 00:38:15,758
Speaker 1: look at Bullpen, I get that, but I think they

760
00:38:15,798 --> 00:38:17,198
Speaker 1: need some more depth in the lineup.

761
00:38:17,678 --> 00:38:20,118
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like you just said, I mean, Stanton

762
00:38:20,158 --> 00:38:23,198
Speaker 2: can provide protection when he's there, and then even when

763
00:38:23,198 --> 00:38:26,358
Speaker 2: he's there, it's a very streaky kind of an offensive player.

764
00:38:27,478 --> 00:38:30,558
Speaker 2: He'll show you before the series whether he's going to

765
00:38:30,678 --> 00:38:33,158
Speaker 2: chase or not. You'll know exactly where to go and

766
00:38:33,198 --> 00:38:34,958
Speaker 2: if he's hot, you know, or not to go because

767
00:38:34,998 --> 00:38:37,278
Speaker 2: he's just not going to miss it. But I do

768
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,238
Speaker 2: believe in length in the lineup. I do believe in

769
00:38:39,318 --> 00:38:43,438
Speaker 2: presence when certain people are involved or present in the lineup.

770
00:38:43,478 --> 00:38:47,678
Speaker 2: It definitely presents differently to the other team. Prior to

771
00:38:47,678 --> 00:38:49,638
Speaker 2: the game, in the lineup sent over, and during the game,

772
00:38:49,678 --> 00:38:52,278
Speaker 2: the pitcher's just looking at it, the catchers looking on

773
00:38:52,358 --> 00:38:54,798
Speaker 2: deck circle who's in the hole. It just presents differently,

774
00:38:55,678 --> 00:38:58,198
Speaker 2: and it creates a different attitude or a plan of

775
00:38:58,238 --> 00:39:01,958
Speaker 2: attack from that particular team. I would not be surprised

776
00:39:02,038 --> 00:39:04,918
Speaker 2: if Cash goes after another bat. I don't know exactly,

777
00:39:04,918 --> 00:39:06,878
Speaker 2: like you said, who that might be right now, but

778
00:39:08,318 --> 00:39:12,118
Speaker 2: I could see that I don't even know where Rizz

779
00:39:12,238 --> 00:39:14,078
Speaker 2: is at right now, though riz was not having that

780
00:39:14,158 --> 00:39:16,838
Speaker 2: kind of year either. The kid Rice is doing a really,

781
00:39:16,838 --> 00:39:20,038
Speaker 2: really nice job for them, So it's one of those

782
00:39:20,078 --> 00:39:22,718
Speaker 2: things that's an internal question. They know what these guys

783
00:39:22,718 --> 00:39:25,438
Speaker 2: look like in person, they know how well or unwell

784
00:39:25,478 --> 00:39:28,478
Speaker 2: they are. The thing about le Mayhew, I'm such a

785
00:39:28,518 --> 00:39:33,118
Speaker 2: fan of his, always have been. You're right. Whenever I

786
00:39:33,158 --> 00:39:35,758
Speaker 2: get a chance to see them on the tube, I'm

787
00:39:35,838 --> 00:39:39,158
Speaker 2: surprised and all the attempts on pulling the ball, like

788
00:39:39,198 --> 00:39:41,958
Speaker 2: you're saying, cheating getting out in front the rollover. This

789
00:39:42,038 --> 00:39:44,518
Speaker 2: guy was like a bigger version of Derek Jeter. For me,

790
00:39:44,638 --> 00:39:47,878
Speaker 2: for years, everything was inside the ball he would fight

791
00:39:47,958 --> 00:39:50,798
Speaker 2: stuff off, there was too muches above his thumbs and

792
00:39:50,878 --> 00:39:53,878
Speaker 2: still hit the ball to right field. Well, I'm sure

793
00:39:53,918 --> 00:39:56,478
Speaker 2: that's been brought up with him. I'm sure the inside

794
00:39:56,478 --> 00:39:58,838
Speaker 2: out approach has been brought up to him. Again. I

795
00:39:58,878 --> 00:40:01,518
Speaker 2: don't even know if he's thinking more power internally, whatever,

796
00:40:01,598 --> 00:40:03,278
Speaker 2: But this guy's a line drive hit or he's a

797
00:40:03,278 --> 00:40:07,038
Speaker 2: gap kind of Wright Centers is his favorite place. That's

798
00:40:07,038 --> 00:40:09,598
Speaker 2: where he goes home to, So I don't know. And

799
00:40:09,638 --> 00:40:12,078
Speaker 2: he's been injured a little bit. What is his injuries like,

800
00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:14,358
Speaker 2: I'm just curious because I've been such a big fan

801
00:40:14,838 --> 00:40:16,838
Speaker 2: of his for such a long period of time. Gliber,

802
00:40:16,838 --> 00:40:20,678
Speaker 2: I know, Gliber. I'm surprised a little bit there because

803
00:40:20,758 --> 00:40:23,078
Speaker 2: as a youngster man, this kid was so exciting to me.

804
00:40:23,598 --> 00:40:25,118
Speaker 2: I know he's had a couple of good years with

805
00:40:25,158 --> 00:40:26,878
Speaker 2: the Yankees, but I don't know where his head's at

806
00:40:26,958 --> 00:40:29,078
Speaker 2: right now, and i'd have to again be able to

807
00:40:29,078 --> 00:40:32,438
Speaker 2: have that conversation ascertain what I think or don't think

808
00:40:32,478 --> 00:40:35,398
Speaker 2: about that. But yeah, I could see Cash wanting to

809
00:40:35,398 --> 00:40:38,678
Speaker 2: go out and getting you back, because even when stant

810
00:40:38,798 --> 00:40:41,318
Speaker 2: comes back, you can't be assured that he's going to

811
00:40:41,358 --> 00:40:42,358
Speaker 2: be there for the rest of the year.

812
00:40:42,678 --> 00:40:44,838
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. I do think it'll be active, maybe

813
00:40:44,838 --> 00:40:47,998
Speaker 1: not blockbusters, But again, I think the biggest name that

814
00:40:47,998 --> 00:40:50,198
Speaker 1: could influence who wins the World Series this year is

815
00:40:50,238 --> 00:40:53,078
Speaker 1: Trek Skooble. He might not get traded. I'm not predicting

816
00:40:53,118 --> 00:40:55,558
Speaker 1: he will be, but if he's in play at all,

817
00:40:55,598 --> 00:40:57,958
Speaker 1: that should be very interesting to see if the Dodgers

818
00:40:57,958 --> 00:41:01,438
Speaker 1: and Orioles especially, he can put together a package. And

819
00:41:01,558 --> 00:41:03,558
Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break when we come back,

820
00:41:04,078 --> 00:41:08,278
Speaker 1: talk about one of Joe's the favorite people in baseball,

821
00:41:08,318 --> 00:41:10,758
Speaker 1: at least the scouts, and we lost a good one.

822
00:41:11,118 --> 00:41:27,478
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that right after this. Joe, I'm wondering

823
00:41:27,518 --> 00:41:30,518
Speaker 1: if during the course of your travels you came across

824
00:41:30,598 --> 00:41:37,318
Speaker 1: a new Jerry Walker, longtime former pitcher, general manager, pitching coach,

825
00:41:37,758 --> 00:41:40,558
Speaker 1: scout just about did everything in the game, who passed

826
00:41:40,598 --> 00:41:42,358
Speaker 1: away this week Jerry Walker.

827
00:41:42,958 --> 00:41:47,598
Speaker 2: I honestly did not know Jerry. I did not I'm aware,

828
00:41:47,638 --> 00:41:49,558
Speaker 2: but I did not know Jerry in a person, live room.

829
00:41:49,638 --> 00:41:52,598
Speaker 2: We really well, I don't even know. I don't remember

830
00:41:52,638 --> 00:41:54,358
Speaker 2: ever crossing passed with him. To be honest with.

831
00:41:54,318 --> 00:41:57,518
Speaker 1: You, Well, it's interesting because he passed away during the

832
00:41:57,558 --> 00:42:00,358
Speaker 1: All Star break, and he is still to this day

833
00:42:00,478 --> 00:42:02,878
Speaker 1: the youngest pitcher ever to start the All Star Game.

834
00:42:03,918 --> 00:42:07,318
Speaker 1: Eighteen fifty nine and that's when they had two All

835
00:42:07,318 --> 00:42:09,678
Speaker 1: Star Games. This was the second one in August at

836
00:42:09,678 --> 00:42:13,758
Speaker 1: the Coliseum in Los Angeles. Jerry Walker was signed at

837
00:42:13,758 --> 00:42:15,758
Speaker 1: a high school. Remember the Bonus Babies.

838
00:42:15,478 --> 00:42:17,718
Speaker 2: Joe, Oh yeah, absolutely, Yes.

839
00:42:17,598 --> 00:42:22,238
Speaker 1: He's a high school pitcher in Ada, Oklahoma who went

840
00:42:22,318 --> 00:42:25,718
Speaker 1: fifty two to one in high school, and the Orioles

841
00:42:25,718 --> 00:42:28,638
Speaker 1: gave him sixty thousand dollars to sign. Back in those days,

842
00:42:29,078 --> 00:42:31,318
Speaker 1: you would have to carry him on your major league

843
00:42:31,438 --> 00:42:34,198
Speaker 1: roster immediately if you went over I think it was

844
00:42:34,238 --> 00:42:35,998
Speaker 1: over four thousand dollars or something.

845
00:42:36,318 --> 00:42:38,318
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they new a couple of guys like that. Yep.

846
00:42:38,438 --> 00:42:41,598
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Jerry Walker's in the big leagues at eighteen.

847
00:42:42,078 --> 00:42:44,758
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy to think about that rule, and

848
00:42:45,478 --> 00:42:47,998
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was done to try to limit teams

849
00:42:48,038 --> 00:42:52,438
Speaker 1: from getting in bidding wars on players. But he pitched

850
00:42:52,678 --> 00:42:56,718
Speaker 1: in the big leagues that year thirteen games. He came

851
00:42:56,758 --> 00:42:58,798
Speaker 1: back the next year and fifty eight back to the minors,

852
00:42:58,798 --> 00:43:00,758
Speaker 1: but he also pitched in the major leagues that year,

853
00:43:00,838 --> 00:43:03,838
Speaker 1: came back up to the big leagues anyway. At nineteen,

854
00:43:04,198 --> 00:43:07,038
Speaker 1: his first full season as a professional, he threw two

855
00:43:07,198 --> 00:43:12,838
Speaker 1: hundred and ten innings. He had through fourteen complete games.

856
00:43:13,198 --> 00:43:15,078
Speaker 1: So I know a lot of us sit here and

857
00:43:15,118 --> 00:43:17,318
Speaker 1: we say, why didn't they like guys pitch anymore? We

858
00:43:17,398 --> 00:43:19,678
Speaker 1: forget all these stories. By the way, Jerry Walker, he

859
00:43:19,758 --> 00:43:21,838
Speaker 1: was done as a professional at the age of twenty eight.

860
00:43:23,478 --> 00:43:25,558
Speaker 1: You know, we just lose track of the guys who

861
00:43:25,638 --> 00:43:27,718
Speaker 1: were just blown out of the system. And back then,

862
00:43:27,838 --> 00:43:30,558
Speaker 1: you know, there weren't surgeries to recover if you got hurt.

863
00:43:31,558 --> 00:43:34,118
Speaker 1: But with no limits on pitchers, I mean, there's a

864
00:43:34,118 --> 00:43:36,478
Speaker 1: lot of room between the limits today and having no

865
00:43:36,558 --> 00:43:40,398
Speaker 1: limits back in nineteen fifty eight. But this happened a lot.

866
00:43:40,678 --> 00:43:42,238
Speaker 1: You just you got an eighteen year old kid with

867
00:43:42,278 --> 00:43:45,238
Speaker 1: a good arm. He pitched, He pitched, he pitched. You know,

868
00:43:45,398 --> 00:43:47,958
Speaker 1: he had fourteen complete games out of twenty six starts

869
00:43:47,958 --> 00:43:51,238
Speaker 1: that year as a nineteen year old in the minor

870
00:43:51,318 --> 00:43:52,518
Speaker 1: leagues and the major leagues.

871
00:43:52,918 --> 00:43:55,558
Speaker 2: I remember, like you're talking about limits, and I kind

872
00:43:55,598 --> 00:43:58,638
Speaker 2: of alluded to that earlier. I managed in Idaho Falls

873
00:43:59,078 --> 00:44:01,198
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one, rookie ball in nineteen eighty two,

874
00:44:01,238 --> 00:44:05,598
Speaker 2: and three in Salem, Moregon Rookie Ball, eighty four in Peoria, Illinois,

875
00:44:05,638 --> 00:44:09,078
Speaker 2: and eighty five eighty six in Midland, Texas Minor League

876
00:44:09,118 --> 00:44:11,958
Speaker 2: pitching director's coaches where it was warren't Spawn my first

877
00:44:11,998 --> 00:44:15,318
Speaker 2: year Spawn he was my guy, and then had Marcel

878
00:44:15,438 --> 00:44:17,318
Speaker 2: Latchman after that, and latch went to the big leads,

879
00:44:17,358 --> 00:44:22,238
Speaker 2: and I was junior Coleman, Joe Coleman. None of them

880
00:44:22,638 --> 00:44:25,238
Speaker 2: really had any hard and fast rules regarding what you

881
00:44:25,318 --> 00:44:28,718
Speaker 2: cannot do or innings or numbers of pitches, And the

882
00:44:28,798 --> 00:44:31,638
Speaker 2: number of pitches was a bigger issue than innings. Pitch

883
00:44:31,718 --> 00:44:34,158
Speaker 2: back then how many pitches a guy actually threw. If

884
00:44:34,158 --> 00:44:37,718
Speaker 2: you remember then, the next day starting pitcher always charted

885
00:44:37,758 --> 00:44:39,758
Speaker 2: the previous day's game. And that's where we got our

886
00:44:39,798 --> 00:44:44,358
Speaker 2: information from. Because none of this stuff was calculated computer

887
00:44:44,478 --> 00:44:48,238
Speaker 2: wise and presented to the entire organization. It was presented

888
00:44:48,278 --> 00:44:51,038
Speaker 2: from them by the managers to the whole organization that

889
00:44:51,278 --> 00:44:53,398
Speaker 2: night through a phone call or a fax with the

890
00:44:53,518 --> 00:44:56,118
Speaker 2: game sheets sent back into the main office. With all

891
00:44:56,118 --> 00:45:00,078
Speaker 2: this information on that, you accumulated yourself. So, like I

892
00:45:00,118 --> 00:45:02,838
Speaker 2: said in the book, we have I guess you said

893
00:45:03,118 --> 00:45:05,158
Speaker 2: Bobby Kipper had threw one hundred and forty pitches one

894
00:45:05,238 --> 00:45:08,238
Speaker 2: night in rookie ball. Bobby, left handed pitcher from Chicago,

895
00:45:08,278 --> 00:45:12,398
Speaker 2: pitch in the big leagues. I remember Kirk mccasko in

896
00:45:12,678 --> 00:45:14,958
Speaker 2: a winning effort over the Medford As over one hundred

897
00:45:14,958 --> 00:45:16,878
Speaker 2: pitches in a playoff game in or Bonto, Luga the

898
00:45:16,958 --> 00:45:21,278
Speaker 2: very next night in Salem, Morgan versus Medford. That was

899
00:45:21,358 --> 00:45:24,558
Speaker 2: never the issue, and we relied so much. I related

900
00:45:24,598 --> 00:45:28,518
Speaker 2: so much on the expertise and knowledge of Spawnie or

901
00:45:28,558 --> 00:45:31,838
Speaker 2: Marcel or Junior Coleman to set the tone. They're the

902
00:45:31,838 --> 00:45:36,158
Speaker 2: guys that set the tone. It was not dictated in

903
00:45:36,158 --> 00:45:38,198
Speaker 2: a front office sense. There was never any kind of

904
00:45:40,958 --> 00:45:43,918
Speaker 2: by words interference. But everybody was permitted to do their jobs.

905
00:45:43,918 --> 00:45:47,678
Speaker 2: And you were hired because you, whoever was doing the hiring,

906
00:45:47,878 --> 00:45:50,118
Speaker 2: like your track record from where you had been before,

907
00:45:50,638 --> 00:45:53,278
Speaker 2: talked to certain people, saw the pictures that you developed

908
00:45:53,278 --> 00:45:55,958
Speaker 2: as an example, et cetera. And so these guys were

909
00:45:55,958 --> 00:45:58,718
Speaker 2: giving autonomy to create this and then to go out

910
00:45:58,758 --> 00:46:01,118
Speaker 2: and hire your pitching coaches, which I still believe is

911
00:46:01,158 --> 00:46:03,198
Speaker 2: the right way to do it. I believe a major

912
00:46:03,238 --> 00:46:05,878
Speaker 2: league pitching coach should hire a bullpen coach. Because they

913
00:46:05,878 --> 00:46:10,158
Speaker 2: work so often together things to that nature. So I'm

914
00:46:10,238 --> 00:46:14,198
Speaker 2: part of that. Of course, guys got hurt, but I'm

915
00:46:14,278 --> 00:46:16,998
Speaker 2: I mean for me, like guys got hurt a little bit,

916
00:46:17,118 --> 00:46:19,238
Speaker 2: I thought with one couple of years with me because

917
00:46:19,238 --> 00:46:21,638
Speaker 2: they were all the young guys were throwing splitters for

918
00:46:21,638 --> 00:46:24,198
Speaker 2: fork balls, which I didn't like, but I had I

919
00:46:24,278 --> 00:46:26,518
Speaker 2: was not in charge of that. I didn't like the

920
00:46:26,518 --> 00:46:28,718
Speaker 2: idea of them throwing that as much and not developed

921
00:46:28,718 --> 00:46:33,358
Speaker 2: from their fastball first as an example, but we emphasized,

922
00:46:33,878 --> 00:46:37,038
Speaker 2: you know, throwing the first base. You had to be

923
00:46:37,118 --> 00:46:39,158
Speaker 2: able to throw a fastball in the strikes and where

924
00:46:39,158 --> 00:46:41,478
Speaker 2: you wanted to often enough to be able to get promoted.

925
00:46:42,358 --> 00:46:44,518
Speaker 2: Command control and command was a big part of this.

926
00:46:45,278 --> 00:46:47,558
Speaker 2: These are the kind of edicts that came down from

927
00:46:47,598 --> 00:46:51,158
Speaker 2: the pitching coaches. But it was never from anybody in

928
00:46:51,198 --> 00:46:54,318
Speaker 2: the office your farm director of course, not you're Scotting director,

929
00:46:54,318 --> 00:47:00,198
Speaker 2: your general manager. None of it was came from them directly. Now,

930
00:47:00,198 --> 00:47:02,318
Speaker 2: having said all that, one of the things I've always

931
00:47:02,318 --> 00:47:04,958
Speaker 2: wanted when as a young manager coming up was I

932
00:47:04,998 --> 00:47:09,518
Speaker 2: wanted more uniform approach annually, like almost like an angel's

933
00:47:09,518 --> 00:47:13,238
Speaker 2: way of doing things, because oftentimes guys left, guys got fired,

934
00:47:13,278 --> 00:47:15,798
Speaker 2: somebody knew would come in and we'd have to retrain

935
00:47:15,878 --> 00:47:19,398
Speaker 2: my entire group to cut off in relays, doing differently,

936
00:47:19,438 --> 00:47:22,878
Speaker 2: whatever philosophies would change. So that's the part I didn't

937
00:47:22,958 --> 00:47:25,918
Speaker 2: like that. We didn't have an annual method or way

938
00:47:25,918 --> 00:47:29,718
Speaker 2: of doing things that I thought kind of prevented some development,

939
00:47:29,718 --> 00:47:34,238
Speaker 2: whereas like the Dodgers did, the Cardinals did, the branch

940
00:47:34,318 --> 00:47:36,838
Speaker 2: Rickey Pirates did have a way of doing things. They

941
00:47:36,958 --> 00:47:40,078
Speaker 2: ran into a lot of their former coaches and managers

942
00:47:40,078 --> 00:47:42,398
Speaker 2: and we would talk and they would talk about that often,

943
00:47:42,758 --> 00:47:45,398
Speaker 2: and that's where those groups had the edge. So this

944
00:47:45,878 --> 00:47:48,438
Speaker 2: is what I was dealt with, confronted with. There was

945
00:47:48,518 --> 00:47:50,278
Speaker 2: some good points about it. There was some things that

946
00:47:50,358 --> 00:47:53,878
Speaker 2: weren't as good. But when it came to pitching itself

947
00:47:53,958 --> 00:47:57,198
Speaker 2: and how pitchers were taught and permitted, how long to

948
00:47:57,238 --> 00:48:00,318
Speaker 2: go in a game, that was pretty much at the

949
00:48:00,398 --> 00:48:05,358
Speaker 2: discretion and at the edict of the league coordinator, pitching

950
00:48:05,398 --> 00:48:07,918
Speaker 2: coordinator in conjunction with the major league pitching coach.

951
00:48:08,478 --> 00:48:10,878
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just reminded me of a big part of

952
00:48:11,438 --> 00:48:14,158
Speaker 1: the book I wrote, The Cubs Way. When theo Epstein

953
00:48:14,238 --> 00:48:17,078
Speaker 1: got to Chicago, he wanted to put together the Cub's

954
00:48:17,158 --> 00:48:22,118
Speaker 1: way because nothing was written down. There wasn't a methodology,

955
00:48:22,158 --> 00:48:25,718
Speaker 1: if you will, of how to teach what strategies. It's

956
00:48:25,758 --> 00:48:28,038
Speaker 1: something up and down the system, as you said, Joe,

957
00:48:28,238 --> 00:48:31,318
Speaker 1: and he wanted a document so that everybody was on

958
00:48:31,358 --> 00:48:35,198
Speaker 1: the page, same page. And I remember him telling me

959
00:48:35,838 --> 00:48:40,038
Speaker 1: specifically this story about as as detailed as what foot

960
00:48:40,158 --> 00:48:42,998
Speaker 1: you should use to step on a base while rounding

961
00:48:42,998 --> 00:48:46,518
Speaker 1: a base. Now he later admitted it really didn't matter.

962
00:48:47,038 --> 00:48:48,958
Speaker 1: It's more about where you hit the bass. Doesn't matter

963
00:48:48,958 --> 00:48:50,918
Speaker 1: whether it's left foot or right foot. But those are

964
00:48:50,958 --> 00:48:55,078
Speaker 1: the things they debated with all the baseball people, the scouts,

965
00:48:55,118 --> 00:48:58,358
Speaker 1: the coaches, the instructors, and you got them all together

966
00:48:58,438 --> 00:49:01,558
Speaker 1: and got tremendous input. But getting that down that this

967
00:49:01,718 --> 00:49:04,598
Speaker 1: is the way we want to play baseball. You're right,

968
00:49:04,678 --> 00:49:07,518
Speaker 1: it's super important. And the Orioles were known that we're

969
00:49:07,598 --> 00:49:10,398
Speaker 1: known for that for years and years, right the Oriole Way.

970
00:49:10,838 --> 00:49:13,238
Speaker 1: So Jerry Walker was pitching for the Orioles, and that

971
00:49:13,438 --> 00:49:15,678
Speaker 1: Paul Richards was the manager back then. He had a

972
00:49:15,718 --> 00:49:18,198
Speaker 1: lot to do with those baby birds. The foundation of

973
00:49:18,238 --> 00:49:21,638
Speaker 1: the winning championship Baltimore teams. A lot of the young

974
00:49:21,638 --> 00:49:24,278
Speaker 1: players he brought in there as manager of the Orioles.

975
00:49:24,278 --> 00:49:27,078
Speaker 1: But it's interesting Joe getting back to that fifty nine

976
00:49:27,158 --> 00:49:30,238
Speaker 1: All Star game. Jerry Walker. Then he's twenty years old.

977
00:49:30,278 --> 00:49:33,038
Speaker 1: He's just a kid. He finds out between games of

978
00:49:33,038 --> 00:49:36,278
Speaker 1: a Sunday double header, this is how far we're going

979
00:49:36,318 --> 00:49:39,398
Speaker 1: back Sunday doubleheaders, that he's on the All Star team.

980
00:49:39,438 --> 00:49:42,438
Speaker 1: Their catcher, Orioles catcher Gus Treando's is hurt, needs to

981
00:49:42,478 --> 00:49:45,478
Speaker 1: be replaced. So this is the Sunday before the All

982
00:49:45,478 --> 00:49:48,758
Speaker 1: Star Game. He finds out that he's an All Star.

983
00:49:49,398 --> 00:49:52,318
Speaker 1: Not only that. Casey stangle the manager, then decides you're

984
00:49:52,358 --> 00:49:55,718
Speaker 1: my starting pitcher. Twenty years old. He looks at the

985
00:49:55,798 --> 00:49:59,238
Speaker 1: National league lineup. You've got Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Ernie Banks,

986
00:49:59,238 --> 00:50:04,318
Speaker 1: stam usual Eddie Matthews. He actually pitched well, and he

987
00:50:04,358 --> 00:50:08,638
Speaker 1: actually threw get this three innings in the game. And

988
00:50:08,758 --> 00:50:13,318
Speaker 1: Casey Stangele used three of the Orioles pitchers in that game,

989
00:50:13,798 --> 00:50:16,158
Speaker 1: and he did not use his own pitcher, Ryan durn

990
00:50:16,198 --> 00:50:20,158
Speaker 1: the relief pitcher. Paul Richards was not happy. He called

991
00:50:20,158 --> 00:50:24,438
Speaker 1: it a miserable active malfeasance. First of all, you gotta

992
00:50:24,558 --> 00:50:28,158
Speaker 1: love it a miserable active malfeasans. If you're gonna go off,

993
00:50:28,238 --> 00:50:30,478
Speaker 1: go off in a literal way like that. I mean,

994
00:50:30,598 --> 00:50:35,678
Speaker 1: that's just perfect. But that was Casey Stangele as well Paul.

995
00:50:35,558 --> 00:50:40,118
Speaker 2: Richards, like you're relating right there, very very bright man.

996
00:50:40,398 --> 00:50:44,838
Speaker 2: With the Rays, we had a group of outfielders I

997
00:50:44,838 --> 00:50:47,518
Speaker 2: can't remember the exact year, but didn't throw all that well.

998
00:50:48,158 --> 00:50:50,278
Speaker 2: So Zim brought it to my attention, he said, when

999
00:50:50,278 --> 00:50:55,238
Speaker 2: he back in day, Paul Richards insisted that every ball

1000
00:50:55,318 --> 00:50:57,798
Speaker 2: hit to the outfield, the outfielders throw the ball the

1001
00:50:57,918 --> 00:51:01,598
Speaker 2: second base, period, keep the double plaane order. Throw the

1002
00:51:01,638 --> 00:51:04,358
Speaker 2: ball to second base, never throw the ball home, never

1003
00:51:05,758 --> 00:51:08,358
Speaker 2: keep the double play in order keep that runner from advancing.

1004
00:51:08,638 --> 00:51:10,598
Speaker 2: So that year, with the race, that was our thing.

1005
00:51:11,038 --> 00:51:13,238
Speaker 2: We only threw the ball the second base because the

1006
00:51:13,318 --> 00:51:15,838
Speaker 2: arms weren't good enough wow to throw the ball home.

1007
00:51:16,158 --> 00:51:19,038
Speaker 2: But that was Zim relating to me a Paul Richard

1008
00:51:19,118 --> 00:51:22,118
Speaker 2: is and I've heard other things about Paul Richards. The

1009
00:51:22,198 --> 00:51:24,478
Speaker 2: guy was kind of like ahead of his time, kind

1010
00:51:24,478 --> 00:51:26,798
Speaker 2: of a dude. But that's an example of a Paul

1011
00:51:26,918 --> 00:51:31,158
Speaker 2: Richards thought. That made all the sense in the world

1012
00:51:31,238 --> 00:51:34,038
Speaker 2: to me, because I think it was like Desmond Jennings.

1013
00:51:36,358 --> 00:51:39,078
Speaker 2: I can't remember who's the other two guys, maybe Carl

1014
00:51:39,558 --> 00:51:42,038
Speaker 2: and somebody else that just because BJ couldn't have been

1015
00:51:42,078 --> 00:51:44,638
Speaker 2: BJA because BJ had a great arm, but we had

1016
00:51:44,678 --> 00:51:47,318
Speaker 2: three guys out there that just didn't throw that well,

1017
00:51:47,478 --> 00:51:48,878
Speaker 2: so we just threw the ball the second base.

1018
00:51:48,958 --> 00:51:51,758
Speaker 1: Mister Paul Richards, that's great. I know he had a

1019
00:51:51,838 --> 00:51:54,638
Speaker 1: huge influence on the young Tony LaRussa as well did

1020
00:51:54,638 --> 00:51:59,518
Speaker 1: Paul Richards. So Jerry Walker later became a manager in

1021
00:51:59,558 --> 00:52:03,238
Speaker 1: the Yankees minor league system, was also, as I mentioned,

1022
00:52:03,278 --> 00:52:06,678
Speaker 1: a scout, came general manager of the Tigers. They went

1023
00:52:06,678 --> 00:52:09,238
Speaker 1: to the front office of the Cardinals, where he worked

1024
00:52:09,278 --> 00:52:11,918
Speaker 1: under Walt Jockety, and then Walt Jackety hired him in

1025
00:52:12,038 --> 00:52:14,598
Speaker 1: Cincinnati as well with the Reds. So god, I missed

1026
00:52:14,718 --> 00:52:16,958
Speaker 1: a lifetime dedicated to the game of baseball in so

1027
00:52:16,958 --> 00:52:20,078
Speaker 1: many different ways. And I'll have to tell you, Joe,

1028
00:52:20,078 --> 00:52:22,998
Speaker 1: those are the kind of people that the game really

1029
00:52:22,998 --> 00:52:26,078
Speaker 1: still needs to value very highly when you think about

1030
00:52:26,198 --> 00:52:29,678
Speaker 1: the breath and width of experience for someone like that

1031
00:52:29,758 --> 00:52:33,278
Speaker 1: who played the game, was a coach, was a front

1032
00:52:33,278 --> 00:52:37,118
Speaker 1: office executive, basically touched every side of the game. And

1033
00:52:37,158 --> 00:52:40,678
Speaker 1: I always say there's a big difference between knowledge and wisdom,

1034
00:52:41,038 --> 00:52:44,398
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes this game doesn't really acknowledge enough

1035
00:52:44,758 --> 00:52:47,718
Speaker 1: the power of the wisdom. We know all about the knowledge,

1036
00:52:47,718 --> 00:52:50,758
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of that, but having people around who

1037
00:52:50,758 --> 00:52:53,318
Speaker 1: can give you that balance as well is super important.

1038
00:52:53,598 --> 00:52:57,118
Speaker 2: Who's passing the game along, who's passing it along. I

1039
00:52:57,158 --> 00:53:00,998
Speaker 2: am so grateful that I spent as much time as

1040
00:53:01,038 --> 00:53:03,598
Speaker 2: I did in the minor leagues, and I spend as

1041
00:53:03,638 --> 00:53:07,198
Speaker 2: much i'm in the minor leagues with the different mentors

1042
00:53:07,198 --> 00:53:09,758
Speaker 2: that I had, and I consider and I could just

1043
00:53:10,558 --> 00:53:12,638
Speaker 2: run through the eighties a decade of the eighties. I

1044
00:53:12,638 --> 00:53:16,158
Speaker 2: consider myself a millennial coach and manager because that's when

1045
00:53:16,158 --> 00:53:18,878
Speaker 2: I really learned baseball was in the eighties, because of

1046
00:53:18,958 --> 00:53:23,518
Speaker 2: Marcel Latchman and Bob Clear and Johnny McNamara and Larry

1047
00:53:23,598 --> 00:53:28,118
Speaker 2: Hymes and Joe Coleman and Rick Down and Cookie Rojas

1048
00:53:28,158 --> 00:53:31,038
Speaker 2: and these and weren't spawn. These are my guys, These

1049
00:53:31,038 --> 00:53:32,798
Speaker 2: are my mentors. This is what I learned from. This

1050
00:53:32,878 --> 00:53:35,518
Speaker 2: is who I learned from. The young managers today and

1051
00:53:35,558 --> 00:53:39,438
Speaker 2: the minor leagues cannot even for a second list anything

1052
00:53:39,638 --> 00:53:43,438
Speaker 2: like that were little tidbits, throw the ball at second

1053
00:53:43,438 --> 00:53:48,878
Speaker 2: base whatever, Bob Claar. You don't clone, you know you're

1054
00:53:48,918 --> 00:53:52,598
Speaker 2: cloning these guys. Make sure you treat them all individually,

1055
00:53:53,158 --> 00:53:58,118
Speaker 2: Bob Aloo all Joe Coleman. When you don't have your

1056
00:53:58,158 --> 00:54:01,678
Speaker 2: best stuff, don't try to manufacture it. Just pitch with

1057
00:54:01,758 --> 00:54:04,958
Speaker 2: what you have, Joe Coleman. These are the kind of

1058
00:54:04,958 --> 00:54:07,678
Speaker 2: little thoughts that I had, and I've utilized with different

1059
00:54:07,678 --> 00:54:09,798
Speaker 2: players throughout my time that I picked up from these

1060
00:54:09,838 --> 00:54:14,598
Speaker 2: guys in the eighties. Primarily the guys today, guys being

1061
00:54:14,598 --> 00:54:16,998
Speaker 2: young managers and coaches in the minor leagues do not

1062
00:54:17,078 --> 00:54:20,918
Speaker 2: have the benefit of all of these people running around

1063
00:54:21,398 --> 00:54:25,638
Speaker 2: and giving them this kind of advice, which turns into wisdom,

1064
00:54:25,998 --> 00:54:28,958
Speaker 2: begins as knowledge turns into wisdom, and then eventually you

1065
00:54:28,958 --> 00:54:31,958
Speaker 2: get somebody that could actually think on their feet. You know,

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00:54:32,518 --> 00:54:34,718
Speaker 2: situation occurs and you can sit in your mind's eye

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00:54:34,998 --> 00:54:36,878
Speaker 2: and it happened before, How did I react to it?

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Speaker 2: How does it appear right now? And this all happens

1069
00:54:39,078 --> 00:54:43,198
Speaker 2: in a nanosecond based on your past. That's where I

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00:54:43,238 --> 00:54:46,398
Speaker 2: think we're really missing the boat right now by not

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00:54:46,478 --> 00:54:50,958
Speaker 2: getting enough former players, managers' coaches, involved in the minor

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00:54:51,038 --> 00:54:54,198
Speaker 2: league system and letting this minor league system nurture and

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00:54:54,278 --> 00:55:00,238
Speaker 2: really turn out baseball players. God, and not only that's

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00:55:00,278 --> 00:55:01,718
Speaker 2: just the volume of them. I mean the fact that

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00:55:01,718 --> 00:55:05,478
Speaker 2: we've devolved in regards to number of minor league team cities,

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00:55:05,518 --> 00:55:08,478
Speaker 2: fan bases, whatever, that's all of that stuff makes zero

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00:55:08,558 --> 00:55:12,078
Speaker 2: sense to me whatsoever. You're trying to attract new fans

1078
00:55:12,118 --> 00:55:15,158
Speaker 2: of the game and keep people interested and engaged, to

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00:55:15,278 --> 00:55:20,038
Speaker 2: actually subtract from as supposed to augment the way we

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00:55:20,118 --> 00:55:22,078
Speaker 2: have in the past. It still is the best I'm listening.

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00:55:22,078 --> 00:55:24,838
Speaker 2: This is not agism, and this is not something from

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00:55:24,838 --> 00:55:28,238
Speaker 2: the past that I'm acting like a plus fifty year old.

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00:55:28,318 --> 00:55:30,998
Speaker 2: Right now, we need all this stuff, and hopefully somebody

1084
00:55:31,358 --> 00:55:33,638
Speaker 2: realizes that and figures it out and we start getting

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00:55:33,638 --> 00:55:37,598
Speaker 2: people like Bo back involved, Larry Boa and people like that,

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00:55:38,038 --> 00:55:40,598
Speaker 2: George Hendrick. These are the guys to me that young

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00:55:40,638 --> 00:55:41,758
Speaker 2: players need to hear from.

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Speaker 1: Well, that perfectly brings us talking here about mentors and

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00:55:45,918 --> 00:55:49,078
Speaker 1: timeless advice to the end of this episode of the

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00:55:49,118 --> 00:55:52,438
Speaker 1: Book of Joe where Joe takes us out with words

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Speaker 1: of wisdom. So you've always come up with something that somehow,

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00:55:56,638 --> 00:56:00,238
Speaker 1: some way fits our topic. What do you got today, Joe?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was banging on this earlier this morning, and

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00:56:04,158 --> 00:56:06,718
Speaker 2: it's happened to me the other day. I had some

1095
00:56:06,758 --> 00:56:10,278
Speaker 2: difficult travel moments, but fought through and eventually I showed

1096
00:56:10,358 --> 00:56:12,558
Speaker 2: up at this event, and I felt really good that

1097
00:56:12,638 --> 00:56:15,318
Speaker 2: I kept my commitment, even though it was extremely inconvenient.

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00:56:16,878 --> 00:56:19,198
Speaker 2: But it's something I've always talked to myself about. So

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00:56:19,598 --> 00:56:22,078
Speaker 2: sometimes the bravest and most important thing you can do

1100
00:56:22,198 --> 00:56:25,078
Speaker 2: is just to show up. Just show up. I don't

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00:56:25,078 --> 00:56:27,678
Speaker 2: know that people realize that sometimes if you say you're

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00:56:27,678 --> 00:56:29,398
Speaker 2: going to be somewhere, you be somewhere. There's got to

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00:56:29,398 --> 00:56:34,198
Speaker 2: be really extenuating circumstances to back out or say no

1104
00:56:34,358 --> 00:56:37,078
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, and whereas plans have been made,

1105
00:56:37,118 --> 00:56:39,518
Speaker 2: people are counting on it, et cetera. And it happens

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00:56:39,518 --> 00:56:42,478
Speaker 2: in daily life. It happens with just our commitments on

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00:56:42,518 --> 00:56:47,078
Speaker 2: a daily basis to whomever. So my motivation was from

1108
00:56:47,078 --> 00:56:49,958
Speaker 2: my day the other day traveling to Dallas and back.

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00:56:50,438 --> 00:56:52,998
Speaker 2: But sometimes the bravest and most important thing you can

1110
00:56:53,038 --> 00:56:56,798
Speaker 2: do is to just show up, be there every day.

1111
00:56:56,998 --> 00:56:59,278
Speaker 2: As if you're not starting in that game, you'd be

1112
00:56:59,318 --> 00:57:02,718
Speaker 2: the best bench player in the world. If you're sitting

1113
00:57:02,718 --> 00:57:04,158
Speaker 2: on the bench as a coach, and I think you

1114
00:57:04,158 --> 00:57:06,758
Speaker 2: should have a higher position. And if you don't really

1115
00:57:06,798 --> 00:57:09,038
Speaker 2: apply yourself mainly to the job that you do have,

1116
00:57:10,078 --> 00:57:11,998
Speaker 2: you're going to suffer and the team's going to suffer

1117
00:57:12,038 --> 00:57:14,718
Speaker 2: for it. So please, when you're involved in something, when

1118
00:57:14,718 --> 00:57:16,958
Speaker 2: you've made a commitment, make sure that you just at

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00:57:17,078 --> 00:57:18,958
Speaker 2: least show up. It's very important.

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Speaker 1: I love that, Joe. But can I add two words

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00:57:21,678 --> 00:57:26,118
Speaker 1: to that sure on time. Yes, do not tell me

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00:57:26,198 --> 00:57:29,198
Speaker 1: that your time is more valuable than mine, because that's

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00:57:29,198 --> 00:57:33,518
Speaker 1: what you're telling me if you're continually showing up late. Listen,

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00:57:33,558 --> 00:57:35,998
Speaker 1: we all know things happen, and especially for those of

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00:57:36,118 --> 00:57:40,358
Speaker 1: us who go in and out of airports. God, but

1126
00:57:41,518 --> 00:57:44,998
Speaker 1: don't think your time is more valuable than anybody else's.

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00:57:45,078 --> 00:57:47,878
Speaker 1: So it's a great advice. What you said, reliability is

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00:57:48,958 --> 00:57:51,878
Speaker 1: it's a valued skill. It is be someone who's reliable.

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00:57:52,078 --> 00:57:55,038
Speaker 1: And part of that is, as you said, showing up.

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Speaker 2: Just show up, baby. If you said you're going to

1131
00:57:57,038 --> 00:57:57,718
Speaker 2: be there, be there.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's fun, Joe. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: In the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 2: Nice job, Tommy, Thank you.

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