Speaker 1: Hmm, we're back. I'm Robert Evans. This was another terrible introduction.
Speaker 1: Sophie is ashamed. Dan looks ashamed. He's not making my
Speaker 1: eyes over the internet here now he is, but only
Speaker 1: because I brought it up. Uh. I'm Robert Evans, is
Speaker 1: behind the Bastards podcast. Bad people talk about him. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is part two of our episode on Jeffrey Epstein. Uh.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to this if you haven't listened to part one,
Speaker 1: because it will not make as much sense as it should. Daniel,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Literally minutes after we finished the
Speaker 1: first episode, I'm doing well. I'm learning a thing that
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was true. I thought anytime you
Speaker 1: did these like two or three part episodes, that you
Speaker 1: would break when I, the listener would break. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you and Jamie Loftus talked about Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: for Yeah. It was it was too much talking about Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: there's never any break. The reason we do it this
Speaker 1: way is because some amount of deceit to the audience
Speaker 1: is always necessary. You understand, this, being a TV, you
Speaker 1: have to lie to Uh. So this is the lie
Speaker 1: we've chosen. Um, and it's a beautiful lie, I also
Speaker 1: wear a hairpiece. But anyway, Uh, let's let'st but not
Speaker 1: on my head back. It's like I've got a triple
Speaker 1: latched onto my spine. Yes, that was a that was a.
Speaker 1: That was a good joke. Okay, let's talk about Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein some more now. Uh. Yeah, so we were already
Speaker 1: acquainted with Jeffrey Epstein's illicit child pimping business. Um, so
Speaker 1: let's take a minute at the start of this episode
Speaker 1: to talk about his big, stupid house. Now, most of
Speaker 1: the early positive articles you'll read about Jeffrey Epstein spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about his mansion in New
Speaker 1: York City where you are, Dan Woo woo. Now, I
Speaker 1: should note that he does not just own a mansion
Speaker 1: in New York City. He owns the mansion in New
Speaker 1: York City. Epstein's residence is the largest private home in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: It has a fifteen foot high oak door, nine floors,
Speaker 1: and takes up an entire city block. Seventy one Street
Speaker 1: between Fifth and Madison is all Epstein's home. Uh. If
Speaker 1: you're curious, here's how Vicky Ward, a Vanity Fair, described
Speaker 1: being inside of Epstein's manner. Quote amid the flurry of
Speaker 1: men's servants attired in sober black suits and pristine white gloves,
Speaker 1: you feel you have stumbled into someone's private zanado. This
Speaker 1: is no mere rich person's home, but a high walled, eclectic,
Speaker 1: imperious fantasy that seems to have no boundaries. The entrance
Speaker 1: hall is decorated not with paintings, but with row upon
Speaker 1: row of individually framed eyeballs. These, the owner tells people
Speaker 1: with relish, were imported from England, where they were made
Speaker 1: for injured soldiers. Next comes a marble foyer, which does
Speaker 1: have a painting in the manner of Jean du Buffet.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the hell that is but the Coast,
Speaker 1: but the host coyly refuses to tell visitors who painted it.
Speaker 1: In any case, guests are like pygmies. Next to the
Speaker 1: nearly twice life size sculpture of a naked African warrior,
Speaker 1: he tells people he off the house because he knew
Speaker 1: he could never live anywhere bigger. He thinks square feet
Speaker 1: is an appropriately large space for someone like himself, who
Speaker 1: deals mostly in large concepts, especially large sums of money.
Speaker 1: So that's Jeff Epstein's house in Manhattan. Evans. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you to do something that you might
Speaker 1: not like to do. But you're the only person I
Speaker 1: know that I can ask to do this. If I
Speaker 1: ever make a billion dollars, just fucking kill me. Don't
Speaker 1: let me turn into one of these people. I'm worried
Speaker 1: that it's that it's it's going to happen. So if
Speaker 1: I ever become like crazy rich, don't assume that I'm
Speaker 1: going to be good. But soon they're going to catch
Speaker 1: whatever disease these these mutants have and and uh, kill
Speaker 1: me in an environmentally conscious way. Yeah, yeah, that will
Speaker 1: that and and we'll we'll have this podcast as evidence
Speaker 1: on the trial. Uh. And I am inefinitely brought to
Speaker 1: trial for murder. Oh heavens. You fool to assume that
Speaker 1: in the future there will still be trial and laws. No,
Speaker 1: I'll just wind up like bicycle jousting with your next
Speaker 1: of kin around the water now. Uh. Jeffrey Epstein's big
Speaker 1: stupid mansion has a gigantic, leather lined room dedicated entirely
Speaker 1: to drinking tea. If you want to make somebody start
Speaker 1: embracing the tenants of socialism, you might point out that
Speaker 1: there are twenty three thousand homeless children in New York City,
Speaker 1: and the child pimp to the stars has a dedicated
Speaker 1: room just for tea. Just let that rattle around in
Speaker 1: your head a little bit when you think about where
Speaker 1: the top marginal income tax rate should be. We can't
Speaker 1: just say, like, look, this is what they do when
Speaker 1: we give them too much money. Yeah, it's very embarrassed.
Speaker 1: It's very very right. And that I I gotta give
Speaker 1: credit to Vicky, the author of that Vanity Fair article,
Speaker 1: because that was published at a time before many dark
Speaker 1: details were known about Epstein, and she was like the
Speaker 1: first person to really dig into him in a critical way.
Speaker 1: She definitely hinted at some very bad stuff and did
Speaker 1: a better job of anyone else of shining a spotlight
Speaker 1: on the darker parts of his career. And her article
Speaker 1: is kind of a masterclass in journalistic shade throwing. You
Speaker 1: can tell that she really dislikes this guy as she
Speaker 1: describes his giant house and all of his fancy things.
Speaker 1: Um well, she includes it keeps a pretty fair neutral
Speaker 1: tone throughout. She includes ample quotes from her subject that
Speaker 1: present a more damning indictment of his person than any
Speaker 1: polemic ever could. At one point, he shows her his
Speaker 1: giant living room rug, which he describes as quote the
Speaker 1: largest Persian rug you will ever see in a private home.
Speaker 1: So big it must have come from a mosque. Crags
Speaker 1: my carpet so big we stole it from someone else's
Speaker 1: religious building. Jesus, guy it I shouldn't be surprised, but
Speaker 1: like you could ask a simple question. I guess you
Speaker 1: didn't even ask a questions about the rug, you know.
Speaker 1: He just He's like, I bet I can take this
Speaker 1: from normal to awful in seconds. It's not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna break a sweat. How much cultural appropriation can
Speaker 1: I include? Uh? Now? In the article, Vicki notes that
Speaker 1: most of Epstein's decor has been picked out by a
Speaker 1: famous French decorator, a guy who worked for prime ministers
Speaker 1: and royalty around the world, and then she notes that
Speaker 1: among all this finery quote, there is one particularly startling oddity,
Speaker 1: A stuffed black poodle standing atop the grand piano. No
Speaker 1: decorator would ever tell you to do that, Epstein brags
Speaker 1: to visitors. But I want people to think of what
Speaker 1: it means to stuff a dog. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means I don't. I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means. Now, Vicky suggests, Yeah, there is one particularly
Speaker 1: startling oddity, a stuffed black poodle standing atop the grand piano.
Speaker 1: No decorator, whatever, tell you to do that. Epstein brags
Speaker 1: to visitors. But I want people to think what it
Speaker 1: means to stuff a dog. I want people to think
Speaker 1: what it means to stuff dog? What does it mean
Speaker 1: stuff a dog? Let's let's together, let's honor his wishes
Speaker 1: and think about that. Think what it means to stuff
Speaker 1: a dog. It means you had a dog. Yep. It
Speaker 1: means the dog is dead. It means you had stuffing
Speaker 1: around or called a guy. It means you remove the
Speaker 1: stuff that was inside the dog and replace it with
Speaker 1: the stuffing, and then you sewed up the dog so
Speaker 1: people didn't so people couldn't see it anymore that it
Speaker 1: was sewed up, and then you put it on a
Speaker 1: piano because your parents made you take the analysts. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've thought about what it means the stuff a dog,
Speaker 1: and I'm no closer to anybod. I feel like I
Speaker 1: did the thing that he wants people to do. Like.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make me feel like I didn't come away
Speaker 1: with that thinking like, oh man, he's powerful, he's smart, handsome.
Speaker 1: I just thought like, okay, I did. It's like, when
Speaker 1: I think about what it means stuff a dog, I
Speaker 1: think of a very workmen like process. What it means
Speaker 1: you gotta remove some guts, you gotta put some stuff in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gloves are probably involved. You needn't. You don't understand like
Speaker 1: embalming and sewing and proper disposal of dog guts a
Speaker 1: lot of salt. I've thought about it. Jet It sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks for what it's worth. Vicky Wards says that
Speaker 1: she thinks it's Epstein's way of saying he always gets
Speaker 1: the last word. I don't know why she thinks that,
Speaker 1: but I'm she spent a lot of time with him,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna guess she's privy to some details were not.
Speaker 1: I really don't understand it. No, I don't understand like
Speaker 1: the way he says it makes people think what it means,
Speaker 1: the stuff a dog. It's I feel like I understand
Speaker 1: that he's trying to conjure up some kind of mic
Speaker 1: drop moment, as if like, yeah, if you walk into
Speaker 1: my apartment and saw that I had Willy mammoth tusk
Speaker 1: mounted on a wall somewhere. That's a flex. I understand
Speaker 1: that being a flex because that means I either found
Speaker 1: a Willy manneth, killed it and put its tusk on
Speaker 1: my wall, broke into a museum, stole a tusk, or
Speaker 1: had enough money to buy a tusk. Those are three
Speaker 1: lexes that I understand right as like a power move
Speaker 1: to show someone a stuffed dog on a piano is
Speaker 1: not one of those flexes. It is not. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. I don't either. Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: it's just a way to make people feel Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it just keeps it confuses people. And that
Speaker 1: was Jeffrey's goal. Yeah, I yeah, mission mission accomplished. Your
Speaker 1: Cony Island sex Monster Cony. That's another good title for
Speaker 1: the episode, Coney Island sex monster. Okay. Now. Back in
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, after Epstein's rampant pedophilick pimping was common
Speaker 1: knowledge and after he'd been out of prison for several years,
Speaker 1: Vicky Ward published another article about the man, this one
Speaker 1: for The Daily Beast. Its title was I tried to
Speaker 1: warn you about sleazy billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and three. Now Ward was more explicit and less guarded
Speaker 1: in this article, stating outright that Epstein's claims of having
Speaker 1: made his fortune by managing the well of multiple billionaires
Speaker 1: was quote a story that no one I spoke to believed. Now,
Speaker 1: back in two thousand three, she'd spoken to Hoffenberg, his
Speaker 1: former partner in that Ponzi scheme. Hoffenberg had made some
Speaker 1: allegations about Epstein, but she hadn't really been able to
Speaker 1: go off on those alone, because you know, he was
Speaker 1: a felon in prison for fraud, and Jeffrey Epstein was
Speaker 1: a rich billionaire. You can't just like accuse billionaires of
Speaker 1: committing fraud off of the word of a guy who's
Speaker 1: in prison for fraud. Uh, you gotta have more info
Speaker 1: than that. Okay, just let me know when we reached
Speaker 1: the era where I can accuse billionaires of fraud from
Speaker 1: an uninformed, gut instinct level. That is the now when
Speaker 1: the economy collapses, And that's not a good era either.
Speaker 1: So she had done some digging this time and found
Speaker 1: proof that Epstein had been chased out of bear Stearns
Speaker 1: for committing a violation, which is why we knew that
Speaker 1: in the first place. She had brought this to Epstein
Speaker 1: and outed that he seemed almost concerned about the allegations
Speaker 1: of financial irregularities and crimes. This had baffled her. She'd
Speaker 1: been surprised that he'd brushed off these allegations um and
Speaker 1: in fact, Epstein had mainly brushed them off so that
Speaker 1: he could repeatedly ask her, what do you have on
Speaker 1: the girls now? According to ward Quote, what I had
Speaker 1: on the girls were some remarkably brave first person accounts.
Speaker 1: Three on the record stories from a family, a mother
Speaker 1: and her daughters who came from Phoenix. The oldest daughter,
Speaker 1: an artist whose character was vouchsafed to me by several sources,
Speaker 1: including the artist Eric Fischel, had told me, weeping as
Speaker 1: she sat in my living room, of how Epstein had
Speaker 1: attempted to seduce both her and separately, her younger sister
Speaker 1: than only sixteen. He'd gotten to them because of his money.
Speaker 1: He'd promised the older sister patronage of her artwork. He'd
Speaker 1: promised the younger funding for a trip abroad that would
Speaker 1: give her work experience she needed on her resume for
Speaker 1: a place at an Ivy League university, which she desperately wanted, so.
Speaker 1: The girl's mom had figured that they'd be safe at
Speaker 1: Epstein's home. After all, he'd flown around with Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: funded tens of millions of dollars in critical scientific research,
Speaker 1: most of his friends were physicists. Plus she knew Gill
Speaker 1: Say Maxwell would be there the whole time. The mother
Speaker 1: later told Ward quote, at the time, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go to after him, I mean physically, mentally, you know,
Speaker 1: in every way, shape and form. And the advice I
Speaker 1: was given was, you know, he is so wealthy. He
Speaker 1: can fight you, he can make you look ridiculous, he
Speaker 1: can make your daughters look ridiculous. Plus he can hurt them.
Speaker 1: And that was the thing that frightened me, was that
Speaker 1: he would know where they lived and could possibly just
Speaker 1: send somebody when they walk the dog at night or
Speaker 1: something around the corner and we'd never hear from them again. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot there, But uh, most of his friends
Speaker 1: aren't physicists. Is kind of a new in stageul defense
Speaker 1: of a person. He seems nice. Most of his friends
Speaker 1: are physicists. Like, I'm not saying that, like it's it's
Speaker 1: one of the assumed golf physicists are bad. I definitely
Speaker 1: didn't assume they were all good, though. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it just seems like an innocuous thing. It's one
Speaker 1: thing if it's like, oh, my teenage daughter is going
Speaker 1: to be hanging out with uh fucking Jeremy Piven, which
Speaker 1: you know is immediately shady. It's another thing to be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this guy is like a billionaire who funds scientific research
Speaker 1: and pals around with Stephen Hawking and the like, like
Speaker 1: that seems like he's probably an upright citizen, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem shady, like I can see how. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's one thing, you know, you can throw some judgment
Speaker 1: on the parents who let their kids hang out with
Speaker 1: R Kelly when they were fifteen, and it's like there's
Speaker 1: been allegations about R Kelly for a long time. You know.
Speaker 1: In two thousand two, nobody was saying anything about Epstein
Speaker 1: but that he'd given twenty million dollars in Harvard for
Speaker 1: math research. Like that's it doesn't sound like stereotypical sexual abuser,
Speaker 1: although now it does because Jeffrey Epstein Pimp to the Stars. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Ward brought the allegations that these young women had
Speaker 1: made to Epstein, and he denied them to her face, saying, quote,
Speaker 1: just the mention of a sixteen year old girl carries
Speaker 1: the wrong impression. I don't see what it adds to
Speaker 1: the piece, and that makes me unhappy. Now, after she
Speaker 1: brought this up to Epstein, he repeatedly called her and
Speaker 1: Graydon Carter, the editor at Vanity Fair. Epstein took extreme
Speaker 1: measures to discredit the witnesses, reportedly mailing forged letters from
Speaker 1: them to Vanity Fair. At one point, Epstein made it
Speaker 1: somehow made it past building security and into Vanity Fairs offices.
Speaker 1: It's unclear exactly what threats he made or didn't make,
Speaker 1: but Graydon Carter made the call to pull the women's
Speaker 1: allegations from the article. It came down to my sources
Speaker 1: words against Epstein's and at the time great and believed Epstein,
Speaker 1: and my notebook I have him saying I believe him.
Speaker 1: I'm Canadian. I don't know what the hell Canada has
Speaker 1: to do with it. Is that like a throwing Canada
Speaker 1: under the bus moment of like I believed him because
Speaker 1: we are this is this is before it was like
Speaker 1: the before the he was charged with cars. I'm I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a sweet that yeah, yeah that that vanity fair
Speaker 1: article includes no allegations of sex crimes. She had two
Speaker 1: witnesses going on record saying Epstein tried to seduce them
Speaker 1: when they were underage, but her editor talked to Epstein
Speaker 1: about the allegations against him and made the decision to
Speaker 1: pull those allegations because he trusted Epstein. Okay, not a
Speaker 1: great thing. It's because he's Canadians are trustworthy, classic not
Speaker 1: believing child sex abuse victims. I mean it just it's
Speaker 1: an easier to assemble puzzle than stuff poodle. That it
Speaker 1: is that it is very fair. Now Ward claims that
Speaker 1: during this time when she was writing the article, she
Speaker 1: became terrified of Jeffrey Epstein and what he might do
Speaker 1: to her. She says she was frightened enough that had
Speaker 1: probably had some impact on the children that she was
Speaker 1: pregnant with at the time. Both of her babies were
Speaker 1: born premature um Epstein. Yeah. Epstein had asked her where
Speaker 1: her babies were going to be born, and she knew
Speaker 1: that he had deep connections in the medical community, so
Speaker 1: she paid for security guards to watch her babies where
Speaker 1: they were in the n I C. U. Her two
Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen article ends with this line quote when
Speaker 1: they've been released home. Some months later, I went out
Speaker 1: to my first party. There was Jeffrey Epstein sucking a lollipop. Vicky.
Speaker 1: He said, you look so pretty. Epstein. Yeah, it's we
Speaker 1: have a couple of different types of bastards. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, putting the cuffs on. When you say he
Speaker 1: saw him at a party. Second a lollipop, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: this gout's done some ship. This guy is a pedophile.
Speaker 1: Woke up from a thirty year coma, walked into a
Speaker 1: party and I saw this forty two year old billionaire.
Speaker 1: Second a lollipop. Put him in the chain, put him
Speaker 1: out of here, put him in prison. We'll try him later.
Speaker 1: Something's big broken here. We do like, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of different kinds of bastards. We get there's the guys
Speaker 1: like l Ron Hubbard, who, like, in an objective way, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably did more evil in the world than Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: has if you look at all of the consequences of
Speaker 1: his actions, but you can't help it. Kind of like
Speaker 1: the guy when you read about him enough because his
Speaker 1: evil is just so like cookie and weird and eccentric,
Speaker 1: and he's like getting people to look for gold on
Speaker 1: boats in the ocean and stuff that's fun. Epstein like,
Speaker 1: there's no fun in him. He's just it's like Cosby,
Speaker 1: it's just horrible. It's just a bad guy with no
Speaker 1: conscience and is there. I mean not to make you
Speaker 1: play armchair psychiatrist psychologists or anything like that, but that's
Speaker 1: basically nothing about what you said about his upbringing made
Speaker 1: it seem like the seeds of evil were playing there,
Speaker 1: like like you brought up no trauma. You say, like
Speaker 1: Coney Island was rough, but he also had parents that
Speaker 1: were spending a lot of money to give him a
Speaker 1: good education. So I'm not that I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: good in him. I'm trying to find uh an inception point,
Speaker 1: because the alternative to it would trauma that caused this
Speaker 1: moral lapse, not moral laps, moral implosion in this person.
Speaker 1: The alternative to that is he was born soulless and evil,
Speaker 1: which is the thing that I I know, I don't
Speaker 1: really believe in. I don't think he thinks like I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a mustache twirling villain. I don't think
Speaker 1: he viewsed these girls. These girls are obviously victims. I
Speaker 1: want to be clear about that. I don't think he
Speaker 1: views them that way. I think he probably felt bad
Speaker 1: when he penetrated that teenager with his penis and she
Speaker 1: said no, um, which is why he gave her a
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Now, obviously that doesn't doesn't come close to
Speaker 1: making it right. But I think he viewed most of
Speaker 1: these is like, well, these girls are getting money out
Speaker 1: of this, and they're getting connections, and I'm not forcing
Speaker 1: myself on them. They're coming into my room and providing
Speaker 1: this service. It's fine. I'm so smart and evolved in
Speaker 1: our Society's attitudes on when young girls should have sex
Speaker 1: with fifty eight year old men are behind the times.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's Epstein's justification that there's no
Speaker 1: reason that I shouldn't have sex with a twelve year
Speaker 1: old as long as I'm not violently forcing it on her.
Speaker 1: This is a question that I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have the answer to or or you're gonn answer, well
Speaker 1: what it will do to me? But does he have children? Epstein?
Speaker 1: Do you ever end up having children? Not even like
Speaker 1: like like, I don't think so. He's probably had children
Speaker 1: and and covered it up. But like children that are
Speaker 1: that that he claims was his own and had any
Speaker 1: kind of part in raising. I didn't run into any
Speaker 1: story of that. I don't think he's been married. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was kind of famous in the art ladies. Like
Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation that Gil say in
Speaker 1: maxwell Um that British socialite was like his lover and stuff,
Speaker 1: and it turned out she was just you know, helping
Speaker 1: him run his pimping empire, pimpire. Uh sure, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I I think he was just like he had this
Speaker 1: image of like being kind of this like rich bachelor,
Speaker 1: like Bruce Wayne type character. Yeah, that's what everyone think. So,
Speaker 1: but we have as that was good. Do you want
Speaker 1: to you want to try doing a product? Damn? Do
Speaker 1: I want to try to doing a products? You know catchphrase?
Speaker 1: Give me one? Yeah, products, that's it. Sophie's giving me
Speaker 1: a thumbs down. But I think you were great. You
Speaker 1: need to know that I'm shouting products alone in my apartment, Dan,
Speaker 1: I do that every single night of my life. Products
Speaker 1: we're back. Those services also good. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: think enough about the services, but without services, products are
Speaker 1: just half produced. Yeah, I mean like anyone could buy,
Speaker 1: uh belt or a nice really hitting on the belt.
Speaker 1: Also the services of that, like therapy that you talked
Speaker 1: to on your phone or whatever. We have not gotten money.
Speaker 1: You haven't. No, they don't don't advertise on our show.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We did have Air Emirates advertising our
Speaker 1: show once and people got very angry for me because
Speaker 1: I just got and finished talking about the death squads
Speaker 1: that Erik Prince operates for the Emmirates. We don't like,
Speaker 1: we don't. It's just randomly slotted ads a lot of
Speaker 1: the time if I don't read them. Uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's tough because as we're recording this, I have insider
Speaker 1: information that all of your ads are Jeffrey Epstein speaking tours.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's the only guy who bought any
Speaker 1: add time on this episode. He's giving me a lot
Speaker 1: of money, and he actually demanded this episode. A weird guy.
Speaker 1: He gave me a stell story. Robert. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to do with the poodle, but I've
Speaker 1: got you thought about it. I think about it every day. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: roughly two years after Vicky Reward wrote her first article
Speaker 1: in Vanity fair uh and you know, had her premature babies.
Speaker 1: Investigators in Palm Beach started talking to young women they
Speaker 1: believed might have been abused by Jeffrey Epstein. This was
Speaker 1: two thousand five. They started pulling his trash and they
Speaker 1: found scraps of paper with phone numbers in the names
Speaker 1: of several young girls on them. Next, they talked to
Speaker 1: Epstein's butler and eventually gathered enough evidence to charge him
Speaker 1: and two of his assistants with unlawful sex acts with
Speaker 1: a minor. This led to a larger FBI investigation, which
Speaker 1: identified some forty suspected victims, and forty is just sort
Speaker 1: of where they stopped. It was clear from the details
Speaker 1: of the case that many, many, many, many, many more
Speaker 1: girls have been victimized by Jeffrey Epstein over the years,
Speaker 1: and across the country, probably hundreds of them, maybe more
Speaker 1: than hundreds of them. The two cops most responsible for
Speaker 1: bringing Epstein down were Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Writer
Speaker 1: and Detective Joseph Riccari. They conducted their investigation in the
Speaker 1: face of overwhelming resistance both from state level elected officials,
Speaker 1: fellow law enforcement officers, and Jeffrey Epstein's formidable legal machine,
Speaker 1: and I do want to like, I'm not normally you
Speaker 1: know me, Dan, I'm not normally one for the law
Speaker 1: enforcement side of things, but these guys are legitimate heroes.
Speaker 1: In my book. It was one of those things where
Speaker 1: like they saw something was fucked up and realized that
Speaker 1: it was going to be a nightmare for them to
Speaker 1: go after this guy, and they did it anywhere because
Speaker 1: he was abusing dozens of young girls and that's not cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. According to the Miami Herald Quote, police
Speaker 1: reports showed that Epstein's private investigators attempted to conduct interviews
Speaker 1: while posing as cops, that they picked through writer's trash
Speaker 1: in search of dirt to discredit him, and that the
Speaker 1: private investigators were accused of following the girls and their families.
Speaker 1: In one case, the father of one girl claimed he
Speaker 1: had been run off the road by a private investigator.
Speaker 1: Police and court reports show who now Epstein hired a
Speaker 1: legal dream team in order to defend him from these
Speaker 1: allegations of sexual trafficking. This dream team included Alan Dershowitz,
Speaker 1: noted celebrity lawyer of Mike Tyson, Patty Hurst, and O. J. Simpson.
Speaker 1: It also included Kenneth Starr, a man whose investigation of
Speaker 1: a minor land deal had spiraled into an investigation into
Speaker 1: President Clinton's relationship with an intern. Now that he defended
Speaker 1: morality in a battle against the Clinton machine, Starr went
Speaker 1: to work defending one of Bill Clinton's good friends from
Speaker 1: charges of serial child molestation. Consistency is important now, as
Speaker 1: we all know, in any case where a bunch of
Speaker 1: young teenage girls are accusing a man of means of
Speaker 1: rampant sexual assault and trafficking, step one of any competent
Speaker 1: legal defense is going to be to dig into those
Speaker 1: girls lives and destroy them in front of a judge.
Speaker 1: Epstein's team of super good human beings got right to
Speaker 1: work doing this. First, Alan Dershowitz met with Detective Raccari
Speaker 1: and shared with him the results of an investigation Epstein
Speaker 1: had paid for, which revealed one of the girls to
Speaker 1: be quote an accomplished drama student. In other words, Derschwitz
Speaker 1: is saying she's a liar. According to a letter that
Speaker 1: Derschwitz wrote, the detective quote, our investigation has discovered at
Speaker 1: least one of her websites, and I am inclosing some examples.
Speaker 1: The site goes onto detail, including photos her apparent fascination
Speaker 1: with marijuana. Oh oh yeah. In interviews with the Miami Herald,
Speaker 1: Riccari further recalled quote his attorney showed us on my
Speaker 1: SPAE page where one of the girls was holding a
Speaker 1: beer in her hand, and they said, oh, look, she
Speaker 1: is underage drinking. Well, tell me what teenager doesn't Does
Speaker 1: that mean she isn't a victim because she drank a beer. Basically,
Speaker 1: what you're telling me is that the only victim of
Speaker 1: a sexual battery could be a nun. I like Detective Riccarry.
Speaker 1: Another Epstein victim, reported similar behavior from his lawyers, telling
Speaker 1: the Miami Herald quote his lawyers were just in my
Speaker 1: life inside and out. They asked if I had a baby,
Speaker 1: if I had an abortion, did you sleep with thirty
Speaker 1: different guys? Do you think that played a part? I said,
Speaker 1: you're going to come at me like that when you
Speaker 1: represent a guy who is doing this to hundreds of girls.
Speaker 1: How do you sleep at night? And I hate to
Speaker 1: say this, young woman, but all of Epstein's lawyers sleep
Speaker 1: at night on a pile of money, uh, hundreds of
Speaker 1: feetle I don't think I think it's pretty safe to
Speaker 1: say that Uh. Anyone who's ever been asked the question
Speaker 1: how do you sleep at night? I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: fair to say basically just fine. Yeah, if you're asking
Speaker 1: a person that question, if there's not like guilt and
Speaker 1: shame on their face, yeah, if they did the thing,
Speaker 1: then they already don't know why they should be ashamed
Speaker 1: of it. It's it's I mean, I have trouble sleeping
Speaker 1: at night because these people exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the rest of us have trouble sleeping at night, not
Speaker 1: the sociopaths who exist in the orbit of helping these
Speaker 1: these people not get charged for You got rich by
Speaker 1: ruining people's lives. How did you sleep at night? Easily? Comfortably, really,
Speaker 1: no problems. You guys don't know how good bed technology
Speaker 1: has gotten. If you're you got your beds out of
Speaker 1: a box. My bed was forged in the Himalayan mountains.
Speaker 1: It's yeah. I had like a bed bed guy come
Speaker 1: and measure me and then make a bed around my body.
Speaker 1: It's perfect. It's never had a better sleep. It's the
Speaker 1: only one of its kind. They actually burnt down the
Speaker 1: forest that made the fibers for the beds that no
Speaker 1: one else could ever have a mlar bed it cost
Speaker 1: a little bit extra, but it's worth it. So Palm
Speaker 1: Beach attorney Barry Kersher and state prosecutor Lana below Lavic
Speaker 1: seemed to have found themselves in a similar situation to
Speaker 1: Vanity Fairs editor. As the case progressed, Epstein's attorneys made
Speaker 1: the kind of quiet, technically legal threats that lawyers know
Speaker 1: how to make, and so the prosecutor and state attorney
Speaker 1: stopped picking up the phone for Detective Raccari and police
Speaker 1: chief Writer that allayed approving subpoenas for the case. Writer
Speaker 1: later recalled quote. Early on, it became clear that things
Speaker 1: had changed from Cursher saying we'll put this guy away
Speaker 1: for life to these are all the reasons why we
Speaker 1: aren't going to prosecute this. There was evidence of shady
Speaker 1: donations made by Epstein to the police department after the
Speaker 1: beginning of the investigation. Writer returned at least one of
Speaker 1: these donations, but it's entirely possible that more money changed hands.
Speaker 1: Some of Epstein's victims later recalled him bragging that he
Speaker 1: owned the Palm Beach Police department. Both the police chief, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's called a humble now, both the police chief and
Speaker 1: the detective became convinced their trash was being sorted through
Speaker 1: and that they were being followed through about the day
Speaker 1: by private eyes. When they finally got to raid Epstein's
Speaker 1: mansion on October two, five, it looked as if he'd
Speaker 1: been tipped off. Most of his hard drives, surveillance cameras,
Speaker 1: and videos had been removed hastily. Still, they found a
Speaker 1: lot of damning material. According to the Miami Herald quote,
Speaker 1: they obtained dozens of message paged from his home that
Speaker 1: read like a who's who of famous people, including magician
Speaker 1: David Copperfield and Donald Trump, an indication of Epstein's vast
Speaker 1: circle of influential friends. There were also messages from girls,
Speaker 1: and their phone numbers matched those of many of the
Speaker 1: girls Riccari had interviewed. Riccary said they read Courtney called
Speaker 1: she can come at four or Tania can't come at
Speaker 1: seven pm tomorrow because she has soccer practice gross gross
Speaker 1: gross gross, on the same pieces of paper with Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's phone number. Regardless of the of the year. It
Speaker 1: feels like my my two friends Donald Trump and David
Speaker 1: Copperfield was never never reflex Yeah. They also found naked
Speaker 1: photographs of underage girls in Epstein's closet, which means the
Speaker 1: fact that they still found all this stuff after he'd
Speaker 1: been tipped off means that before Epstein had his house cleaned,
Speaker 1: there was so much child pornography and incriminating information that
Speaker 1: a billionaire's team of cleaners couldn't remove at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and checked the closet, they in his close I mean,
Speaker 1: I assumed that there were a lot more naked photographs
Speaker 1: and they just missed some because he had so many.
Speaker 1: That's what that that's got to be what that means
Speaker 1: can be like, look, you gave us a month. We
Speaker 1: your house is so huge. Yeah, we we got rid
Speaker 1: of so much illegal stuff from the main wing of it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, there's some so many it's a
Speaker 1: huge house, Jeff, Like, you have a lot of pictures
Speaker 1: of children. So the case dragged on through two thousand
Speaker 1: six and into two thousand seven. By October, the prosecution
Speaker 1: was in the hands of Alexander a Costa, the top
Speaker 1: federal prosecutor in Miami. He met with one of Epstein's lawyers,
Speaker 1: j Leftowitz, with whom a Costa had worked in the past.
Speaker 1: The two former co workers hammered out a deal for
Speaker 1: the final resolution of Epstein's case. This non prosecution agreement
Speaker 1: shut down the ongoing FBI probe into Epstein's crimes. It
Speaker 1: also guaranteed that the full nature of Epstein's crimes would
Speaker 1: be concealed from his victims. In other words, a coasta
Speaker 1: agreed to give Jeffrey Epstein a plea agreement that no
Speaker 1: one actually got to see or read, including his victims. Epstein,
Speaker 1: how long? Yeah, is that one of the types of
Speaker 1: legal things that one day will get revealed? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's a forever. Listeners at home, you can't tell this
Speaker 1: because this is again in the audio medium. But I
Speaker 1: am sad physically, yeah, very visibly sad. Sad with a
Speaker 1: dog in your lap, which is a hard hard to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just crest fallen while getting my my chin licked
Speaker 1: by my adorable puppy dog. It's Bill, he said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know, but he's sad. Now. Epstein did have
Speaker 1: to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court,
Speaker 1: but his four named accomplices received immunity from their federal charges.
Speaker 1: The deal also gave immunity to quote any potential co conspirators,
Speaker 1: meaning anyone else involved in Epstein's crimes who the government
Speaker 1: hadn't found out about yet was retroactively declared off the hook.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of agreement Jeffrey Epstein got thanks to
Speaker 1: Alexander A Costa. How what do you bet like? That's
Speaker 1: such a sweet deal. It's a great deal. What do
Speaker 1: you what do you think happened to the guy who
Speaker 1: gave him that great deal? Alexander A Costa. He's Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's Secretary of Labor. You didn't let me guess. I
Speaker 1: was going to say something good and wholesome. Oh. When
Speaker 1: questioned about his role in letting a criminal network of
Speaker 1: child molesters off the hook in exchange for giving one
Speaker 1: guy a slap on the wrist, a Coasta said quote
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Based on the evidence,
Speaker 1: professionals within a prosecutor's office decided that a plea that
Speaker 1: guarantees someone goes to jail, that guarantees he registered as
Speaker 1: a sex offender generally, and guarantees other outcomes is a
Speaker 1: good thing. How long did you go to jail? Four? Well,
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. You said you said he got okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said he got more than a year. Yeah, which sucks.
Speaker 1: Epstein was required to register as a sex offender and
Speaker 1: pay restitution to three dozen victims. He was also required
Speaker 1: to admit to committing only one offense against an underage girl,
Speaker 1: and that girl was labeled a prostitute in the official
Speaker 1: court documents, although she was fourteen at the time. Just
Speaker 1: so we're clear, there was no such thing as a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old prostitute. By law, any fourteen year old
Speaker 1: having sex with an adult is a rape victim. Any
Speaker 1: fourteen year old being sold for sex as a trafficking victim.
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as a fourteen year old
Speaker 1: prostitute unless you are as wealthy as Jeff Epstein. So
Speaker 1: the thirty six women he had to pay did get
Speaker 1: sizeable chunks of money, but only after enduring multiple years
Speaker 1: of having their lives torn apart by Epstein's army of
Speaker 1: private eyes and lawyers. Jenna Lissa Jones, who says Epstein
Speaker 1: molested her when she was fourteen, later recalled, you beat
Speaker 1: yourself up mentally and physically. You can't ever stop your thoughts.
Speaker 1: A word can trigger something for me. It is the
Speaker 1: word pure, because he called me pure in that room,
Speaker 1: and then I remember what he did to me in
Speaker 1: that room. Oh, you're leaving, you're leaving air there for
Speaker 1: me to make a joke. It seems more to have
Speaker 1: some kind of comment other than like, no, it's even
Speaker 1: vomiting or screaming. It's it's worse than that. It's it's
Speaker 1: ad plugged time. Oh my god, I know what a
Speaker 1: bad lied to lead into ads. Oh, this is why
Speaker 1: we have trouble. Dad. I hope you're happy to be
Speaker 1: associated with this. Uh whatever. It is the name of
Speaker 1: that company that the culture Kings used to buy shoes on.
Speaker 1: I forget they haven't advertised on me. They haven't. Oh
Speaker 1: well they won't. Now know, we should get like a
Speaker 1: like a guillotine manufacturer or or something like that on board.
Speaker 1: Those are now huh yeah, yeah, it's coming back, baby, Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: uh well, we'll talk about the exact nature of how
Speaker 1: much time Jeffrey Epstein did and what his time in
Speaker 1: jail not prison was like. But first product products, we're
Speaker 1: back now. Yeah, this is a this is a rough one. Dan.
Speaker 1: At the point at which that plea agreement was reached,
Speaker 1: Detective Raccari said that he and his team had identified
Speaker 1: about fifty victims, all of whom told nearly identical stories.
Speaker 1: The Miami Herald's investigation found more than eighty victims. In
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, Epstein's former butler, a guy named Rodriguez,
Speaker 1: tried to sell Epstein's Little Black Book to an undercover
Speaker 1: FBI agent pretending to be a lawyer. You know this
Speaker 1: is illegal. You can't do that. Uh. And he served
Speaker 1: some time in prison, more time than Epstein served for
Speaker 1: running a child rape ring. Fourteen months is what. And
Speaker 1: he did not go to prison. Epstein went to a jail,
Speaker 1: a private luxury jail, basically a country club with bars,
Speaker 1: the absolute minimum level of security and restriction possible for
Speaker 1: an incarcerated person. And he didn't even have to stay
Speaker 1: there all the time. He was allowed out on work
Speaker 1: release for up to twelve hours a day, six days
Speaker 1: a week, which he spent in his own off us,
Speaker 1: taking male and female visitors freely, with no oversight by
Speaker 1: the deputies who sat outside the reception room and waited
Speaker 1: for him to go home. Also doing he was having
Speaker 1: sex with people. Dan Also, he paid the salaries of
Speaker 1: those deputies while they were watching him. There's no conflict
Speaker 1: of interest there. Here's the Miami Herald again, In their
Speaker 1: early reports in July two, the deputies referred to Epstein
Speaker 1: as inmate, but within a few weeks the language had
Speaker 1: changed and he was called a client. He was occasionally
Speaker 1: allowed to take a break for lunch by sitting outside
Speaker 1: in a park, the record show, and they also gave
Speaker 1: him permission to scout for a new office while on
Speaker 1: work release. He was required to wear an ankle bracelet
Speaker 1: to monitor his whereabouts, So that's something now disagree. Epstein's
Speaker 1: work release was approved by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's
Speaker 1: Office because they say he met the criteria for their
Speaker 1: work release program and there was no actual basis to
Speaker 1: deny the program to him when any other inmate in
Speaker 1: his situation would have been eligible. However, an incredibly basic
Speaker 1: amount of digging, literally reading the department's work release policy,
Speaker 1: reveals that sex offenders are specifically ineligible for work release.
Speaker 1: When questioned about this, a department spokesperson first claimed that
Speaker 1: Epstein was not a sex offender at the time, and
Speaker 1: then clammed up and stopped responding when it was noted
Speaker 1: that he had been required to register as a sex offender. Also,
Speaker 1: it came out that Epstein was paying the officers who
Speaker 1: guarded him while he was out on work release. So
Speaker 1: that's good. That seems like justice. Now, I will say
Speaker 1: Dan Epstein's lifestyle certainly took a hit during his time
Speaker 1: in jail. A report by The Smoking Gun revealed that
Speaker 1: his purchases, from what his purchases were from the jail commissary,
Speaker 1: he spent most of his money on Taryaki meatsticks, pop tarts,
Speaker 1: and Little Chubb sausages, along with substantial quantities of Lubra
Speaker 1: derm and the finest leather shoes a jail store could provide. Uh,
Speaker 1: what are the finest leather shoes a jail store can provide?
Speaker 1: Haven't been to jail little while, and I don't really
Speaker 1: know how the market has shifted since they cost seventy
Speaker 1: two dollars, so I'm gonna assume it's a serious step
Speaker 1: down from Epstein's usual leather shoes. That's more than I
Speaker 1: typically spend on shoes, though, yeah, more than yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Now during his parole, uh yeah, he spent like a
Speaker 1: year on parole after he got out of jail, where
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be, you know, confined to staying
Speaker 1: in Florida. But every time he requested to travel outside
Speaker 1: of the state. His request were granted seemingly with no resistance.
Speaker 1: After his pearl. In the almost decades since it ended,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein has continued to enjoy a life of unbridled excess.
Speaker 1: He bought a new private jet. He switched his permanent
Speaker 1: residence to his island Little Saint jeff since New York
Speaker 1: and Florida required him to register as a sex offender.
Speaker 1: Whatever the truth behind Epstein's rise to wealth and power,
Speaker 1: it's clear that his financial resources are still seemingly inexhaustible.
Speaker 1: He's continued to donate to charities funding scientific research, and
Speaker 1: even starting an online TV network, NEUROTV, that focuses on
Speaker 1: interviews with great thinkers and scientists. His great and good
Speaker 1: friends seemed to have forgiven him his trespasses. Stephen Hawking
Speaker 1: visited his island two thousand six. In two thousand ten,
Speaker 1: his island or He hosted Katie Couric, George Stephanopolis, Chelsea Handler,
Speaker 1: and Woody Allen to a lavish dinner. Woody Allen, I
Speaker 1: get yeah, I get why Woody Allen didn't have any
Speaker 1: issues with this. Alan Dershowitz, who at age eight, seems
Speaker 1: to spend most of his free time defending the Trump
Speaker 1: administration on TV. Responds to questions about his representation of
Speaker 1: Epstein with lines like I plead guilty to making a
Speaker 1: deal that was favorable to my client. Kenneth Starr said,
Speaker 1: I was happy to respond to the needs of a
Speaker 1: client of the firm. When Daily Beast reporter Alexandra Wolfe
Speaker 1: questioned theoretical physicist and professor Lawrence Krauss about his friend
Speaker 1: and benefactor Jeff Epstein, Kraus said, quote, as a scientist,
Speaker 1: I always judge things on empirical evidence, and he always
Speaker 1: has women aged nineteen to twenty three around him. But
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything else normally. Yeah, that's a troubling
Speaker 1: quote about shaking the show up and like doing something
Speaker 1: that won't bump people out. Is that is that on
Speaker 1: your list? Is like a Christmas episode we did, We
Speaker 1: did that Christmas episode about Raoul Wallenberg, the guy who
Speaker 1: saved a hundred thousand Jewish people during the Holocaust and
Speaker 1: then got murdered by the Soviets. Okay, and that's your example,
Speaker 1: is like a thing that doesn't bump people out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's that's upbeat for us. Okay, sure. Oh. Now.
Speaker 1: Epstein has of course continued to fight his accusers in
Speaker 1: court over dozens of lawsuits across the last several years.
Speaker 1: He settled a civil case against him just last December.
Speaker 1: There is currently a pending suit in Florida that seeks
Speaker 1: to throw out the entire non prosecution agreement against him
Speaker 1: on the basis that it was illegal to make because
Speaker 1: dozens of Epstein's victims were never given the chance to
Speaker 1: know about it. So, Dan, I will end this on
Speaker 1: a little bit of an upside note. It is still
Speaker 1: possible that some version of justice will be done and
Speaker 1: that some of his named and potential co conspirators might
Speaker 1: finally have to spend time him in court. It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily likely that this will happen, but it is possible.
Speaker 1: That's the happiest, happiest ending I got for you, man.
Speaker 1: Unlikely but possible. Yeah, Eventually justice might get done. All right,
Speaker 1: that's that's a put that on au and then drive
Speaker 1: that car right off a cliff and and Dan, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is pretty bad. Alexander A. Costa was in line
Speaker 1: to become the new Attorney General and then people made
Speaker 1: a big fuss out of him letting this serial pedophile
Speaker 1: off and he had to just stay the secretary of Labor.
Speaker 1: That's a bummer for him and his family of goblins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and his family of goblins. I bet the health plan
Speaker 1: isn't as good as Secretary of Labor. Yeah. Yeah, Hey man,
Speaker 1: this sucks. This whole thing sucks that. This is a real, real,
Speaker 1: real soul crush. Here. Can you tell me what Jeffrey
Speaker 1: is doing right now? Uh? Spending most of his time
Speaker 1: on his private island, still probably having a lot of
Speaker 1: sex with very young people. Is he professionally, Like, does
Speaker 1: he run a consulting firm? Is he still doing Yeah,
Speaker 1: he still manages money. I suspect if he ever did
Speaker 1: much of that. Like, that's the thing I have to wonder,
Speaker 1: Like the conspiratorial side of me thinks, like, yeah, ship,
Speaker 1: maybe he was just pimping out kids and getting paid
Speaker 1: by rich people for that. I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: probably a mix. He probably did some financial stuff, but like, clearly,
Speaker 1: who knows what he's doing now other than being impossibly wealthy. Uh,
Speaker 1: in owning a house in Manhattan that could comfortably How's
Speaker 1: ten thousand at least of the three thousand homeless kids
Speaker 1: in the city I don't know, Dan WHOA You wanna
Speaker 1: plug your Twitter? No? I don't. I mean I maintained
Speaker 1: it pretty strict. I don't plug like Twitter Instagram, so
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like my least favorite part of
Speaker 1: podcast when I guess the end, it's like said, where
Speaker 1: can people find you online? I understand it's good for
Speaker 1: creators to everything, much like as a podcast listener, I
Speaker 1: hate it. UM. I will tell Children of the Night
Speaker 1: dot org is a great organization. I mentioned it in
Speaker 1: the last podcasts for children rescued from childhood prostitution. You
Speaker 1: should support them in anyway you can. Um, I will
Speaker 1: plug a thing that I was associated with, just because
Speaker 1: there are other people who work there that aren't just me,
Speaker 1: so it feels less selfish. I read for a show
Speaker 1: called Last Week's Night. It requires a lot of work
Speaker 1: from a lot of people. Were an amazing staff of writers, researchers, producers,
Speaker 1: footage people, directors, and they all worked very hard, spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time reading about horrible issues, same way
Speaker 1: that Evans does, and then at the end of the
Speaker 1: week we try to present that work to you in
Speaker 1: a thirty minute occasionally funny, attempting to be funny, but
Speaker 1: always trying to be informative format. Uh, lessons and jokes,
Speaker 1: you know. So check out Last Week Tonight if you
Speaker 1: have HBO. Yeah, check out Last Week Tonight. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna plug a thing, probably the worst. I'm gonna get fired.
Speaker 1: That's probably the worst plug. I am going to plug
Speaker 1: your books since you didn't if you if you could
Speaker 1: use a pick me up after all of these horrible
Speaker 1: stories of child molestation. Dan O'Brien has a really fun
Speaker 1: and entertaining an educational book called How to Fight Presidents.
Speaker 1: And after this episode, you probably want to fight a
Speaker 1: couple of presidents. Yeah, the main one that you're gonna
Speaker 1: want to fight, The main two that you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to fight. Yeah, they're not featured in the book. They're
Speaker 1: not apologized, but you can synthesize some of that information. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and maybe this episode will get Dan talked to
Speaker 1: by the Secret Service again. Yeah, or all pals at
Speaker 1: this point they got you on speed dial. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: Robert Evans. I also think you should donate to Children
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