WEBVTT - Part Two: Jeffrey Epstein: Pimp to the Powerful 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:07.880 Hmm, we're back. I'm Robert Evans. This was another terrible introduction. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.160 Sophie is ashamed. Dan looks ashamed. He's not making my 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.640 eyes over the internet here now he is, but only 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.159 because I brought it up. Uh. I'm Robert Evans, is 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.800 behind the Bastards podcast. Bad people talk about him. Uh. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.600 This is part two of our episode on Jeffrey Epstein. Uh. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:26.760 Don't listen to this if you haven't listened to part one, 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.000 because it will not make as much sense as it should. Daniel, 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.800 how are you doing? Literally minutes after we finished the 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.120 first episode, I'm doing well. I'm learning a thing that 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.559 I didn't know what was true. I thought anytime you 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.640 did these like two or three part episodes, that you 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.160 would break when I, the listener would break. I didn't 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.040 know that you and Jamie Loftus talked about Mark Zuckerberg 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.360 for Yeah. It was it was too much talking about Yeah. No, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.720 there's never any break. The reason we do it this 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.720 way is because some amount of deceit to the audience 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.800 is always necessary. You understand, this, being a TV, you 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.720 have to lie to Uh. So this is the lie 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.360 we've chosen. Um, and it's a beautiful lie, I also 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:13.120 wear a hairpiece. But anyway, Uh, let's let'st but not 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.559 on my head back. It's like I've got a triple 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.959 latched onto my spine. Yes, that was a that was a. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.920 That was a good joke. Okay, let's talk about Jeffrey 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:32.280 Epstein some more now. Uh. Yeah, so we were already 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.560 acquainted with Jeffrey Epstein's illicit child pimping business. Um, so 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.760 let's take a minute at the start of this episode 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.000 to talk about his big, stupid house. Now, most of 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.160 the early positive articles you'll read about Jeffrey Epstein spent 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.440 a lot of time talking about his mansion in New 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.560 York City where you are, Dan Woo woo. Now, I 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.400 should note that he does not just own a mansion 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.640 in New York City. He owns the mansion in New 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.800 York City. Epstein's residence is the largest private home in Manhattan. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.440 It has a fifteen foot high oak door, nine floors, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.800 and takes up an entire city block. Seventy one Street 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.560 between Fifth and Madison is all Epstein's home. Uh. If 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.160 you're curious, here's how Vicky Ward, a Vanity Fair, described 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.360 being inside of Epstein's manner. Quote amid the flurry of 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.160 men's servants attired in sober black suits and pristine white gloves, 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.040 you feel you have stumbled into someone's private zanado. This 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.120 is no mere rich person's home, but a high walled, eclectic, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.760 imperious fantasy that seems to have no boundaries. The entrance 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.160 hall is decorated not with paintings, but with row upon 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.080 row of individually framed eyeballs. These, the owner tells people 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.680 with relish, were imported from England, where they were made 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.399 for injured soldiers. Next comes a marble foyer, which does 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.799 have a painting in the manner of Jean du Buffet. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.880 I don't know who the hell that is but the Coast, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.920 but the host coyly refuses to tell visitors who painted it. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.320 In any case, guests are like pygmies. Next to the 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.640 nearly twice life size sculpture of a naked African warrior, 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.160 he tells people he off the house because he knew 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.040 he could never live anywhere bigger. He thinks square feet 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.959 is an appropriately large space for someone like himself, who 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.720 deals mostly in large concepts, especially large sums of money. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:16.839 So that's Jeff Epstein's house in Manhattan. Evans. I'm gonna 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.600 I'm gonna ask you to do something that you might 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.360 not like to do. But you're the only person I 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.160 know that I can ask to do this. If I 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.600 ever make a billion dollars, just fucking kill me. Don't 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.560 let me turn into one of these people. I'm worried 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.280 that it's that it's it's going to happen. So if 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.880 I ever become like crazy rich, don't assume that I'm 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.720 going to be good. But soon they're going to catch 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:39.360 whatever disease these these mutants have and and uh, kill 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.080 me in an environmentally conscious way. Yeah, yeah, that will 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.040 that and and we'll we'll have this podcast as evidence 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.360 on the trial. Uh. And I am inefinitely brought to 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.840 trial for murder. Oh heavens. You fool to assume that 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.800 in the future there will still be trial and laws. No, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.960 I'll just wind up like bicycle jousting with your next 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:04.600 of kin around the water now. Uh. Jeffrey Epstein's big 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.120 stupid mansion has a gigantic, leather lined room dedicated entirely 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.920 to drinking tea. If you want to make somebody start 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.720 embracing the tenants of socialism, you might point out that 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.760 there are twenty three thousand homeless children in New York City, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.040 and the child pimp to the stars has a dedicated 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.120 room just for tea. Just let that rattle around in 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.880 your head a little bit when you think about where 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:31.560 the top marginal income tax rate should be. We can't 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.240 just say, like, look, this is what they do when 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.800 we give them too much money. Yeah, it's very embarrassed. 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:42.240 It's very very right. And that I I gotta give 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.159 credit to Vicky, the author of that Vanity Fair article, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.000 because that was published at a time before many dark 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.120 details were known about Epstein, and she was like the 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.080 first person to really dig into him in a critical way. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.920 She definitely hinted at some very bad stuff and did 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.080 a better job of anyone else of shining a spotlight 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.719 on the darker parts of his career. And her article 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.479 is kind of a masterclass in journalistic shade throwing. You 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.039 can tell that she really dislikes this guy as she 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.760 describes his giant house and all of his fancy things. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.480 Um well, she includes it keeps a pretty fair neutral 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.000 tone throughout. She includes ample quotes from her subject that 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.400 present a more damning indictment of his person than any 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.359 polemic ever could. At one point, he shows her his 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.440 giant living room rug, which he describes as quote the 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.480 largest Persian rug you will ever see in a private home. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.919 So big it must have come from a mosque. Crags 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.480 my carpet so big we stole it from someone else's 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:38.719 religious building. Jesus, guy it I shouldn't be surprised, but 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.720 like you could ask a simple question. I guess you 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.080 didn't even ask a questions about the rug, you know. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.720 He just He's like, I bet I can take this 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.440 from normal to awful in seconds. It's not gonna I'm 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.360 not gonna break a sweat. How much cultural appropriation can 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:59.640 I include? Uh? Now? In the article, Vicki notes that 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.920 most of Epstein's decor has been picked out by a 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.839 famous French decorator, a guy who worked for prime ministers 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.479 and royalty around the world, and then she notes that 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.880 among all this finery quote, there is one particularly startling oddity, 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.640 A stuffed black poodle standing atop the grand piano. No 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.440 decorator would ever tell you to do that, Epstein brags 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.560 to visitors. But I want people to think of what 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.360 it means to stuff a dog. I don't know what 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.680 that means I don't. I don't. I don't know what 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:31.360 that means. Now, Vicky suggests, Yeah, there is one particularly 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.320 startling oddity, a stuffed black poodle standing atop the grand piano. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.640 No decorator, whatever, tell you to do that. Epstein brags 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.000 to visitors. But I want people to think what it 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.960 means to stuff a dog. I want people to think 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.960 what it means to stuff dog? What does it mean 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.479 stuff a dog? Let's let's together, let's honor his wishes 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.360 and think about that. Think what it means to stuff 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.600 a dog. It means you had a dog. Yep. It 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.320 means the dog is dead. It means you had stuffing 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.680 around or called a guy. It means you remove the 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.720 stuff that was inside the dog and replace it with 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.360 the stuffing, and then you sewed up the dog so 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.520 people didn't so people couldn't see it anymore that it 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.920 was sewed up, and then you put it on a 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:25.160 piano because your parents made you take the analysts. Okay, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.400 I've thought about what it means the stuff a dog, 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.040 and I'm no closer to anybod. I feel like I 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.200 did the thing that he wants people to do. Like. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.320 It doesn't make me feel like I didn't come away 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.640 with that thinking like, oh man, he's powerful, he's smart, handsome. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.480 I just thought like, okay, I did. It's like, when 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.240 I think about what it means stuff a dog, I 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.720 think of a very workmen like process. What it means 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.040 you gotta remove some guts, you gotta put some stuff in. Yeah, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.480 gloves are probably involved. You needn't. You don't understand like 0:07:55.680 --> 0:08:01.840 embalming and sewing and proper disposal of dog guts a 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:06.560 lot of salt. I've thought about it. Jet It sucks. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.880 It sucks for what it's worth. Vicky Wards says that 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.160 she thinks it's Epstein's way of saying he always gets 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.520 the last word. I don't know why she thinks that, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.600 but I'm she spent a lot of time with him, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.320 so I'm gonna guess she's privy to some details were not. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.880 I really don't understand it. No, I don't understand like 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.640 the way he says it makes people think what it means, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.280 the stuff a dog. It's I feel like I understand 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.600 that he's trying to conjure up some kind of mic 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.320 drop moment, as if like, yeah, if you walk into 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:43.560 my apartment and saw that I had Willy mammoth tusk 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.560 mounted on a wall somewhere. That's a flex. I understand 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.640 that being a flex because that means I either found 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.520 a Willy manneth, killed it and put its tusk on 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.280 my wall, broke into a museum, stole a tusk, or 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.880 had enough money to buy a tusk. Those are three 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.640 lexes that I understand right as like a power move 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.640 to show someone a stuffed dog on a piano is 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.040 not one of those flexes. It is not. I don't 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:13.360 know what that means. I don't either. Yeah, and maybe 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.600 it's just a way to make people feel Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.160 it just it just keeps it confuses people. And that 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:26.280 was Jeffrey's goal. Yeah, I yeah, mission mission accomplished. Your 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:31.040 Cony Island sex Monster Cony. That's another good title for 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:35.320 the episode, Coney Island sex monster. Okay. Now. Back in 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.720 two thousand fifteen, after Epstein's rampant pedophilick pimping was common 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.439 knowledge and after he'd been out of prison for several years, 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.839 Vicky Ward published another article about the man, this one 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.200 for The Daily Beast. Its title was I tried to 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.720 warn you about sleazy billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. In two thousand 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.560 and three. Now Ward was more explicit and less guarded 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.440 in this article, stating outright that Epstein's claims of having 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.199 made his fortune by managing the well of multiple billionaires 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.719 was quote a story that no one I spoke to believed. Now, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.280 back in two thousand three, she'd spoken to Hoffenberg, his 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.160 former partner in that Ponzi scheme. Hoffenberg had made some 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.680 allegations about Epstein, but she hadn't really been able to 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.120 go off on those alone, because you know, he was 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.679 a felon in prison for fraud, and Jeffrey Epstein was 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.720 a rich billionaire. You can't just like accuse billionaires of 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.760 committing fraud off of the word of a guy who's 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.280 in prison for fraud. Uh, you gotta have more info 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.520 than that. Okay, just let me know when we reached 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.040 the era where I can accuse billionaires of fraud from 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:41.360 an uninformed, gut instinct level. That is the now when 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:47.000 the economy collapses, And that's not a good era either. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.880 So she had done some digging this time and found 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.800 proof that Epstein had been chased out of bear Stearns 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.040 for committing a violation, which is why we knew that 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.720 in the first place. She had brought this to Epstein 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.040 and outed that he seemed almost concerned about the allegations 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.719 of financial irregularities and crimes. This had baffled her. She'd 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.000 been surprised that he'd brushed off these allegations um and 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.320 in fact, Epstein had mainly brushed them off so that 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.160 he could repeatedly ask her, what do you have on 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:21.320 the girls now? According to ward Quote, what I had 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.240 on the girls were some remarkably brave first person accounts. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.560 Three on the record stories from a family, a mother 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.920 and her daughters who came from Phoenix. The oldest daughter, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.120 an artist whose character was vouchsafed to me by several sources, 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.040 including the artist Eric Fischel, had told me, weeping as 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.920 she sat in my living room, of how Epstein had 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.079 attempted to seduce both her and separately, her younger sister 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.559 than only sixteen. He'd gotten to them because of his money. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.880 He'd promised the older sister patronage of her artwork. He'd 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.200 promised the younger funding for a trip abroad that would 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.120 give her work experience she needed on her resume for 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:56.160 a place at an Ivy League university, which she desperately wanted, so. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.320 The girl's mom had figured that they'd be safe at 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.640 Epstein's home. After all, he'd flown around with Bill Clinton, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.920 funded tens of millions of dollars in critical scientific research, 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.480 most of his friends were physicists. Plus she knew Gill 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.120 Say Maxwell would be there the whole time. The mother 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.880 later told Ward quote, at the time, I wanted to 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.320 go to after him, I mean physically, mentally, you know, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.720 in every way, shape and form. And the advice I 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.720 was given was, you know, he is so wealthy. He 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.959 can fight you, he can make you look ridiculous, he 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.840 can make your daughters look ridiculous. Plus he can hurt them. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.760 And that was the thing that frightened me, was that 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.800 he would know where they lived and could possibly just 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.920 send somebody when they walk the dog at night or 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.960 something around the corner and we'd never hear from them again. So, yeah, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.079 there's a lot there, But uh, most of his friends 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.960 aren't physicists. Is kind of a new in stageul defense 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.000 of a person. He seems nice. Most of his friends 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.280 are physicists. Like, I'm not saying that, like it's it's 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.720 one of the assumed golf physicists are bad. I definitely 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.040 didn't assume they were all good, though. I mean, it's 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.360 just it just seems like an innocuous thing. It's one 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.720 thing if it's like, oh, my teenage daughter is going 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.640 to be hanging out with uh fucking Jeremy Piven, which 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.040 you know is immediately shady. It's another thing to be like, oh, well, 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.080 this guy is like a billionaire who funds scientific research 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.840 and pals around with Stephen Hawking and the like, like 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:21.000 that seems like he's probably an upright citizen, you know, Yeah, 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.640 he doesn't seem shady, like I can see how. It's like, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.040 it's one thing, you know, you can throw some judgment 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.720 on the parents who let their kids hang out with 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.200 R Kelly when they were fifteen, and it's like there's 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.120 been allegations about R Kelly for a long time. You know. 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.800 In two thousand two, nobody was saying anything about Epstein 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.480 but that he'd given twenty million dollars in Harvard for 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:46.360 math research. Like that's it doesn't sound like stereotypical sexual abuser, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:51.840 although now it does because Jeffrey Epstein Pimp to the Stars. Okay, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.679 so Ward brought the allegations that these young women had 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.360 made to Epstein, and he denied them to her face, saying, quote, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.800 just the mention of a sixteen year old girl carries 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.880 the wrong impression. I don't see what it adds to 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.600 the piece, and that makes me unhappy. Now, after she 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.120 brought this up to Epstein, he repeatedly called her and 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.000 Graydon Carter, the editor at Vanity Fair. Epstein took extreme 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.719 measures to discredit the witnesses, reportedly mailing forged letters from 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.480 them to Vanity Fair. At one point, Epstein made it 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.040 somehow made it past building security and into Vanity Fairs offices. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.200 It's unclear exactly what threats he made or didn't make, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.720 but Graydon Carter made the call to pull the women's 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.120 allegations from the article. It came down to my sources 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.000 words against Epstein's and at the time great and believed Epstein, 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.720 and my notebook I have him saying I believe him. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.920 I'm Canadian. I don't know what the hell Canada has 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.000 to do with it. Is that like a throwing Canada 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.080 under the bus moment of like I believed him because 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.480 we are this is this is before it was like 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.120 the before the he was charged with cars. I'm I'm yeah, 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.680 I'm a sweet that yeah, yeah that that vanity fair 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.240 article includes no allegations of sex crimes. She had two 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.000 witnesses going on record saying Epstein tried to seduce them 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.720 when they were underage, but her editor talked to Epstein 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.200 about the allegations against him and made the decision to 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.160 pull those allegations because he trusted Epstein. Okay, not a 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:23.320 great thing. It's because he's Canadians are trustworthy, classic not 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:28.240 believing child sex abuse victims. I mean it just it's 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:33.440 an easier to assemble puzzle than stuff poodle. That it 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.400 is that it is very fair. Now Ward claims that 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.840 during this time when she was writing the article, she 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.400 became terrified of Jeffrey Epstein and what he might do 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.880 to her. She says she was frightened enough that had 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.880 probably had some impact on the children that she was 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.160 pregnant with at the time. Both of her babies were 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:54.320 born premature um Epstein. Yeah. Epstein had asked her where 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.800 her babies were going to be born, and she knew 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.280 that he had deep connections in the medical community, so 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.240 she paid for security guards to watch her babies where 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.520 they were in the n I C. U. Her two 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.920 thousand and fifteen article ends with this line quote when 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.480 they've been released home. Some months later, I went out 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:15.040 to my first party. There was Jeffrey Epstein sucking a lollipop. Vicky. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:23.520 He said, you look so pretty. Epstein. Yeah, it's we 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.360 have a couple of different types of bastards. I mean, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.400 I'm yeah, putting the cuffs on. When you say he 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.400 saw him at a party. Second a lollipop, I'm like, no, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.080 this gout's done some ship. This guy is a pedophile. 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.120 Woke up from a thirty year coma, walked into a 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.200 party and I saw this forty two year old billionaire. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.200 Second a lollipop. Put him in the chain, put him 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.520 out of here, put him in prison. We'll try him later. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.920 Something's big broken here. We do like, there's a couple 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.120 of different kinds of bastards. We get there's the guys 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.840 like l Ron Hubbard, who, like, in an objective way, yeah, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.880 probably did more evil in the world than Jeffrey Epstein 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.960 has if you look at all of the consequences of 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.280 his actions, but you can't help it. Kind of like 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.320 the guy when you read about him enough because his 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.040 evil is just so like cookie and weird and eccentric, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.680 and he's like getting people to look for gold on 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.320 boats in the ocean and stuff that's fun. Epstein like, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.600 there's no fun in him. He's just it's like Cosby, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.560 it's just horrible. It's just a bad guy with no 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.440 conscience and is there. I mean not to make you 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.520 play armchair psychiatrist psychologists or anything like that, but that's 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:34.320 basically nothing about what you said about his upbringing made 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:39.800 it seem like the seeds of evil were playing there, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.159 like like you brought up no trauma. You say, like 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.680 Coney Island was rough, but he also had parents that 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.000 were spending a lot of money to give him a 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.520 good education. So I'm not that I'm trying to find 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.080 good in him. I'm trying to find uh an inception point, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.920 because the alternative to it would trauma that caused this 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.600 moral lapse, not moral laps, moral implosion in this person. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.560 The alternative to that is he was born soulless and evil, 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.560 which is the thing that I I know, I don't 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.920 really believe in. I don't think he thinks like I 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.480 don't think he's a mustache twirling villain. I don't think 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.399 he viewsed these girls. These girls are obviously victims. I 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:22.760 want to be clear about that. I don't think he 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.040 views them that way. I think he probably felt bad 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.840 when he penetrated that teenager with his penis and she 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.399 said no, um, which is why he gave her a 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.720 thousand dollars. Now, obviously that doesn't doesn't come close to 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.119 making it right. But I think he viewed most of 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.840 these is like, well, these girls are getting money out 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.240 of this, and they're getting connections, and I'm not forcing 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.600 myself on them. They're coming into my room and providing 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.800 this service. It's fine. I'm so smart and evolved in 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.160 our Society's attitudes on when young girls should have sex 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.080 with fifty eight year old men are behind the times. 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.280 I mean, I guess that's Epstein's justification that there's no 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.280 reason that I shouldn't have sex with a twelve year 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.679 old as long as I'm not violently forcing it on her. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.119 This is a question that I don't know if you 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.919 have the answer to or or you're gonn answer, well 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.439 what it will do to me? But does he have children? Epstein? 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.280 Do you ever end up having children? Not even like 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.399 like like, I don't think so. He's probably had children 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.520 and and covered it up. But like children that are 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.760 that that he claims was his own and had any 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.960 kind of part in raising. I didn't run into any 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.560 story of that. I don't think he's been married. Uh. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.960 He was kind of famous in the art ladies. Like 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.159 there was a lot of speculation that Gil say in 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.480 maxwell Um that British socialite was like his lover and stuff, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.320 and it turned out she was just you know, helping 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:50.879 him run his pimping empire, pimpire. Uh sure, yeah, so 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.639 I I think he was just like he had this 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.600 image of like being kind of this like rich bachelor, 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.240 like Bruce Wayne type character. Yeah, that's what everyone think. So, 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:06.479 but we have as that was good. Do you want 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.399 to you want to try doing a product? Damn? Do 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.520 I want to try to doing a products? You know catchphrase? 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:19.240 Give me one? Yeah, products, that's it. Sophie's giving me 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.399 a thumbs down. But I think you were great. You 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:27.200 need to know that I'm shouting products alone in my apartment, Dan, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:33.040 I do that every single night of my life. Products 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:43.520 we're back. Those services also good. You know, we don't 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.840 think enough about the services, but without services, products are 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.920 just half produced. Yeah, I mean like anyone could buy, 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:57.240 uh belt or a nice really hitting on the belt. 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.600 Also the services of that, like therapy that you talked 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.160 to on your phone or whatever. We have not gotten money. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.320 You haven't. No, they don't don't advertise on our show. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.919 I don't know. We did have Air Emirates advertising our 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.240 show once and people got very angry for me because 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.399 I just got and finished talking about the death squads 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:22.000 that Erik Prince operates for the Emmirates. We don't like, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.359 we don't. It's just randomly slotted ads a lot of 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.880 the time if I don't read them. Uh, it's it's 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.359 it's tough because as we're recording this, I have insider 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:33.560 information that all of your ads are Jeffrey Epstein speaking tours. 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.760 It's just it's it's the only guy who bought any 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.560 add time on this episode. He's giving me a lot 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.160 of money, and he actually demanded this episode. A weird guy. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.600 He gave me a stell story. Robert. I don't know 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.120 what I'm supposed to do with the poodle, but I've 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:56.960 got you thought about it. I think about it every day. Okay. So, 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.800 roughly two years after Vicky Reward wrote her first article 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.200 in Vanity fair uh and you know, had her premature babies. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.240 Investigators in Palm Beach started talking to young women they 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.960 believed might have been abused by Jeffrey Epstein. This was 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.840 two thousand five. They started pulling his trash and they 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.000 found scraps of paper with phone numbers in the names 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.639 of several young girls on them. Next, they talked to 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.000 Epstein's butler and eventually gathered enough evidence to charge him 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.520 and two of his assistants with unlawful sex acts with 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.800