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Speaker 1: Hmm, we're back. I'm Robert Evans. This was another terrible introduction.

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Speaker 1: Sophie is ashamed. Dan looks ashamed. He's not making my

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Speaker 1: eyes over the internet here now he is, but only

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Speaker 1: because I brought it up. Uh. I'm Robert Evans, is

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Speaker 1: behind the Bastards podcast. Bad people talk about him. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of our episode on Jeffrey Epstein. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Don't listen to this if you haven't listened to part one,

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Speaker 1: because it will not make as much sense as it should. Daniel,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Literally minutes after we finished the

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Speaker 1: first episode, I'm doing well. I'm learning a thing that

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what was true. I thought anytime you

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Speaker 1: did these like two or three part episodes, that you

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Speaker 1: would break when I, the listener would break. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that you and Jamie Loftus talked about Mark Zuckerberg

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Speaker 1: for Yeah. It was it was too much talking about Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: there's never any break. The reason we do it this

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Speaker 1: way is because some amount of deceit to the audience

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Speaker 1: is always necessary. You understand, this, being a TV, you

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Speaker 1: have to lie to Uh. So this is the lie

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Speaker 1: we've chosen. Um, and it's a beautiful lie, I also

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Speaker 1: wear a hairpiece. But anyway, Uh, let's let'st but not

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Speaker 1: on my head back. It's like I've got a triple

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Speaker 1: latched onto my spine. Yes, that was a that was a.

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Speaker 1: That was a good joke. Okay, let's talk about Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein some more now. Uh. Yeah, so we were already

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Speaker 1: acquainted with Jeffrey Epstein's illicit child pimping business. Um, so

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Speaker 1: let's take a minute at the start of this episode

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Speaker 1: to talk about his big, stupid house. Now, most of

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Speaker 1: the early positive articles you'll read about Jeffrey Epstein spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about his mansion in New

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Speaker 1: York City where you are, Dan Woo woo. Now, I

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Speaker 1: should note that he does not just own a mansion

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Speaker 1: in New York City. He owns the mansion in New

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Speaker 1: York City. Epstein's residence is the largest private home in Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: It has a fifteen foot high oak door, nine floors,

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Speaker 1: you're curious, here's how Vicky Ward, a Vanity Fair, described

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Speaker 1: being inside of Epstein's manner. Quote amid the flurry of

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Speaker 1: men's servants attired in sober black suits and pristine white gloves,

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Speaker 1: you feel you have stumbled into someone's private zanado. This

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Speaker 1: is no mere rich person's home, but a high walled, eclectic,

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Speaker 1: imperious fantasy that seems to have no boundaries. The entrance

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Speaker 1: hall is decorated not with paintings, but with row upon

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Speaker 1: row of individually framed eyeballs. These, the owner tells people

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Speaker 1: with relish, were imported from England, where they were made

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Speaker 1: for injured soldiers. Next comes a marble foyer, which does

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Speaker 1: I don't know who the hell that is but the Coast,

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Speaker 1: but the host coyly refuses to tell visitors who painted it.

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Speaker 1: In any case, guests are like pygmies. Next to the

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Speaker 1: nearly twice life size sculpture of a naked African warrior,

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Speaker 1: he could never live anywhere bigger. He thinks square feet

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Speaker 1: So that's Jeff Epstein's house in Manhattan. Evans. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you to do something that you might

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Speaker 1: not like to do. But you're the only person I

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Speaker 1: going to be good. But soon they're going to catch

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Speaker 1: whatever disease these these mutants have and and uh, kill

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Speaker 1: that and and we'll we'll have this podcast as evidence

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Speaker 1: I'll just wind up like bicycle jousting with your next

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Speaker 1: of kin around the water now. Uh. Jeffrey Epstein's big

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Speaker 1: stupid mansion has a gigantic, leather lined room dedicated entirely

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Speaker 1: Um well, she includes it keeps a pretty fair neutral

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Speaker 1: among all this finery quote, there is one particularly startling oddity,

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Speaker 1: No decorator, whatever, tell you to do that. Epstein brags

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Speaker 1: and think about that. Think what it means to stuff

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Speaker 1: think of a very workmen like process. What it means

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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, after Epstein's rampant pedophilick pimping was common

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Speaker 1: private investigators were accused of following the girls and their families.

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Speaker 1: In one case, the father of one girl claimed he

426
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Speaker 1: had been run off the road by a private investigator.

427
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: Police and court reports show who now Epstein hired a

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Speaker 1: legal dream team in order to defend him from these

429
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: allegations of sexual trafficking. This dream team included Alan Dershowitz,

430
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: noted celebrity lawyer of Mike Tyson, Patty Hurst, and O. J. Simpson.

431
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: It also included Kenneth Starr, a man whose investigation of

432
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: a minor land deal had spiraled into an investigation into

433
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: President Clinton's relationship with an intern. Now that he defended

434
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: morality in a battle against the Clinton machine, Starr went

435
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: to work defending one of Bill Clinton's good friends from

436
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: charges of serial child molestation. Consistency is important now, as

437
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: we all know, in any case where a bunch of

438
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: young teenage girls are accusing a man of means of

439
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: rampant sexual assault and trafficking, step one of any competent

440
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: legal defense is going to be to dig into those

441
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: girls lives and destroy them in front of a judge.

442
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: Epstein's team of super good human beings got right to

443
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: work doing this. First, Alan Dershowitz met with Detective Raccari

444
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 1: and shared with him the results of an investigation Epstein

445
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: had paid for, which revealed one of the girls to

446
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: be quote an accomplished drama student. In other words, Derschwitz

447
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: is saying she's a liar. According to a letter that

448
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: Derschwitz wrote, the detective quote, our investigation has discovered at

449
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: least one of her websites, and I am inclosing some examples.

450
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: The site goes onto detail, including photos her apparent fascination

451
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: with marijuana. Oh oh yeah. In interviews with the Miami Herald,

452
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: Riccari further recalled quote his attorney showed us on my

453
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: SPAE page where one of the girls was holding a

454
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: beer in her hand, and they said, oh, look, she

455
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 1: is underage drinking. Well, tell me what teenager doesn't Does

456
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: that mean she isn't a victim because she drank a beer. Basically,

457
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: what you're telling me is that the only victim of

458
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: a sexual battery could be a nun. I like Detective Riccarry.

459
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: Another Epstein victim, reported similar behavior from his lawyers, telling

460
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: the Miami Herald quote his lawyers were just in my

461
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: life inside and out. They asked if I had a baby,

462
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: if I had an abortion, did you sleep with thirty

463
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: different guys? Do you think that played a part? I said,

464
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: you're going to come at me like that when you

465
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: represent a guy who is doing this to hundreds of girls.

466
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Speaker 1: How do you sleep at night? And I hate to

467
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: say this, young woman, but all of Epstein's lawyers sleep

468
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: at night on a pile of money, uh, hundreds of

469
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: feetle I don't think I think it's pretty safe to

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Speaker 1: say that Uh. Anyone who's ever been asked the question

471
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: how do you sleep at night? I think it's pretty

472
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: fair to say basically just fine. Yeah, if you're asking

473
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: a person that question, if there's not like guilt and

474
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: shame on their face, yeah, if they did the thing,

475
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: then they already don't know why they should be ashamed

476
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: of it. It's it's I mean, I have trouble sleeping

477
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: at night because these people exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

478
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: the rest of us have trouble sleeping at night, not

479
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: the sociopaths who exist in the orbit of helping these

480
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: these people not get charged for You got rich by

481
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: ruining people's lives. How did you sleep at night? Easily? Comfortably, really,

482
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: no problems. You guys don't know how good bed technology

483
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: has gotten. If you're you got your beds out of

484
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: a box. My bed was forged in the Himalayan mountains.

485
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: It's yeah. I had like a bed bed guy come

486
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: and measure me and then make a bed around my body.

487
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: It's perfect. It's never had a better sleep. It's the

488
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: only one of its kind. They actually burnt down the

489
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: forest that made the fibers for the beds that no

490
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: one else could ever have a mlar bed it cost

491
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: a little bit extra, but it's worth it. So Palm

492
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: Beach attorney Barry Kersher and state prosecutor Lana below Lavic

493
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: seemed to have found themselves in a similar situation to

494
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Vanity Fairs editor. As the case progressed, Epstein's attorneys made

495
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: the kind of quiet, technically legal threats that lawyers know

496
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: how to make, and so the prosecutor and state attorney

497
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: stopped picking up the phone for Detective Raccari and police

498
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: chief Writer that allayed approving subpoenas for the case. Writer

499
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: later recalled quote. Early on, it became clear that things

500
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: had changed from Cursher saying we'll put this guy away

501
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: for life to these are all the reasons why we

502
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: aren't going to prosecute this. There was evidence of shady

503
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: donations made by Epstein to the police department after the

504
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: beginning of the investigation. Writer returned at least one of

505
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: these donations, but it's entirely possible that more money changed hands.

506
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: Some of Epstein's victims later recalled him bragging that he

507
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: owned the Palm Beach Police department. Both the police chief, Yeah,

508
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: it's called a humble now, both the police chief and

509
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: the detective became convinced their trash was being sorted through

510
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: and that they were being followed through about the day

511
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: by private eyes. When they finally got to raid Epstein's

512
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: mansion on October two, five, it looked as if he'd

513
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: been tipped off. Most of his hard drives, surveillance cameras,

514
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: and videos had been removed hastily. Still, they found a

515
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of damning material. According to the Miami Herald quote,

516
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: they obtained dozens of message paged from his home that

517
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: read like a who's who of famous people, including magician

518
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: David Copperfield and Donald Trump, an indication of Epstein's vast

519
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: circle of influential friends. There were also messages from girls,

520
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: and their phone numbers matched those of many of the

521
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: girls Riccari had interviewed. Riccary said they read Courtney called

522
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: she can come at four or Tania can't come at

523
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: seven pm tomorrow because she has soccer practice gross gross

524
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: gross gross, on the same pieces of paper with Donald

525
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: Trump's phone number. Regardless of the of the year. It

526
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: feels like my my two friends Donald Trump and David

527
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Copperfield was never never reflex Yeah. They also found naked

528
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: photographs of underage girls in Epstein's closet, which means the

529
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: fact that they still found all this stuff after he'd

530
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: been tipped off means that before Epstein had his house cleaned,

531
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: there was so much child pornography and incriminating information that

532
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: a billionaire's team of cleaners couldn't remove at all. Yeah,

533
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: and checked the closet, they in his close I mean,

534
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: I assumed that there were a lot more naked photographs

535
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: and they just missed some because he had so many.

536
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: That's what that that's got to be what that means

537
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: can be like, look, you gave us a month. We

538
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: your house is so huge. Yeah, we we got rid

539
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: of so much illegal stuff from the main wing of it.

540
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know, there's some so many it's a

541
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: huge house, Jeff, Like, you have a lot of pictures

542
00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: of children. So the case dragged on through two thousand

543
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: six and into two thousand seven. By October, the prosecution

544
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: was in the hands of Alexander a Costa, the top

545
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: federal prosecutor in Miami. He met with one of Epstein's lawyers,

546
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: j Leftowitz, with whom a Costa had worked in the past.

547
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: The two former co workers hammered out a deal for

548
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: the final resolution of Epstein's case. This non prosecution agreement

549
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: shut down the ongoing FBI probe into Epstein's crimes. It

550
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: also guaranteed that the full nature of Epstein's crimes would

551
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: be concealed from his victims. In other words, a coasta

552
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: agreed to give Jeffrey Epstein a plea agreement that no

553
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: one actually got to see or read, including his victims. Epstein,

554
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: how long? Yeah, is that one of the types of

555
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: legal things that one day will get revealed? No, no, no,

556
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: it's a forever. Listeners at home, you can't tell this

557
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: because this is again in the audio medium. But I

558
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: am sad physically, yeah, very visibly sad. Sad with a

559
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: dog in your lap, which is a hard hard to be. Yeah,

560
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: like just crest fallen while getting my my chin licked

561
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: by my adorable puppy dog. It's Bill, he said, Yeah,

562
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't know, but he's sad. Now. Epstein did have

563
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court,

564
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: but his four named accomplices received immunity from their federal charges.

565
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: The deal also gave immunity to quote any potential co conspirators,

566
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: meaning anyone else involved in Epstein's crimes who the government

567
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: hadn't found out about yet was retroactively declared off the hook.

568
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: That's the kind of agreement Jeffrey Epstein got thanks to

569
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Alexander A Costa. How what do you bet like? That's

570
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: such a sweet deal. It's a great deal. What do

571
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: you what do you think happened to the guy who

572
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: gave him that great deal? Alexander A Costa. He's Donald

573
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: Trump's Secretary of Labor. You didn't let me guess. I

574
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: was going to say something good and wholesome. Oh. When

575
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: questioned about his role in letting a criminal network of

576
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: child molesters off the hook in exchange for giving one

577
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: guy a slap on the wrist, a Coasta said quote

578
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Based on the evidence,

579
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: professionals within a prosecutor's office decided that a plea that

580
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: guarantees someone goes to jail, that guarantees he registered as

581
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: a sex offender generally, and guarantees other outcomes is a

582
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: good thing. How long did you go to jail? Four? Well,

583
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. You said you said he got okay, Yeah,

584
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: you said he got more than a year. Yeah, which sucks.

585
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: Epstein was required to register as a sex offender and

586
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: pay restitution to three dozen victims. He was also required

587
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: to admit to committing only one offense against an underage girl,

588
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: and that girl was labeled a prostitute in the official

589
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: court documents, although she was fourteen at the time. Just

590
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: so we're clear, there was no such thing as a

591
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: fourteen year old prostitute. By law, any fourteen year old

592
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: having sex with an adult is a rape victim. Any

593
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: fourteen year old being sold for sex as a trafficking victim.

594
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as a fourteen year old

595
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: prostitute unless you are as wealthy as Jeff Epstein. So

596
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: the thirty six women he had to pay did get

597
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: sizeable chunks of money, but only after enduring multiple years

598
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: of having their lives torn apart by Epstein's army of

599
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: private eyes and lawyers. Jenna Lissa Jones, who says Epstein

600
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: molested her when she was fourteen, later recalled, you beat

601
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: yourself up mentally and physically. You can't ever stop your thoughts.

602
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: A word can trigger something for me. It is the

603
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: word pure, because he called me pure in that room,

604
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: and then I remember what he did to me in

605
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: that room. Oh, you're leaving, you're leaving air there for

606
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: me to make a joke. It seems more to have

607
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: some kind of comment other than like, no, it's even

608
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: vomiting or screaming. It's it's worse than that. It's it's

609
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: ad plugged time. Oh my god, I know what a

610
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: bad lied to lead into ads. Oh, this is why

611
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: we have trouble. Dad. I hope you're happy to be

612
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: associated with this. Uh whatever. It is the name of

613
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: that company that the culture Kings used to buy shoes on.

614
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: I forget they haven't advertised on me. They haven't. Oh

615
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: well they won't. Now know, we should get like a

616
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: like a guillotine manufacturer or or something like that on board.

617
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: Those are now huh yeah, yeah, it's coming back, baby, Okay. Well,

618
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: uh well, we'll talk about the exact nature of how

619
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: much time Jeffrey Epstein did and what his time in

620
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: jail not prison was like. But first product products, we're

621
00:34:53,880 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: back now. Yeah, this is a this is a rough one. Dan.

622
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: At the point at which that plea agreement was reached,

623
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: Detective Raccari said that he and his team had identified

624
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: about fifty victims, all of whom told nearly identical stories.

625
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: The Miami Herald's investigation found more than eighty victims. In

626
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, Epstein's former butler, a guy named Rodriguez,

627
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: tried to sell Epstein's Little Black Book to an undercover

628
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: FBI agent pretending to be a lawyer. You know this

629
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: is illegal. You can't do that. Uh. And he served

630
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: some time in prison, more time than Epstein served for

631
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: running a child rape ring. Fourteen months is what. And

632
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: he did not go to prison. Epstein went to a jail,

633
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: a private luxury jail, basically a country club with bars,

634
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: the absolute minimum level of security and restriction possible for

635
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: an incarcerated person. And he didn't even have to stay

636
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Speaker 1: there all the time. He was allowed out on work

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Speaker 1: release for up to twelve hours a day, six days

638
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Speaker 1: a week, which he spent in his own off us,

639
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: taking male and female visitors freely, with no oversight by

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Speaker 1: the deputies who sat outside the reception room and waited

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Speaker 1: for him to go home. Also doing he was having

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Speaker 1: sex with people. Dan Also, he paid the salaries of

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Speaker 1: those deputies while they were watching him. There's no conflict

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Speaker 1: of interest there. Here's the Miami Herald again, In their

645
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Speaker 1: early reports in July two, the deputies referred to Epstein

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Speaker 1: as inmate, but within a few weeks the language had

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00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: changed and he was called a client. He was occasionally

648
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Speaker 1: allowed to take a break for lunch by sitting outside

649
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Speaker 1: in a park, the record show, and they also gave

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Speaker 1: him permission to scout for a new office while on

651
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Speaker 1: work release. He was required to wear an ankle bracelet

652
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Speaker 1: to monitor his whereabouts, So that's something now disagree. Epstein's

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Speaker 1: work release was approved by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: Office because they say he met the criteria for their

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Speaker 1: work release program and there was no actual basis to

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Speaker 1: deny the program to him when any other inmate in

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00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: his situation would have been eligible. However, an incredibly basic

658
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: amount of digging, literally reading the department's work release policy,

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Speaker 1: reveals that sex offenders are specifically ineligible for work release.

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Speaker 1: When questioned about this, a department spokesperson first claimed that

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Speaker 1: Epstein was not a sex offender at the time, and

662
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Speaker 1: then clammed up and stopped responding when it was noted

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Speaker 1: that he had been required to register as a sex offender. Also,

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Speaker 1: it came out that Epstein was paying the officers who

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Speaker 1: guarded him while he was out on work release. So

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Speaker 1: that's good. That seems like justice. Now, I will say

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Speaker 1: Dan Epstein's lifestyle certainly took a hit during his time

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Speaker 1: in jail. A report by The Smoking Gun revealed that

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Speaker 1: his purchases, from what his purchases were from the jail commissary,

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00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: he spent most of his money on Taryaki meatsticks, pop tarts,

671
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Speaker 1: and Little Chubb sausages, along with substantial quantities of Lubra

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Speaker 1: derm and the finest leather shoes a jail store could provide. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what are the finest leather shoes a jail store can provide?

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Speaker 1: Haven't been to jail little while, and I don't really

675
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Speaker 1: know how the market has shifted since they cost seventy

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Speaker 1: two dollars, so I'm gonna assume it's a serious step

677
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: down from Epstein's usual leather shoes. That's more than I

678
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: typically spend on shoes, though, yeah, more than yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now during his parole, uh yeah, he spent like a

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Speaker 1: year on parole after he got out of jail, where

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Speaker 1: he was supposed to be, you know, confined to staying

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Speaker 1: in Florida. But every time he requested to travel outside

683
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: of the state. His request were granted seemingly with no resistance.

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Speaker 1: After his pearl. In the almost decades since it ended,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein has continued to enjoy a life of unbridled excess.

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Speaker 1: He bought a new private jet. He switched his permanent

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Speaker 1: residence to his island Little Saint jeff since New York

688
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: and Florida required him to register as a sex offender.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the truth behind Epstein's rise to wealth and power,

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00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: it's clear that his financial resources are still seemingly inexhaustible.

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Speaker 1: He's continued to donate to charities funding scientific research, and

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Speaker 1: even starting an online TV network, NEUROTV, that focuses on

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Speaker 1: interviews with great thinkers and scientists. His great and good

694
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: friends seemed to have forgiven him his trespasses. Stephen Hawking

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00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: visited his island two thousand six. In two thousand ten,

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00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: his island or He hosted Katie Couric, George Stephanopolis, Chelsea Handler,

697
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: and Woody Allen to a lavish dinner. Woody Allen, I

698
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: get yeah, I get why Woody Allen didn't have any

699
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: issues with this. Alan Dershowitz, who at age eight, seems

700
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: to spend most of his free time defending the Trump

701
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: administration on TV. Responds to questions about his representation of

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00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Epstein with lines like I plead guilty to making a

703
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: deal that was favorable to my client. Kenneth Starr said,

704
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: I was happy to respond to the needs of a

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Speaker 1: client of the firm. When Daily Beast reporter Alexandra Wolfe

706
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: questioned theoretical physicist and professor Lawrence Krauss about his friend

707
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: and benefactor Jeff Epstein, Kraus said, quote, as a scientist,

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Speaker 1: I always judge things on empirical evidence, and he always

709
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Speaker 1: has women aged nineteen to twenty three around him. But

710
00:39:53,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything else normally. Yeah, that's a troubling

711
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: quote about shaking the show up and like doing something

712
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: that won't bump people out. Is that is that on

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Speaker 1: your list? Is like a Christmas episode we did, We

714
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: did that Christmas episode about Raoul Wallenberg, the guy who

715
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Speaker 1: saved a hundred thousand Jewish people during the Holocaust and

716
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: then got murdered by the Soviets. Okay, and that's your example,

717
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: is like a thing that doesn't bump people out? Yeah,

718
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: that that's that's upbeat for us. Okay, sure. Oh. Now.

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00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Epstein has of course continued to fight his accusers in

720
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: court over dozens of lawsuits across the last several years.

721
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: He settled a civil case against him just last December.

722
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: There is currently a pending suit in Florida that seeks

723
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: to throw out the entire non prosecution agreement against him

724
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: on the basis that it was illegal to make because

725
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: dozens of Epstein's victims were never given the chance to

726
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: know about it. So, Dan, I will end this on

727
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: a little bit of an upside note. It is still

728
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: possible that some version of justice will be done and

729
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: that some of his named and potential co conspirators might

730
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: finally have to spend time him in court. It's not

731
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: necessarily likely that this will happen, but it is possible.

732
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: That's the happiest, happiest ending I got for you, man.

733
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: Unlikely but possible. Yeah, Eventually justice might get done. All right,

734
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: that's that's a put that on au and then drive

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00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: that car right off a cliff and and Dan, I mean,

736
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: this is pretty bad. Alexander A. Costa was in line

737
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: to become the new Attorney General and then people made

738
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: a big fuss out of him letting this serial pedophile

739
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: off and he had to just stay the secretary of Labor.

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00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: That's a bummer for him and his family of goblins. Yeah,

741
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: and his family of goblins. I bet the health plan

742
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: isn't as good as Secretary of Labor. Yeah. Yeah, Hey man,

743
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: this sucks. This whole thing sucks that. This is a real, real,

744
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: real soul crush. Here. Can you tell me what Jeffrey

745
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: is doing right now? Uh? Spending most of his time

746
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: on his private island, still probably having a lot of

747
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: sex with very young people. Is he professionally, Like, does

748
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: he run a consulting firm? Is he still doing Yeah,

749
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: he still manages money. I suspect if he ever did

750
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: much of that. Like, that's the thing I have to wonder,

751
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Like the conspiratorial side of me thinks, like, yeah, ship,

752
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: maybe he was just pimping out kids and getting paid

753
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: by rich people for that. I don't know. It was

754
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: probably a mix. He probably did some financial stuff, but like, clearly,

755
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: who knows what he's doing now other than being impossibly wealthy. Uh,

756
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: in owning a house in Manhattan that could comfortably How's

757
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: ten thousand at least of the three thousand homeless kids

758
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: in the city I don't know, Dan WHOA You wanna

759
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: plug your Twitter? No? I don't. I mean I maintained

760
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: it pretty strict. I don't plug like Twitter Instagram, so

761
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like my least favorite part of

762
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: podcast when I guess the end, it's like said, where

763
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: can people find you online? I understand it's good for

764
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: creators to everything, much like as a podcast listener, I

765
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: hate it. UM. I will tell Children of the Night

766
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: dot org is a great organization. I mentioned it in

767
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: the last podcasts for children rescued from childhood prostitution. You

768
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: should support them in anyway you can. Um, I will

769
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: plug a thing that I was associated with, just because

770
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: there are other people who work there that aren't just me,

771
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: so it feels less selfish. I read for a show

772
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: called Last Week's Night. It requires a lot of work

773
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: from a lot of people. Were an amazing staff of writers, researchers, producers,

774
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: footage people, directors, and they all worked very hard, spend

775
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: a lot of time reading about horrible issues, same way

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00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: that Evans does, and then at the end of the

777
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: week we try to present that work to you in

778
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: a thirty minute occasionally funny, attempting to be funny, but

779
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: always trying to be informative format. Uh, lessons and jokes,

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00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: you know. So check out Last Week Tonight if you

781
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: have HBO. Yeah, check out Last Week Tonight. And I'm

782
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: gonna plug a thing, probably the worst. I'm gonna get fired.

783
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: That's probably the worst plug. I am going to plug

784
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: your books since you didn't if you if you could

785
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: use a pick me up after all of these horrible

786
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: stories of child molestation. Dan O'Brien has a really fun

787
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: and entertaining an educational book called How to Fight Presidents.

788
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: And after this episode, you probably want to fight a

789
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: couple of presidents. Yeah, the main one that you're gonna

790
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: want to fight, The main two that you're gonna want

791
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: to fight. Yeah, they're not featured in the book. They're

792
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: not apologized, but you can synthesize some of that information. Uh.

793
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: And and maybe this episode will get Dan talked to

794
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: by the Secret Service again. Yeah, or all pals at

795
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: this point they got you on speed dial. Well, I'm

796
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Robert Evans. I also think you should donate to Children

797
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: of the Night or volunteer if that is possible in

798
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: your area. Um and uh, now I'm going to seamlessly

799
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: transition to saying you can buy t shirts and hoodies

800
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: and stickers, uh from Martie Public store. Behind the Bastards. Uh,

801
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: we've got a Raoul Wallenberg hoodie. Save lives, do crimes.

802
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: That's that's my motto, not the kind of crimes Epstein did.

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00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Good are you? Are you still doing the Nazios one?

804
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: We do have nachos, not nazis, Doritos not dictators. Doritos

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00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: has not suit us for using the name of their products,

806
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: so that's counts as a kind of support. That's good. Yeah,

807
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: thanks John Dorrito. Well, you can find this podcast on

808
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram and at Bastards pod. You can find

809
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: us on the internet at behind the Bastards dot com

810
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: along with all of the articles and sources and stuff

811
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: for this this podcast of horrors. Uh. That's all. We'll

812
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: be back next week with something else that break your

813
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: heart in that you'll listen to for reasons that are

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Speaker 1: beyond my understanding. I love about h m hm