Speaker 1: Wine Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm so excited for today's episode because
Speaker 1: we have a additional guest on today. Of course, we've
Speaker 1: got Catherine and we've got Um, the one and only
Speaker 1: a little bit fancy Christen Breast. I'm not gonna have
Speaker 1: your phone. You've done this before, Breast. So I saw
Speaker 1: the rundown today and we have Um. Would you like
Speaker 1: to introduce who we have on today? I can't, I'm squeally.
Speaker 1: So I was like, there's only one at Texas Catherine.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know who we have to have
Speaker 1: on tomorrow, right, because like she's obsessed. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: so obsessed that she's dressed like Carrie Bradshaw today. It's
Speaker 1: a way of life, I like to think. But that's fine.
Speaker 1: It's not creepy. It's just supportive. Do you like the
Speaker 1: new season? I needed them back. I just needed them
Speaker 1: in my life. It feels like cozy and good and
Speaker 1: so for that, I love the new season. It's hard
Speaker 1: to watch some of it in which sense. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: if anybody has been under a rock, they know that
Speaker 1: Big is no longer with us. In a lot of ways, yikes,
Speaker 1: but Big dying was really hard for me. We made
Speaker 1: us all a widow, right, But where did you think
Speaker 1: the season was going to go if Big didn't die?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but some of plays happier I waited,
Speaker 1: like ten years or something. Yeah, I mean, I totally
Speaker 1: hear you. But at the same time, it's like the
Speaker 1: whole show is about like Carrie's love life. Okay, she's happy, great? Right?
Speaker 1: Who looks happily ever after? Apparently no one? And now
Speaker 1: you're all caught up on you. Oh lord, Um, it
Speaker 1: was funny. I was Can you shut that door? By
Speaker 1: the way, I hear the cuckoo clock? Just like, do
Speaker 1: you guys hear how loud that cucko clock? Is? No,
Speaker 1: not at all, but it's loud, right, I think it's
Speaker 1: just existing. But what are we shutting? This is? This
Speaker 1: is a good metaphor. Here we go. What are we
Speaker 1: shutting the door to right now? In our life? Oh?
Speaker 1: We just took a turn, we did. I love the turns.
Speaker 1: Thank you a little bit of fancy. What are you
Speaker 1: shutting the door on? Um, I'm shutting the door on control.
Speaker 1: I know it's a big one that just came to me.
Speaker 1: This week actually control freak, and I love my own plan,
Speaker 1: so I'm just releasing control. Were you in my therapy
Speaker 1: session yesterday or mine today? By the way, fun fact
Speaker 1: we all have the same therapist. Hi, Amy shout out
Speaker 1: to Refuge Center of Counseling in wrinkled Dennessey. I was
Speaker 1: just like I was because I was telling you that
Speaker 1: I had therapy yesterday, and I said, when do you
Speaker 1: see Amy next? So I just saw her yesterday and
Speaker 1: she was, oh, Catherine seeing her today? And I have
Speaker 1: a Friday for a sweet Amy. I wonder if sometimes
Speaker 1: she really does want to talk more about each other.
Speaker 1: Like I say things and I can see her face
Speaker 1: like make a twitch, and I'm like, well, Janna, and
Speaker 1: she's like and I was like, I know you can't
Speaker 1: confirm or deny that you have Janna Kramer is your impation.
Speaker 1: She gives you this look like stop pushing the hip
Speaker 1: hop policy, like get out of my life. I'm always
Speaker 1: like my friend, oh, I always say, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: Catherine said yeah, and then I was like and then
Speaker 1: I talked about Nick a little bit because we were
Speaker 1: how did I why I talk about because I said,
Speaker 1: like I appreciate um, like he's like a brother to
Speaker 1: me and so like because she was asking about Ian
Speaker 1: because she's very protecting. Yeah, and so she was just
Speaker 1: asking like that, I wanted to talk about you an
Speaker 1: end today, but I didn't. Why would you talk about
Speaker 1: us and your therapy ses? You talked about how we
Speaker 1: had a double the angle date the Angle, but did
Speaker 1: not know I pressed about the Angle. I was also like,
Speaker 1: the same reason you're talking about her husband and your
Speaker 1: therapy is the same reason she wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: your boyfriend and her therapy. But like, why I was
Speaker 1: talking about how we had like a double date and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you'll do that often. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, wanted to like, but I didn't. I came back.
Speaker 1: I came back. It was good. It was like talking
Speaker 1: about how it was fun, and it was what did
Speaker 1: you want to say, Catherine? I just wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about it. I wanted to like, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh, I would like for you guys do
Speaker 1: she would never she want to give me anything. But
Speaker 1: going back to control. It's interesting because I was in
Speaker 1: therapy yesterday and I just started that was what I'm
Speaker 1: so in church, we talked about fasting and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: get out of here, stop, this is okay, Like I
Speaker 1: could cry because I know this is divine timing. The
Speaker 1: fasting is control. Fasting is feasting. I can't handle you.
Speaker 1: I cannot handle it. This is what I'm fasting from
Speaker 1: me too. Well, we better hunker down together. One of
Speaker 1: us are good talk the fan. I can't inspect. I'm
Speaker 1: controlled too. I get it. But it's interesting because when
Speaker 1: I was sitting in church, I was like, you know
Speaker 1: where they were talking about fasting, how fasting is feasting,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't fast food because I already
Speaker 1: have a bad relationship with food generally. So I can't
Speaker 1: skip a meal because I already skip probably more than
Speaker 1: I should. I shouldn't say that, but you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, I don't have the greatest relationship to
Speaker 1: use God as my crutch for another reason not to
Speaker 1: eat food. And it's it's cool if you do, like
Speaker 1: you know people do, like a pastor. Kevin was saying,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't have to be food. It can be
Speaker 1: in social media. And because some people don't have great
Speaker 1: relationships with food, right, so fasting doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: just on food. So I was, you know, we had
Speaker 1: the moment of like song and then prayer. It's like,
Speaker 1: think about what you need to fast, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm like I had wine. I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm like I haven't drink in a week, you know.
Speaker 1: So I know everyone's like, wow, great job, thank youre
Speaker 1: longer than that before. Yeah, you're doing nine months. I
Speaker 1: was trying to give you a week. I tried. So
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there and I was just like
Speaker 1: and I started to cry, and I was like, where's
Speaker 1: the cry from? And it obviously involves Mike, but it's
Speaker 1: the control of that, Like, it's the control around all
Speaker 1: of it, trying to control his emotions, trying to control
Speaker 1: how he feels about me, trying to control my outcome
Speaker 1: of my relationship, trying to control and it was just
Speaker 1: like control, like I have to, like And so I
Speaker 1: brought that to Amy yesterday and I had like this
Speaker 1: mental breakdown with her because I was just like, I
Speaker 1: am terrified when I don't have control because I've never
Speaker 1: felt in control. Because it's like when my relationship, I
Speaker 1: never felt control because I'm like, who knew when Mike
Speaker 1: was gonna cheat on me? You know, would would not
Speaker 1: and not. Catherine, Sorry, are we winding down every week?
Speaker 1: I didn't say it. So yeah, So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was always like and I had to and I did.
Speaker 1: I became controlling in that relationship because I was so
Speaker 1: king terrified. Of course you were of him cheating again,
Speaker 1: and you know, of course, and so that that meet
Speaker 1: my stronghold on him, of course made him cheat more. Well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that that made him cheat. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna let you do that. It was probably a portion
Speaker 1: of it. Oh that's not a fair Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's the fair thing to say. Now, you might have
Speaker 1: tried to deal with that with control. You tried to
Speaker 1: deal with him cheating with control, but that didn't cause
Speaker 1: him to do anything. He already did it. He makes
Speaker 1: his own choices. I still struggle with that piece. I
Speaker 1: just want to keep on mind. Yeah, thank you for
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm not going to let I'm not going
Speaker 1: to let that be about something you did. But if
Speaker 1: I didn't do what you're right, you're right, and then
Speaker 1: he just like a period at the end of the
Speaker 1: time period and we're done commas. Yeah, okay, so that's
Speaker 1: and so then the next relationship now with you know,
Speaker 1: or just anything in general. I'm just like and then
Speaker 1: we start talking about food because eating is always on
Speaker 1: my case, like you need to eat, you need to eat,
Speaker 1: And then I'm like no, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: The last time I was controlling food was when I
Speaker 1: was so terrified about the mic stuff. And so then
Speaker 1: I'm now controlling what I eat because that's what I
Speaker 1: can control. We are best friends for a reason. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so it's like I won't eat so for example,
Speaker 1: I won't eat what he says to eat because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get to control what I eat. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So that's what like sat in with me,
Speaker 1: but put your foot down with the cheeseburger, like healthy
Speaker 1: or not HEALTHI or whatever it is, or if it's
Speaker 1: just unhealthy, no anything as Yeah, okay, that's what I
Speaker 1: was energy. But unfortunately it's very unhealthy habits that I
Speaker 1: have right now with food. So I'm learning because like
Speaker 1: he wants me to eat healthier, you know, not healthier.
Speaker 1: He wants me to not eat bars my entire meals. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you do feed yourself like a hamster to pet store.
Speaker 1: I mean there's eat. I don't want people to think
Speaker 1: thank you. Definitely eat and you eat often, you eat
Speaker 1: every two hours or whatever. But I think what he's
Speaker 1: trying to get you to do is eat. Okay, well
Speaker 1: lately I haven't been doing that, and that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Okay he used to, so I used to. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so now that's somewhere and so now because I've lost
Speaker 1: control of got it, got it Mike and the marriage
Speaker 1: and new situations that I've gone back to, like not
Speaker 1: being healthy. Is that more recent or since the divorce,
Speaker 1: because I think I'm now out of control, Like I
Speaker 1: can't control. I don't know what's going to happen in
Speaker 1: a new relationship. So it's like a so I kind
Speaker 1: of had that like breakthrough and then with the church
Speaker 1: thing and then so yeah, it's but it's like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to fast control. Well, we're going to do it.
Speaker 1: How do we do it? So every time I approach,
Speaker 1: we have I know, someone to pray. Someone needs to
Speaker 1: know what that sounds when you're trying to because okay,
Speaker 1: I have to at least have my protein after I
Speaker 1: run there we go, Yeah, no, it's good. You need
Speaker 1: your protein shape so when you're trying to control a situation,
Speaker 1: you are to stop and pray because we're not in control.
Speaker 1: But I do that too, and then I get exhausted,
Speaker 1: like a different kind of tired, because I it's exhausting
Speaker 1: trying to control things, and it's it's tiring. I can't
Speaker 1: do it. So every time now I just go I
Speaker 1: say out loud, like I trust you God. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So what Amy told me, what might she might tell
Speaker 1: you to is to write it, start like combined sessions
Speaker 1: and save a little or a little like I know
Speaker 1: what a bogo is, but is there like or something,
Speaker 1: because is the problem sermon and getting one twenty every
Speaker 1: three times a week. Amy's like, yeah, actually I've heard
Speaker 1: this one before. Oh bless her. Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to get back on this topic. Said She
Speaker 1: basically said, write it like I have it, basically like
Speaker 1: how you feel now and how you feel at the
Speaker 1: end of the month when you have released some of
Speaker 1: that control. So it's like situations with like Mike, like today,
Speaker 1: like I had a situation with him when he came
Speaker 1: to the door, and it's like I wanted to say something,
Speaker 1: but it's like I just prayed, and like, I can't
Speaker 1: control his reactions, nor can I control how he speaks.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna good for you and I and
Speaker 1: I felt it, I prayed, I released it, and now
Speaker 1: I'm going to write about it because by the end
Speaker 1: of it, hopefully it's not going to have that start
Speaker 1: like that hold on us, the heaviness. And I want
Speaker 1: to go to your control in your session. But first
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a break because we've got to
Speaker 1: talk sex, and we've got to talk the city, Sex
Speaker 1: in the City. You're back, I all right. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna have Candice Bushnell on. UM. She basically is the
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw she has. She's the one who wrote Sex
Speaker 1: in the City, she had the column, um, and so
Speaker 1: we're going to have her on to talk about all
Speaker 1: things sexy city, how it started and um, let's get
Speaker 1: her on him on. Now are you got hi love?
Speaker 1: How are you good? How are you? I'm good? I'm Janna.
Speaker 1: This is Catherine, This is Kristen, or I should say
Speaker 1: like she's you. She dressed like Carrie. It's intense. Is
Speaker 1: it too soon, Candice? Is it too soon to show you?
Speaker 1: My God? That's crazy? She's showing, although I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever actually worn it to too. No, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: plenty of times. Yeah, I don't think I have ever
Speaker 1: worn one. Well, great, I've got bike shorts under have
Speaker 1: you ever heard those? Because I can take this right
Speaker 1: off and we can just start over. My short time
Speaker 1: were all the time? Great, So let me just reintroduce
Speaker 1: myself and I kidding, Oh my god. I did wear
Speaker 1: a two two once to one of the one of
Speaker 1: the premiers. I can't remember which one. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: the third, maybe it was the third season. I love
Speaker 1: it gave permission. I've never been coordinated like some of
Speaker 1: my friends on this couch. I mean, I'm in I
Speaker 1: just ran and I'm in sweatpants and running shoes. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like you're coordinated. You used to do figure
Speaker 1: skating that color coordinating. I was like no, no, like
Speaker 1: as a runner. It was this gave me the permission.
Speaker 1: That was the permission slip I needed to wear a
Speaker 1: two two that I would have another I would have
Speaker 1: not otherwise been in ever in my life because I'm
Speaker 1: not a ballerina. So okay, we have to talk sex
Speaker 1: in the city because obviously, I mean, it's a show
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with. Um, continue to watch. I mean
Speaker 1: when I was on the road, my band guys would
Speaker 1: hear like the open credits and nearly up there she
Speaker 1: goes like she's watching Sex in the City again. Um,
Speaker 1: but for you, like where like you started? When did
Speaker 1: you start writing your columns? Probably before you were born? Um? No,
Speaker 1: girl thirty eight? Like it's a thing, which is why
Speaker 1: when I went out for The Carry Diaries, because I'm
Speaker 1: also an actress, I was like, I'm way too old,
Speaker 1: Like I can't take that. I love The Carry Diaries
Speaker 1: so good. It was such a cute show. I don't understand,
Speaker 1: like why it didn't continue on did you watch it?
Speaker 1: I did watch it, and it didn't continue. I know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We need to know. Do you want
Speaker 1: to bring it back? I know a great carry right
Speaker 1: all you know. I think they've all grown up now,
Speaker 1: so whatever. But your auditioned for the Carry Diaries, that's great.
Speaker 1: I did it was it was quite a long time ago.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I was I was too old.
Speaker 1: It's it's all good, no no hard feelings, It's totally fine.
Speaker 1: But this is like, this is a good time for
Speaker 1: me to tell you I wasn't actively participating in the cast.
Speaker 1: Remember if I was, I was a lot in Lipstick Jungle.
Speaker 1: It just depends. Yeah, I had so Rob. I was
Speaker 1: on on One Tree Hill, and so Rob who was
Speaker 1: on Lipstick Jungle. And I loved that show. And I
Speaker 1: guess I was so angry that that one didn't continue
Speaker 1: on too. Do you say, oh, that was just so.
Speaker 1: It was steamy, it was fun, it was like sexy.
Speaker 1: I loved all of it. And I love those actresses,
Speaker 1: I love the stories. I think it was weirdly, it
Speaker 1: was a little bit ahead of its time because mhm.
Speaker 1: It was a little too feminist in a way, because
Speaker 1: that was the time when when you know, it was
Speaker 1: all about getting married and marrying Mr Big and remember
Speaker 1: all these actresses were saying like, I'm not a feminist,
Speaker 1: So it was a little ahead of its time. The
Speaker 1: idea of you know, the girl Boss women Boss people
Speaker 1: were still like, oh they must be bitches night, bitches night,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Line podcast. I love my agent. My agents
Speaker 1: always like if I had five cents for every time
Speaker 1: someone called me a bitch, I'd be rich. I that's
Speaker 1: always like so annoying because it's like I remember My
Speaker 1: ex used to be like, you know, you're you're too
Speaker 1: hard like but you can talk that it same way
Speaker 1: and it's fine for you. But yet I'm bitchy like
Speaker 1: I just it just doesn't I don't. I don't like
Speaker 1: that at all. But who reached out to you to
Speaker 1: have sex in the City like actually become a show
Speaker 1: from your column? A lot of people? Really, yes, a
Speaker 1: lot of people. HBO was always after me and New
Speaker 1: Line and Fine Line and ABC. So there were probably
Speaker 1: there were at least three movie companies that wanted to
Speaker 1: buy it. And I did go out to l A.
Speaker 1: But you know, they really did. They didn't have a clue.
Speaker 1: Like at that time New York and l A. The
Speaker 1: sensibilities were so different. Like sex in the City, it
Speaker 1: could never ever come out of a writer's room. There's
Speaker 1: no way, like writers could ever come up with that.
Speaker 1: TV writers could never ever come up with sex in
Speaker 1: the City. HBO was interested and ABC was interested. And
Speaker 1: in that time I had also met Darren Starr. How
Speaker 1: did you guys meet? We met because I did a
Speaker 1: story about him for No magazine because he was doing
Speaker 1: Central Park West. I don't know if you guys from
Speaker 1: over that show I remember it. I didn't want it
Speaker 1: lasted for one season and it was Mariel Yeah, Mariel
Speaker 1: hemy white um. And and then he decided to do
Speaker 1: so I met him and and then he said he
Speaker 1: wanted to do Sex in the City. And I Darren
Speaker 1: was somebody who I knew. I've been hanging out with
Speaker 1: him a bit. I'd shown him New York and he
Speaker 1: did Melrose Place in nine O two one oh, which
Speaker 1: were huge, and we just had a really good time
Speaker 1: and Darren had a great sense of humor and we
Speaker 1: were laughing about everything. So I thought, well, I'll sell
Speaker 1: it to Darren Starr, which was actually a really smart
Speaker 1: thing to do now that I looked back, because you know,
Speaker 1: when you sell something to TV, you still have to
Speaker 1: find that producer m hm. You know, it's like a
Speaker 1: whole deal making a TV show. You know, there's like
Speaker 1: the showrunner and the producer. That's the person who wants
Speaker 1: to be on the set every day. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be on the set every day. Did you want
Speaker 1: to be in the writing room at all? Like, did
Speaker 1: you did you feel like Territorial was in the writing
Speaker 1: room for the first two seasons A bit. It's not
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I was a novelist. Being a
Speaker 1: TV writer was not considered. And I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: it was something that I never even knew that that
Speaker 1: was a job when I was younger. Um, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's not as it wasn't quite as cool as you know,
Speaker 1: being a novelist. I still don't think it is. So
Speaker 1: there's my two cents where you can't us. I still
Speaker 1: think you're the o G. So I read and I
Speaker 1: do have like some sort of mom dementia at this
Speaker 1: point because I have two little kids and so really
Speaker 1: I don't have any of my together. But I do
Speaker 1: have this question. I thought I read somewhere that when
Speaker 1: it started, you were I hope I'm not just just
Speaker 1: love me through this, but were you with Cary Bradshaw,
Speaker 1: your alter ego, Like you wrote it as a carry Bradshaw,
Speaker 1: like that's you. But no, I when I was writing
Speaker 1: the column my parents, I think I'd written like one
Speaker 1: or two columns. I went to a sex club and
Speaker 1: I just did a one woman show which was called
Speaker 1: is There Still Sex in the City? And this is
Speaker 1: one of the stories I tell how I created sex
Speaker 1: in the City. Um, why I invented Carrie Bradshaw. And
Speaker 1: the reason is that I went to a sex club
Speaker 1: and then my parents called up and said, oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna read. We've taken a subscription to the New York Observer,
Speaker 1: and my parents are really conservative. They were really conservative,
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I always have to
Speaker 1: worry about what my parents think. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's so much more I probably would have done
Speaker 1: and written, if you know, not for my parents, who
Speaker 1: were very judgy. So I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: So I just came up with this name, Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 1: That was my alter ego. So I I was basically
Speaker 1: the narrator and Carrie Bradshaw was my alter ego, so
Speaker 1: and I made her kind of I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just I had sort of fun with the character. I
Speaker 1: felt like the character didn't necessarily have to be nice.
Speaker 1: So were the girls then, like Charlotte, Miranda, Samantha not
Speaker 1: your They were like, were they also loosely based off
Speaker 1: of just the friends around you? Is what I have? Yes,
Speaker 1: but I had a lot of friends, so in the
Speaker 1: book there are they're like way more women. But when
Speaker 1: you make a TV show, the first thing you do
Speaker 1: is well, we have to we can't have more than
Speaker 1: four characters. We can't have put more than four women
Speaker 1: because the audience won't keep track of them. And obviously
Speaker 1: they have more women on Real Housewives. But you know
Speaker 1: that's just a sort of standard TV formula. Sure, And
Speaker 1: did some of the characters kind of fold into each
Speaker 1: other then, like some of your book characters kind of
Speaker 1: get adopted by the four main Yes. And in the book,
Speaker 1: one friend would say a couple of different things to me,
Speaker 1: and I would make them into two people to describe
Speaker 1: people's identity, et cetera. So I'm curious, are you watching
Speaker 1: the news the New And just like that, are you
Speaker 1: watching the New I've watched a couple of episodes. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about I think it's very Sarah Jessica
Speaker 1: Parker and Michael Patrick King, and I think it's very
Speaker 1: very in line with their creativity, their idea of what's good.
Speaker 1: And I feel like my sensibility is the TV show
Speaker 1: Sex in the City. It's like that sensibility of you know,
Speaker 1: women of life, of the absurdism of life is something,
Speaker 1: you know, the social observation, the very detailed social observation
Speaker 1: where and I've been compared to Jane Austen many times. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what I do. And I feel like
Speaker 1: that's in all of my books. It's in Lipstick Jungle somewhat.
Speaker 1: I would have liked to have it more and the
Speaker 1: Carry Diaries. So I feel like that's my sensibility and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to bring to everything that I do.
Speaker 1: It's the sensibility of there're still sex in the city. Candice.
Speaker 1: You you created a freedom that you don't even it's
Speaker 1: gonna long outlive anything else. Like, it's really you've You've
Speaker 1: created a legacy. It's your observations really paved the way
Speaker 1: in every character and just the empowerment that we all
Speaker 1: could have. I mean, I know you probably hear that
Speaker 1: and it sounds cliche or whatever, but it does matter.
Speaker 1: From tinytown girls in Selene, Michigan watching your show going
Speaker 1: like I want to do that. Yeah, I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I think that's really important. That's really what it's about,
Speaker 1: is giving women a different way to look at their lives. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it seems crazy, but thirty years ago, even
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, we were really saying go to college,
Speaker 1: don't get married, and have kids and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: but you can't really be independent. You don't get that
Speaker 1: sex in the city time in your life to figure
Speaker 1: out who you are, what you're about, who you want
Speaker 1: to be with, and what you want to pursue and
Speaker 1: make friends. And I feel like now you do and
Speaker 1: now you have that Yes, yeah, like this, you know
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, thank you so much, Candice. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you guys. Bye bye. There's something to
Speaker 1: be said to about what you just said. Um, I
Speaker 1: was sweating? Are you good? Sweating? Feeling good? How's that control?
Speaker 1: Are you controlling your sweating? I had to control a
Speaker 1: lot of things. I felt like a buddy the alph
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm in love with you and I
Speaker 1: don't care, knows it? Like I just really had to
Speaker 1: calm it down. It's fine, everything's fine. And also the
Speaker 1: fifty pounds of tool doesn't help the heat. Well, you
Speaker 1: got those biker shorts on. Not to breathe both fabric.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and we'll go back with some control. Okay,
Speaker 1: So about your therapy session, how to go cat It
Speaker 1: was good. It was pretty light today. We discovered that
Speaker 1: I was I thought I was the wrong indiogram number.
Speaker 1: What do you mean did you redo a test? I did? Office, No,
Speaker 1: I had done it. I needed to read before I went,
Speaker 1: and then we read through a lot of the books.
Speaker 1: What did you think you were? A five? Which it's
Speaker 1: very rare, but I think it's like basically like they're
Speaker 1: like hermits, but they like a lot of information, and
Speaker 1: since I like to be alone, I think that that's
Speaker 1: where that kind of came from. But I'm actually an
Speaker 1: eight the challenge, yes, but I have like little things
Speaker 1: that no, no, no, A healthy aid is good? Oh
Speaker 1: is Mike Kate? If you think back, there are things
Speaker 1: that were similar about us. I mean, I'll admit that,
Speaker 1: but you're a healthy version because I could I could
Speaker 1: understand him when he wanted to be alone or when
Speaker 1: he needed I could understand that part of him, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand there's choices, and there's ways to be healthy,
Speaker 1: and there's ways to you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: positives to eight. Unhalthy dates are they're they're a racissists? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's literally yeah, unhealthy. I mean they had so
Speaker 1: there's like the healthy version of any number, and then
Speaker 1: like the okay version of every number, and then the unhealthy,
Speaker 1: and then below that's the personality disorders, and I think
Speaker 1: borderline personality disorder and narcissism are its eights what they
Speaker 1: go to when they're at like the lowest lowe Well,
Speaker 1: what Amy told me today is it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: So thanks guys. Well, healthy as make the world go
Speaker 1: around because you challenge and you don't just accept information
Speaker 1: for the way it comes, and you are like you're
Speaker 1: like a pathmaker. Yeah. It was like she had me
Speaker 1: read things and she was like, you know, call out
Speaker 1: the ones that feel true to you, and I would
Speaker 1: say a majority of them did, but some of them
Speaker 1: didn't too, So I still feel like I'm a mix.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so that was good. That's good. Yeah, sorry
Speaker 1: to mean to trigger you, but that doesn't I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like in a funny way. Yeah, what are you? I'm
Speaker 1: a two? I know right now, I'm an unhealthy to
Speaker 1: know you're a healthy too, I mean, but I'm also
Speaker 1: like to a detriment. Oh yeah, well I codependency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a Wing one, rules matter, I think I'm Wing three.
Speaker 1: What's three? You're definitely wing three? Yeah? The achiever? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so great. It's like what makes everybody everybody? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to say anything bad about your right,
Speaker 1: I just I just I just think about I just
Speaker 1: I just I just shed an eight. It's actually perfect.
Speaker 1: So but you know, underneath its are actually very loving.
Speaker 1: It's just hard for people to see it. Maybe not.
Speaker 1: You're right. I actually have always hugged you aggressively every
Speaker 1: time I see you, so it probably is a lot
Speaker 1: for you. But I don't think you're like an unapproachable
Speaker 1: I think you're a very healthy eight. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: love I think I think a healthy it is actually hot.
Speaker 1: It's the unhealthies. Well, they're like boss babes. They're like
Speaker 1: kind of make sure happen. I wonder what what's Preston
Speaker 1: A nine? What's that peacekeeper? Oh m hm, huh what's
Speaker 1: She asked me that today and I couldn't remember. What
Speaker 1: is three? Achiever? No? Two is like a helper, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a helper, like I'm gonna help you. Remember she
Speaker 1: actually just emailed me before and said, have Nick take
Speaker 1: this and then go to this website and see how
Speaker 1: you'll work together. I need to I need Ian to
Speaker 1: take it. Okay, so I bet he's going to be
Speaker 1: If he's an eight, I have to break up with him. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I feel so triggered right now to Okay, maybe that's
Speaker 1: why we worked, Janna. Maybe I'm a challenger, but I
Speaker 1: also challenge you know it's good. I'm not just a
Speaker 1: yes person for you, Janna, I contured to who thinks
Speaker 1: he's a curious person. Oh, we had a We had
Speaker 1: one that said that I just have yes people are
Speaker 1: on me. I'm like the guy I do your challenger
Speaker 1: like people are like, I got this one challenging my
Speaker 1: ass all the time. Definitely in a tough like, in
Speaker 1: a loving but not loving like, in a like she's
Speaker 1: loving You're in like a like I got your like?
Speaker 1: Can I give you something that? Can I tell you something? Yeah? God,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? I'm sorry. I actually talked about
Speaker 1: this in therapy. I didn't say your name, but actually
Speaker 1: talked this about this in therapy because it triggered me majorly.
Speaker 1: The other day. It was it was myself. You were
Speaker 1: talking about your friends, and you said, I have the
Speaker 1: one that is that is tough love, and then I
Speaker 1: have the loving ones. And so I went to Amy
Speaker 1: and I was like people don't see me as loving,
Speaker 1: and she was like, I know, I know, but that's
Speaker 1: been one of my things. Yeah, I think you're extra loving.
Speaker 1: She doesn't. But in a relationship though, like I, you
Speaker 1: don't have to do that for me, probably like tough love.
Speaker 1: I'm tough. I'm hard enough on myself time out. There's
Speaker 1: a but you know the difference, right First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, I feel so bad.
Speaker 1: You know that's on that's on me, Like that's my like,
Speaker 1: well that's what we're working through. Yeah, m hmm. But
Speaker 1: I'm just there. But maybe I can say it in
Speaker 1: a different way. But like I I just go to
Speaker 1: the like that day of the next day after I
Speaker 1: filed for divorce, that's the day that I go to
Speaker 1: Are you getting I'm sorry right now? No, I mean
Speaker 1: this is my well, see in my mind, in my mind,
Speaker 1: the day after the divorce, that's what you needed I did.
Speaker 1: But it's clearly not yeah I did, she needed you. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is like maybe I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: actually good because that friendships. I think that people tune
Speaker 1: into you a lot of times for your friendships. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know when you pay something about me. People will
Speaker 1: write to me right away and they're like, I wish
Speaker 1: I had this. I wish that I had what you
Speaker 1: all have. There's this thing you guys have and we
Speaker 1: m bring different things. It's a very real sense of
Speaker 1: like life. Like we're not sugarcoating, We're not I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I think this is a good thing. Like
Speaker 1: the way you work with your friends and the way
Speaker 1: we're all honest with each other. Like if you say
Speaker 1: things that are tough to me, it's hard for me.
Speaker 1: That's why you don't say those things, don't You Guys
Speaker 1: are like Kristen, Like Janna has spoken over me about
Speaker 1: my marriage at times and been like a very truth
Speaker 1: teller for me, and times where now I'll get emotional,
Speaker 1: He's like, what have I not done better than this?
Speaker 1: It's just like watching your kids perform at competition and anyways,
Speaker 1: it just is like the realness is what we all need.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like I mean I when I
Speaker 1: said to you it was time with Mike, which I
Speaker 1: felt like I really was an advocate from Mike. I
Speaker 1: felt like I really tried to graciously assume and was
Speaker 1: very pro team marriage for you guys. But like when
Speaker 1: I was like, it's time, Like I like when you
Speaker 1: texted me it's time, that's when I go, oh, like
Speaker 1: because you've never said that. You've always been like I
Speaker 1: got your back, no matter what you can and put
Speaker 1: him in the back. Yeah, like I got you, like
Speaker 1: no either way. But like when you said it's time,
Speaker 1: that's all you said. I mean that, Like that was
Speaker 1: my like, oh we are or here. But then Catherine's
Speaker 1: teamwork and all that is. So there's a conversation happening
Speaker 1: with you on a group text, and then there's a
Speaker 1: conversation happening without you on a group text, and all
Speaker 1: four you're good and all things we would say in
Speaker 1: front of you, but we're not going to flood you.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing was bad. But it was like Catherine
Speaker 1: going like I've seen this. I don't want her to
Speaker 1: I don't want her to back out, like we have
Speaker 1: to keep moving forward, and we're all like you have
Speaker 1: to keep moving forward. And Catherine also had that side
Speaker 1: of her, which was the business side, so she could
Speaker 1: say like listen, we've got to we've got things to do.
Speaker 1: But without Catherine, I mean, I know, I just would
Speaker 1: have been like, Okay, we're going back in again. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why you're critical, is what I'm saying, honest, And
Speaker 1: I shouldn't and I apologize. I should apologie. I shouldn't separate.
Speaker 1: You just give me more tough love. And I do
Speaker 1: need that though, and so but it's not but you're
Speaker 1: not not loving right again? Yeah, no, I it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good thing for me to hear because
Speaker 1: then I could take it in because she has said
Speaker 1: that to me before, in a sense that like, you
Speaker 1: don't feel like people see you as loving. And so
Speaker 1: then that happened and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're right. I don't anyway. So oh good, do you
Speaker 1: have any emotions when I share it? Because I love
Speaker 1: it when you cry? Get over here, good, let me
Speaker 1: hold you too much therapy. You're so loving, You're so loving,
Speaker 1: a very healthy because there's no you're any tough loving
Speaker 1: yourself out of having loving yourself, Gavil. And now I
Speaker 1: feel bad because I hate it on your number, I
Speaker 1: called like now I just feel like now, no, I
Speaker 1: just know I'm Candice told me straight up she's never
Speaker 1: working duels. I think there's no one want to talk
Speaker 1: about what I'm going to talk to Amy about on
Speaker 1: Friday because I just feel like I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm the girl. I just I am sorry. I think
Speaker 1: you have I love that you're innate to the new podcast.
Speaker 1: He appreciate it is where I could though, even though
Speaker 1: I wanted you to leave Mike, I could understand him
Speaker 1: at times, not with cheating, but I could understand him,
Speaker 1: and I do think that helped it times a lot
Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, but and you are loving, very loving,
Speaker 1: but I think you block. Which No, that's an eight.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's an eight. It's like underneath
Speaker 1: they have a very loving and if they're passionate about something,
Speaker 1: they will go to war for it. But it's hard
Speaker 1: to kind of show that what blocks it. I'd love
Speaker 1: to understand that. Listen to my next couple of years
Speaker 1: of therapy. Just come with us. I'll let you know.
Speaker 1: I mean we all have. You know I've got blocks
Speaker 1: of why, Well, you've got blocks. I'm just like from
Speaker 1: from like showing that, showing it. I will say, from
Speaker 1: my experience, tell me, if this resonates with you at all,
Speaker 1: I block because growing up I could not. My feelings
Speaker 1: were not honored. So to have a feeling didn't mean much,
Speaker 1: so I would pick a second or third feeling that
Speaker 1: could fit into this really dysfunctional family system. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the mike went down, and I
Speaker 1: was like, gosh, yeah, for sure. But I feel like
Speaker 1: eye blocked because I'm like, well, what I have to
Speaker 1: say ultimately doesn't feel very important. I think it's a
Speaker 1: mix of that and I think I learned today with
Speaker 1: an eight too. It's it seems weak and so like
Speaker 1: we pride ourselves on being strong and independent and it
Speaker 1: makes us feel weak. There's another part of it, but yes,
Speaker 1: childhood stuff for sure. That's interesting. That makes you feel
Speaker 1: weak very eight. Yeah, you're such a leader. I feel
Speaker 1: like leaders are eight. They are for sure. I mean
Speaker 1: two s, which is over here trying to help each
Speaker 1: other out so much we can get out of the house.
Speaker 1: So that's why the eights really happen. A yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's such another come to the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I love everything you're doing. Insane and she's just helpful.
Speaker 1: She's just so like I even said to my friend
Speaker 1: Heather on the way here, I was like, Janna just
Speaker 1: makes me feel like I'm a person, a whole person,
Speaker 1: like I don't have to. Well, on another note, I
Speaker 1: think Amy would be very proud of us because we're
Speaker 1: all therapy therapy, therapy being everybody we should have ever
Speaker 1: listen to this episode? Um, I have a question? Can
Speaker 1: I ask a question? Before we leave? I need to
Speaker 1: figure out what Ian's number is? Though, Yeah, okay, if
Speaker 1: he isn't eight, you cannot just take that and let
Speaker 1: that be. I need him to read the thing. Don't
Speaker 1: take the test. I've taken three works on the book
Speaker 1: today and it was great. It's so good. We don't
Speaker 1: have to read the whole thing. But the road back
Speaker 1: to use the best way to figure out your own number,
Speaker 1: and then the path between us is the best book
Speaker 1: for how to iniogram each other. Okay, yeah, I I
Speaker 1: just I need him to He's guys, he's great. Can
Speaker 1: I ask a question? I was actually thinking this yesterday.
Speaker 1: I just wonder, like, do you and Ian ever fight?
Speaker 1: Are we just and shirtless make out? Gosh? Like I
Speaker 1: want to know for real, because I haven't heard about
Speaker 1: any fight. I mean, you're around more than I am.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't, but I'm like, we haven't fought
Speaker 1: with him and him he's like really great. Um, no,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just me, honestly, story of our lives.
Speaker 1: Like I just I still um I read this quote
Speaker 1: or actually I think I put it up on my
Speaker 1: Instagram the other day. I put it up there yesterday
Speaker 1: and it was I'm gonna tell it to you right now.
Speaker 1: It is. Um. Yes, toxic relationships are hard, but do
Speaker 1: you know what else is hard? Your first healthy relationship
Speaker 1: after a toxic one. No One talks about how hard
Speaker 1: it is to unlearn all the toxic behaviors you adapted
Speaker 1: as a coping mechanism. How hard is it to convince
Speaker 1: yourself that you're safe now? And like even just like
Speaker 1: the other night, we were talking about something and I
Speaker 1: just like immediately shut off because he said something and
Speaker 1: it made me feel stupid. He wasn't trying to make
Speaker 1: me feel stupid, but like Mike always made me feel
Speaker 1: stupid because he'd be like, what don't you understand about that?
Speaker 1: And like the irony of that sentence is really something
Speaker 1: to me. And I'm not trying to hate on him,
Speaker 1: but Mike making you feel stupid is really ironic to me.
Speaker 1: Continue but I just immediately shut off and he was
Speaker 1: like WHOA, Like what, like you know what's the change,
Speaker 1: and I was just like nothing. So it's like me
Speaker 1: trying to like like it's just like and bless and
Speaker 1: he's just like he just sits there and then I
Speaker 1: and I feel like his like he's like, I'm trying
Speaker 1: so hard to not say anything that's going to trigger
Speaker 1: you or you know. He's like, I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: all the right things and I'm trying to you know,
Speaker 1: you know, not say it like this, or say it
Speaker 1: like this or not trigger this. And he's like, it's
Speaker 1: just really hard. And I'm just like, I like felt
Speaker 1: his like he's like exhausted and he's tired. And then
Speaker 1: I feel bad Preston is gonna want to tune into
Speaker 1: this part of the butt. It is hard, though you
Speaker 1: have someone that actually like cares. You're so used to
Speaker 1: the bottom falling out that you're like, well, let me
Speaker 1: guess when the bomb's gonna fall it next to I
Speaker 1: can just get ahead of it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why don't you just leave? I just just you know,
Speaker 1: just just leave, you know what I want to leave? Anyways, boy,
Speaker 1: you say that to him? I did. It was really mean.
Speaker 1: I had to stopped saying that. Um, how does he
Speaker 1: handle that like a seal like a seal? No. It
Speaker 1: was one time and I told Amy about it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I was so upset. It was so hard,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was just because I was
Speaker 1: just I was seeing how far I can push, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, when I've done this before, I was either
Speaker 1: abused physically and mentally emotionally or they leave or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna see what I can say or do
Speaker 1: and see, like I'm going to test him because I
Speaker 1: know he's going to leave. I know he's gonna walk
Speaker 1: out that door. And I mean I said some really
Speaker 1: like not nice things to the point where I still
Speaker 1: like we'll cry about And I was like bawling telling
Speaker 1: Amy it, and I go, what hurt the worst is
Speaker 1: how he responded, and she goes, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: She's like, he put his head down, he looked at
Speaker 1: at me, and he goes, you're the most beautiful, loving
Speaker 1: person I've ever met. He goes, but your words really
Speaker 1: hurt you, guys, and I and I literally started like
Speaker 1: wailing balling because I was like, that was not what
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to say. I thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna be like, yeah, you you you know or
Speaker 1: whatever or like lash back out at me. And that
Speaker 1: was like and not for me was the switch to
Speaker 1: like and I was just like, oh, you're not Mike
Speaker 1: and you're not like but like and and Amy she goes,
Speaker 1: you know, she's like, it's so interesting. She's like when
Speaker 1: I go to abuse shelters or women that have been
Speaker 1: in like those situations or narcissism or whatever, She's like,
Speaker 1: those girls are tough and they're mean and they say
Speaker 1: things because that's like that is there, That's the protection.
Speaker 1: She's like, And I'm like, and then yeah, and then me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't know when that's gonna anyways,
Speaker 1: I get to talk about this forever. But control, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we all have. I've learned one thing in
Speaker 1: my life and then my two marriages, boys leave in
Speaker 1: men's day, So um, I love Ian. And I was
Speaker 1: saying though in therapy about the whole control thing with
Speaker 1: Amy or is just like, but when is it going
Speaker 1: to be Like I'm thinking, like, I'm sure he's talking
Speaker 1: to someone in his dam so I'm sure like he's
Speaker 1: because they lie, but that's what I've known, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course he's going to your brain. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: so used to looking for that for thinking that's happening,
Speaker 1: and it's it's always been like ten out of ten times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's where I'm at. It's like I'll just
Speaker 1: guess where the boom is gonna fall because it's easier
Speaker 1: or or I do it. That's that's what I'm trying.
Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to do that night, like
Speaker 1: a month ago. I was literally saying the nastiest things.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know he's gonna come back at me
Speaker 1: and like start yelling or be defensive and like he's
Speaker 1: going to walk out and slam the door. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me just get it over with, let
Speaker 1: me just end this real fast. And then he said that,
Speaker 1: and I was just like sweet, So I'm just so afraid,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, but that was a good response for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that was hard. I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: know that was hard to hear, but then that allowed
Speaker 1: you to then break down and see that versus then
Speaker 1: just going back and forth. And I just like how
Speaker 1: he sees you, Like he really sees you as a person,
Speaker 1: and it really just matters. I mean, he's not but
Speaker 1: again I'm like, I go to this place. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but he here's the thing, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm fasting. I can't control no matter what. I trust
Speaker 1: you God. I trust you God. And if it's not
Speaker 1: the one I know, I'm not going to die because
Speaker 1: I did. I die from my divorce. Nope, I'm still here.
Speaker 1: We're laughing, we're loving. So God, that was a good fast.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to control it. Well, you can't and
Speaker 1: we won't because we're gonna be tired. So i'd rather
Speaker 1: be what's our chance. I feel like we can't, we won't. Er. Yes,
Speaker 1: I watched it. I fast forward to the end. I
Speaker 1: had to know. Did you cry? I was? I cried
Speaker 1: at the end. I cried in five and um and
Speaker 1: I they're exchange. I got me. Oh with Darius Bald's
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm talking about. Bald Exchanged just killed me.
Speaker 1: But I was like, he he got so upset about
Speaker 1: this is like totally going on. Sorry, guys, like we're
Speaker 1: like just like having around. This is like welcome to
Speaker 1: our girl chat time. This is this is the most
Speaker 1: like real lifetime right now. We're running a little late. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but no with cheer Ladarius like he was so upset
Speaker 1: about her doing Dance with the Stars, like she abandoned him.
Speaker 1: But it was like she he thinks that's his mom,
Speaker 1: that's his childhood trauma. Man, And I was just dress.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, lailed me. I can't. I can't even think.
Speaker 1: I'm just so happy that they had that. And I
Speaker 1: loved how she said, I think this doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be on camera. Oh there's still fighting. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out. If somebody wants to
Speaker 1: let me know, that'd be great because I'm like trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Please. Um, but like her crying
Speaker 1: and then oh, just I can't. But I will say
Speaker 1: to the whole I don't understand how Trinity one. Sorry
Speaker 1: spoiler alert major spoiler alert. Um, I mean either because
Speaker 1: I'm like the guy literally like they only had one
Speaker 1: drop she didn't touch the floor, and the other one
Speaker 1: had like a massive mistake too on the first day,
Speaker 1: though not the second day the first It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it matters less. I think it was. Maybe I can't
Speaker 1: remember it's percentage. Yeah, No, Cheers a really good show anyway. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of ups and down girls ups
Speaker 1: and downs. I'm sorry about the eights. Love eight now now.
Speaker 1: I love eights and I love people in June and
Speaker 1: you know with great So that's a Christie. She also
Speaker 1: talking me up right now. I can tell me very loving.
Speaker 1: Just because you're working on hugs doesn't mean that you
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to like, and I know that
Speaker 1: you are lovable. You are some people are the huggers
Speaker 1: and some people get hugged. And I think we know
Speaker 1: who we are. And I think that Catherine wants about
Speaker 1: please report every now and again. This is why we work.
Speaker 1: Queendom works because everyone has a different personality. There's not
Speaker 1: a two. Julie is not a two. She's not a dude.
Speaker 1: She might be an a I think so so like
Speaker 1: it's good, it's just me. I know, it's just because
Speaker 1: it was just like, no, I knew, I knew when
Speaker 1: you said that. I was like, I'm pretty sure Mike
Speaker 1: and I are probably the same. Yeah, well but I
Speaker 1: love you. I love you really and secure right now.
Speaker 1: I just gotta I've never worn one. But then she
Speaker 1: was like, I want to do a premiere and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that seems like a big deal to me. All right,
Speaker 1: so whatever, I know, we're going to stop because if
Speaker 1: anyone this is this is what happens when part of
Speaker 1: the queendom comes together. Um, let's talk next week. Shy Ivy,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I feel like he's a little like
Speaker 1: he's too shy. He's so shy. He's a little shy.
Speaker 1: But so I mean, so am I I feel like
Speaker 1: we should trick him. I feel like you should Recordina
Speaker 1: sudn't know and then he'd be because at some point
Speaker 1: we have to set these up when people don't know
Speaker 1: and just let it just roll. Would be so funny
Speaker 1: after just so you know, we've been oh yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: wear a shirt. Someone's you know, I will say time
Speaker 1: time out really fast. Someone the other day like it's
Speaker 1: like body shaming my boyfriend because they were saying, like
Speaker 1: your boyfriends so full of himself, and I was like
Speaker 1: why yeah, and he was because he never wears a shirt.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, so if someone just wears
Speaker 1: like a sports braw all day, are they full of themselves?
Speaker 1: Like Janna, if I look like you, I'd be naked.
Speaker 1: Men's response, He's just like he just happens to have
Speaker 1: a shirt off a lot I didn't wonder if the
Speaker 1: analogy to shirts at first, but not really confident in
Speaker 1: your body and not full of yourself too. By the way,
Speaker 1: you could also just be a badass and like and
Speaker 1: and he's very like shy, like eating my stories and people.
Speaker 1: He comes off arrogant and like, but he's just very
Speaker 1: shy like again, not arrogant. Everyone's personalities are different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so don't judge what you see. Any girls were going
Speaker 1: to shake his ass down. It's friends, He's not arrogant.
Speaker 1: Trust we already have that. Okay, alright, talk to you
Speaker 1: guys next week. By