1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A teenage girl dead after 2 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: botched breast augmentation. Why is a teen girl getting breast implants? 3 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: To start with, that's a question making a life changing 4 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: decision as a teen. But why did she have to die? 5 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: Is it true that the doctor waited five hours before 6 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: calling nine one one? Is that true? Right now? More 7 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: questions than answers. But let's get some answers. I mean, 8 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 9 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: with us here on Fox Nation and series XM one eleven. 10 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: If you think I won't go after a medical doctor, 11 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: You're very wrong. I don't like people that have all 12 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: the money, all the education, all the privilege, all the 13 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: respect somehow ducking lady justice when she comes the knocking. 14 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear the nine 15 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: one one call, and let me remind you this is 16 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: always one of the first things I would play for 17 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: a jury, because I don'tlike any opening statement or any 18 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: judges instructions, or any witness on the stand or any 19 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: picture I could show them. The nine one one call 20 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: takes you to the moment of the incident. It's real, 21 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: it's unadulterated. It cannot be edited airbrushed. You hear what's 22 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: happening in the moment as it happened at the time 23 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: of the incident, and in this case, when a nineteen 24 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: year old girl was lying on a gurney suffering from 25 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: a botched breast job, a boom job. Listen the address 26 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: of your emergency seventy one eighty. What's been East Orchard Road? Okay, 27 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: don't exactly what happened? Two zero six, this sweet two 28 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: zero six. Okay, come exactly what happened? Yeah, Well, we 29 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: have a patient two was anesthetized forum surgery and she 30 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: had a brief a sisterly and we need her transported 31 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: to the d R. And your names Rex Meeker, all right, 32 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: recrob got help him away? Okay for a nine one 33 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: one emergency call. He didn't sound like there was any 34 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: emergency going on. And look again, I'm just a JD, 35 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: not an MD. But I really want to know what 36 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: is a brief assistly, that's my first question. And for 37 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: that answer before I answer us everybody, I want to 38 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: bring in a well known expert and plastic surgery. You 39 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: know him well from botched. I don't know if you 40 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: haven't seen or at least heard of Botched. You've obviously 41 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: been living under a rock in a cave. Not just 42 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: in a cave. We're not just under a rock, but 43 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: under a rock in a cave. Doctor Terry Dubro is 44 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: with us, medical doctor, star of Botched and seven years Stitch, 45 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: author of Doctor and Missus Guinea Pig Present. The only 46 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: guy you'll ever need to the best anti aging treatments. 47 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Now I found out what that was. He and his 48 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: wife are the guinea pigs, and they test all these 49 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: theories and regiments and products on themselves. That said, doctor Debro, 50 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. I'm going 51 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: to get away from the guinea pig facet of your 52 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: practice and focus on the medical doctorate degree that you have. 53 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand what happened here, but first of all, 54 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: my question is what's an Assistently? Because this guy, whoever 55 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Rex is, it doesn't seem very concerned that this teen girl, 56 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: it says, who was anesthetized for a surgery. That means 57 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: you're under I think that's what that means. You're under 58 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: anesthesia and had a brief assistily, what's that? Okay? So, 59 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: Rex Meeker, that's the nurse anesthetist that actually was the 60 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: person who put that patient, that nineteen year old under anesthesia. 61 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: When he did that, the patient had either a reaction 62 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: or they walked out of the room. That's what the 63 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: allegation is, that they walked out of the room after 64 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: giving anesthesia. Well, you mean the anesthetist walk out of 65 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: the room. That's the allegation at the criminal complaint. But 66 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: what's an assistily? What does that mean? Asistly is when 67 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the heart stops, no cardiac rhythm, there's no oxygenave blood 68 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: being pumped to the body or the brain, and if 69 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: it's long enough before you start getting the heart pumping again, 70 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: you've deprived the brain of oxygen and has occurred in 71 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: this case, Nancy, she went into an irreversible coma. Oh okay, 72 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: you're actually jack. I mean it may need a doct 73 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: right now because I'm actually getting a chest pain. Because 74 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: this is just a little girl. I don't know why 75 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: this little girl is having I guess breast implants. Nicole 76 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Parton within Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Nicole, was 77 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: it breast enhancement? Was she getting implants? That's correct? Why 78 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: does a tain girl need implants. Okay, just told on 79 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: just a moment, Just a moment, a tain girl getting implants. 80 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: First of all, before I go to all the other guests, 81 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: who are incredible guests, Doctor Jerry Cross and psychologists, I 82 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: need a shrink desperately. Doctor Jorry is faculty Saint Leo University. 83 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: He is a consultant with blue Wall Institute, and he 84 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: is an author of Operation to Sas. I could go 85 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: on and on, but doctor Jorry Cross, and who would 86 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: encourage a teen girl, Doctor Jerry. Last night I was 87 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: up till I don't know what time, reviewing and correcting 88 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: and helping my twins, John David and Lucy on an 89 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: essay they had to write for school. Now. The essay 90 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: had to be point counterpoint, had to be X number 91 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: of paragraphs. I think it was five or eight. And 92 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: John David's was on Oh, his was on adding supplements 93 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: and enhancements to food. You'll be happy to know he 94 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: was against it to make it grow faster or bigger 95 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: or basically genetically engineered. Lucy, which I found was really 96 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: interesting she would pick this out was whether miners should 97 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: be able to get tattoos and body piercings. I don't know. 98 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: She wanted her earspiers when she was three, during my 99 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: brief stint on Dancing with the Stars, we were in 100 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: California and she suddenly wanted ear rings and makeup, ear 101 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: piercings and makeup. She had been in somebody's sandbox for 102 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: one hour and came and told me she wanted ear 103 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: piercings and makeup. Okay. I managed to fight that off 104 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: until she was twelve, and then there was you know, 105 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: I had nothing. She got her earspiers. But doctor Joy, 106 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: why would anyone encourage a teen girl to make that 107 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: kind of decision? Even my little girl, who was fourteen. 108 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: At the end of her essay, I was holding my breath, said, 109 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: this is a decision that should not be made by 110 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: miners because it is a life changing decision. Miners are 111 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: not supposed to buy cars, or enter into college tracks, 112 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: or by alcohol or tobacco for a reason, because their 113 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: minds are not fully developed, and a tattoo or a 114 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: body piercing can be a lifelong decision. Even my little girl, 115 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: hey just got out of the seventh grade for Pete's Satan, 116 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: knows that who would encourage a teen girl to get 117 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: a big job well, when I was in private practice 118 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: here with the psychiatrist, we did evaluations on patients that 119 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: were referred to us that we're going to have cosmetic surgery. 120 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: Sometimes the surgeon would say, you know, I want them 121 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: checked out to make sure that you know, they know 122 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: fully what they're doing. An eighteen year older to peers. 123 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: You know, from what I read that she was saving 124 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: up money. So this was something that she had thought about, 125 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: had been planning for some time, you know, and that 126 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: could be brought about by you know, her friends or 127 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: peer pressure, could have been bought brought about by various 128 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, marketing techniques that they're exposed to. You know. 129 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: Not everyone that makes that decision does it for wrong 130 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: or mental health problems. You know. Some of them look 131 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: at it and they make the decision understanding the full 132 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: consequences of what it's going to do. It's almost like, said, 133 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: a coping mechanism, just trying to figure out what people 134 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: around this young girl went along with her decision to 135 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: get breast implants. Joining me right now, a very special guest. 136 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: It's David Woodruff, high profile lawyer joining us out of Denver. 137 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: He's the founding member of the Denver trial lawyers at 138 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Denver Trial Lawyers dot com. Very well respected in the 139 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Colorado area and beyond. David Woodruff is representing the family 140 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: of this girl. I guess you can tell by now 141 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: this teen girl passed away. Hey, David Woodruff, hold on 142 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: one moment, I want you to hear more of the 143 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: nine one one called by re you question for you. 144 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: Are you with the patient? Now? I am how old? 145 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: Is the patient eighteen? Awake? She's not, she's not conscious. 146 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: We've evaluated her and um, we've we are estimating a 147 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: Glasgow score of six or seven? Is she breathing? Oh yeah, 148 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: she's breathing. Well, Um, she'll keep a SAT of about 149 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: ninety five on room erica. Although we um, what's the 150 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: name of the practice Colorado Aesthetic and Plastic Surgery. And 151 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: is this called a result of an evaluation by a 152 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: nurse or doctor? Yeah, I'm a CRNA. Okay, all right? 153 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: Can doctor Kim has been here? Okay? Is the fact 154 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: that the patients uncon a southern unexpected changes are usual conditions? Yes? Okay, 155 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: hold on, David Woodroff, you and r j DS I 156 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: need an MD again. Doctor Terry Dubrow is with me. 157 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: You may know him from botched or seven years stitch 158 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: on a doctor dubro. What is a glass cow of 159 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: six or seven? What does that mean? So? Glasgow coma 160 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: scale measures to your brain activity, and when you're normally 161 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: you're fifteen when you're wide awake. When you're in a coma, 162 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: you're six or seven, meaning you have no eye opening, 163 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: you're not responding to command. Basically, your body is functioning 164 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: in that your lungs are working, you're heart pumping, but 165 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: you have no real noticeable brain activity. You are in 166 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: a vegetative state or a comma already and they're just 167 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: now calling nine one one. What does a cr in 168 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: a Okay, So there's two kinds of medical professionals they 169 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: can give you anesthesia. One that you're used to as 170 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: a certified anesthesiologists. Then there are also nurses that are 171 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: trained to give anesthesia under the supervision of a doctor. 172 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: And so in some surgery centers, in some hospitals, plastic 173 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: surgeons or other surgeons will use rather than board certified anesthesi'alls, 174 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: they will use nurses to give anesthesia. And that's what 175 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: mister Meeker it was. He was is a nurse anesthesia 176 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: provider oh, so in a means nurse anesthesiast that CRNA 177 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: certified Registered Nurse Anaesthesia anesthesia. Gotcha time stories with Nancy 178 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: Grace David Woodruff. I'm a criminal prosecutor, have the my 179 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: whole legal career. I don't know even a tiny percentage 180 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: of what you know about civil cases. But I don't 181 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: understand what went wrong at the outset. Can I tell 182 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: you who was a very dear friend of mine, Joan 183 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Rivers loved her. I was in New York, David, where 184 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: I lived, and was going to go do a hit. 185 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: I remember exactly what it was with Debbie Norville. Deborah 186 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: Norville an Inside Edition, and Joan Rivers. I was in 187 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: the building walking to their studio, passed me in the 188 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: hall well. I nearly fainted, and I didn't think she 189 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: would remember me. When I first moved to New York, 190 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: I launched a show with the late great Johnny Cochrane 191 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: called Cochrane and Grace, and during that time Joan had 192 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: me on her late late night radiation show. She had 193 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: been thrown off. She had remember she had the night 194 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: talk show. I think she replaced No No. She started 195 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: a late night talk show and that ended and there 196 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: was a vedetta against her, and she was trying so 197 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: hard to make good and she ended up with a 198 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: radio show at like eleven o'clock at night. And I 199 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: had first gone to her studios to do her radio 200 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: show with her, and then we got to be friends. 201 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: And I passed her in the hall that day, and 202 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: do you know she spent I don't know how long 203 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: it must have been an hour talking about children, raising 204 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: children and her daughter Melissa. She was just the greatest lady. 205 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: And when I saw that Joe Rivers was having some minor, 206 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: minor surgery, cosmetic surgery, and died, I mean, it's gonna 207 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: be a cold day in h e double l before 208 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: I have anything done, no matter how much I might 209 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: need it. And I don't understand what a young girl 210 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: like your client's daughter, how this went so wrong. David Woodroff, Yeah, 211 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,479 Speaker 1: it's a it's a really a huge travesty this story. 212 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: And the parents explain, you know, to answer your first 213 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: question about you know, what is it an eighteen year old, 214 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: a beautiful eighteen year old doing. We're just having brought 215 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: breast augmentation. That was my first question when when they 216 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: approached me about it. Now, breast augmentation means implants. Right 217 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: when you add augment, you augment, you add correct right 218 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: boob job? Yeah, okay, yes, it's breast implants. It's Terry, 219 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: it's breast implants. Yeah. Oh my goodness, David and doctor 220 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: Terry J. Bro I just I'm scrolling through pictures of 221 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: Emmelyn and I just hit one of her, all crumpled up, 222 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: kind of headed toward a fetal position in a nursing 223 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: home with her parents, fed via tube and hooked up 224 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: to an oxygen machine to breathe. And then right below that, 225 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: there she is on an earlier date, just gorgeous at 226 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: some restaurant. Just she looks like a model. Sorry, I 227 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: just saw that picture to just struck me. David woodch Off, 228 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: go ahead. The explanation that I was given by the parents. 229 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Of course, this young lady was eighteen years old, so 230 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: parents don't really get it. You know that she's not 231 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: a miner anymore. They explained that she had been, as 232 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: as we've heard, saving up money. She had just graduated 233 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: from high school and had been working through high school, 234 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: saving up money for breast augmentation surgery. And I think 235 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: this is we can hear more from the psychologist who 236 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: can explain what girls are going through in our society 237 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: today that lead them to want this. But she's a 238 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: beautiful young lady. And do girls at this age need 239 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: to have breast augmentation? You know that's that's really a 240 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: different question than the legal question of why in the 241 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: world did she suffered this kind of injury and then 242 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: ultimately die from it. What do you think happened, doctor 243 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: du Bro? You just heard from the family's lawyer, high 244 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: profile lawyer, fantastic, pristine reputation, David Woodruff, Doctor du Bro, 245 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand what went wrong. If a ten girl 246 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: can't get through a surgery, what about the rest of us? 247 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what happened? Okay, so she never had the surgery, Nancy. 248 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: What happened was there's either one or two things that happened. 249 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: I looked at the medical Board's description and I looked 250 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: at the lawsuit, and the details are somewhere in between 251 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: the truth. But what happened was the doctor was out 252 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: of the room while the anesthesia was initially being given. 253 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: So the nurse Neestis gave some ver said, some propofil 254 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: and some fentinel, which are typical and giving me a 255 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: bad throwback. I'm having a flashback to Michael Jackson, profifile, right, 256 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: but this is the standard stuff we use is and 257 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: can be and should be very very safe. Now, one 258 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: of the allegations is that the nursinestis gave these medications 259 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: and left the room for fifteen minutes while the patient 260 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: was under. Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, doctor 261 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: de bro hold on, I'm trying to keep up with you. Okay, 262 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: but I don't speak your language of medical procedure because 263 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: I remember the last time I went under. Before I 264 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: went under, I said, where is doctor Barrell? And then 265 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: he just kind of like he must have been on 266 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: one of those roly chairs. He rolled over and looked 267 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: anyone here I am. I'm like, okay, and I remember saying, 268 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: remember Michael Jackson, okay, remember who's given the anesthesia, and 269 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: that guy rolled over on top of it right here. 270 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I have twins that I need to raise. 271 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: Remember that. And then that's the last thing I remember. 272 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: I started counting backwards, and the next thing I knew, 273 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: I woke up. But I didn't know that the doctor 274 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: leaves once the anesthesia starts, because my doctor was right there, 275 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Dubro, Well, you're not supposed to leave. So the 276 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: plastic surgeon wasn't even in the room yet. The anesthetis 277 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: started the anesthesia, and either the patient had a reaction 278 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: to the anesthesia or one of the allegations. The main 279 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: allegation is that the anesthetis left the room for fifteen minutes, 280 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: not monitoring the patients, and so the patients under anesthesia 281 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: they're not being monitored. They stop breathing, their heart then 282 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: stops depriving oxygen to the brain, and fifteen minutes later 283 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: one of the nurses notices that the patient is blue 284 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: and calls the anesthetis in. This is the allegation. Nestus 285 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: comes in starts resuscitation along with the plastic surgeon. They 286 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: get cardiac activity back, but the brain, because it's been 287 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: deprived of auction for too long a time now is 288 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: irreversibly damaged. And so although the patient was physically alive, 289 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: they were in a chronic vegetative state, meaning a coma 290 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: from which they never recovered. Guys, take a listen to 291 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: our cut three our friends at Fox thirty one. She 292 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't for breast enhancement surgery something three hundred thousand women 293 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: do every year. It's supposed to be low risk, but 294 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: Emlyn will never be the same. Every single day for 295 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: the past four and a half months, Sonny Neuwen and 296 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: his wife Lynn Lamb take a few milar steps to 297 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: a hospital or to see their oldest child, knowing she 298 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: will likely never look back at them. Okay, we's right here, Okay, 299 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: all right here, okay. Eighteen year old Emmelyn will never 300 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: see the family photos in the wall where the words 301 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: of encouragement that seek a miracle. So we're hoping that 302 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: she does here that she recognized as our voice. So 303 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: that's what we're hoping. We try to believe that she 304 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: can hear us, but we just don't know. The room 305 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: with the feeding tube and the oxygen machine is Emmelyn's 306 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: entire world for as long as she may live. I 307 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be this way. It was not supposed 308 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: to be that way. Joining me Nicole Parton Crime online 309 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Nicole, what do you know so 310 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: beautiful Emmeline, as you said, the images of her, she's stunning, 311 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, just out of high school, and so 312 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: her plans were to travel the world. She was just 313 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: starting into social media. She was wanting to become a 314 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: travel vlogger and go out videoing and vlogging about for 315 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: travels of the world. And the first start to this 316 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: big plan that she had was to have the breast augmentation. 317 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: She was wanting to feel better about herself, the report says, 318 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: wanting in her eyes, to look her very best. So 319 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: she had saved all through high school, wanted to get 320 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: this surgery and then wanted to travel the world and 321 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: video vlog about her travels. She had great, great desires 322 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: to do this. She was loved by her family, beautiful girl. 323 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: She had researched the doctor. Her family says that she 324 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: had went on web md and had researched and went 325 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: in for consultation and the doctor had said that she 326 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: was a candidate for this bilateral augmentation, and she followed 327 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: all the standard procedures the night before the surgery. But 328 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: tragically she never got to pursue her career in travel. 329 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: You know Dan Corsentino with me foreign Police chief from 330 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: her share of Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board now PI 331 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: at Dan Corsentino dot com. You know, no offense due bro. 332 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: But it's really hard to get anything out of doctors. 333 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I have had so many homicide cases where 334 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: I deal with other doctors other than the medical examiner, 335 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you just trying to get in their 336 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: office to meet with them. God forbid that I asked 337 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: them to come down to the courthouse. That's not going 338 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: to happen. But I mean, have you ever tried to 339 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: get a hold of a doctor as a witness and 340 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: make them sit still for just thirty minutes so you 341 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: can talk to them. Yeah, it's extremely difficult to make 342 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: contact with the physician, and from a law enforcement perspective, 343 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: that's where you start getting in with the prosecution. As 344 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: you know better than anybody. Trying to get the medical 345 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: records a position notes everything, and there's reasons for that, 346 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: of course. To David Woodrow, of high profile lawyer handling 347 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: the family's civil case in this, I mean there have 348 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: been times I've been trying a case where I get 349 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: medical records during the trial, and of course I can't 350 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: use them because they're considered scientific reports and there is 351 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: a discovery a statue that the other side, the defense, 352 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: has to get them X number of weeks before the trial. 353 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: So you know, it was great reading, but I can't 354 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: use any of it because it takes so long to 355 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: get because typically the patient is protected, their privacy is protected. 356 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: But it's really I mean, how many times have you 357 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: tried to depose a doctor? Not you, of course, doctor Dubro, 358 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: because you're perfect, but David Woodruff, I mean, help me. 359 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I have taken 360 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: depositions of doctors and found that medical records have been withheld, 361 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: have altered, the doctor's testimony doesn't match up at all 362 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: with the medical records. Hospitals often will go through in 363 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: doctor records and take months to provide them to patients. 364 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: It's a big issue. It's an issue we face in 365 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: every lawsuit. And I've got to tell you again, not you, 366 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: doctor Dubro, because you're but David, I have been in 367 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: aggravated battery where somebody's lost an eyeball or an arm, 368 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: or a leg, or a murder case when I would 369 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: have the actual attending physician they try to save their life, 370 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: come in. They fly in in their scrubs and they're 371 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: like oh, and they're looking and they're like I gotta 372 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: be I'm like listen. I haven't bothered you on purpose 373 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: prior to this. We've only talked on the phone because 374 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: I didn't want to disrupt your schedule and your patience. 375 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: But you are here to testify, and you're gonna have 376 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: to wait like everybody else. I'm gonna get you out 377 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: as quickly as I can. But this is a murder trial, man, 378 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: so you know, suck it up, little sister and get 379 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: in there. I mean, at a certain point there are 380 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: schedules which I know are insane, have to bend for justice, 381 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: and I don't think they get it. And I'm reaching 382 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: a point would because I don't know what really happened 383 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: in that room with Aunt Emmelyn. I don't know how 384 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: long she was left alone. I don't know if the 385 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: doctor was ever in there. I don't know if she 386 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: had a reaction to the propafal or something, or if 387 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: she had some other incident choked. I don't know, because 388 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to get the truth 389 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: from the medical professionals, and almost every time in a 390 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: case like this, we don't get the full truth. And 391 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: the doctors are prepared before giving their sworn testimony. They're 392 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: carefully prepared by their lawyers to say precisely what the 393 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: lawyer tells them to say. We almost never get the 394 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: correct truth. Okay to you, Dodger, Terry, Debrah and Hey 395 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: for the rest of the panel. I know I'm focusing 396 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: on the doctor and the lawyer so much because I 397 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: don't really understand the accacies of this what happened to emmlen. 398 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: So when you have a thought, please jump in. Don't 399 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: wait for me to come to you to do bro. 400 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: Can I tell you what happened. My little nephew was 401 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: about nine years old when a woman in a van 402 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: ran over him and he had brain surgery to reduce 403 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: swelling to the brain. And I was still prosecuting, and 404 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: instead of having lunch I would go to the Scottish 405 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: Rite Hospital every day to see him and be with him. 406 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: And I remember a little boy specifically. It was in 407 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: the eighth grade. He've been playing B team football and 408 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: was going to be a quadriplegic forever because of some 409 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: injury he had. And I mean when I said that, 410 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: I mean his whole life over what one play on 411 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: a football field. Long story short, the family, they had 412 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: all the pictures up on the wall and they would 413 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: try to talk to him and trying to encourage him. 414 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: And I hear the family here in the room with 415 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: the pictures on the wall. This is before she passed away, 416 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: trying to encourage Immelan. And it's heartbreaking. And this didn't 417 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: have to happen, doctor de bro. Now you know it 418 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: didn't have to happen. But in this case, there is 419 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: a lot of evidence. First of all, you have to 420 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: understand the medical board as an immediate evaluation when there's 421 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: been a major Do you trust them, doctor Dubro. I 422 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: mean they're doctors governing other doctors that they probably know well. 423 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm a certified expert for the California Medical Board. I 424 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: can tell you the California Medical Board and the Colorado 425 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: Medical Board where this occurred, is run by the Attorney 426 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: General's Office. Now, so these are the police that are 427 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: running the medical board. So these doctors are interviewed the records. 428 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: You are required to submit the records when the medical 429 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: Board asked for them, within two weeks, otherwise you will 430 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: be sanctioned. So you do submit. I'm not saying they're 431 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: necessarily perfectly after it, but and then you're interviewed, and 432 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: then there was a civil lawsuit, and you have to 433 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: understand are you ready for this? Even though there was 434 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: just an indictment, there was just an arrest made for 435 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: reckless manslaughter and first first degree assault. The medical board 436 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: in the last two years put the doctor on probation only. 437 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: So the doctor has been practicing for the last two 438 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: years and the anesthetis the nurse anesthetist just surrendered their license. 439 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: So this doctor for the last two years has been 440 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: on probation and they the rules of probation have been 441 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: the doctor has to take an ethics course. Oh please, yeah, 442 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: they take an ethics course, an ethics course, and has 443 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: to have a anesthesiologist a doctor doing the anesthesia. But 444 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: other than that there has been without any restriction. And 445 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: now finally they have made a civil complaint against the 446 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: doctor and the nurse. Crime stories with Nancy Grace David Woodruff. 447 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: The world needs lawyers like you. The world needs doctors 448 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: like doctor Dubrow who will speak the truth. Because I 449 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: can't even tell you how many jury trials I've tried, 450 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: but I don't understand the intricacies of a medical medmal 451 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: case like you do. But I can tell you this. 452 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: After this little girl dies, he the doctor gets to 453 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: keep practicing medicine. Did I hear that right? Woodruff? Yeah? 454 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: You did. And it's it's a greedious isn't it. The 455 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: way that system works is a doctor can hire a lawyer. 456 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: When the medical board, you know, sends him a notice 457 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: that they're suspending his license pending permanent revocation, he hires 458 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: a lawyer. The lawyer fights with the medical board and 459 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: fights with the Attorney General's office. And just like in 460 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: the criminal world, Nancy, as you've seen a million times, 461 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: there is a compromise. It's sort of like a plea deal. 462 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: And the plea deal is he takes he's put on probation. 463 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: He is required to have an anesthesiologist perform anesthesia instead 464 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: of a nurse. But she probably should have done to 465 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: start with. I mean, I guess twenty twenty hindsight, obviously 466 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: something went very very wrong. I mean, what's your theory, 467 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: David Woodruff. Did she have a reaction or did they 468 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: simply leave her alone like Michael Jackson was left alone 469 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: by Conrad Murray and he died. Yeah, both, it's both. 470 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: We had an estusiology experts review the case. A nurse 471 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: anesthetist here appears to have given Emmelyn a dose of anesthesia. 472 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: This cocktail probe fallen verse head and sentinel for a 473 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: patient about three times her weight, and that is ultimately 474 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: what caused her to stop breathing. It's actually a well 475 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: known thing that you can and what's called snowing a patient, 476 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: put him to sleep right away, and that it speeds 477 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: things up, get her under anesthesia quickly, and you can 478 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: get her going more quickly. But intent, yep, snow and 479 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: a patient. It's a known thing, and it comes with 480 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: the risk that the patient will stop breathing. And so 481 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: of course if the doctor and the and the anesthesiologist 482 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: or nurse and neesthetist is paying attention. As soon as 483 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: the patient stops breathing, alarms on the anesthesia machine starts sounding, 484 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: they know immediately and they can do, as Terry can explain, 485 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: a jaw thrust which gets her either again and it's 486 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: a scary five seconds, but it she'll start breathing again 487 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: right away. The catch here was that neither the plastic 488 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: surgeon nor the nurse anesthetist was paying attention. They had 489 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: turned the sound off or the volume on the alarm 490 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: stors why and so and so yeah, that's the question 491 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: is why. And you know, maybe Terry, maybe you can 492 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the irritation of hearing alarms 493 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: going off on an anesthesia machine and how reckless it 494 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: is me. They're more irritated. Now, Yeah, Terry, don't do 495 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: bro tell me. I can't bring myself to say Terry 496 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: to a medical doctor. Go ahead, call the doctors. You 497 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: can call me anything you want. Let me. Let me 498 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: just tell you something. You don't wait for the alarms 499 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: to tell you anything. You can see on the monitor 500 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: that the auction saturation is starting to go down, right, 501 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: and you don't need to wait for it to get 502 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: the critical levels before you say, oh, there's an issue, 503 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: you immediately take countermeasures to reverse that. You intibate the patient, 504 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: You give them something. Say that when you say antibate, 505 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: you means put the tube down their mouth, down their throat. Right, 506 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: you have a Nancy ninety five percent of surgery. It's 507 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: done that way. I mean, it's the safest way is 508 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: to control the airway. So you don't need to wait 509 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: for the alarms. If you're waiting for the alarms, you're 510 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: not paying attention. Okay, maybe because you're not in the rim. Yeah, 511 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: they're not in the room. I mean, if you're in 512 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: the room and you're you're looking at the monitor, whether 513 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: you turn the alarms off or not. And by the way, 514 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: you can't completely turn the auction saturation alarm off. It 515 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: won't let you. So it's by the time the alarm 516 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: for oxygen saturation is going off, the patient is that 517 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: is almost dead. And that's what happened in this case. 518 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: The auction saturation went down so low the patient's heart 519 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: rate started to plummet, which is the end of life. 520 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: So this is an unattended, unobserved, inappropriately modern patient who 521 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: they basically just ignored and they let's stop reading. That's 522 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: just the beginning dot Jorji bro. Because after the incident 523 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: where the oxygen saturation and what that means, everybody says, COVID, 524 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: you know about the oxygen sat as I call it 525 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: clip you can put on your finger and it says 526 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: what a pulse like seminar correct and it may say 527 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: ninety five, right, mate, Say that tells you the saturation 528 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: of oxygen in your blood. Anyway, that's what that means, 529 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: but that's not where it ended. Take a listen our 530 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: cut five our friends at Fox thirty one. Woodrofe says 531 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: the staff use CPR to restore Emelin's heartbeat, but then 532 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: he says they did something unforgivable and they leave her 533 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: there on the operating room table for five and a 534 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: half hours and don't call nine one one for five 535 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: and a half hours, while Emmalyn's mother sits in the 536 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: waiting room unaware of what's happening. The doctor finally came 537 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: out back out to tell me that I wasn't able 538 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: to go back back there to check up on her. 539 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: But she's still doing fine. She's young. Maybe that's the 540 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: reason why she's taking longer to wake up. You don't 541 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: let my daughter sit day because you thought you're gonna 542 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: wake up. Emmalyn never did wake up, and m R 543 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: shows permanent brain damage. Her heart works, but only with 544 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: artificial help. Our body is still there, but she's not there, 545 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: so we feel like we lost a daughter. I just 546 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: want to find out the truth what happened and preventing 547 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: this film happening to other people. And I want to 548 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: find out the truth to go out and tell the parents. 549 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: She's not coming out of annestasia, She's not waking up 550 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: very quickly because she's young. What does what does that 551 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: mean when you don't come out of anestasia very quickly, 552 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: doctor Debra, It means that your brain has been injured. 553 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: It means it either means that there's two much anesthesia 554 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: and you can't reverse it. Now, there are chemical agents. 555 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: If you give too much anesthesia, you can reverse that. 556 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: So maybe you give a couple of doses, you wait 557 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: a few seconds. If they don't wake up right away, 558 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: some things need to be done. Now. I will tell 559 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: you if a patient goes into a sistly, meaning their 560 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: heart is not pumping at all, you automatically call nine 561 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: one one, because even if you can revive them, even 562 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: if you can immediately wake them up, they need to 563 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: go to the emergency or to be checked out. So 564 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: this is wherein lies the criminality, the fact that they 565 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: just ignored it, hoped and prayed and they were in 566 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: a state of denial that the patient was under too 567 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: much anesthesia for five and a half hours, which is 568 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: not a possibility. So this is where the criminal case 569 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: will target, the sort of reckless nature of the follow 570 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: up and the lack of calling for emergency services. D 571 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: How does she ultimately this little girl, a tang girl. 572 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: How did she die? She suffered such a catastrophic brain 573 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: injury that she could not recover. So one of the 574 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: massive problems with the patients with an oxic brain injuries 575 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: face is that their immune system is compromised. They don't 576 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: breathe deeply enough. They're often on ventilated their ventilateds meaning 577 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: a machine's breathing for him. Emmelin ultimately developed pneumonia eleven 578 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: months after this happened, and she had been basically catatonic 579 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: for eleven months and was unable to recover from her pneumonia. 580 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: And now another update takes Listen to our cut twelve 581 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: our friends at nine news KUSA. This week, the Arapaho 582 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office arrested Kim. He faces one count of 583 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: first degree aggravated assault and criminally negligent homicide. Rex Meeker 584 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: is facing a manslaughter charge. There are very few criminal 585 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: cases filed against surgeons for bosched operations, and it tells 586 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: us if there's something more going on here than just 587 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: mere negligence. Nine News legal expert Scott Robinson says, well, 588 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: charges against a doctor are not uncommon. The degree of 589 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: the charges are first reassault convictions are serious business, indeed, 590 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: and they typically involve a minimum mandatory sentence and double 591 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: digit prison time. Emmelyn's family knows the criminal case won't 592 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: bring their daughter back, but they hope what happened between 593 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: these four walls never happens again. They don't want any 594 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: other family to ever go through this kind of trauma. 595 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: So let me understand, David Woodroff, the homicide charge is 596 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,919 Speaker 1: based on what I guess, extreme indifference to human life. 597 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So in Colorado, homicide is best basically 598 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: defined as recklessly causing the death of another person, and 599 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: reckless is defined as an act when a person consciously 600 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that a result will occur. 601 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: In other words, not calling nine one one knowing this 602 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: patient has gone into ace sicily or cardiac arrest twice 603 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: and not calling nine one one is consciously disregarding the 604 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: fact that she is going to suffer permanent injury or 605 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: death if she does not get immediate Level one emergency 606 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: care and then cool parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 607 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: is it true that not only did he not call 608 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: nine one one, he refused requests by others in the 609 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: practice to call nine one one. He wouldn't do it. Absolutely. 610 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: So it was early in the day, about two fifteen, 611 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: so she was taken back to the operating room at 612 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: one forty five, around two o'clock to anaesthesia begins. It's 613 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: about two fifteen when a nurse comes in, finds her 614 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: lips are blue, calls the doctor and says, we need 615 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: to call nine one one. It's at that point he 616 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: refuses to call nine one one. At five and a 617 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: half hours later that they make the phone call. Oh 618 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, Dan Korsentino, Foreign police Chief now PI Dan 619 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: Corcentino dot com. The only way to really find out 620 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: what happened that day is to crack somebody that worked 621 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: there in the practice at that time. Maybe they're gone now, 622 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: maybe they've gone to another job. Maybe they're still there, 623 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: and you've got to wait for them to walk out 624 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: and hit them with a subpoena. I've done it. I've 625 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 1: hidden between SUVs and wait for people to come out 626 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: of their office and literally jump out and go, Hi, 627 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: it's you, Grace here, Saspina, ma'am. And I had to 628 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: do it because there was no other way for me 629 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: to give them absolutely you're going to wait and you 630 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: want to make that connection without individual for the interview 631 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: and pull them aside and try and get as much 632 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: information as you can or invite them to coffee. Whatever 633 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: it's going to take. You got to reduce the fear 634 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: level that probe themselves are going to be some how 635 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: directly involved. It better show up with a subpoena, subpoena 636 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: and a subpoena Dick is taken for documents if they 637 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: have any Nobody wants a cup of coffee. Okay, you 638 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: can try the nice approach. You know, better have sugar 639 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: than vinegar, but good luck with the coffee. The way 640 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: Saint Nancy though, is yeah, I understand when you get 641 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: issue that subpoena subpoena dishes take them. You want all 642 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: the information. You want the lab work to medications, the 643 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: annathesia logue to create that timeline of inconsistency from what 644 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: the doctors saying, what the nurses saying, to what the 645 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: facts are as you're going to try and extract them. 646 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: That's going to be the foundation of everything. Doctor Jory, 647 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: I just doctor Jorry Crows and joining me. Psychologist Faculty, 648 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: Saint Leo University what can you how do you what 649 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: do you tell the parents? How do that you get 650 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,959 Speaker 1: them through what's happening. I mean they haven't been able 651 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: to greet because this doctor and the nurse and esthetists 652 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 1: have not been brought to justice. Yeah, they they've had 653 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: a long period of time to try to process this 654 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: and make sense. And I can only imagine the frustration 655 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: that they've encountered on a daily basis by not getting answers, 656 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: by not getting cooperation, by getting you know, stonewalled. Hopefully 657 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: the criminal justice and the civil justice system will give 658 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: them the answers. I mean, they're starting to come out now, 659 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: and that's helping, you know, kind of ring closure, bring 660 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: some kind of comprehension to what took place in the 661 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: last moments of their daughter's life. Doctor Dubreux, everybody you 662 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,919 Speaker 1: can find doctor dubrou at doctor dubro brow dot com. 663 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: You know, when I see a case where a lawyer 664 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: has done some horrible thing, I'm embarrassed. I'm personally embarrassed 665 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: because it makes us all look horrible. I'm mortified. I 666 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: sometimes wish I hadn't even read about it. That's why 667 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: they have so many lawyer jokes Okay, we know why, 668 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: because lawyers deserve every joke told about them. You're not 669 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,760 Speaker 1: just a plastic surgeon, but one of the most famous 670 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: plastic surgeons there are in the US. How does this 671 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: make you feel when you hear about one of your 672 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: brethren doing something like this refusing to call nine one one. 673 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: It's bad enough what happened, but then to say no, 674 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: we're not going to call nine one yet, Well, it's 675 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: grossly incompetent. You know. I've been a certified expert for 676 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: the California Medical Board for twenty one years, reviewing doctor's 677 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: conduct every single year in cases exactly like this, And 678 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: what I don't really understand is when there's been such 679 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: gross levels of incompetence, why they allow the doctor just 680 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: to get a slap in the hand and get probation 681 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: with an ethics course, allowed to continue practice practicing medicine. 682 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know the first rule of being a physician, 683 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: you say it the day you graduate med school is first, 684 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: do no harm. And to have a cardiac arrest twice 685 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: and have and not be able to get the patient 686 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: awake and not call nine one one is such a 687 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: gross level of incompetence that I don't know why a 688 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 1: medical board wouldn't just say, Okay, no matter what, your 689 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: license is suspended right now, period, end of story. We're 690 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: not letting you practice, and then let the smoke clear, 691 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: get all the records, figure out what happened. It shouldn't 692 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to depend on the criminal justice system 693 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: two years after the incident to really get to the 694 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: details and really figure out whether it's doctor and the 695 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: medical team should be allowed to continue practice medicine. So 696 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't really understand what happened. I'd like to know 697 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: more details. This was the case I was reviewing for 698 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: the California Medical Board. I would give my usual recommendation, 699 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: which is this is an extreme deviation from the stand 700 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 1: of pere who shows a gross incomfidence and fundamental lack 701 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: of knowledge, and the doctor should be suspended. And so 702 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that. The only good news now is 703 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,439 Speaker 1: once there is a criminal indictment that does go back 704 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: to the medical board, and the medical board typically at 705 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: least in California, will suspend a doctor until that criminal 706 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: case has been adjudicated. I'll tell you, David Woodruff, I 707 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: do not envy you. Wish you so much luck with this. 708 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, here's a problem David for me. Anyway, Jurys 709 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: love medical doctors love them. You're going to have to 710 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: fight fire with fire because you've got to bring in 711 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: another great doctor h Debro to make the jury love 712 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: him or her. Because when this guy comes in, you 713 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: know he's going to be very persuasive and likable. And 714 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, David Woodruffe, you got your work 715 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: cut out for you, and God speed. I cannot even 716 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: imagine what these parents have gone through, probably blaming themselves 717 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: thinking every day, what could I have done differently? I 718 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't have let her do it? How are they, David. 719 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 1: They're devastated, as you can expect. They missed their daughter tremendously. 720 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: They regret every day having her go to doctor Kim 721 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 1: and his practice. You know, they wish they could go 722 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,879 Speaker 1: back and do this all again and discourage her. Oh, 723 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven be with this family. Good luck 724 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,439 Speaker 1: to you, David Woodruffe, Doctor Joy, Dan Corcentino, Nicole, thank 725 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 1: you for letting me speak so much with doctor Dubreux 726 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: and David Woodruff. Doctor Dubreux, I'll see you on the airwaves. 727 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,