Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dorty. Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: Margaret Chow. I am a guest host today on Let's
Speaker 1: Be Clear, and I'm excited to be here. You know,
Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing to be able to continue Shannon's
Speaker 1: work this way, and I'm so excited to do this.
Speaker 1: I think it's really an incredible thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: she's definitely part of my generation and an era where
Speaker 1: I just felt so I think I feel so nostalgic
Speaker 1: for which it may not have been the best time
Speaker 1: for women in the nineties. You know, it was like
Speaker 1: kind of really hard to even be seen as an actor,
Speaker 1: as an Asian American woman. It was really really hard
Speaker 1: to feel visible. I started doing comedy in the eighties
Speaker 1: and so I had a lot of a longer sort
Speaker 1: of time and show business. And then I think because
Speaker 1: I was beginning as a comedian, I didn't really know
Speaker 1: or understand how it would be when I came to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and tart to be an actress. But I
Speaker 1: just couldn't get a role. I couldn't get apart there
Speaker 1: were no acting roles for Asian Americans at all, So
Speaker 1: it was just a very different time and I looked
Speaker 1: up to anybody who was on TV, and of course
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills nine O two one oh was it? That
Speaker 1: was this show. I remember just being so enamored with
Speaker 1: it and thinking, when are we ever going to see
Speaker 1: the Asian version of that? We still haven't. I would
Speaker 1: love to see that. There's I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Asians in school, so maybe that would be something
Speaker 1: in our future. But there's a lot better environment for
Speaker 1: Asian Americans entertainment today. But I think, yeah, Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: nine O two one oh was it and it was
Speaker 1: just such a culture old moment for them and so incredible.
Speaker 1: And I think about like back then also to now
Speaker 1: and looking at all of us, like we're all sort
Speaker 1: of still around. We're all sort of still here, like
Speaker 1: kind of trying to figure out how to age and
Speaker 1: be like older. And I know, like for a long time,
Speaker 1: like even in entertainment, like you just didn't see women age.
Speaker 1: Really It's so interesting how we're very like popular in
Speaker 1: our early twenties and then we sort of just don't
Speaker 1: see us we're like until our seventies and eighties or
Speaker 1: something like that. I'll always want to think about aging
Speaker 1: as being this really spectacular journey, and my journey really
Speaker 1: through life has been just like one day to time
Speaker 1: and just sort of seeing it. So for me, like
Speaker 1: now I'm in this season of talking about aging and
Speaker 1: thinking about being older and thinking about what I can
Speaker 1: impart if there's wisdom that I can impart. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about aging now. I am fifty five. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be fifty six. It's so strange how when you
Speaker 1: get older time really speeds up in a way also
Speaker 1: slows down. It sort of just depends. But I will
Speaker 1: be fifty six, which is the shady side. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think when you're fifty five you could kind of
Speaker 1: claim youth because you're just on the verge. But then
Speaker 1: after fifty five, then you're now senior citizen. Like that's
Speaker 1: the beginning, not of the end, but of the golden years,
Speaker 1: the best time. I think. I really am lucky in
Speaker 1: that I am in really pretty good health. I have
Speaker 1: a strong meditation practice, which keeps me pretty even. I'm
Speaker 1: very regular on check up, some mimograms and things like that,
Speaker 1: which I think is really important. It gets more and
Speaker 1: more important when you get older. I'm also in menopause,
Speaker 1: which for me has been actually really grand. I think
Speaker 1: because we haven't heard about women. We haven't heard much
Speaker 1: about our stories or what's going on that we don't
Speaker 1: really know about menopause. It's like this speaks secret. Well
Speaker 1: the secret is out. It's great. I've been having the
Speaker 1: best time with it. And it's amazing not to have
Speaker 1: this surge of hormones, the cessation of the surge of hormones,
Speaker 1: the kind of like push and pull of the tide
Speaker 1: every month, and to be free of that. It's phenomenal
Speaker 1: because you don't have to really worry about whether your
Speaker 1: decisions you're making are your own or if they're part
Speaker 1: of some biological imperative set forth a billion years ago.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't have a control over We actually
Speaker 1: have control over our own decisions. I realize how much now,
Speaker 1: in my younger life and my younger body, how much
Speaker 1: hormones had control, which is so weird to think about
Speaker 1: that a bunch of chemical reactions dictated the circumstances that
Speaker 1: I would put my life in, like that, the circumstances
Speaker 1: I put myself in, the relationships I would surround myself with.
Speaker 1: So it's really amazing to now have control of that
Speaker 1: because of that, I just I have a good time
Speaker 1: setting boundaries, which I never had before. You know, when
Speaker 1: I was younger, if a guy asked me out on
Speaker 1: a date, I would just go probably move in with them,
Speaker 1: because I just didn't know. I thought that if somebody
Speaker 1: liked you, you had to just be with them, because
Speaker 1: I just was never I just wasn't in control. I
Speaker 1: didn't think I was in control of it, like I
Speaker 1: just thought I had to. It was so weird, like
Speaker 1: I just had such a low self esteem and such
Speaker 1: a low idea of myself that I thought, well, if
Speaker 1: somebody likes me, get I better hang onto that. I
Speaker 1: better make sure that I respect him and do what
Speaker 1: they say, you know, And so I would just get
Speaker 1: in relationships and marriages that I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: in at all, and be tangled up for years and years,
Speaker 1: which is so awful. So now I really am having
Speaker 1: a good time setting boundaries. And somebody asked me out
Speaker 1: on a date and I screamed, Now, like I literally
Speaker 1: screamed no, which is maybe not the nicest way to
Speaker 1: do it, but it was so funny because it was
Speaker 1: like it was almost like a toddler really putting your
Speaker 1: foot down to say oh, And it was felt so
Speaker 1: good to do that. Like, if I'm talking to somebody,
Speaker 1: like I'm this dating thing, I'm trying to date whatever,
Speaker 1: I to start talking to somebody on a dating app.
Speaker 1: This one person I was talking to, and after about
Speaker 1: four or five exchange, I knew that I was this
Speaker 1: person was not for me. So I just said, I
Speaker 1: have mental illness. I'm sorry I blocked him, which is
Speaker 1: so also not the best, but how freeing not to
Speaker 1: have to pretend that I'm interested in somebody because I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I want to spare their feelings. I
Speaker 1: want to look a certain way. I look look like
Speaker 1: I'm okay. I think it's really funny, and it's really fun.
Speaker 1: At least I'm not wasting my time, precious time that
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have. You know, time is our most
Speaker 1: precious resource and it's not renewable. You don't get it back.
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: I think it's just so incredible that it took me
Speaker 1: fifty six years to actually get there, and for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, what an amazing thing to finally realize that
Speaker 1: I can do that. Now that I can finally set
Speaker 1: these boundaries now. And also if there is a relationship
Speaker 1: in my future which could happen, I may find that
Speaker 1: man or woman, or a trans person or a non
Speaker 1: binary person who is the right one, then that's totally amazing,
Speaker 1: you know. But I don't have to waste my time
Speaker 1: with people that are not going to be that in
Speaker 1: order to make myself compliant to societies rules about women,
Speaker 1: societies ideas about women, especially aging women attempting relationship. I'm
Speaker 1: really happy to be exempt from that. And I really
Speaker 1: attribute that to menopause. I really attribute the clarity of
Speaker 1: purpose and mind to the cessation of all these hormones
Speaker 1: that were really clouding my airspace for so long. So
Speaker 1: I think that you know when you're going into perimenopause,
Speaker 1: and then you get into menopause, there's just such a
Speaker 1: feeling of like confusion, and there's a lot like people
Speaker 1: have lots of different symptoms, and I think it can
Speaker 1: be really confusing and really disturbing for some I didn't
Speaker 1: have a game plan because my mother and all of
Speaker 1: my female relatives in the sixties and seventies were getting hysterectomies,
Speaker 1: so they were experiencing an accelerated menopause that was way faster,
Speaker 1: and that sort of didn't really have sort of like
Speaker 1: the slowes cessation as opposed to what mine ended up being,
Speaker 1: So I didn't have them to turn to to advice
Speaker 1: and for advice. And then a lot of the talk
Speaker 1: about menopause was it really was and is really about
Speaker 1: how you kind of encounter insomnia and mood swings and
Speaker 1: there's a temperature thing is off and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: And it actually, for me was symptom wise, was not
Speaker 1: bad at all. I don't know why I got lucky.
Speaker 1: So now I'm also on hormone replacement therapy, which I'm
Speaker 1: really lucky enough to receive, and it's actually really helped me.
Speaker 1: And what it does, it doesn't bring back menstruation. It
Speaker 1: doesn't bring back the level of hormones that we are,
Speaker 1: you know, when we're in that period of time, you
Speaker 1: know where we're still menstruating. It's totally different. It's just
Speaker 1: a very different component to my health that I found
Speaker 1: is just it's very energizing and it's very it supports
Speaker 1: me I think also emotionally. Also, it's not covered by insurance,
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate, so it is almost prohibitively expensive, like
Speaker 1: it's all I can afford it. But it's like not great,
Speaker 1: you know, But I've cut some other things out of
Speaker 1: my life to be able to afford this gender affirming care,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's worthwhile to me. I think
Speaker 1: I'm just a little more prudent about my spending when
Speaker 1: it comes to my health. I think this is the
Speaker 1: most valuable thing. So I've just made those kinds of
Speaker 1: calculations in my head and thought, this is more valuable
Speaker 1: to me than not doing it. And I think it's
Speaker 1: really good. But I think that overall, like as an
Speaker 1: older woman, I just seek contentment, and I just seek happiness,
Speaker 1: and I seek comfort and joy, like I've always lived
Speaker 1: with somebody in my life, like we've always lived with
Speaker 1: a partner. I've always had a relationship, like and they've
Speaker 1: all been unhappy, and I've always had to share my
Speaker 1: space and it's always been miserable. Like my home life
Speaker 1: was never good because I was always sharing with somebody
Speaker 1: that I didn't like. And so now finally I've been
Speaker 1: living alone. I've been living alone for the last few years,
Speaker 1: and it is so wonderful, Like I just love being
Speaker 1: in my house. I love my animals. I love my
Speaker 1: home like I've decorated it to the way that I want.
Speaker 1: When I make a mess, it's my mess, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't appear like a mess to me. You know,
Speaker 1: my messes are self made, so it's like I'll clean
Speaker 1: them up when I get to it, but which I
Speaker 1: usually do. Like I have my rituals where I close
Speaker 1: the house down at night, and you know, for me,
Speaker 1: the grand I think luxury of living alone and like
Speaker 1: sleeping in the middle of the bed and eating I
Speaker 1: eat barbecue Doritos for dinner, Like it's just so great
Speaker 1: to not to have to care for another person. And
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, I think a real luxury for
Speaker 1: women to not have to care because our were everybody
Speaker 1: is entrusted to our care, so we're always caring for
Speaker 1: people all the time. And that was me in every
Speaker 1: relationship I was in, I was always caring for somebody else,
Speaker 1: And like, to now not have to care for anybody else,
Speaker 1: What a gift. So you know, if I ever was
Speaker 1: in a relationship again, I think maybe it would be
Speaker 1: great to still maintain that autonomy of having my own home,
Speaker 1: having my own Netflix queue, like my, Like one of
Speaker 1: my algorithms are are of the result of anybody else.
Speaker 1: It's all mine, like my for you pay it is
Speaker 1: just for me. Like I've like I've just really come
Speaker 1: to appreciate that I've been able to finally bend technology
Speaker 1: to my whim also, And so it's a journey of
Speaker 1: truly getting to know yourself, know your body, know your
Speaker 1: mind without interference from others, without interference from having to
Speaker 1: care for another, without having to put a partner's needs first,
Speaker 1: because that's always what happened, you know, every time I
Speaker 1: was like in a relationship, I would always put their
Speaker 1: needs over mind. Always, even to the point of I
Speaker 1: had this boyfriend who was really threatened by my vibrator.
Speaker 1: He didn't want me. He would like cry because he
Speaker 1: was like not making me have an orgasm. A lot
Speaker 1: was like you realize that the orgasm is still valid
Speaker 1: even if the vibrator is there. You know, the vibrator
Speaker 1: isn't another person, it's a tool to use together. It's
Speaker 1: technology that's helping us be closer. Actually, But he was
Speaker 1: such a misogynist that it was like just really unbearable
Speaker 1: for him to see a woman in having pleasure and
Speaker 1: so what ended up happening is we didn't use the
Speaker 1: vibraty and I would just fake it so it would
Speaker 1: be over. And that's like so depressing, you know, but
Speaker 1: that in order to somehow safeguard his masculinity, it was
Speaker 1: imperative for me to just forego pleasure. And it's so
Speaker 1: gross for me to even acknowledge that happen, and me
Speaker 1: as a feminist woman, for that to have happened is
Speaker 1: in my body my lifetime is like so miserable. He's
Speaker 1: long gone. Also, he voted for Trump. We make these mistakes,
Speaker 1: and because I would just say yes to anybody who
Speaker 1: liked me, because I just thought, who am I to
Speaker 1: say no? Like who am I to say no? Having
Speaker 1: been raised to sort of bend to men's will no
Speaker 1: matter what. It was really just a disgusting thing that
Speaker 1: I put myself through, you know. And so you know,
Speaker 1: getting older, aging, it's really it's just like so freeing
Speaker 1: and so enormously enjoyable. I think that you know that's
Speaker 1: often given sort of thrown out as a threat to women.
Speaker 1: It's like you're going to die alone. Well I hope, so,
Speaker 1: I hope so because that I can't imagine anything better,
Speaker 1: Like how great? What a wonderful thing to look forward to?
Speaker 1: Because in like the aloneness, people can look at it
Speaker 1: two ways, like is it a isolation or is it solitude?
Speaker 1: I like to say solitude. Solitude is like the most
Speaker 1: beautiful expression of self. Isolation is kind of just like
Speaker 1: you're cast out. And I think the better way to
Speaker 1: look at it is really in the beautiful moments of solitude.
Speaker 1: It's really peace, it's really healing. It's healing the wounds
Speaker 1: of a lifetime of not being able to heal. So
Speaker 1: now finally to reach that point of healing. And I
Speaker 1: think we as a nation, we really need to heal.
Speaker 1: I think part of what's happening I feel like we're
Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship with our partner or an ex partner,
Speaker 1: and we've gone back with our ex partner to somehow
Speaker 1: make it right, you know, because your body and your
Speaker 1: mind are going to try to justify what happened. So
Speaker 1: you're going to go back to your abuser and try
Speaker 1: to somehow make it right. Not that that behavior is healthy,
Speaker 1: but that's often what happens if we're just left untreated.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like that's sort of when we
Speaker 1: treat kind of what's happening as like that, like the
Speaker 1: trauma of what's happening now with this administration and all
Speaker 1: of the nightmarish day, day to day headlines that get made,
Speaker 1: it's really that we as a nation are going back
Speaker 1: to our abuser because we just trying to make it right.
Speaker 1: So maybe someday we will all wake up to that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but as a woman on the other
Speaker 1: side of abuse, to acknowledge it at least seems like
Speaker 1: it's part of the healing one of us can heal,
Speaker 1: maybe all of us can heal slowly together. It's so
Speaker 1: hard to know. I'm also very like heartbroken as I
Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen a woman president. I
Speaker 1: just feel like that's what we need. And it's also
Speaker 1: heartbreaking to think that there's so many women who don't
Speaker 1: want a woman president or that they can't envision that
Speaker 1: for themselves. I think countries with female leaders have done
Speaker 1: a lot better. That's just the truth, you know, and
Speaker 1: we could use that, but for whatever reason, we just
Speaker 1: can't right now. And the only way that I can
Speaker 1: combat that is to just make my life as good
Speaker 1: as possible, which I think I can I mean, I
Speaker 1: have a great deal of empathy for so many people,
Speaker 1: but there's so little you can do at this point.
Speaker 1: All we can do is just make our lives good.
Speaker 1: So I would just focus on, if you're an older woman,
Speaker 1: make your life good. And I've been able to do that.
Speaker 1: I've been able to do that because I am very
Speaker 1: aware of what's happening with my finances. I'm very aware
Speaker 1: with what's happening with my business. I'm very aware of
Speaker 1: what's happening with my health. I'm just in real communication
Speaker 1: with every aspect of my life, and I think that's
Speaker 1: super important. I think that also when we finally put
Speaker 1: ourselves first. People always think that's selfish, but really, like,
Speaker 1: when are you going to do that? When you put
Speaker 1: yourself first, you are finally able to be in the
Speaker 1: driver's seat of your own destiny. And this is what
Speaker 1: it's all about. So I'm all about aging. I'm all
Speaker 1: about like also not necessarily giving in to all of
Speaker 1: the pennets of aging. I have a very like advanced
Speaker 1: skincare routine. I haven't really done any plastic surgery, nothing
Speaker 1: like fillers. I have uh not tried. It's weird. I
Speaker 1: have I have like experimented a little bit with like filler.
Speaker 1: It didn't look right on me. I didn't. I just
Speaker 1: don't benefit from fillers. Really, I think it just doesn't
Speaker 1: look I don't know, it's never been anything that seemed
Speaker 1: to look good or seem to work. So I am
Speaker 1: very like I have, like it's not a ten step
Speaker 1: skincare routine, but it's advanced. I use a retinol, I
Speaker 1: use the vitamin C sierrum like I use serums I have,
Speaker 1: I put like I seal it all with zinc. Like
Speaker 1: it's like a very like like laborious thing, but I
Speaker 1: really love it. I do take a lot of like
Speaker 1: I take oral monoxtil from my hair. I have like
Speaker 1: just a whole like routine with that, which I think
Speaker 1: really helps. I think that when we just get very
Speaker 1: real about what we need physically and like doing what
Speaker 1: we want to do with our face and body, like,
Speaker 1: it's like I think it's it's all great. Just plasti
Speaker 1: surgery hasn't been an option for me just because it's
Speaker 1: prohibitively expensive. I think that if you get plastic surgery,
Speaker 1: you want to pay for it, like you get what
Speaker 1: you pay for. You can't you can't go anywhere like discount,
Speaker 1: like don't scrimp on that. Like I think that if
Speaker 1: I were ever to approach that, I would definitely pay
Speaker 1: for the best, not even, but even the best can't
Speaker 1: always have the best outcome. You know, you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: know what your skin is gonna do. You don't necessarily
Speaker 1: know your body's gonna do, you know? I just id
Speaker 1: it like so scary to me. So at this point,
Speaker 1: I haven't considered any real plex surgery, but that may
Speaker 1: change in the future, who knows. I think it's all
Speaker 1: up for whatever happens. You know, you you decide what
Speaker 1: you want to do. I mean, your body your choice.
Speaker 1: For now, at least it stands for now certain things
Speaker 1: like plastic surgery, not other things of course, as we know.
Speaker 1: But I think when the time comes, if I want
Speaker 1: to approach it may be very well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But for now, I just do a
Speaker 1: lot of like good skincare. I pretty much like I'm
Speaker 1: very like adamant about doing it, and I also switch
Speaker 1: it up, but ultimately I think that's like the most
Speaker 1: advantageous and also like try to be judicious about like
Speaker 1: what you're eating, like I think I eat pretty well. Also,
Speaker 1: I eat Doritos like I definitely have like a healthy
Speaker 1: junk food fascination, and I'm definitely candy obsessed. But I
Speaker 1: do get a lot of like greens in and I
Speaker 1: try to do a lot of exercise, so I think
Speaker 1: that also pays off as well. You know. For me,
Speaker 1: I'm just happy that I think is the best beauty
Speaker 1: treatment of all. And beauty has no age. Beauty is
Speaker 1: not about aging. Beauty is experienced at every point in life.
Speaker 1: And beauty also is not necessarily what people think is
Speaker 1: just in the magazines or online or on the baddies
Speaker 1: and Instagram. It's not that beauty is everywhere. I think
Speaker 1: we can all be beautiful. We can claim that it's
Speaker 1: yours to claim if you want it, it's yours to claim.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have any definition attached. It's really I think
Speaker 1: a beauty is really a state of being in the
Speaker 1: place that you want to be. And that's where I
Speaker 1: always feel like I'm always in the place that I
Speaker 1: want to be. And I've been able to negotiate that
Speaker 1: place because I still have fun by like eating junk
Speaker 1: food and watching trash TV and doing whatever, staying up
Speaker 1: late sometimes, but I also try to make it up,
Speaker 1: like I think sleep is like the most important thing.
Speaker 1: I do try to sleep about twelve hours a day,
Speaker 1: which I got in my head. This is because Lebron
Speaker 1: James when he's training during his training phase and like
Speaker 1: when they're playing games, he sleeps twelve hours a day,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was so inspiring, Like if an
Speaker 1: athlete like really like applies their body, like the most
Speaker 1: important training beyond the physical labor and beyond the table,
Speaker 1: the training table, it's the bed. Sleep. It's the most
Speaker 1: important thing. So sleeping about twelve hours a day for
Speaker 1: me is sheer joy because I sleep with my dog
Speaker 1: and three cats, and the bed is loud, it's buzzing,
Speaker 1: it's snoring. It's the most beautiful thing. Marlene Dietrich always
Speaker 1: said to sleep with somebody else, which whether that was
Speaker 1: a person or a dog or a cat, because then
Speaker 1: you all recharge your batteries together. So it's like my
Speaker 1: bed is like one of those like mag safe charging platforms,
Speaker 1: and we're all just getting our charge on together. It's
Speaker 1: really marvelous. I love my bed and I love being
Speaker 1: in it, and I love a cooling sheet and a
Speaker 1: buckwheat pillow, and I have like this machine it's called
Speaker 1: a sleep meet that pumps water into the surface of
Speaker 1: the mattress so it can either cool it or heat
Speaker 1: it up. Right now, it's heated up a little bit,
Speaker 1: which the cats and the dog really love. So sleep
Speaker 1: is the key. I love sleeping so much. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'm going to really enjoy death. My advice to my
Speaker 1: younger self, I think that it's really I would not
Speaker 1: worry so much. Like I was so worried about everything
Speaker 1: and everybody, so concerned about the way that things were
Speaker 1: going and what things were going to be perceived at,
Speaker 1: and what job was I going to get, who was
Speaker 1: going to like me? And all this stuff, and all
Speaker 1: those things that I worried about, none of them ever
Speaker 1: were anything to worry about. It's so weird, how when
Speaker 1: you look back at those, like really things that we're
Speaker 1: so upsetting at the time, and now I look back
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that was really nothing. And it
Speaker 1: really made it clear that almost everything, actually everything that
Speaker 1: I ever obsessed or worried about, things that I thought
Speaker 1: were gonna happen, nothing ever happened. The worst thing I've
Speaker 1: been through never happened. That's I wrote a song that's
Speaker 1: one of the lines is the worst thing I've been
Speaker 1: through never happened. My imagining of a future was so
Speaker 1: much worse than what the actual outcome was. So I
Speaker 1: think my advice to my younger self is don't worry.
Speaker 1: And it's always still like, don't worry. Don't worry. Also,
Speaker 1: like the bad things in life, you don't don't. You
Speaker 1: can't see him coming most of the time, Like you
Speaker 1: just don't. And even if you do, they often don't
Speaker 1: feel the same what you perceive them to feel, like
Speaker 1: you just don't have that sense. It's so interesting, like
Speaker 1: we just waste a lot of worry and breath and
Speaker 1: fear for things that we don't need to be afraid of.
Speaker 1: So that's my advice for my younger self, my advice
Speaker 1: for young women growing up now with such uncertainty, it's
Speaker 1: really we need to like band together and listen to
Speaker 1: each other to figure out how to fight all of
Speaker 1: the things that are coming for us, for coming for
Speaker 1: our rights, for autonomy, for our ability to travel, for
Speaker 1: our ability to speak, for our ability to own property,
Speaker 1: you know, like all the stuff like we and you
Speaker 1: as young women, as inheritors of this broken system and
Speaker 1: this planet, this very very barely hanging together planet, You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out how to fix it and
Speaker 1: keep it going, you know. And it's sad because my
Speaker 1: generation and the generation before mine have really done a
Speaker 1: number on us. Of course, we also fought for our
Speaker 1: own rise, but unfortunately we're getting them removed now. So
Speaker 1: how do we get them back? I think young women
Speaker 1: need to believe in themselves. We were able to do
Speaker 1: it once, we'll be able to do it again. And
Speaker 1: so my advice is to don't worry, but also work.
Speaker 1: Also take care of yourself. Also, you know, when we're struggling,
Speaker 1: we need to just band together. We need to get together.
Speaker 1: We need to listen to each other, encourage each other,
Speaker 1: always encourage each other. Women have to be there for
Speaker 1: each other because we don't we don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. We need to be close, We need to
Speaker 1: be tight. It's an incredible moment in history for women.
Speaker 1: We don't have to take this election result as any
Speaker 1: kind of defeat. We can do is making a call
Speaker 1: to action for all of us, young and old and
Speaker 1: in between, to just band together and get excited about
Speaker 1: what's possible. Everything is possible, and I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: see what we all get to do together. So I
Speaker 1: just I wanted to say thank you for listening to
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Speaker 1: able to continue on with her legacy like this. It's
Speaker 1: such a beautiful way to remember her and her work.
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Speaker 1: so much and I will talk to you later. Thank you.
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