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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dorty. Hi, I'm

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Speaker 1: Margaret Chow. I am a guest host today on Let's

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Speaker 1: Be Clear, and I'm excited to be here. You know,

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Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing to be able to continue Shannon's

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Speaker 1: I think it's really an incredible thing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: she's definitely part of my generation and an era where

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Speaker 1: I just felt so I think I feel so nostalgic

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Speaker 1: for which it may not have been the best time

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Speaker 1: for women in the nineties. You know, it was like

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Speaker 1: kind of really hard to even be seen as an actor,

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Speaker 1: as an Asian American woman. It was really really hard

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Speaker 1: to feel visible. I started doing comedy in the eighties

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Speaker 1: I was beginning as a comedian, I didn't really know

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Speaker 1: or understand how it would be when I came to

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Speaker 1: it was just a very different time and I looked

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Speaker 1: up to anybody who was on TV, and of course

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills nine O two one oh was it? That

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Speaker 1: was this show. I remember just being so enamored with

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Speaker 1: it and thinking, when are we ever going to see

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Speaker 1: the Asian version of that? We still haven't. I would

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Speaker 1: love to see that. There's I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: nine O two one oh was it and it was

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Speaker 1: just such a culture old moment for them and so incredible.

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Speaker 1: And I think about like back then also to now

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Speaker 1: and looking at all of us, like we're all sort

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Speaker 1: kind of trying to figure out how to age and

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Speaker 1: be like older. And I know, like for a long time,

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Speaker 1: like even in entertainment, like you just didn't see women age.

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Speaker 1: Really It's so interesting how we're very like popular in

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Speaker 1: something like that. I'll always want to think about aging

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Speaker 1: as being this really spectacular journey, and my journey really

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Speaker 1: impart if there's wisdom that I can impart. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about aging now. I am fifty five. I'm

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Speaker 1: slows down. It sort of just depends. But I will

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Speaker 1: be fifty six, which is the shady side. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think when you're fifty five you could kind of

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Speaker 1: the beginning, not of the end, but of the golden years,

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Speaker 1: which I think is really important. It gets more and

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Speaker 1: more important when you get older. I'm also in menopause,

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Speaker 1: have mental illness. I'm sorry I blocked him, which is

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Speaker 1: so also not the best, but how freeing not to

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Speaker 1: I'm okay. I think it's really funny, and it's really fun.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just so incredible that it took me

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Speaker 1: fifty six years to actually get there, and for me,

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Speaker 1: So now I'm also on hormone replacement therapy, which I'm

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Speaker 1: And like, to now not have to care for anybody else,

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Speaker 1: great to still maintain that autonomy of having my own home,

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Speaker 1: the things that are coming for us, for coming for

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Speaker 1: you know, like all the stuff like we and you

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Speaker 1: as young women, as inheritors of this broken system and

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Speaker 1: keep it going, you know. And it's sad because my

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Speaker 1: generation and the generation before mine have really done a

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Speaker 1: number on us. Of course, we also fought for our

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Speaker 1: own rise, but unfortunately we're getting them removed now. So

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Speaker 1: how do we get them back? I think young women

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Speaker 1: need to believe in themselves. We were able to do

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Speaker 1: so my advice is to don't worry, but also work.

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Speaker 1: we need to just band together. We need to get together.

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Speaker 1: We need to listen to each other, encourage each other,

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Speaker 1: always encourage each other. Women have to be there for

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Speaker 1: each other because we don't we don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. We need to be close, We need to

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Speaker 1: be tight. It's an incredible moment in history for women.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to take this election result as any

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Speaker 1: kind of defeat. We can do is making a call

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Speaker 1: to action for all of us, young and old and

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Speaker 1: what's possible. Everything is possible, and I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: just I wanted to say thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: Shannon's podcast. Let's be clear, I'm so honored to be

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Speaker 1: able to continue on with her legacy like this. It's

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Speaker 1: such a beautiful way to remember her and her work.

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Speaker 1: And if you would like to follow me on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you can follow me at Margaret Underscore Show. I have

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Speaker 1: a new album called Lucky Gift. It's an album of

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Speaker 1: music that's coming out on February fourteenth, so I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to having you hear it. But thank you

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Speaker 1: so much and I will talk to you later. Thank you.

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