1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: It's well it it is the podcast. It could happen here, 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: but for once, it is not about the world falling apart. 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: It is entirely about putting it back together again. Uh. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: And and joining me to talk about putting it back 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: together again is zero of the other people who are 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: normally on this podcast, But I'm joined by Shannon and 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: John Horonymus, who are part of the team of Organized 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Is working on the Dual Power Gathering. Shannon, John, Welcome, 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Hi, thank you. Hey. So, I 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: guess the first part of the Dual Power Gathering is 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: dual power, and I think we should walk through what 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: actually that is, in what our sort of visions for 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: it look like, because man, I know we've talked about 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: this on the show before, but that was a very 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: very long time ago, but which I mean like probably 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: only like seven months, but you know, feel it feels 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: like ancient history. So yeah, I guess do you two 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: want to talk about what dual power is and how 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: how do you do? Yeah? Sure, I'm gonna stop trying 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: to think about what happened seven months ago and I'm 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: trying to Okay, you said that, I was just like, 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: oh wow, Okay, no, never mind. Um, So dual power, John, 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: how about I go ahead and share with our audience 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: what is sort of the poetic language that we have 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: up on the website from the organizers, and then we 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: can kind of like break it down and talk about it. Um. 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: That works for me, all right? So of the website 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: texts such dual power is a way to imagine the 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: moment just before our movements converge, as the possible becomes 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: the actual, when the seeds of social transformation we have 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: sown for generations bloom, when the old world begins to 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: wither and new worlds can be born. Is a way 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: of thinking about how we got to that moment and 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: beyond it. Dual power is the project of building self determination, 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: mutual aid, solidarity, and direct democracy in our communities by 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: creating spaces that empower us all and from which you 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: do in mansipatory institutions can emerge. It's a pretty yeah. 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: So what does that mean? What does that mean? Um? 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: First off, I want to say like a shout out 40 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: to a lot of people have been working on this 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: vision of what dual power is for years and years now, 42 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: and that includes uh a lot of groups. Um, that 43 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: we are either in conversation with or have been taking 44 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: inspiration from UM. One of the biggest, I think most 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: developed groups that's doing that work is cooperation Jackson Jackson 46 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: Jacks Mississippi UM and UH. I think the goal is 47 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: people went up. Oftentimes when people do like here dual power, 48 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: if they don't have any other UM context for it, 49 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: but they are maybe from the left. They've heard about 50 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: this moment in the Russian Revolution when there were these 51 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: two competing like uh, you know, basis of power in 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: like Russian society while they're undergoing this revolutionary change, and 53 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: uh Lenin wrote like a pamphlet about it, calling it 54 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: the dual power, and looked at it as like a 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: thing that needed to be like overcome by you know, 56 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: workers in Russia UM too, like establish a workers state UM, 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: which they kind of outlined in a book called State 58 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: and Revolution. And but when we look at what they 59 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: were describing, we kind of look at this as a 60 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: thing that emerges in any time when there's a social 61 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: revel kind of unfolding in a society where you have 62 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: various classes who are like changing like social relations, workers, peasants, UM, 63 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: different groups of people who like have like a class 64 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: they have come together around a class interest and overthrowing 65 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: their oppression, and they have to go through stages of 66 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: building their collective power their collective identity there, and they're 67 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: kind of like overall strategic movement in a particular direction, UM, 68 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: and they create this tension between the existing state order 69 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: and a newly emerging like uh like social revolution that's 70 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: like overthrown, challenging UH and overthrowing that like UM power. 71 00:04:53,880 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: So that being said, we want to ground that. We 72 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: want to ground that a little bit in a like 73 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: less historicized context or whatever. We could say, maybe that's 74 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: the work that we're doing to build up the institutions 75 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: and relational structures that we need to care for ourselves 76 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: in each other UM as we moved through uh sort 77 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: of like different states of like institutional organization in the society. Right. 78 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: So when we're thinking about how do we meet our 79 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: basic needs together in ways that are not dependent on 80 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: the pressive institutions that we're trying to overthrow, we're talking 81 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: about dual power. Yeah, it's like any time working class folks, 82 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: And it's like in a broad definition communities people who 83 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily working but like depend on like taking care 84 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: of each other or who do the work of reproducing 85 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: every you know, society, UM basically build their own independent 86 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: power like uh to chance, like to be able to 87 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: fight back, to challenge the you know, the status quo. 88 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: So like there's a lot of things they're kind of 89 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: percolating that we've been like that have been happening in 90 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: North America that takes inspiration from areas of the global South, UM, 91 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: but also our homeown homegrown like traditions UM. So that 92 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: could being anything from like your local mutual aid network 93 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: to uh your local tenant union to like a rank 94 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: and file UM union of like Amazon workers or teachers 95 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: or care workers, UM. You know whose existence puts them 96 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: in conflict with the state capital UM and like patriarchy, 97 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: settler colonial relations um. You know, like indigenous water protectors UM, 98 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: folks who are building up places where the more developed 99 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: it becomes, the more it kind of built its own momentum. 100 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: And you have spaces that are like autonomous fully like 101 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: autonomous regions from like state power and to begin to 102 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: like pick apart at capital and like reconfigure are like 103 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: relations of like how we make things and do things 104 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: and take care of each other in like fundamental ways, 105 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: and we have lots of beautiful examples of this from 106 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: the like organizing history not even that long ago, and 107 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: people will be familiar with some of the Black Panther 108 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: programs or some of the programs that were integrated into 109 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: the farm workers movement, and some of the programs that 110 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: were put together by the anarchi feminists who were trying 111 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: to support women's bodily autonomy and secure abortion rights through 112 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: things like mutual aid healthcare and and things like that. 113 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: So we'll see there's like a lot of really beautiful 114 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: examples of this work happening over time around successful organizing movements. 115 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: And we're all really excited about what's going on now 116 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: and we want to see that just to sort of 117 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: come together and a flourish I think it's important to 118 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: think about do a power or something that's like I 119 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: don't know, like I I think there's a lot of 120 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: people who look at it as sort of like dual 121 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: power is planting a garden, and it's like, I mean 122 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: sort of yes, but like there's you know, they're there. 123 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: There's there's sort of two components of it right there. 124 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: There's this sort of there's a defensive component and an 125 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: offensive component. There's a component that's about taking care of 126 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: each other, and there is a component that is attack. Right, 127 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: there's there's there's a component that is the people who 128 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: are preventing us from taking care of each other need 129 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: to be stopped from doing that. And so yeah, I 130 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: think I think it's important to, yeah, think about different 131 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: kinds of like, different kinds of institutions that you would 132 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: not normally think of as doing the same thing, as 133 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: being part of the same struggle. And yeah, I guess 134 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: that brings us to what YouTube and a lot of 135 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: other people have been working on. For god, it's been 136 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: this been in the work for a long time. Yeah, 137 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: which which which is the which is the this uh 138 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: dual power gathering? And yeah, I guess you sul want 139 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: to talk about what what that is because yeah, yeah, well, 140 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, we've all been sitting around the past couple 141 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: of years dreaming about being together, and so I think 142 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: this is kind of the fruit of that dream. Right 143 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: coming up at the end of July, UH, we're inviting 144 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: everyone out to the Indiana Dunes for a camping trip, 145 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: uh and during that time, we're hoping to see a 146 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: collaboratively produced event that incorporates everything that the participants can 147 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: bring to it, which we know far exceeds the uh 148 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: sort of even the scope vision of the organizing body. 149 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: So we're really trying to um, just create a space 150 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: for people to come together. We are interested in these 151 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: ideas who have various levels of experience working with it 152 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: that will be valuable to everybody, from people who are 153 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: brand new to this stuff and just want to learn 154 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: more about it too, people who have have been doing 155 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: it for years, for decades even um And yeah, that's 156 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: sort of the the underlying ambition of it is to 157 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: get people together in space. You know, a lot of 158 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: us have been to these kinds of events before and 159 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: felt like the most important thing that we got out 160 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: of that was the relationships that we were able to 161 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: build and the people that we were able to meet 162 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: that we could then carry on ongoing dialogues with, and 163 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: that we could find inspiration uh in in those dialogues 164 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: and in those connections that would birth new projects that 165 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: you know, we don't yet know are even possible. And 166 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: so this is kind of, at least for me, like 167 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: that's the really important and exciting force of the of 168 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: the plan. Yeah, yeah, I think that why they're the 169 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: Some of the things about this I think are really 170 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: like it's been like really a collaborative effort to come 171 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: up with this thing, Like we had the discussions about 172 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: this is a thing that needs that we thought need 173 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: to happen, because at the end of like by the 174 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: end of the middle of one, we're like, look, clearly, 175 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: we've all been through so many different experiences over the 176 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: last ten, fifteen, twenty years. At this point some of 177 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: us are getting to be elders, and um, we uh 178 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: and we need to like, um, it feels like it's 179 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: now is an excellent a really great time to have 180 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: like a actual conversation about where we where we're coming, 181 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: where we are, where we're coming from, and where we're 182 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: going and how do we translate these experiences into like 183 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: networks of like trusting relationships and sharing u a sharing 184 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: of all this knowledge. Is like we need to debrief 185 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: like the like the past five years I think in particular, 186 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: have been like it's like crammed. It feels like, you know, 187 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: the whole saying like some some years nothing happens, and 188 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: some you know, in some months decades happen paraphrasing or whatever, 189 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: and it's like so much stuff has come. We've all 190 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: gone through so many things and come to like, uh, 191 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: and we're seeing people who didn't have like maybe a 192 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: stance on various political things or are like seeing their 193 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: communities torn apart by like the real lived experience of 194 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: like climate change and wants to and need to do 195 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: something about it. That sort of thing like bringing in 196 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: people who have lots of experience with people who have 197 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: maybe are just now figuring things out and really kind 198 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: of like musing and taking this as an opportunity to 199 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: maybe to generate new knowledge so that we're going to 200 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: like kind of like clarifying what we've gone through and 201 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: where we're heading, and um get people like in the 202 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: same space who like might as a like I do 203 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: a lot of union ship, So I'm always thinking about 204 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: how do I get like rank and file union radicals 205 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: in the same space as like a like a neighborhood 206 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: abolitionist or a tenant union organizer or a community land 207 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: trust and getting all these like different groups because together 208 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: and then like thinking about how they overlap in support 209 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: and build off of each other. Because we I think 210 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: the operating theory of many of people who are involved 211 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: in this is that every context is different where we're organizing, 212 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: but many there are many kind of principles that can 213 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: kind of translate across context, but the context will shape 214 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: very like like the I was just talking with one 215 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: of the organizers who's like twenty minutes away over in 216 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: northwest Indiana and you're like in Gary, and you know 217 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: those areas and their context for building something like a 218 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: an ecosystem too. Power organizations is going to be very 219 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: different from my context where I am like down the 220 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: street from this big global center of capital that's like 221 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: University of Chicago and like, and it's doing all in 222 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: my neighborhoods being gentrified by two billion dollar corporations and 223 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: I've got a big nurse union, whereas they're in the 224 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: middle of like a neighbor community that's being actively divested 225 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: and destroyed like just like eating away at by like 226 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: because capital just pulling out and has been doing that 227 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: for basically as long as you've all been. At the 228 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: same time, y'all are dealing with the same like biosphere 229 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: complications and climate change implications, and so yeah, we're thinking 230 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: about the ways in which like the kinds of affiliations 231 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: that makes sense for us to be successful in our 232 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: projects are like, you know, they're not just They're not 233 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: just local, they're not just national, they're not just continental. 234 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: There's like a lot of different things that are going 235 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: on there. And that's the only way for us to 236 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: really like sort out who we need to be in 237 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: coaligion with on any particular issue is to know everybody, 238 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: uh and to try to understand better there They're specific 239 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: contexts and their specific experiences. And I think there's like, 240 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think, you know, to John's point about, 241 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, how much has changed in the last two, 242 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, handful of years or whatever. I think one 243 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: thing that we've all come away from the pace of 244 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: change is pretty humbling, you know. Um, I think we 245 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: definitely all we gotta we got We took in a 246 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: bit of the humility around around that what is it 247 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: that we actually need to do? We are definitely not 248 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: prepared for it, you know. And it doesn't matter how 249 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: many decades we've been doing this organizing work. We just 250 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: are not ready for how quickly things are changing right now. 251 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: And the only way for us to get ready is 252 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that we show up and strengthen the 253 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: networks of people that we can rely on to produce 254 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: kind of positive interdependence um as we move forward with 255 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: the continued chaos that is the contemporary world. Yeah, I mean, 256 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: and then part of this is also like thinking about 257 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: because the way this is structured, this isn't just like 258 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,239 Speaker 1: a series of panel discussions where we've like the organizers 259 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: have curated like you you're gonna listen to you know, uh, 260 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: so and so who's like, you know, a prominent tenant 261 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: organizer so and so. It is like a prominent like 262 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: uh like in like climate change direct action work. Like 263 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: the goal is is that we like specifically chose a 264 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: format and like officially it's called like like an unconference, 265 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: but the way I think of it is it's like 266 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: which which comes out of tech, which I find kind 267 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: of irritating, But that doesn't But the core of the 268 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: idea of the thing is is that we're coming into 269 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: this space in generating new knowledge, not necessarily sitting there 270 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and receiving a bunch of knowledge from people who designate 271 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: as like movement leaders or experts. That doesn't mean that 272 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: people who don't have a lot of experience and a 273 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: lot of like skills aren't going to be there. It 274 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: just means that we're going to be because one of 275 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: my things is popular education, coming from the tradition of 276 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: like Palo Fair and like um, everybody learning together is 277 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: like it's like taking those principles and kind of like 278 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: doing them in parallel in various circles. Where there will 279 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: be a circle here of like cooperative organizers or people 280 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: who want to get coops off the ground. Will be 281 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: a circle here of people doing land trust work, will 282 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: be a circle here of like unionists. There will be 283 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: a circle here of people doing like abolition work, and 284 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: or interest are people who are interested in all those things, 285 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: are getting those sorts of things off the ground. And 286 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: as they work through like a like they present tell stories, 287 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: share ideas, do debriefs on like the various things that 288 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: we've all been going through over you know whatever, how 289 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: far back our timeline is depending on how far which 290 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: elders decided to attend UM. But then taking that knowledge 291 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: with our facilitators and then being like, you know what, 292 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: I think that these two conversations are happening kind of 293 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: like in parallel would be better if they were merged 294 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: together and beginning to kind of like build that sort 295 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: of like and so the idea isn't necessarily come away 296 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: with like a pre like we're not setting up like 297 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: a like a predetermined set of conclusions for people we 298 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: believe and based off of we've been having monthly community 299 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: calls for people who are going to be attending. All 300 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: the different groups of folks who will be coming to 301 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be I think, like the depth 302 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: of experience is going to be really phenomenal. Um and 303 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 1: people coming from We definitely have people confirmed who are 304 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: coming from Canada, people who we may be having folks 305 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: with experience the indigenous communities is uh in Mexico, we 306 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: maybe have We're fairly confident we're gonna have people who 307 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: are like just come from areas like northern Syria and 308 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: iraq Um and taking all these different ideas and experiences 309 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: and then generating next like coming to new conclusions, maybe 310 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: unexpected conclusions or things that we didn't quite that we 311 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: weren't anticipating, but maybe asking new questions right Like this 312 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: is a kind of intended to be a pre figure 313 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: of space for engaging with things where we don't know 314 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: what the right answer is. And I think we all 315 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: need to release sit with the fact that we do 316 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: not have like a clearer right solution into the problems 317 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: that we're facing right now. Like I've been kind of 318 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: pulling on the slogan a little. It's like no gods, 319 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: no masters, no right answers, you know, just like get 320 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: used to it. We need to be more creative and 321 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: we need to be more open to experimentation. And you know, 322 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of there's a lot of stuff 323 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: that's going to be coming at us fast. And you know, 324 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: this is a we we we hope this can be 325 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: a space where we can kind of take some time 326 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: to slowly get square with what it is we're going 327 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: to have to be thinking about, even if we don't 328 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: know what to do exactly yet. So I had I 329 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: had a really good experience where I was listening to 330 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: like one of the like a person who came out 331 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: of act Up giving a talk in my neighborhood. And 332 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: she was saying, because we had had questions, is this 333 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: going to be about a lot of theory? Are we're 334 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about a lot of abstract stuff? And um, 335 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: this organizer was like, you know, act Up had no theory, 336 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: right they did, they took action and the theory followed afterwards, 337 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: and so the idea that we're like necessarily having coming 338 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: to this with like the right answers already figured out 339 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,239 Speaker 1: is just not like something that I think it's going 340 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: to be a super generative discussion. The idea of coming 341 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: up with like coming up with orientations and thinking about 342 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: like where we are heading kind of in a general sense, 343 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: and then seeing how that unfolds and builds is I 344 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: think a big, key, key aspect of what we're trying 345 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: to do when we come together. We'ch is not to 346 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: say yeah, which is not to say that there won't 347 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: be theory, because that's not up to us. That's up 348 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: to y'all. So you know, um, I probably you know, 349 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: like what I'm really interested in is having conversations about 350 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: the community mental health care, you know, And like, for me, 351 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: the theory is less interesting than you know, like talking 352 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: about what we actually need in the spaces that we again, 353 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: but that's you know, that's where I'm coming from, and 354 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: everybody else is coming at this from their own perspective too, 355 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to see what people bring to 356 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: that space and what we can get out of it. 357 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: Um by just thinking that we all are contributing something 358 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: constructive to that conversation. Well, and then also there's gonna 359 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: be a lot of discussions about like literal practical skills, 360 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: like here's how you like, here's how you uh. This 361 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: has always been the perennial thing. This is how you 362 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: pick a lot, This is how you uh, this is 363 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: how you organize comms at like at like a like 364 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: on a picket line. This is how you pull together 365 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: uh a demand letter for like a list for like tenants, 366 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: like you know, these are the sorts of things that 367 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: like we're gonna be talking. We're going to be doing 368 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: concrete skill shares, plus these discussions about our experiences and 369 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: sharing our stories and you know, hopefully we're going to 370 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: come away from this. A big goal of it is 371 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: to um come up with a lot of like different 372 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: like um just like content. We're going to be recording 373 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: videos and uh like audio and like also and then 374 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: transcribing things and writing things up and we're hoping that 375 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: once we're then we're gonna have a big report that 376 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: we can share out with people who can't attend. Yeah, 377 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: privacy concerns obviously considered, so yeah, for sure, Yeah, there 378 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: is a very consent is a big is a big 379 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: thing with us as organizers, I should help. So yeah, 380 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: you would think, but you know, not everyone is down 381 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: as you would imagine. Okay, So basically we're building a 382 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: perfect little utopia for like four days and you all 383 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: come out because we're going to fix the revolution. So 384 00:23:48,840 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: kidding obviously, on on on a work on crete level, Like, 385 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: what does like a day here look like? Like? What 386 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: what are what? What are we doing? Oh? That's fun, 387 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: that's a fun question. Uh, if I may, John, Yeah, yeah, 388 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: go for it. Um, what we're thinking right now basically, 389 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: is it a day It looks like we get up 390 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: in the morning, we drink coffee, we have breakfast, and 391 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: we have a little assembly check in to see how 392 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: things are going if we need to make any major adjustments, 393 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: and we put up a uh sort of schedule for 394 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: the afternoon's events that was populated from the conversation that 395 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: was happening in the evening the night before and anything 396 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: that anybody wants to bring up to that schedule that 397 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: happened between yesterday and this morning. Uh, then we're gonna 398 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: roll off into um basically what would be some of 399 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: the kind of like things we already know for sure 400 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: that we wanted to see happening that we could get 401 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: on a on a sort of schedule ahead of time. 402 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: So some of these skill shares we're planned that would 403 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: require kind of like pre planning or maybe some discussions 404 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: that people reached out ahead of time that they definitely 405 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: wanted to have, so that stuff would be happening earlier 406 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: in the day. Um, the you know, we're we're talking 407 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: about having sort of just like sandwich bars and you know, 408 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: make your own lunch kind of situations going on. There 409 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: should be a lot of different things happening in different 410 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: geographical locations on the site, so you kind of get 411 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: get a choice of where you want to go. It's 412 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: not like there's one big event. Um, we're going to 413 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: try to group things that are sort of thematically similar 414 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: in so that they're nearby each other in case you 415 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: want to go around and see, um what the different 416 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: kind of stuff is going to be. And then in 417 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: the afternoon it's going to be like I mean you okay, 418 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: of course, this is like how we're intending right now. 419 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: The afternoon would be the discussions and skill shares and 420 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: events and circles and spaces that um, we're generated out 421 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: of the conversations that have been happening in space, so 422 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: that people came and thought, you know, we had this 423 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: conversation yesterday that really inspired me. Let's talk about this, 424 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: and I'm going to make space for that. So we're 425 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: gonna have big map where you figure out where you 426 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: want to go, and you're gonna be able to wander 427 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: around and meet people. We're trying to incorporate a lot 428 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: of events that make it easier to meet other people 429 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: that you don't know yet. Um. Where there's gonna be 430 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: tables where you can do arts and crafts. There's gonna 431 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: be game space for whatever kind of games you want 432 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: to play. There's gonna be places for kids to hang out. 433 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a quiet tent where you can take 434 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: some contemplation time. You know, at some point we want 435 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: to do it like a kind of brief circle for 436 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: people to deal with what they've been kind of going 437 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: through in the world. And you know some uh you know, 438 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 1: Utopia Envisioning Arts space, you know, these kinds of things 439 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: like where, um, you know, somebody wants to teach someone 440 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: else a dance, Like that's the kind of thing that 441 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: we're really hoping can go on in the afternoon. Uh, 442 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: then we would be feeding everybody dinner. And we kind 443 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: of had this idea we've been playing with that we 444 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: would have two campfires after dinner, and one campfire will 445 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: have kind of an open forum where anybody can talk 446 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: for like ten, fifteen, any minute, you know, whatever however 447 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: long people need, who are they're depending on how popular 448 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: that is, and just kind of air everything that's in 449 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: their head. And we'll have a NoteTaker so we can 450 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: try to incorporate what comes out of those discussions into 451 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: the next days to agenda um. And so that's sort 452 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: of like what we were what we were envisioning. And 453 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: then for the other campfire because people who don't the 454 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: other the other the other camp fire for people who 455 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: are like done with talk, I need to just sit 456 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: and stare at some flames for a little bit. Yeah, 457 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: I imagine I'll be going back and forth between the fires. 458 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: So you know, that's also an option. But the idea 459 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: is to get kind of like somewhere between I think 460 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: what we call it is like somewhere between a conference 461 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: and a music festival, you know what I mean, Like 462 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: there where you're able to sort of move around and 463 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: you don't have to go and sit in one place 464 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: and do like okay for this hour, this is where 465 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's meant to be a bit 466 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: more informal, um and we're hoping that that makes a 467 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: lot more space for people to sort of explore and 468 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: people to meet other people that they don't already know. 469 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if that if that, if that sums 470 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: up sort of like what I'm imagining, because that's like, 471 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, that's the spirit. So I think if that's 472 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: the question, like what does the date look like, well, 473 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: hopefully it's fun. You know, that's kind of the main 474 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: the main thing we're thinking here, So make it sort 475 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: of low stress and low stakes place that we can 476 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: talk about some of the highest stress and highest stakes 477 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: questions that we have to deal with. So yeah, and 478 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: like that being said, like because we're modeling it this 479 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: way specifically based on people's experience with like the Symbiosish 480 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: Federations founding conference, that sort of thing where there were 481 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: a lot of stakes and people were trying to kind 482 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: of like funnel different discussions through different ways. And this 483 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: is not a necessarily critique of how that all went down. 484 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: It's just like based on our experience and our experiences 485 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: with those sorts of things. The goal is too for 486 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: this to be if it's successful, the first of many 487 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: of these sorts of things, UM, many of these kind 488 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: of gatherings and discussions, and to provide a model for 489 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: how it could happen. But to keep UM, we deliberately 490 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,479 Speaker 1: decided that this we're not going to make like a bit. 491 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: We're not going to have big points of unity debate 492 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: and discussion in voting on assembly sort of thing. We 493 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: will use assemblies for you know, certain things like setting 494 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: up like our community agreements and that sort of stuff, 495 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: and kind of like getting the days rolling and kind 496 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: of getting the days closed. But the goal is, like 497 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: to not is to bring people into conversation who haven't 498 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: who maybe don't have the basis of trust for those 499 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: bigger collective like discussions yet, but maybe they will later. 500 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: But the goal is for now is we're getting we're 501 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: building and expanding our networks. We're building expanding our trust 502 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: with different people and building expanding our knowledge so that 503 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: we can go out and do the kind of work 504 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: that we think we need to do to I don't 505 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: know survived as a species on this planet. So Um, 506 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why if there are some 507 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I don't know, this seems really 508 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of wishy washy. It's very that was a very 509 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: deliberate decision based on previous experience from organizers who have 510 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: been to these sorts of things, and the goal is 511 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: really too to have a place where we can have 512 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: discussions about high stakes issues without being so invested in 513 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: it that we feel like if our concept of how 514 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: to solve that problem doesn't come out as the like solution, 515 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: that we've somehow failed. So it's like, yeah, I was 516 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: to say that I think one of the one of 517 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: these things that you that you brought up there that's 518 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: really important. It's like, not even just in these previous 519 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: conferences or congresses or gatherings that we've been to have 520 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: we seen to be a problem. But basically, at least 521 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: I can speak for myself in a lot of organizings 522 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: spaces that I've been in over the past, you know, 523 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: like fifteen years that I've been pretty active in in 524 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: the organizing universe. Um, basically that one of the main 525 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: problems that we have with this kind of like space 526 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: of trust that we definitely know that we need to 527 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: be able to work together and moving forward. Is that 528 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: we don't really have shared language a lot of the time, 529 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: and we think we do because we use the same words, 530 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: but we often use them to mean different things, or 531 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: we often use different words to mean the same things 532 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: as well, And that we come from kind of different 533 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: organizing cultures and a lot of different places like that 534 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: some are more, are less. We should say that maybe 535 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: that there there are different places where you show solidarity 536 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: in a different way, you show good faith, and you 537 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: show that you're committed in a different way. What it 538 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,719 Speaker 1: means to be democratic in a space seems different depending 539 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: on this on the tradition that you that you maybe 540 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: come from. So what we're really hoping to do is 541 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: kind of makes space to incorporate all of that. So 542 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: we were was joking and it was a camping trip 543 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: where many upping trips fit, you know that, like that 544 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: there should be an opportunity for people to kind of 545 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: like learn to talk past those those barriers that we 546 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: might have to to understanding each other, and like that 547 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: success would really look like people coming away believing in 548 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: other people's commitment to get this done and with the 549 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,239 Speaker 1: kind of contacts that they need to support each other 550 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: moving forward as things come up in different places, as 551 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: opposed to just like here's a solution, like here's a 552 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: blueprint for how to get this done. You know that 553 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: relationship that you have with a person who's had that 554 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: experience in the past is going to be way more 555 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: valuable than any document they give you based on their experience, 556 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: because you're gonna be able to say, well, ship, I 557 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: wasn't expecting this to happen, Like what do we do? 558 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: And then you can talk through that with them, and 559 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: like that's really I think that's really the foundation of 560 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: our being able to share this knowledge with each other 561 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: is that we have the opportunity to kind of engage 562 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: in these ways that are more focused on the kind 563 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: of just sort of dynamism of the of the challenges 564 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with right now. So emergence is a 565 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: big thing. Things are always gonna like things that are 566 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 1: always going to be changing, Like, uh, we are we 567 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: need to be prepared to deal with a world that's 568 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: gonna be throwing challenges at us that like we haven't 569 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: like we haven't had solutions for and like because we're 570 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: going through this like really kind of like catastrophic like uh, 571 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: the moments of like uh climate change and um, I mean, 572 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say it, but like 573 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: and and so it's it's like engendering the idea, the 574 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: idea that we're constantly evaluating what's happening around us, both 575 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: like at our local level and across the regions and globally, 576 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: and then taking new knowledge in and coming up with 577 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: new solutions um in a real like in like a 578 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: truly experimental way, like thinking about things is like experiments, 579 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: and how we're going to like come up with new 580 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: solutions to these problems because it's just well, like as 581 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: we kept telling people, because when we're out there trying 582 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: to bring groups in, everyone is selling us our capacity. 583 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: This sounds great, Our capacity is incredibly low. Uh. And 584 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: that has just been across the entire spectrum of organizations, 585 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: and that includes huge, big put together organizations like you know, 586 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: unions versus little mutual a groups. Everybody is dealing with 587 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: this like feeling of exhaustion and like capacity. Our goal 588 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: is to get people together so that they can build 589 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: capacity um through these discussions and be prepared for or 590 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: think because capacity is always going to be an issue 591 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: and our goal is to get people to this point 592 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: where because they're um, their mindset is okay, new challenge. 593 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: Let's think about it critically and come up with solutions 594 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: that fit this moment as supposed to keep trying to 595 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: force things into um preset like easy. I mean, I 596 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: don't want to say easy, but like I think that 597 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: sometimes like everyone's trying to mind history for the like 598 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: the one weird trick to solve all these problems. And 599 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: I think that the one weird trick is that human 600 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: beings are creative, critical thinking machines. Like our our brain 601 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: is like this thing for taking in information and generating 602 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: new new thought and action. And we need to embrace that, 603 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: um because if we don't, I don't think we're going 604 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: to be very successful certainly. And the yeah, and these 605 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: times of just increasing uncertainty, that kind of humility and 606 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: flexibility and like continued building of comfort with that uncertainty 607 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: is going to be super essential to our being able 608 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: to maintain even sort of like the basic ability to 609 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: take action. And I think so we're going to have 610 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: to like continue to like to lean into that uncertainty 611 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: and to sort of I think, you know, kind of 612 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: historically the being comfortable with things changing and being comfortable 613 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: with uncertainty is actually one of our great strengths, right 614 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: because we can actually start to get moving while everybody 615 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: else is still going, what the hell you know? And 616 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: so I think, you know, that's going to definitely be 617 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: something that's going to serve us. And yeah, anyway, I 618 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: have I have one last question on an extremely practical level, 619 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: which is like, what is the like facility situation here? 620 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: Like how what what are what are people sleeping in? Uh? So, 621 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: like right now where we like, we have camp space 622 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: reserved for two people UM and so we understand the 623 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: camping is not always super accessible, but we are very 624 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: fortunate that like the National Lake Shore has specific accessible 625 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: facilities UM for folks, and we do have disabled like 626 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: UH comrades coming to this event, and we're working on 627 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: making sure that those uh that their particular needs don't 628 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: keep them from participating fully in the events. There's UM 629 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: the discussions and circles themselves will be UM at like 630 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: shelter space UM a bit away from where the camping 631 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: is happening, So we're organizing transport between us to split 632 00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: those spaces UM for people who cannot camp. We are 633 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: working organizing some hotel space for folks UM and then 634 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: for people who can camp but don't have any equipment. 635 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: Our goal is to we're going to um basically acquire 636 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: like enough camping equipment for a sizeable chunk of folks 637 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: to come. And uh it's like literally today walking through 638 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: a Walmart with my daughter looking at their camp equipment 639 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: in pricing out things like sleeping bags and camp like 640 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: sleeping mattresses, intense that sort of thing. So yeah, if 641 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: people have have stuff they want to donate to the 642 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: cause to like, I think we should be able to 643 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: take some of that in. I think we were just 644 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: talking yesterday about the possibility of having like camp gear 645 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: repair zone, so you have things that you find at 646 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: the thrift store that like a tour intent or something 647 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: like that will help you fix it. You know. We 648 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: just want to make sure that everybody has these uh 649 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: applies as well because they're they're broadly useful. I know 650 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: I've used my camping gear in uh some politically motivated 651 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: ways in the best I think that it's not bad 652 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: for people to have it if you need it. Just also, 653 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, the camping aspect of it is also it's 654 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: more of a feature than a bug, Like there's like 655 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: a like so to so to speak, like the pandemic 656 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 1: is not over yet, as we're like seeing right um 657 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: in spite of everything that like a ruling class is 658 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: desperately trying to get us to uh agree to and 659 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: so having um the accommodations outside and doing the doing 660 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: the actual events like out of doors where there's lots 661 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: of ventilatation, we think it is like right now one 662 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: of these events so that we're not going to get 663 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: so the people aren't going to come away from this 664 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: getting sick, which is really important m from I mean 665 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: as a person who's recovering from COVID H COVID rounds 666 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: two UM and as a healthcare worker. That was one 667 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: of our big concerns because we when we started making 668 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: these plans, we really weren't sure what was going to 669 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: be happening in terms of the pandemic, and having it 670 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: out of doors was just like a sure fireway that 671 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: we knew that we could at the very least we 672 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: can minimize the chances that people would be getting sick 673 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: from just showing up and being the same space together. Absolutely, 674 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: and we're definitely encouraging people who are coming together with 675 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: friends and comrades and little groups to self organize their 676 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: camps as much as they would like to do that UM, 677 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: to sort of make plans together to limit the UM 678 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, the need for spaces. You know, we're sharing 679 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: up tents and all this kind of stuff, which to 680 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: the extent that people are comfortable with that that you 681 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: know people well, if you need to get in touch 682 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: with people from around you, if you don't know anybody, 683 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: you can reach out to us. If we know anybody 684 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: else who's looking for somebody to try to coordinate with, 685 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: will definitely put you in touch to. Something we want 686 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: to be able to do is like offer some of 687 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: these connective services to help people UM to link up 688 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: with people who are coming from from their areas or 689 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: people who are interested in the same kinds of things UM. 690 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: And so we're kind of thinking of ourselves in the 691 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: organizing body is facilitators of those connections and trying to 692 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: imagine how what we do will make those connections most 693 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: likely to happen. UM. So in terms of the of 694 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: the facilities as well, I think we we've talked about 695 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: trying to get some camp stoves together for people who 696 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: need to use sort of a kitchen space to try 697 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: to limit the amount of things that people need to 698 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,359 Speaker 1: bring for that, but definitely feel free uh to bring 699 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: bring your own stuff and and and set up whatever 700 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: whatever you need and let us know if you need 701 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: help from us, well we'll do our best to accommodate that. 702 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: And people are getting fed arranged and that will be 703 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 1: vegan and uh with the caveat that folks who want 704 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: to have separate food can like do their own self 705 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 1: organized like cooking with that other thing they that they're 706 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: really committed to UM. And we're playing and having like 707 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: all the necessities of like lots of water, make sure 708 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: that like we've got first aid lined up. There's gonna 709 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: be street medics who are participating in the work of 710 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 1: organizing all that harm reduction UM and just generally, like 711 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: like some of the other things that didn't really mentioned, 712 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: like we know that we're bringing a bunch of people 713 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: with a lot of big ideas and big personalities together 714 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: and that means we're probably gonna have to deal with 715 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: some conflict maybe I don't know, so having UM conflicts 716 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: uh read like people who are good at mediating conflict. 717 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: We're going to have a crew of people who do that. 718 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,959 Speaker 1: We're working on child watch training because this is gonna 719 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: be like the family from space, making sure that we 720 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,720 Speaker 1: know how to take care of each other in case 721 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: like shady people from outside trying to do something like whatever. 722 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: Like our goal is to just make sure that like 723 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: this is um as safe as it can be, bringing 724 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: people together, as successful as it can be. Understanding implementations 725 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: of who's gonna be We're gonna be outside, so there 726 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,479 Speaker 1: might be you know, all the some of the fun 727 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: of having like a collective group of people all outside together, 728 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: which can be a lot of fun, like I'm I'm 729 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: waiting for karaoke and for um like our open mic 730 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: and people bringing out like instruments and like just having 731 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: like you know, we were people discussing like um, you 732 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: know some soccer uh potentially being a thing, um determining 733 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: like placing that song. Who's going to be more into 734 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: soccer based on various ideological reviews and past experience and yeah, 735 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: hit us up if you want to play some music, 736 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: if you've got an idea for something fun that sounds 737 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: cool to do. And just to come to circle back 738 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: to this, I think like with the point about conflict mediation. 739 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: I just want to make that, like super clear. Just 740 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: because we're not going to spend half a day trying 741 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: to come up with community with the points of unity 742 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: does not mean we don't have expectations about how you 743 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: act in the space. So our plan is basically to say, like, 744 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: don't be an asshole, and then that means, you know, 745 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: like in all the ways that we know, uh that 746 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: those things can happen. And then if somebody accidentally is 747 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: being an asshole, where somebody's are accidentally being an asshole 748 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: like that, those are things we can we can manage 749 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: because we all know what it is that we're doing here. Um. 750 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: So it's definitely not a free for all, you know, 751 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: it's a this is a space where the normal things 752 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: we would expect in space are expected, you know, explicitly. Yeah, 753 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: well man, I'm excited. Yeah, I'm looking forward to people. 754 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't actually know how widespread bonfires 755 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: are in the US, but we do a lot in 756 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: the Midwest, and bonfires are a great time. I'm excited 757 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: people to experience that. It's it's good. Um. Yes, So 758 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: I guess, um, do you if anything closing that you 759 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,919 Speaker 1: want to say, and also where can people find this 760 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 1: and attempt to go to it? Also when is it happening, 761 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,760 Speaker 1: because that's that's another important It's going to be July 762 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: uh twenty nine UM. And attendance is free, there's no 763 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: there's no charge, but we are soliciting donations. So we're 764 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: doing a fundraiser UM through Open Collective UM and we've 765 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: spend very generously given UH an offer of matching donations 766 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: from one of the organizers who got like I got 767 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,879 Speaker 1: a little bit of a chunk of change to kind 768 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: of contribute to that sort of thing. We're very I'm 769 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: excited about that. So if you go on too, you 770 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 1: can follow us on Twitter and I believe that's at 771 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: Dual Power uh to let me tell the chat. I 772 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: think it's at Dual Power gathering is our Twitter and um. 773 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: The website is Dual Dual Power dot org. Yes, yeh um. Yeah. 774 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: If you go on the website, you'll find the links 775 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: to everything you need to know. You can get in 776 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: touch with us, you can like, you know, give us 777 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: your your feedback if you love it, if you hate it, 778 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: if you've you know, whatever, we're we're probably not going 779 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: to change the whole thing right now, but show up 780 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: and we can change it at the time. I'll also 781 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: say we do have like an organizing discord and people 782 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: who are like serious about like getting involved in want 783 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: to have things like I want to come to this 784 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: and with things that they have specific visions for now. 785 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: It's like absolutely time to get engaged with that because 786 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: we're like we're working towards making getting people into the 787 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: like who are the participants to really own the event itself, 788 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: So that'll be like that's something we have. I believe 789 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 1: we're going to need probably two more community calls wanted 790 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: June and one in July. Every one of those calls 791 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,720 Speaker 1: has been really amazing, lots of great people. UM, and 792 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 1: during those calls are gonna be doing some training on 793 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: because you've got to do some prep work when you're 794 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: doing this kind of like generative discussion like popular education, 795 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: like unconferdenced style UM events, like coming to them with 796 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of un understanding of what that looks 797 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: like is really key to U being successful. So UM, 798 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: we encourage people who want to come get signed up, 799 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 1: and then we'll get into our mailing list, and our 800 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: mailing lists is where we disseminate like when those calls 801 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: are happening, and you can also hoping our discord u 802 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: as long as you're cool and agree your community very 803 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: men like bring you in and like get all sorts 804 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,360 Speaker 1: of shipped together. And we're very excited for people. I 805 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: mean there's still a fair number of thoughts open for 806 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: the events itself, were like almost half way full. So yeah, 807 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean definitely, we've we've been trying to think about 808 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: this as an event that we would want to go to, 809 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: and we wanted to be an event that you want 810 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: to come to also, so help us make it. So yeah, yeah, 811 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: that's that's yeah, this is really exciting. I'd be going 812 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah. So yeah, thank thank thank you, thank 813 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: you to you you both for joining us for talking about this. 814 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: And I'm excited too. I'm excited to see lots of 815 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: people there. Hey, I mean we've all been wanting to 816 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: see each other. Are two and a half years, right, 817 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,399 Speaker 1: so I miss your missing your face with dimension. Yeah, 818 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: I'm sick of your flat face real. Yeah, thanks so 819 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: much for having us on to talk about it. Really 820 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. I mean we're getting closer and closer. 821 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: It's just like it just gets more exciting and also 822 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,879 Speaker 1: a little nerve wracking. But thankfully a lot of people 823 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 1: have been stepping up on a very I'm confident it's 824 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: gonna be really like a really great thing. Yeah, and 825 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: we will we we will have links to everything in 826 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: the show notes. 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