1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Say, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: You might have seen this guest on your screens dancing 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: a while ago. Chloe Lukasiak, Welcome to Casual Chaos. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Hi, thanks for having me. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on. So you live in New York City? Now, 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: how do you like it? 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: I like it a lot. It's it was a dream 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: I had when I was younger, Like I just envisioned 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: myself living in the city, like with a view, waking 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: up to a nice view every day. And I fulfill 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: that dream. So I feel satisfied. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: Oh I love that you are originally from Pittsburgh. Correct. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I feels. 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: It's kind of a city there, is it not or 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 3: not real? 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: No, it is a small city though, Like and I 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: lived like forty five minutes away from the city, but 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: for dance, we would always come to New York, like 19 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: in the summers, I guess sometimes in the winter, but 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: like for like dance conventions or nationals or something, so 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: I was always coming here. It's only like a six 22 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: hour drive to home, so I always was like, that's 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: where I want to end up. And like all like 24 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: the movies I watched and the books I read were 25 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: all like took place in New York. So it was 26 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: like the place in my head where like if I 27 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: made it here, like if I if I moved here, 28 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: that was all I wanted and I and I did 29 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: it after living in LA for four years. 30 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you went to Pepperdine. That is amazing. Yeah, 31 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: it's like so sick to go to school in Malville. 32 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: That is that's a dream, that's the dream. 33 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really nice. It was pretty. 34 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: I was in New Brunswick, you're familiar. Went to Jersey. 35 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: It's very glaver, not the same vibe, but it's like, yeah, it's. 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: Like polar opposites, like the polar opposite vibe, like you 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: have no idea like the most like I'm not going 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: to say the most unsafe neighborhood, but like shootings were 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: happening weekly at my school. 40 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah no it wasn't. It wasn't the best. 41 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you're okay. Oh that you made it 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: a live. 43 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: Thank you. 44 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: How is New York compared to Pittsburgh? I know the 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: temperature is probably the same. I mean, even though it's 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: frigid right. 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: Now in New York. 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's the same. 49 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: So you were on one of the most iconic reality 50 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: TV shows, Dance Moms. I know you were very young 51 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: when the show started, and we kind of have a 52 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: similar upbringing in a way, we both essentially. 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: Grew up on reality TV. 54 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, was your earliest memory of filming or did you 55 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: just think that you were in dance class being recorded? 56 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, that's what I thought. I Like, I had 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: a when I was seventeen where I realized that, like 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: what we did was recorded, Like I knew people knew 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: us around the country and around the world and stuff. 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: But like when I I don't know what like triggered it, 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: but at seventeen, I was like, oh, oh, that was 62 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: like a show like it's which is kind of the 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: point where we bring up to a lot of the 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: people who came onto the show later on, is like 65 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: they had to plan and like when they say that 66 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: it wasn't as bad as we say it is, or 67 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: like they had a really like they weren't treated poorly 68 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: or whatever. It's because like when you're watching it and 69 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: you come in and you're like aware of what you've 70 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 2: watched before and now you're experiencing it. That's like one thing, 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: but when you are just living your life and then 72 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: suddenly there's a camera they're filming, Like I just thought 73 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: that suddenly, I don't know that there were extra people 74 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: hanging out with us, like the crew and stuff. But 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: like nothing really changed. We still went to school, we 76 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: still went to competitions, we still went to dance. Like 77 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: our group was the same. So I like didn't really 78 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: accept it until later on that we were like on 79 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: a show. I wonder if, like, was it the same 80 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: for you where you were like, I'm just living my. 81 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: Life one hundred percent, especially in my younger years because 82 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: I was seven or eight when my mom started filming. 83 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: Real houses in New Jersey. How old were you? 84 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: I was nine year yeah, but still you're so young, yeah, 85 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and you are doing what you love, going about your 86 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: normal day. 87 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: To day life, especially with dance. 88 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean I grew up in you know, competitive sports. 89 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: I did gymnastics and dance, so like, I get it. 90 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: It was long hours, so that was like your daily routine. 91 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: You go to school, you come home, you eat a 92 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: little a quick little snack, you get ready for dance, 93 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: and you're there for like six hours. 94 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: Obviously most of the time my mom would pick me 95 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: up and I'd go straight from school to dance. I'd 96 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: eat in the back and I'd change in the back 97 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: of the car. And I was like, like, when we lived, breathed, eat, dance, 98 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: that was our lives. 99 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: That's crazy. Wow. 100 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it seems like you can really it seems 101 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: like you know that feeling. 102 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: I did competitive gymnastics and dance from like. 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: My mom put me into like gymnastics and dance when 104 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: I was two years old. 105 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the competitive level started probably when I 106 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: was around you know, eight, I would say, I started 107 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: competing and I did that throughout middle school. And then 108 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: when I got to high school, all my friends joined 109 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: the cheer team and. 110 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well this. 111 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: Is interesting because cheers a combination of dance and gymnastics, 112 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: which are two things that I love. And then I 113 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of fell in love with cheerleading. I competed all 114 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: four years for my high school cheer team, and then 115 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: I did two years. 116 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: At an all star gym. But it was fun. 117 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: It was just not as intense, I would say, And 118 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what I wanted going into 119 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: high school. I kind of wanted to lay off a 120 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: little bit of the competitiveness because it does get overwhelming. 121 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: And it's funny because my youngest sister kind of followed that. 122 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: She was a competitive dancer. I don't know if you 123 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: ever heard of Prestige Dance Academy. Yeah, that's where she went, 124 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: and she did it up until freshman year of high school. 125 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: So same thing, the longest hours there all day. 126 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 3: It takes up your whole life. 127 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: And when she got to high school, she was like, 128 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: all right, I think I'm ready to like hang out 129 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: with my friends now. 130 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are on Brooks Path. She also was 131 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: in the cheer the Cheer World. I was laser focused, 132 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: but Brooke was like, I just want to go do cheer. 133 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: I was like, go to your thing, girls. 134 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun. You know, it's like you just 135 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: what your friends are doing it. 136 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: You're like, okay, yeah, you know, you get you get 137 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: swayed to doing other things. But I mean, oh yeah, 138 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: that's like amazing that you know, you love to dance 139 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: so much and that was like what you knew you 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: wanted to stick to and that was your passion. I've 141 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: recently just started watching Real Hosts in New Jersey, which 142 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: was the show that my mom was on. And that 143 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: I grew up on from the beginning, And it's so 144 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: weird and like nostalgic to see those moments play back 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: because I do kind of remember, like I do remember them, 146 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: but then to see the footage of what actually happened 147 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: or how you know, just really see it in a different. 148 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: Time. Yeah, it was so long ago, it was really crazy. 149 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: And just to see you as a younger person with 150 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: like it's like the wildest thing. And just to see 151 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: the way I acted and just all of it, it's 152 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: like mind blowing. Have you ever sat down and watched 153 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: Dance Moms? 154 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: Only a few times? Actually for YouTube videos, Like I mean, 155 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: I used to post really consistently and like was really 156 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: dedicated to YouTube, and so every once in a while 157 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: I would do, like watch this episode back with me, 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: And so that was the only time I would ever 159 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: sit actually watch it. But when it was airing, our 160 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: parents didn't want us to watch it then afterwards, like 161 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: I certainly wasn't going to turn it on everywhere, Like, 162 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: but I feel like I know the show so well 163 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: because so many moments like happen on social media, like 164 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: like playbacks or whatever, like clips of the. 165 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: Show our and stuff. 166 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: Yes, they're always coming up. So I'm like, I know 167 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: the show, and I know I feel like I've watched episodes, 168 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: but I actually haven't ever sat down and like watched 169 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: the show. But it's kind of like, isn't it like 170 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: a home video? You're like, oh, this is like my own. 171 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: Like I love that you say that, because that's how 172 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I feel. I sit there and I'm watching my family 173 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: and it's just so cute because we were we were little. Yeah, 174 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: my sisters and I were so little running around and 175 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: my sister Milania is just saying the most insane things 176 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: that I'm like, how did that even come out of 177 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: your mouth at the age of like three, Like, yeah, 178 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: it really is cute to even just see like my 179 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: mom and dad and my grandparents who are like some 180 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: of them who are no longer here, Like. 181 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: It's very it's it really is like a beautiful home video. 182 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: Mine is the ugly parts, but when it's just like 183 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: tuning in on your family, like it's really nice. 184 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree, And I mean you have home. 185 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Videos of like all of your amazing iconic dances, Like 186 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: those moments are probably the ones that you cherish the most. Obviously, 187 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: been such a long time since you guys have filmed 188 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: the show Dance Moms. Out of the girls, who do 189 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: you still keep in touch with and who are you 190 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: still close with? 191 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: Well, Nina just came out with a book. She released 192 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: her book Bottom of the Pyramid, and. 193 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 3: She's going to ask you about that, Yeah. 194 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: She I've known about it for a while because I 195 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: randomly somehow get that she was doing and we had 196 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: we had dinner and we were just chatting and like, 197 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: I like before she was even ready to like talk 198 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: about it, I was like, I feel like you're doing 199 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: a book or and she was, so then we I've 200 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: known about it for a while. But then this summer 201 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: she was in New York and she came over to 202 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: my apartment for a little bit. She was like, I 203 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: was going to ask you to write the forwards. So 204 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: I did that and it was really special. 205 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: So I would say, like, it's most sweet, Yeah, really sweet. 206 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really sweet because you know, we've It's 207 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: like I was just explaining this to someone. It's like 208 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: such a complicated family relationship where like those people like 209 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: are like family, but like where you don't have to 210 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: talk to them all the time, and like you have 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: had you know, like we've had a rocky past, not 212 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: like rocky, but you know, we were going through a 213 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: lot together and now we like could go five years 214 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: about talking and then if I saw any of them, 215 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: it would be like nothing had changed. Like they're the 216 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: only people I'd feel comfortable with without really like seeing 217 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: or keeping in touch with them. But I would say, 218 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: Mee and I like keep in touch with the most 219 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: only because like we both moved to LA at the 220 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: same time, so we were like seeing each other a 221 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: lot because we were both in college and then and 222 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: then I did move here, so we don't see each 223 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: other as much, but you know, it's like it, Yeah, 224 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: like I said, they're the only people I could not 225 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: see or talk to forever, and then if I see them, 226 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: it's so relaxing, like so relaxed, I don't feel stressed. 227 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: Where you left off. 228 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then obviously you're close with Brooke and Page. 229 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 230 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 3: Do you guys keep in touch with Maddie at all? 231 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: I don't talk frequently to her work and Zie, our 232 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: paths just don't cross. 233 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: What about Jojo, because I did that show Special Forces. 234 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you oh at the same time 235 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: as her. I know I did it this past season, so. 236 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I think this, yeah, this, No, No, she did it 237 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: first season, I want to say, I think she did 238 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: it season one or season two. 239 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: I was on season four. Oh okay, but I ran 240 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: into her in LA. 241 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: When I was doing press and it was so funny 242 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: because that show is like trauma bonding when you have 243 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: your cast, but to also see somebody who was also 244 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: on it and to talk about it, it was It's 245 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: a crazy show, but. 246 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, is it a crazy experience? 247 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: Crazy experience, but it was also the best experience of 248 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: my life. 249 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: Really, like because it pushed you out of your comfort 250 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: zone and like taught you stuff that. 251 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: Oh to the fullest, Like, yeah, I would have never 252 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: done probably half of those things if it wasn't for 253 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: that show. 254 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: I mean, why would you. Aren't you like jumping out 255 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: of helicopters and like training the military, Like I don't 256 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: think I would. 257 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: Ever wake up we going through military selection, like crawling 258 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: through tunnels all muddy, like crawling through rivers with like 259 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: who knows what bugs were in that water and frogs 260 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: and just anything you could think of, like climbing these 261 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: mountains that were like Mount Everest and my legs felt 262 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: like they were going to fall off, like, yeah, you 263 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: were putting yourself there, but for some odd reason you 264 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: enjoy it. 265 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: It's a very weird. It's a very weird thing to 266 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: expecause like. 267 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: You think you can't do it, and then you do it, 268 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: so it's. 269 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,119 Speaker 3: Like it's rewarding. It's rewarding exactly. 270 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I ran the New York City Marathon this past year, 271 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: so I understand that feeling like you think, you like, 272 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: you get to mile twenty and you're like, there's no 273 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: possible way I can run another six miles, and then 274 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: somehow you do because you have to. So you're like 275 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: you feel kind. 276 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: Of oh yeah, recovery on that. 277 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: It actually wasn't bad, which is so fucking to me. 278 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: It was like two three days where I was really sore, 279 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: but I ran it with someone because I ran it 280 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: with Mabelene and one of the other women who ran 281 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: it with Mabel was at like a basketball game that 282 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: night because she'd run like seven marathons and like that 283 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: night she was literally at the basketball game like had 284 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: finished by like I don't know some in the same 285 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: time within like three hours or something, and then went 286 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: to I don't even know what teams are here but 287 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: when and I was like, I am in bed and 288 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: I won't be with FA And I can't believe you 289 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: just showered and put on makeup and went out, Like 290 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: that's literally the last thing I want to do. 291 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I probably wouldn't move for a days. 292 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 293 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: But all the Power Tour, if she can do that, 294 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: all the. 295 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: Power Tour, yeah, that is wild. And I totally agree. 296 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: It's like people are like, oh, I. 297 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: Can't run for that long, like I'm not a runner, 298 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: but then you end up doing it. 299 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just you do because you have to, Like, 300 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: after all of that training, there's no way you're not 301 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: going to cross the finish line. 302 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: So sorry, back to my question, but do you keep 303 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: in touch with Jojo? 304 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: Oh No, we didn't really. I didn't really know her 305 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: there seasons was she on for She came on right 306 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: when I left, so she essentially replaced me, and so 307 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: we never crossed paths. And then when we did the 308 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: reunion show last year two years ago, that was the 309 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: first time I had ever met her and talked to 310 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: her in person, aside from like briefly in passing I 311 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: think two other times. The reunion was the first time 312 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: I actually was like, Okay, I'm like meeting this person 313 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: and talking to her and getting to know her. 314 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: So my sister Audreana knows all about dance Bombs, like 315 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: she watched it from start to finish, so if she 316 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: was here, she could definitely help me out on all 317 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: the day. 318 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. She's your youngest sister, right, yeah, your first born. 319 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: We discussed yes, yes. 320 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: Yes, well how was that reunion? Wow? 321 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah it wasn't. It wasn't as bad as I thought, 322 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: but that's because we all were like, we're not going 323 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: to do it if our old teacher's involved, Like, that's 324 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: just not going to happen. So I think going into 325 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: it with the knowing that those were the terms we 326 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: were all were like, okay, yeah, I won't be too horrible. 327 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So you all do not have a relationship 328 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: with Abemiler. 329 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: They might, I don't. I know a lot of people 330 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: reached out to her whenever she was diagnosed with cancer, 331 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: but we just weren't on any sort of terms like that. 332 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: I don't think she'd want to hear from me, And 333 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: now we don't talk. We never talked about that. It 334 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: just we both have gone our separate ways and I 335 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: think are better off that way. 336 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 337 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: Wow, But the other girls they might keep in touch 338 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: with her. I think colony does. 339 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was just too toxic, like 340 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,239 Speaker 1: better to like just part ways. 341 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we then you have to do it's best for 342 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: your mental. 343 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: Sanity, my friends, As we mentioned, Nia is coming out 344 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: with her book, was there anything that you were surprised 345 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: that she shared? 346 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: No, we kind of knew it would be like the 347 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: first tell a essentially of like that period of our lives, 348 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: because none of us have really ever come out and 349 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: said what that time was like really like, so. 350 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: You were all kind of okay with her speaking for 351 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: you guys in a why. 352 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of the other girls didn't 353 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: know what was happening until like closer to the book 354 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: being released, and when I found out, Like I it's 355 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: not my place to like try to censor her, say 356 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: like you can't speak for us, you know, Like she 357 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: spoke about her experience and as she as is her right. 358 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: So I was just really supportive of her, and I 359 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: wanted to feel I wanted her to feel like she 360 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: had backing in support. 361 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 3: She really didn't tell. 362 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: Your story, Like obviously she didn't tell your story. 363 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 3: She told it she told her story. 364 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but involved you guys in a way to kind 365 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: of complete maybe the story that she was telling. 366 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I mean obviously. 367 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: All that it was her point of view. 368 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: But then it was like, oh, but Chloe was standing 369 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: next to me during this dance, like right for. 370 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: Example, exactly, so she wasn't she was telling her story, 371 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: and I was just she you know, she she's really 372 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: the only one who one of the only ones who 373 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: hadn't spoken up or really talked about what it was 374 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: like for her. So I was just happy she was 375 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: finally doing that. But yeah, and then I and then 376 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: I got to read it before it came out because 377 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: I was writing the forwards. So she sent it to me. 378 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: She was like, we were texting about it. It was 379 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: really cute. But yeah, I was just I was really 380 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: happy for her to finally like get that kind of 381 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: relief and and know that, like people know how she 382 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: feels now on her side of the story. 383 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: So just clarity probably you know. 384 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so when you read everything, you weren't surprised 385 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: or hurt by anything, like it was pretty. 386 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: I no, No, I wasn't. I mean, even though I 387 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: have a really bad memory from that time, I wasn't 388 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: like surprised by anything, because I remembered a lot of 389 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: the really bad things that have happened. I think obviously, 390 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: when you're reading something like that where you're involved, I 391 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: think everyone kind of goes into like protective mode where 392 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: you're like thinking about how people might perceive that about you. 393 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: So I think that was like like your actions or something. 394 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: But I just tried to remember that, like if you're 395 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: reading the book, you must know that. Like everyone, like 396 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to explain this, we were all in 397 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 2: like fight or flight mode, you know, so we were 398 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: all looking out for ourselves. 399 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like reading that book, it was 400 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: probably triggering for you. 401 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely cried. I like read it in one 402 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: sitting because like as soon as I started, I was 403 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: like just totally brought back to that time. So of 404 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: course there are moments where I'm like, oh, I could 405 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: have been a better friend at that time, But I 406 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: was also ten or eleven. I was also like fighting 407 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: for my life. I was like really trying hard to 408 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 2: just make it through the day, let alone. Like you know, 409 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm really trying to say here, 410 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: but I you know, looking back I reading the book, 411 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: I felt regret that I wasn't like there for her 412 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: all the time and the ways that I should have been, 413 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: But I also was just trying to get through the day. 414 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: I was trying to. 415 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: Mean, you can't even blame yourself. You were so young. 416 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and looking back on it now, of course you 417 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: feel bad, But in that moment, you all were experiencing 418 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: the same sort of true treatment to an extent, I'm 419 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: sure something more treated worse than others. And obviously everyone 420 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: has their own point of view, but yeah, we're so 421 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: young that you didn't really know any better. It was 422 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: so it was so hard, like you didn't know any better, 423 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: and now you can sit here and be Okay, I 424 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: wish I was a better friend, or there was like 425 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: that ten like you there's you were. 426 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: Harmless, Like yeah, you guys didn't know, right. 427 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: Like there's that quote. I forget how it goes, but basically, 428 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: like how can you judge your previous actions when you 429 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: didn't have like the knowledge that you have now or 430 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: the wisdom that you have now. So it's true, like 431 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: I I can sit here and you know, beat myself 432 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: up for not being more supportive or you know, X 433 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: y Z, but I didn't have the information I was. 434 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: I was also in survival mode because I was also 435 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: going through my own things, because I was also being 436 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: treated poorly. So I was just focused on getting through 437 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: the day. And like my experience, I wasn't really I 438 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: don't really have the capacity for the sounds so bad, 439 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 2: but I don't think I had the capacity at that 440 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: age for a lot of empathy towards other people when 441 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: I was fighting so hard for myself. 442 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 443 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: No, And it makes sense because again, you were so young. 444 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and unfortunately, when you are that young sometimes you 445 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: are a little more selfish than when you get older. 446 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 447 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: And it's not intentional, but it's just, you know, when 448 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: you're that age, it's you want yourself and your mom 449 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: to worry about you, and you know, like, and I'm 450 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: just trying to relate to when I. 451 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: Was that age. I think I think we were all 452 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: a little selfish when we were younger, especially. 453 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: We're girls, so it's like all about we want it 454 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: all about us. 455 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: Right, and then in like a competitive environment like that, Yeah, 456 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 2: of course you want you're just thinking about yourself. 457 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: You have also written a book of your own Yeah, incredible. 458 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Would you ever write want to 459 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: write another one? 460 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, absolutely. I went to school for creative writings, 461 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 2: so my goal is to eventually publish fiction novels. But obviously, 462 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: like with everything that's happened lately, I think I have 463 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: been considering more and more writing not just about dance moments, 464 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: but about my entire childhood leading up to now. So, 465 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: but my first book, Girl on Point, was it was 466 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: I think it was geared towards a much younger audience. 467 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: It was I don't want to say lighthearted, but like 468 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: it definitely wasn't getting into the nitty and gritty of 469 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: things and the like real experiences and the real thoughts 470 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: I was having. I was just kind of like telling 471 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: the story that people I think already knew. So, but 472 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed writing it. I enjoyed writing or I 473 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: enjoyed that process. I had a ghostwriter, so it was 474 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: really nice to work with her for the first for 475 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: my first novel. But now with college under my belt 476 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 2: and all those writing classes and the first book, I 477 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: think I'm definitely interested in not only fiction novels, but 478 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: eventually going back to that time and recounting it in 479 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: my own way. 480 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: That would be amazing. 481 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would you ever do that? Would you ever 482 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: write a book about your childhood? 483 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: You know, I think I will probably love to publish 484 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: a book at some point in my life. I think, 485 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: you know, growing up as children, we don't realize, you know, 486 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: the trauma aspect, and how what the foundation of how 487 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: you grow up and the events that happened to when 488 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: you're younger really affect you when you're older. Yeah, it's 489 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: all about that foundation, even if it's even if it 490 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: wasn't your parents' intentions or you know, the events that 491 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: happened or occurred, they would never they never meant to 492 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: do this to you, or never meant for this to happen. 493 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: As a child, you're still. 494 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: Witnessing those things, You're still feeling those emotions. And I 495 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: think that is that was my biggest takeaway growing up 496 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: after you know, being on reality TV so young, my 497 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: family going through what they went through. I think it 498 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: really shaped me into who I am, which I'm blessed about, 499 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: but I kind of also want to I always think about, 500 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, how things also could have went in the 501 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: other direction. I could have not ended up on the 502 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: other side. I could have ended up in a bad place, 503 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: and I, you know, thank God, my sisters and I 504 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: are like. 505 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: All came out on top, which I'm so grateful for. 506 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes other kids aren't as fortunate to 507 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, have the strength to to survive some of 508 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: the things that they've been through. 509 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not easy growing up in reality, it's not easy. 510 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: But are you and your sisters close, Like do you 511 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: kind of like talk about that a lot, and like 512 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 2: did you heal together or is it something you guys 513 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: don't talk about. 514 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: We talk about it. 515 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: But I think also coming from like an old school 516 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: Italian family. 517 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: It's kind of like, especially. 518 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: When we were younger, now that we went through what 519 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: we went through. 520 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: Now we cry, Now we talk. 521 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: About things like now it's better, But when we were younger, 522 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: it was very much like no crying. No, it was like, 523 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: don't cry, Okay, you're fine. Like it was very like 524 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: that when we were younger, not really like it was 525 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: very weird to show emotion. Then after my family did 526 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: go through that, we now do show emotion and my 527 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: parents want to talk to us about things and want 528 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: to get deep with us and want to hear our feelings. 529 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: So it was definitely a different shift, but it was like, 530 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm also grateful for that because you go through experiences 531 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: to lead you to where you are today. So same 532 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: with my parents, Like our parents, this is their first 533 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: time parenting as well. Exactly, they're going through this. This 534 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: is their first time doing it too. They're living in 535 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: their learning. And my parents although maybe weren't asking me 536 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: so much about my feelings when I was younger, not 537 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: like not trying to be mean, but just you know, it. 538 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: Was feel like it wasn't common. 539 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, just different, and now it's like, oh, let's talk 540 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: about it, and yeah, that's nice. You know, it's all 541 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: a part of the healing process basically. 542 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I'm glad to. 543 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: Help you and your sister. Yeah she didn't did she 544 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: ever dance? Like, did you ever weave her away? 545 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, Yeah she had danced, but not on the show, 546 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: not like she like competitively danced. But it was I 547 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: feel like it was just different. I don't feel like 548 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 2: there was anything as intense as we experienced. 549 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: But she was. 550 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: One when the show first started. And yeah, so she 551 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: was a baby, like like in the first season, she's 552 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: like on my mom's hip like they are, like she 553 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: is a little child, So I always wondered like how 554 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: that experience was for her, because like so much of 555 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: our life, our lives were broadcast, but then her life 556 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: was a little bit more private. But and she kind 557 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: of gets dragged into the public, like the public miss 558 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: the publicity of it because she's part of our family. 559 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: So it's just weird. But we've always been really really close. 560 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: I mean obviously, when I was a teenager, I was 561 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: a horrible monster to everyone, So I wasn't super close 562 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: with my sister then. And now she's a teenager and 563 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: she has been a horrible monster to us. So now 564 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: we're all even and now like as she's slowly growing 565 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 2: out of it, we're just becoming closer and closer and 566 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: like we talk about everything good. 567 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, So. 568 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: Is she in the public like I know, like in 569 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: the public eye kind of guilty by association. 570 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 3: But is she does she part? 571 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: Like is she active in the in the public eye? 572 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: Like is she active on social media? So she's private? 573 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's She deletes Instagram every other week, like she 574 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: doesn't have it on her phone. She like doesn't poe. 575 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: She hates like sometimes people will go up to her 576 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: thinking it's because like because I think they think I'm 577 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: still young or something, and I was blonde when I 578 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: was on the show. 579 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that's the biggest thing. People like people 580 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: go up to like my like my sisters too. But 581 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: then they also I'm sure they look at you just 582 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: like they look at me, and they're. 583 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, I feel like I've watched you 584 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: grow up. 585 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah you were like you've grown so much and it's 586 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: it's crazy. 587 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. So she, like you said, guilty 588 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: by association, but she does everything she can't be to 589 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: be private. Like she's at like an amazing college prep school. 590 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: She wants to be an asked for a physicist, Like 591 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: her path is very different from mine, Like I don't 592 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: even know about that entails. 593 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: So wow, incredible. So she's like a little genius. 594 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: Yes, a little genius doing her own thing. She's she's 595 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: got it all figured out. 596 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 597 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: Obviously, our moms were in our lives while you were 598 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: on Dance Moms and while I participated in the Real 599 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: Housewives in New Jersey. She was a very big part 600 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: of your life when you were on Dance Moms. How 601 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: is your mom and how is your relationship with. 602 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: Her, she's good. Yeah, we I mean, like any relationship. 603 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: I feel like we've had her ups and downs. But 604 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: we just went to London together last week for like 605 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: a little girls trip. It was so fun. 606 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: Sometimes I need that it's healing. 607 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Are you and your mom close? 608 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, We're very close, like calls me for everything. I'm 609 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: like her right hand man like everything. 610 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: So you're like you are the glue if you're like 611 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: the older sister and you feel like you like raised 612 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: basically your youngest sister, and yeah, you know you're you're 613 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: the glue. You need a vacation. I feel like you need. 614 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: I just got back from visiting my dad in the Bahamas. 615 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: I did relax, so it was nice to just get 616 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: in the. 617 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: Sun a little bit. But yeah, I want like a vacation, 618 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 3: like maybe without my family. I'm always with my family. 619 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I need to not be with anyone who 620 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm related to. I need to just be with the strangers. 621 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: Oh literally, do you think your mom is different off 622 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: camera than she was on camera? I know everyone can 623 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: be perceived differently, especially with editing and stuff, but right 624 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: or do you think she knows like protective mom mode? 625 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's so hard to say from like 626 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: what I remember versus what was actually shown, versus like 627 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: how she actually was versus how she reacted in situations 628 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: they put her in, you know. So it's really hard 629 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: to say because like maybe at that time that's how 630 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: she was. I don't know, I don't. I have like 631 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 2: a really bad memory of that. I don't know if 632 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: you're the same way. I don't know if it's being 633 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: on reality or if five Like I. 634 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: Had such a bad memory. 635 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: That's why now watching realjas as New Jersey back from 636 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: the beginning and seeing some of the things, I'm like, Mom, 637 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: it's crazy. 638 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: I literally don't remember anything like like the especially my 639 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: time on Dance Moms is like the only thing. The 640 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: only things I remember are things that are like filmed, 641 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: so like any like actual real memories from my perspective 642 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: are gone, Like I don't know what happened to them. 643 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: I've blocked them out. So but so I don't really 644 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: remember how she was. I mean, I know she was protective. 645 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: She was like the like the main protective one on 646 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,479 Speaker 2: the show, so and that's genuinely how she was. Like, 647 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: you know, she would kind of argue with the producers 648 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: like about like making sure we were treated right or 649 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: something like that. 650 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, were there ever times on the show when 651 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: you got into heated arguments with anyone? 652 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: No, I wasn't old enough for that. Like I left 653 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: when I was thirteen, So I know some of the 654 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: girls who stayed on longer started to have like more 655 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: of a voice and felt comfortable speaking up, which I 656 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: kind of wish i'd stayed so I felt comfortable speaking 657 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: up because I feel like they got to a point 658 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: where they were like, no, this is wrong and I'm 659 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: going to speak about it. But she our teacher always 660 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: encouraged us to just like be quiet and like stand 661 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: there and dance. So when I was on there, we weren't. 662 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: We weren't talking. We were just a little dancing monkeys. 663 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: We didn't have but like behind the scenes, no, not really. 664 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: I mean, like it's so hard because like you. 665 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: Really others really were young, and for you to speak 666 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 1: up it would ultimately just be disrespectful. I'm sure I'm 667 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: sure you said thanks to your mom's in the car 668 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: like leaving dance, but like probably never to like your 669 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: teacher or Abby. 670 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like just not a situation you 671 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 2: would really do that. There's like producers and like you're 672 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: in a room with like a bunch of adults. But 673 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: then eventually, every once in a while we would speak up, 674 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: but like we usually wasn't shown. I don't know, it's 675 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 2: it's all a blur. But like behind the cameras, we 676 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 2: like sometimes the girls and I would like we would 677 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: all bicker every once in a while because we were 678 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: like a family. We were like sisters, you know. We 679 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: would argue like, oh, this is I'm sitting with this 680 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: person on the bus or I'm having to sleep over 681 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: with this person or whatever, whatever, whatever, But like at 682 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it was never anything so 683 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: serious that we couldn't come back from it. 684 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: So can we touch on your dating life a little bit. 685 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: I know you were previously dating Brooklyn and Er. Yeah, 686 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 1: that relationship before you guys broke up. You came out 687 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: as gay and helped so many women and men feel 688 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: comfortable to come out and do what you did, and 689 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: with your following you really did help a lot of 690 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: people and sent such a beautiful message out to the world. 691 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 3: So how has this experience been for you? 692 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I dated Brooklyn for three years and it was 693 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: while I was in college. It's a really formative time 694 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: in my life. Yeah, I think, I think coming to 695 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: terms with who you are so important. You have to 696 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: like really take time to think about who you are. 697 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: You have to take time to discover it, you know, 698 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 2: like to sit with it, to accept it, to tell 699 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 2: the people in your life get support. So yeah, it's no, 700 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: even though it's yeah, it was a really important relationship 701 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: in my life. And I'm in New York now I'm 702 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 2: that uh yeah, sorry, I'm getting shy. 703 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: No, no, no, you could tell that you've really charged 704 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: the relationship. 705 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: It's actually really really cute now that you're in New York. 706 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: How do you How is the dating scene here compared 707 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: to LA. 708 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: I don't actually know. I feel like I didn't date 709 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: a lot in LA. I feel like as soon as 710 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: I got there, like we started dating and then really 711 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: date anyone else, and then we broke up and I 712 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 2: moved out of the city. So I've only had a 713 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: little bit of experience dating in New York. I've been 714 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 2: with my boyfriend for nine months now, so I like 715 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 2: went on a few like hinge dates and stuff. 716 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: And my friends you so you you're into hinge? My 717 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: friends are experimenting right now with Hinge. I've been in 718 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: a relationship for six years with my boyfriend, and so 719 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: the dating apps are like foreign to me. But yeah, 720 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: it's so fun to watch my friends do it. 721 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god, wipe. 722 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, this is like a game. 723 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 2: It's that's what it's become. It's really sad. I kind 724 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 2: of hate it, like I I feel like it's taken 725 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: like the connection out of it, like the humanness out 726 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: of it, because now people are just like, Okay, I 727 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 2: have a date. I'm gonna go about this person online, 728 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 2: like what happened to Like I'm get to someone at 729 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 2: the grocery store. 730 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 4: Like yeah, it's right, or the bar like yeah, Like, well, guys, 731 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 4: let's bring back actually coming up to somebody and say hello, 732 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 4: I think it's pretty. 733 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't do that anymore. 734 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: Can I value a drink? 735 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a lost art. We have to bring 736 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: it back. 737 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 3: So how long have you been with your boyfriend for now? 738 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: You met in New York? 739 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, nine months. We've been dating. It was like right 740 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: around my birthday last year or like April we met. 741 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 2: But like I'd only gone on like a few hinge 742 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: dates and you know, if my current relationship doesn't work out, 743 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: I don't think I will be going back on the 744 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: apps because it really just is so boring, it's so 745 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: not fun. But then I say that, and then I'm 746 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 2: going to be like, and this is all like if 747 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 2: I'm ever single, glinn it single again? Like if I 748 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 2: am single, I. 749 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: Guess it's like if you're in your bed and you're board, 750 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: it's tempting. 751 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like if it's like a Thursday night 752 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't have any dates lined up, 753 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 2: Like should I just swipe? But then it's like no, 754 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 2: go co like bump into someone on purpose accidentally in 755 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 2: the bar and like be like, hey, you know, for 756 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: sure bring back the funk to it. 757 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: What's going on in Chloe's life? What can anybody expect 758 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: in the future? 759 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 2: Writing? I'm writing my first fiction novel. I've been drafting it. 760 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: It's based off of a short story I wrote for 761 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 2: like my final project in college. So that's been really 762 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: fun and like getting to expand that has been really 763 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 2: really special. It's super It's really intimidating writing a book 764 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 2: for the first time, like a full, full structured book. 765 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: But I'm really enjoying it. 766 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 3: This one you're doing on your own. 767 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no ghost writer, just me. And then, like 768 00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 2: I said, I ran the marathon in November and I 769 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 2: was looking to do another one, but then something kind 770 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 2: of came up recently and I am I don't know. 771 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: I've been kind of playing around with the idea of 772 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: going back to my roots. So yeah, I don't know. 773 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it may not be very exciting. I'll come see you. 774 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 3: You're right here in New York. 775 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 2: In New York, right where it all happens, so we'll see. 776 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like, I was going to 777 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 2: run the one, but now I'm kind of rethinking things 778 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 2: and just taking time to really think about what I 779 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 2: want to do next. 780 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 3: So maybe just rush your toes for now. And yeah, 781 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 3: in a minute. 782 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 2: Yeah they can relax because I nearly lost them during 783 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 2: the marathon. 784 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 3: Oh, Chloe, thank you so much. 785 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: This was such a pleasure having you on Casual Chaos, 786 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: and I hope whatever is brewing, I can come and 787 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: watch you in. 788 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 2: The future, of course. 789 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: And you've read your book on the shelves, so whether 790 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: it's a book eventually, whether it's a book signing or 791 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: a Broadway show, I'm just assuming I don't know, I 792 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: will see whicheverone I will come to 793 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 2: Perfect, and I'll be first in line for your book 794 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 2: signing to be like thank you,