1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: A husband, taughts police, hey find the body. Well they did. 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Now he is charged with murder, but can they prove it? 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: You know I was always suspicious and still am. When 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: anybody says you can't prove it or you'll never prove it, 5 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: that makes me want to prove it even more. We 6 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: were talking about a lovely young woman, Mary Stella Gomez Mullet. 7 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this now. Please are looking for 8 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: a woman reported missing in the Boyden Beach area. This 9 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: is her. It's forty five year old Mary Stella Gomez Mullet. 10 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: They have says she's been missing now for about a week. 11 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: She is described as being five foot four, one hundred 12 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: and forty pounds, no distinguishing scars or tattoos. Please say, 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: anyone with information should contact crime stoppers. How many times 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: have we heard that if you have information, called crime stoppers? 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Very rarely do we have a happy ending again, thank 16 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Flux Nation. In 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: series six seven one eleven. Let me introduce to you 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: and all star panel to try to make sense of 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: what we know right now. Melissa Hotmeyer, the chief of 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: the Special Victims in Family Violence Unit, and Prince Georgia's 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: County State Attorney's office. That's in Maryland. Co founder Right 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Response Consulting, No Gray Zone podcast. You can find her 23 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,279 Speaker 1: at Right Response Consulting dot com or on Twitter at 24 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: No Gray Zone RRC. We'renowned psychologists joining us from the 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: Manhattan jurisdiction. Karen Stark is with us, and she said 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Karen Stark with a C. Karen Stark dot com. Robert Crispin, 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: former coop now private investigator with his own firm, Crispin's 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: Special Investigations dot com. The meta well examiner for the 29 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: entire state of Georgia. You can find entire state of Florida. 30 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: You can find him at pathcremed dot com. Doctor Tim 31 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: and Gallagher Butt first to Climb online dot com. Investigative reporter, 32 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: also writer with lead Stories dot com. Alexis terrest check Alexis. 33 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard somebody say you'll never prove it, 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: or you can't prove it, or find the evidence or 35 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: in this case, find the body I have. This is 36 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: what criminals say when they are taunting people like the police, 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: like family members that are desperate to find their loved ones. 38 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Let's say you'll never find it. But in this case 39 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: they did you know you were earlier hearing our friends 40 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: at CBS twelve news talking about this woman. I'm looking 41 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: at her photo right now, Mary Stella, beautiful, perfect tea, 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: dark hair, She's wearing a giant crucifix and a puffy blouse. 43 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: She looks so happy. It looks like she's sitting in 44 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: the din of their home on a big, comfy sofa. 45 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: Out of the blue, Mary Stella seemingly disappears into thin air. 46 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: M take a listen to our friends at WPTV News 47 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: Channel five. Authorities say Gologne and Gomez Muled had a 48 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: deal to get married in January. Gomez Mulled would take 49 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: care of his mother and Hyalia. In exchange, they would 50 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: wed so she could gain US citizenship. On February eighteenth, 51 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Gomez Mulette's family say that she was driving up from 52 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Hialeah to boin In Beach to return a car. She 53 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: was never heard from again. Well, that opens up a 54 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of territory to doctor Tim Gallagher. But first, Robert Crispin, 55 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: private investigator at Crispins Special Investigations, you're joining me out 56 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: of Florida right now. That's a long stretch of row 57 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: from high Aliyah to Point and Beach Release. I think 58 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: it is is it is? It about an hour drive 59 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: depending on traffic. Could be a little bit longer for sure. 60 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: And when you're trying to find a person that had 61 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: been on that stretch road, what do you do? Boy, 62 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: that's a needle in a haystack. It really is a 63 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: needle in a haysta. But why do you say that 64 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: there's so many cars here? There's so much traffic. South 65 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: Florida is just a plethora of cars and traffic, and 66 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: it's depending on what time of the day it is. 67 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: I think you could go a mile in two hours. 68 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: You're kidding one mile and two hours. But what about 69 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: license grabbers on the side of the road. You got that? 70 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if Florida is famous for all of its 71 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: tools toll after all, there's cameras attached to every one 72 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: of them, certainly there will be suckling video and earth. 73 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: What we call them license late readers. And what they 74 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: do is they're grabbing your tag and they're everywhere. They're 75 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: on ninety five, they're on the turnpike, and they're on 76 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: a lot of these side roads. All law enforcement has 77 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: to do is input that tag number into that system. 78 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: And that system is going to give us a picture, 79 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna give us a location, a GPS coordinate. It 80 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: just automatically, does it. They just grab these guys every 81 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: time you drive by one of these cameras that automatically 82 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: grabs it. That would have been the first go to 83 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: tool for me if I was working this case. You know, 84 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. Melissa Hotmeyer, chief Special Victims Family 85 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: Violence Unit, joining us out of Maryland. You can catch 86 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: on our podcast No Gray Zone. I like the name 87 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: of that, Melissa, Thanks for being with us. You know, 88 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: when have you ever heard somebody say you don't have 89 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: any evidence. You can't prove I did it. You can't 90 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: prove anything where you don't even have a body. That 91 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: would infuriate me. On cases where there is no body, 92 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: I guess people wrongly think that you cannot prosecute a 93 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: case unless you have a corpus delectiles, you have a 94 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: dead body. But long story short, you can. But it's 95 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: let's be honest, it's a lot more difficult, Melissa, a 96 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: lot harder without a body. Yeah, I mean those are 97 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: those are the worst. I mean, they're prosecutable, but they're 98 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: the worst cases for prosecutors because juries want to see, 99 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, what happened. They want to see the evidence, 100 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: and the evidence is in that body. It's really hard 101 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: to prove both cause and manner of death without a body, 102 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: but you can certainly do it. Um. You know, you 103 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: just got to put together a really, really good case, 104 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: and you've got to work with good investigators and keep 105 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: it together. We've all done it. Yeah, it's hard, and 106 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: there's always the old defense trick. Melissa hot Meyer, I 107 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: don't know if this has ever happened to you where 108 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: In closing argument, the defense argues she may even still 109 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: be alive. We were up against this when I covered 110 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: the Mike Michael Peterson, no excuse me, Drew Peterson. Drew Peterson, 111 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: the former cop that had I guess four wives. One 112 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 1: of them, Kathleen Savio, was found drowned dead in a 113 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: dry bathtub, covered in bruises. Wow, I wonder what happened. 114 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: Then the last wife, Stacy Peterson, goes missing, and within 115 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, the former cob husband Drew Peterson, 116 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: starts giving away her bikinis, her lingerie, her fur coat. 117 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: He knows she's not coming in the door, but there 118 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: was never a body. That case has never been prosecuted. 119 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: Melissa Hotmeyer and Peterson taunted everyone with the fact that, hey, 120 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: she left to go be with her lover. There was 121 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: no lover. She's dead. He killed her. But there's the 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: defense trick, Melissa. At closing arguments, they would say, Hey, 123 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: she may be holed up in Atlantic City with her boyfriend. 124 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, hey, is that her coming 125 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: in the door of the courtroom right now? And if 126 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: a girard looks, they could argue, you see, you're not 127 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: even convinced she's dead. I hate when that happens, Melissa. Yeah, 128 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: that's a reasonable doubt, right, there isn't it. There's worst nightmare. Yeah, yeah, 129 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like all of these missing body 130 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: cases tend to be, you know, child abused and domestic 131 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: violence related, and so there's a pattern, and it's certainly 132 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: something that is very, very difficult and something that no 133 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: prosecutor wants to have to deal with. But you know, 134 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: we need to bring justice to the family. The family 135 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: deserves justice, The family deserves feels to bury their loved 136 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: one as well. But at least the prosecutor can work 137 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: on bringing desice crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 138 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance. I'm Mary still like Ms. Mullet. 139 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: It's a lovely young woman. His husband taunts police, find 140 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: the body, don't look at me, don't arras me. Find 141 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: the body. Well, they did take a listen to our 142 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: friends at CBS twelve News. Now, please are looking for 143 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: a woman reported missing in the Boyden Beach area. This 144 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: is her. It's forty five year old Mary Stella Gomez Mullad. 145 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: They have say she's been missing now for about a week. 146 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: She is described as being five foot four hundred and 147 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: forty pounds, no distinguishing scars or tattoos. Please say, anyone 148 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: with information should contact crime stoppers. Of course, you see 149 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: a problem right at the get go to Karen Start 150 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: joining us renowned psychologists out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. Karen Stark. 151 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: It was, let's just say, an arranged marriage. She wanted 152 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: permanent US citizenship. He needed somebody to take care of 153 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: his mother. He didn't want to take care of her himself, 154 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: so they married. That was the deal that was struck. 155 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: So we you are looking at the husband's demeanor. This 156 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: is a whole another can of worms. Because do I 157 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: have those facts right, Alexus terres Chuck joining us crime 158 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigate every border before I asked Karen 159 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: start to comment, that's the way it went down, right. 160 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: It was more of a marriage of convenience. It was 161 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: not a love match by any stretch. No, she started 162 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: out working taking care of his elderly mother, and then 163 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: he offered to her like, hey, I'll marry you. You 164 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: can get green card status. So she did it because 165 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: she really wanted to live here and wanted to be 166 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: here legally, and this seemed like a perfect opportunity for her. 167 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: But instead he totally manipulates her. So Karen Star, those 168 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: are correct. Alexis terres Chuck confirms those facts are correct. 169 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: So when you are looking at the husband's demeanor, you 170 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: gotta take that into account. This isn't like, Wow, they 171 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: met in college and fell in love, or they met 172 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: on a flight or whatever. They met at the coffee 173 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: shop and it was love at first. It's not like 174 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: that at all. Okay, this is not out of a romcom. 175 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: This was a deal. So when you're looking at how 176 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: he is acting, that's part of the you gotta factor 177 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: that in, the factor in the fact that he is 178 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: more like an employer instead of a husband, a romantic husband, 179 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: and he's in a position of superiority. He's in charge. 180 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: She gets a green card if she behaves, and he 181 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: marries her. All of it is arranged, and so this 182 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: kind of superiority puts in it. Think about the taunting Nancy. 183 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: He's arrogant, you know, kind of life. You're my slave 184 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: and I'm the master. And I think that that's how 185 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: the whole thing evolved. He also tends paranoid. So the 186 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: police of the enemy. There is something very specific about 187 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: a killer who's taunting the police. They're enjoying themselves. Take 188 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend, Willard Shepherd at in Baix. 189 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: The woman was reported missing on February twentieth. Mullet's friend 190 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: told police that Cologne's home was the place she was 191 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: heading when they last heard from her. Police said Cologne 192 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: did tell them Mullet had been there, but he left 193 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: to go to the doctor and she wasn't there when 194 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: he returned. M wasn't there when he returned. Now did 195 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: you catch this straight out? Do you? Robert Crispin PI 196 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: at Crispin's Special Investigations. She was last saying on Fab 197 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: eighteen when she was driving from High Aliyah to Boynton Beach, 198 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: but she was not reported missing until Fab twenty. Right, 199 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: I didn't I caught that. I was expecting a little more. Hey, 200 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: I'm a JD, not a DDS. I don't know how 201 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: to pull teeth, but I could try. I could try, Crispin, 202 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: if I could get to you. So what does it 203 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: tell you? I mean, listen, we got a two day 204 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: window in there that we don't have any information at 205 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: all right now, So what happened between the eighteenth and 206 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: the twentieth. He's telling them he went to the doctors. 207 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: I guarantee you they're at the doctor's office trying to 208 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: see if he was really there. I'm starting right there 209 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: in my little window. I'm starting right there. That crime 210 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: scene at that house is growing more and more important 211 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: to me because that's where she was last. That's very 212 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: important to me, that house. And then we've also got 213 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: that stretch from High Alia to Poynton Beach. So do you, 214 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher? You've got an objective witness, friends stating 215 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: her family stating she was driving Highlia to Poyton Beach. 216 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: So I guess the first thing you do is start 217 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: coming that area. Now we hear she was headed to 218 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: his house, so that becomes a point of interest for police. 219 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: But I guess the first thing I would do was 220 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 1: get a hold of since it's been two days so 221 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: she was last seen and he reports her missing, I 222 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: would get the cadaver dogs. Do cadaver dogs only hit 223 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: on human tissue or can they hit on some other 224 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of animal tissue? Well, you know, I'm glad that 225 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned cadaver dogs. We have a very good service 226 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: run by Russ Lander out of South Florida, and his 227 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: dogs are trained for about two years and you can 228 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: train them on discovering whatever you need to. He trains 229 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: them to discover human flesh, human decompositional flesh. And if 230 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: I could give a big shout out to Hercules, who 231 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: was a wonderful golden retriever, very well trained by Russ 232 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: Westlander has helped us in countless countless cases including finding 233 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: including finding underwater. Oh wow, I'm fascinated with that. Finding 234 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: a body underwater. A cadaver dog absolutely can do that. 235 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: You said that a cadaver dog hits on decomposing human tissue, 236 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: So explain to me why a dog let's just say 237 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: top mom Casey Anthony who said a pizza went bad 238 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: in her trunk and that was what the cadaver dog 239 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: was hitting on. Don't laugh. Jerry apparently believed it. No comment. 240 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: What's done is done. Can't fix it now. But how 241 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: do I know a dog is not going to hit 242 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: Let's just pretend a decomposing Pepperoni pizza versus a decomposing 243 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: human body. Well, you have to go with their record. 244 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: You know, if the cadaver dog hits on something, then 245 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: you explore that area and find a body time after 246 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: time after time. That dog is going to be very 247 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: well respected in his field. But if a dog hits 248 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: on various different things and you can't find the body, 249 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: then that dog will never ever be a well trained 250 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: cadaver dog. So you really have to go by their experience. 251 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: And it does take about two or sometimes even three 252 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: years to train a dog from the time they're six 253 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: months old to about two and a half years old. 254 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: To hit on human a decompositional tissue, well, it's a 255 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: hot Mayer Chief the Special Victims of Family Violence Unit 256 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: in Maryland, Melissa I have been fortunate enough to try 257 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: multiple cases that included dog witnesses, and I have said 258 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: ever since my very first dog witness case, the best 259 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: witness I ever put on the stand was a dog, 260 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: and that still stands true regardless of how many cases 261 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: I've tried or covered. They never fold on cross examination, 262 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: they never get tripped up on their words, and they 263 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: perform beautifully in court in front of a jury. That 264 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: is if you practice with them first before the jury 265 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: comes in. But Melissa Ham, I want to follow up 266 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: on something Gallagher, doctor Tim gallaghri to Florida, just told 267 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: us you have to prove their record and it's light 268 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: lying a foundation for any other piece of evidence in court. 269 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: If you'd want to do a handwriting sample, you got 270 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: to show the known writing was to say, all the 271 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: checks Jackie writes here in the studio compared to the 272 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: questionable writing. And you have to make a comparison, and 273 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: you have to establish your expert how many times have 274 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: you done a handwriting comparisons? How many times have you testified, 275 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: how many articles have red you written, how many how 276 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: many books have you written? You have to establish that 277 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: testimony before the judge will say yes, they're an expert 278 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: in their field, therefore yes they can testify and you 279 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: have to do that typically in front of the jury. 280 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: So same thing with a dog, a cadaver dogs. What 281 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: I'm getting back to here, Melissa, Yeah, absolutely, you know 282 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: you're going to have to get you know, like you 283 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: said earlier, meet with your witness and make sure that 284 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: you know what the history is. Know how many times 285 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: the dogs has testified, been qualified as an expert before 286 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: the training that went down for that dog, how long 287 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: the dog was trained, all of those things are going 288 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: to want to put in front of the judge that 289 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: they can make that finding that it's it's an expert 290 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: that can be that can be relied upon. Because you know, 291 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: jurors they want expert testimony and they want to know 292 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: that the person that they're going to rely on has 293 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: those qualifications. So it's important to get that in front 294 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: of the judge so they can make that finding, but 295 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: also so that the jury bison and believes what your 296 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: expert testifies to. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, what happened 297 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: to this young woman in an arranged marriage believe it 298 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: or not, right here in the US, but not arranged 299 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: by parents or anyone else, arranged by themselves. She wanted citizenship, 300 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: He needed somebody to take care of his mom. The 301 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: deal was done. He says that she had been in 302 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: the home. When he came back from the daughter, she 303 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: was gone. Friends say she was driving from Boynton Beach 304 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: all the way to Hilia, from Hilia to Boyton. So 305 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: what has happened? Where is she? Is she still alive? 306 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: What can police do? Was there a two day delay 307 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: in reporting her? The husband seemingly taunting police, don't harass me. 308 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: Find the body? Well they did, but can it stick? 309 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Steve King w p b F 310 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: twenty five knees du Sell Sayid says he's known Cologne 311 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: for three or four years. He's kind of quiet, but 312 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: a weally don't know who He was overdes Ekay. Sometime 313 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: he passed right here with his dog. Sometime, he say 314 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: high two people. Gomez Mullet went missing over two weeks ago. 315 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: A few days later, a bloody purse believed to be 316 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: Gomez Mullets was found about a mile away from the home. 317 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: A mile away from the home, her purse was found. Now, 318 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: in my mind, that corroborates what he said. He came home, 319 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: she was there, he went to the doctor, he came 320 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: back and she was gone her purse bloody is the 321 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: key factor to me, and that scenario was found a 322 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: mile away from the home. You were just listening to 323 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: our friends dating at wp b F. I'm just wondering 324 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: about a cadaver dog. Back to you, Tim, Doctor Tim Gallagher, 325 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: a cadaver dog. Would it hit on just blood or 326 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: does it have to be decomposing human tissue? It could 327 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: be decomposing human tissue. It could also be decomposing human blood. 328 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: Decomposing tissue releases certain aromas that are not present in 329 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: living tissue, and that's exactly what the dogs hit on. 330 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: So it must be decomposing soft tissues such as muscle 331 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: organs or decomposing blood that has been exposed to the 332 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: air for approximately twenty five twenty four to about thirty 333 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: six hours. Karen start to hear the neighbors saying, gosh, 334 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: you're such a quiet guy. I've knowne in four years 335 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: and he speak to all the neighbors when he walked 336 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: his dog. Why is always the quiet ones the loaners 337 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: so to speak? Do you hear that all the time? 338 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: I know that interesting and it's true, so well behaved, 339 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: such a nice person. Well because behind it all, they're 340 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: really ruthless killers, but they're able to split their personality, 341 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: so they come up as being quite normal, you know, 342 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: the way we would expect our neighbor to be. And 343 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: that's what makes it so fascinating that they're really able 344 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: to be this other person and portray themselves that well. 345 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: So the search between Boynton Beach and Hialia is going on, 346 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: the search of the home is going on. Take a 347 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: listen to our cut five from our friends at wp 348 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: b F twenty five. Cologne told detectives they had an argument. 349 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: A later search of Cologne's home led to investigators find 350 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: blood on the front door and different parts of the house. 351 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: He said it was from his injured dog. Police say Cologne, 352 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: when talking with detectives, called Gomez Mullet different expletives and 353 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: said that she was quote swimming with the fishes. Did 354 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: I just hear that correctly, Jackie? That he called her 355 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: names after she goes missing and says she's quote swimming 356 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: with the fishes. Okay, well right there. I want to 357 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: arrest him right now, but sadly there's not enough proof. 358 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: She goes missing, he says she's swimming with the fishes 359 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: and calls her a lot of slurs and names. But 360 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: that's not enough for an arrestaurant. Melissa Hotmeyer, No, it's not. 361 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: But I want to arrest him too. I want to 362 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: arrest him right now. In fact, I want to go 363 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: ahead and just give him the death penalty. But I'm 364 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: going to hold back. You know another thing, what about 365 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: this Robert Crispin. I don't know if I need a PI, 366 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: but since I've got you, the founder of Crispin's Special Investigations, 367 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: former law enforcement. There is blood on a doorknob, and 368 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: he says it's from an injured dog. Since when does 369 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: a dog open the door with a doorknob? Listen, they 370 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: zeroed in on this guy right from the get go. 371 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: I guarantee you from being a trained investigator and dealing 372 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: with these trained investigators. And I've worked with a lot 373 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: of blinking beach guys at the very High Speed Police Department, 374 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: and the things that you just don't hear that are 375 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: in the press. These investigators are so trained. They sit 376 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: and they talk to somebody just like you do, Nanty 377 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: when you were a prosecutor. You know internally with your 378 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: sixth cents. Something's going on with this guy. They had 379 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: a person of interest. From the time they walked in 380 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: that front door, everything else just started to come together 381 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: as soon as they found that purse. What did that do? Boom? 382 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: That put it right by his house. So guess what, 383 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: we don't have to look back in highly anymore. Do 384 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: right now? Now we're finding blood on the doorknob. Boom. 385 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: His story that the dog did it, I don't think. 386 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: So let's test that. I mean, the dog did it. 387 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: That's like, that's like making excuse two. Oh, it starts 388 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: with the dog gate my homework. Now they're blaming the 389 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: dog for the blood in the home. But the reality is, 390 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, when minutes count, detectives can't tell by 391 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: looking at the blood whether it's human blood or dog blood. 392 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: That is true, But they can do a quick in 393 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: field test with something called a phenol thaline to determine 394 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: if it's human or not. So it's no, it'll just 395 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: take a few minutes to verify human or not phenol phaline. 396 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: How does that work, doctor Gallagher, Well, if it is 397 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: human blood, it'll turn one color, it'll turn purple color, 398 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: and if it is not human blood, it will just 399 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: stay colorless. Can you tell me that one more time. 400 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about phenol phaline, and it is a quote 401 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: field test, which means you don't just do it in 402 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: the lab, you take it out in the field with you. 403 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: Tell me again how it works, please, Well, you phaline 404 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: is a liquid, and you would apply it to a 405 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: sample of the blood that you found in question. And 406 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: if the blood is human blood, then the phenal failine 407 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: test strip would turn a purple color that would indicate 408 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: its human blood. If it does not turn the purple color, 409 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: that would indicate it is either not blood or not 410 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: human blood. So this guy all along, this husband taunts 411 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: the cops, challenges them to quote find the body as 412 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: they search for his missing newly wed bride. Bam, they did, 413 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: and he helped them all the way down the Primrose Path. 414 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Josh Navaro WPTV. Police say a 415 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: bloody purse believed to be the victims was found just 416 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: down the street a few days later from Cologne's house. 417 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: Gologne's arrest affidavis says a source came forward to police 418 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: saying that Cologne, through telephone calls, threatened to kill Gomez 419 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: Mulet and bury her in the backyard. Police obtained two 420 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: search warrants, one for the backyard where they found on 421 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: his wife remains. Mary's friend is still trying to make 422 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: sense of it. All of you, guys, the family distraught, 423 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: the friends distraught. Neighbors and families say nothing like that 424 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: ever happens in that neighborhood. Well it did, I mean, 425 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: but could you get original? One time Karen Stark buried 426 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: in the backyard. Really not only that, Nancy, he actually 427 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: gave it away. He's saying, you know, the dog did it, 428 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: but he's threatening to bury her in the backyard. So, um, 429 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: why is it so often we don't believe people when 430 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: they say things like I'm gonna kill you and bury 431 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: you in the backyard. Why would you even say they 432 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: think that they have. You have to believe when somebody 433 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 1: says something that outrageous to you. You need to believe 434 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: that there's something behind it. And I think, well, nobody's 435 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: capable of doing that. We know people are capable of 436 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: doing that, so believe it. But if somebody threatens to 437 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: kill you and that's specific about what they're gonna do 438 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: with you, believe it to Melissa Hotmyer, chief Special Victim 439 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: and Family Violence Union at Prince George's County state office 440 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: there in Maryland. Melissa Hotmyer, are you married, may? I ask, 441 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: I am, Has your husband ever said I'm going to 442 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: kill you? He has not, But if he has, I 443 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: think he'd be talking to some of my friends at 444 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: the police dequipment much less a divorce lawyer. Hey, Melissa, correct, 445 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: You know what. I've known my husband for many years 446 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: before we got married, and we've been married now about 447 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: fourteen years. Never once have either of us said the 448 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: words I'm gonna kill you. I mean, not even really joking. 449 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: You know a lot of times people say joking, I 450 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: want to kill him. We don't even say that joking 451 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: much less seriously. Yeah, I mean I think that you know, 452 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: when somebody says that to you, and especially in the 453 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: case where you don't know them, and this couple obviously 454 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: didn't know each other, well you should. You should believe them, 455 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: and you should leave Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Right now, 456 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: we're talking about a lovely young woman, Mary Stella Gomez Mullet, 457 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: wants desperately to be a US citizens. She enters a deal, 458 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: a deal with the devil to marry Robert Collen in exchange. 459 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: You're looking after his mom. Shortly after, she's never seen 460 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: alive again, and the husband taughts police, hey, try find 461 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: the body, otherwise leave me alone. Well, they did find 462 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: the body in his back yard. Alexas tres Chuck following 463 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: up on that, I've never heard you or your husband 464 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: speak ill, even jokingly. I want to kill him. Those 465 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: are very serious words. But think about it, alexis, how 466 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: many times in cases that we have covered or investigated, 467 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: has those words been uttered? For instance, with Robert Blake, 468 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: he threatened Bonnie Lee Bakley, He talked about killing her, 469 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: and then he did, I don't care what the jury said. 470 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,719 Speaker 1: What about Orienthal James Simpson O J. Simpson? He beat 471 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: Nicole Brown over and over and over. He threatened violence 472 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: on her. He threatened to kill her, and then he did. 473 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious, and so in this case, guess and 474 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: that happened with Oja, it happened with Robert Blake. The 475 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: police did not help. When you call simpsonbody's first name, 476 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: like your friends, like you're gonna have dinner together, go ahead. Well, 477 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: this guy actually had been threatening this for a couple 478 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: of months. The Mary Stella's friends said they heard him 479 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: say these exact specific things, I'm going to kill you 480 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: and bury you in the backyard. Not just i'm going 481 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: to kill you. Oh, I'm so mad you've burned dinner. 482 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you. I'm hungry. No, this was 483 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you and bury you in the backyard. 484 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: It actually reminds me of Mel Gibson in those tapes 485 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: where he was threatening the mother of his child and 486 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: he was saying, I'm going to bury you in the 487 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: rose garden. She is lucky that he didn't bury her 488 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: in the rose garden. But it's, you know, interesting how 489 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: people make these threats. We discount I don't, but a 490 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: lot of people discount them. But in this case it 491 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: absolutely came true. Take a listen to Steve King WPSB. 492 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: Police also say Cologne called a certain room in his 493 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: house a French word meaning slaughterhouse, and he said things 494 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: like that police will not be able to quote put 495 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: Humpty Dumpty back together again, and that Gomez Mullet was 496 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: quote swimming with the fishes. But there's something we're not 497 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: at least to happen in this neighborhood. Because the spot 498 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: spot and went to on beach. It's very quiet, everybody, 499 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: You know everybody, So let me go to you, Alexis 500 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: terres Chuck, what was the condition of her body once 501 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: it was I mean he basically laid out the breadcrumbs 502 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: for them to follow, like a big idiot, and they did. 503 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: But what's interesting, I guess I'm going to need a 504 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: shrink on this. Why would he taught police about finding 505 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: the body? But alexisterst Chuck, what was a condition of 506 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: Mary Stella's body when it was found? Luckily it wasn't 507 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: as decomposed as you would think after being buried under 508 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: the ground, because they were able to use her fingerprints 509 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: or her hands were still intact to identify her. Although 510 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: if you have to use fingerprints, I guess then you're 511 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: not looking at the face and saying, oh, that for 512 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: sure Mary Stella. So they had to use fingerprints. What 513 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: does that mean? Joining me is an expert medical examiner 514 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: for these state off Florida. You can find me at 515 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: pathcaremed dot com, doctor Tim Gallagh. Or what does that 516 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: mean that they had to use fingerprints to identify her body? Well, 517 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: that means that she was in some sort of state 518 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 1: of decomposition. And you know, we do have to identify. 519 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: It's the responsibility of the medical examine to identify an 520 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: individual in the case of a homicide. Now we have 521 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,479 Speaker 1: to identify them scientifically, and by scientifically, we have to 522 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: identify them by some unique identifier that is present only 523 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: on their body. So fingerprints would be one way of 524 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: identifying someone scientifically. Using their DNA would also be that way, 525 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: as well as dental records. So it's not just looking 526 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: at a visual of facial recognition for identification. We have 527 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: to identify them in a scientific sense. You know, even 528 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: if the body was never found. Do you hear what 529 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: all he was saying to you New York psychologists joining 530 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: us today here and start. He referred to a particular 531 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: room in the home as a slaughterhouse. He used all 532 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: sorts of slurs and demeaning comments about the victim, Mary Stella. 533 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: That alone, he said, she was quote swimming with the fishes. 534 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: All that together in conjunction with the bloody purse, the 535 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: blood on the doorknobs, which is proven by a field 536 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: test to be human, and my mind would be enough 537 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: to prosecute him, whether you find the body or not. 538 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: What is it in the human psyche that would make 539 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: someone make these comments taunting police. Well, this is such 540 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: classic psychopathic behavior, Nancy, that we could produce in a 541 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: text book. Think about it. I mean absolutely devoided gilt right, 542 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: no empathy. His behaviors are outrageous. He places the blame 543 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: on others and the dog, and he's paranoid about her. 544 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: And he has that arrogance where he wants to infuriate 545 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: the police to feel superior, you know, to show that 546 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 1: he's in charge. The twunting, just the twunting alone would 547 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: show you that this is not your normal person that 548 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: you come across in the street. This is somebody who 549 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: has no conscience. To Melissa Hotmeyer joining us out of Maryland, 550 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: you and I know, especially with your background as special 551 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: Victims and Family Violence Unit chief, that the most dangerous 552 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: time for a woman in any kind of relationships when 553 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: she plans to leave the relationship. Now, the same friend 554 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: we alluded to earlier said that Mary Stella had gone 555 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 1: to the home to return items to Colon and cut 556 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: off ties with him. That one factor, based all statistics alone, 557 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: tells me that is when the violence occurred when she 558 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: tried to break up. Absolutely, it is You're right, It 559 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,479 Speaker 1: is the most dangerous time It's why unfortunately, so many 560 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,959 Speaker 1: victims don't leave because they're afraid of what will happen 561 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: when they do. And this is just proof that the 562 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: worst did happen. And you know, I'm sure he flew 563 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: into a rage because nobody leaves him. And we all 564 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: know what happened now we know that. On a follow 565 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: up interview two days later, police notice blood on the 566 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: front door of Cologne's home as well as in his workshop. 567 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: Now he climbs. First it came from a dog. Then 568 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: he also said it came from a cut he got 569 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: while working in his workshop. You know, don't you just 570 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: love it? Robert Crispin, former cop, now runs his own 571 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: PI business, Crispin Special Investigations. When the husband of all 572 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: people changes the story about the blood, oh Nancy, he 573 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: himself is just putting our case together for us every 574 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: time he opens his mouth. And the only thing if 575 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: you go from the time the law enforcement showed up, 576 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: all the way through finding the purse, all the way 577 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: through finding the blood, all the way through finding the 578 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: stories in any other case that you watch anywhere in 579 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: the US where someone's not guilty, what do we not 580 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: see with this husband? Where the room? Where is the 581 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, where's my wife? Oh my god, what 582 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: can I do to help you? Oh my god, I 583 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: love her? Oh my god, what happens to her? We 584 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: don't have any of that. So from the time that 585 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: the police walked in, then there was no compassion if 586 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: his wife was missing. He walked us right through his 587 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: own prosecution. And I love a guy that just keeps 588 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: talking because I won't shut him up. I will let 589 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: him keep talking and talking. And when it comes to 590 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: the blood, like the doctor said, that protemptive test takes 591 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: about a minute, swab it. It's human blood. I'm getting 592 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: my search for him, and it's just going to unfold 593 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: from there. So his statements put him in jail. Along 594 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: with the scientific evidence, we'll convict him. Man, you're not kidding. 595 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: And another comment he made quote, at least you didn't 596 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: find a body at my house. I mean, it goes 597 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: on and on with this guy. Take a listen to 598 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: our friends. Earlier we were hearing our friends wp b F. 599 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our cut ten. Take a 600 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: listen now to our cut nine. Steve King twenty five 601 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: news Roberto Cologne appearing virtually in a Palm Beach County 602 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: courtroom Saturday morning. I understand he's going to be held 603 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: based on the seriousness of the charges, count one, which 604 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: is the premeditated first screen murder. As of now, on 605 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: count one, there's no bond. Investigators searched Cologne's home on 606 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: Southeast twenty eighth Court in Boyton Beach on Friday, finding 607 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: the remains of Mary Stella Gomez Mullet in the backyard. 608 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: Cologne told investigators the two were married so Gomez Mullet 609 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: could acquire US citizenship. Now the defense is trying desperately 610 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: to get all of his comments thrown out of evidence. 611 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: Will it taint the case? We wait as justice unfolds. 612 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off from Buried in the backyard, 613 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend.