1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: take their days from great to awesome and any. 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Advice they have for the rest of us. 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: So today I am delighted to welcome Lars May to 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Before Breakfast. 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Lars is a leader in the digital. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: Wellness movement, something I know a lot of people here 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: are thinking about and about our relationship with technology. 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: So Lars, welcome to the show. 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: Good morning, and thank you for having me. 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm delighted to have you here. So why don't 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself. 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 4: My name is Lars. I am one of the founders 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 4: of the Digital Wellness movement, and I believe in building 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 4: a life where we can find harmony with technology as 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 4: opposed to allowing technology to take control of our senses. 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 4: What inspired me to get involved in this space was 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: ten years ago after almost losing my life to technology 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: as a young person, and that led me to start 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 4: Half the Story, which is a nonprofit and a mission 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: to empower the next generation's relationship with technology and now Ginko, 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: a new business that aims at bringing parents closer to 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: their kids and using tech as a way to give 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: them signals about what's really going on beneath the surface 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: of screen time. 29 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely well with screen time. 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I know a lot of the headlines are 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: about things with you know, mental health, and I know 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: you've had a journey with that as well, But beyond 33 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: even that, I mean, on a fundamental level, I think 34 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 2: what gets at a lot of people about the screen 35 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: time issue is that it's a sheer volume of time, right, 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: Like that people are spending so much time engage with 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: their screens and it winds up being a significant chunk 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: of the day. I mean, I know you've done research 39 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: into this, like how much time are we talking here? 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: Well, the average teenager will spend thirty years of their 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: life behind a screen. Most of you that are listening 42 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 4: to this right now probably picked up your phone within 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: three minutes of waking up, and most people are picking 44 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: up their phone ninety six times a day. But what 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: we don't talk about is that screen time is just 46 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 4: the surface. Screens are really symptoms for what we're experiencing 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: or what our needs are that need to be met. 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 4: Oftentimes are reaching for screens because we're feeling anxious, or 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 4: we're bored, or we're feeling disconnected from our partners. So 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 4: I really think we need to flip the script on 51 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 4: screen time and really start thinking about digital wellness as 52 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: brain health and a larger movement, but really with actions 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: that help us get better at it. 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm sure people think about it. Okay, Yeah, 55 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: past three minutes, I've probably picked up my phone. I 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: mean people are listening to this podcasts, probably on their phone, 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: so they may have forwarded through an ad or something 58 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: like that. But you know, I don't know that many people, 59 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: if they sat and thought about it, be like, yes, 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: I would love to spend thirty years of my life 61 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: on a phone, or yes, I would love to pick 62 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: up my phone ninety six time to day. 63 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of unintentional, right, absolutely, It's then 64 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: our subconscious and what we have to do is retrain 65 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: our brain quite literally, think of this as a new 66 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: wellness so that we can preserve our cognition and memory. 67 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 4: Because the moment that we're in right now, the question 68 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: is not how much screen time do we have that's 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: been the issue of the last thirty years. Now the 70 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 4: question is is how is screens or technology at large, 71 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 4: with open AI now creating wearables, how is that going 72 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 4: to change the way that humans interact with themselves? But ultimately, 73 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: how do we preserve humanity the things that make us 74 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: us on a daily basis? And it sounds crazy, but 75 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: for many of us how we start our day can 76 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: be very human and those small practices can actually change 77 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: our outcomes and help us go from good to great 78 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: from an emotional baseline a social baseline. And that's why 79 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: I believe screen time is a symptom and that we 80 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: ultimately can't be thinking about all screen time is the 81 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 4: same but really more about like food and to be 82 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: really conscious about one are we creating online versus one 83 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: are we consuming in order to preserve our emotional baseline? 84 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I like that food analogy because I mean, 85 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: much as with food, there's a lot that is within 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: your control. You cannot give it up one hundred percent, 87 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: And in the modern world it's probably the same with screens, correct. 88 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And so how would. 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: You define sort of digital wellness? 90 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: I mean, if we're looking for a way of thinking 91 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: about this, what is digital wellness. 92 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: Digital wellness is the ability to practice and cultivate a 93 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 4: positive relationship with technology that supports your life rather than 94 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 4: hurts it. So what that really is is small practices 95 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: which I think we'll get into in a minute, that 96 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: over time move big doors. 97 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: Well, let's go ahead and start with this. 98 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: I know you have some ideas if people are setting 99 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: kind of digital wellness resolutions, much as we might set 100 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: resolutions to eat more healthily or get to the gym 101 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: more often. 102 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: We talked through a few of this. What's one of 103 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: the first ones you'd recommend. 104 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 4: The first one is to intentionally go AI free one 105 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 4: day a week. I think we talk a lot about 106 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 4: tech detoxes, which is great, but the reality is is 107 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: that every time we're using AI, we're not actively engaging 108 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 4: our brain, and so making that small shift one day 109 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: a week can be incredible for your cognition. The second 110 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: thing is actually taking handwritten notes during meetings. Research shows 111 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 4: us that ultimately handwriting will help you with memory and cognition, 112 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 4: and that when you leave a meeting, mostly in the 113 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: digital world now, that you'll actually have better recall and process. 114 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 4: So many of us already have AI note takers, and 115 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 4: I think it's easy to go into autopilot, but handwriting 116 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: actually slows us down. 117 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: I love that actually, you know, because. 118 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: It's not just having a record of the meeting, it's 119 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: the note taking process about getting it into your brain 120 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: where you can actually use it. 121 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we've lost that. I'm not sure if you 122 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: saw the article about middle schoolers trying to bring back 123 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: cursive in school, and we've seen stationary shops are booming now, 124 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 4: but humans are craving the need to communicate. Our ability 125 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: to emote and to connect with others is something that 126 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: defines us from technology. We have to know when to 127 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 4: swap screens with scripts, when to swap emails for snail mail. 128 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: And I ultimately believe from my own experience that to 129 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: go from good to great in a day, to really 130 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 4: feel like you're sitting and processing a tough interaction or 131 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 4: even a creative brainstorm, you have to go beyond the 132 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 4: screen and into the script or the notebook, which I 133 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 4: have a bunch of them on my desk. And that's 134 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: another tip I like to say, which is everyone's talking 135 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 4: about the analog bag, what about the analog desk? On 136 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: my desk, I have beads to make friendship bracelets that 137 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 4: I don't multitask in meetings. 138 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: We need to. 139 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 4: Break the scroll cycle by having things to actually engage 140 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 4: us when we feel the need to multitask, which isn't 141 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 4: even really something that humans can do. 142 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: All right, So we're going to take one quick ad 143 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 2: break and then we'll be back with more on digital 144 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: wellness from Lars may. 145 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: Well. 146 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: I am back. 147 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: Talking with Lars may who's a leader in the digital 148 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: wellness movement, and I love the idea that you just said. 149 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: You have friendship bracelet making kits on your desk. You're 150 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: holding it up. I wish our listeners could see that. 151 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: And you mentioned that's about not multitasking when you're doing 152 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: I mean, are you doing that to keep your hands 153 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: occupied while you're listening to things or just as a 154 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: total break. 155 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm curious how you incorporate that. 156 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I believe that in the world that we're living in, 157 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: if you're a CEO or you're on the other side 158 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: of the screen, I would bet that nine times out 159 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: of ten, the person you're meeting with is probably checking 160 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: their phone or their email during that meeting. You are 161 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: not getting undivided attention. And so for me, by having 162 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: a friendship bracelet or knitting, or even just a notebook 163 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 4: to jop down my notes is my commitment to undivided 164 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: an attention, and I oftentimes share at. 165 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: The beginning of the meeting. 166 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: I want you to know I'm making a friendship bracelet 167 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: or I'm coloring my pug coloring book because I don't 168 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: want to be tempted to multitask and to pick up 169 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: my phone. And it's something that I think we've just 170 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: normalized multitasking, but it's actually not true. What you're doing 171 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: is switch tasking, and you're giving everything ten percent or 172 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: fifteen percent as opposed to one hundred percent. 173 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Because it's like you need that one little thing to 174 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: do that. 175 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: People have a slight bit of nervous energy, and I 176 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 2: guess the friendship bracelet making is a way to capture that, 177 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: or maybe something like walking while you are having a meeting. 178 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: I've got my walking treadmill down here. 179 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: I wasn't going to do that for this, but really 180 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: getting out of our heads and into our bodies in 181 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: order to get into the present in the digital world. 182 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 4: And there's a new concept that I've been hanging my 183 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 4: hat on, which is really digital attunement, which is how 184 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 4: can we use digital technologies to convene and actually better 185 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: attune to our own needs and others to lead to 186 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: more human and better outcomes. And I believe that the 187 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: way that we're designing technology, but ultimately our lives needs 188 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: to be thinking about those nuances as opposed to just 189 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: checklists and how we're spending our time, but really adding 190 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 4: that intention, because the difference between a minute and a 191 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: moment is that intention. 192 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 193 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: Well, we've been going through some of these digital wellness resolutions. 194 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: I know we had go AI free one day a week. 195 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: Maybe just on a practical level, I mean, I guess 196 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: you have to be careful about what you're doing with 197 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: your browser, even if that because a lot of it's automatic. 198 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 4: Right, Well, what I really mean is that do not 199 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: go on claud or open AI. 200 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: For a day. 201 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 4: And what that forces you to do is actually write 202 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 4: every email, actually take handwritten notes from the meeting. Sometimes 203 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 4: what I'll do is I'll actually capture notes on my 204 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 4: notebook and I'll take photos and upload them to AI 205 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 4: to then translate them to the digital world, which I 206 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 4: think is a really phenomenal practice. 207 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: When the world We'll started. 208 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 4: Using Google maps, and we moved on a map quest. 209 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 4: I think we all probably remember our parents printed that 210 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: out and it was like, we need to make a 211 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 4: guide for the road. You didn't have to think about 212 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: that anymore because you started going into autopilot. What happens 213 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 4: in the digital world is that when we go to 214 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: AI for every single answer, or to write every single email, 215 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 4: even personal emails or texts, our brain is going into autopilot. 216 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 4: So you have to make that choice to rev up 217 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 4: the engine that is your brain and strengthen that muscle 218 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 4: in order to really preserve your brain health. And I think, yes, 219 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: this is about digital wellness or revolution resolution, but digital 220 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: wellness is brain health. And my hypothesis is that based 221 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 4: on what we're seeing with kids, how their brains are 222 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 4: literally changing because of technology, if we don't do these things, 223 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 4: we're going to start seeing earlier onset dementia and Alzheimer's 224 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: because our brains are weakening over time. 225 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: All right, well, that's a scary thought. 226 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: And we've all laughed at the people who are putting 227 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: on a map, you know, software in order to get 228 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: somewhere that clearly've been to a dozen times before. Is like, 229 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: did you not think about this like your brain is 230 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: not even even operating in a you know, an engaged form. Okay, 231 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: so number two was to take our notes by hand. 232 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: What's number three? 233 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 4: Number three is to ultimately use the digital world to 234 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 4: maximize your time in the real world. So what I do, 235 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 4: for example, is every Sunday, I love to look up 236 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: recipes on the Internet. One of the best ways to 237 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: waste your time is running around a grocery store for 238 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 4: three hours trying to find all the things. What I 239 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: do is I come up with my theme for the week. 240 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 4: I take my recipes, I drop them into chat GBT 241 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: and say, pull out everything I'm going to need for 242 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: a party of two, and organize every recipe and item 243 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: I need by aisle to maximize my time. 244 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: At the store. 245 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 4: What that does is reduces the amount of time I 246 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 4: have to actually think about getting the materials and optimize 247 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 4: my time for the creative thinking. 248 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Excellent, All right, what's the next one? 249 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: So the next one is swap email for snail mail. 250 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 4: One of the best ways that you can actually rewire 251 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: your brain is through gratitude. I always have a box 252 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: of stationary with me, and it's very easy to write 253 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: an email or a text but when you actually show 254 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: up to a meeting or you send a letter in 255 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 4: the mail, it shows that you cared, and you cared 256 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: enough to stop, drop and write instead of just throwing 257 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 4: in a prompt to open AI. And that's what goes 258 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: from a digital transaction into a human transformation and relationship. 259 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: I love that one. 260 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of young people these days 261 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: don't even know how you address and stamp an envelope. 262 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: I had a conversation with one of my kids about 263 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: the purchasing of stamps. 264 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: It had never come up before. 265 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: I mean, if they're not being taught cursive in school, 266 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 4: how would they know how to put a stamp on 267 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 4: a letter. 268 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. It's not something we think about. 269 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: But a great tip for people here too. 270 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: Carry cards and your pursor backpack and take a few 271 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: minutes if you've got some downtime to do it, and 272 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: then you've got a fifth one as well. 273 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, brick your phone. I have a brick. 274 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 4: It's an incredible tool. I'm sure you've been seeing it 275 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 4: all over the internet. What I love about it is 276 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 4: that it's actually the physical act of tapping your phone 277 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: and tapping you out of the digital world. 278 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: I spend all. 279 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: Of my weekends now completely social media free and the 280 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: spirit of handwritten notes. I've actually decided to master the 281 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 4: art of calligraphy, and that's something that I'm now spending 282 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: my weekends on and swapping my scrolling doing that. If 283 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 4: you think about it, if you're spending eight hours a 284 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: day online and on the weekends you're spending eight hours 285 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 4: a day, and they say it takes ten thousand hours 286 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 4: to master something, you should really just find an art 287 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: and go after it. 288 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: That is the best thing you can do for. 289 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: Your productivity, for your mental health, and it also gives 290 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 4: you something to focus on besides work. 291 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And with that, it's really a two step process then, 292 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: because you're saying first you make sure that the technology 293 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: is not necessarily an option, like it's not an easy 294 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: option for you. You can get around the brick if 295 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: you need to, but it's not an easy option. And 296 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: then you also have to think of what sort of analog, 297 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: fun whatever would fill your time otherwise I. 298 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: Always say swap screens with fun. So yes, and I 299 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: think when you're just getting on your digital wellness journey, 300 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: and the same way that when you're on a diet, 301 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: you want to make it harder. The access ice cream, 302 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 4: maybe you're not putting it in the freezer, and maybe 303 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: you're not buying the family size chips. Some people are 304 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: hiding them or putting them in their kids launch boxes 305 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: to take at school. You have to do the same 306 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 4: with tech. Delete the things that you know are bad 307 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: for you. That's the junk food of the digital world. 308 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: Bite size and focus on the positive consumption. I would 309 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: argue that your podcast is a phenomenal way to actively 310 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 4: consume technology and walk away with real skill sets that 311 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: are to take your life from good to great. Listening 312 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: to you versus mindlessly scrolling on TikTok and feeling hopeless 313 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 4: are both time spent in the digital world, but the 314 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: outcomes are drastically different. So we need to start thinking 315 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: about our inputs, how it makes us feel, and spend 316 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 4: more time in the active state of consumption, the apples 317 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: and the banana of the digital world, as opposed to 318 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: the passive, which might be the fast food. 319 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: And so someone listening to this might be like, well, Lars, 320 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: that sounds great. What do I do if the people 321 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: around me are still kind of on screens? Like, how 322 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: can I broach this with you know friends or family members, like, Hey, 323 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: I'd love to have you know, a screen free dinner 324 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: with you guys, or I'd love to hang out and 325 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: not be checking our phones for things. 326 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Are there good ways to have that conversation? 327 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 4: The conversation is one thing, The action is another. Get 328 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: a box, put it at your front door and say 329 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 4: we're screen free tonight. And if you really need to 330 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: call someone or text someone, you can get outside this room. 331 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: But I think it's a about containing spaces for socialization. 332 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're going to take one more quick 333 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: ad break and then I will be back with more 334 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: from Lars may. 335 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: Well. 336 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: I am back talking with. 337 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: Lars may who is a leader in the digital wellness movement. 338 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: We've been comparing digital wellness resolutions to some of the 339 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: physical wellness resolutions we might set, like you know, making 340 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: it harder to do things that we don't want to do, 341 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: making it easier to do more of things that we 342 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: do wish to have in our lives. So, Lars, I'd 343 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: like to pivot a little bit more to your schedule. 344 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: You've been talking about having time off screens on weekends. 345 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: I'm wondering what a what a work day tends to 346 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: look like for you. 347 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: Well, I sleep from nine to five or four forty 348 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 4: five am. The first thing I do is wake up. 349 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 4: I like to put on gospel music. I immediately flip 350 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: the switch of multiple senses, one being sent, so I 351 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: always like incense. And I actually the first thirty minutes 352 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: of my day free writing, completely screen free. And what 353 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: that allows me to do is all of my creative processing. 354 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 4: And then what I actually do is make a bulleted 355 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 4: list of what are the three rocks that I actually 356 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 4: want to achieve today before I even get into technology, 357 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: because digital overload has a really great way of making 358 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: you think that one hundred things are important when usually 359 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: it's only three things that are going to move your 360 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: business forward. In my workday, I really try to implement 361 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: digital wellness into my team culture. So what that looks 362 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 4: like is one hundred and eight seconds of silence before 363 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 4: we start an internal meeting. It allows people to attune 364 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 4: and drop in. It's actually something that Bob Leary used 365 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 4: to do, and he would say that it's enough time 366 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: to make you feel uncomfortable but comfortable, and to also 367 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 4: recognize people that have gone into other realms. And I 368 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: know that silence can feel weird, but it's actually one 369 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 4: of the most powerful ways to create vulnerability and connection. 370 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 4: I incorporate walk and talk, so a lot of times 371 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: when people want to meet with me, if I'm not 372 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 4: looking at a screen, I say, sorry, I'm putting on 373 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: my headphones and I'm going to walk my pugs and 374 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 4: I hope that's okay with you, But you're going to 375 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 4: get the best of me if I'm fully present and 376 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 4: out in the world. I think that we don't talk 377 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 4: about that a lot as leaders, but we should be 378 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 4: asking for more screen free connection. And there's even some 379 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 4: research that shows when you're speaking in audio and you're 380 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 4: fully present there that you can actually get deeper and 381 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: you have better ideas. A lot of my day is 382 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: on Zoom when I'm not on the ground or meeting 383 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: with my team in person. So finding that healthy harmony 384 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 4: I think balance is honestly made up completely. It allows 385 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 4: me to still feel like I have enough cognitive fuel 386 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 4: for creativity. I typically stack my Zoom meetings in the 387 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: afternoon because the morning from about five am till noon 388 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: is my most productive and creative time. Try to optimize 389 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: my day for that output. At the end of every day, 390 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 4: I write one or two letters either to people I've 391 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: met with that day, investors, young people I've impacted, politicians, 392 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 4: and I mail them And it's one of the best 393 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: practices of gratitude to really seal my day literally and figuratively, 394 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 4: but also brings that tactile moment for processing instead of 395 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: just constantly going from screens into more screens into bed, 396 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 4: which I think was the vicious cycle that we're all 397 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 4: trying to break free from that the pandemic put us in. 398 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of which I know a lot of my 399 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: listeners are still doing a lot of their meetings on 400 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 2: Zoom or teams or other related programs. 401 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: Are there ways to make. 402 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 2: Those meetings feel more human and like we're connecting even 403 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: if we're not in the same place. 404 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely. 405 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 4: I think that pets are one of the most powerful 406 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 4: human equalizers. And I did an incredible workshop with an 407 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 4: organization called Soul Pause with my team where we actually 408 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: all brought our pets and did mindfulness and loving manifestations 409 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: and meditations with them, and what it actually brought to 410 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: light was how distracted we are when we're with our animals, 411 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: which oftentimes means we're really distracted with ourselves and we're 412 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 4: not tuning into our own needs, and so I think 413 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: that finding ways where you can connect together, like bringing 414 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 4: in your animal or saying we're going to do a 415 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 4: family zoom. 416 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: Cum bring your kids. 417 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: And we want to meet them in the same way 418 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: that you would say, let's go to the park, allows 419 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 4: your coworkers to have more empathy for what's going on 420 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 4: beyond your small window. So that's something that we practice 421 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 4: a lot, and I think I always like to start 422 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 4: my meetings with also, what's your truth today? We get 423 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: onto these calls. You don't know that right before this, 424 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 4: my dogs were fighting over a bone and my husband 425 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: had to come in and pull them out, and you know, 426 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: I had to reground so that I could be fully 427 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 4: present here. And we don't have those in real life 428 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: emotional attunement and that connection, and it's important to have 429 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 4: those micro moments of connection in the digital world so 430 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 4: that we don't lose that. 431 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, that would be a different way to start 432 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: a zoom for sure. I'm gonna think about that. 433 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: Asking people what their truth is right now, get at 434 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: what they've just been doing. So Lars, you know that 435 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: I always ask people in these interviews, what is something 436 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: you've done recently to take a day from great to awesome. 437 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: Something that I've started doing recently is actually singing into 438 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 4: Suno in the morning and almost wrapping my feelings when 439 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 4: nobody's watching. And it sounds really silly, but it's actually 440 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 4: an incredible way to bring joy and to also just 441 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 4: let out all of your emotions and to let Sono 442 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 4: see on the other side what that song is. It's 443 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 4: almost like creating your own soundtrack to your life. 444 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: Well, I was wondering if you were singing with the 445 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: gospel music that you're playing when you first wake up 446 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: as part of your yeah, your morning routine. I'm curious, 447 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 2: why did you choose gospel music. I mean, that sounds amazing, 448 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: but it's not when I hear often. 449 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: You know. 450 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: I love this soulful connection in history. And one of 451 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 4: my favorite book songs is this Little Light of Mine, 452 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 4: the Sam Cook addiction. And I think the good to great, 453 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 4: quite frankly, for me, is always lighting a candle. It's 454 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: adding ritual to everything, a ritual to a meeting, a 455 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: ritual to a song. And I look up to Oprah Winfrey. 456 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 4: I listen to a lot of what she says and 457 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: how she lives her life, and I think there's something 458 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: that's so deeply special about gospel music that ignites you 459 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: and strikes a different chord and it helps me feel grounded, 460 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 4: quite frankly. And so Nina Simone is beautiful and you know, 461 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 4: someone that I wish I could have had dinner with 462 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: before she passed. But it's just the act of soul. 463 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 4: And I think in this world where we're all fighting 464 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 4: for attention and headspace and mind space, we have to 465 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 4: figure out how to preserve our souls that we can 466 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 4: do that heart. 467 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: Work absolutely all right? Well, and what's something you are 468 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: looking forward to right now? 469 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 4: Man? 470 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: So many things. 471 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 4: I think what I'm looking forward to is and the 472 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 4: nonprofit that I started, we've launched a fund in the 473 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 4: state of New York for teens to create screen free 474 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 4: fund social events across the state. And we're going to 475 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: be duplicating that model because there've been a lot of 476 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 4: rules nationally and statewide about AI and tech, and I'm 477 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: going to watch one hundred teens bring fear into fun 478 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: through screen free proms and dances. And to know that 479 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 4: we could take something that feels scary and to make 480 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: it joyful is really what the digital wellness revolution is all. 481 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: About sounds excellent. Well, Lars, where can people find you 482 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: if they want to learn more? 483 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 4: You can find me at Livnlike Lars, you can go 484 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 4: to half Thestory project dot com or paygingo dot com, 485 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: but find me in my DMS. I want to hear 486 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 4: how these rituals work for you and what you're swapping 487 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: your screens with for fun. 488 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: Please take her up on that for sure. Well, Lars, 489 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. Thank you to everyone for listening. 490 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: If you have feedback about this or any other episode, 491 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: you can always reach me at Laura at Laura. 492 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: Vandercam dot com. And in the meantime, this is Laura. 493 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and here's to making the most of 494 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: our time. 495 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast. If you've got questions, ideas, 496 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: or feedback, you can reach me at Laura at Laura 497 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: vandercam dot com. 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