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Speaker 2: I fear not.

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Speaker 1: You found the place for truth, the voice of a

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Speaker 1: generation that still has the will to believe in the

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Speaker 1: greatest country in the history of the world. This is

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Speaker 1: the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, here we go. All right, everybody, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get started here without further ado, We'd like to welcome

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Speaker 2: to the stage the one and only Don Junior's everyone

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Speaker 2: doing so, Don you are your popularity is waning here.

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Speaker 3: I know I've never not filled a room turning. This

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Speaker 2: Complicated business, as they say. We have obviously pretty tight security,

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Speaker 2: so we might manage to smuggle in a few a

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Speaker 2: is the members, That's what it is. I got. So

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Speaker 2: without Charlie. You were one of Charlie's closest relationships friends.

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Speaker 3: Oh Man, Wow, listen, he was just honestly a generational talent.

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Speaker 3: I think we've all probably heard the story right now,

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Speaker 3: you know already about how we've met. I've you know,

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Speaker 3: said it many times. This guy, he's the smartest guy

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Speaker 2: I have a question about Charlie's growth, right, so you

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Speaker 3: Charlie. Yeah, he was no Charlie Like yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you lose you know, you're being investigated it, you know it.

429
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Speaker 3: It certainly the natural tendency would be to you know,

430
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Speaker 3: to run from some of that. But if if you

431
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Speaker 3: actually have these feelings and you want your children to

432
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Speaker 3: grow up in a country that they recognize you actually

433
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Speaker 3: don't have a choice because as rough as it can be,

434
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Speaker 3: I think the alternative is, you know, of just giving

435
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Speaker 3: up and seeding this to you know, the most radical

436
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Speaker 3: you know, factions of our country. You know, I think

437
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Speaker 3: the end result of that is far worse than any

438
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Speaker 3: of this, and we've seen it can go very extreme.

439
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Speaker 3: So you know, I understand, you know, I'm not being

440
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Speaker 3: glib about that, but we don't have a choice and

441
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Speaker 3: we just have to keep going and you know, and

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: That's great, that's a great word done. And actually, you know,

444
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Speaker 2: I've been grateful to your family for a long time,

445
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Speaker 2: but in the aftermath of what happened with Charlie, that

446
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: gratitude has reached new heights because I see it in

447
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Speaker 2: three to mention, Yeah, thank it. Please you guys have

448
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 2: you guys have literally put up with unimaginable circumstances and

449
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: threats and lawfair and trying to bankrupt the Trump Org.

450
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Speaker 2: And I mean it's just it's what haven't they thrown

451
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Speaker 2: at you? Is where we're at.

452
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Speaker 3: Yah, that's a much shorter list. Ye, But you know, again,

453
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Speaker 3: I think for us, you know, we have that same

454
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Speaker 3: sort of you know mentality. You know, if if you

455
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Speaker 3: have to choose between fight or flight, we just fight.

456
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Speaker 3: And you know, we were lucky enough to you know,

457
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Speaker 3: when they went after us with the banks, we sort

458
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Speaker 3: of you know, went all in on crypto. We came

459
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Speaker 3: up with solutions to the problems that we were facing. Uh.

460
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Speaker 3: And you know, I think a lot of people realized that,

461
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Speaker 3: you know, if they can do it to Trump, they

462
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Speaker 3: can do it to anyone. But if they will do

463
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Speaker 3: it to Trump, and they will do it so flagrantly

464
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Speaker 3: and so obviously, who won't they do it to. And

465
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Speaker 3: I think you know that, I think that brought a

466
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Speaker 3: lot of people out of the woodwork, because I get it.

467
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Speaker 3: It's if you don't have that platform, if you don't

468
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Speaker 3: have that balance sheet to be able to fight back financially,

469
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Speaker 3: if you don't have any of those things. I could

470
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Speaker 3: see that being much more daunting to the average person.

471
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Speaker 3: But again, I think they realized that, you know, if

472
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Speaker 3: you don't fight now, there's no coming back, like there's

473
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Speaker 3: no there's no coming back from a communist takeover. And

474
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Speaker 3: that's just you know, just degrees of bad at that point.

475
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Speaker 3: And so you know, I think, you know, you almost

476
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Speaker 3: needed to see that, because you know when I when

477
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Speaker 3: I started this, and you know, I was a business

478
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Speaker 3: guy from New York City and we it was great,

479
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Speaker 3: and I used to get invited to the cool person

480
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Speaker 3: parties and you're like, well, you know, America this, you know,

481
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Speaker 3: I realized pretty quickly that, you know, initially I was

482
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Speaker 3: sort of fighting for the America I believed in and

483
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Speaker 3: you know, always thought existed, and you know, this is

484
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Speaker 3: just a little bit of something. And I realized fairly quickly,

485
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Speaker 3: and I know Charlie and I had this conversation a lot.

486
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Speaker 3: It's like we weren't actually fighting to preserve in America

487
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Speaker 3: that existed. We were fighting to create an America that

488
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Speaker 3: should have existed, the idea of our founding father, so

489
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Speaker 3: the things that they wanted that had been gone and

490
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Speaker 3: bastardized for far too long. And so you know, everyone

491
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Speaker 3: has this notion of their country. Tech No, no, man, we're

492
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Speaker 3: so far beyond that and so far gone. H We're

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Speaker 3: not fighting to preserve something. We're fighting to create something

494
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Speaker 3: that should have always been mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: We have ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: We can take questions.

498
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Speaker 4: So this is your opportunity right there.

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Speaker 2: Do we have a mic, Emma, or all right, she's coming,

500
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Speaker 2: let's do it for the mic, so we get in

501
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Speaker 2: on the pod. Folks at home can hear the questions.

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Speaker 3: Paulberg went my pledge masters from college so he could

503
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Speaker 3: ask some serious questions about hazing.

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Speaker 5: My name is Daniel, and I'd be romest if I

505
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Speaker 5: didn't say anything. I come from Chicago, Illinois, twenty minutes

506
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Speaker 5: from where Charlie was born and raised from Lake Zurich

507
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Speaker 5: as a brother in Christ.

508
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Speaker 2: I never hurt.

509
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Speaker 5: So much when I heard the news, and with you

510
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Speaker 5: all and pray for you guys. Thank you as involved

511
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Speaker 5: with my church and politics. Locally, words of encouragement for

512
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Speaker 5: me as I'm not going to back down from evil

513
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Speaker 5: as it rears its ugly head, especially in Illinois. People

514
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Speaker 5: say that it's lost, but I want to fight the

515
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Speaker 5: good fight in the battle there because it's my home

516
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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 2: Blows a little bit for Charlie as well. What could

518
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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 5: They're locally just words of encouragement. Truly, I know I'm

520
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Speaker 5: going to lie in my hope with God who is

521
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Speaker 5: the ruler.

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Speaker 3: But simply so, I think you know, honestly, you know

523
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Speaker 3: anything to stay engaged, right, I mean, I think we

524
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Speaker 3: we've always we've made this sort of mistake, and you know,

525
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: we're coming up onto midterm cycles like, well, Trump's not

526
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Speaker 3: on the ballots, so I'm going to stay home, and

527
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Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter, Like no, it matters. Everything matters.

528
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Speaker 3: You know, it's not about winning a presidential seat or

529
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Speaker 3: a Senate see or even congressional stuff. I mean, we

530
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Speaker 3: we got to win everything down to dogcatcher. We've seen

531
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Speaker 3: what they've tried doing. You know, what's happened to our

532
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Speaker 3: education system when the you know radical left control school boards.

533
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Speaker 3: You know, get involved in those things, these local elections

534
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Speaker 3: with a little bit of effort, you know, you know

535
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Speaker 3: matter and we never did that. You know, we were

536
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Speaker 3: building businesses or something like that. Is our mindset was,

537
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Speaker 3: you know, we want government out of our lives, so

538
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Speaker 3: we're not going to focus on it. But we've seen

539
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Speaker 3: how each one of those things has been taken over, subverted,

540
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Speaker 3: and weaponized against us that we just have to get

541
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Speaker 3: involved really across the entire board. The biggest thing is

542
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Speaker 3: we just can't see any single aspect of these things.

543
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Speaker 3: And you know, while you know Illinois, I came from

544
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Speaker 3: the People's Republic of New York. You know, there are

545
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: still these pockets that we can't just give up. You know,

546
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: if you do that, we can we can move mountains.

547
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Speaker 3: If you get involved, you do so effectively, I think

548
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: so much can actually change. And I think you know

549
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: that that local politics aspect has been something that's forgotten

550
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: for so long, but frankly could be more important, you

551
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: know than even you know, the bigger picture of things.

552
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: They get all perhaps the you know, the glitz and

553
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: the glam and the rallies, but just have to stay involved.

554
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 3: You have to get to your friends. You have to

555
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: be you know, as we're sort of talking about earlier,

556
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: you have to essentially become unafraid when you start talking,

557
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: when you open up those doors to people. It's even honestly,

558
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Speaker 3: even when I was in New York, I mean, the

559
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Speaker 3: amount of people that would come by like hey great,

560
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: you know, the sort of thumbs up under the coat.

561
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: They don't want anyone else to see it. But you

562
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: start having these conversations with people and they're like, oh wait,

563
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: I can I can actually do that. When they see you,

564
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: you know, actually be able to fight through some of

565
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: that stuff and come out on top it, it changes

566
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Speaker 3: the mindset. I mean, I talk about my father's being

567
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: perhaps the most resilient man in the history of American politics.

568
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: I mean, when he got into this thing, he had

569
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Speaker 3: no chance of winning a primary. He wasn't going to

570
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Speaker 3: make it two weeks. It was a marketing stunt. Then

571
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Speaker 3: he got into a general and he had zero percent

572
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Speaker 3: chance of winning basically onto election day. And then he wins,

573
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Speaker 3: and then they're going to impeach. I mean, they got

574
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Speaker 3: him this time. And you know, the walls, walls, walls

575
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: are closing in. You know, I was like, I don't know,

576
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't you know, the walls were closing in three

577
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: days ago. When they release pictures, you know, ninety five

578
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: thousand pictures for Jeffrey Epstein. He's in like four of them,

579
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Speaker 3: and they were all like public pictures at like events

580
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Speaker 3: with adults, but they black out the face to make

581
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 3: it seem like it's there. And then you know, now

582
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's Clinton, four thousand pictures of

583
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Speaker 3: Clinton and behind the scenes with miners, and it's like,

584
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: you know, but people will never even hear those things.

585
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 3: You know, they'll they'll never know about those things. It's

586
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: you know what you guys are doing on this show

587
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: what perhaps I do on my podcast on Rumble. It's

588
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 3: just like getting the information out that no one else

589
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: is going to put out there. Once you start having

590
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: these conversations and people realize that that stuff is going on, man,

591
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: just opening that door for them to walk through a

592
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: little bit. You know, it's not easy to always be

593
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 3: the leader, but when you do so, many people will follow.

594
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: And when they start having that dialogue and they can

595
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: do so respectfully like Charlie did so well, you know

596
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: you can really you can really change the game. And

597
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: so the biggest thing is just stay involved. Get everyone involved.

598
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: You know, no task is too small.

599
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Speaker 2: All right, next question.

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Speaker 6: My name's Kathleen. I'm from Alaska and just really appreciate

601
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 6: you and your family. Don't want you to give up.

602
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 6: Stay in the game with us, please, we need you.

603
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: We don't know how to give up.

604
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Speaker 6: Okay, But I just want to say an answer in

605
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Speaker 6: answer to his question. So many other people you don't

606
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Speaker 6: have to get involved. We need people to involved in

607
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Speaker 6: the electoral process. But I asked someone on the left,

608
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Speaker 6: a long time Alaskan who was the fish Cazar for Alaska,

609
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Speaker 6: for off all our waters internationally and I said, if

610
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Speaker 6: you were king for a day of Alaska, what would

611
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Speaker 6: you do? Because he served under Governor Wally Hickel, and

612
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Speaker 6: he said, if I were king for a day, I

613
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 6: would stack boards and commissions. Every city, every state has

614
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Speaker 6: boards and commissions for every subject under the sun. And

615
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 6: you don't have to get elected for that. You just

616
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 6: have to put your name in the hat and you

617
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Speaker 6: can get appointed. And if you stack boards and commissions,

618
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Speaker 6: which is the ground level of entry to everything else

619
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Speaker 6: and it covers the subjects, you can be a voice.

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Speaker 7: That gains more voice.

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Speaker 3: We did.

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Speaker 6: I was on a board and commission for federal overreach

623
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Speaker 6: in Alaska, and it was amazing what we were able

624
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Speaker 6: to accomplish. So I just encourage people. That's an entry

625
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Speaker 6: level way.

626
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Speaker 3: To get in one hundred percent right, Thank you, yeah,

627
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: thank you, mister Trump for doing all you do.

628
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Speaker 8: I heard something here at Turning Point, USA that was

629
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Speaker 8: very disturbing about the pastor's son in South Korea. He's

630
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Speaker 8: been in prison for over one hundred and five days

631
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Speaker 8: for being a Christian and preaching the gospel. He rose

632
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Speaker 8: up at mega church from a mud hut. And I

633
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Speaker 8: think it would be awesome if you could maybe put

634
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Speaker 8: some pressure or talk to your father about putting some

635
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Speaker 8: pressure on South through where to get him out of prison.

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Speaker 3: I actually just heard about this, Betina, I bet literally

637
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: just sent it to me yesterday, so you know, I

638
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Speaker 3: write about that. But I've actually I've been over to

639
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Speaker 3: South Korea a bunch. I've spoken at i think, one

640
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Speaker 3: of the largest evangelical church in the world, and you know,

641
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Speaker 3: obviously there's you know, it's not easy to be evangelical

642
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Speaker 3: in South Korea even, but I know there's a lot

643
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Speaker 3: of that stuff going on. I just heard about the story,

644
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Speaker 3: you know, yesterday for the first time, so you know,

645
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Speaker 3: I'll look into it.

646
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: Pastor Son probably it was two weeks before, a week

647
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 2: before Charlie was assassin. It was a week before, not

648
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: even not even four days.

649
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: And then I think I may have actually met when

650
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: I was in Korea. It was sort of a rapid

651
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: fire and.

652
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: Here and yeah, we're we're gonna, we're we're gonna get

653
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: uh those notes to the admistration.

654
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: News flash, democrats America as a republic not a democracy

655
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: fact check True.

656
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's not easy to be evangelical and in

657
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: South Korea even, but I know there's a lot of

658
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: that stuff going on. I just heard about the story,

659
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: you know, yesterday for the first time, so Pastor.

660
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: Son probably it was two weeks before, a week before

661
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: Charlie was assassin. It was not even not even then.

662
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: And then I think I may have actually met when

663
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: I was in Korea. Yea, it was sort of a

664
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: rapid fire and.

665
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: Here and yeah, we're we're gonna, we've we're gonna get

666
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: uh those notes to the administration for sure, Yeah we are.

667
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: And don you can help. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's

668
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: a it's a grave injustice. What happened to him. He basically,

669
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, said something political and in South Korea, you're

670
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: not allowed to do that if you're a Christian, mister Trump,

671
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: how are you today, sir? Doing well?

672
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 9: Wonderfully like you, I'm also from the People's Republic of New.

673
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: York as well.

674
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 9: But putting that to the side, Charlie Kirk absolutely was

675
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 9: and still is to this day, my hero. And I

676
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 9: was just wondering what advice would you give to a

677
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 9: person like me to help uphold the wonderful legacy that

678
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 9: he left behind in terms of his pursuit of civil

679
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 9: discourse and trying to bridge divides and and reach out

680
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 9: to people on the other side of the aisle.

681
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: Just get out there and have the discourse. You know

682
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: when when he he wasn't used to doing that. When

683
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: we started in sixteen, he just started doing it. You know,

684
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: it wasn't a thing. It wasn't popular. There wasn't the

685
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: you know, proved me wrong type tours that you know,

686
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: that didn't exist. We sort of just you know, created

687
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: it on the fly by having those things. And so again,

688
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: just that willingness to get out there, the willingness to

689
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: have those conversations. You can do that respectfully. You don't

690
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: have to do it, you know, from an attack perspective.

691
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: And I think when people see that and they start,

692
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: you know, you back things up with actual facts, you know,

693
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: you'd be surprised. And I was frankly surprised. You know,

694
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: how many people you can win over who you know,

695
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: may not agree on much on a lot of these things,

696
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: but you've you've.

697
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 2: Seen it, you're One of my favorite montages that our

698
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: team put together was from some of these tours. I

699
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: think I Emma actually put it together where it was

700
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: like all these people kind of would say, you know,

701
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Charlie would give a hat? Do you want? You know,

702
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: do you want a hat? Because you came and you disagreed,

703
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: and if I convinced you and you can have a

704
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: hat if you want, and they'd be like, give me

705
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: the hat.

706
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 9: Charlie Hurry absolutely was and still is to this day,

707
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 9: my hero. And I was just wondering what advice would

708
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 9: you give to a person like me to help uphold

709
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 9: the wonderful legacy that he left behind in terms of

710
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 9: his pursuit of civil discourse and trying to bridge divides

711
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 9: and reach out to people on the other side of

712
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 9: the aisle.

713
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: Just get out there and have the discourse. You know,

714
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: when he wasn't used to doing that when we started

715
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: in sixteen, he just started doing it. You know, it

716
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: wasn't a thing. It wasn't popular. There wasn't the you know,

717
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 3: prove me wrong type tours that you know, that didn't exist.

718
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: We sort of just you created it on the fly

719
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: by having those things. And so again, just that willingness

720
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: to get out there, the willingness to have those conversations.

721
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: You can do that, respectfully. You don't have to do it,

722
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: you know, from an attack perspective, I think when people

723
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: see that and they start. You know, you back things

724
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: up with actual facts. You know, you'd be surprised, and

725
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: I was frankly surprised. You know how many people you

726
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: can win over who you know, may not agree on

727
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: much on a lot of these things, but.

728
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: You've seen it, you're One of my favorite montages that

729
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: our team put together was from some of these tours.

730
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: I think Emma actually put it together where it was

731
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: like all these people kind of would say, you know,

732
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: Charlie would give a hat, do you want you know,

733
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: do you want a hat? Because you came and you disagreed,

734
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: and if I convinced you and you can have a

735
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: hat if you want, and they'd be like, give me

736
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: the hat, give me the hat. And there's this montage

737
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: of all these kids getting convinced, and you know, you

738
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: put that on social media and it was, you know,

739
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: multiply that by probably millions. Thank you, mister Trump. Thank

740
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: you all right, last question, Thank.

741
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 10: You, mister Trump. So my name's Matthew. I was born

742
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 10: in the Bay Area in nineteen ninety six, and so

743
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 10: I grew up all these leftists institutions taken over our schools,

744
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 10: and I grew up as a young man where I

745
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 10: was made to feel evil because of my identity, basically

746
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 10: because I you know, even though I hadn't done anything.

747
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 10: And so my question for you is, you know, there

748
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 10: are a lot of young men who are angry and

749
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 10: frustrated and resentful because of the direction that the messaging

750
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 10: has taken and the economy, and you know, things are

751
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 10: just very hard. And so do you have a message

752
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 10: for these young men who are angry and struggling.

753
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: Well, I think you should be. I mean I spoke

754
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: about it a lot on social media this week. You

755
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: saw sort of you know, for the last twenty years,

756
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: the implementation of DEI. I mean, if you were a

757
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: young white male especially, it's like it didn't matter if

758
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: you were qualified to go to an Ivy League school,

759
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: you weren't getting in. You weren't getting the promotion. You know,

760
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: there's literally a you know, a generation or two of

761
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: men that are going to have a hard time ever

762
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: achieving that full potential because they were essentially shut out

763
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: of the workforce, they were shut out of academia. But

764
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: I think those people still had that potential. Uh it

765
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: was you know, pulled away from them in many respects.

766
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, like everything else, you just

767
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: have to keep going. There's no way to undo that, unfortunately.

768
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: But I think with that potential that they had, I

769
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: think there's other ways that you can do things. There's

770
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: you know, in the world in which we live right now.

771
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: That's it's there's such a dynamic change with AI and

772
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: everything going on right now. I think there's opportunities to

773
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: take those talents and be able to you know, gain

774
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: back those those losses that were so unfairly taken from you.

775
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: But I get it. It's we're trying to end that

776
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: right now. My father signed some eos this week, you know,

777
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: to stop that sort of essentially reverse racism. Uh. You

778
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: know that was going on against everyone and you were

779
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: you weren't going to get those jobs, you weren't going

780
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: to get into those schools, you weren't going to get

781
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: you know, the promotion. But you were privileged. And if

782
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: you were pissed about it, then you're a racist or something.

783
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: I don't you know, it doesn't have to make sense.

784
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

785
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: You know, when they controlled, when they controlled the media,

786
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: and they controlled the narrative, when they controlled all of

787
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: social and tech, you know, it didn't matter that you're bitter, Uh,

788
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: and you should be. But that doesn't mean you should

789
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: give up either. I think there's a lot of potential.

790
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: You just have to get back out there and do

791
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: it in a un conventional way.

792
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: And Charlie and the Trump family, you guys, are great

793
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: examples because you know, a lot of people think Charlie

794
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: was like created in a Petri dish by like billionaire

795
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: donors or something like this, you know, with the r

796
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: n C. And like, nothing could be further from the truth.

797
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: He yeah, you're gonna get me too soon, too soon.

798
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I've heard it all. I've heard it. Oh yeah,

799
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: that was a great interview until then.

800
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so thanks for to get you back to Sean.

801
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: So we you know, but you know, Charlie basically had

802
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: the door slammed in his face more times than it

803
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: was opened for a long long time, and he just

804
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: was an entrepreneur about it. He was so disruptive and

805
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: he worked so hard that eventually he just he just

806
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: forced the door to break down in front of him.

807
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: And you know, you guys, you think about your president,

808
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: your father's presidential run. I mean, yeah, he had to.

809
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: It was a hostile takeover. You had to force the

810
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: way into the the apparatus of the GOP and so

811
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: whatever that those barriers are. I mean, I just believe

812
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: Charlie is the living embodiment of He was just so

813
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: dogged and so determined that it wasn't gonna he wasn't

814
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: gonna be told no. And I think that's the the

815
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: the perspective we have to have in this country. Yeah,

816
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: well we gotta get you back, stay, I gotta go

817
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: give a speech. You're gonna go address about thirty one

818
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 2: thousand people to don't screw.

819
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: I'll try not to blow it.

820
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and millions watching online. Everybody, ladies and gentlemen. Don Jr.

821
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, thank you, thank you very much.

822
00:39:39,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: S all right, without further ado, we are going to

823
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: welcome up one of my favorite people, one of Charlie's

824
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: favorite people. She really she needs no introduction, Ali Beth Stuckey, Hey, y'all. Hi,

825
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: And Mikey McCoy by the way, Hello.

826
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 7: How are you doing, Mikey McCoy.

827
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: This is my first This is actually my first one

828
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: with Mikey. You've done some other ones with Yeah, this

829
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: is my first one.

830
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 11: I know, I've really missed you, mensa.

831
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 7: It's an honor.

832
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: We're so glad to have you. Thank you. You are

833
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: a crowd favorite, you have a huge platform, and you

834
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: are a wonderful Christian model of I would say integrity

835
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: of courage. You you've had a courageous last couple months.

836
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: I would say your whole career, certainly, But you have

837
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: been a voice of truth, reason, facts, and you've taken

838
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: the slings and arrows. So whatever in that intro that

839
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: you want to get into the floor is yours. You've

840
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: you've been a model of courage though for so many.

841
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 12: Well, thanks, and courage is contagious, and courage begets courage.

842
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 12: And I think a lot of us fancied ourselves as

843
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 12: brave before Charlie died, But then something was just triggered

844
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 12: in all of us in a really good way after

845
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 12: we saw that, and any care that we had about

846
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 12: what the world thought of us, or really what anyone

847
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 12: thought of us, it just fell to the wayside.

848
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 7: I know that I felt like that.

849
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 12: But even like my nieces and nephews and people I

850
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 12: know in my life who weren't political before, and maybe

851
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 12: they weren't really digging into their Bible, they certainly weren't evangelizing.

852
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 12: That has changed, and I just want to remind everyone.

853
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 12: I know, there's been a lot of noise, a lot

854
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 12: of disagreement, and it can feel very demoralizing, like is

855
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 12: the revival that we thought was going to happen?

856
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 7: Is it already over?

857
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 12: It can feel like that until you talk to the

858
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 12: everyday person and the conversations that I have with people

859
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 12: that I work with, or my friends or people that

860
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 12: I know that I didn't know we're interested in Christianity.

861
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 12: They're like, yeah, I'm going to church now. Yeah I

862
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 12: just got baptized. Yeah, I heard the gospel and I

863
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 12: believed it. So underneath all of the headlines like there

864
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 12: is a revival happening and the Holy Spirit is making

865
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 12: people more courageous, and I'm just happy that we still

866
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 12: get to be a part of that.

867
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, I want to encourage everybody that maybe

868
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: is asking those same questions. I've had the exact same

869
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: experience that you know, and I think it reflects now

870
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: in the polling. And still church attendance is still surging,

871
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: baptisms are still surging, and so you know, I think

872
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: sometimes when the light shines the brightest, the darkness tries

873
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: to counter it. Yeah, one for one, it can't. And

874
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: I've said before that what God is unleashed, man cannot stop.

875
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: Like the trains left the station, good luck stopping it.

876
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: You can harass it, you can try and throw sticks

877
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: and stones in its tracks, but it's just going to

878
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: roll right over them. And so God's doing a great

879
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: work here. And I think we need to have faith

880
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: and let the process play out too, by the way,

881
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: with the political commentators and the noise and the debates, like,

882
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: let it play out like something. It might just be

883
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: happening underneath the surface, and we need to let that.

884
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: We need to trust the Lord that he knows the

885
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: next steps. But Mike get in here.

886
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

887
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 10: I also think it's.

888
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 11: Really exciting though, and I keep saying this over and

889
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 11: over again, but because I mean it, And it's so

890
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 11: powerful that Charlie literally got murdered for speaking truth and

891
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 11: using his free speech, free speech that oftentimes the left

892
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 11: hated and then killed him for. And you would think

893
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 11: that when somebody is murdered for using their free speech,

894
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 11: it would make others kind of pause and say, maybe

895
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 11: I don't want to do that because I too could

896
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 11: get killed. But like here at Anfest, it's been so

897
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 11: encouraging for me and for all of us to see

898
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 11: record breaking numbers of how many people are here for

899
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 11: the first time, eighty percent of which this is the

900
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 11: first t POS event ever. But then these students that

901
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 11: are like fired up, and it's like the me next

902
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 11: and mentality like I'll be the next one, Like put

903
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 11: me on the stand, like I'm ready to go, because

904
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 11: courage is contagious, and like when you see that fires

905
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 11: you up for truth. And I think that the enemy

906
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 11: wants us to think that the revival was hijacked or over,

907
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 11: but in reality it's it's playing out in different ways

908
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 11: that we don't even see behind the scenes.

909
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 8: I mean last week.

910
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 11: Andrew, we were like down bad, we were down badged yeah,

911
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 11: and then being here this week it's like just so encouraging.

912
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: I super honest about it that on Thursday morning, when

913
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: I was getting ready to come down here, I was

914
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: I was not looking forward to it. I was like,

915
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: just have to get through this and then I'm gonna

916
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: be then I can go be with my family and

917
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: watch them Christmas movies. That's like what I want to

918
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: do right. Honestly, it's been a long year. This month,

919
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: Charlie would say, Charlie would always say, it's been a today,

920
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: it's been a long week, you know, so uh but anyways,

921
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: so but then when I got here and instantly felt

922
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: it was it was kind of like when we were

923
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: at the memorial and you step in there and it

924
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: was just like boom, yeah, feel it. And that comes

925
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 2: from all of you, guys. And I've been writing high

926
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: ever since. Honestly, this has been the most life giving

927
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: couple of days and that that I have experienced in

928
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: a while. And so I'm completely encouraged. And I believe

929
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: that the reach in the ripple effects of Charter, Charlie's

930
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: martyrdom and is the assassination, we are so far reaching

931
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: and so unquantifiable that we're really on this side of

932
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: attorney eternity, never really going to understand the reach and

933
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 2: the impact that Charlie has really had. And by the way,

934
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: people like you stepping into that shadow, which is my

935
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: next question, stepping out, but from behind that shadow, I

936
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: should say, uh, you told me, you know, feel free.

937
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: This is not this is don't worry, this is not

938
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: a livestream like that. I'm just you told me that

939
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: you had an initial reaction after Charlie was assassinated and

940
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: then you you transitioned to let's just say a more

941
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: bold reaction. Yeah, what was your first reaction? And then

942
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: what changed in you?

943
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, my initial reaction. So I got a text from

944
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 12: my publicist. I was on my way to a doctor's appointment,

945
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 12: and she said, I just heard that Charlie Kirk has

946
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 12: been shot on college campus. And I was like, that's

947
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 12: not true. That is just she heard that through someone

948
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 12: and that's not true. But even if that is true,

949
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 12: godh she got shot in the arm and that'll be terrible,

950
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 12: but you know, it'll be okay, he'll be fine. It

951
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 12: just my mind couldn't even go to that spot. But

952
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 12: then I called one of our mutual friends, who was

953
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 12: crying understandably on the other side, and he said, it

954
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 12: is true.

955
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 7: I went through all the things that you've heard a lot.

956
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 7: He might make it.

957
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 12: And then got a text saying he didn't make it.

958
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 12: And my first reaction was like, I'm done. I'm not

959
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 12: doing this anymore. It's not worth it. I thought we

960
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 12: were in a battle of ideas and we're not. We're

961
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 12: bringing ideas and they're bringing bullets. This is not a

962
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 12: war of words, like this is a hot war they've

963
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 12: declared war on us. And then I talked to my dad.

964
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 12: My dad, I talk to him every day and he's

965
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 12: a wealth wisdom for me. But he said, you know,

966
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 12: when all of this clears and like the emotions kind

967
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 12: of settled down, you do have to ask yourself, what

968
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 12: would Charlie say to you?

969
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 7: Like, what would he say to you?

970
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 12: And I'm like, I know what he would say. What

971
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 12: he would say to any of us in the movement,

972
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 12: And all of us are so blessed with like different

973
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 12: encouraging texts that he would send to so many people

974
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 12: over the years.

975
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 7: And one of them I got.

976
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 12: I had this negative article written about me in the Atlantic,

977
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 12: and I was all anxious about it. But of course

978
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 12: Charlie texted me and he said, huge honor, keep slugging.

979
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 12: And my audience has heard me tell this story. And

980
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 12: so now like whenever they can tell I'm feeling discouraged,

981
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 12: they just say, keep slugging, keeps slugging, keeps slugging. It's

982
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 12: almost become a motto like that. And now that's how

983
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 12: I feel. Now, I'm like, okay, Like he didn't die

984
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 12: for nothing, like he he would say to all of us,

985
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 12: keeps ug I mean, do not back down. This is

986
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 12: actually the very last thing you should do well.

987
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny because a lot of people

988
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: have their their charlieisms, you know, like Steve Dais's go max,

989
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: you know, or go hard. But you know it is true.

990
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean this, I think this is like hard for

991
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: some people to probably hear. But like the night that

992
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: Charlie was assassinated, there was a few of us in

993
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: the hotel in Salt Lake City and we're sitting there,

994
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: you know, stun silence, and somebody just kind of had

995
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: to like break the silence because you know, what do

996
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: you say in this moment. Somebody's like, you know, Charlie'd

997
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: be really upset that we're not streaming right now. And

998
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, probably true, It's probably true. Yeah,

999
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: I mean, and you know, obviously that wasn't the expectation,

1000
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: and it was a joke, but it was It was

1001
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: a kind of a hat tip to the way Charlie

1002
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 2: was wired. And the way Charlie was wired, he would

1003
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: run right into the story, he would run right into

1004
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: the battle that was in front of you, and he

1005
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: just had this endless energy. And so when we ended

1006
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: up doing this stream on Friday that I guess got

1007
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: seen over thirty five million times or something insane. We

1008
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: knew we had to do that because it had to

1009
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: be us that honored Charlie, that like spoke up for

1010
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: him in that moment.

1011
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Relentless and spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

1012
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: But it was a kind of a hat tip to

1013
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: the way Charlie was wired. And the way Charlie was wired,

1014
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: he would run right into the story, he would run

1015
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: right into the battle that was in front of you,

1016
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: and he just had this endless energy. And so when

1017
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: we ended up doing this on Friday that I guess

1018
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: got seen over thirty five million times or something insane,

1019
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: we knew we had to do that because it had

1020
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: to be us that honored Charlie, that like spoke up

1021
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: for him in that moment. And and you have done

1022
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: that as well. You had this moment where you know

1023
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: Charlie was giving you encouragement about your jubilee debate, and

1024
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: that happened right after right, yep, it.

1025
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 12: Was two weeks after he died. It was the day

1026
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 12: before the memorial.

1027
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: Right, and you struggled with whether or not you should

1028
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: keep that commitment.

1029
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean the last place I wanted to be

1030
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 12: was surrounded by a circle of liberals.

1031
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 7: And that moment.

1032
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 12: Just to be honest, we had a lot of security

1033
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 12: conversations before walking into this, but honestly, yes, like Charlie's

1034
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 12: wisdom was so vital. Holy Spirit was present one hundred percent.

1035
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 12: But also to the credit of my opponents. They were

1036
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 12: twenty liberal Christians and one Christian Conservative, and I got

1037
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 12: to make four claims and defend those claims, and all

1038
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 12: twenty of them came up and tried to deconstruct it.

1039
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 7: But and so I was nervous, and but the oh,

1040
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 7: thank you, thank you.

1041
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 12: But the first guy came up to me, this like

1042
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 12: flamboyant gay man, and he came up to me. And

1043
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 12: it's so tense in there. I don't know if they

1044
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 12: tell the cast not to smile. No one is smiling.

1045
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 7: It is hot. They don't have any air conditioning.

1046
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 12: They stop every thirty seconds to turn fancy.

1047
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 11: It's holie.

1048
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: It's so brutally hot.

1049
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 12: It is so hot, and it's like and I watched

1050
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 12: Charlie's before and they were so mean to Charlie.

1051
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 7: I was expecting that, and so this.

1052
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 12: Guy, he sits down, and Charlie told me, he said,

1053
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 12: ask them all their name because it throws them off,

1054
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 12: and so I did. But then he stopped and he said,

1055
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 12: I am so sorry about your friend Charlie, and that

1056
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 12: just I can't take credit for that. Like that completely

1057
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 12: melted the tension. They didn't actually show that in the

1058
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 12: final cut of the debate, but three or four of

1059
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 12: them stopped and said, I'm so sorry about Charlie. And honestly,

1060
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 12: like even in death, Charlie kind of made The first

1061
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 12: guy came up to me, this like flamboyant gay man

1062
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 12: and he came up to me. And it's so tense

1063
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 12: in there. I don't know if they tell the cast

1064
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 12: not to smile. No one is smiling. It is hot.

1065
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 7: They don't have any air conditioning.

1066
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 12: They stop every thirty seconds to turn fancy holie.

1067
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: It's bally hot.

1068
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 12: It is so hot, and it's like and I watched

1069
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 12: Charlie's before and they were so mean to Charlie.

1070
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 7: I was expecting that.

1071
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 12: And so this guy he sits down, and Charlie told me,

1072
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 12: he said, ask them all their name because it throws

1073
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 12: them off, and so I did. But then he stopped

1074
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 12: and he said I am so sorry about your friend Charlie,

1075
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 12: and that just I can't take credit for that. Like

1076
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 12: that completely melted the tension. They didn't actually show that

1077
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 12: in the final cut of the debate, but three or

1078
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 12: four of them stopped and said, I'm so sorry about Charlie,

1079
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 12: and honestly, like even in death, Charlie kind of made

1080
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 12: peace in that situation that could have been really contentious.

1081
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 12: The tension kind of melted away.

1082
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: I know, the tension of that room. Yeah it was hot.

1083
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 7: Too, Yeah it is.

1084
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: Which Mikey just walking around the hood, Yeah exactly, Well.

1085
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 12: You look like you're from the hood.

1086
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah you do, Charlie that one. He's like, yeah, I'm

1087
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: just on the street all the time. Yeah, did you

1088
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: have a question?

1089
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 11: No, I just I mean you you opened up kind

1090
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 11: of talking about how we were going to watch this

1091
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 11: play out. But I think it's really interesting to see

1092
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 11: all the different personalities that.

1093
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 2: Are speaking at Amfest. And Erica said it.

1094
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 12: The other personalities, I haven't noticed that acting like this

1095
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 12: is the first time we've ever had like.

1096
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 11: Disagreement, shade being thrown from stage.

1097
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: No, never, not an amphest.

1098
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 11: But Erica came out yesterday and she was like, you know,

1099
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 11: you can say a lot about Amfest, you.

1100
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: Can't say it is it is boring.

1101
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 11: And she was like, it's like it's like Thanksgiving dinner

1102
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 11: with the family members, you know.

1103
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 2: Working out the family business.

1104
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 11: We're working out the family business. But I do want

1105
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 11: to kind of talk about Tucker said his speech. He said,

1106
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 11: if my brother goes on a drug related murder spree,

1107
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 11: I will not denounce him, and that I was like

1108
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 11: thinking about that all night last night and then again

1109
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 11: this morning, because I love my family and I'm super

1110
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 11: close with my family, but then I'm also very invested

1111
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 11: in my morality and my values. And I was like, oh, Ali,

1112
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 11: Stucky's coming. I'll just ask her which she thinks about it.

1113
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 11: Would you denounce me if I went on a drug

1114
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 11: related murder spree?

1115
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 12: You know what, I would denounce you for a lot

1116
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 12: less than that. So definitely, at that point, we're denouncing

1117
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 12: my keys.

1118
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: So you're saying there's standards.

1119
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 12: There are standards, Okay, So I guess we could get

1120
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 12: into the semantics of what do you mean by denounce.

1121
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 12: Of course, you still love someone in your life, like

1122
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 12: if your spouse, especially the person that you're one person with,

1123
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 12: like it would take a lot for you to publicly

1124
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 12: condemn them, but you would, like you, you would still

1125
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 12: love them and want what's best for them and all

1126
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 12: of that.

1127
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 7: But you also want justice and you want truth.

1128
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 12: Just because we, you know, we subscribe to something that

1129
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 12: is higher than interpersonal loyalty, and that is loyalty to

1130
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 12: the Word of God, even when.

1131
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 7: It's really difficult. So, yeah, I thought that was strange.

1132
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 12: I don't think I can get on board with that.

1133
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 12: Hopefully his brother doesn't do that.

1134
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope nobody. Because we don't recommend drug related

1135
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: murder spreeces. We don't that need to be said disavowed.

1136
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 7: I wasn't sure where you stood on that.

1137
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: You know, people are asking questions. So so but when

1138
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: we when we when we when we talk about these

1139
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: disagreements within the movement, though, let's let's keep them more

1140
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: within Okay, not murder, but with you know, foreign policy,

1141
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: disagreements about Israel, disagreements about H one B's, disagreements about

1142
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: all of those cares, healthcare. What do you how do

1143
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: you navigate these issues? You know, Charlie was a big

1144
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: proponent of something you know that we call prudence, and

1145
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,479
Speaker 2: so how do you prudently choose to navigate the most

1146
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: contentious issues of the conservative movement of our day.

1147
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good question.

1148
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 12: You know, I don't really talk that much about foreign policy,

1149
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 12: but if you listen to some of my critics, I

1150
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 12: am like the biggest Israel stand out.

1151
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 7: There, Like it really doesn't matter what you say.

1152
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 12: Sometimes to some of these critics, they will say that,

1153
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 12: you know, they'll just put they'll project what they think

1154
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 12: about you onto you, no matter what you say.

1155
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 7: So you have to just ignore that.

1156
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 12: Okay, that's part of prudence, and I'm sure that Charlie

1157
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 12: was really good at that of ignoring the people that

1158
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 12: are going to say what they're going to say, no

1159
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 12: matter what the truth is. And my only question is

1160
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 12: what is true, what's factually true, but most importantly, what's

1161
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 12: biblically true? And if I really don't know the answer

1162
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 12: to that, then I don't always wait into those waters.

1163
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 12: And if I don't think it's a salvation issue, if

1164
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 12: I don't think it's an existential issue, then I'm going

1165
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 12: to do my best, like I did an episode, for example,

1166
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 12: when Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz had their battle over Israel,

1167
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 12: and I just kind of navigated that. Here's what I

1168
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 12: think the Bible says about Israel, Here's what I think

1169
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 12: as a Christian, And here's what I think our obligation is.

1170
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 12: And you know, it kind of pleased no one, but

1171
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 12: that's okay, And I don't have to pretend.

1172
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 7: Here's what I never do.

1173
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 12: I never pretend that I'm an expert on something that

1174
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 12: I'm not an expert on. But if I know how

1175
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 12: to navigate something, if I feel like the Word of

1176
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 12: God is clear on something, then I'm going to go

1177
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 12: all in.

1178
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 7: Here's what I never do.

1179
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 12: I never pretend that I'm an expert on something that

1180
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 12: I'm not an expert on. But if I know how

1181
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 12: to navigate something, if I feel like the Word of

1182
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 12: God is clear on something, then I'm going to go

1183
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 12: all in. Because Charlie and I we are last conversation

1184
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 12: on the podcast was about.

1185
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 7: He loved to talk about woke pastors. That was like

1186
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 7: his favorite thing to ask me. It was about woke pastors.

1187
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: He had a special place for them and.

1188
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 12: In his content, Yes, and we talked about this concept

1189
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 12: of pastors thinking that they're nicer than God, just believing

1190
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 12: that they know better than God. That they're wiser than God,

1191
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 12: that they're more compassionate than God. And he was like,

1192
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 12: that has to be the title of your next book.

1193
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 12: I'm good at this kind of thing that needs to

1194
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 12: be the which is probably true. But the truth is

1195
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 12: is that the most loving thing that we can do

1196
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 12: in all things is agree with God. And if I

1197
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 12: can find a way to agree with God when it

1198
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 12: comes to my politics or my cultural view, certainly my theology,

1199
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 12: then I'm going to do that as loudly as I

1200
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 12: can and try to help other people do that too.

1201
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the politics of it all,

1202
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: and I know that you tend to be faith forward,

1203
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: politics downstream of your faith, which is I think the

1204
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: proper order. But we're talking about the politics of it all,

1205
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: the coalition building of it all, the Trump and JD

1206
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 2: vance of it all. Does this sort of fight that

1207
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: we're seeing play out in a public way of this

1208
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: family business because it's different, right. We all know that,

1209
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: like you know, trans and kids is bad. Right, we

1210
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,959
Speaker 2: all know that, like these ones are the easy ones,

1211
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: it gets harder when it's when you're sort of so

1212
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: called shooting inside the tent. So what do you make

1213
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: of that? Do you think this is healthy for the movement.

1214
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: Do you think this is just a sign of a

1215
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: healthy immune system and the antibodies fight. Do you think

1216
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: this is where? Do you think this is a sign

1217
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: of a lack of health. Do you think this is dysfunction?

1218
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 12: You know what, it's hard to say exactly what my

1219
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 12: rule is and waiting into these conflicts so we can

1220
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 12: just say, like when it comes to the Ben and

1221
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 12: Meghan disagreement, like I'm not probably going to wait in

1222
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,959
Speaker 12: and say, well, like I'm on this side.

1223
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 7: I'm on this side.

1224
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 12: Both of these people are my friends, and I don't

1225
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 12: see something within that disagreement that I'm like, Ali Stucky

1226
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 12: has to speak up on that or else she's a coward.

1227
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 12: Now I might if it comes to that or if

1228
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 12: things evolve, But when it came to this, is members

1229
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 12: only right. Like when it came to the Candice thing,

1230
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 12: I you know, put that off for a while for

1231
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 12: a lot of different reasons.

1232
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 7: I didn't want to say anything. But then she started talking.

1233
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 12: About Mikey and that really bothered me. But then she

1234
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 12: also started speaking about things that I had personal knowledge about,

1235
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 12: like how turning point events work and things like that,

1236
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 12: and I felt an obligation to my audience, who was

1237
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 12: constantly asking me what do you think about this? A

1238
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 12: lot of them watch her and love her, of course

1239
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 12: she's super entertaining and popular, but they're like.

1240
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 7: What do you think about this?

1241
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 6: Well?

1242
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 7: Can you give me some clarity on this?

1243
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 12: And I've always had clear already is kindness. And if

1244
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 12: I am purposely not offering clarity where I know my

1245
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 12: audience needs it, then I am probably being cowardly, which

1246
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 12: is why I ended up trying to speak up about that.

1247
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 12: So I guess it's case.

1248
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 2: By case trying.

1249
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 12: I think you succeeded in speaking of Well, I you know,

1250
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 12: I said what I said, and I totally stand by it.

1251
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 7: I totally stand by it.

1252
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 12: And yeah, yeah, in u windo is non investigation, and

1253
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 12: that's where I stand.

1254
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I should have I shouldn't have interrupted you.

1255
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: In uendo is not investigation. Yeah, And I think it's

1256
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: an instance where, you know, I said this to somebody

1257
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: just moments ago that what I actually think is happening

1258
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: in the movement is two parallel tracks. I think there's

1259
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: an idea lot ideological debate that's unfolding, but I also

1260
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 2: think it's you know, you have to understand how we

1261
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: got to this moment where we had media that was

1262
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: contained for so long in this country inside the legacy box, right,

1263
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: you know, we had CNN, abcm CCBs and then eventually

1264
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: Fox and that was kind of it, right, and then

1265
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: it exploded out of that. We have independent creators. We

1266
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: have independent minded YouTubers and streamers and podcasters, and they

1267
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: are getting a bigger and bigger, bigger chunk of the pie.

1268
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: But it's sort of the wild West. Still. There's no

1269
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: established rules, Right, Washington Post has to publish its editorial

1270
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: controls and the standards and ethics that it's going to well,

1271
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: you know it's going to abide by, right, and same

1272
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: with New York Times, same with Fox News. In the

1273
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: world of online content creation, there are no standards or ethics,

1274
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: and you've seen sort of the platforms try and impose those.

1275
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: There was a massive backlash against censorship, against hate speech,

1276
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: whatever that is. And so what you're actually having is

1277
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: this debate is raging because there's not an agreement about

1278
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: how to responsibly create content online, especially when your when

1279
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 2: your platforms become huge, right, And there's certain people that

1280
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: think you need to apply certain standards and ethics to

1281
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: facts an innuendo, and there's certain people that think, well,

1282
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: we're you know, it's all kind of free game. So

1283
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: that I think is actually the thing that needs to settle.

1284
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: That is the sifting that is also happening underneath what

1285
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: you think is this debate against he said, she said,

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Speaker 2: or I'm friends with this person. So I'm going it's

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Speaker 2: actually deeper than that, and it's a more structural problem

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Speaker 2: in my opinion. I don't know if you agree with

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Speaker 2: that or.

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Speaker 12: Not, but yeah, I think those are really good point.

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Speaker 12: I think the issue that we have on the left

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Speaker 12: and the right and now the right is that our

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Speaker 12: disagreements have become very fundamental. We're asking questions like what

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Speaker 12: is an American, which I think is a really good

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Speaker 12: thing to debate. We have to define our terms, but

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Speaker 12: we're also debating like what is truth?

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Speaker 7: What is truth?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 12: How do we seek truth? What counts is truth? And

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Speaker 12: it looks like we've got different definitions, not only on

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Speaker 12: the right and the left, but even within what is

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Speaker 12: considered the right. And I do think the only way

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Speaker 12: is to hammer that out.

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Speaker 7: And hash that out. But it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 7: how that shapes up.

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Speaker 11: Do you want to do some CUNA or do you

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Speaker 11: have a question? No, no, no, you guys, you said

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Speaker 11: it great. I would just also add, I mean under

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Speaker 11: the Biden administration kind of unified under you know, if

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Speaker 11: you would trip, you know, we would all go on

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Speaker 11: social media and talk about it at length. But I

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Speaker 11: think now we've kind of been broken into like three factions.

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Speaker 11: Is you have the administration who's really focused on just

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Speaker 11: everything they're doing in the government, foreign policy and everybody

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Speaker 11: who's really hyper analyzing that. And then you have the

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Speaker 11: greater populist movement on the right who's still debating these ideas.

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Speaker 11: And then you have to also remember that the audience

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Speaker 11: who likes to ask questions is these are people like

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Speaker 11: even me, you know, who came out of California during

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Speaker 11: you know, the COVID lockdowns. My dad was going to

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Speaker 11: be arrested for opening his church. These people I've been

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Speaker 11: lied to about the election, they've been lied to about COVID,

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Speaker 11: and so they are looking for somebody to ask questions

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Speaker 11: about everything. Yeah, and so there's an audience for that

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Speaker 11: as well. So there's we're all separated right now. Because

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Speaker 11: we're all separated, there's tons of infighting because we don't

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Speaker 11: have a unified enemy right now, and so right now

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Speaker 11: we're just kind of focusing on each other instead of

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Speaker 11: focusing on a unified enemy.

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Speaker 2: Yep, governing's hard. Yeah, clap for that. I totally agree.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, very wise.

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Speaker 2: The you know, the hope is that when we get

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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty six and especially in twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: a lot of these the infighting, hopefully we'll you know,

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Speaker 2: fade away because you know, we're going to be having

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Speaker 2: to defeat AOC nominee or Jazmine Crockett or Yeah, that'll.

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Speaker 12: Content that will come because I mean it's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Be I mean, that will be a crystallizing moment for everybody,

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Speaker 2: very clarifying moment for everybody. Let's do some Q and

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Speaker 2: A for ali. Emma's got the mic.

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Speaker 13: Hi.

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Speaker 14: My name is Amanda. I have listened to Rush since

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01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 14: I was in the womb, and I once rushed past

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Speaker 14: I didn't have a home found the Charlie kirkshow So,

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Speaker 14: thank you guys for continuing. I really appreciate it. My question,

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Speaker 14: I'm a nurse and a mom and I'm just sitting

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Speaker 14: here watching you guys, and I worry about you. Guys

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Speaker 14: as peace. How can I be praying for you all?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's very sweet.

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Speaker 12: Well, thank you so much, and just thank you for

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 12: being a light in a dark world. The medical system, unfortunately,

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01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 12: you know, isn't always.

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Speaker 7: The brightest place, So thank you for doing what you do.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 7: You know, I can't speak for everyone.

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Speaker 12: But pray, yes, of course, for protection and things like that.

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Speaker 12: We're always praying for that, but also just pray for

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01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 12: courage to do the next right thing. That's all any

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Speaker 12: of us are ever trying to do. Do the next

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Speaker 12: right thing in faith, with excellence and for the glory

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Speaker 12: of God. That's the model that I try to live by,

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Speaker 12: and sometimes that takes courage. There's not a lot of

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Speaker 12: courage and being complacent and going with the flow. But

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Speaker 12: all of us in this droom have decided that going

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Speaker 12: with the flow got us to a really bad place,

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Speaker 12: and swimming upstream can be hard.

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Speaker 7: So pray for.

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Speaker 12: Courage, not only for us, but for people like you too,

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Speaker 12: because we.

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Speaker 7: Have a job to.

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Speaker 12: Say the things that we say and do the things

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Speaker 12: that we do that are considered controversial. You could lose

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Speaker 12: your job for doing that. So really my respect goes

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Speaker 12: to you for the sacrifices you make for the truth.

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Speaker 7: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, you guys doing Hi.

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Speaker 15: My name is I and I'm from North Idaho, and uh,

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Speaker 15: I just want you to kind of elaborate more on

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Speaker 15: how we don't have a common enemy when Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 15: was shot by a leftist, trans loving person, Like, how

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Speaker 15: is that not a common enemy right now? When they

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Speaker 15: literally shot him for talking?

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Speaker 12: Oh, I didn't say that we don't have I know, I'm.

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Speaker 15: Saying that, how can we elaborate on that? Like, how

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Speaker 15: we don't have a common enemy? I guess is what

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Speaker 15: I was hoping to find.

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Speaker 12: On Oh, are you saying that some people are asserting

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Speaker 12: that or you believe that we don't.

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Speaker 2: Have a common I believe we have a common enemy.

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Speaker 15: And it's like, yes, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think we were all saying we have a common enemy.

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Speaker 2: It's about how we're getting distracted by the things we

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Speaker 2: disagree about amongst the coalition on the right, the larger coalition,

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Speaker 2: and so it's not it's doesn't feel maybe as prominent

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Speaker 2: to some people because all I guess what, all the clickbait,

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Speaker 2: all the stuff that people are clicking on and posting

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Speaker 2: about is like infighting so it just doesn't it's just

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Speaker 2: not as prominent. But when when I think when the

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Speaker 2: calendar of the election comes into more focus for people,

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Speaker 2: that will probably be a clarifying moment. It will refocus

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01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: people that are currently distracted. I'm not distracted. We're not distracted. Yeah, yeah, guys,

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Speaker 2: aren't distracted. No no, no, no, no no no. We're mission mission

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: mission around here. Like we do. We do our level

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Speaker 2: best to stay focused on the mission at hand, and

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Speaker 2: that's midterms, midterms, midterms, no transing our kids, mass migration.

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Speaker 12: Well, let me just encourage you just for a second,

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Speaker 12: because I know that the distractions in the division is demoralizing.

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Speaker 7: But I like to use this analogy. On the left,

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Speaker 7: when your.

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Speaker 12: Goal is just destruction, you don't have to agree on

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01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 12: the tools that you use. Anyone can pick up a hammer,

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01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 12: a mallet, it doesn't matter. As long as you're destroying.

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Speaker 7: You can all do it.

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Speaker 12: You don't have to agree. But on the right, we're

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Speaker 12: trying to build something. And when you're trying to build something,

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 12: you have to agree on the found foundation, the materials

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 12: and the tools you use, who's using it and when

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Speaker 12: and where that takes work. And sometimes it takes these

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 12: clarifying moments for us to say, hang on, who are

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 12: we and what are we doing? What is our common enemy?

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 12: That's the moment that we're in right now because we

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Speaker 12: lost our main coalition builder and the guy that was

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01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 12: holding us together and somehow holding back the crazy, all

1424
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 12: the crazies, it's come out, and so we're just having

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Speaker 12: a redefining moment so that we can win the midterms

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Speaker 12: and twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hi, elihaw goes. My name's Jonathan.

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Speaker 10: I'm actually working on getting on different podcasts that I

1429
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,520
Speaker 10: really want to give a lesson on opposing.

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Speaker 3: Abortion and what a godly marriage is like, Okay, just

1431
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 3: to enter your email and see if you'd like that.

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Speaker 7: And you know what I have.

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Speaker 12: My my assistant is somewhere over here. If you have

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Speaker 12: a card or something, if you can, if you can

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Speaker 12: give I probably won't, but someone else can information I

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Speaker 12: do too, Yeah the.

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Speaker 2: Hut, Yeah, yeah, No.

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Speaker 12: I really any pro life voice that we can get

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Speaker 12: I appreciate so much.

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Speaker 13: So I have a question because after Charlie Kirk had died,

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 13: I feel one of two ways a lot of us

1442
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 13: wanted to speak out, and a lot of us wanted

1443
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Speaker 13: to hide. I'm caught in the middle where it's I

1444
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 13: want to speak out, but there's also fear. So my

1445
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 13: question for you is how do you get rid of

1446
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 13: that fear of wanting to speak out and like just

1447
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 13: like push forward through it? Because like I'm really, I

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01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 13: really try to fight people pleasing, but I can find

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01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 13: myself in it where it's like not that I'll say

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01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 13: what people want to hear, but I'll just keep my

1451
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Speaker 13: thoughts to myself because I'm just like, oh, well that

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Speaker 13: I know that'll like off.

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Speaker 5: Basically, And so.

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Speaker 1: The hardest working radio show in the business, the Charlie kirkshow.

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Speaker 13: So I have a question because after Charlie Kirk had died,

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 13: I feel one of two ways. A lot of us

1457
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 13: wanted to speak out and a lot of us wanted

1458
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 13: to hide. I'm caught in the middle where it's I

1459
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 13: want to speak out, but there's also fear. So my

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Speaker 13: question for you is how do you get rid of

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Speaker 13: that fear of wanting to speak out and like just

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Speaker 13: like push forward through it, because like I'm really, I

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Speaker 13: really try to fight people pleasing, but I can find

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Speaker 13: myself in it where it's like not that I'll say

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Speaker 13: what people want to hear. But I'll just keep my

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Speaker 13: thoughts to myself because I'm just like, oh, well that

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Speaker 13: I know that'll like piss them off basically, and so

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Speaker 13: like I'll try to like either put it out or

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Speaker 13: just like put it brush it under the rug. But

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Speaker 13: I really want to, Like with Charlie dying, like it

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Speaker 13: was very encouraging for me because it was like he

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Speaker 13: did for my generation what a lot of people wouldn't

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Speaker 13: have done, and he put his life literally on the

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Speaker 13: line for our generation, and it's just encouraging that like

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Speaker 13: he did that for us, and so I want to

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Speaker 13: step up like he did and finally start speaking out

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Speaker 13: about things. Especially it's scary because I live in Illinois,

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Speaker 13: so like it's very blue, and when you speak out

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Speaker 13: about politics, you're hated for it because Chicago is not

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Speaker 13: a safe place. I worked for public safety on my

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Speaker 13: campus and so I've heard what goes on in the

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Speaker 13: city and even in like on the news, you just

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Speaker 13: see all of the horror that is caused by that.

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Speaker 13: And so just kind of, yeah, what's your advice for

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Speaker 13: like pushing past that?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, would y'all say that Charlie got more courageous over

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Speaker 12: the last five years, Oh yeah, and how would you

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Speaker 12: say that he became more courageous.

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Speaker 11: I think part of it was getting married and then

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Speaker 11: also having kids. Yeah yeah, and he realized that he

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Speaker 11: had something bigger to defend than just himself.

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Speaker 12: I don't beat yourself up about struggling with fear and

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Speaker 12: people pleasing. That is part of being human, but it

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 12: is something to fight against. We don't want to live

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Speaker 12: in a world or lead a life in which people

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Speaker 12: are begging. God is small and people's opinion of us

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Speaker 12: loom large world. God's opinion is really a lot smaller

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Speaker 12: to us, and so it takes practice.

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Speaker 7: That's the thing.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if Charlie would say the same thing,

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01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 12: but people ask me, are you nervous when you do X,

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01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 12: Y Z, Well, not as much anymore. And it's not

1503
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 12: because of some like magic or anything. It's because I

1504
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 12: practiced it. But you have to practice courage, and that

1505
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 12: means taking a risk. That means saying the thing even

1506
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 12: when you don't really know what to say, and it's

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 12: not perfect. So courage takes practice. But courage is also contagious.

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01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 12: So when you step out and courage, other people do too.

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 12: And then it makes it less scary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, the verse, the number one

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01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: verse that people have sent me. I don't know if

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01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: I said this earlier, but it's worth saying.

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 7: Is just saying hi to the photographer?

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: Did is Joshua one nine? Yeah, be strong and courageous

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: And I have literally hit my knees multiple times since

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01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: Charlie died, and just asking God to give me more

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: courage and give me more wisdom. So it's okay if

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01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 2: it's hard. Yeah, that's what courage is. It has to be.

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01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 2: If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be courage. So yeah.

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01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 11: But also, in like a world that's evil and filled

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 11: with lies, if the world's constantly agreeing with you and

1522
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 11: affirming your behavior, that means you are living a life

1523
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 11: of lies and darkness and evil because it's affirming the

1524
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 11: actions that it desires, affirming the actions of the world

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01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 11: that it's in. So when you actually do what's right

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01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 11: and are a bright light in the dark world and

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01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 11: actually bringing truth to lies, that's not a very popular thing.

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01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean rejoice in your stuff. Yeah, Charlie.

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01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 2: Charlie was a prophet, and what do they do to profits? Yeah,

1530
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's a bitter pill to swallow. But

1531
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 2: Charlie has a really big throne and really big mansion

1532
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: in heaven right now. I gotta believe it. And Charlire's

1533
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 2: that clip where Charlie said, you know, he's called to

1534
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 2: confront the lies with the truth, proclaim the truth, and

1535
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 2: he wanted to be known for courage for his faith.

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 2: So Charlie's a guy that said yes to the Lord

1537
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: and like went all the way.

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01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 16: Next question, Hi, Eli, So I read your book Toxic Empathy,

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Speaker 16: and so one of the things I'm noticing is social

1541
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 16: work as an organization is probably evil at this point

1542
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,440
Speaker 16: where they're all brainwashed.

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Speaker 17: So I was a social work student and I had

1544
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 17: asked Charlie, you know, for some advice, and I heard

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01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 17: many social work students ask him for the same advice.

1546
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 17: And he told me to, you know, stand up, you know,

1547
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 17: tell the truth. And I did that and.

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01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: I was kicked out for it.

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 17: Yeah, and so my, you know, we're fighting the transit,

1550
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 17: the kids movement, we're fighting the universities, but I don't

1551
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 17: see much of fighting the social work because they're in

1552
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 17: their universities, they're in the the police departments and they're

1553
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 17: you know, by themselves dcfs in Illinois, California. I know

1554
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 17: for sure if you don't use your child's pronouns, they

1555
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 17: can take your.

1556
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 2: Kids from you.

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 17: Yeah, And I just don't hear that many people talking

1558
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 17: about social work and how ingrained that this is. And

1559
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 17: so I was wondering, you know, can you guys all

1560
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 17: give it a platform and what we can do to

1561
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 17: fight the organization.

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01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 12: Social workers, teachers, nurses, and therapists attract the best people

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01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 12: in the world and the worst people in the world.

1564
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 12: And it is because it involves vulnerable people. And there

1565
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 12: are two kinds of people that are attracted to the

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 12: vulnerable person, and that's the person that wants to help

1567
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 12: them and the person that wants.

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 7: To hurt them.

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Speaker 12: And so that's what we see in those helping professions.

1570
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 12: And that's not to say that all those progressives that

1571
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 12: go into social work have bad intentions. They don't realize

1572
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 12: they're being demomically led to support the idea of a

1573
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 12: child being born in the wrong body. But you're right,

1574
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 12: we do need to speak up about that. And don't

1575
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 12: think that you're speaking up for the truth was for

1576
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 12: not just because you got kicked doubt You have no

1577
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 12: idea how God used that courage. What seed do you planted?

1578
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 12: Who heard you that initially hated you, but fifty years

1579
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 12: from now, God could use that moment that you're not

1580
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 12: even thinking about anymore and someone else's life when they

1581
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 12: remembered that person stood up for that and he was right.

1582
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 12: God uses those seemingly unseen and unsung moments in eternity,

1583
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 12: and you will only see when you get to the

1584
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 12: other side of glory how that moment of courage where

1585
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 12: you felt like you were risking everything worked into someone

1586
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 12: else's testimony. So don't look at the world's affirmation of

1587
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 12: you as like a meter for your success, right, because

1588
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 12: obviously they crucified Jesus, they stoned see even and the

1589
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 12: world is going to reject us.

1590
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 7: And that is actually a sign that we're doing something right.

1591
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 12: Jesus said, woe to you when all people speak well

1592
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 12: of you, Wow, I'm doing great. Yes, we're all doing

1593
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 12: We're all doing great. Then just remember that we got we.

1594
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 2: Gotta wrap up Alli because she's got places to go

1595
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: and people to see and great things to I'm gonna do.

1596
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 7: Prove me wrong.

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01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 2: You're gonna love that. I can't wait so everybody, Ali, Beth, Stucky,

1598
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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