Speaker 1: Today was all about how they discovered the final victim
Speaker 1: and in his body, that's Kenneth Roden, and it included
Speaker 1: a tense confrontation between Kenneth Roden's son and the man
Speaker 1: on trial and accused of taking part in the murder
Speaker 1: of his father six years ago. You were going over
Speaker 1: there to tell him whatever? Correct? Yeah, we went inside.
Speaker 1: Then that's when we've found out that he was deceased.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about the Wagners. My thoughts about
Speaker 1: the Wadeners. I hope they Yet everything comes. So this
Speaker 1: is the Pikes and Massacre returned to Pike County season four,
Speaker 1: episode five, Morning at the Church. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a
Speaker 1: television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane.
Speaker 1: Stephanie and I are currently in Pike County. All right,
Speaker 1: so here we are, wrote the courthouse in Waverley. The
Speaker 1: courthouse is not as busy as it was when court
Speaker 1: proceedings began. Now it's mostly media and the victim's family members.
Speaker 1: It's important to note that George Wagner, the fourth currently
Speaker 1: on trial, has pleaded not guilty and has maintained he
Speaker 1: did not kill anyone. His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial
Speaker 1: is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to all charges.
Speaker 1: Today's testimony centered around the events leading up to the
Speaker 1: discovery of Kenneth Roden's body. He was found by his cousin,
Speaker 1: Donald Stone, and was the last of the victims to
Speaker 1: be discovered. Here's Donald on the stand. How do you
Speaker 1: know Kenneth Roden's cousin his mother and my father, mother
Speaker 1: and sisters. Some cousins are close some Hart, would you
Speaker 1: consider yourself to have been close to Kenneth? Real? Quote? Okay,
Speaker 1: and tell us about that. Just you know, anytime that
Speaker 1: I was down and out, the man was there to
Speaker 1: help me. Their mother fed me when I was young,
Speaker 1: and they were just helpful people. Donald Stone is understandably
Speaker 1: emotional in the witness chair. How did you learn that
Speaker 1: something had happened up on Union Hill Road? Well, I
Speaker 1: was a herd appointment that morning. I had talked to
Speaker 1: gentlemen while I was there, and he asked me if
Speaker 1: I heard what happened on Union Hill And I got
Speaker 1: word that there were some people meeting at a church.
Speaker 1: So you went to the church on Union Hill Road?
Speaker 1: And who I was there? It's just there is a
Speaker 1: lot of people there, amily, I mean, there is a
Speaker 1: lot of people there. Okay. At what point did you
Speaker 1: learn how many had been killed on Union Hill Road? Actually,
Speaker 1: I hadn't known at the time how many there were.
Speaker 1: For sure. You indicated that you tried to call Kenneth
Speaker 1: at one time, and that was from your home after
Speaker 1: that appointment. Yes, okay. Did you personally ever try to
Speaker 1: call Kenneth hear that? Yes, well, when I tried to
Speaker 1: make the phone calls, I did try to call him once, okay.
Speaker 1: And while you read the church, did there become some
Speaker 1: concerns about Kenneth not responding to phone calls here? Okay?
Speaker 1: And can you tell us did you decide to go
Speaker 1: to Kenneth at some point? Yeah? We was at the
Speaker 1: church and Luke mentioned that he wanted to go to
Speaker 1: his dad's place, and he asked me if I wanted
Speaker 1: to go, and we went. Here's Stephanie and I speaking
Speaker 1: about the testimony thus far. It's pretty powerful to be there.
Speaker 1: I also didn't realize that Donald Stone was not alone
Speaker 1: when he discovered Kenneth's body. I didn't realize Kenneth's son,
Speaker 1: Luke was also present. I didn't know that either. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that either until today. How painful that must
Speaker 1: have been. Next, Antwo Kenepa begins the difficult process of
Speaker 1: walking the cousins through the discovery of Kenneth Rowden's body.
Speaker 1: Here again, Donald Stone, we'll go out there. We got Alacor.
Speaker 1: We walked up to the door, me and Luke, and
Speaker 1: once we got to the door, I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: this is your dad's place. You need to go in. First.
Speaker 1: We walked into the supposedly the living room, and I
Speaker 1: noticed to the right, I didn't see him in there nowhere,
Speaker 1: So I've seen a stairway to the right, and I
Speaker 1: walked up the stairway and it was found him with
Speaker 1: and he's a bid And when you say you found
Speaker 1: to him, can you tell us what condition you found
Speaker 1: him in? Yeah? But resides and where was he located?
Speaker 1: And mad he's dead? Was it just you that walked
Speaker 1: up those stairs and saw Kenneth. Yes, it was significant,
Speaker 1: just being in the courtroom and being close to family members.
Speaker 1: Kenneth Rowden is one of the victims that we really
Speaker 1: have known the least about. We know that he's a father,
Speaker 1: we know that he lived by himself and that he
Speaker 1: was extremely close with Chris Senior. Seeing these crime scene photos,
Speaker 1: it was pretty excruciating. I believe what struck me so
Speaker 1: much in the courtroom is it's cliche, but how very
Speaker 1: different it is seeing these actual photos versus anything you
Speaker 1: see when you watch TV or a movie. Just the
Speaker 1: stark lack of life and these photos was so impactful
Speaker 1: and felt so permanent. We were sitting just feet away
Speaker 1: from Kenneth's family members and for them, I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: how excruciating it was for them to have to see that,
Speaker 1: and imagine being Luke, this is his father. He had
Speaker 1: to see his father's body and this was a violent crime.
Speaker 1: So the trauma that they've been through just seeing a
Speaker 1: dead body, let alone of somebody you love so deeply,
Speaker 1: and for them to have to get up there and
Speaker 1: relive it step by step by step, the bravery it took,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would be able to find
Speaker 1: that level of courage. Because Donald Stone identified the body,
Speaker 1: Caneppa had no choice but to have him relive the
Speaker 1: dramatic events through crime scene photos showing you what's been
Speaker 1: marked as D one eighty two. Aback to do you
Speaker 1: recognize that photo. Yes, and can you tell us what
Speaker 1: you recognize that? As he breaks down here and grabs
Speaker 1: more tissues. Caneppa, knowing this is horrible, prefaces each question
Speaker 1: with an apology. Sorry, And is that how you saw
Speaker 1: Kenneth Lyne in his bed and you entered that d
Speaker 1: way two? Mister Stone, can you look at that? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: What do you recognize that as? And is that how
Speaker 1: you saw him on that day? Yes? And you indicated
Speaker 1: ned he had Does that imagine recollection of the blood
Speaker 1: that you saw him? Okay, here's James Pilcher, longtime investigative
Speaker 1: reporter in Cincinnati now with Local twelve. Everybody knows in
Speaker 1: Pike County how these people died. I would say they
Speaker 1: are trying to shock the jury at this point with
Speaker 1: the violence of it, for sure, because they showed the
Speaker 1: pictures of people dead in their beds or on the
Speaker 1: floor time and time and time again. The trial is
Speaker 1: reopening wounds that may have only just begun to heal.
Speaker 1: Traveling with us as investigative journalist Jeff Winkler Woll you'll
Speaker 1: remember previous seasons. It was his article about the Roden
Speaker 1: family that first peaked her interest in the case. He's
Speaker 1: joined us for several trips to Pike County over the years.
Speaker 1: I think that's the weirdest thing is going into the
Speaker 1: courthouse as the trials going and starting for George, and
Speaker 1: the families still there, still grieving, still having the same
Speaker 1: kind of grief and trauma, then seeing the family having
Speaker 1: just basically stuck in time of pain. Can you imagine, though,
Speaker 1: the level of grief and despair even just to have
Speaker 1: to sit there and look at these photos, which I
Speaker 1: might add were pretty graphic, and we've never actually seen
Speaker 1: those before. I think that's what struck me walking in
Speaker 1: there today was just the I mean, it's been six years,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so you've got the core Warners and
Speaker 1: the core folks in the middle of the trauma. Everyone
Speaker 1: else is gone. I thought it was also interesting to
Speaker 1: finally see the matriarch of the Roden family. She's Chris
Speaker 1: Senior's mother and the grandmother therefore of Hannahme Roden, Chris
Speaker 1: Junior Roden, Frankie Rodin, and I believe then her grandson
Speaker 1: would also be Luke. Chris and Kenneth were her sons,
Speaker 1: which yes, would make Luke her grandson. I was so
Speaker 1: sad for her, Geneva Roden, because I looked over at
Speaker 1: one point and there were just some horrific crime scene
Speaker 1: photos being shown. Here's reporter Ajeanette Levy, who was also
Speaker 1: present in the courtroom, and Geneva Roden was consoling her
Speaker 1: daughters who were sobbing. She was sobbing. They were kind
Speaker 1: of consoling one another and just understandably falling apart having
Speaker 1: to see photos of their loved ones murdered and what
Speaker 1: is just an unbelievable amount of blood in some instances. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Kenneth Roden's son Luke had also caught wind of the
Speaker 1: murders on the morning of April twenty second, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Here he is testifying alone came into my bedroom and
Speaker 1: said that I mean to get up and Chris and
Speaker 1: everybody get out there shot up on the hill. Luke
Speaker 1: Rowden is an imposing man with a beard and short
Speaker 1: brown hair. He wears a blue shirt, lucas poised and
Speaker 1: speaks in a very matter of fact manner. As new
Speaker 1: spread around town of the murders, Luke tried to make
Speaker 1: his way to his uncle, Chris Senior's house, but police
Speaker 1: had already cordoned off the road. And then do you
Speaker 1: know how you knew to go to the church someone
Speaker 1: who came on last nute that they all meet. Never,
Speaker 1: it's the church. While you were trying to get through there, right,
Speaker 1: they informed you to go to the church. Right, people
Speaker 1: were gathering at the church. Yeah, Luke Donald Stone his
Speaker 1: father's cousin and best friend at the church. During this time,
Speaker 1: do you make any attempts to contact your father? Yes,
Speaker 1: try to contact about a dozen times. Never seen anything
Speaker 1: back from him. Okay, is that normal? No? Okay? At
Speaker 1: that point do you get concerned? Yes? Here again James Pilcher.
Speaker 1: Both of them talked about the chaos and all of
Speaker 1: the things that were happening when they didn't know where
Speaker 1: Ken was. They couldn't get a touch with them. The
Speaker 1: prosecution even showed a picture of the cell phone that
Speaker 1: Ken would put in his window to try to get
Speaker 1: a perception and he went down to your dad's What
Speaker 1: did you do when you got there? I've seen he's
Speaker 1: try still and driveway so I'll get out. Special Prosecutor
Speaker 1: Angrew Kneppa shows Luke and the jury various exterior photos
Speaker 1: of Kenneth's property. There is an abandoned boat on one
Speaker 1: side of the driveway entrance. Nestled back in the woods
Speaker 1: are two trailers and an outbuilding. It's April, so there
Speaker 1: are no leaves on the trees, but you can imagine
Speaker 1: it's pretty secluded once things are in bloom. Kneppa spends
Speaker 1: nearly thirty minutes dissecting each photo for the jury. Reporter
Speaker 1: James Pilcher noted the level of detail on the part
Speaker 1: of the prosecution. I don't mean this is a criticism
Speaker 1: towards a prosecution, because they gotta do what they gotta do.
Speaker 1: But this is going extremely, extremely slowly. It feels like
Speaker 1: they're trying to kill a natt with a ten pound sledge.
Speaker 1: They're pulling out every single piece of evidence they have
Speaker 1: for every single possible question that could come up. This
Speaker 1: trial has slowed to a nail space. On cross examination,
Speaker 1: the defense questions Luke Roden about a local whose name
Speaker 1: we have heard come up in our investigation Big money.
Speaker 1: Mike can tell us, didn't tell you I've heard his name, book,
Speaker 1: didn't tell you who he is. You've heard his name from? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear about it until everything happened. So I
Speaker 1: can Stephanie and Jeff in Luke Roden's testimony, he made
Speaker 1: it clear that he hadn't heard the name Big Money
Speaker 1: Mike until after the murders and didn't know how it
Speaker 1: related to his family members being murdered. I'm curious where
Speaker 1: the prosecution is leading to because it's come up now twice.
Speaker 1: We started doing our own digging about Big Money Mike,
Speaker 1: and we have to assume that that stands for Michael Moran.
Speaker 1: He is the attorney that has since died that we
Speaker 1: covered pretty extensively in season two, and he had a
Speaker 1: very checkered past. Maybe that's him, but again we don't
Speaker 1: know for sure. This is just another example of the
Speaker 1: prosecution building a narrative that we're not totally sure where
Speaker 1: it will lead until they rest. Andie Canepa asked Luke
Speaker 1: about what happened after he and Donald Stone entered his
Speaker 1: father's home. No, he stamped up in there and looked
Speaker 1: and a ramp path. Mean told we get out like
Speaker 1: he'd been shot. He told you he had been shot,
Speaker 1: he said, but all over his face. When you were
Speaker 1: inside of your dad's home, did you stay pop at all?
Speaker 1: Into his bedroom? I don't believe I stand up doing
Speaker 1: his bedroom. I may stepped on the step right there, maybe,
Speaker 1: but I don't believe I stepped into the bedroom. Okay,
Speaker 1: Were you able to see any part of him from
Speaker 1: where you were? I able to see his leg and
Speaker 1: at the top of his head, and the blank was
Speaker 1: actually placed like he has been placed ony. Okay, there
Speaker 1: was a blanket on him right, Okay? Were you able
Speaker 1: to see his face at that time at all? Now?
Speaker 1: I just see his forehead and his hair. At this point,
Speaker 1: Coulnepa asked Luke about the money that was found on
Speaker 1: Kenneth's body. I seem probably I don't know how much,
Speaker 1: but like a few ones and fives and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: some money, paper money, and his pants was laying there
Speaker 1: beside it. Here's Stephanie and Jeff Winkler. We always sort
Speaker 1: of had heard that he had almost like there was
Speaker 1: money thrown all over his body. It was a rolled
Speaker 1: up dollar bill and some change, That's all. It wasn't
Speaker 1: there wasn't money lying everywhere. We always maybe thought that
Speaker 1: was such an interesting crime scene and very different than
Speaker 1: the others, and maybe that was a way of making
Speaker 1: it look like a hit, or make it look like
Speaker 1: the cartel had done it. It was a good reminder
Speaker 1: that in those first you know, first forty eight hours
Speaker 1: or whatever of just pure speculation, that's hard enough to beat.
Speaker 1: But then those little bits of fantasy, hitch on for
Speaker 1: a rod and don't let go. We're going to take
Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back in a moment. For most
Speaker 1: of the morning, George wag knew the fourth it's motionless
Speaker 1: looking down. This is true, especially during Donald Stone's emotional testimony.
Speaker 1: George Wagner finally makes eye contact when questions turned to
Speaker 1: his family. Luke only had brief interactions with the Wagners
Speaker 1: over the years, but one with Billy stuck out in
Speaker 1: his memory. I was out at his property one time.
Speaker 1: It was the one that pretty far off the grid,
Speaker 1: and my dad and Chris learning the backau for him
Speaker 1: to do something, and backhead went to start, so he
Speaker 1: got a hold of my dad and Chris. They brought
Speaker 1: out some tarps and space heater and all that to
Speaker 1: get the back I warmed up to in order to
Speaker 1: get us started. I was standing there on the trailer
Speaker 1: and he was standing beside me. Looked that he said,
Speaker 1: csp he said, there's some really good people. He said
Speaker 1: that fair had to fuck with him that they had
Speaker 1: to shoot him if they ever had to what mess
Speaker 1: with him, if he had had a tussle with him, whatever,
Speaker 1: that he had had to shoot him. Did he explain
Speaker 1: why that was or did he say anything more? That
Speaker 1: was it, But he was telling you they were really
Speaker 1: great people. Yeah. First. Right at the end of his testimony,
Speaker 1: Luke was asked to point out George by both the
Speaker 1: prosecution and the defense present today. Yes, if so, can
Speaker 1: you point where he is sitting? He described for us
Speaker 1: when he's married right there, the last one there has
Speaker 1: changed appearance was at all? Yes, he has. Wait, wise,
Speaker 1: he was much larger when you last saw him. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: here again, Stephanie. I was struck just by seeing George
Speaker 1: Wagner in person, having never seen him before. In person,
Speaker 1: he was slighter than I imagined him being. He's got good,
Speaker 1: a little ball going on. You know, roots are shined,
Speaker 1: just kind of looks regular, which is not what you
Speaker 1: you know, they're supposed to have some sort of like
Speaker 1: dark glow around them. Right. Media covering the trial immediately
Speaker 1: latched onto the story Luca told about his interaction with
Speaker 1: Billy Wagner, the son of one of the Pike County
Speaker 1: massacre victims testified Billy Wagner's right in the road and
Speaker 1: family four or five years before the actual shootings. Luke
Speaker 1: said that while his dad and uncle were doing a
Speaker 1: good deed for Billy Wagner, Billy told Luke that a
Speaker 1: dust up between the three of them would not end well.
Speaker 1: After kenep as well planned line of questioning of Luke
Speaker 1: rowdon George's defense attorney has very little to add. He
Speaker 1: rests within minutes here again, James Pilcher queerly, they are
Speaker 1: cutting off any opportunity for the defense to ask why
Speaker 1: didn't you ask this? Why didn't you do that? Why
Speaker 1: didn't you this? Now the defense is still trying to
Speaker 1: find its way to do that. The final witness of
Speaker 1: the day straits the prosecution strategy perfectly. Brett Hatfield was
Speaker 1: a friend and co worker of Kenneth Rod's. He opts
Speaker 1: out of media coverage, but we were there to follow
Speaker 1: his testimony. Brett Hatfield worked in Columbus at the same
Speaker 1: company as Kenneth, so the pair very often car pool together. However,
Speaker 1: on the morning of April twenty second, twenty sixteen, they didn't,
Speaker 1: and when Hatfield arrived at Kenneth's home, probably around four
Speaker 1: am the morning of April twenty second. He said there
Speaker 1: were no lights on and that Kenneth's didn't come to
Speaker 1: the door as he normally did. It turns out that
Speaker 1: the day before, Hatfield said that Kenneth had been complaining
Speaker 1: of high blood pressure, a condition that Luke explained sometimes
Speaker 1: made him sick and could cause him to miss work.
Speaker 1: So despite Kenneth's car being in the lot, Hatfield assumed
Speaker 1: that maybe somebody picked him up and took him to
Speaker 1: the hospital. So he just left. James Pilcher, he came in,
Speaker 1: saw Kenneth all the time, So you put him up
Speaker 1: on the sand. They're going incrementally chronologically, and I think
Speaker 1: they're feeling in their way as they go through this trial.
Speaker 1: To let the jury know, we took every step to
Speaker 1: interview everybody we could. Legal analyst Mike Allan, who's speaking
Speaker 1: with Jeff, agrees, it just tells the story here. This
Speaker 1: poor guy, you know, he wants to pick up his
Speaker 1: buddy to drive to Columbus to go to work, but
Speaker 1: he's not there. That's something that's pretty strong and I
Speaker 1: know the prosecution what the jury to hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely paints a picture, and that's what they need
Speaker 1: to do. That's what they're doing. Hours after Hatfield left
Speaker 1: Kenneth Roden's trailer that morning, a member of the road
Speaker 1: and family called to tell him about the murder. Hatfield
Speaker 1: immediately left work in Columbus and returned to Piketon. Here's
Speaker 1: Luke Rowden. Did he arrive at some point? Yes, he did.
Speaker 1: Whenever we were sitting down our way on the cops
Speaker 1: to come and all that he showed up. One was
Speaker 1: full wheeler and just there's like a scammer my dad's
Speaker 1: property behindest trailer and stuff like okay, and do you
Speaker 1: know what he was looking for at the time, cameras,
Speaker 1: see if the camera was still around, to see if
Speaker 1: there was a footage or less. Many of the cameras
Speaker 1: were missing. The prosecution asked him about Kenneth's dog, Brownie
Speaker 1: earlier in the day. Both Luke Rowden and Donald Stone
Speaker 1: testified the dog was inside the trailer when they arrived,
Speaker 1: but Hatfield adds a very telling detail about the dog
Speaker 1: here again Stephanie and Jeff. Interesting about Brownie is that
Speaker 1: Hatfield says the dog would bite anybody, didn't matter who
Speaker 1: you were. Unless you called the dog by name. And
Speaker 1: that's interesting because it was reported that the Wagoners didn't
Speaker 1: have any dog bites on them whatsoever, So why didn't
Speaker 1: Brownie attack so Steph. That says to me that it
Speaker 1: seems pretty likely that whoever was there that night must
Speaker 1: have known the dog by name. And keep in mind
Speaker 1: that we have heard from numerous people that many of
Speaker 1: the Rodent properties had dogs like this on them, so
Speaker 1: that would be indicative that whoever was at all of
Speaker 1: these crime scenes knew all of the dogs. In theory,
Speaker 1: Hatfield added yet another chilling detail to the timeline of
Speaker 1: April twenty, twenty sixteen. He said that when he found
Speaker 1: out about the murders, he tried calling everyone in the
Speaker 1: Rodent family. He even sent a DM to Hannah May
Speaker 1: on social media, who, as we know, was tragically already dead.
Speaker 1: Hatfield said that he never got a response, but he
Speaker 1: did get a notification that the message was read. So
Speaker 1: what does that mean? I would imagine after the murder,
Speaker 1: the killers were probably cleaning up or figuring out what
Speaker 1: to do, and her phone was pinging and to silence
Speaker 1: that maybe they looked at it or opened the text
Speaker 1: message and shut it down. All we know is that
Speaker 1: Hotfield sent a message after she was already murdered, and
Speaker 1: somebody read that message, and it could not have been
Speaker 1: Hannah met Rodin. We know that it's come up that
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner took several phones from the crime scenes and
Speaker 1: allegedly destroyed them the next day. Is this one of
Speaker 1: those phones? And think about this. Can you imagine being
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner and you're literally reading a text on the
Speaker 1: phone of the mother of your baby who you just murdered,
Speaker 1: and you have enough wherewithal to potentially check her phone
Speaker 1: and read her texts. With the trial underway, the Rodent
Speaker 1: family is inching towards closure, but not before some wounds
Speaker 1: are reopened for all the world else to see. Let's
Speaker 1: stop here for another break. After court adjourned for the day,
Speaker 1: Luke was interviewed on the courthouse steps. Look, what was
Speaker 1: it like to be on the witness standing nor racking,
Speaker 1: seeing the photos and stuff and bringing the past up
Speaker 1: and their things really hard on my mental state? And
Speaker 1: Geneva's your grandmother, right correct? Talk about how this is
Speaker 1: an effect that we've seen her crying or just talking
Speaker 1: about her in the whole family house is effected her.
Speaker 1: She went through a lot and I wish you never
Speaker 1: how to go through any of this. She's lost while
Speaker 1: her children at a young age, and and now she's
Speaker 1: deale with all her other children and her grandchildren murdered.
Speaker 1: And I think everything's getting closer to the end. I'm
Speaker 1: can't wait till Zager really, so rest of our family
Speaker 1: go on with our lives, and I can't imagine. Can
Speaker 1: you even put it into words what it's like worst
Speaker 1: nightmare living in hail Really? What are your thoughts about
Speaker 1: the Wageners? My thoughts about the Wageners? I hope they
Speaker 1: Yet everything comes to when you examined that hat, did
Speaker 1: you find would you believed to be a bullet hole
Speaker 1: in the back of it? Yes, both sides agreed the
Speaker 1: traces of Gary Rowden's blood were found on the door knob,
Speaker 1: but not of the Wagoners. That seemed to make the
Speaker 1: case for the defense. None of the evidence collected were
Speaker 1: examined with respect to that scene contained any DNA that
Speaker 1: was linked to George Wagner, this defendant Jake Wagner, Angela Wagner,
Speaker 1: or Billy Wagner. When are they all going to tie
Speaker 1: this together? When are they going to point to George
Speaker 1: being part of this conspiracy because none of the physical
Speaker 1: evidence presented so far hide any of the Wagoners to
Speaker 1: any of these crime scenes. I can tell you the
Speaker 1: prosecutors are telling us behind the scenes, it's coming, it's coming,
Speaker 1: it's coming, that we're all going to tie it together.
Speaker 1: We're starting to see threads of it blade more on
Speaker 1: that next time. For more information on the case and
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