WEBVTT - 6. Observations 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.360 Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.520 Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:12.799 She found out she was pregnant in jail. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.480 It was rough, the best possible blessing at the worst 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:18.279 possible time. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.440 Yes, exactly, two million dollar bond and we went in 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:28.040 for a reduction and Judge Green denied it. So we 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.600 tried again when she was around eight months pregnant, and 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.559 he denied it again. There were no presumptions of innocence 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:37.640 while we were awaiting child. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:38.800 There was none of that. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.640 None of it, especially it would seem when it came 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.680 to Beverly's labor and delivery. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.120 Malon Reynolds tells me that the judge ordered Thomas would 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.760 be taken as soon as the umbilical cord was cut. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.760 I wanted to scream at that moment. I said, no 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:54.600 one told me this. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:09.160 I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is Murder on Songbird Road. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.840 Jade Beasley's murder left the blended family she was a 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:28.520 part of splintered with grief, anger, and confusion. That ripple 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.959 effect has reverberated throughout the extended family of her father, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.800 Mike Beasley. But Bob and I were very hopeful the 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.400 family would eventually respond to our ongoing offers to sit 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:40.560 down for an interview. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.520 I am Jade's great aunt. I am the sister of 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:45.760 her grandmother, Sheila. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.520 That's Brenda, the sister of Sheila Beasley, who is Mike's 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.520 mother and Jade's paternal grandmother. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.720 My name is Bailey, and Jade's father, Michael is my 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.080 first cousin. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.480 And that's Bailey, the niece of Brenda. Sheila. Bailey and 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.680 Brenda work together to craft the victim impact statement that 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:09.079 Brenda delivered in court while addressing Julia Beverly before her sentencing. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.520 For both Bob and me, it was incredibly important to 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:13.240 connect with them. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.240 I'm so grateful that y'all have allowed us to speak 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.520 to you. I want to know every side of this tragedy, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.519 and I'm half blind if I don't have these conversations 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.040 with you too, so I'm sure I'm sharing for Lauren 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:29.399 as well. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.919 I am so appreciative that you've agreed to speak with us. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.720 I'm very grateful that y'all are willing to do this 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.720 and kind enough to do this. But I can imagine 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.120 how difficult it is to rehash this stuff. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.160 I noticed both of you ladies are wearing pink intentional. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:51.800 This is Jay's favorite color. It's Jay's color. She just 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.520 absolutely loved pink, and it is the color we have 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.520 chosen for the foundation for Jake. Marie Beasley Speak Live 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:05.320 founding that spreads kindness in the community and helps children 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.560 express themselves. She expressed herself in her own unique way, 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:16.160 hence the Speak Life Foundation. She loved music, she loved 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.280 the arts, and she didn't get an opportunity to grow 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.080 and learn, so we are hoping to carry that on 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:24.280 for Jade. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.280 Wearing pink became a symbol of solidarity with the Justice 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.720 for Jade movement, particularly during the lead up to and 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.920 throughout Beverly's trial. We'll explore the significance of this color, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:40.640 especially its presence from the courtroom bench in future episodes. 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.520 Beyond wearing pink, both women share not only a familial 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:49.440 resemblance to Jade, but a profound grief over her tragic murder. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.400 It's just it's never something you would think to experience. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.360 I know for me, I'll never forget when I found 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.000 out and getting that phone call and how quickly it 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:02.120 changes your lives. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.200 I know that this is a difficult topic for both 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.280 of you. If you could just tell me a little 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.480 bit about Jade and Bailey, I'll let you go first. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:14.040 I would say. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.920 The first thing I have to say about her was 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:22.320 that she was very eccentric and individualistic in the best way, 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.800 even for a child. If you look at pictures, you know, 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.640 you'll notice there may be a one pattern and a 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.039 headband and a completely different pattern and a shirt. She 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.760 loved to play with her own style and dress herself 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.440 and be expressive in that way. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:38.520 Jade was very kind. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.680 She loved all of her siblings and all of her 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.960 cousins very deeply. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.719 Brenda, I think i'll let you go ahead. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:52.640 From my perspective, Jade was just as sassy as she 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:58.520 was sweet. She was very kind. She loved animals. She'd 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:03.080 loved butterflies. She would come visit me, either at the lake, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.120 then we would go boating, or her favorite place was 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.840 to go to the beach, to Orange Beach and golf shores, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.760 and she would just love to get up and walk 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.839 on the beach and look at the tiniest little shell 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:18.080 or creature. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.160 She just loved life period. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.120 She was always kind, no matter if somebody was mean 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.279 to her. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.880 She was kind, that was just her nature. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:37.200 We are all used to reading awful stories in the 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:42.040 headlines and hearing them on the radio and television, But 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:48.279 could anything have prepared you, guys for experiencing this within 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:48.960 your family. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:55.960 Absolutely not never, Never that happens to other families. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.680 I was in shock and disbelief. Something you can't wrap 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.960 your head around. It's just it's something you can never 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:10.000 prepare for, and it's something you would never expect to 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.760 happen to your family, or do you or do your 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:13.400 loved one. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.000 It's hard for somebody to say that Jade's dead or 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.800 that this person died. It's they're gone, and it's what 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.479 do you mean they're gone? Are they missing? 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:25.000 Gone? 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:26.800 You know what is gone? 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.720 I just first wanted to say, I'm I can't even 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:40.320 imagine the loss that your entire family has experienced and 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:45.920 will always experience. I can't even imagine it what that 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.600 feels like unless you're in it. You just can't, Like, 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.599 I could try to contemplate what it might be like, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.560 but I could never know what you guys have experienced. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.799 This is so valuable to us to hear from you, guys, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:04.520 to learn about who Jade was as a human being, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.600 who she was to you guys, what she meant to you, 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:12.840 and to give us your impressions of Julie. Because we 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.440 came into this not knowing anybody. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:21.480 I felt strongly that Jade needed to have representation because 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.040 I'm sure you guys could go on with or without us, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:29.040 And I get it. The biological mother and her father 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.480 they want at this point no part of a podcast 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.360 because they just specifically they can't even think about it anymore. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.600 It's just too overwhelming. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.560 A quick note that dynamic would eventually change. We are 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.280 deeply grateful for the ongoing conversations we've had with Jade's 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.720 family and are continually impressed by their openness and willingness 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.120 to engage. When we first spoke with Bailey and her 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.320 aunt Brenda, it was August of twenty twenty four. By then, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.760 they had spent nearly four years processing the murder and 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:05.200 everything that had unfolded since, including Julia Beverly's arrest, trial, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.440 and ultimate conviction. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.680 When you first heard that it was Julie, was there 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.720 part of your mind that was like, no way, or 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.000 was there part of your mind where you're like that 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.280 totally makes sense for me. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.800 I think I was somewhere in the middle. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.840 I would say it was more of shock there because 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.760 it's somebody so close, somebody that had been around the family, obviously, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.320 that had children with Michael. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:30.640 There is a. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.760 Shot there in that aspect, I would say. At the 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.920 same time, though, when I did hear that, it kind 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.640 of makes your brain start working backwards and thinking of 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:47.000 the times when she was so withdrawn from everybody else 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:51.520 around her, and that makes you start thinking, did she 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.400 have an issue that she didn't say, Was it suppressing 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.880 these emotions? Were you enjoying being around everybody or were 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:58.200 you not? 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:06.160 Happen pretty quickly after the murder five days later, and 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:12.720 at the time they had no confession, no murder weapon, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.160 no DNA evidence. But the thing that Bob and I 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:21.120 have spoken about multiple times is that there's always a motive. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.280 There's a motive that unless you're dealing with somebody like 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.280 a serial killer, where it's just irrational or driven by 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.319 things that we can't even imagine. But you mentioned something 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.760 in the victim impact statement that stuck with me, which 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.840 is why I wanted to ask you you'd use the 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.880 word jealousy. I believe, if I'm not mistaken and I 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.640 was wondering if you could expand upon that. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:52.319 The limited times that the family came here collectively together, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:59.800 Jade and I had had conversations, and so my perspective 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:04.440 of jealousy was Jade was the princess. She was her 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:09.679 daddy's little girl. She was from a different marriage. She 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.959 was loved dearly by both sides of her family. Her 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:19.360 biological mother, her biological father. They got along very well. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.520 It was a textbook seven day on, seven day off, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:28.079 joint custody situation. There was a lot for that child 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:32.839 since she was born and they divorced at quite a 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.880 young age, and they were young when they had Jay. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:44.000 But you can be nice to someone but not really 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.319 care for them. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.559 That duality stuck out to both Bob and myself immediately 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.079 because we'd not heard any examples of conflict or abuse 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.760 between Beverly and her stepdaughter. I know that Julie did 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.920 come down with Mike and the kids twice, not mistaken 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.959 to visit you in Alabama. Looking back, did you observe 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.280 anything about that dynamic that sticks out? 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:13.199 But I didn't really talk that much to her. And 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.079 then when she came with the family in any family event, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:22.000 Julie never interacted with the family. She was very withdrawn 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.439 and she would withdraw herself from family situations. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.240 So yes, over. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.080 Seven and a half years, I guess they were together. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.720 The family came to Alabama at least four times a year, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:39.959 but not Michael and Julie and that family. Jade would come, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.400 but she maintain So I mean, anything that I say 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.480 is clearly from my limited perspective with her and from 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.200 my conversations like I said, with Jade, and I do 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:59.200 know that Jay did not feel totally inclusive in the 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:04.040 Michael Julie pod, but she would not speak about things 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.040 that would make other people look better feel bad at all. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.520 I wasn't there day to day with the family, but 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.280 I do know that the night that she spent the 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:20.000 night there with Michael and Julie at their home. On 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:25.000 Songbird wrote, the other children were with my sister, and 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.240 my sister did say, why don't you stay, Why do 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:30.040 you want to go? 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:31.880 Why do you want to go so bad? 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.319 The other kids are here, there's nobody home, you know, 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.800 And she says, well, I want to see my dad 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.520 because I have my sister's birthday party to go to 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:41.480 this week, so I. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:42.920 Want to see my dad before I go. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:49.040 And that's how she she says, not just because I'm 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:50.720 not going to be able to be with him that week, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.959 because there was a lot going on and she wanted 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.160 to see her dad that eden. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.520 It is of note that by all accounts, the before 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.360 the murder, Jade asked to come back to Songbird Road 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.880 and Julia Beverly willingly volunteered to stay home with her 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.640 that night while Mike went out back to Bailey. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.360 Brenda mentioned with being with John, you know, we are 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.360 a big family. We are a pretty loud family. On 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.360 our side, there's a whole bunch of us. There's a 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.080 lot of kids. When you get everybody together, it is 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.719 loud and it is crazy. There was a year specifically 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.320 that sticks out to me now that everything's happened, And 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.360 it was around Christmas time and some of the kids 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.839 were opening up gifts and Kim and Michael were there, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.760 and Julie and everybody was kind of in the living 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.040 room met Shea's house at Michael some others and some 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:44.160 people were kind of in the. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.920 Kitchen and there's this chair that sits. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.560 If you're looking at the fireplace and the TV to 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.800 the left of it, and Julie was sitting in that chair, 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.720 and when everybody else around her is engaged in opening 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.679 gifts and talking, she's very quiet, very reserved, and kind 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:07.240 of just sitting there and observing. And that is just 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.360 something that stuck with me from that one interaction. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.400 What immediately struck Bob and me was the specific critique 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.960 Julia's family had of Mike was his quiet and somewhat 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:25.000 introverted demeanor at their family gatherings. Back to Brenda and Bailey. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.160 I am awarees you all are that in court the 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:33.160 state did not go for a motive. Jennifer never presented 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.520 a motive or at least directly stated one that she thought. 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.840 Jennifer is Special Prosecutor Jennifer Mudge, who tried the case 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:42.960 against Julia Beverly. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:50.040 My personal opinion is that sometimes people snap, and that 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:50.920 is what. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.680 I believe happened in this case. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.960 As Brenda said, you know, Jade was from a previous marriage. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.360 She was the only child in their immediate family from 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.440 a different marriage, and that is where we believe the 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.680 jealousy came in and where we believe she. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:13.760 Said murder on Songbird Road. We'll return after the break 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.720 here again is murder on Songbird Road. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.040 I'm always trying to go through the psychology of it. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:30.600 But in terms of Julie's version of what she claims happened, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.320 when did you guys hear that, like how soon after 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.800 they say okay, Julie's the suspect. Was that right away? 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.240 Where you heard this story? Or is it a trial 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.320 or is the prosecutor? Let you know, we had. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.880 Heard bits and pieces prior to the trial that she 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.160 had left the house, somebody was there or somebody ran out. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.800 We of course had heard some pieces of it, but 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.480 we actually heart the full version. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:01.240 At the trial. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.840 We followed the information of which, by the way, was 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.720 Julie's statement as to where she went. And from my 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:15.920 perspective on jumping straight to it being Julie, I had 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:20.920 already told my sister and unlessened the shut the social 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.800 media off, shut the noise up. Let's find the facts first, 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:31.080 And I said, you will hear the facts, so you 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:38.200 follow the facts here Julie's story and verify. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.160 So I trust, but verify. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:46.240 And when the evidence was presented at the trial is 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:51.880 exactly when I made my mind up, because I've followed 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.840 the evidence. She told her story, she placed herself as 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.960 having her own cell phone with her, and they follow 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.160 the cell phone data. She told them she went to Hawks. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.680 I never knew they dug up a dump, a garbage 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.520 dump and found what they found until the trial. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.159 But in all fairness, what they found had nothing to 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:18.119 do with the case. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.959 The coordinates were exactly where the dumpster had been and 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.280 exactly what they had dumped in. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.720 There was two dumpsters she went to. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.720 So anyway, wait, wait, tell me. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.440 Explain that to us, because that's not something that we've 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:36.760 come up. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.360 Yeah, we did not hear that. Like, the only thing 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:44.400 that we've heard was that she had stopped in the Hawks. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.719 Her story was that she had made her way all 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.440 the way down to Carbondell to go to Walmart. Right, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.080 so we have that lie that's in place. And now 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.480 when this video from Hawks. 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.960 Surfaces, a quick aside after Julie remembered making the stock, 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:05.000 Renee actually called in the Hucks tip before the video surfaced. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.360 And so she says, okay, well, I'm at the light. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.560 My gaslight pops on, I pull into the Hawks. I'm 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.680 going to get gas. I realize I don't have my cards. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.720 So then that's when we see the thing which to 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.000 me sounds like it was a rather small package, like 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.880 and this is the stuff that I look at critically. 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:29.040 I wasn't at the trial, you guys, especially you Brenda, 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.840 because I'm assuming Billy, as you said, you were trying 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.520 to deal with your college life. You know, probably didn't attend. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.000 He did not miss the so. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:40.119 Like so. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.080 But I have not heard anything about a second dumpster 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:44.640 at all. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:49.280 Around the back of Hucks as a dumpster. So there 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:53.639 was something dumped here and then pulled to the I 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.080 believe I could be mispeaken, but there's a dumpster at. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.960 The back that I had heard. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.359 Something was put in, and there was the dumpster here, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.399 and the only place I could have heard that was 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:04.960 at the try. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.760 I only have that video of look at her throwing away. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.639 Yeah, see where she drove, Which direction she drove first, 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:17.440 because to the backside of HUWKS as another dumpster, and 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:22.480 then she threw something in that package and there's an 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:23.400 additional dumpster. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:30.360 Anyway, Remember this understanding or misunderstanding of what was discarded 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:34.880 at Hucks and that dumpster and what was discovered at 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.560 the landfill. It is crucial and will be clarified in 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.960 the court transcripts which we would soon possess back to Brenda. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:48.440 I could be misspeaking, but honestly, the dumpster not even 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.320 that's I just had never seen so much law enforcement 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.800 come through garbage like that in my whole life. I 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.800 never knew they would even do that. I didn't even 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.520 realize they had the core in some new trash that 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:02.200 they did. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:08.359 I would say for me with that, and during the trial, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.439 you know, we know it was in a landfill, so 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.600 it was not tested for DNA. In my opinion, no 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.440 matter what, it would have been contaminated, and clearly that's 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.879 what they thought as well. However, if you kind of 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.800 go back to the mindset and kind of the talk 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.640 throughout the pre trials and leading up to the jury trial, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:37.359 and what we knew that Julie's family and friends were 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.080 saying was that the police were not making an effort, 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.480 or they were not doing everything that they. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.880 Could, or this or that, and it was. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.399 All negative to how there wasn't a thorough investigation, or 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.400 this was not done or that was not done. 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:54.440 And for me. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.159 Personally, and what I took from that moment during the 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.959 trial was. 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:01.160 The was thorough. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.560 Again digging through the landfill for anything they could possibly 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.119 infer could be linked to the murder could also be 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:12.040 seen as desperation, not dedication back to Bailey. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.640 And they did try to do everything that they could 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.159 do throughout this case. 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:19.520 And I think that's. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.919 Spoken to in other ways as well, when they're going 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.960 through blood evidence and they're talking about all the different 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.000 people that worked. 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.360 On this case and how many hours went into it. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.800 We've lived this for almost four years at this point, 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.080 obviously December fifth will be four years, and. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.480 Going throughout the past. 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.320 Four years and attending pre trials and that week of 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:48.120 jury trial, and I where I sit today, I am 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.159 confident that Julie Beverley is guilty of this crime. 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.720 So I have two hundred percent convinced Julie is guilty. 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.280 I will go to my grave thank you that. 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:06.200 But on the other side, I believe in right and 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:11.919 I believe in forgiveness, and if somebody missed something and 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:16.800 somebody can show me the proof, I will be the 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.720 first one in line to say I am so sorry. 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:25.000 I would, I would and forgive. 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.959 Me for thinking what I've thought or and I just 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.640 took the only evidence that I have been presented with. 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:38.359 I am in the same Jesus, Brenda that if something 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.520 were to change in the case and she was to 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:47.280 be proven innocent or not guilty, we will apologize to her. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.880 I can't say we would have a relationship with her necessarily. 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.200 I think everybody's a little too far gone for that 0:22:55.320 --> 0:23:00.080 being realistic. But you know, we would apologize if that 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.879 was to be the case. I do not believe that 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:07.080 to be so, but I don't want it to come 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:14.000 across as blind animosity or just an ignorant will to 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.520 believe whatever is put in front of you, because I 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.320 do not believe that that was the case for any 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:20.080 of us. 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.280 The willingness of Jade Beasley's family to extend grace and 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.919 remain open minded even to the slightest possibility that the 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:32.360 investigation might have been flawed, speaks volumes about their integrity 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.440 and character, which aligns deeply with the Christian principles they referenced. 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:40.480 During our conversation, Bailey, you did mention that you're religious, 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.639 and I know Brenda that you are as well, and 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:48.119 that you worked on that victim impact statement together. One 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:52.120 thing that I remember was the children will be raised Christian. Yes, 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.280 if you could just explain that to me and why 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.720 that was of solace to you after all of this. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.000 The family has a I know that a. 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:07.680 Family member owns a pagan store in Salem or whatever, 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:12.960 but they believe in witchery or witchcraft. I view that 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.359 as an occult. There ain't no good witch. There's not 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.720 a good witch in mind, although I did like the 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:23.639 witch growing up. But I would just say that, you know, 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:27.879 in the mother Renee, I mean, we hear rumors of 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.680 all this, okay, but out of the mouths of babes. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.800 I will tell you that her own daughter said, I 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.920 don't like witches. I don't like witches. I don't want 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.320 to go back there. I don't like a witch. I 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.479 don't know what they were practicing or not practicing, but 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:46.960 Julie didn't really want them to. 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:47.639