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Speaker 1: What is up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Stuff Podcast. We are covering the rumors

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Speaker 1: this past weekend. A lot of stuff has come out

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Speaker 1: from the athletic from Ken Rosenthal, from Will Sam and

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Speaker 1: Dennis Lynn the Padres Reporter. A lot of rumors out

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Speaker 1: there in the world, connecting the Mets to pretty much everybody,

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Speaker 1: it seems like, which is a shocker. The team with

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Speaker 1: the most money is getting connected to all the major

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Speaker 1: players and free agents and moves.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about all those in today's episode. Before we do, make.

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Speaker 1: But James talk about these rumors because I think the

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Speaker 1: people went crazy for the Jorge Polanco reaction, so I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for what the next move with the Mets

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Speaker 1: could be for our views.

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Speaker 2: He shout out you guys for that one.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think the whole world would be Zo on

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Speaker 3: the Mets signing Horry plot con late in a Saturday morning,

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Speaker 3: but it happened, and again I said it, then say

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Speaker 3: it now. I think the biggest thing to draw from

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Speaker 3: this is I don't know what they're doing next.

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Speaker 2: Nope.

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Speaker 3: Like we have reports out there that the Mets are

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Speaker 3: interested in Mason Miller. We have another report out there

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Speaker 3: that the Mets are still interested in Lars Neubar m

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Speaker 3: willbe Network had Sweet. The Mets are shifting their focus

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Speaker 3: to Luis Robert and Mason Miller were being heavily connected

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Speaker 3: still to Kyle Tucker, and I really just think like

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Speaker 3: from the meta too, yeah, and they prevetted too, like,

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Speaker 3: but what we can glean I think from all of

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Speaker 3: this is that I think that this is just going

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Speaker 3: to be an opportunistic Mets offseason. I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: this a BCD plan, like we kind of hope there is.

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Speaker 3: But I think we're just gonna siphon off and get

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Speaker 3: the guys that we think can fill out this roster.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if Kyle Tucker wants to sign a

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Speaker 3: five year deal for Crazy AV, I think he'll be

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Speaker 3: a Met.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So shout out to wind up where we talk

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Speaker 1: about like all baseball in general, and we've been going

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Speaker 1: through some old off seasons giving our opinions on the

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Speaker 1: contracts of being signed and looking back, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the best contracts that get signed and up happening towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the offseason. And even if you look

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Speaker 1: at the David Searns era and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Mets moves that they've made, Frankie Manta signed early turned

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Speaker 1: out not to be one of the best deals, Like

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Speaker 1: a lot of the ones where they've maybe been a

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Speaker 1: little too aggressive at times turned out being poor. So

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Speaker 1: maybe this is a good spot for the Mets to

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Speaker 1: be a little patient, even though it doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 1: It gives me Adja to be like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: who's playing what position this year. Mark Viento's is still

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Speaker 1: on this team. Is he gonna be our first baseman?

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Speaker 1: Is who's gonna play the outfield? Or we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: Carson Benz? What's going on with the rotation, what's going

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Speaker 1: on with the bullpen? Like there are still so many

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Speaker 1: question marks, And I think that's an extremely uncomfortable feeling

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Speaker 1: for a team that massively disappointed last year and arguably

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Speaker 2: That doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 1: But I think, like you said, the Mets aren't gonna

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Speaker 1: And I guess Cory Polanco fit that. That's the one

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Speaker 2: I guess so.

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Speaker 3: But also I think there's a difference between patients with

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Speaker 3: the trademark and the patients with free agency. Like I

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Speaker 3: do think the Planco market moved quickly, and I think

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Speaker 3: they just gave him the highest AAV so we wound

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Speaker 3: up taking it. But I think that and Will Sam

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Speaker 2: I have his ass.

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Speaker 3: But I think that the next big thing I have

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Speaker 2: We continue to get out of it.

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Speaker 3: From Will, from Dennis Lynn, from Ken Rosenthal, it makes

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Speaker 3: me think that these teams are trying to get something done.

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Speaker 3: I think the way they line up, oddly enough, is

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Speaker 3: Ye and like if the Padres can trade one year

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Speaker 2: Ask for Jonah Toong. It's the tongue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like that's where the most smoke with

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Speaker 3: this is the Padres, the Mets wanting to consolidate some

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Speaker 3: for the message because ultimately we know at the end

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Speaker 3: is in a very weird spot. And for a team

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Speaker 3: applaud them for, it hasn't amounted to anything hasn't amounted

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Speaker 3: go to a more I don't want to say sustainable

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Speaker 3: but AJ Prowler can't keep trading every single prospect ever

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Speaker 3: I don't know what a package though, for like a

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Speaker 3: they're all on good deals. Like what what do you

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Speaker 3: give up for Nick Paveta? I think that again, I

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Speaker 3: think the Mason Miller Jonah would be the thing. I

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Speaker 3: I think that the Mets.

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Speaker 2: Have Ooh, I think I would.

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Speaker 3: The Mets have so many holes in this team right now.

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Speaker 3: I really can't give up one of the best assets

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Speaker 2: I just can't. What if he then becomes a starter,

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Speaker 2: then how good the start? Do you really think he is?

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Speaker 1: Like, do you think he probably slid throws ninety seven

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Speaker 2: He throws a ton of strikes for.

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Speaker 3: The guy that's never been able to stay healthy now

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Speaker 3: you want to take that risk and make him the

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Speaker 1: Oh listen, I understand both sides. I just you see

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Speaker 1: the quality of player that Mason Miller hasn't just definitely

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Speaker 1: We've always talked about, like the Mets could really use

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Speaker 1: like a swingman stretch roll. And while this would be

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Speaker 2: It's possible.

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Speaker 3: I do think also that there was there was a

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Speaker 3: Burns and Freddy Pralt in rolls like that, Yeah, until

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Speaker 3: But there's there's such odd specificities in some of this

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Speaker 3: Let me just like to plug Jonathan Patara's name off

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Speaker 3: of a forty man roster when we signed Pintaara, if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna find it because when when

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Speaker 1: like wait, this guy was like teammates with him, what

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Speaker 2: And like he's a little bit older.

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Speaker 3: But Pintaro also definitely has some really cool pitch specs.

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Speaker 2: Because he's a low slot guy.

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Speaker 1: He gets up to the Pioneer League, the Glacier Range

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Speaker 1: Riders in Kallus Bell, Montana.

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Speaker 2: That's nice. Love that.

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Speaker 3: But he when he came up with the Mets last year,

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Speaker 3: Pastor Nostro were like soft comping him to like what

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Speaker 3: this is kind of what the Padres want, you know

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Speaker 3: Peters and Johnath Pintaro, They're like, oh my gosh, sure, yes,

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Speaker 3: that's saying like for them, they could have just bought

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Speaker 2: It's just it's a weird mix.

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Speaker 3: And I think that maybe some Mets fans are excited

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Speaker 3: Like I think we're going to get something really creative

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Speaker 3: like we still have some redundancies of Ronnie Resial Louis

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Speaker 3: go back and forth kind of figuring out what it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still I don't know if the Mets will

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Speaker 1: move tongue still, I don't think so either. Just like

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Speaker 1: be like, there's no world where we're trading Joanah Tong.

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Speaker 1: So I think we have to keep that in mind

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Speaker 3: And again, to me right now at this juncture, that

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, even though I would love them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's probably also like a little bit of

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Speaker 2: But holy yeah, good for him.

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Speaker 3: Which it seems like the Mets are front and center of.

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Speaker 2: They're just gonna have Louise Robert this year.

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Speaker 3: So I think every single day where it goes on,

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Speaker 1: can we squeeze him for a little extra juice? And

439
00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,040
Speaker 1: it feels like all three of them are like, let's

440
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,640
Speaker 1: play this game. Who's gonna budge first?

441
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,240
Speaker 3: Especially when again, trying to read through the lines of

442
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Speaker 3: Will Salmon's articlely put in The Athletic on Monday, New

443
00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,640
Speaker 3: York is eyeing another bat League said, and this comes

444
00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,920
Speaker 3: after Hory planco. Of course, it would be surprising if

445
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,280
Speaker 3: the Mets didn't supplement their outfield. Such an addition may

446
00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,320
Speaker 3: or may not come in the form of a star player, though,

447
00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,720
Speaker 3: despite the desire to be a better defensive team than

448
00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,440
Speaker 3: last year, the Mets believe they now have enough flexibility

449
00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,040
Speaker 3: to seek more of a bad first player. People familiar

450
00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,520
Speaker 3: with their conversation said, so the audition could be somewhere

451
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,520
Speaker 3: for the outfield or someone who occupies more time but

452
00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,159
Speaker 3: designated hither just seems like this door is being very

453
00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,880
Speaker 3: purposely left open for this one crazy thing to happen.

454
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,200
Speaker 3: I know that we've got a little addicted to the

455
00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,000
Speaker 3: splash as Mets fans over the last few years, and

456
00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,120
Speaker 3: now we're getting reverse splashes like law last week. We're

457
00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,920
Speaker 3: still a week removed from all Overheart's being collectively ripped out.

458
00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,320
Speaker 3: But I think that I think there is a lot

459
00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,760
Speaker 3: of value in trying to be opportunistic, and the market,

460
00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,600
Speaker 3: the part of the market that moved quickly, seems like

461
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,679
Speaker 3: already moved quickly.

462
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,720
Speaker 2: And now you wait, I.

463
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,479
Speaker 1: Think the next like big dominoes are going to fall,

464
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,440
Speaker 1: gonna be the the Japanese players with because they have to,

465
00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,680
Speaker 1: because they have to, they physically have to, Like Murakami

466
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,520
Speaker 1: has to be signed in a week, I believe at

467
00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,920
Speaker 1: the time of recording, which is insane. And you've heard

468
00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,760
Speaker 1: again nothing, not a word about anybody interested in Murakami.

469
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't get a read on what the

470
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,400
Speaker 1: Mets are doing this offseason. I can't get a read

471
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,960
Speaker 1: on what Major League Baseball's doing this offseason. The Twins,

472
00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,920
Speaker 1: you just signed Josh Bell, Like I'm I'm the Philly

473
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 1: signed at Dollars Garcia. I'm so confused because like you

474
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,320
Speaker 1: could close your eyes and be like Nick cast dollis

475
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,119
Speaker 1: and dollars Garcia are gonna be the exact same player

476
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Speaker 1: next year, and you're gonna end up having Defensively, dol

477
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,960
Speaker 1: Garcia was horrible. Defensively horrible.

478
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 3: He had the knee thing two years ago. He still

479
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,920
Speaker 3: has a canyon. I think he's still he was so bad.

480
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,240
Speaker 1: He was one of the worst outfielders defensively in baseball.

481
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,560
Speaker 1: I think I think he might be cooked out there defensively.

482
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,199
Speaker 3: I think you still get a good year of out

483
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,159
Speaker 3: of these Garcia defensively, I do, but like also like

484
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,200
Speaker 3: one year ten million, like some people like the Mets

485
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:36,720
Speaker 3: miss this one.

486
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,600
Speaker 2: I really wanted to.

487
00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,719
Speaker 3: Oh he was he was about average OAA. This year

488
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,480
Speaker 3: was one of the best times in the league. Yeah, No,

489
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:42,320
Speaker 3: he wasn't.

490
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,199
Speaker 1: Do I like only think of twenty twenty four numbers.

491
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think sometimes if you do that all right,

492
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,360
Speaker 2: another hand up. He went twenty twenty four.

493
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Speaker 1: He was horrendous, Holy crash twos go.

494
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,479
Speaker 3: He had that balky knee for like the whole year,

495
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,879
Speaker 3: and they just ran him out there every single day,

496
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 3: and that was a mistake. It is kind of amazing

497
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,920
Speaker 3: that a Lease Garcia has taken almost eleven hundred at

498
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Speaker 3: at bats in the last two.

499
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 1: Years and it has like a six fifty ops.

500
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again like they kind of just were like,

501
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,159
Speaker 3: let's get Cuban Costianos.

502
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,080
Speaker 1: Were they playing him in center at one point too?

503
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 2: That was that in twenty twenty four they were still

504
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 2: playing him in center a decent bit.

505
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 1: But even then, it's probably like similar ish value in

506
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 1: Cassianos next year, I.

507
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 3: Have something that had degree now only he only played

508
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 3: right in twenty twenty four too. He hasn't played center

509
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty but he's like, I don't know like that.

510
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,160
Speaker 3: That to me is also a big indication the Phillies

511
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 3: are not going to be in on the big money

512
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 3: stuff this offseason too, Like I.

513
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it seems like they got schwarburn. They're like, Okay,

514
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,679
Speaker 1: how do we get better around the edge? Which probably

515
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 1: also isn't the worst decision for them either. It's not

516
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: like the Phillies sneak No.

517
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 2: Definitely, Phillies are a good team.

518
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,720
Speaker 3: Like it's also a kind of a funny thing to

519
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 3: compare the Mets in the Phillies where it's like, in

520
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 3: the Phillies perspective, I'd be very happy to run back

521
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 3: that core, like you still feel like that core has

522
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 3: a lot left to do with this Mets corps that

523
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 3: were clearly not running back at this point in the offseason.

524
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 3: It did feel like every single players but past their peak.

525
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 2: Should we talk about the Wan Soda comments a little bit? Yeah,

526
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 2: we could talk about those two just a Hodgepodge episode. Yeah,

527
00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,200
Speaker 2: Hodgepodge episode. It's gonna be mostly rumors. But Wan soa.

528
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 1: Talking at the like Dominican Sports Awards or wherever he

529
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 1: was where he went the Dominican Athlete of the Year,

530
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: which shout at won Soto second award. Yeah, and they

531
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: brought talk brought like Pete Alonzo and everything going on

532
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: in Francis School, indor, and he was like, yeah, we

533
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of knew Pete wasn't coming back. Like I keep

534
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: in contact with the club, I'm talking to everybody. I

535
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: know what's going on with this team. It seemed like

536
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: everybody in the Mets world knew that Peter Alonzo wasn't

537
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: coming back except Mets fans.

538
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

539
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 3: And then I mean also now looking back and you

540
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 3: guys heard us talk to d Sho last Friday, Like

541
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Speaker 3: it definitely did feel like that seems like the one

542
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 3: that was the weird surprising one was Edwin Diaz saw

543
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 3: him as to comments. I think that was at the

544
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 3: Poor then we can Winter League Homer and Derby where

545
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 3: talked about how it seems like Lindor was very surprised.

546
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Speaker 2: That Diaz didn't come back.

547
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 3: Yes, and there was like a quick there was a

548
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 3: call that was made between them. But then Diaz just

549
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 3: harped over and over and over again that he basically

550
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: just wanted to go chase a ring.

551
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: And it's it's something we've talked about at nauseo where

552
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: it's like for Edwin Diaz, who if he continues on

553
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 1: the path that he's on, has a chance to be

554
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: like a Hall of Fame closer and he probably needs

555
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 1: a ring to really push himself.

556
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: Over the top. You get some big, big highlight. That

557
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: was like late postseasons, so it.

558
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,479
Speaker 1: Was like a big knock on some some relievers have

559
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 1: taken forever get in the in the Hall of Fame.

560
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 3: But it is funny now, is these these reports and

561
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: rumors trickle out like some people in the Mets. I mean,

562
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 3: these aren't people in the Mets world, the just some

563
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: of the mutants on Twitter. We're like offended that like Wance,

564
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 3: so the key them with the plants, like why why

565
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: they're such disdain for Wance So though I don't know,

566
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 3: they feel like there's a lot of disdain for want

567
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 3: So Tho too right now, like in media, which I

568
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: think is really weird, and shout out Master Flip Master

569
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: Flip is really good on Twitter. He's a he's Dominican.

570
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: He translates these things very well efficiently. People like bought

571
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Speaker 3: him for his translations on that. So it's it's just

572
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 3: it's strange the way these solo comments leak out sometimes

573
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: and the way people perceive them just because he's really

574
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Speaker 3: good and makes a.

575
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Speaker 2: Lot of money. I mean, it's crazy to me.

576
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Speaker 1: We've been seeing like some short form stuff from Jolly

577
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: Alive where like they asked who's a better contract right now,

578
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: Soto or vlag Guerrero Junior, like who's gonna age well,

579
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: and the reporters are just straight up lying about the

580
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: kind of play like Black Junior is awesome, this is

581
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: not anything. He's a flat junior, but like, oh it

582
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: plays great first base, he's more athletic, and like none

583
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: of these things are true, and then they're like, so

584
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna age out of the outfield, is

585
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: gonna be the He's a better athlete right now, plays

586
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: a harder position and is a better hitter. Like what,

587
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: we just don't like Wan Soto because he's the most paid,

588
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: highest paid athlete who doesn't want to talk to you.

589
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 3: But also, if you flipped it around to the other side,

590
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 3: if you went if you had this conversation with them

591
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: exactly one year ago before Solo signed the deal, but

592
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: also after last postseason, everyone said so because of his

593
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 3: heros last pot season. It's flat did this like there's

594
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, recency bias that plays in

595
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: the way that we perceive these players, and you don't

596
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: right now doing your twelve days of ranking sometimes last

597
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 3: year really holds a lot of value in your head.

598
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: Of course me me never biased, never recency, But this

599
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: is just.

600
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I think a lot of people

601
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: want to continue to go after and pull this ridiculous

602
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 3: string about the Mets clubhouse. I think it's it's kind

603
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 3: of becoming a tree that we can't really understand why

604
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: keeps getting barked up and took.

605
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Speaker 2: Him to the Braves on a one year, twenty million

606
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: dollar deal. It's a good deal, is it. I take that. Yeah.

607
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't have they didn't have anyone else.

608
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: Do you do you know what his defense was last year?

609
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: I know the fact it was bad.

610
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: I think that them signing him to that is like

611
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: we hope the shoulders better.

612
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, again, like they had they were shortstop

613
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: less than they need to do something like that.

614
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: We're talking about that.

615
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: So Nolan McLain also similarly went on pitching in Just

616
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: podcast over the weekend and that was sensationally If you

617
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: guys want to have like pitching porn, like you should

618
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 3: go listen to everything that Nolan McLain said on that

619
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: because it was absolutely like lockown unbelievable, and he just

620
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: he talks, so he's like, oh, this clubhouse was great,

621
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: such a fun clubhouse. They really like being a part

622
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 3: of it. And again he got there later in the

623
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: season and he was like, yeah, this is great. You

624
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 3: know agenda. He's like, yeah, fun clubhouse.

625
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Like listen, I want to get a big head here

626
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: for a second.

627
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: But I really wish like Baseball World could have seen

628
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 1: our podcast with Disha because she also like a very

629
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: prominent reporter, very credible inside the clubhouse, like there's nothing

630
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: wrong in there. It's like seems like everybody from the

631
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: outside likes to think that there's something wrong, and then

632
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: everybody that's inside goes it was fine. They're just not

633
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: best friends. That happens, This isn't a problem.

634
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 3: And you're just not winning. Like if you're not winning,

635
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: this stuff all looks a lot worse. Like the me's

636
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: won two more games last year. I feel like a

637
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 3: lot of these narratives wouldn't have happened. But that's that's

638
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: also west where we're at. We deserve it, so it is.

639
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: It is an uncomfortable time in the off season for

640
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: you guys all, specifically as Mets fans, because you see

641
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: a very incomplete team as of December fifteen, sixteenth, when

642
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: you're listening to this and you want, after the excitement

643
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: of last year and last offseason, you wanted to keep

644
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: momentum going, and we've stopped all momentum flat and we've

645
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: lost a lot of your guys' favorite players. Like that

646
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: part sucks and I'm still not really over half it,

647
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: but like looking around, like I'm I'm definitely more excited

648
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: the days go on for like what can happen next.

649
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 3: And also I think that the Hory Polanco move, while

650
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: like in a vacuum, it does seem just very regular,

651
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 3: like you just got a guy that can hit, and

652
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: we'll see if he wants up playing first base. But

653
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 3: like that's at least an indication from management that we're

654
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: still going to try. Are people think there's gonna be

655
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: a rebuilding year, like you can let the young guys

656
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Speaker 3: play well, also not rebuilding and competing for wildcard spot

657
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: like we were ass last year, Mega ass, super turbo ass,

658
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: and like we were still one game from the postseason

659
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: with eighty four, with eighty three wins. It's like if

660
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: you just again one here, if you just shoot for

661
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: eighty seven eighty eight every year.

662
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: God, but that does seem like what actually is happening

663
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: right now.

664
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: It seems like they're not ready to go in on

665
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: a team that can beat the Dodgers, but it seems

666
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: like they're gonna go in on a team that can

667
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: get to the dance. Yeah, I uh, which I don't

668
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 3: think that's the best rategy either, but I just I

669
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: think that's what they're doing.

670
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's a scary world.

671
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: It's a scary world out there being a Mets fan

672
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: right now, I just.

673
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't like it. It's so uncomfortable.

674
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: Like we again, we applaud David Sets for the like

675
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: secrecy and the quiet and everything, and it worked in

676
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: the past because we got the players we wanted, and

677
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: now that we know we got the players that we want,

678
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hate this shit. Please give me any

679
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: inkling of it a sense of what's going on, which

680
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: is why.

681
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: This is kind of funny that we're like harping on

682
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 3: all these rumors and talking about all these players were

683
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: connected with and reporting, but then they just signed Horriy

684
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Planco and there was not one no person, pundit, journalist, analyst,

685
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, anybody out there that ever would have connected

686
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: Horriy Planco to the Mets, let alone to be their first.

687
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: Blase Harboard Wardy makes content on any single thing that

688
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: goes on the Mets world. First Wrriy Polanco mentioned is

689
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: basically when they signed it. Like, if Wardy doesn't have it,

690
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: it's not out there.

691
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

692
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think the Horry Planka signing is just

693
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: objectively good.

694
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: It's cool. The only tine, the only thing I will

695
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: say it is.

696
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Weird, like to want to pay Hori Polanco at age

697
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: like thirty three and thirty four twenty million dollars a year,

698
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm worried about Pete at age thirty

699
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: four and thirty five.

700
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: When I think if fory Planco won a five year deal,

701
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: I don't think we would signed. No, I know, but

702
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: they are different. It's an age, no, I know. I

703
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: know if Pete wanted the two years, would have signed

704
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: to him too.

705
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: I want to peep back. I miss him. I can't,

706
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: I do, I do miss Pete. I haven't watched the

707
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: Orioles press conference. I can't do it. No, I can't.

708
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: He does seem really happy. He cutched it.

709
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: He got a wicked bag on that and there you know,

710
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: and they're going they're going to love him. But like

711
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: I think, there's also very much two sides this coin.

712
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: There's a lot of revisionist history when a guy like

713
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: that leaves where we do always remember the best of times. Ever,

714
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: like if Pete didn't hit the home run against the

715
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: Brewers last season, I think a lot of people have

716
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: had different perspective even if he came back for this

717
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: one year.

718
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we always felt weird because we're like people

719
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: hated Pete, like he doesn't clutch, and we're like, I mean,

720
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: Pete's really good, guys, like I feel like we're missing

721
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: the context and now that he had the good year

722
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: after the big moment, completely forgot about how much they

723
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: hated him for a season when he couldn't get the

724
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: big hit he only hit home runs like hey, rot

725
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: up nine.

726
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then also the flip side of

727
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: this is like there's also some revision's history and that

728
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: like Pete wasn't as good as a remember, but Pete

729
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: was still really good, like a guy Mike phili He

730
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: had a great colup of all the Pet's eras he

731
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: made last year, and there were some really bad ones

732
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: in there. But I'm like, I'm not I don't know,

733
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to be like I hate PNTO because

734
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: sign somewhere else. Not, it's just I think the thing

735
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: we all have to get on board with and not

736
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: maybe not we don't have to get on board with.

737
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: But like acknowledges that the met seemingly had no interest

738
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: whatsoever they bring him back. Nope, like there was not

739
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: there was not really any way, shape or form that

740
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: he was going to fit into whatever, like whatever plan

741
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: they have on the contract of mans he got and

742
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 3: what the market was was going to pay him.

743
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: It seems like mom Soto knew the entire time.

744
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that seem like that. Maybe Lindor did too. I

745
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: mean Nolan McLain that interview with Pitching Ninja. He was like, people,

746
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: such a great guy.

747
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: We've been texting we.

748
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: Gotta we gotta talk about that article too from Bill

749
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: Sherman that Steve Powend needs to sit down indoor.

750
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: Oh, so let's do that. Let's let's do a double

751
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: medium over right here. I guess people used in this episode.

752
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: So that was the one. Do you have you ever

753
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: pulled up you have a headline?

754
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: Anything?

755
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: I will, I'll get to the DMS right now. But

756
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: Joel Sherman wrote an article and listen, like Joseph pros Pro,

757
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with everything that he says, and

758
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: I think at times he does kind of venture into

759
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: the realm of like what.

760
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: The fuck are we doing here?

761
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: But his tweet from December thirteenth shout out Drew and

762
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Christy Steve Cohen should meet with Lindor Slash Soto if

763
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: they're good with each other discuss how to avoid repeating

764
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five disaster. But if the relationship is

765
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: a problem, then for the one billion plus all in

766
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: on the duo, the Mets owner has a right to say,

767
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: let's fix this now. And then it was like a

768
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: picture of Steve Cohen, like scolding children at a dinner table.

769
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: Which is again unbelievable that that would be the headline,

770
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: the picture that's being put out there.

771
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: And then the New York Post won up themselves on Monday. Yeah,

772
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: got that one.

773
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: This is a headline former Mets manager Mickey Calloway's warning

774
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: after star exodus it better work.

775
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, who fucking cares what that asshole has to say?

776
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Why are we even at why are we even asking

777
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: for his opinion? That's like breaking news. Baby says it

778
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: might be sunny tomorrow. Oh okay, Well you don't know anything.

779
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: You're Mickey Cowway's disgraced. He shouldn't be in headlines at all.

780
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: Best reply was for Matt Williams, who's a betting analyst

781
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: as a Mets fan, he goes was Deshaun Watson unavailable

782
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: for comment. Nice I quote with it be like thank

783
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: god we had hear Mickey Callaway had to say, and

784
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: someone's like, where's our house? Like, I just I can't.

785
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: I just can't believe that's the headline the New York

786
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: Post ran with. But again, I do think that it is.

787
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: It's not Revision's history, because these were good players. But

788
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: I do think that all three of those guys and

789
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: edemud dsp lines of brand Nemo I probably already had

790
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: their best season, right.

791
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's fair to say. The

792
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: thing that sucks about like that automatically like gives like

793
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: they've had their best season, like they're cooked almost no where,

794
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Like Pete could still be like one thirty WRC plus

795
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: for the next three seasons, but his best was like

796
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: one fort definitely.

797
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: And there also there was also a great reporting from

798
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: Jared Syler again Baseball Perspectives to a nice article about

799
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: what Pete did last year to kind of turn himself

800
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: into this better hitter.

801
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: Shortened up his swing, got that bat speed.

802
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: Up while I did that, but also the contact rate

803
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: in the zone fell a lot. We've talked a lot

804
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: about that, specifically Brandon Nimo over the last two years.

805
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: Like when you start to see that contact right in

806
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: the zone go down like that is a clear indication

807
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: of aging.

808
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: So like I understand if they thought five.

809
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: Years was just too big of a risk for someone

810
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: who they saw some signs of aging on that, Like, again,

811
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: that makes sense.

812
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: It's just it.

813
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: And I still think too at the end of the day,

814
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: there is something about and this is not a negative

815
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: on those guys at all, like Brandon Nemo Pedalonzo, when

816
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Jeff McNeil inevitably gets traded like that was kind of

817
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: like it that that was a little bit like a

818
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: weird situation where they'd been there for six years, so

819
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: they'd come up with this Mets organization and it kind

820
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: of felt like it could have been their team, and

821
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it wasn't anymore and it

822
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: became a doors team. And then all of a sudden,

823
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: Wan Soto comes in and now it's really not their

824
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: team as much anymore. I'm sure there is just not

825
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: a culture problem. I'm not saying that, but I'm sure

826
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: there is just like a weird juxtaposition of like all

827
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden you look around and the team's not

828
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: really what it ever was.

829
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: It's kind of like how much do you keep one

830
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: of running it back with the exact same core and

831
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to always invoke

832
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: with this team. But I think the line's been said

833
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: enough about wanting to be the Dodgers of the East

834
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: and us feeling like sometimes that's really far away. But

835
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: the way that Dodgers team changed a lot between twenty

836
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: eighteen and twenty twenty two to allow themselves the space

837
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: to again first acquired and extend Mookie Bets and then

838
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: Freddie Freeman, then eventually Otani Cory Walk and he won

839
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: the World Series MVP the next year before they'd actually

840
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: won a real world series themselves.

841
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: Like that is the magic. Pilanzo with World Series MVP

842
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: next year, I will be, but you'll be happy for

843
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: him depressed.

844
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm sorry they conflate that, because I think Corey secrets

845
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: a much much much much much much much much much

846
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: much much much better player than Pilanzo. But like it is,

847
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: sometimes you do have to make those hard decisions, and

848
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: those guys just they play a lot of baseball together. Again,

849
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: not that, like you said, the culture was bad or anything,

850
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: but you also do want to afford the other players

851
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: on your team the chance to grow up a little

852
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: bit and possibly get intose leadership roles. We saw bred

853
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: Baidy as like the headline Mets player who was at

854
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: the Queen's Baseball Convention over the weekend. Like you see

855
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: him with a mike talk about being a Met, talk

856
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: about all the growth he's had.

857
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Bait.

858
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: He might have gotten booed at the Queen's Baseball Convention

859
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: last year before. Sorry, there's a chance that like would

860
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: have booed him when he walked on stage. Not us

861
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: always bred baby believers shot Bret Batty. I love him,

862
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: but like even Francisco Alvarez like coming in as like

863
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: a leader space something that he's been talking.

864
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: He's talked about before too.

865
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: I think where the Mets are gonna go by the

866
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: end of the season, I hope is a lot better

867
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: than what it looks like right now. I think every

868
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: fan has every right to feel nervous and worried and upset,

869
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: but I I am going to blindly trust because also

870
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: I haven't I can't do anything, so we can't do it.

871
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: All I can do is sit back and hope that

872
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: it turns out good because I really have no impact.

873
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: There's also probably just like.

874
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: A little bit of an idea of Again, we mentioned

875
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: this to Hori Polanco on Saturday, why don't just change

876
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: the cocktail in the clubhouse a little bit? Like, I

877
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: don't think it's an accident that when like the first

878
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: two big moves of the off season, I guess for

879
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: position players was bringing Marcus mi and Horriy Planco guys

880
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: who are like Ken definitely good on the field. Marcus

881
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: Mian certainly is years behind him, Horriy Plank. We just

882
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: hope to kind of maintain here the guys who are

883
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: known around the game as the dudes clubhouse, guys like

884
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: go go about their business, do their work, like guys

885
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: who can like be real earnest professionals in that clubhouse.

886
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: We talked about a lot, and we gave the Mets

887
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: credit for this over the last year, but almost the

888
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: entire position player group besides Lindor and so Though, were

889
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: Mets developed. We talked about the fact that when Pete

890
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: and Nimo and to Lester degree McNeil kind of came

891
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: up through this Mets system, you kind of get got

892
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: used to losing. When you were in the Mets minor

893
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: leagues eight years ago, like those were some of the

894
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: worst based on team performance minor league teams every single year.

895
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: The depth of organization was bad.

896
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: Which is honestly incredible how well their actual players turned out.

897
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's great.

898
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: I mean again, metskalthink, Mets rafting has been great for

899
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: a very long time now, shout of Timontanus on the

900
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: on the Rockies now in the Rockets organization. But you

901
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: just need to change things up a little bit, add

902
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: some new guys to the mix, like create a different environment.

903
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: Not that the one before was bad, but I don't

904
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: think it was additive either, based on what's happened in

905
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: the last like four years collectively.

906
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: I think I think it is fair to say let's

907
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: try something different. I think it's fair. It sucks as

908
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: a fans perspective because we love the guys, but I

909
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: can understand it. I don't like it, but I can

910
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: understand it, and.

911
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: That's it's all I can really do.

912
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: So let's let's end the episode with this, James, because

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much all the rumors, right. Yeah.

914
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: I feels like, let's take a look right now at

915
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: the Mets active roster and let's just name some guys

916
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: that we think will not be on this active roster

917
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: by opening day, because I think that's what it is

918
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: ends because we mentioned the trade markets where we think

919
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: the Mets are going to be the most active. So yeah,

920
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: code Asanga is he on this team? Yes? Or no?

921
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: I think you get one of code Asanga or David Peterson,

922
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: but maybe not both.

923
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I.

924
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, yeah, you gotta pick one, you gotta

925
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: pick one, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I think that Sanga stays, Pewsing gets traded, Okay.

927
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: Of the pitching prospects, do you think that one of

928
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: Tong's Brot Christian Scott get moved? And which one if

929
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: you do.

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00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: I'm starting to think none of those guys get most Okay,

931
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: and if there's one that's most likely too, I would say.

932
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Sprote slog of infielders Akunya, Mark Vientos. And I'll even

933
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: throw Brett Baty's name in there, just because I think

934
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: he would be in the package to get a premier player.

935
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, who do you think is gone from that group

936
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: at this point? I'd be shocked if anything won with

937
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: Brett Baity.

938
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: I do think that it crossed the league right now,

939
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: Like Brett Baity is viewed as a guy that's like

940
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: a real piece. I'm not telling if he's a cornerstone,

941
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: that's telling he's a franchise player. But I think a

942
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: lot of baseball teams be better off having Brett Bailey

943
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: on them.

944
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: It's one of the fifteen best third basement in the league.

945
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, probably just a great spot for him to lift.

946
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: Like I think that being said, I think that he stays,

947
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's impossibly gets moved. I would

948
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: be shocked. And I think that Akunya is almost guaranteed gone.

949
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's really a spot for him

950
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: on this team.

951
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: Viento's I keep flip flopping on like every day. I

952
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: have a different opinion if he's gonna be on this

953
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: team next year, right, Like, doesn't it feel like that,

954
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: Like even just getting a big headline on Monday that

955
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: he's Scott Boys is now his age that.

956
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: Almost makes me you're gonna trade him more, I guess.

957
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: But like I also, I'm starting to get myself back

958
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: and on the mark Fiento's redemption tour right now.

959
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why.

960
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: I just got It's like kind of the same thing

961
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: with Brett bay last year. It's like like I like

962
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: buying low, and I think right now is like as

963
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 3: low as you're going to be able to buy.

964
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Mark Fiento's like, I still those for his career.

965
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: He has to be better, otherwise it's going it's going

966
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: to be a career that doesn't last very long.

967
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because as we're bright handed hither with no

968
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: defensive ability and no athleticism whatsoever.

969
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: Like he's like, there's still probably.

970
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: Twenty five homer batan Mark Vento's, but it just probably

971
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: comes with a three ten on base percentage. Yeah, and

972
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: like that that for some teams that's untenable. But for

973
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: a team like the White Sox, who can give someone

974
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: DH reps, for a team like the Cardinals, who can

975
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: kind of just let him grow and see what happens

976
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: with four years of team controlling, Mark Viento's like, there

977
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: probably is.

978
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: Some good legitimate value there.

979
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: Even a team like the Padres who don't have a

980
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: DH right now, he'd be a great DH for them

981
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: if you could tell Mark Viento's like, get the frosted

982
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: tips back.

983
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: And just be our DH.

984
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 3: We're giving me four and to fifty played appearance of

985
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: this year, Like it's gonna be a great time at

986
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: least if you can just mash lefties like he'll have

987
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: a job forever. Kind Of to a degree, yes, but

988
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: I think that going out and signing hore pl goes

989
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: it kind of a shot across about that whole group

990
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: of position players where it's like we're not we just can't,

991
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: we just can't wait on this anymore. Like we want

992
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: a veteran who can play positions and we know can

993
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: hit how many times did we say last year? Just

994
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: any sort of production out of those guys so we

995
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: make the playoffs. It also makes me think back at

996
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: like the poor strategy we had going through the offseason

997
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: last year. We're pitching where I think that David Stearns

998
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: knew that in the future we would get a nice

999
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 3: flow of pitchers that we're gonna come up through and

1000
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 3: we're gonna be confident who're going to be very cheap

1001
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: before the ball under team control and we could trust

1002
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: as depth. But I think he knew that that was

1003
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 3: at least eighteen months, maybe maybe one calendar year away.

1004
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: So you had to jump the market reverse the way

1005
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: I think is going on right now. You had to

1006
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: get volume because if you if the Mets missed on

1007
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: the musical chairs of pitchers last year, he would have

1008
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: just signed wan So though and gone to with a

1009
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: bad rotation.

1010
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Really, it would have been really bad.

1011
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: It would have been much It would have been perceived

1012
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: much worse. It wounded up being horrific anyway. But I

1013
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: do think that there was at least an effort there

1014
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: to be like, let's jump the market now because we

1015
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: don't have we don't have any kind of fallback options.

1016
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: We wound up exactly having no fallback options, and then

1017
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: the primary options also sucked that.

1018
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: I think people felt okay being with the rotation that

1019
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: the Mets came into the season with. They felt like

1020
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: it was not good, but it wasn't the worst in

1021
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: the league. I wind up being one of the worst

1022
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: in the league. And then the last one I'm gonna

1023
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: ask you, there's gonna have to be one more outfielder

1024
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: on this team that's not on the roster right now.

1025
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: Can't pick someone in the organization who's gonna be oddly

1026
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: to my favors. As long as newpar and Luis Robert,

1027
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: I think it winds up being Robert.

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00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I do.

1029
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been so much smoke for so long about this,

1030
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: it just seems like the match.

1031
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want I want Robert.

1032
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know new Bar is like a good player,

1033
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: but I just new Bar feels like a high floor guy,

1034
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: which maybe that's exactly why David Starns would want him,

1035
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: but yet he feels like a higher floor where I

1036
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: don't know what new bar ceiling is. Where like Robert again,

1037
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: if he ever goes back to being like eighty percent

1038
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: of the player that he was, it's like, holy shit.

1039
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: Hey, just like three weeks last year before he got injured.

1040
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: It's just I'm not I'm not gonna pretend you're gonna

1041
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: make consistency there, but like, maybe just give it a shot.

1042
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,920
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00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: down the comments section below.

1044
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,560
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00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,239
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