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Speaker 1: Hi again, everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast, the Can't Keep a good Man

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Speaker 1: Down edition, as we check in with running back Rodney

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Speaker 1: injury that ended his rookie season. Then after I chat

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Speaker 1: with Rodney, I'll talk to Bengals dot Com editor Jeff

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Speaker 1: Butch Hobson, who is among the media members that helped

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Speaker 1: select the players inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Well Ken Anderson, Ken Riley or any other former Bengals

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Speaker 1: I miss that personal interaction. My interview with Jeff Hobson

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Speaker 1: this week was face to face, albeit with masks. It

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Speaker 1: could be a while before that's permitted again with players

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Speaker 1: I will not take that access for granted in the future.

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Speaker 1: Now let's get to this week's guests. My first conversation

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Speaker 1: is with Rodney Anderson, one of Cincinnati's three sixth round

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Speaker 1: back missed his rookie year after tearing his acl in

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Speaker 1: the last five years that he suffered a season ending injury.

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Speaker 1: In his first year with the Sooners, it was a

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Speaker 1: In his second year, Rodney broke a vertebrae in his

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma didn't exactly emphasize the run. In his fourth year.

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Speaker 1: injured again last year. Last month, Rodney posted a video

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Speaker 1: him this week about rebounding from his most recent setback. Roddy,

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Speaker 1: it's been about nine months since your knee injury. How

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Speaker 1: rules for using team facilities were different for players rehabbing

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Speaker 1: and have you returned? I was going up until the

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Speaker 1: They make it really easy to show up and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll just take it as it comes. The Bengals did

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Speaker 1: What have you thought of Team Zoom meetings in the

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed it. Do you miss anything about a normal

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Speaker 1: We're visiting with running back Rodney Anderson. You probably were

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Speaker 1: But what is your reaction to having him in Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: did you think when you watch that playoff game against Oklahoma?

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Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of screaming at the TV,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, what can I do here

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Speaker 1: stuff pretty much Monday through Saturday. I mentioned the Team

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Speaker 1: has used those meetings to address the murder of George Floyd.

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Speaker 1: aside from rehabbing, I mean, aside from training and rehabbing

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Speaker 1: discuss his gardening skills. I'm happy to discuss my gardening

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to be a way better

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna come together. Rodney, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: luck with that garden. Yeah, no problem. Rodney turns twenty

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Speaker 1: If you don't remember that preseason game against the Giants

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Speaker 1: last year, just search for Rodney Anderson on the Bengals

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Speaker 1: modern receiver. The man almost made the Olympic team got

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00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: hands like fly paper. The great Dave Laugham will tell

428
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: you about the game against Cleveland. He caught one ball

429
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: one handed down one side line and the next quarter

430
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: did the same thing with the other hand down the

431
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: other sideline against Cleveland. You know, it's not their fault.

432
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't win this. They got them there,

433
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: and so it's that is a heart I hope people

434
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 1: have got to get past that. NFL teams have not

435
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: been able to have OTA's or mini camps. They've had

436
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: the Zettle for Zoom meetings and you are allowed to

437
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 1: sit in on the defensive line zoom meeting recently. Based

438
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: on that, do you think the Bengals are getting much

439
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: out of these meetings? I am. I am not going

440
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: to start after being in that meeting. I will not

441
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: be starting in that unit. That was the first That's

442
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: the first defensive meeting I've said in since framing himself

443
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: fresh nineteen seventy three. The game has changed a little

444
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: bit since then. Those guys get pretty they get pretty

445
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: into it. I mean, let's face it, it's not as good.

446
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not as good as sitting in

447
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: a meeting and getting all these guys, you know, which

448
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: your miss is a DJ reader, you know, sitting next

449
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: to a Geno Atkins and getting to know him. But

450
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: not only that, but a Carlos Dunlap to go over

451
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: to Khalid Kareem, a rookie and say, hey, you're not

452
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: doing this. You're not doing that now maybe and they really,

453
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, but when you listen to it on tape,

454
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: Nick easton the defensive line coach, he spends time with

455
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: guys that he has to spend time with it. I

456
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: just saw that day's meeting, which lasted about an hour

457
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: and a half. The first twenty five minutes were was

458
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: with the whole defensive line, and then after that Nick

459
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: I stayed with Nick and the tackles, and Gerald his assistant,

460
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Joel Chapman, and Mark Duffner, the senior defensive assistant, went

461
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Speaker 1: with the ends and the same actors. If they can't

462
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: see each other on this thing, you know, and I

463
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: think there are times they might say something to each other.

464
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, but they can. They do have

465
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 1: the ability to do that. Most of it is with

466
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Speaker 1: Nick and the guys. But what's impressive about Nick is

467
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: he'll say to Ryan Glasgow, tell me about Josh Tupo

468
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: on this play son I got Glasgow and Tupo aren't

469
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: in it, you know, and it's not as good. But

470
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: I think back to twenty eleven when that was the lockout.

471
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: It was the debut of the Dan Horde Bengals radio booth,

472
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: and it was the lockout. And it was the thing

473
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: with the lock I always the coaches could not talk

474
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Speaker 1: to players after the draft, and they didn't. They weren't

475
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: able to Jay Gruden wasn't able to talk to a J.

476
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: Green and Andy Dalton together with a playbook until July

477
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: twenty seventh. So yeah, this this isn't great, but you

478
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: know what they've It's been worse, you know. So it's

479
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: amazing what you can accomplish in a zoom meeting. Not perfect,

480
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: especially for a defense that has a potential to have

481
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: seven new starters in that first third down package against

482
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Speaker 1: the Chargers on September thirteenth at the Paul. But I

483
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: think it's it's uh. I think it's helping both veterans

484
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: and rookies. Based on sitting in on that meeting, how

485
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: difficult do you think it would be to have a

486
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: new coaching staff this year, like the Cleveland Browns extremely

487
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: difficult because this game is based so much on relationships.

488
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: You know that, Dan, It's I think any workplace is

489
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: just going into a guy's office, just going next to

490
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: a guy's walker. Yeah, I think it's very difficult for

491
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Speaker 1: for a first year team. That's why you know, a

492
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: lot's being set about the you know, the Bengals about

493
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: having a news but at least they've got it in place,

494
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: and I think it's run pretty smoothly. I don't know now,

495
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: of course, I don't know how the other teams are

496
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: doing it. I imagine this run smoothly. But Zach Taylors

497
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: has had a year too, and of course he hasn't

498
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: been able to prepare for anything like this. Who would,

499
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: but he's a technological savvy guy. A lot of his

500
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: coaching staff is they're young guys. So I think obviously

501
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: they're step up on the Cleveland Browns, you know, Um,

502
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: they're step up on these new on these teams with

503
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: new coaches. But I think it's going to come down

504
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: to it comes down to the play at a quarterback.

505
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: You get a rookie quarterback, you know, so it might

506
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: not matter that they have a new that they have

507
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: a coaching staff with the arm in they still get

508
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. Cleveland has a third year quarterback. So

509
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think in some ways they're both they're

510
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: both at a little bit of a disadvantage. It's kind

511
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: of funny with Zach, although he won't consider this to

512
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: be funny, but we kept saying last year, this will

513
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: be the toughest year you'll ever have to deal with.

514
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: You're new, you lost your number one draft pick before

515
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: the season even began, you lost your best player forty

516
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: five minutes into the first practice. You've got a bizarre

517
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: situation going on with your left tackle, Corty Glen it

518
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: will never be this bad again. And now going into

519
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: his second season, you've got a pandemic unlike anything the

520
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: world has experienced since the early nineteen hundreds, well plus two.

521
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot more than the pandemic going on in

522
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: the league as across the country that they're dealing with that,

523
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: and you know, and it can't be and it can't be,

524
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: and it can't be underestimated. You get, you know, you

525
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: get Joe Burrow is gonna it's gonna be only to

526
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: be the second time, which to me is amazing. Only

527
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: the second time in history that a Bengals rookie quarterback

528
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: gets a home start, starts his career with a home start.

529
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: It hasn't been done in forty years, So that's amazing

530
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: to me. It's also quite a challenge. It's also very

531
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Speaker 1: intriguing because this guy Burrow, he says all the right things,

532
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: he does all the right things. He's seamless. He's seamless, Joe,

533
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, and on and off the field. So I

534
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: can't wait. I mean, I can't wait to see the guy.

535
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: And his energy seems to have you can already tell

536
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: his energy seems to have provided a little bit of

537
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: a jolt offensively. What you've been covering this franchise for

538
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: a long time, is the excitement generated by Joe Burrow

539
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: different from previous high draft picks. Yes, I hate to,

540
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, sound like a bandwagon guy, but I think

541
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: we live in a different era too, you know, and

542
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: everything gets hyped, you know, I mean every guy, I mean,

543
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: every story gets hyped. There are stories that get hyped

544
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: today that twenty years ago I couldn't get it in

545
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: the paper. They would have said, butch hold that on,

546
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: hold that for tomorrow's notes or run it Sunday. You know.

547
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: Now it's a in the news cycle, it's seventeen minutes,

548
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: it's trending on Twitter, you know. So we're in a

549
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: different world. And so I think the hype is people

550
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: are pumped up. Then you bag the fy it by

551
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: the fact fan base hasn't had anything to follow. They

552
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: haven't been able to follow the rids, they haven't been

553
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: able to follow anything or do anything. It's been they've

554
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: been they've been locked up in their houses and all

555
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: they've been reading about is Joe Burrow. So I think

556
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: you multiply that, and yeah, this guy is you know,

557
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: he's a combination of Sinatra and you know, Babe Ruth

558
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: and you know, the poor guy. I mean, you know,

559
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: it's just Joe Burrow out of Athens, Ohio, you know.

560
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: And I hope that's how everybody treats him. But the

561
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: hype is amazing, and it's not his fault. It's he

562
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: happened to be born and you know, he happened to

563
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: be born into a rookie year in twenty twenty, which

564
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: is an eight nineteen ninety anymore. Earlier this week, the

565
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: team held meetings to discuss the murder of George Floyd

566
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: and the efforts to fight racism that have emerged. Since

567
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: You've talked to several players about those meetings. What took

568
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: place in those meetings? I think Cordy was basically Zach

569
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: gave them the opportunity he gave the player saying, the

570
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: coaches just the opportunity to talk, what was on their mind,

571
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: what would they like to be said, just to just talk.

572
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: It didn't matter what, it didn't matter what was it about?

573
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: Was it your experiences? Was it? Was it what you

574
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: would like to see done? What are your thoughts about it?

575
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: And that wasn't just h and that just wasn't uh

576
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: confined to the African American players, you know, the African

577
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: American players, the guys I talked to, they seemed to

578
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: draw support from their white teammates. Um So I think

579
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: basically what was it? It was one of those things

580
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: they threw the meeting open and what would be would

581
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: be you know, and it was as Sean Williams said,

582
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, raw, it was emotional. You know, you get

583
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Nick Eason telling as he told its

584
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: deep dark secrets from his from his past. You know,

585
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,239
Speaker 1: that's pretty personal. That's pretty that's pretty emotional, and uh,

586
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: I think it was a from what from what the

587
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: guys said that I talked to, I talked to I

588
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: talked to probably about three or four and talked to

589
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: coach Eason, and my sense was that there was a

590
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: bit of relief. There was not only there was not

591
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: only you know, kind of a thankfulness that they were

592
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: able to do that and get it out on the table.

593
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: I think they were this has been stuff they've been

594
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: had bottled up for not only years, but for two weeks.

595
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: And like Sean said, you know, we have been you know,

596
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: we're only we've been we've been pent up and said

597
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: I haven't only we've been around the same people, you know,

598
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: we haven't really been able to vent. Anybody was an

599
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to vent, as Nick Eason said, to your brothers,

600
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: so that they sounded I mean, I was very personal,

601
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: very emotional, and I think Glasgow really hit the right

602
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: note when he said, this is what every company in

603
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: America should be doing, you know, And it was really

604
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: it was really Uh, one of the more emotional stories

605
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I wrote I had. It made me text Willie Anderson

606
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: and to and to thank him because he told me

607
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: something about the way I characterized Justin Smith and the

608
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: way I characterized Pew to Warwick, and I didn't realize

609
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: I was doing it, and uh, but he felt it

610
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: was kind of it was a little bit I hadn't

611
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of had made a racial stereotype and I didn't

612
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: even realize him. I'll never forget it. And as I

613
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: was writing that story, I thought, you know, I want

614
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: to thank Willy for doing that because I often think

615
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: about that conversation. And then, uh, he called me when

616
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: he saw the text, and he really gave it to

617
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: me pretty good. But it's always good to always good

618
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: to hear from Willie, you know. But you know, I

619
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: was kind of me, you know. And then I asked

620
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the guys too, I said, what can I do? What

621
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: can I How can I help you? How can I help?

622
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: And they were great, they said yeah. I think they

623
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: basically the message was keep talking, you know, see what

624
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: you you know, if you see something I don't think

625
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: is right, say it, you know. So I thought it

626
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: was great. Paul Brown helped break the color barrier in

627
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: professional sports in the nineteen forties when he signed Maryon

628
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Motley and Bill Willis in Cleveland. Tommy Smith, who famously

629
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: did a black power salute during the national anthem in

630
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty eight Olympics, played for the Bengals the

631
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: following year. So the Brown family has a long history

632
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: of fighting discrimination and they are taking action this time around. Yeah,

633
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great point about Tommy Smith. I

634
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: mean he signed him, Paul signed him after the Mexico

635
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: City Olympics that when he went to the podium and

636
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: shared the Black Powers with John Carlos. I believe, and yeah,

637
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: I think the uh, the big thing with the Browns

638
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: is they've they've committed U that the families, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: social justice initiatives. It's a program that was begun two

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Speaker 1: years ago. They want to expand on it. They want

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Speaker 1: to make it better. They want to get more feedback

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Speaker 1: from the players to see what other activities they can

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Speaker 1: go into. I know it's a guy who was here,

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Speaker 1: Michael Johnson, who has retired since, was a big believer

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Speaker 1: in this about getting the youth to to you know,

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Speaker 1: to interact with law enforcement at a young age to

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Speaker 1: break down those barriers. You know, they're looking at you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they're looking at stuff like that, and you

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Speaker 1: know they're looking to take the initiative a little you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean a step further than the last time, and

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Speaker 1: by getting a lot of input from the players. So

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Speaker 1: it's a it's an ongoing conversation. You know. Even though

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Speaker 1: the Bengals made the announcement, I think on Saturday, the

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Speaker 1: players met Monday. This isn't stopping. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be an ongoing thing, and it'd be something to watch

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Speaker 1: the as, not just this year, but as the years developed.

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Speaker 1: All Right, final question, I'm gonna end this with the

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Speaker 1: first question that I asked Dave Lappham last week when

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Speaker 1: we spoke. It's early June. How confident are you that

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Speaker 1: the NFL season will begin on schedule. I'm confident because

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Speaker 1: the league seems pretty confident. They're going full speed ahead,

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Speaker 1: you know. So I think we're gonna play. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it's gonna look like. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know where you're gonna be during the game. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where I'm gonna be during the game. I would

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Speaker 1: imagine you're going to be in the booth. I guess,

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Speaker 1: but I think these are all things that need to

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Speaker 1: be worked out. Is number of fans, number of media.

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Speaker 1: You know. My opinion is I don't think we'll have

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Speaker 1: an open locker room. I don't think we'll have an

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Speaker 1: open media locker room this year. So not that probably

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Speaker 1: fans probably don't care about that, But that's just stuff

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Speaker 1: that's kind of It's gonna come with the territory. How

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Speaker 1: many people are gonna travel on the plane with them,

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Speaker 1: how many people are they gonna want on a bus?

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Speaker 1: What what is the traveling party gonna look like? So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of things to

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Speaker 1: be hammered out. The only thing the only thing that

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Speaker 1: I seem to know is they're trying like hell to

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Speaker 1: play September thirteenth. So I would imagine, given that they

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Speaker 1: have been full speed ahead like this, I would imagine

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Speaker 1: we will. I just don't know who's going to be

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Speaker 1: watching it and who's going to be covering it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know I'll be covering it. I just don't know where.

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Speaker 1: This is the first interview I've done in age is

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Speaker 1: that wasn't done over the telephone or on a zoom call.

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Speaker 1: We have stayed socially distant. We are wearing masks. We

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Speaker 1: have warned them throughout. We are going to reapply the

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Speaker 1: sanitizer to our hands momentarily. And I enjoyed this very much.

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Speaker 1: Butch thanks so much for the time, Cordie. It's always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. It's great to see a safe and sound

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Speaker 1: and can't wait to hear those golden tones saying the

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Speaker 1: ball is kicked off. Hi. Thanks to Rodney Anderson and

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Speaker 1: Jeff Hobson. And that's going to do it for this

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