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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are live at the courthouse, Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Odds even Shawn Combs will spend no time behind bars,

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Speaker 1: and Shawn Combs will spend life behind bars. But guess what,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what the book you say. It's all

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Speaker 1: down to twelve gurrars. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. We are headed into a verdict.

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Speaker 2: Watch out the Blue, the defensive we rest our case.

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Speaker 1: This isn't even a trial of did did he do it?

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Speaker 1: It's just a trial of will he be held accountable.

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Speaker 3: He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.

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Speaker 3: He is out there promoting it, and I predict and

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing.

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Speaker 1: Let's go straight to the courthouse. Standing by is Tisa Tale,

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Speaker 1: star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. It's my understanding that early early this morning,

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Speaker 1: leading into closing statements, Shawn com looked like he was

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Speaker 1: quote walking on air. What the courtroom was shocked.

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Speaker 4: This man came floating in on air, twinkle toes, just

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Speaker 4: dancing in two.

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Speaker 5: We have never seen this man in a better mood.

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Speaker 4: Everything that's happened the attempted charges that have been dropped

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Speaker 4: from the jury verdict. They have him in the best

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Speaker 4: of spirits. This is a man that thinks he's going

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Speaker 4: to walk away. This is a man that thinks his

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Speaker 4: twenty million dollars law team did their job. This is

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Speaker 4: a man that thinks he has avoided.

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Speaker 1: Justice tasted tails. Tell me what else happened in the

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Speaker 1: courtroom today.

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Speaker 4: What happened in court today literally shocked to everyone. The

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Speaker 4: prosecution came in strong. They made a clear, concise case.

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Speaker 4: Did he who seem to be walking on air walking

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Speaker 4: in You saw his body language slump?

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Speaker 1: They made such an excellent case.

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Speaker 4: To actually map out and hold our hands like we

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Speaker 4: were three year olds that needed help across the street.

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Speaker 4: What the Colms enterprise was, how he commanded and controlled

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Speaker 4: everything and everybody, and how they were nothing but an

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Speaker 4: apparatus made to fulfill every sexual deviant desire he had.

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Speaker 1: It really came together today in court. At the beginning

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Speaker 1: they refer to Sean Combe's well as Slavic. Slavik refers

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Speaker 1: to Shawn Combs as the head of a criminal enterprise

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Speaker 1: and someone who quote doesn't take no for an answer,

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Speaker 1: jury responded. That's what Slavic said straight out of the gate.

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Speaker 4: She said, he doesn't take no for an answer, and

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Speaker 4: he wants what he wants. Once she said that, she

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Speaker 4: went into a list of all the predicate crimes. She said, kidnapping, arson,

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Speaker 4: forced labor, was sexual assault, brivery, sex trapping, sex trafficking

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Speaker 4: that was forced and manipulated these women. And when that happened,

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Speaker 4: she went in like a battling ramp and the jury

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Speaker 4: was up. The jury was taking attention. They had their

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Speaker 4: locked in. The prosecution woke the jury up and they

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Speaker 4: couldn't get enough taste of tales.

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Speaker 1: Slavic did something I think was brilliant. She almost immediately

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Speaker 1: took the jury to two of the most violent attacks

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Speaker 1: Of course, one has to be a Cassie Ventura's attack

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Speaker 1: there's video evidence. You don't have to just take her

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Speaker 1: to the jury to the moment that Jane not her

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Speaker 1: What were they doing?

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Speaker 4: She showed a screenshot at the moment we saw Cassie

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Speaker 4: you to two moments eight years apart, but with the

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Speaker 4: same pattern, done by the same man.

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Speaker 1: The jury was leaned in.

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Speaker 4: They described how Cassie was brutally beaten and stumped. She

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Speaker 4: Let us see the pictures of Jane, but they put

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Speaker 4: They showed us a screenshot of Jane's testimony where they

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Speaker 1: Taste of tails. How is Sean Colmes reacting to this?

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Speaker 1: What does he say as the prosecutor is regurgitating all

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Speaker 4: I honestly think that the jury's reaction showed us the

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Speaker 1: There was still a faint smile.

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Speaker 4: He was looking over in the prosecutor's direction, in the

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Speaker 1: Looking like he did not care.

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Speaker 4: However, once they put a screenshot of Cassie's bat beating

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Speaker 1: She went through, boom boom, boom.

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Speaker 4: Rapid fire of everything he's being charged with, leaving no doubt,

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Speaker 4: he all of a sudden just looked straight.

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Speaker 1: He looked down. Then I believe he got nudgs.

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Speaker 5: He looks Jrad again, and after that he rarely looked

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Speaker 1: Jury the whole time.

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Speaker 4: But what do you do when somebody is literally outlining

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Speaker 1: You know another thing that Christy Slavic did that I

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Speaker 1: thought was also brilliant. I hate when lawyers simply vomit

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Speaker 1: that nobody knows what they're talking about unless you went

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Speaker 1: to Harvard law school. For Pete's sake. She really broke

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Speaker 1: down what Rico means a conspiracy, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: quote what she said. The concept is simple. When someone

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Speaker 1: commits a crime as part of a group, the law

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Speaker 1: calls it an enterprise, and that makes them Sean Combs

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Speaker 1: more powerful and dangerous. You know, over and over Tisa tales,

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Speaker 1: we heard the same thread going through all of the

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Speaker 1: up at all of Coms's minions is said, can't you

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Speaker 1: see what's happening? And they tacitly, nonverbally condoned what Combes

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Speaker 5: That was an incredibly powerful moment.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Slavic said, he's already a rich and powerful man,

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Speaker 4: and the enterprise made him more powerful and more dangerous.

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Speaker 4: When they heard that, you saw a few jurors uncross

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Speaker 4: It's almost like the prosecution at taking their kid gloves off,

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Speaker 4: and they were leaving the jurors with no doubt.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to connect the dots.

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Speaker 5: Again, a lot of shifting, a lot of rubbing the faces.

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Speaker 4: A lot of leaning in, taking furious notes, looking closely

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Speaker 5: They had the jury with their closings.

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Speaker 1: Another important cord this Slavic struck during her closing argument,

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Speaker 1: which commenced early this morning, is that Sean Combs has

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Speaker 1: been clothed in respectability, in celebrity, in billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: people at his beck and call. But she pointed out

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Speaker 1: that for all the fame, wealth, power and privilege, he

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Speaker 1: is not above the law and he's not Remember that

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Speaker 1: quote Tisa TLS where one minion says to the other,

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Speaker 1: how the jury responded to her argument.

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Speaker 4: His enterprise, and the way she said the word enterprise

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Speaker 4: that was dripping with disdain. Their only goal was promoting

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Speaker 4: they enabled him to commit crimes. When she said that

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Speaker 4: the jury furiously taking notes. They even looked over at

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Speaker 4: where all his loyal supporters and family were sitting and

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Speaker 4: protecting him from law enforcement. When they said that, a

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Speaker 4: few juror's brows actually furied. It's almost like they were

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Speaker 4: cutting through all of the bs from the last four

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Speaker 5: Cutting through to what the heart of this case was.

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Speaker 1: And it became clear to everyone.

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Speaker 4: I think even Sean Diddycombs that he is not going

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Speaker 1: This Tasta tales. What exactly did Slavic say about Shawn

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Speaker 1: Combs's wealth, fame, and privilege.

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Speaker 5: What she talked about was in a fan swoop. She

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Speaker 4: The reason why some of these assistants that got immunity

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Speaker 1: Saying, I think Sean Colmes is a great man. He

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Speaker 1: taught me so much.

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Speaker 4: Because she called the menias foot soldiers, young naive kids

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Speaker 6: But she pointed out Brendan Paul got paid one hundred

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Speaker 4: But also in that moment, they firmly put the onus

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Speaker 4: and they were the enterprise and everybody else no matter

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Speaker 1: Standing by outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Tisa Tels closing

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Speaker 1: arguments for the state commenced this morning. And the fallout

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Speaker 1: has been spectacular, Tisa Tels. I found it very interesting,

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Speaker 1: and this is important that Slovak kept referring to Shawn

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Speaker 1: them going into hotel rooms after free coughs and cleaning

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Speaker 1: mean it was rank. The hotels that we have talked about,

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Speaker 1: as we've talked about many times, would charge up to

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Speaker 1: forty seven thousand dollars to clean a room after a

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Speaker 1: free cough. That would be a minion that would do that, right,

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Speaker 1: And she talked about that enclosing arguments, didn't she tisa.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, now that was a brilliant visual display. She

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Speaker 4: referred to the security as Lieutenant. She named them all

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Speaker 4: Fahim de Rock Uncle PAULI Rooves said that they were

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Speaker 4: armed and ready. Okay, they said, remember David James, remember

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Speaker 1: Flying down the hill.

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Speaker 5: It was an amazing, amazing image to just say that, no,

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Speaker 5: this was a real criminal organization.

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Speaker 1: But they didn't stop there.

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Speaker 4: They then show the pictures of the guns and the magazines,

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Speaker 4: saying there were two AR fifteens with serial numbers filed off.

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Speaker 1: There were rifles with serial numbers filed off.

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Speaker 1: And then they went back to his workers. They said,

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Speaker 5: Maybe the workers didn't know the flunkyes do minions.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If I was KK and anybody that was part of

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Speaker 1: Be very, very worried.

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Speaker 5: Right now because the government has called you out.

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Speaker 1: Were alive at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where it's all

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Speaker 4: What exactly If you were dumb enough to bet against

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Speaker 4: the Southern District of New York did not come to play.

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Speaker 4: I've been in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: They've done amazing.

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Speaker 4: But these idiots that want to buy a ticket to

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Speaker 1: But again, these.

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Speaker 4: Might just be the delusions of a madman who really

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Speaker 1: Joining me. Joshua Ridder, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, or,

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Speaker 1: star off Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Joshua Ridder. I never

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Speaker 7: Listen, you gotta have confidence, right. If you don't have confidence,

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Speaker 1: Settled, okay, in addition to a so called victory resurrection

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Speaker 1: throughout the day today in the show Him sex trafficking trial.

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Speaker 1: I understand there's a big July the fourth party planned,

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Speaker 4: Didny's team again, I don't know if they have smuggled

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Speaker 5: They have convinced him that he is coming home, and that.

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Speaker 4: They have mounted such a strong case and poke holes

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Speaker 4: defies logic that even if you sat to the summary

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Speaker 1: In time whether they decide not.

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Speaker 4: Guilty or guilty to have them home safely. But again,

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Speaker 4: time will tell. But Diddy, as he listened, there's a

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Speaker 1: We will see.

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Speaker 5: But right now, this is a man that swears he

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Speaker 8: Word is Shawn Combs isn't the only one who believes

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Speaker 8: he will walk free. Kanye West is apparently chomping at

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Speaker 8: The rapper's plan has some serious flaws, including the possibility

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about closing arguments as they are going down

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Speaker 1: in the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Throughout today, Tasa tells who

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Speaker 4: Agnophilial is in charge of closing for the defense. He

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Speaker 4: has respected the ball, shucks, your honor. This is my

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Speaker 4: first day in federal court. However, it might be effective.

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Speaker 4: The male jurors around Mark's as seem to be very

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Speaker 4: recepted to him, and even when he's made his arguments

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Speaker 5: I think it was very strategic looking at the way the.

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Speaker 4: Jury sees the reflection in Mark to a certain point,

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Speaker 4: It's going to be interesting to see how much actually

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Speaker 1: Okay to Josh Ritter, joining US criminal defense attorney. It's

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Speaker 1: not like you can pass it off like in football

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a run. It doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 1: One attorney is in charge of closing statements. You can't

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Speaker 7: Explain no You're absolutely right, and it's not a surprise

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Speaker 7: that it's Agnifilo. He's the more experienced, he's the more

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Speaker 7: less experienced attorneys. He's paid big money. He expects that

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Speaker 7: Agnifigelow wouldn't have it any other way either. Here's the

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Speaker 7: it through the one yard line. That's going to be Agnifilo.

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Speaker 7: So you're absolutely right. One attorney, one chance, And I'm

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Speaker 7: not surprised that it.

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Speaker 1: Was him, you know, a very very surprised that Agnifilo

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Speaker 1: chose himself. He's the lead defense attorney, he's the one

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Speaker 1: to make this decision. Chose himself after his very disturbing

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Speaker 1: performance with our friend Harvey Levin regarding what else the

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Speaker 1: baby oil Listen, they call them freak offs.

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Speaker 9: But you know, back when I was a kid in

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Speaker 7: If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a

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Speaker 7: thousand bottles of baby oil?

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Speaker 9: I don't know where the number one thousand came.

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Speaker 7: The US attorney said it.

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Speaker 9: I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, you know, and

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Speaker 9: I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to

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Speaker 7: They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what you need.

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Speaker 9: A thousand one bottle of baby oil goes a long way.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you need to need a thousand for.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he has a big house. He buys in bulk,

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Speaker 9: you know. I think they have costcos in every place

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Speaker 7: Not a thousand bottles of baby oil?

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Speaker 8: I don't think was a thousand.

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Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was a let's

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Speaker 1: just say it's a lot, okay, As he lost his mind,

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Speaker 1: that's when our friend's over at TMZ Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy grace back to teas of tail standing out in

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Speaker 1: But that's Agnifilio. He couldn't even hold up to softball

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Speaker 4: You, I am salivating at seeing Mark Agnfilial do his

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Speaker 4: there across from Harvey. Harvey, I don't know why baby

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Speaker 1: Again, it's an interesting choice, it's an odd choice.

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Speaker 4: But as somebody that is waiting for Diddy to get justice.

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Speaker 1: I welcome this. Bravo. Mark Bravo.

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Speaker 5: I hope he does another TMD level performance.

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Speaker 10: Hey, I really don't know what's going on with you,

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Speaker 10: but I just want to just give your heads up

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Speaker 10: that I'm about to really disappear on you. You feel me,

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Speaker 10: I'm not going to be playing these games with you

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Speaker 10: at all at all. So I don't know. You think

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Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying. I'm telling you, I ain't

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Speaker 10: that right now, I don't have no time for no games,

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Speaker 10: baby girl. Me and you can be mad, I can

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Speaker 10: have a spat, we can have whatever. Then after that,

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Speaker 10: that's all it is, because you got me on my job. Nah,

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Speaker 10: it ain't gonna it ain't never gonna work like that

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Speaker 1: So how do you you?

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Speaker 10: me just keep moving. Ain't no threat. I'm just being clear.

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Speaker 10: I can't do this with you. Every time you get upset.

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Speaker 1: Get on your job, Get on your job and get

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Speaker 1: kiss my hard working rear end. How dare he tell

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Speaker 1: It makes me so mad. I think I'll get you

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Speaker 1: a nail in half. It brings tears in my eyes

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Speaker 1: as well, because I have represented women as have you,

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Speaker 1: that have been beaten and coerced and to up to

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Speaker 1: their driver's license, their cell phone, all sorts, all manners

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Speaker 1: explain it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nancy, that's the problem. The public as a whole

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing it is. Let me break it

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Speaker 2: has a new boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: He showers her.

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Speaker 2: With love and gifts, and it may be good for

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Speaker 2: a day or two, or even a month or two,

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Speaker 2: and then it turns into, oh you know.

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Speaker 1: Baby, girl, you love me, you'll do this for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little short on the rent, I need a

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Speaker 2: car payment, I need a.

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Speaker 1: New Gucci bill. If you'll love me, you'll do it

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Speaker 1: just this once.

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Speaker 2: This is what we hear a lot, and they do

448
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Speaker 2: it the once because they think they're in this love

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Speaker 2: relationship right and again, I want to remind everybody, mostly

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Speaker 2: very vulnerable girls and women. Okay, fast forward. Then it

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Speaker 2: becomes a little more hardcore and they're forced into full

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Speaker 2: blown sex trafficking. This is sexual servitude. Everybody has to

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Speaker 2: understand what the dirty ditty case and the public has

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Speaker 2: to understand. And I'm praying that this jury, if they

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Speaker 2: understand nothing about a pimp Romeo, they will keep thinking

456
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Speaker 2: about that Cassie video of being knocked down drag barefoot

457
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Speaker 2: running to the elevator. That will remain in their minds

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Speaker 2: as well. As get on your job. That says to me,

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking. So we have to do a better job

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Speaker 2: as a society in educating the public to intervene and

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Speaker 2: prevent any new victims, and to hold this dirty ditty

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Speaker 2: once and for all accountable too. Some form of sex trafficking, sex,

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Speaker 2: labor trafficking again, force fraud, coercion. I'm seeing it all

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Speaker 2: over the place. He's guilty in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's exactly as you just said. I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to what Jane, not her real name, said,

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Speaker 1: speaking of the pimp Romeo tactic of coercion. Listen.

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Speaker 11: Jane agreed to have sex with Don, believing she was

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Speaker 11: fulfilling a fantasy for her boyfriend and it would not

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Speaker 11: be regular, but compares her first yes to opening Pandora's box.

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Speaker 11: She could not close. Every meeting after involves sex with

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Speaker 11: another man. Jane protested to hotel nights verbally and in writing,

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Speaker 11: but each time Combs threatened to break up with her

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Speaker 11: and withdraw his financial support.

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Speaker 1: And even though Seawn comes correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Sidney Summer, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter also on

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Speaker 1: the trial, Shawn comes lawyers tried to pretend, Hey, they

478
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Speaker 1: didn't know that these women repeatedly said, I don't want

479
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Speaker 1: to do this, I don't want to do this, to

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Speaker 1: the point where Cassie Venturia was actually dragged back physically

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Speaker 1: to a freak off by a bodyguard. Is that not coercion?

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Speaker 1: Have I lost my mind? But they tried to pretend

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Speaker 1: that Colmes didn't know the women were unwilling. Sidney Sumner

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Speaker 1: exactly what they.

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Speaker 12: Argued in court, trying to finalize the instructions that the

486
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Speaker 12: jury was here. They said that they have not proved

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Speaker 12: that Combs had the men's raya for all of this

488
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Speaker 12: to have been a crime. They said that the women

489
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Speaker 12: never told Colmbs in person or in writing that they

490
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Speaker 12: did not want to participate in these freak offs, and

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Speaker 12: it's simply just not true. Nancy Jane said this multiple times.

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Speaker 12: We saw in her own text multiple times that she

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Speaker 12: frequently expressed that she did not want to participate. She

494
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Speaker 12: did not want to do these things. She was upset

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Speaker 12: about it. And Jane also.

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Speaker 1: Had to testify to the fact.

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Speaker 12: That other women particularly bothered her because she knew that

498
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Speaker 12: Colmes was seeing other people, other women, and they were

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Speaker 12: not hacking to do what she was asking to do

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Speaker 12: to have time with her boyfriend. They weren't being locked

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Speaker 12: in a hotel room for a week at a time,

502
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Speaker 12: only she was, and she particularly felt that this was

503
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Speaker 12: something she was constantly pushed to do against her will.

504
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Speaker 12: And they signed a contract. Nancy, that's just insanity to me.

505
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Speaker 12: They signed a love contract. Holmes obviously thought that he

506
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Speaker 12: was paying James rent in exchange for her having sex

507
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Speaker 12: with an escort anytime he wanted her to.

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Speaker 3: I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the chom.

509
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Speaker 3: That's why he had a career.

510
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Speaker 1: She still thought he was running.

511
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: Was charming, he was funny, he was witty. Puffy plays

512
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: this game really well, and he's been playing it for

513
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Speaker 3: a very long time.

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Speaker 1: I think this might be the limit of his star power,

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Speaker 1: and he's playing it right now in front of a jury.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the day, we have been listening to closing arguments

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Speaker 1: by the state. The defense closing arguments will commence Tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: Repeat Friday morning, the defense closing arguments will begin. They

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Speaker 1: project a four hour closing argument that will be followed

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Speaker 1: by the judge's charges to the jury. What are charges?

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Speaker 1: That is, when the judge literally reads and the judge

522
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Speaker 1: must read it. One slip of the tongue. And I've

523
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Speaker 1: had this happen to me. One slip of the tongue

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Speaker 1: by the judge. If they add lib bad, that's reversible error.

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Speaker 1: So the judge will literally be reading the law to

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Speaker 1: the jury, the law by which they are to judge

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Speaker 1: and decide this case. What is that?

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Speaker 13: I mean?

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Speaker 1: They will hear a charge about what is reasonable doubt?

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Speaker 1: What is the burden of proof? What is a reasonable doubt?

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Speaker 1: It is not proving the case to a mathematical certainty

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Speaker 1: such as two and two equals four. It is a

533
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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. And I don't mean a doubt like, hey,

534
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Speaker 1: maybe little green men from Mars flew in and conducted

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Speaker 1: the freak offs. Could that happen? Yes? Did it happen?

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Speaker 1: Probably no, it probably did not happen. So all of

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Speaker 1: these legal theories must be explained to the jury, and yes,

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Speaker 1: they zone out during that. Imagine sitting in a warm

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Speaker 1: courtroom while the judge literally reads about thirty pages of

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Speaker 1: the law. It's really hard think about after you have

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Speaker 1: lunch and you want to take a nap, but you can't.

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Speaker 1: And then they're in the courtroom. Everything gets all warm

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Speaker 1: and cozy. There's no distraction. The judge is droning on

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Speaker 1: and on. Yeah, they're going to zone out. This is

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Speaker 1: why I believe the jury charges are important, Sidney Sumner,

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Speaker 1: I need you on this because the state got a

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Speaker 1: very important charge during closing arguments. Both lawyers Magnifilo for

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Speaker 1: the defense Slavic for the state, will say you will

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Speaker 1: hear the judge state the law. On x yesterday, the

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Speaker 1: state argued and got a charge that the sex Act

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Speaker 1: did not have to be completed for coercion into sex

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Speaker 1: to be shown. They are putting all their money back

553
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Speaker 1: to Vegas Odds. Sidney Sumner on Cassie Ventura. And this

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Speaker 1: is why I said in that video, if the state

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Speaker 1: can prove that in that one video the Intercontinental Hotel

556
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Speaker 1: beat down, in this one video, she was dragged back

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Speaker 1: to a free cough, which we know she was because

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Speaker 1: when security got there, there was another man there. He

559
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Speaker 1: was a sex worker, and her testimony is that this

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Speaker 1: was a free cough, right, and he didn't take the

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Speaker 1: stand to rebut it. She was dragged back to the room.

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Speaker 1: But at that time, Sydney, she got her bags and left,

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Speaker 1: so the state got the charge. The jury is going

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Speaker 1: to be told, Sydney that the sex act did not

565
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Speaker 1: have to be completed. So, Sidney, what I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: explain is that if the jury believes she was beaten

567
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Speaker 1: and dragged back to a free cough, that shows coercion,

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Speaker 1: and coercion shows sex trafficking. So if this one instance

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Speaker 1: is proven, the state has met its burden. Bam explain

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Speaker 1: the jury charge, Sidney Sumner that the state got yesterday.

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Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, in addition to what you mentioned, they also

572
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Speaker 12: got in that previous consent does not mean that a

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Speaker 12: victim was not later trafficked. So I think both of

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Speaker 12: those go hand in hand and are very important in

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Speaker 12: showing that just because the actual sex act didn't happen,

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Speaker 12: and just because they may have said yes to this

577
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Speaker 12: the first time, doesn't mean that later on combs did

578
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Speaker 12: not traffic them. And I think they really have met

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Speaker 12: their burden of proof. Me And see, we've seen all

580
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Speaker 12: of these text messages, all of these protests, all of

581
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Speaker 12: these gentle rebuttals. So even before Casey was dragged back

582
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Speaker 12: into this whole teleroom because Colm didn't want her to leave,

583
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Speaker 12: this freak off She even mentioned, Hey, I have my

584
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 12: movie premiere Monday. I don't really want to do this,

585
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 12: and Combs went forward with it anyway. Cole's had an

586
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 12: extreme level of control over Caffy's entire career, and he

587
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 12: seemed to want to roll her under the bus and

588
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Speaker 12: push her down and make sure that she wasn't being

589
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Speaker 12: successful without him so that he could continue to leverage

590
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Speaker 12: this control over her. She discussed having hundreds of unreleased songs.

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Speaker 12: She called it busy work. Colin just kept her not

592
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Speaker 12: enough that she thought that he would actually help her career,

593
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Speaker 12: and that explained part of the reason that she was

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Speaker 12: still with him ten years later.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace What I Mean Now Special

596
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: gues Joseph Jaqueline, former NYPD sergeant, author of the Cold

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Speaker 1: Case Handbook and The Criminal Investigative Function, a guide for

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Speaker 1: new investigators, and he is the star of a podcast,

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Speaker 1: True Crime with the Serge. Thank you Joseph for being

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Speaker 1: with us. You know what's interesting. Shawn Combs is planning

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Speaker 1: his victory tour, as Kanye calls it his resurrection tour.

602
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: The Family Shawn Comes. His family is preparing a post

603
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Speaker 1: trial to be released date documentary of how he has

604
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Speaker 1: suffered throughout this, Shawn, how Shawn Combs has suffered throughout this.

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00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: There is a block party planned, There is a July

606
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Speaker 1: fourth party planned for when Combs gets released. The bookies

607
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: in Vegas are betting against the state. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: I ain't giving up, Jackie. I'm not giving up because

609
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: I believe the state has proven its case against a

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Speaker 1: very very popular, a very very wealthy celebrity. And it

611
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: tastes like a dirt sandwich to think he could get

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Speaker 1: away with all the beatings, all the threats, the car bombings,

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Speaker 1: the bribing, the extortion. It's almost more than I can take.

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Speaker 1: Because you know what, Joseph, he's no different than a

615
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Speaker 1: pimp at the corner of Broadway that beats a woman

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Speaker 1: to go turn tricks. He's no different. Jackeloges, No, he's

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Speaker 1: not Nancy.

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Speaker 14: And I was always taught, you know, you don't put

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Speaker 14: the cart before the horse, and I think that's exactly

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Speaker 14: what's happening here. I mean, listen, I think that the

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Speaker 14: prosecution has a very strong defense. And listen, I wouldn't

622
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Speaker 14: bet against the federal government. They just don't walk into

623
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Speaker 14: these and saying, you know anything, willy nilly. They usually

624
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Speaker 14: have a very strong case.

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Speaker 8: They have the.

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Speaker 14: Full backing of them and they have videos, they have testimony,

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Speaker 14: they have eyewitnesses, they have so many different aspects going

628
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Speaker 14: for them. They've both circumstantial evidence, direct evidence, you name it,

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Speaker 14: they have it. It's about the presentation, it's about what

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Speaker 14: the jury is going to believe. Of course, in the

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Speaker 14: long run, my only concern is that butting up against

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Speaker 14: the July fourth weekend where court's going to be closed,

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Speaker 14: So you know, you don't if they get it Monday,

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Speaker 14: you're looking at maybe Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I hope

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Speaker 14: that they're not going to try to rush things to

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Speaker 14: get it done before the holiday. That's always a concern.

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Speaker 1: Siddy Summer. Before I throw this to doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: could you please explain what we heard early early this

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Speaker 1: morning when the lead defense attorney, Mark Magniffolo came in

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Speaker 1: the court room and tested the mics. He sang copa cabana.

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Speaker 12: Apparently he started out for a name Lozola to try

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Speaker 12: and this mic. He shouldn't need it to give any

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Speaker 12: of his statements today, but he may need to object,

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Speaker 12: so I don't know if that is a sign if

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Speaker 12: that means something that they're feeling extremely confident going into

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Speaker 12: closing arguments. But that seems a pretty relaxed way to

647
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Speaker 12: test that mic.

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Speaker 1: You know what, doctor, Bethany, Even people here on my

649
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Speaker 1: studio actually laughed just then. I have a completely different reaction.

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Speaker 1: I want to cry because it's all just a big joke.

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Speaker 1: It's just a big joke. And you know what, for

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Speaker 1: all of you producers sitting here that actually laughed when

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Speaker 1: you heard Agniffhelo tested the mic by singing her name

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Speaker 1: was Lola, it's just a big joke to them because

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Speaker 1: they have never been a sex assault victim. And I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad they haven't. They've never had to deal with

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Speaker 1: one witness I had in the middle of her direct testimony.

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Speaker 1: She couldn't take it, Bethany. She put her head down

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Speaker 1: on on the desk in front of her at the

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Speaker 1: witness stand by the mic and went into some kind

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Speaker 1: of catatonic state. In my rape case, Okay, forget my case,

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Speaker 1: forget what I was trying to do. What about her

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Speaker 1: when she had to recount what happened. These people are

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Speaker 1: never the same, Bethany. You know what, just wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: The state is not allowed to do this, but I

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Speaker 1: can do it because I'm not arguing to you a jury.

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Speaker 1: Forget about yourself. Think about your daughter having sex time

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Speaker 1: after time after time in one night for hours, sex

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Speaker 1: marathons that go twenty four to thirty six hours with

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Speaker 1: multiple sex workers that were hired specifically because they are

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Speaker 1: quote well endowed by Sean comes with him standing by naked,

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Speaker 1: masturbating and videoing this happening to your daughter. To your daughter.

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Speaker 1: Oh nance, what a change, because nobody's laughing in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not funny anymore, is it. You know that song?

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Speaker 13: Her name is Lola. My first association was Lolita, who

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Speaker 13: was a thirteen year old who was sexually abused, all right,

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Speaker 13: and then Jeffrey Epstein's plane is the Lolita Express. I

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Speaker 13: think on Mark Agniffilo's part is an unconscious reference to

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Speaker 13: the fact that women deserve to be abused. That's the

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Speaker 13: first thing I heard. I think it's disgusting, and I

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Speaker 13: was thinking too, doesn't he have daughters, sisters, a mother.

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Speaker 13: He wouldn't want them in that kind of a situation.

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Speaker 13: I think the events actually is serving up the idea

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Speaker 13: of force fraud and coercion on a silver platter. And

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Speaker 13: what I mean by this the three stages of the.

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Speaker 1: Pimp Romeo syndrome.

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Speaker 13: The pimp pretends to be in love with the victim,

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Speaker 13: love bombs all of that, then grooms and gets the

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Speaker 13: victims trust. And in the third stage, the victim cannot

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Speaker 13: break away, so they do go back and forth like Okay,

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Speaker 13: I'll arrange you know, I'll call the sex workers for you.

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Speaker 13: They are terrified and then they say no, thinking that

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Speaker 13: Sean Deny Combs is actually listening to them. And when

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Speaker 13: you say no so many times and the other person

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Speaker 13: doesn't listen, you start to become brainwashed that you didn't

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Speaker 13: say no at all. That's what Cassie said in her testimony.

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Speaker 13: It wasn't only It wasn't until she looked back at

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Speaker 13: her texts that she realized she had been saying no

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Speaker 13: for years. She had dissociated from that. And one more thing, Nancy,

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Speaker 13: This Mark Agniffolo singing the Lola Song reminds me of

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Speaker 13: all the rich, well healthy, powerful men who went on

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Speaker 13: the Lolita Express knowing exactly what they were going to do,

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Speaker 13: getting that island, participating and thinking it was all one

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Speaker 13: big party.

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Speaker 1: It's not a party.

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Speaker 13: Women and men are being abused.

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Speaker 1: It's a tragedy. As we head to a verdict watch

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Speaker 1: in the Seawan comb sex trafficking trial, we stopped to

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Speaker 1: remember an American hero, Trooper mart Hudson, Maryland State PD,

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Speaker 1: just twenty five, killed in the line of duty, served

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Speaker 1: only one year. Leeve's behind a grieving fiance, a mother

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Speaker 1: and stepfather. American hero Trooper Mart Hudson. Nancy Gray signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye for