Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production
Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio and Unboss Creative. I'm Bridget Todd
Speaker 1: and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
Speaker 1: Today marks the one year anniversary of the insurrection at
Speaker 1: the Capitol. I live in Washington, d C. And I
Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever forget going from watching historic returns
Speaker 1: in the Georgia Senate runoff election and watching votes be
Speaker 1: certified for President Joe Biden on television to watching violent
Speaker 1: insurrectionists storm the capital in real time from my apartment,
Speaker 1: which is only about a mile away now. January six
Speaker 1: at the Capitol was not the first time that extremists
Speaker 1: have resorted to violence to try to get what they want.
Speaker 1: In fact, many of the tactics and major players that
Speaker 1: led to the deadly insurrection at the Capitol were the
Speaker 1: very same that abortion providers and advocates have been warning
Speaker 1: about for decades. A few days after the insurrection last year,
Speaker 1: I joined my friend Samantha and Annie at the podcast
Speaker 1: stuff Mom Never Told You to break down the huge
Speaker 1: overlap between the anti abortion movement and the insurrection at
Speaker 1: the Capitol and what it means for all of us. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Steph I
Speaker 1: ever told you a production of I Heart Radio. Today,
Speaker 1: we are once again joined by our good friend and
Speaker 1: colleague Bridget Todd. Hello, Bridget, Hello, I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: be here again. Yes, always a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 1: And Wow, I think we recorded in early December was
Speaker 1: the last time we met up in this virtual podcasting space.
Speaker 1: And a lot has happened. A lot has happened. Doesn't
Speaker 1: that feel like it was years ago? It really does.
Speaker 1: It feels so for and I feel like I have
Speaker 1: slept a mania nights. There's been a mini a moon
Speaker 1: set of things have happened. I feel like I've already
Speaker 1: aged ten years. Yeah, so there's a lot like I
Speaker 1: feel like it's it was a lot, yes, And so
Speaker 1: we wanted to ask you because the topic you're bringing
Speaker 1: us today is related both to past topics you've talked about,
Speaker 1: but also too what happened in the capital of the
Speaker 1: violence at the capital, and since you're in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: We wanted to ask you about it. What was that like?
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking. It was very odd, as you
Speaker 1: might imagine. So when I woke up on January Ay six,
Speaker 1: before I went to bed. I had been watching the
Speaker 1: numbers come in from the Georgia Senate runoffs, and I
Speaker 1: was feeling very good. I put on my lucky shirt
Speaker 1: that has a shirtly chism look quote on it, and
Speaker 1: so like, you know, I woke up beaming. I remember
Speaker 1: waking up like good morning. I was so excited, and
Speaker 1: I think it was because I had not felt that
Speaker 1: kind of hope in a long time. So I was
Speaker 1: like feeling very very hopeful that morning, and it was
Speaker 1: like a like a power and a hope that I
Speaker 1: had not felt in I guess the last four years.
Speaker 1: And how quickly that feeling of hopefulness turned into just powerlessness.
Speaker 1: As I watched, you know, this insurrection happened, and I
Speaker 1: think that, like I was watching, it happened on television
Speaker 1: kind of in real time, and so it really got
Speaker 1: so dark and so serious. So quickly it went from
Speaker 1: of course, there's just gonna be these Trump supporters, you know,
Speaker 1: standing out to the Capitol protesting, sure to like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is bad. You know, we got you
Speaker 1: know those things that you get on your phone and
Speaker 1: there's an amber alert, those like things on your phone.
Speaker 1: We everybody who was in my household got one of
Speaker 1: those at the same time from the Mayor of DC
Speaker 1: saying that there was a state of emergency order, there
Speaker 1: was a curfew, we couldn't go out. It happened very quickly,
Speaker 1: And yeah, when I watched it, I'm always making this point,
Speaker 1: but DC is my home. I was raised here, this
Speaker 1: is my community. I lived here. This is like what
Speaker 1: I consider home. And I think that because it's where
Speaker 1: so much of our federal government stuff happens and where
Speaker 1: the you know, the capital is, people forget that just
Speaker 1: regular folks live here, Like this is where people live.
Speaker 1: And so I was really heartbroken by thinking about this
Speaker 1: as not just an attack on our democracy and on
Speaker 1: our capital, but also on my community. You know, d
Speaker 1: C is largely black and brown, and so when these
Speaker 1: people were storming the capital, I saw videos where after
Speaker 1: they were storming the capitol, where did they go, Oh,
Speaker 1: to our restaurants, to our hotels, to our institutions, And
Speaker 1: just the idea that these people would be kind of
Speaker 1: unleashed on my community really hurt. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I always just got to like make sure that that
Speaker 1: point gets included, that it's not just lawmakers who live
Speaker 1: in d C. It's real people, some of WHI who
Speaker 1: have no connection to the government, and so it was
Speaker 1: not just an attack on our democracy and our capital
Speaker 1: was also attack on these people are our home, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we were all watching closely and knowing that you
Speaker 1: were my one of my connections in d C. Definitely
Speaker 1: like follow you on Twitter. You actually mentioned like, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for bringing in the corona, like not
Speaker 1: wearing a mask and infecting our city and we were
Speaker 1: trying to control it, and you just made this bigger
Speaker 1: disaster because they were not only in your community, at
Speaker 1: your restaurants, at your hotels, at your places of service,
Speaker 1: as if this was a free for all, as if
Speaker 1: nothing were happening, and of course no one was arrested,
Speaker 1: so therefore they were just out and about doing their thing.
Speaker 1: I just saw a report saying like a thirty something
Speaker 1: Capital police officers tested positives for corona just recently. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw you tweeting that. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's so right. I didn't even think of that that
Speaker 1: part because I'm just looking at the violence. But holy crap,
Speaker 1: it's a pandemic, Y'all's a pandemic. And it's like we
Speaker 1: just don't need this, and it totally I think that
Speaker 1: residents of DC have been pretty compliant when it comes
Speaker 1: to socially distancing and masking and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But just we have enough stuff going on as a city,
Speaker 1: you know, on top of the pandemic and everything else.
Speaker 1: Is it's just like one more big thing that we
Speaker 1: don't need. And I think it's also really hard to
Speaker 1: act that d C is not really a state. I
Speaker 1: think that people just forget, like people don't understand that
Speaker 1: we don't have the same kind of protections or support
Speaker 1: that states have because we're not a state. And so
Speaker 1: you know, when the mayor was trying to get the
Speaker 1: National Guard to come in, that was delayed because she said,
Speaker 1: a mayor, she doesn't have that authority, and so she
Speaker 1: had to get special permission. You know. I think it
Speaker 1: really illustrated to me how important it is that DC
Speaker 1: becomes a state at some point, because it just doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And every other place right now is being ravaged by
Speaker 1: the pandemic as is d C. And yeah, this doesn't help.
Speaker 1: We didn't need this. We're already having a tough time.
Speaker 1: The realities of when people decided to do stupid things exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so glad you're okay. And in the wake of
Speaker 1: all of this, there's of course been a lot of
Speaker 1: looking into what happened and what led up to it
Speaker 1: and the people that were there. And I just remember
Speaker 1: so clearly you've come on here and spoken a lot
Speaker 1: about disinformation and missing information, and you said, like, people
Speaker 1: forget that these online things have real world consequences, and
Speaker 1: this was like one of the most I couldn't think
Speaker 1: of a better example. And we were also been talking
Speaker 1: about women and Q and On and this very specific
Speaker 1: kind of like fear around children. And one of the
Speaker 1: things you wanted to talk about today is the anti
Speaker 1: abortion movement and how that was a part of this
Speaker 1: whole thing of what happened at the Capitol. Right. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that folks like yourself are continuing to pull
Speaker 1: apart all the different aspects of how we got here,
Speaker 1: whether it's Q and on targeting women who are concerned
Speaker 1: about children, and so I think that the connection between
Speaker 1: the violence that we saw the capital and the anti
Speaker 1: abortion movement is just one more of those kind of
Speaker 1: nuggets that I think we should, you know, not ignore,
Speaker 1: because there are so many different aspects that got us
Speaker 1: to January six at the Capitol. I think that we
Speaker 1: should be talking about all of them, and I think
Speaker 1: some of them are easier to go sort of overlooked
Speaker 1: or a race, and I think the connections to the
Speaker 1: anti abortion movement is one of them, And so I
Speaker 1: really have to start by shouting out a couple of people.
Speaker 1: There is a great piece by Lauren Rankin and Refinery
Speaker 1: twenty nine called how anti abortion terrorism field the MAGA
Speaker 1: attack on the Capitol. Really great piece. Cannot recommend it enough.
Speaker 1: And then another investigation by Carter Sherman at Vice called
Speaker 1: anti abortion activists were all over the Capital riots. So
Speaker 1: a lot of the information that I have found have
Speaker 1: come from those two pieces. And I also just have
Speaker 1: to shout out my friend Renney Bracy Sherman of the
Speaker 1: organization We Testify. We Testifies an organization that tries to
Speaker 1: increase representation for people who got abortions, and so they
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of that work of saying, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: some of the people who were at the Capitol, they
Speaker 1: are very known to you know, abortion providers and abortion activists,
Speaker 1: and so I really just have to shout out the
Speaker 1: people who are doing the work to make sure that
Speaker 1: that conversation sort of we get to have it, and
Speaker 1: that we don't let stigma or whatever keep us from
Speaker 1: having this conversation that can really help us understand how
Speaker 1: we got to the insurrection on the six. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: also just the fact that last week was the forty
Speaker 1: eighth anniversary of Row versus Wade, you know, the landmark
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion in the US, and so
Speaker 1: on that day, I really was sitting with the fact
Speaker 1: that the same kind of tactics that abortion advocates have
Speaker 1: been warning about and screaming about and you know, pointing
Speaker 1: to for the longest time, those are the same tactics
Speaker 1: that got us to January six with these people all
Speaker 1: storming the capital. I think that they're very, very similar,
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of overlap. Can you break
Speaker 1: down the disinformation that led up to this one, but
Speaker 1: also some of that overlap, because this isn't like a
Speaker 1: new occurrence violence within anti abortion movements. Absolutely, it is
Speaker 1: not a new occurrence. So just like the insurrection was
Speaker 1: kind of fueled by what they're now calling the big
Speaker 1: lie that Trump won the election and that it was
Speaker 1: being stolen from him. The anti abortion movement has similarly
Speaker 1: trafficked in just straight lies about abortion, about people who
Speaker 1: have them, about abortion providers, and I think it really
Speaker 1: illustrates what happens when those lies go more or less unchallenged.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, when putting together with my information
Speaker 1: for this episode, I was like, oh, yeah, some abortion
Speaker 1: disinformation and misinformation and in accuracies are so common that
Speaker 1: you don't even really think about it anymore. And actually,
Speaker 1: just last week, the University of California Berkeley School of
Speaker 1: Public Health put out a study that found that four
Speaker 1: of the five most presented web pages in response to
Speaker 1: a search for abortion pill on Google were less than accurate. Right.
Speaker 1: And so just the idea that on our biggest search engine,
Speaker 1: when you Google for information about abortion, it is likely
Speaker 1: that information is a lie, is not true, and it's
Speaker 1: like misleading, right. And so I think that a big
Speaker 1: thing to point out here is what happens when fabrications
Speaker 1: are just tolerated. That that's just like the state of
Speaker 1: play when it comes to misinformation. And I think also
Speaker 1: when you look at, you know, the lead up to
Speaker 1: the election, we saw so much inaccurate information being flooded
Speaker 1: on social media about Biden and Harris and their positions
Speaker 1: on abortion. And the thing that's like really sad but
Speaker 1: also shows how savvy these disinformers can be, is that
Speaker 1: disinformers know that there is a lack of good news
Speaker 1: and media sources that are in Spanish, and so they
Speaker 1: then fill that gap with inaccurate information that is in Spanish.
Speaker 1: And so you saw the Latin X community being really
Speaker 1: targeted and inundated by inaccurate distorted information about abortion meant
Speaker 1: to impact the outcome of the election. And so another
Speaker 1: point is that these often are happening in what's App
Speaker 1: groups that are private, so like unlike Facebook where you
Speaker 1: can kind of get a sense of like what's happening,
Speaker 1: or Twitter, where it's happening mostly in public. It's a
Speaker 1: close platform to have, you know, your private what's App
Speaker 1: group with your aunts and uncles and cousins, right, And
Speaker 1: so we saw lots of really horrific anti abortion messaging
Speaker 1: targeting the Latin X community in Spanish speaking community is
Speaker 1: on these platforms. And so yeah, I think that much
Speaker 1: like with the insurrection, when you have just an accepted
Speaker 1: baseline of inaccurate information about people who have abortions, about
Speaker 1: abortion providers, about underrepresented our marginalized communities. It can actually
Speaker 1: translate to real world violence, real world danger, real world threats.
Speaker 1: This is not something that this is happening online. Researchers
Speaker 1: have been very clear about that. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I just read and we just know
Speaker 1: that happened in Kentucky is they passed the born alive
Speaker 1: abortion ban, which is nothing more than a political statement
Speaker 1: trying to do some fear moongraing saying this is what's happening,
Speaker 1: this is what the Democrats are doing. You see, they're
Speaker 1: killing the babies after they're born, which is absolutely false.
Speaker 1: But then we have a narrative where they actually put
Speaker 1: it into law, so it seems like it's real because like,
Speaker 1: here's an a moment that's attitude state law. We have
Speaker 1: to address it as making it illegal because it's happening
Speaker 1: so much, which is a part of that misinformation that
Speaker 1: is being thrown out there. But it's so scary, and
Speaker 1: which is also why this back and forth about this
Speaker 1: unity and letting people go because you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: know what they were doing. Trump told them to do it.
Speaker 1: All this it's this level of giving some kind of
Speaker 1: meat to this rumor, which is completely unfounded, but because
Speaker 1: it's a political move it's so scary to see because
Speaker 1: once again, here we go with this misinformation, not just
Speaker 1: being a rumor, not just being an outright lie, which
Speaker 1: obviously people are believing anyway. How do you see with
Speaker 1: all of that, with that type of strategy, with that
Speaker 1: type of fear mongering that's actually part of our government structure,
Speaker 1: how do you see that bleeding into things like these riots?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so incredibly frustrating, Like what you
Speaker 1: just described, I have worked in the feminist movement and
Speaker 1: you know, spaces like that for most of my adult life,
Speaker 1: and it's not new, but it is. It sure is frustrating,
Speaker 1: you know, when we spend actual resources and time and
Speaker 1: energy on things that are not true, things that are
Speaker 1: just like fabrications. And I I understand the sentiment. You know,
Speaker 1: A good example is when Project Veritas put out those
Speaker 1: videos purporting to show Planned parenthood staffers talking about selling
Speaker 1: body parts and this and that. That was a fabrication,
Speaker 1: But yet we still had to spend time and resources
Speaker 1: combating something that was a lie. And I think that
Speaker 1: you're exactly right that, yes, it's annoying that, like taxpayer
Speaker 1: money and resources gets spent on making laws or legislation
Speaker 1: about things that just aren't happening. But even more than that,
Speaker 1: it's like it takes up so much oxygen in the room,
Speaker 1: Like what meaningful policies could we be discussing or getting past?
Speaker 1: What kind of progress are we not able to get
Speaker 1: to because we were too busy spitting in a circle
Speaker 1: about something that was a lie. So I think that
Speaker 1: as much as what you just described is horrible, it's
Speaker 1: also just it's such a waste because it just takes
Speaker 1: up so much energy people have to spend their time
Speaker 1: combating against things that are just flies. And I think
Speaker 1: that we really have to get to a place in
Speaker 1: this country where I'm not gonna say it started with Trump,
Speaker 1: but he certainly didn't help. I feel like we've gotten
Speaker 1: to a place where people don't understand that there's lies
Speaker 1: and there's true and you can have your opinion. There
Speaker 1: are things where you're like, oh, well, I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure of course, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: some things are just live. We have a lot facing
Speaker 1: us as a country. We don't have time or resources
Speaker 1: to spend on things that are just lies. So we've
Speaker 1: got to get back to a place where we can
Speaker 1: all agree like some things are just not true and
Speaker 1: not worth taking the oxygen out of the room to
Speaker 1: combat them, you know what I mean. So with that,
Speaker 1: because of stuff like that, it as another additional need
Speaker 1: of protection for women specifically, but even men. And of
Speaker 1: course we can go into the conversation about how to
Speaker 1: abortion movement is actually a misogynistic movement in order to
Speaker 1: control women's bodies. That's the whole conversation we've had before,
Speaker 1: probably need to have all the times. But when we
Speaker 1: look at things like this riot, when we look at
Speaker 1: the people who are actually involved with it, like you said,
Speaker 1: they were able to pinpoint, Hey, that dude is known
Speaker 1: for coming to threatened women, that dude is known for
Speaker 1: harassing women trying to get to an abortion clinic just
Speaker 1: to have a conversation, or even supporting planned parenthood. How
Speaker 1: do things like legislation like this feed into movements like
Speaker 1: this that causes this like violent rhetoric and almost a
Speaker 1: mob lynching mentality. Yeah, it's a great question. I think
Speaker 1: it legitimizes them. I think when we treat movements that
Speaker 1: are not above threatening, violent tactics, agitation, things like that.
Speaker 1: Of course, I am a protester, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: protesting since I've been a child. So I completely, a
Speaker 1: thousand percent support anyone's free speech and ability to assemble
Speaker 1: and protests, even if it's personal thing I don't agree with.
Speaker 1: That is a tected thing, and I find it to
Speaker 1: be quite sacred. However, harassing people trying to get to
Speaker 1: a clinic so that they can't get into the door,
Speaker 1: that's different, right, Threatening violence, that's different. And so I
Speaker 1: think that when lawmakers, public policy officials, folks like that,
Speaker 1: when they create policy that says, oh, what you're saying,
Speaker 1: that's okay, Like, okay, we'll put out a law that
Speaker 1: says this thing that has that is not happening, it's
Speaker 1: against the law. Now, it's like, I feel like it
Speaker 1: just legitimizes and emboldens people that they can use these
Speaker 1: kinds of tactics to get what they want, right, and
Speaker 1: that's to go back to the insurrection for a moment.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that's been so
Speaker 1: frustrating in the aftermath of this conversation, people saying things like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if you vote to impeach Trump. That's just
Speaker 1: going to make them more angry. And it's like we
Speaker 1: can't have this. It's like like we can't live in
Speaker 1: a country where we are afraid to do what's needed
Speaker 1: to be done because people think that it's okay to
Speaker 1: respond with violence when they don't get their way. It's
Speaker 1: like that, like we can't have that. A country can't
Speaker 1: be built on that. Yeah. And going back to this
Speaker 1: anti abortion movement and its relation to to the insurrection,
Speaker 1: it's something we've been talking about a lot lately, and
Speaker 1: I've been on my mind a lot lately. Is how
Speaker 1: kind of new it is, Like in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways it's old, but like the strength with the Republican
Speaker 1: Party with conservatism and women are people just voting on abortion?
Speaker 1: And then how like emotional an issue that is for people?
Speaker 1: And then like you said, all of this like these
Speaker 1: false facts and disinformation and misinformation, and people who were
Speaker 1: watching this and who were listening to Trump and and
Speaker 1: watching this like, well, I guess like we didn't know
Speaker 1: it was gonna be right then, but this thing he
Speaker 1: was holding and they were saying like, no, this is
Speaker 1: the anti abortion movement is going to be involved in
Speaker 1: it and it turns out, yes, um, can you talk
Speaker 1: about that? Yes, that's exactly right. So here's what Aaron Mattson,
Speaker 1: the executive director of Reproaction, which they track anti abortion activists.
Speaker 1: Here's what she said. She says, anti abortion agitators have
Speaker 1: been calling and supporting the president. I guess the then president.
Speaker 1: The President's called the store in Washington for some time.
Speaker 1: I know, and I am confident that as time goes
Speaker 1: on and more and more of these photos are analyzed,
Speaker 1: but we'll see more overlap between the anti abortion movement
Speaker 1: and the white supremacists who tried to overthrow the United
Speaker 1: States of America. And she was completely right. A number
Speaker 1: of very prominent anti abortion voices were president at the
Speaker 1: Capitol in June six. And this is not a coincidence.
Speaker 1: There has been this long standing crossover between the two movements,
Speaker 1: the anti abortion movement and white supremacist terror movements. Like
Speaker 1: that is not a new thing. It's gives you all
Speaker 1: have done such a great job of talking about there's
Speaker 1: so much to untangle when it comes to you know,
Speaker 1: white supremacist movements, anti abortion movements, anti women movements, they
Speaker 1: are all kind of in the same stuff, mixed bag
Speaker 1: I yes, you would say. And Vice had a really
Speaker 1: great rundown of all of the different prominent anti abortion
Speaker 1: voices who were at the Capitol that day. Abby Johnson,
Speaker 1: she's one of the nation's highest profile anti abortion activists,
Speaker 1: um and she was in d C. She tweeted an
Speaker 1: image of herself at a Trump rally that preceded uh
Speaker 1: the invasion of the capital, and she wrote front row
Speaker 1: with the most pro life president of our country. John
Speaker 1: Broke Coved, who was a convicted abortion clinic bomber, live
Speaker 1: streamed himself at the Capitol on January six, as he
Speaker 1: put it, quote fighting for our beloved President Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 1: Taylor Hansen, who you might know he got very popular
Speaker 1: by putting these murals up all over the country that
Speaker 1: said baby lives matter. He was there. And also Derek Evans,
Speaker 1: a member of the West Virginia House of Delicates, live
Speaker 1: streamed a video of himself in a helmet urging rioters
Speaker 1: to break into the building. And two years earlier, a
Speaker 1: court forbid Evans from having any contact with a woman
Speaker 1: who helped escort patients at West Virginia's lone abortion clinic
Speaker 1: after she accused him of regularly standing outside and harassing her.
Speaker 1: So these are people who have documented histories of a
Speaker 1: either being very prominent anti abortion voices or b I
Speaker 1: just showing themselves to not be above threats and violence
Speaker 1: to push their extreme anti abortion agenda. So it's not
Speaker 1: a coincidence that these folks also felt that that kind
Speaker 1: of extremism was an appropriate response to be used in
Speaker 1: the capital, you know, and you know, as you're talking
Speaker 1: about specifically Evans, and of course he actually resigned because
Speaker 1: of people actually be like, hey, oh, this is not good.
Speaker 1: Let's not have him represent us, which is nice to see,
Speaker 1: I guess, but he being a violent person who came
Speaker 1: yelling after and harassed to the point that women were scared.
Speaker 1: That was one of the other conversations they were having
Speaker 1: with the anti abortion was many of the people are like, hey,
Speaker 1: that dude, he has so much domestic violence. If you
Speaker 1: look at his rap sheet, that dude is known as
Speaker 1: being violent towards women. Like all of these things that
Speaker 1: had shown obvious. Oh oh, these are the dudes who
Speaker 1: end up being shooters. Like that's kind of that match
Speaker 1: shooter conversation, Like, these are the same people who are
Speaker 1: going after people going to harass and trying to assassinate candidates.
Speaker 1: And we also saw meny who were obviously like the
Speaker 1: Proud Boys, who were very racist, and we knew they
Speaker 1: were racist, and we knew they were white supremacists, and
Speaker 1: they're proud to be white supremacist. And you see all
Speaker 1: of these people like, oh, those are the violent who
Speaker 1: are racist and sexist. How do you think that this
Speaker 1: type of disinformation led to them being the ones that
Speaker 1: led the riots? I mean, it's a great question. I'm
Speaker 1: not at all surprised. You know, we know that disinformation
Speaker 1: largely impacts underrepresented people. So it largely is fueled by
Speaker 1: these horrible distortions about who we are, whether it's women,
Speaker 1: black folks, other communities of color. Disinformation is fueled by racist, sexist,
Speaker 1: like the worst racist sexist imagining of who we are, right,
Speaker 1: that's complete caricatures. And so it is not surprising to
Speaker 1: me that these people would be fueled by this kind
Speaker 1: of hateful content and really truly believe it. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, to your point, the fact of the matter is,
Speaker 1: I'm happy that Evans resigned. That I'm to the point
Speaker 1: where whenever there's some sort of like accountability or consequence.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wow, look at that someone faced a consequence.
Speaker 1: They still have those, but these are people who have
Speaker 1: scary backgrounds, right, people who have shown themselves to not
Speaker 1: be above using violence to get what they want. And
Speaker 1: you're exactly right that because we don't take violence against
Speaker 1: women very seriously. Most times, when there's a mass shooter
Speaker 1: or some sort of mass scale violence behind that, there
Speaker 1: is a trail of people who tried to sound the alarm,
Speaker 1: usually women. You know, I think it was on Christmas
Speaker 1: Eve that guy who he set off a bomb in
Speaker 1: was I wanna say, Tennessee, Nashville, thank you. Come to
Speaker 1: find out his girlfriend previously was like, I think he's
Speaker 1: making a bomb, right, like like pretty clearly, you know,
Speaker 1: when it's like I wish we could get to a
Speaker 1: place where violence against women was disqualifying that like people
Speaker 1: just didn't it slide because it's so often is an
Speaker 1: indicator that something else bad is going to happen. And
Speaker 1: I just wish that we lived in a world where
Speaker 1: these kinds of warnings were taken seriously instead of being ignored.
Speaker 1: Right when we talk about this information happening and we
Speaker 1: see it being targeted towards women specifically. I was kind
Speaker 1: of shocked to see how many women really really dug
Speaker 1: into Q and on and the whole like I have
Speaker 1: to protect my babies. I have to protect my babies.
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to the violence, more often
Speaker 1: than not, as the men. And again, of course we've
Speaker 1: had this conversation again how misogyny plays a bigger part
Speaker 1: of anti abortion movements than we know. How do we
Speaker 1: see that men end up taking these kinds of initiatives
Speaker 1: and owning them I guess is the word, and then
Speaker 1: taking it into such a route that it becomes a volatile,
Speaker 1: bigger movement than what is online. So as what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is like we see a lot of Q and misinformation,
Speaker 1: and we found out that Instagram was one of the
Speaker 1: biggest of connections for women and she using like influencers
Speaker 1: to talk to these women who feel like they need
Speaker 1: to do all these things. But when it comes down
Speaker 1: to like parlor and when it comes down to rend
Speaker 1: it in fourtune, it's the men and who initiate these
Speaker 1: like kind of responses of it. We have to do something,
Speaker 1: let's get armed. And we see that misinformation being bled
Speaker 1: into anti abortion movements, into the only person who can
Speaker 1: say by country is former President Trump. How do we
Speaker 1: see this information being played out where it becomes such
Speaker 1: a big or conspiracy theory that it does lead to violence. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a long winded question. I'm sorry. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a big question. I think that we know that if
Speaker 1: you hear something enough times that people eventually believe it.
Speaker 1: And so the more times that you hear something, the
Speaker 1: more times that you hear a false claim go completely unchecked,
Speaker 1: people are likely to believe it. I hope that this
Speaker 1: is understood in the spirits, which I mean it people
Speaker 1: who are out to disiniform, out to cause chaos and confusion.
Speaker 1: They're very smart, and they're very savvy, and they're very
Speaker 1: good at it. And I think that the dynam meant
Speaker 1: that you just described where they're sort of a softer
Speaker 1: version of it for women to get them involved, and
Speaker 1: then a lot of the violence is led by men.
Speaker 1: I think that is a really smart, savvy way to
Speaker 1: structure a movement. And somebody once told me, whatever the
Speaker 1: movement is, there's never any kind of movement without women, right,
Speaker 1: And so I do think that we have to have
Speaker 1: some tough conversations about the role that women played because
Speaker 1: one of the first people to die in the insurrection
Speaker 1: was Ashley Babbitt, a woman who had been completely completely,
Speaker 1: just like consumed by Q and On conspiracy theories. And
Speaker 1: so I think that you see women sort of being
Speaker 1: indoctrinated to be sort of like the foot soldiers of
Speaker 1: this movement where men are largely the ones who are
Speaker 1: pushing for violence, like your boogaloo boys and things of
Speaker 1: that nature. That serves a very important function because I
Speaker 1: think that if women are feeling like, well, I need
Speaker 1: to support this because it's going to keep me feeling safe,
Speaker 1: it's going to keep my position in society intact. It's
Speaker 1: a very smart way to have these kinds of conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories be gendered in the way that they are, because
Speaker 1: I think it does ensure that, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a woman who maybe isn't so into the whole politics thing,
Speaker 1: but you know you don't like the idea of children
Speaker 1: being targeted, and you get wrapped up in Q and On.
Speaker 1: I think that the idea that the men storming the
Speaker 1: capital are going to create safety for you and your children,
Speaker 1: I can understand why that's a seductive message. You know,
Speaker 1: look at the way. That Trump message to white suburban
Speaker 1: women all throughout the election, saying things like, oh, if
Speaker 1: you vote for Biden, quote, antipa is going to be
Speaker 1: at your front door. You know you're gonna have riots,
Speaker 1: and your in your streets. You know your kids aren't safe.
Speaker 1: I think that he messaged that way because I think
Speaker 1: it's effective. Everybody wants to be safe, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a really smart way to ensure that everybody is
Speaker 1: bought in. Even if you're not like a violent person
Speaker 1: and you're not going to be the one breaking windows
Speaker 1: and trying to like hunt down members of Congress with
Speaker 1: zip ties, you might be supportive of it if you
Speaker 1: feel that, like that's what the men have to do
Speaker 1: quote unquote to restore order and keep you and your
Speaker 1: family safe. It's very savvy, and part of me kind
Speaker 1: of is not surprised that it works on so many women, right.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to see also, like the mothers with
Speaker 1: their sons. We had at least two examples of those,
Speaker 1: and I was like, which I know. There's been articles
Speaker 1: about that as well, including the fact that one of
Speaker 1: the young men who actually is from Georgia Blue Ridge,
Speaker 1: near minor hometown, blamed his mother. In the testimony, he
Speaker 1: actually blamed his mother would an as, I mean, this
Speaker 1: was poor woman, and she was you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: and that really does tell you all you need to know,
Speaker 1: right that, you know, if you get caught storming the capital,
Speaker 1: that like, oh my mom didn't raise me, right, that
Speaker 1: that would be your first excuse. Honestly, this mom should
Speaker 1: be like, wow, I really didn't do such a hot job.
Speaker 1: I have to wonder what her response was, because all
Speaker 1: I've read was his testimony in which he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom told me to do this, My mom told
Speaker 1: me to pick those up. My mom did this. And
Speaker 1: it was quite funny because I was like, dude, you
Speaker 1: come in here trying to be big masculine. I'm going
Speaker 1: to kidnap these people and then be like, my mama
Speaker 1: did it right? Throw on your own mother under the bus.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that you say this because I have
Speaker 1: noticed a lot of these people are being released to
Speaker 1: their parents or in the care of a family members
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Your point is such a
Speaker 1: good one, where it's like what happened to like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're storming the capital and we're you know, big and
Speaker 1: bad and blah blah blah. And now when you get caught,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, I gotta release me to my mom.
Speaker 1: I was like, which is it. If you're gonna be
Speaker 1: an insurrectionist, at least I do it with your shis.
Speaker 1: But you know, well, And just coming back to because
Speaker 1: I think this is just a simple question I do
Speaker 1: and I don't understand it is how did the anti
Speaker 1: abortion movement become the center of this riot? Almost I
Speaker 1: think that there's so much overlap between the two that
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these people saw Donald Trump
Speaker 1: as the person who was going to, in their eyes,
Speaker 1: restore the rights of children and the unborn right. And
Speaker 1: so it's it's not even the question of like, how
Speaker 1: did it become? I think it was always there. I
Speaker 1: think so many of the people at the forefront of
Speaker 1: the insurrection also did have this history with the anti
Speaker 1: abortion movement. I think it's like the same way that
Speaker 1: you cannot unpack their white supremacist leanings, their anti women leadings,
Speaker 1: their anti immigrant leanings. I think it's all one big
Speaker 1: ball of yarn that led us here. And the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is, you even saw anti abortion groups
Speaker 1: spreading this complete lie that quote Antifa was responsible, even
Speaker 1: though we know that's not true, and though we know
Speaker 1: many of these people live streamed their crimes. You know,
Speaker 1: Kristen Hawkins, who is the head of Students for Life
Speaker 1: of America, which is the nation's biggest anti abortion student group,
Speaker 1: she blamed ANTIFA members and other writers for storming the
Speaker 1: cow at all. And so you already have the mainstream
Speaker 1: anti abortion movement circling the wagons to protect the violent
Speaker 1: actions of these people, some of whom are probably doing
Speaker 1: this in support of their anti abortion ideology. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so frustrating. I hate that when you're like, but this
Speaker 1: video here, they can still be like no, no. So
Speaker 1: we did see just so much racism and sexism on
Speaker 1: display at this riot, and that there were a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations afterwards, rightfully so comparing the police and like
Speaker 1: public reaction to Black Lives Matter protest versus this riot.
Speaker 1: And then also you have in in this handy outline,
Speaker 1: you gave us the history between abortion clinic violence and
Speaker 1: how that kind of overlaps with what happened. Absolutely so
Speaker 1: one of the things I think is really interesting about
Speaker 1: what some of these abortion activists and advocates are saying,
Speaker 1: is that the same way that many of us, myself included,
Speaker 1: were disgusted watching the police take selfies with the rioters
Speaker 1: and shake their hands and just generally seem very buddy
Speaker 1: buddy with the rioters. That is very similar to what
Speaker 1: abortion advocates and clinic workers have reported when they try
Speaker 1: to engage the police to report violence or threats happening
Speaker 1: at their clinics. And so there's a little piece from
Speaker 1: refinding between nine, she says. In August ninety four, Win
Speaker 1: Indiana abortion clinic received a bomb threat. The city refused
Speaker 1: to dispatch either police or fire officials, forcing clinic staff
Speaker 1: to search for the bomb themselves. Nearly forty years later,
Speaker 1: Becca Balinger, a clinic escort in New York City, called
Speaker 1: it a complaint about protesters violating the fifteen foot buffer
Speaker 1: zone at the clinic. When he arrived, she told her
Speaker 1: Farwy nine, she watched the responding officer approached the violator,
Speaker 1: shake his hand and give him a hug. He then
Speaker 1: turned to the group of clinic escorts and said, what
Speaker 1: are you doing to restrict their First Amendment rights? Today?
Speaker 1: And I think that one it enraged me. It was like, fine,
Speaker 1: this guy, but I do think it shows the level
Speaker 1: to which the police can sort of not always be
Speaker 1: counted on to be, you know, restoring public order. The
Speaker 1: same way that we saw police be buddy buddy with
Speaker 1: the rioters at the Capitol. Abortion rights activists have said
Speaker 1: that this is not surprising. This is exactly how it
Speaker 1: is when we have called to report threats or violence
Speaker 1: at clinics. And the fact of the matter is the
Speaker 1: Associated Press found that law enforcement agencies nationwide has said
Speaker 1: that at least thirty one officers in twelve states are
Speaker 1: being scrutinized by their supervisors for their behavior at the Capitol. Right.
Speaker 1: And so we know that the same way that we
Speaker 1: definitely have a problem with needing to root out people
Speaker 1: that have white supremacist ties who are serving in police forces,
Speaker 1: it is not a stretch to imagine that that is
Speaker 1: also a problem when it comes to anti abortion ideology,
Speaker 1: that police officers they might feel sympathetic to people who
Speaker 1: would be threatening violence at a clinic. Right. And so
Speaker 1: these abortion advocates have been saying, yes, we have been
Speaker 1: reading the alarm about the fact that the police have
Speaker 1: seemed to be buddy buddy with agitators at our clinics
Speaker 1: for years. Again, it's just one of those things. It's
Speaker 1: a tough conversation to have, but we do need to
Speaker 1: talk about the ways that some of these darker forces
Speaker 1: have infiltrated our police, the people who are meant to
Speaker 1: be restoring order, you know. And so I do think
Speaker 1: we have to have these kinds of tough conversations that
Speaker 1: put these things at the forefront. Yeah, and there's such
Speaker 1: a like we've been talking about with this like ball
Speaker 1: of yarn or these vinn diagrams and all this overlap
Speaker 1: because if you do look at the history of abortion
Speaker 1: clinics like this is this violence and threatening of violence
Speaker 1: has been there for a long time, like since the beginning, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody who has worked in the abortion or
Speaker 1: reproductive rights space can tell you this is not a
Speaker 1: new problem. And I just think we really have to
Speaker 1: grapple with the fact that so many people who work
Speaker 1: in these spaces have been warning that the unchecked spread
Speaker 1: of distortions and lies on social media about abortion and
Speaker 1: about clinics and about abortion providers will lead to real
Speaker 1: world violence. And so I just think it's important to
Speaker 1: note how much overlap there was with the violence at
Speaker 1: the capital and the kind of violence that these abortion
Speaker 1: advocates have been warning of for years. Yeah, it's so much.
Speaker 1: It's so much too untangle as we continue to have
Speaker 1: these conversations, and certainly disinformation is a huge part of it.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to shout out, any resources
Speaker 1: you want to shout out, or I guess what people
Speaker 1: can be looking for. Yeah, I'm sure I've said this
Speaker 1: on the show before, but the number one thing we
Speaker 1: can all do to curb disinformation is not amplify it,
Speaker 1: even if you're trying to dunk on it, even if
Speaker 1: you've got a great joke. Sometimes it can be hard
Speaker 1: to resist. I know it, But don't amplify it. If
Speaker 1: you focus instead on kind of creating your own little
Speaker 1: pocket of the Internet that can be known for trustworthy information,
Speaker 1: that it's such a better way to spend your time.
Speaker 1: I think that we all have to really understand the
Speaker 1: way that like this is not just something that's happening online.
Speaker 1: You know, I referenced this great more in rank in
Speaker 1: piece that or findye on folction all read that. But
Speaker 1: she points out that conspiracy theories and outlandish rhetoric aren't
Speaker 1: without consequences, particularly when encouraged by those in power and
Speaker 1: anti abortion extremists launched a highly visible smear campaign against
Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood, featuring doctored videos that accused the organization of
Speaker 1: illegally selling fetal body parts. It was absertain, completely untrue,
Speaker 1: but that didn't stop congressional Republicans from embracing the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory to crying Planned Parenthood and opening an investigation into
Speaker 1: the organization. Just a few months later, Robert Dear opened
Speaker 1: fire on a Planned Plarenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, killing
Speaker 1: three people, including a security guard. He confessed that he
Speaker 1: was quote upset with them performing abortions and selling baby parts,
Speaker 1: a direct reference to the cooked up anti abortion smear campaign,
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory that certainly has echoes, and other far
Speaker 1: right conspiracies like Q and on and so again, these
Speaker 1: are not just things people are saying online. They can
Speaker 1: have real world consequences, just like the continued repeated lie
Speaker 1: that Trump won the election and that it was being
Speaker 1: stolen lad to violence at the Capitol. The more that
Speaker 1: we tolerate just unchecked conspiracy theories and allow them to
Speaker 1: seep into our mainstream institutions like our Congress and our government,
Speaker 1: the higher the risk for real world danger and real
Speaker 1: world violence. And so do not think this is just
Speaker 1: happening online. This is a real thing that has real
Speaker 1: consequences for all of us. So with that, because as
Speaker 1: we talked about, they were already putting in laws that
Speaker 1: don't makes us, that are just political games in order
Speaker 1: to continue this rhetoric of lies for anti abortion reasons.
Speaker 1: As well as the fact that even though Trump is gone,
Speaker 1: there still the lie of voter suppression is very well
Speaker 1: in play. As in fact, you know, in the state
Speaker 1: of Georgia, and I think I saw it in the
Speaker 1: state of North Carolina, they're already vamping up new ways
Speaker 1: to suppress votes. We've got a Republican state lawmakers here
Speaker 1: in Georgia doing new laws to try to take away
Speaker 1: from absentee voting, shutting down all the polls. So all
Speaker 1: of this disinformation, Like even though it's kind of like, okay,
Speaker 1: we can kind of push it side because Biden's finally
Speaker 1: in office, this anti abortion rhetoric is not gone. Just
Speaker 1: because we have an actual pro abortion choice people in
Speaker 1: office doesn't mean this fight it's not over. What can
Speaker 1: we do as a listeners, What can we do as
Speaker 1: the people behind here as we see, it's not just online.
Speaker 1: What can we do in real life to help a
Speaker 1: stunt of the spread, but be also be an advocate.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that I forget the numbers, but
Speaker 1: there are a lot of Republicans lawmakers right now who
Speaker 1: to this day will not say that the election was
Speaker 1: not stolen. You know, we have kind of like the
Speaker 1: idea of quote legal votes has made it into our lexicon.
Speaker 1: As if there is a widespread, documented pattern of voting
Speaker 1: irregularities in this country. There just is not. There are
Speaker 1: in every election, you have people where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was voting for my son who's at college, or
Speaker 1: this or that. There's always a smattering of sketchiness here
Speaker 1: or there, but there is not any kind of documented,
Speaker 1: widespread voting a regular larities in this election or in
Speaker 1: any of our last recent elections. Right And so the
Speaker 1: fact that things like oh, well, I think we should
Speaker 1: count legal votes has become part of our lexicon and
Speaker 1: has been sort of seen to be kind of a
Speaker 1: moderate thing. I think has done such a great disservice
Speaker 1: to our democracy. I don't think we will know how
Speaker 1: bad it is for many years, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it planted a seed in a lot of people that
Speaker 1: maybe we'll never go away. And honestly, I think one
Speaker 1: thing that we can all do is just being willing
Speaker 1: to push back on the echoes of these fabrications. So
Speaker 1: whether you know, if someone says, well, I think we
Speaker 1: should count every legal vote, being willing to say, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you mean by that? You know,
Speaker 1: tell me do you think there's a lot of illegal
Speaker 1: votes out there? Like? What do they look like? How
Speaker 1: often are they happening? I think being willing to interrogate
Speaker 1: these claims so that they cannot become part of our
Speaker 1: fabric of understanding the world because they're based on lies.
Speaker 1: The same way that when people say, like, oh, did
Speaker 1: you know that Joe Biden supports a board shin up
Speaker 1: until five minutes before delivery, and saying that's not true,
Speaker 1: that it is incorrect. If someone was trying to do
Speaker 1: a rebortion five minutes before you were meant to be
Speaker 1: in labor, that will be a crime. That's not happening,
Speaker 1: and that's incorrect. This being willing to push back on
Speaker 1: these ideas that are based on nothing in ways that
Speaker 1: are going to actually prevent them from becoming part of
Speaker 1: the fabric of how we understand the world because they're
Speaker 1: based on lies. I know that it's a tall order,
Speaker 1: but we have enough in this world to contend with.
Speaker 1: We don't need more, right, That's what I'm having more.
Speaker 1: That's fair. You know, I just have to see you
Speaker 1: one last thing, because you have been in it, and
Speaker 1: you have been in it, whether physically because you're in
Speaker 1: d C or because you're part of things like Ultra
Speaker 1: Violet and and talking about this information. What I you've
Speaker 1: been doing for yourself for self care? Because we haven't
Speaker 1: asked this question a long time, but that's been a
Speaker 1: part of our So what is your self care? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm so excited to talk about this. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was my mantra the last few because
Speaker 1: just like I gotta get to inauguration, I gotta get
Speaker 1: to inauguration, I gotta get to an I had not
Speaker 1: been doing a great job of taking care of myself
Speaker 1: because there was so much after the insurrection on the
Speaker 1: six I think that everybody in my little community here
Speaker 1: in d C was just we had just had enough.
Speaker 1: We had just had it. But you know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I do to really keep myself grounded
Speaker 1: and restore myself. This really is being outside. And so
Speaker 1: this weekend I went on a lovely hike in George
Speaker 1: Washington National Forest and it was very restorative, even though
Speaker 1: it was cold as balls. So just trying to spend
Speaker 1: time outside, trying to remember that I can only I
Speaker 1: can only consume so much. I can only do so much.
Speaker 1: You know, if I read every new take from what
Speaker 1: happened in the insurrection or every new horrible thing that's
Speaker 1: going on, I won't necessarily be any better informed or
Speaker 1: be any better poise to make a difference. And something
Speaker 1: I can really do to make sure that I'm better
Speaker 1: poised to make a difference is like sleep, take care
Speaker 1: of myself, take breaks, And I encourage everybody to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, it can be enticing to want to refresh
Speaker 1: Twitter a million times a day and get every new
Speaker 1: update of every new detail of every new story, but
Speaker 1: that does not necessarily translate to you being better informed
Speaker 1: or a better ally or a better fighter in this movement.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you guys making the space to talk
Speaker 1: about that, because I think it does get erased in
Speaker 1: the movement that like taking care of yourself is very important.
Speaker 1: Encourage everybody too. It's important. What are you doing and
Speaker 1: writing fan fiction? And I got a walking treadmill desk,
Speaker 1: like a really cheap one, really cheap. I don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to be like, wow, no, it's very cheap and small,
Speaker 1: but it's I like it is it under your desk
Speaker 1: right now? No, this is my podcast desk, it's under
Speaker 1: my researches. I used two separate spaces. It sounds like
Speaker 1: you're so rich, Cola, and even if it is a
Speaker 1: small Okay, well I was trying to help you out there. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing. Yeah, I honestly I don't know. Look,
Speaker 1: and that's not because I'm not doing things. It's mainly
Speaker 1: because I am so just organized with my time, because
Speaker 1: I am at the worst of keeping things separate. So
Speaker 1: I'll work all the time and then just sit all
Speaker 1: the time too, So it's like one or the other.
Speaker 1: But for me, a lot of like I am a
Speaker 1: comfort person, so I'll rewatch things that I love and
Speaker 1: know how it's going to turn out, and then bask
Speaker 1: in that and then also a lot of cuddle times
Speaker 1: with my dog. Why does it feel so good to
Speaker 1: like rewatch The Office for the hundred times, like, like,
Speaker 1: what is it about it that's so comforting? It feels
Speaker 1: like friends, And because you know coming you're not gonna
Speaker 1: be shocked or just a pointed or if you're going
Speaker 1: to be disappointed, you already know it's going to be disappointing,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you can fast forward through that. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: your comfort show? Oh? I have a few? Supernatural has
Speaker 1: become one, thank you Annie, and I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but it has become one. But also a new Girl,
Speaker 1: Parks and rec have become a few of them. I
Speaker 1: watched some weird things like The Flash. I really loved
Speaker 1: that show, and I just love how genuinely sweet it is.
Speaker 1: So I watched really silly things like that, and then
Speaker 1: I'll rewatch movies. You know, Body's business. I love this.
Speaker 1: It's like a prescription for self care and comfort. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also I just wear soft pants. That's my mother comfort,
Speaker 1: soft pants, dog cuddles and the television shows you've seen
Speaker 1: a million times before us sounds great, Well, Bridget what
Speaker 1: else do you think if we left anything out or
Speaker 1: if there's more that you resources that you want to provide?
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to add, well, I
Speaker 1: would say, if you want to have more conversations about
Speaker 1: disinformation and how it pertains to women and folks of color,
Speaker 1: my podcast There Are No Us on the Internet just
Speaker 1: released a brand new series all about disinformation called Disinformed.
Speaker 1: You can check it out on this very network I
Speaker 1: heart Radio. Awesome. Yeah, and definitely do that listeners. Bridget,
Speaker 1: you want to shout out any any other places that
Speaker 1: the good listeners can find you? Yes, I'm on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Bridget Murray and I'm on Instagram at Bridget Murray
Speaker 1: in d C. Well, thank you as always for being here.
Speaker 1: You managed to make you a delight even though we're
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Speaker 1: always room for humor, even if it's gallows humor. There's
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