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Speaker 5: He can even drink beer. All right. So we've got
Speaker 5: a huge.
Speaker 4: Show today, Ryan, We have bought to get through and
Speaker 4: multiple guests. I'm really interesting stuff, so looking forward to that.
Speaker 4: We have obviously more updates on signal Gate, one of
Speaker 4: the better gates, I'll say, Ryan, some of these updates,
Speaker 4: some of these video clips. Donald Trump waighed in yesterday,
Speaker 4: Michael Waltz was on Laura Ingram, So we got a
Speaker 4: lot to talk about.
Speaker 5: We'll go through all of that.
Speaker 4: Ryan has a super reporting and drop site on doctor
Speaker 4: Oz who sailed through his committee confirmation yesterday, will head
Speaker 4: to a full vote on the Senate floor. What does
Speaker 4: that mean for Social Security? Or I'm sorry, what does
Speaker 4: that mean for healthcare? What does that mean for Medicare?
Speaker 4: What does that mean for anyone who is on those plans?
Speaker 4: And maybe in the near future we have all kinds
Speaker 4: of stuff to get to on that. The FBI might
Speaker 4: not be super happy. This morning, Donald Trump ordered the
Speaker 4: full declassification of everything related to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.
Speaker 4: You may remember that as the code name for the
Speaker 4: investigation into whether Donald Trump colluded with Russia back in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Jasmine Crockett had quite a moment yesterday going
Speaker 4: after Governor Greg Abbott of Texas. So we will bring
Speaker 4: you that footage and the responses to it. Ryan, We
Speaker 4: have some guests from the College Democrats here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a huge clash going on in gen Z among.
Speaker 1: Two different camps of Democrats.
Speaker 6: There's the kind of cringe, sellout influencer element that seems
Speaker 6: to always get elevated by the media as representative of
Speaker 6: gen Z, and then the actual kind of young people
Speaker 6: who have very particular opinions about war and the economy
Speaker 6: and culture and the schools, et cetera. One gets all
Speaker 6: the attention, the other doesn't. And so we're gonna let
Speaker 6: these ones dunk on these ones. We're gonna have the
Speaker 6: president of the College Dems and the VP on to
Speaker 6: talk about the problem of cringe in their generation, cringe
Speaker 6: and cashing out, which.
Speaker 5: By the way, used to be almost solely by the right.
Speaker 1: Yes, right.
Speaker 6: The idea that you'd have authentic, earnest people in college
Speaker 6: Democrats who cared about making the world a better place
Speaker 6: is a foreign concept to me.
Speaker 1: Those were the Those were the cringe drivers and climbers, yes,
Speaker 1: back when I was coming up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's to talk about there, and Ryan, we
Speaker 4: have Shreief.
Speaker 5: With us as well.
Speaker 6: Yes, my colleague Shreef have del Cadus, who was Hosam
Speaker 6: Shabbat's editor over at a drop site he's going to
Speaker 6: talk about what it was like to work with Hosam,
Speaker 6: his his life, his death. We'll also talk about some
Speaker 6: of the marches that were in Gazi yesterday and that
Speaker 6: are planned planned for again today.
Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about on a much much
Speaker 4: lighter note, snow White and why it's bombing or maybe why,
Speaker 4: I don't know what. We're going to get to the
Speaker 4: bottom of it right right now.
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 5: Oh, your kids saw it? Did they like it?
Speaker 1: That's fine?
Speaker 4: There are some of the few people in America who've
Speaker 4: seen them.
Speaker 1: It was a birthday party organized around it.
Speaker 4: That one's gonna be for Producer Griffin. Shout out to
Speaker 4: producer Griffin. So we'll we do have some interesting I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously there's some pretty fascinating dynamics between Rachel Zegler.
Speaker 5: And Gala Gado.
Speaker 4: They're interesting political dynamics between Rachel Zegler and gal Gado,
Speaker 4: but also just Rachel Zegler's position on Israel Galagado's position
Speaker 4: on Israel. So we'll go through how that may or
Speaker 4: may not be influencing the way business is treated in the.
Speaker 5: Movie and break it all down.
Speaker 4: So let's start with returning to signal Gate, because there's
Speaker 4: a lot more to get to. Donald Trump yesterday defended
Speaker 4: Michael Waltz. I think it's fair to say the wagons
Speaker 4: are circling around him. The administration has made a conscious
Speaker 4: decision to defend Michael Waltz, even though, as you will
Speaker 4: see in just a moment, his own defense of himself
Speaker 4: is dubious at best.
Speaker 5: So let's listen to Donald Trump yesterday. This is a one.
Speaker 7: It's a question I've been asked down and I've given
Speaker 7: him a few answers. They've all been the same. We
Speaker 7: have an amazing group. Our national security now is stronger
Speaker 7: than it's ever been. We have had a very, very
Speaker 7: successful numerous attacks in that area. These are people that
Speaker 7: shoot down ships. Not only are ships ships all over
Speaker 7: the world, but shooting down right out of the water exactly,
Speaker 7: things like that. But I don't think it's something we're
Speaker 7: looking forward to using again.
Speaker 8: We may be forced to use it. You may be
Speaker 8: in a situation.
Speaker 7: Where you need speed as opposed to gross safety, and
Speaker 7: you may be forced to use it, But generally speaking,
Speaker 7: I think we probably won't be using.
Speaker 8: It very much.
Speaker 4: Now, let's hear from Michael Waltz himself, who spoke at
Speaker 4: that meeting, and later on Laura Ingram We're going to
Speaker 4: start here with a too Waltz from that same meeting.
Speaker 1: The lessons.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of journalists in this city who have
Speaker 9: made big names for themselves making up lies about this president,
Speaker 9: whether it's the Russia hoax or making up lies about
Speaker 9: gold Star families.
Speaker 8: And this one in particular, I've.
Speaker 9: Never met, don't know, never commune dicated with, and we
Speaker 9: are and we are looking into and reviewing how the
Speaker 9: heck he got into this room. But I'll tell you
Speaker 9: what the world owes President Trump a favor. Under Biden,
Speaker 9: global shipping was shut down, pinprick attacks months between them,
Speaker 9: are destroyers being fired upon dozens of times. President Trump
Speaker 9: took decisive, active action with his national security team.
Speaker 4: Really important point to contrast with Walt's story. In Goldberg's story,
Speaker 4: he says right there he does not know Goldberg. He
Speaker 4: says he has never communicated or met him. And in
Speaker 4: Goldberg's story he does say that they have communicated.
Speaker 5: So, Asager points out, someone's someone's lying here, yes, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 4: So he was pushed even further last night on Laura
Speaker 4: Ingram Show on Fox News let's take a look at
Speaker 4: this next clip.
Speaker 10: I built the group to my job is to make
Speaker 10: sure everything's coordinated.
Speaker 5: But how did that execute?
Speaker 11: I mean, I don't mean to be pedantic here, but
Speaker 11: how did the number have you had?
Speaker 10: Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name
Speaker 10: and then you have a and then you have somebody
Speaker 10: else number? Right, You've got somebody else's number on someone
Speaker 10: else's contact.
Speaker 3: So of course I.
Speaker 10: Didn't see this loser in the group. It looked like
Speaker 10: someone else. Now, whether he did it deliberately or it
Speaker 10: happened in some other technical means something we're trying to
Speaker 10: figure out.
Speaker 11: So your your stafford did not put his contact information,
Speaker 11: how did it end.
Speaker 4: Up or so?
Speaker 10: Well, that's what we're trying to that's what we're trying
Speaker 10: to figure out.
Speaker 11: But that's a pretty big problem.
Speaker 10: Is you've got the best technical minds, right, That's just
Speaker 10: that's where I mean, I'm sure everybody out there has
Speaker 10: had a contact where you it was said one person
Speaker 10: and then a different phone number.
Speaker 11: But you've never talked to him before, So how's the
Speaker 11: number on your phone? I mean, I'm not an expert
Speaker 11: in any of this, but it's.
Speaker 10: Just cre how's the number on your phone if you
Speaker 10: have somebody else's contact and then it and then somehow.
Speaker 1: Someone that it gets sucked in?
Speaker 11: Was there someone else supposed to be on the chat
Speaker 11: that wasn't on the chat that you thought?
Speaker 10: So the person that I thought was on there was
Speaker 10: never on there?
Speaker 1: It was this was that.
Speaker 10: Well I'm not Look, Laura, I take responsibility.
Speaker 1: I built the I built it.
Speaker 4: Okay, So they're not answering the question about who that
Speaker 4: may have been. I think a lot of people agree
Speaker 4: it seems like it was probably Jamison Greer, us trade representative,
Speaker 4: would make sense in the context of that conversation. Don't
Speaker 4: know that for sure, though, it could very well be
Speaker 4: other people. But I think, you know, they don't want
Speaker 4: to bring another name into it unnecessarily.
Speaker 5: That would be my guess, that right.
Speaker 1: But Okay, so I think I can undercut something he
Speaker 1: just said.
Speaker 6: There he he's presenting the idea that he used to
Speaker 6: be friends with some other two two number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that got into his phone.
Speaker 5: I see what's up on your phone right now, and
Speaker 5: it's fort.
Speaker 1: In Goldberg then later.
Speaker 6: Goldberg then later got that number, and then that's how
Speaker 6: he snuck into the phone. So I have not talked
Speaker 6: to Jeffrey Goldberg as far as I can remember, since
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen. Okay, so I just checked signal mm hmm,
Speaker 6: and his same number came up. Okay, so that's eight
Speaker 6: years ago. So unless Michael Waltz met and Goldberg threatened
Speaker 6: to sue us actually at Tough Posts, oh really, yeah,
Speaker 6: because we were did a story about him being an
Speaker 6: id F.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was just going to ask that's.
Speaker 1: For the guard and.
Speaker 6: Beating a prisoner, and his argument was he was there
Speaker 6: and witnessed the beating, but didn't participate in the beating.
Speaker 1: I didn't write the stories anyway.
Speaker 6: So in any event, his number has not changed for
Speaker 6: eight years at least according to my quick search of
Speaker 6: uh signal, And he does show up as JG yep,
Speaker 6: but also Jeffrey Goldberg because he's in my contacts. But
Speaker 6: if he didn't, he would show up as JG right right.
Speaker 4: And that's an important thing with Signal is that theoretically
Speaker 4: there's an argument, And I don't think this makes it
Speaker 4: necessarily better for Waltz if he's claiming they've never communicated.
Speaker 4: There are two possibilities here that would have been easy
Speaker 4: for him to explain away. First of all, maybe he
Speaker 4: called Goldberg at some point to push back on a
Speaker 4: story or to dis this.
Speaker 5: Like the charitable explanation.
Speaker 4: From his point of view, maybe he called Jeffrey Goldberg
Speaker 4: to push back on a story and say you got
Speaker 4: something wrong, something that principles do sometimes, especially to an eic.
Speaker 4: Some people have been saying, well, Jeffrey Goldberg hasn't reported
Speaker 4: anything in over a year.
Speaker 5: True, he's the editor in chief.
Speaker 4: He sends some of his tips to his reporters where
Speaker 4: he takes calls fields calls from Principles who are saying, man,
Speaker 4: you got the story really wrong. I don't want you
Speaker 4: to run this story pressuring him. That could all be plausible,
Speaker 4: It could have been acceptable, and then you would have
Speaker 4: him potentially pop up on your signal. But the other
Speaker 4: thing that could have happened is he could have been
Speaker 4: in a signal group with Jeffrey Goldberg and Goldberg isn't
Speaker 4: in his contacts, and then it shows up on signal.
Speaker 5: Now if they're doing right. So none of this works
Speaker 5: for Michael Waltz. And that's why it's interesting.
Speaker 1: We're all trying to figure out how this happened.
Speaker 4: It's feeling like joy Read level, as someone said, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what it's starting to feel like. It's starting to
Speaker 4: get rather shameless. Yeah, the time traveling Hackers explanation. Joy
Speaker 4: Read had all of these posts on her old blog
Speaker 4: that she no longer wanted to own didn't really fit
Speaker 4: with her a pro LGBT brand, and said someone must
Speaker 4: have time traveled and put them into the way back machines.
Speaker 5: Now now we're at that level here with Michael Walls.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which come on, man, like you fat thumbed it.
Speaker 6: You typed in JG to get who's the USTR.
Speaker 5: James and Greer. It could have been someone else too,
Speaker 5: though it.
Speaker 6: Would make sense that if you've got the Treasury secretary,
Speaker 6: you know, war is a racket, like we need all
Speaker 6: of our money guys, apparently in our war planning, Like why.
Speaker 1: Is the Treasury secretary there?
Speaker 6: And if you're going to have the Treasury secretary, you
Speaker 6: might as well have the trade rep because it's all
Speaker 6: about trade. So in any event, he hits a JG
Speaker 6: and adds that JG, which don't you work for like
Speaker 6: the intelligence community? You kind of should double check before
Speaker 6: you just JG are fairly common letters in the alphabet.
Speaker 4: He is the National Security Advisor, I mean he is.
Speaker 5: He is in no position to advise anyone on national.
Speaker 4: Security at this way.
Speaker 1: So embarrassing.
Speaker 4: So it's all the Obviously this is not just touching.
Speaker 4: Michael Waltz, Tulca Gabbard was testifying and John Ratcliff, CIA
Speaker 4: director was testifying in front of the Intel Committee yesterday.
Speaker 4: So let's take a look at both of them fielding
Speaker 4: some questions on this.
Speaker 5: Let's start with a four. This is Tulsa Gabbard.
Speaker 12: Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military
Speaker 12: planning was put out and say hey, we should be
Speaker 12: doing this in a skiff.
Speaker 5: There was no classified material that was shared in that.
Speaker 12: So then if there was no classifying material, share it
Speaker 12: with the committee. You can't have it both ways. These
Speaker 12: are important jobs. This is our national security bobbing and
Speaker 12: weaving and trying to you know, filibuster your answer, So
Speaker 12: please answer.
Speaker 4: So here's CIA Director John Ratcliffe was also testifying on
Speaker 4: Capitol Hill yesterday.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 13: One final point miscim out of it, Well, are you
Speaker 13: gonna give me a chance?
Speaker 1: Is it appropriate?
Speaker 13: Did you know that the President's Middle East advisor was
Speaker 13: in Moscow on this thread while you were as director
Speaker 13: of the CIA participating in this in this thread, were
Speaker 13: you aware of that?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you aware of that today?
Speaker 14: I'm not aware of that.
Speaker 13: This swoppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies
Speaker 13: and the personnel who worked for him is entirely unacceptable.
Speaker 1: It's an embarrassment, Senator. You need to do better. You
Speaker 1: need to do better.
Speaker 5: I regret to do this. I regret to inform you
Speaker 5: we have more. Take a look at ASEX.
Speaker 14: Your question was, have I participated in any other group
Speaker 14: chats sharing classify information? To be clear, I haven't participated
Speaker 14: in any signal group messaging that relates to any classified
Speaker 14: information at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, Richri Gabbert, Senator, I have the same answer.
Speaker 10: I have not participated in any signal group chat or
Speaker 10: any other chat on another app that contained any classified information.
Speaker 14: I don't know if you use signal messaging app I do.
Speaker 13: I do not for classified information, not for targeting.
Speaker 14: Neither do I send it.
Speaker 13: Well, that's what your testimony is today.
Speaker 14: It absolutely is not, Senator. Were you listen at the
Speaker 14: beginning when I said that I was using it as permitted.
Speaker 14: It is permissible.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 1: That's your testimony. Yeah, I agree, that's your testament.
Speaker 13: You asked me if I use it, and I said,
Speaker 13: not for targeting, not for classified information, And I said
Speaker 13: I don't.
Speaker 4: Because that's obviously the Senate Intel Committee, I think, I
Speaker 4: said House earlier. They're testifying in front of the House
Speaker 4: Intel Committee today. Actually, so this isn't going to end.
Speaker 4: But I have say, Ryan, if we're giving out gold medals,
Speaker 4: I think probably John Ratcliffe gets one for handling it
Speaker 4: better than anyone else.
Speaker 5: But that's a low bar.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Like he seemed to be
Speaker 1: kind of flagrantly lying there too.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I mean in terms of his performance,
Speaker 4: not in terms of the merits of his response.
Speaker 6: Paulsy's well, Tulsis seemed to be lying there at the
Speaker 6: end too, because obviously there was classified.
Speaker 1: Information on this thing.
Speaker 6: The identity of the CIA agent who was representing Ratcliffe
Speaker 6: was on the thread. That's that, by itself is classified information.
Speaker 6: They're gonna then say that the timing and the precise
Speaker 6: munitions to be used for an air an air strike
Speaker 6: that hasn't happened yet, that that's open, that it would
Speaker 6: be fine if a sailor took that information and posted
Speaker 6: it on TikTok or in a discord like that, Come on,
Speaker 6: you're this is that's that's utterly insulting. I thought that Bennett,
Speaker 6: the Colorado senator there had the best argument, and that
Speaker 6: is the Democrat's best argument where he's he's saying, look,
Speaker 6: this is not theoretical here.
Speaker 1: Steve Wikoff was in Moscow.
Speaker 6: So there are still questions that we don't have the
Speaker 6: answers to yet, A key one being did he have
Speaker 6: his phone with him? And we could actually got to
Speaker 6: go back and check the thread see if he's responding
Speaker 6: sending the emojis.
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the ones that sent a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of But but was.
Speaker 6: He already out of Moscow when he did well, well,
Speaker 6: if he was out, then where to get his phone?
Speaker 6: So he must have taken his phone with him, because
Speaker 6: often they'll they will tell you don't take your government
Speaker 6: phone to China to rush, et cetera for obvious reasons,
Speaker 6: because they're going to get on it. They're going to
Speaker 6: jump on that phone, and then your end to end
Speaker 6: encryption doesn't mean anything if they're inside your phone. A
Speaker 6: second key point, this is an old man real estate developer, Like,
Speaker 6: does this sound like the kind of guy who probably
Speaker 6: has his phone locked down to the maximum extent possible. No,
Speaker 6: it's an old man real estate developer. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 6: sending him while he's in Moscow the names of CIA
Speaker 6: agents and the precise timing and and the precise kind
Speaker 6: of attack you're going to launch on an organization that is,
Speaker 6: you know, linked with Russia. Yeah, Russia's doesn't like fund them,
Speaker 6: but like they're they're in that same orbit like Iran
Speaker 6: backs the hu Thies. Russian Iran have relations Like if
Speaker 6: Russia gets ahold of that information, they'd like nothing more
Speaker 6: than to make life difficult for the American service members
Speaker 6: who are then going to be carrying out that attack.
Speaker 6: By the way, the key thing from an actual substance
Speaker 6: perspective that came out of this hearing, This was supposed
Speaker 6: to be a hearing on global threats and the classify
Speaker 6: and the Intelligence Community's assessment of annual Assessment of Threats,
Speaker 6: and Republicans are saying they waited till the day before
Speaker 6: to spring this, so that's so that it would dominate
Speaker 6: this hearing.
Speaker 1: Yep, probably true.
Speaker 6: Clever if they did the key thing to me that
Speaker 6: emerged from this hearing from these reports is that the
Speaker 6: intelligence community's assessment of Iran's nuclear ambitions is that Kamane
Speaker 6: dispatched with their program in two thousand and three and
Speaker 6: has shown no interest since then.
Speaker 1: In restarting it.
Speaker 6: That is our intelligence community now under the Trump administry,
Speaker 6: that's our intelligence community's assessment of Iran's nuclear ambitions not
Speaker 6: doing it.
Speaker 1: He said, there is some public pressure on him to
Speaker 1: do it, and.
Speaker 6: Then there's now more talk in Iran because for obvious
Speaker 6: reasons about kind of pushing him to do it, but
Speaker 6: as far as they can tell, he hasn't moved any
Speaker 6: closer to doing it.
Speaker 1: That's getting overshadowed by this idiot gate.
Speaker 4: We're here, Yeah, many such cases. That does seem to
Speaker 4: be the most operandi of the United States politics in
Speaker 4: the era of social media.
Speaker 6: And everything has to come back to this, like you've
Speaker 6: got to be kidding me level of irony. We lived
Speaker 6: through twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen where we were told
Speaker 6: that Hillary Clinton sending like sort of classified information on
Speaker 6: her own personal email, like when she's going to have
Speaker 6: a meeting with the Bulgarian ambassador or whatever, like that
Speaker 6: like they classify everything in the government, so that would
Speaker 6: be like technically classified. There was nobody cares when she's
Speaker 6: meeting with the Bulgarian ambassador. But we were told that, like, well.
Speaker 4: There were significant there were significant conversations she was having
Speaker 4: about foreign policy on there.
Speaker 5: But I don't know that they were on this level.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, I don't think it was like yes,
Speaker 1: if they were.
Speaker 6: On this level, Comy would have charged her.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's no question that he would
Speaker 1: have charge her.
Speaker 4: So Elon Musk also is stated by Mike Waltz, despite
Speaker 4: Elon must being left off this very fun group chat.
Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, if you got if you've got
Speaker 1: Wick Cough, you.
Speaker 5: Got Susie Wiles. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Lindsay Graham posts yesterday, I agree with President Trump
Speaker 4: that Mike Waltz is an invaluable member of his national
Speaker 4: security team, that he should continue to serve the president
Speaker 4: in our country, not actually really doing Mike Waltz any
Speaker 4: favors there to get the Lindsey Graham stamp of confidence.
Speaker 5: But Elon Musk quote tweeted that or quote x that
Speaker 5: whatever and said same. So what's interesting about that?
Speaker 4: Ryan is Trump, Musk, Lindsey Graham, everybody standing behind Mike Waltz.
Speaker 4: They're putting him on media, letting him speak to the press.
Speaker 4: He's going on Laura and Gram. He has this defense
Speaker 4: that is, I mean, laughably implausible and unpersuasive. They're not
Speaker 4: even sending him out there with some type of clever maneuvering.
Speaker 5: He's just going out there and.
Speaker 4: Saying, ah like space aliens basically joy read level. Sorry
Speaker 4: that was a little flippant, but essentially he's saying, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe somebody hacked into the into the phone, changed his
Speaker 4: contact something weird could have had.
Speaker 5: It's not a convincing explanation.
Speaker 4: So I think Ryan, what's probably going to happen is
Speaker 4: he's going to realize he's lost the confidence of everybody
Speaker 4: around him. Even if Trump publicly is projecting confidence, Musk
Speaker 4: is publicly projecting confidence.
Speaker 5: This has been used, and I know you guys have
Speaker 5: talked about this.
Speaker 4: It's obviously been used by the people who already did
Speaker 4: not trust Mike Waltz, who are already unhappy with Mike
Speaker 4: Waltz because they see him as a holdover, sort of
Speaker 4: like a Pompeo type figure, and Pompeo is extremely controversial
Speaker 4: in the sort of hardcore magas circles, controversial with people
Speaker 4: like Don Junior and Tucker Carlson, who will also look
Speaker 4: at someone like Michael Waltz, even if they don't say
Speaker 4: it publicly, privately, with skepticism and not complete in total trust.
Speaker 6: Like Waltz was signaling to the Ukrainians that he was gonna,
Speaker 6: you know, push for more war support, you know, ahead
Speaker 6: of Besent and fans and other people's trips to the
Speaker 6: region where they were pursuing Trump's policy.
Speaker 1: No, We're going to end this war.
Speaker 6: So like every everywhere around the world where if there's
Speaker 6: if there's a war on the table, Waltz is for it,
Speaker 6: whereas the others are kind of pushing back against it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that it's it's feeding into that internal internal fight,
Speaker 6: right and.
Speaker 4: Even for the people who agree with him ideologically, I
Speaker 4: think he's going to find out that it's it's very
Speaker 4: very hard to take your boss seriously or your peer
Speaker 4: seriously at the you know, cabinet level when that's what's happening.
Speaker 6: Especially when he's doing interviews like that. He elsewhere he said, like,
Speaker 6: you know, isn't it interesting that this you know, terrible, horrible,
Speaker 6: devious reporter information was he was the one that happened
Speaker 6: to be sucked in to this this loser, this loser,
Speaker 6: like as if that there was some deep state conspiracy
Speaker 6: to like foist Jeffrey Goldberg onto this group chat, that
Speaker 6: it wasn't just Waltz who fat thumbed him in there
Speaker 6: recklessly right well, and and then added Witcough for no reason,
Speaker 6: like I look like wit Coough, like he's there's no
Speaker 6: insult to him.
Speaker 1: He's not on a need to know basis about the
Speaker 1: timing of the strikes on Yemen.
Speaker 5: He's Middle East envoy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he doesn't have any operational control over like
Speaker 6: what you're going to bomb in Yemen.
Speaker 4: I suppose it's possible that if he's in the middle
Speaker 4: of seasfire negotiations, they would want to wrap him into
Speaker 4: that if he's communicating with.
Speaker 1: Wrap it on this signal chat while he's in Moscow.
Speaker 5: No signal chat. He seems let alone if he's in Moscow.
Speaker 6: He seemed to not know that he was in Moscow.
Speaker 6: He said he didn't know he was in Moscow. It's
Speaker 6: a noble thing. It's in the news.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's also again the National Security Advisors.
Speaker 1: He's not reading his briefings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's I mean, it's it's all completely ridiculous,
Speaker 4: but it's I think also probably going to turn out
Speaker 4: for Waltz. That my prediction is that he just resigns
Speaker 4: after a while, But that'll be a significant loss for
Speaker 4: the Lindsay Grahams of the world, which is probably why
Speaker 4: they're doubling down, because it's going to be hard to
Speaker 4: find another person that is sort of has the ideologically
Speaker 4: Waltz but also the confidence of Trump and Trump world.
Speaker 4: That's actually why I think.
Speaker 6: Lindsay there's plenty of people in who have those leanings.
Speaker 6: Trump doesn't trust a lot of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, even like a Robert O'Brien or a
Speaker 4: Mike Pompeo. Those people are not, you know, totally trusted
Speaker 4: by the Don Juniors, the Tucker Carlson's.
Speaker 5: So it's hard to find somebody.
Speaker 4: Who just gets is even able to get along with
Speaker 4: that Wing gets along with Pete Hegseth as we saw
Speaker 4: in the signal chat.
Speaker 5: So, I mean this story is wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I guess two last points on
Speaker 1: our buddies. Heg Seth and Vance.
Speaker 6: Here heg Seth, we were told that he had this
Speaker 6: come to Jesus moment around america First policy, that he
Speaker 6: was no longer this strident war supporter. Around twenty sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 6: he starts to come out and say it was wrong
Speaker 6: about the Iraq war, and he's wrong about America's kind
Speaker 6: of muscular.
Speaker 1: Policeman role in the world. And on this group.
Speaker 6: Chat he's a he is he wants the US to
Speaker 6: be the policeman for the world, but he's just a
Speaker 6: little bit bitter about it that because he doesn't like Europe,
Speaker 6: Like that's like, that's pretty weak. And then on Vance
Speaker 6: like it's it was nice to see him stand up
Speaker 6: and make an anti war argument. But then immediately he's like, well,
Speaker 6: never mind, if everybody wants to do it, then go
Speaker 6: ahead and do it, which is like, well, what's your point, like,
Speaker 6: what's your role here? Like and if you think that
Speaker 6: this war is inconsistent with Trump's vision for the world,
Speaker 6: which he said it was, and that we haven't sold
Speaker 6: it to the American public, you have Trump's number, call
Speaker 6: the guy up.
Speaker 5: He may have I mean, I mean on the thread,
Speaker 5: he just he muggled Yeah, he bucked.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the times, the time gaps probably the
Speaker 4: best way to say it. Between It's a little unclear
Speaker 4: to me because I think at one point there was
Speaker 4: a full day that went by, right and.
Speaker 1: Maybe called him that night. I didn't seem like it though.
Speaker 4: No idea, Yeah, no idea, but such as the life
Speaker 4: of a vice president. But yeah, Also, he was trying
Speaker 4: to be persuasive, which is another interesting point of it.
Speaker 4: He's trying to be persuasive to Hei Seth, trying to
Speaker 4: be persuasive. So who I mean, it's interesting with Heike
Speaker 4: Seth how he recommends that the as Walts is asking
Speaker 4: for points of contact, he recommends Dan Caldwell.
Speaker 5: It was someone very much from.
Speaker 4: The like skeptical the world of skeptics of American imperial escapades.
Speaker 4: So there's they're interesting. They're genuinely interesting tensions in Trump world.
Speaker 4: And this was some interesting insight before we wrap though, Ryan,
Speaker 4: any of the conspiracy theories holding water with you, they
Speaker 4: aren't really with me that this was intentional.
Speaker 5: This was a planned leak.
Speaker 1: We saw, It's clear how it happened. He had accidentally
Speaker 1: to the thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then yeah, did they have the story ready
Speaker 6: like four days ago, and hold it so that it
Speaker 6: would have maximum impact right before these hearings. Sure we
Speaker 6: have a quick breaking update. We can put this element
Speaker 6: up on the screen. So the question of what Pete
Speaker 6: Hegseth was sending has now been answered.
Speaker 1: We'll discuss this more on the program. I'll be on
Speaker 1: with Sager tomorrow. But here you can look. You can
Speaker 1: see it here.
Speaker 6: Pete Hagsath says, team update time now eleven forty four
Speaker 6: Eastern time, weather is favorable. Okay, that's not classified, just
Speaker 6: confirmed with Sentcom we were a go for mission launch.
Speaker 1: That sounds classified.
Speaker 6: Twelve fifteen et F eighteen's launch first strike package sounds classified.
Speaker 6: Thirteen forty five trigger based F eighteen first strike windows
Speaker 6: starts target terrorist is at his known location, so should
Speaker 6: be on time. Okay, so if Russia sees this, you're
Speaker 6: now telling them at one forty five Eastern time you're
Speaker 6: going to target this particular terrorist.
Speaker 1: Also, and you know, so everybody can just go hide anyway.
Speaker 6: Fourteen ten more F eighteen's launch second strike package fourteen
Speaker 6: to fifteen strike drones on target. This is when the
Speaker 6: first will definitely drop, pending earlier trigger based targets fifteen
Speaker 6: thirty six F eighteen second Strike starts. Also first sea
Speaker 6: based Tomahawks launched. More to follow uper timeline. We are
Speaker 6: currently clean on OPSEC, which, of course you have to
Speaker 6: end AD anytime.
Speaker 1: Your opsec is utterly filthy and lazy. Godspeed to our warriors,
Speaker 1: all right, So we'll have more on this unfolding idiot
Speaker 1: gait tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Ryan some really interesting and timely new reporting and drop
Speaker 4: site on doctor Oz's plans for Medicare.
Speaker 6: Yes, doctor Oz wants to privatize medicare. Let's put up
Speaker 6: this this tear sheet from Alexander's Achik investigation that we
Speaker 6: published over at drop site, and we can we'll come
Speaker 6: back to this in a moment to explain the details
Speaker 6: of this privatization plan, which is not a hair brained
Speaker 6: scheme that has little chance of success. Our assessment is
Speaker 6: that it is very he is quite likely to be
Speaker 6: able to actually pull this off if there's no if
Speaker 6: there's no resistance to it. But so put a B
Speaker 6: two his He cruised through his Senate confirmation hearing yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was this one of these interesting situations.
Speaker 6: Where the hearing needed hearing room was busy doing some
Speaker 6: soial security stuff and it couldn't ethis.
Speaker 1: They met on the Senate floor.
Speaker 6: They kind of go off to the side of the
Speaker 6: Senate floor and they just kind of like hold a vote, and.
Speaker 1: So he's so he moved. He moves forward.
Speaker 6: And here is a bit from previously when they did
Speaker 6: have the hearing rooms.
Speaker 1: Can will be three here.
Speaker 15: Doctor Oz has years of experience as an acclaimed physician
Speaker 15: and public health advocate. His background makes him uniquely qualified
Speaker 15: to manage the intricacies of CMS. At his hearing, doctor
Speaker 15: Oz discussed his vision to ensure CMS provides Americans with
Speaker 15: access to superb care, especially our most vulnerable patients. I
Speaker 15: look forward to working with him, if confirmed, to accomplish
Speaker 15: this goal. I was also encouraged to hear that he
Speaker 15: will focus on modernizing federal healthcare programs, work to fix
Speaker 15: our broken clinician payment system, and will partner with Congress
Speaker 15: to achieve pharmaceutical Benefit Manager reform. There is no doubt
Speaker 15: that doctor Oz will work tirelessly to deliver much needed
Speaker 15: change at CMS. I will be voting in favor of
Speaker 15: his nomination, and I encourage my colleagues on both sides
Speaker 15: of the aisle to do the same.
Speaker 6: Okay, So on the Medicare privatization scheme that doctor Oz
Speaker 6: is pushing and we can we can put up B
Speaker 6: one again just for a few seconds so people can
Speaker 6: see this again.
Speaker 1: You can go read the full story to get all
Speaker 1: all the details of it.
Speaker 5: And can I ask you you just said is pushing.
Speaker 4: Like currently this is something that he right now believes
Speaker 4: in his capacity of this job.
Speaker 1: Yes, he can push, yes, and he does not need
Speaker 1: legislation to do it.
Speaker 6: And so here's how so if you're if you're older,
Speaker 6: you know somebody old, you probably I've heard of Medicare
Speaker 6: advantage which now roughly half of seniors on Medicare have
Speaker 6: what are called Medicare advantage plans. So these are administered
Speaker 6: by private companies which are given a set amount of
Speaker 6: money by the government and then if they can deliver
Speaker 6: care for the way they profit is by delivering care
Speaker 6: that costs less than that. The way they sell it
Speaker 6: to you is they say, we're going to do preventive stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to make sure that you get
Speaker 1: your checkups.
Speaker 6: We're going to keep you healthy because to us, we
Speaker 6: profit if you don't use health care services. And in
Speaker 6: order to not use health care services that means you're healthy.
Speaker 6: That's great, Like if that is, if that is how
Speaker 6: you keep health care costs down, that's what everybody wants.
Speaker 6: People don't want necessarily cheap or affordable healthcare services. What
Speaker 6: they would like is no healthcare services. You don't want
Speaker 6: to be in the doctor's office or the hospital. What
Speaker 6: happens in practice, though, is that it's much easier to
Speaker 6: just deny people care. That it's because it's much harder
Speaker 6: to upfront make sure that people are staying healthier. Now, Medicare,
Speaker 6: actual regular Medicare is not allowed to advertise, it's not allowed.
Speaker 1: To go out and recruit people to its program.
Speaker 6: Medicare Advantage spends a lot of its money advertising its
Speaker 6: Medicare Advantage plans, and they say, join us because you're
Speaker 6: going to we'll give you dental envision and we'll deliver
Speaker 6: groceries to you. Like they have these all these other
Speaker 6: little pluses that when you're healthy, you're like, oh, that
Speaker 6: sounds great, and so they sign up for these privatized
Speaker 6: plans and then they love it until they come to
Speaker 6: actually use the plan, you're like, oh, that's not a network.
Speaker 6: The only in network person is like one hundred and
Speaker 6: twenty miles from here, that's not coverable, and so you
Speaker 6: get the typical private insurance nightmares. But even in your
Speaker 6: even in your public health care plan, and now you're
Speaker 6: stuck in this.
Speaker 1: Now you're stuck in the situation.
Speaker 6: Doctor Oz has been a pitchman for Medicare advantage for many,
Speaker 6: many years, like on his programs, And because Medicare advantage
Speaker 6: there is so much profit in signing these old folks
Speaker 6: up to it. They would go out and they would
Speaker 6: hire these pitchmen all over the country say, look, you
Speaker 6: bring us somebody. We'll pay you, like you get a
Speaker 6: finder's fee, like the same way if you, you know,
Speaker 6: sign somebody up for squarespace or whatever on your podcast
Speaker 6: and you get ten bucks. Like sign sign somebody up
Speaker 6: for Medicare advantage. Who watched doctor oz show, We'll give
Speaker 6: you two thousand dollars or whatever it is. There's an
Speaker 6: enormous amount of money in signing somebody up for Medicare advantage.
Speaker 1: So he's been entangled with this for a very long time.
Speaker 6: He also, of course owns I think he owns something
Speaker 6: like six hundred thousand dollars. And you had Hellstock, which
Speaker 6: he has said he would sell you.
Speaker 1: They're a significant player in Medicare advantage.
Speaker 6: Now, the irony is that doctor Oz's ability to privatize
Speaker 6: Medicare comes from the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare set up
Speaker 6: these pilot programs that said, because one of the driving
Speaker 6: impulses of Obamacare was how do we deliver better healthcare
Speaker 6: for less? And so they say, we're going to set
Speaker 6: up a pilot program, and if this private company or
Speaker 6: this nonprofit can show that it actually is making people healthier,
Speaker 6: then we will expand.
Speaker 1: Access to that program.
Speaker 6: And so there are a number of pilot programs that
Speaker 6: are running through what's called CMMI Medicare and Medicated Innovation
Speaker 6: I think it's called. And what almost all of them
Speaker 6: are finding is that Medicare advantage delivers worse outcomes for
Speaker 6: more money, yet the private companies make decent, healthy profits
Speaker 6: off the top of it.
Speaker 1: That's what the pilot programs are showing.
Speaker 6: All doctor Oz will have to do is come in
Speaker 6: with a rubber stamp that says successful and rubber stamp
Speaker 6: those projects. And it's a subjective decision that will be
Speaker 6: left to doctor Oz to say, I find these to
Speaker 6: be successful.
Speaker 1: And then boom.
Speaker 6: They are wide open to everyone indic in Medicare advantage,
Speaker 6: and then the last thing they would have to do
Speaker 6: is just default every senior into Medicare advantage and make
Speaker 6: them kind of actively move out of that into regular Medicare.
Speaker 6: And because Medicare has no capacity to advocate for itself,
Speaker 6: within a couple of years, you would go from fifty
Speaker 6: percent of people on Medicare advantage to almost everybody on
Speaker 6: Medicare advantage. And by then, once you're down to ten
Speaker 6: twenty percent of people on Medicare proper, it no longer
Speaker 6: is able, doesn't have the economies of scale anymore, and
Speaker 6: it just completely collapses and we're left with privatized Medicare.
Speaker 4: And so my personal perspective on is why our healthcare
Speaker 4: system is the worst of both worlds. You end up
Speaker 4: with the worst of a market system or for quote
Speaker 4: unquote free market system and the worst of a bureaucratic.
Speaker 5: System, and you have these like halfway measures.
Speaker 4: It's such a disaster, such a good example of why
Speaker 4: it's a disaster. But also Ryan, you mentioned it doesn't
Speaker 4: this doesn't have to go through Congress.
Speaker 6: Right because the authority for it is vested in the
Speaker 6: Affordable Care Act, which already went through Congress.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 6: So the ACA says, if these pilot programs are successful,
Speaker 6: they can be then expanded by the head of CMS,
Speaker 6: And the head of CMS runs CMMI, which runs these
Speaker 6: pilot programs. And so Obama gave doctor Oz the power
Speaker 6: to privatize Medicare.
Speaker 5: Why isn't why isn't Doge taking it away?
Speaker 6: That's actually a very good point. The Department of Justice
Speaker 6: is currently suing a bunch of Medicare advantage scammers to
Speaker 6: the tune of tens and hundreds of billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Like it.
Speaker 6: If Elon Musk and Doge or whoever is running Doge
Speaker 6: Doja wanted Doggy wanted to Doggy wanted to actually sniff out
Speaker 6: some real savings and some real waste fraud and abuse. Uh,
Speaker 6: Medicare advantage is one of the first places anybody serious
Speaker 6: about going after fraud would go. Instead, we're going to
Speaker 6: just expand it to what doctor Oz calls Medicare advantage
Speaker 6: for all. So yes, if you're serious about waste for
Speaker 6: an abuse, this is the place to go.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, yet they're not, so draw your own conclusions.
Speaker 4: Trump's that the guy Trump picked to head up Social Security.
Speaker 4: His name is Franks. No, no, he's CEO of five
Speaker 4: Serve actually, which is an interesting personal plot from But anyway, meanwhile,
Speaker 4: this is just yesterday. He is saying that they will
Speaker 4: you restore any customer service glitches, but they're not going
Speaker 4: to cut Social Security. Donald Trump has said obviously that's
Speaker 4: his red line. But you can see how the plan
Speaker 4: is pitched to something a little bit different, right that
Speaker 4: Donald Trump might not look at that and say, okay,
Speaker 4: this is cutting right, like it's it's actually something that
Speaker 4: you could see being pitched to him and him going
Speaker 4: along with yeah.
Speaker 1: And Trump is a pitch man, like it's like doctor Oz. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only reason.
Speaker 6: That Trump hasn't sold medicare advantage plans and nobody got
Speaker 6: in front of them with the idea, and maybe they did,
Speaker 6: we just don't know about it. But yeah, Trump would
Speaker 6: understand this. Oh, so we're going to offer them some
Speaker 6: surface level benefits. You know, we'll mail you a toothbrush
Speaker 6: and you can get groceries delivered, and you get you
Speaker 6: get dental coverage. Good luck trying to use that dental coverage,
Speaker 6: by the way, but it looks good. It sounds good,
Speaker 6: and then we get to keep all the money by
Speaker 6: denying them care.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Like it's it's like a classic scheme that a private
Speaker 6: equity company can use because of this massive asymmetric warfare.
Speaker 6: On the one hand, you've got a private equity company
Speaker 6: with a bunch of mckensey level quant geeks who have
Speaker 6: these spreadsheets in front of them and figuring out how
Speaker 6: best to maximize their profits. And on the other hand
Speaker 6: you have on the other side of Ledger, you have
Speaker 6: grandma and grandpa who are just going to get just
Speaker 6: annihilated in that competition like that, that's not a market
Speaker 6: place that's going to be fair.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, that's one to watch because he's headed
Speaker 4: to the full full floor and it's likely to pass.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 4: Let's move on to the FBI, which is not too
Speaker 4: far from where we're filming this, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 4: not pleased with the news. Though it was certainly expected
Speaker 4: that everything related to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, that was
Speaker 4: the FBI's investigation into whether or not Russia interfered with
Speaker 4: the twenty sixteen election. Very specifically, they would say it
Speaker 4: was broad but and you know, Russia did interfere with
Speaker 4: the twenty sixteen election, just not on the magnitude that
Speaker 4: they pitched to the press and into the public over
Speaker 4: the course of years, but more specifically into whether Donald
Speaker 4: Trump colluded with the Kremlin in order to win the
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen election. We can go ahead and roll this
Speaker 4: clip of Donald Trump officially ordering the declassification of everything
Speaker 4: related to Crossfire Hurricane yesterday.
Speaker 16: Next, here we have a presidential memorandum for your attention.
Speaker 16: This memorandum requires the immediate declassification of all FBI files
Speaker 16: relating to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. This was obviously one
Speaker 16: of the instances of the weaponization of law enforcement powers
Speaker 16: of prosecution against you and others. We believe that it's
Speaker 16: long pastime for the American people to have a full
Speaker 16: and complete understanding of what exactly is in those files, which.
Speaker 7: Gives the media the right to go in and go
Speaker 7: and check it. You probably won't bother because you're not
Speaker 7: going to like what you say. But this was total weaponization.
Speaker 7: It's a disgrace. It never happened in this country. But
Speaker 7: now you'll be able to see for yourselves. I'll declassify.
Speaker 7: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: You said?
Speaker 7: All the Plassy everything.
Speaker 16: The FBI file with a there's a classified annext. But
Speaker 16: other than that, this will put everything in the public eye.
Speaker 4: So ran I think Russia Gate is sort of like
Speaker 4: COVID at this point. There are people who are still
Speaker 4: like myself, extremely interested in knowing what happened, but the
Speaker 4: general public is kind of tuned out of it. So
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that this is some sort of grave
Speaker 4: threat to the FBI, because I don't know that it's
Speaker 4: going to generate major embarrassing news cycles. But surely it
Speaker 4: will generate some embarrassing embarrassing information.
Speaker 5: This is from CNN.
Speaker 4: They write this led to a behind the scenes scramble
Speaker 4: as Republican aids and Trump officials work to collect and
Speaker 4: redact a binder filled with highly classified material. Trump officially
Speaker 4: declassified that material in January nineteenth, twenty twenty one, during
Speaker 4: his last full day in office, but the documents were
Speaker 4: never made public. An unredacted copy of the binder ended
Speaker 4: up mysteriously peering, as CNN first reported in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: Among the binder's contents were reams of information about the
Speaker 4: Russian investigation, including highly sensitive raw intelligence the US and
Speaker 4: its NATO allies collected on Russians and Russian agents that
Speaker 4: informed the US government's assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin
Speaker 4: sought to help Trump win the twenty sixteen election. That
Speaker 4: material is likely to be redacted in the documents that
Speaker 4: are being released publicly. Interestingly enough, Trump says keep those reactions.
Speaker 4: But CNN goes on to say the binder also included
Speaker 4: classified information about the FBI's problematic foreign intelligence surveillance warrants
Speaker 4: on Trump campaign advisor from twenty seventeen, interview notes with
Speaker 4: Christopher Steele, and internal FBI and DOJ text messages and emails.
Speaker 4: And that's important because some of the most damning information
Speaker 4: to come out of any investigation into Crossfire Hurricane has
Speaker 4: been from the Peter Struck Lisa Page text messages were
Speaker 4: Struck talked about the FBI having an insurance policy against
Speaker 4: Donald Trump winning the election, and the other thing. Let's
Speaker 4: put this next element up on the screen. This is
Speaker 4: a tweet from Mike Davis, who if you watch Bannon
Speaker 4: and war Room, you've seen many times he pointed out,
Speaker 4: and I didn't know this. I checked it afterwards. He
Speaker 4: pointed out that Judge Bosburg, who is now at the
Speaker 4: center of the entire fight over the deportation flights that he.
Speaker 5: Ordered turned around.
Speaker 4: He was on the FISA court and ignored the sentencing
Speaker 4: recommendation for imprisonment and actually gave an FBI attorney named
Speaker 4: Kevin Klin Smith, who again people who are very deep
Speaker 4: in the Russia gatehoaks remember his name very much. They
Speaker 4: gave him probation instead of imprisonment. He forged an email
Speaker 4: to use as evidence to surveil Carter Page, an American citizen,
Speaker 4: and this judge is the one who went with probation
Speaker 4: over imprisonment on it. So such a crazy not of
Speaker 4: different things going on here that that thread I would
Speaker 4: not familiar with at all.
Speaker 5: I did not realize Bosberg had any part in that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that prosecutorial misconduct of that level needs some level
Speaker 6: of serious punishment.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: And that's like the left left have been screaming about
Speaker 6: prosecutoral overreach, you know, four I mean hundreds of years.
Speaker 6: It's partly how you get the radical Bill of Rights
Speaker 6: in there. But yeah, so to like completely let him
Speaker 6: off the hook with just probation is prettyres So on
Speaker 6: the other guy's life was destroyed, I guess but you
Speaker 6: can't do that. You cannot you can't frame people up
Speaker 6: in this in these secret courts to get the government
Speaker 6: spying on a campaign outrageous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but I just like, I
Speaker 4: think it's great do classify it. It's kind of interesting
Speaker 4: that Trump wants to keep some of the redactions that
Speaker 4: may be embarrassing, that may look like, you know, Putin
Speaker 4: was saying nice things about him or something like that.
Speaker 4: So that's interesting. But also I just don't. I don't
Speaker 4: know that this have a massive political impact. Maybe it
Speaker 4: will because the binder did mysteriously go missing, and the
Speaker 4: documents were never made public during the course of the
Speaker 4: Biden administration, So.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's something.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're blockbusters in here, but I don't, and I
Speaker 4: suspect there's like genuinely very important information. I just don't
Speaker 4: think it the public reacts to it in the same
Speaker 4: way that people like me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm looking forward to anytime there's the classification.
Speaker 4: I'm good with it, and then we can see what
Speaker 4: Cash Fattel does with it.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: Representative Jasmine Crockett is apologizing for making this remark about
Speaker 4: Texas Governor Greg Abbott. Obviously he's a Republican. Take a listen,
Speaker 4: and then we'll show you the apology.
Speaker 17: We in these hot ass Texas streets. Honey, y'all know
Speaker 17: we got Governor hot Wheels down there.
Speaker 5: Come on now, and the.
Speaker 17: Only thing hot about him is that he is a
Speaker 17: hot ass mess, honey. So so yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: Governor hot Wheels is kind of funny. I'm it's kind
Speaker 5: of funny. I think Greg Abbott should own it. He
Speaker 5: should roll with it. I did not mean to say that.
Speaker 5: I genuinely did not mean to say that.
Speaker 4: But he actually he should put like he's just her
Speaker 4: fundraising off of it right like there, he probably already is.
Speaker 5: It's funny, It's fine.
Speaker 4: Jess mccrockett then apologized, we can put this up on
Speaker 4: the screen. She was speaking there in a human rights
Speaker 4: campaign event, and this is what she posted yesterday. I
Speaker 4: wasn't thinking about the governor's condition. I was thinking about
Speaker 4: the planes, trains and automobiles.
Speaker 5: This is such bullshit.
Speaker 4: He used to transfer migrants into communities by black mayors,
Speaker 4: deliberately staking tension and fear among the bulls most vulnerable. Literally,
Speaker 4: the next line, I said, was that he was a
Speaker 4: hot ass mess, referencing his terrible policies. At no point
Speaker 4: did I mention or allude to his conditions, So I
Speaker 4: mean more appalled that the very people unequivocally support Trump,
Speaker 4: a man known for racially insensitive nicknames and talking those
Speaker 4: with disabilities, are now outraged. So Jasmine Crockett, who apologizes
Speaker 4: kind of not really.
Speaker 5: I don't know if we can call that an apology.
Speaker 4: Actually, now that I'm reading it, it was sort of
Speaker 4: taken as an apology by people because it's her, But
Speaker 4: what it actually is is her denying that she said
Speaker 4: anything about it. And now she's saying she's offended by
Speaker 4: people who are pretending to be offended.
Speaker 5: So I guess if she's if she's.
Speaker 4: Not retracting the statement, then good for Jasmine Crockett, because
Speaker 4: that was funny.
Speaker 6: At the end, she's saying that, why are you all
Speaker 6: offended when you say similar things about, you know, all
Speaker 6: kinds of marginalized people.
Speaker 1: Yet I wasn't saying that, which is it's amazing funny contradiction.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a total Yeah, that's quite a contradiction.
Speaker 6: I think she should have just leaned all the way
Speaker 6: into the last part of that, it's like, who do
Speaker 6: you think you are to try to complain about me? Like,
Speaker 6: the number one thing you're excited about from Trump winning
Speaker 6: is that you're now allowed to say retard. So that's
Speaker 6: the kind of middle school level like cruelty that you're
Speaker 6: engaging in, and you're upset that I said hot wheels.
Speaker 4: El Musk has been tweeting that word like constantly, which
Speaker 4: again like it's a she's her point about people who
Speaker 4: are now pretending to be offended is entirely valid. I mean,
Speaker 4: I personally can't stand in dravestmic Crocket, but that's a
Speaker 4: perfectly legitimate point that she can make from a political perspective, like, go.
Speaker 1: For it now.
Speaker 6: I was offended as a consumer of comedy because I
Speaker 6: hate when people their punchline is based on something that
Speaker 6: they manufactured one second earlier. Her punchline, he's a hot
Speaker 6: mess is based on hot ass, brand new monicer, hot
Speaker 6: ass mess, her brand new moniker of him as governor
Speaker 6: hot wheels. So you just made the governor hot wheels moniker,
Speaker 6: and then you're joking about it two seconds later. Your
Speaker 6: jokes are supposed to be about things other people say,
Speaker 6: So that's why I'm offended as a consumer media because
Speaker 6: I think it's it's you're manufacturing the like ability to
Speaker 6: make that punchline, and I think I actually apologize.
Speaker 5: She shed apologize for that, but she.
Speaker 1: As always she delivers it in an entertaining way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so and the audience.
Speaker 6: And on the other hand, comedy is as it's received
Speaker 6: by the audience. The audience was laughing, therefore it's funny.
Speaker 5: I mean, she never apologize for whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean, her being sort of punted into the stratosphere
Speaker 4: was after the blonde, butch built body whatever the hell
Speaker 4: that was, which was also hilarious by the way, and
Speaker 4: it's her of tragic comic way, But she didn't apologize
Speaker 4: for that. So I get why people interpreted this as
Speaker 4: an apology because she said, I wasn't thinking about the
Speaker 4: governor's condition. I was thinking about the planes, trains and
Speaker 4: automobiles I used to transform. Like, I get why people
Speaker 4: interpret it that way because she was very obviously talking
Speaker 4: about his conditions, so she's she's clearly walking it back.
Speaker 4: But man, she should have definitely just owned this and
Speaker 4: said like, hey, it was a joke.
Speaker 5: Yeah, why are you so offended?
Speaker 1: Snowflakes, right, And there's nothing wrong with being a wheelchair,
Speaker 1: it's just.
Speaker 4: He should he should one hundred percent be fundraising off
Speaker 4: of it. This is her brand. But if you're gonna,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna be like brash, and you should tell
Speaker 4: people if they're if they can't dish it out, then
Speaker 4: they if they can't take it, then they should stop.
Speaker 5: Dishing it out.
Speaker 1: And I also think.
Speaker 6: Seriously that Crockett needs more, She needs to break out
Speaker 6: of that she's she's too wrapped up in pure culture. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and she's going to miss the moment she's going to
Speaker 6: be able to like have be a niche figure who's
Speaker 6: like very popular on MSNBC. But if she's constantly retreating
Speaker 6: to like, for instance, like did she have to like
Speaker 6: where did this shoehorning in of the thing where there
Speaker 6: are black mayors? Yeah, Like they're sending migrants to places
Speaker 6: with black mayors. I just they also send him to
Speaker 6: like what Cape cod or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a white mayor.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess, like I haven't looked that up, but
Speaker 4: Martha's vineyard man, Martha's vineyard mayor.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We could be wrong, absolutely could be wrong.
Speaker 1: There was that, there was that stretch where you had,
Speaker 1: you know, upstate New York represented by three black members
Speaker 1: of Congress.
Speaker 6: So it's possible. But the point is, what is Crockett like,
Speaker 6: why does she have to do that?
Speaker 1: Like, how does that?
Speaker 6: How does that help her if and I think it's
Speaker 6: going to put a ceiling on her ability to kind
Speaker 6: of reach a broader audience.
Speaker 5: Yep, it's hard to disagree with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, she's obviously charismatic, but her she's too
Speaker 4: often distracts from her own substance. I think that's a
Speaker 4: good like in the way that you're saying, like there's
Speaker 4: actually you don't have to shoehorn identity politics into absolutely.
Speaker 5: Everything fits go for it.
Speaker 4: But well, in fact, that's what I think Bernie Sanders
Speaker 4: and alexandri Ocasio Cortez are currently testing out or showing
Speaker 4: the example of, is that you can make these arguments
Speaker 4: without shoehorning these other arguments in to show some type
Speaker 4: of fealty or to be signaling constantly like hey.
Speaker 5: I'm on your team. On your team, you just make
Speaker 5: the argument.
Speaker 1: Talk to if it was a white mayor, you'd be
Speaker 1: fine with it. Yeah, Like, what don't you just just
Speaker 1: ends up being confusing anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right, well, Ryan, let's move on to
Speaker 4: our interview with the College Democrats.
Speaker 6: One thing that all Democrats seem to agree on is
Speaker 6: that they have a huge problem with young people nowadays.
Speaker 6: From my present, one of the problems they have is
Speaker 6: the kind of young people that they have representing them publicly.
Speaker 6: But who better to kind of try to walk us
Speaker 6: through the problem that they're having than the president and
Speaker 6: the vice president of the College Democrats, who got President
Speaker 6: soun Jay Mori La Tharn and so how and vice
Speaker 6: and so Hollyvadula. Thank you both for joining us and
Speaker 6: maybe we'll maybe we'll figure this problem out.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think?
Speaker 8: That was great to me. Thank you so much for
Speaker 8: having us.
Speaker 6: All Right, So, there's a special election down in Texas
Speaker 6: that that we want to get into to replace Shila
Speaker 6: Jackson Lee and I guess that's the Houston area. But
Speaker 6: and and we'll talk about that because there there is
Speaker 6: a particularly cringe duo or trio running running in that
Speaker 6: race that is going to be fun to go through.
Speaker 6: But but first, the Harry Sisson is kind of blowing
Speaker 6: up through some utterly bizarre scandal. Uh, we can put
Speaker 6: this first New York Post element up on the screen.
Speaker 6: D n c's favorite TikToker, Harry sistmcuse of lying to
Speaker 6: women to get them to send nudes. Another problem seems
Speaker 6: to be the existence of a Harry Sism for Democrats. Like, so,
Speaker 6: let's talk about this even before the scandal, before the scandal,
Speaker 6: Let's talk about the problem of cringe and corruption among
Speaker 6: kind of the young influencer dem class soon, Jay, Like,
Speaker 6: why don't you start, like, how do we wind up
Speaker 6: in a place that the types of cringe folks that
Speaker 6: we see representing gen Z have become kind of the
Speaker 6: face of the party in a way that I would
Speaker 6: suspect is probably a turn off to.
Speaker 5: Most young people and young men in particular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 18: Think I don't want to briefly just set the scene,
Speaker 18: you know, So, Holly and I we overseee the close
Speaker 18: Democrats of America just effectively the largest Democratic leaning youth
Speaker 18: organization in the country, or the members are kind of
Speaker 18: like the grassroots foot soldiers of the party who're knocking
Speaker 18: on doors, you know, sending out texts, kind of doing
Speaker 18: the work that no one else likes to do.
Speaker 8: Commonly for free, and I think that.
Speaker 18: Since we're doing all this hard work, it's imperative that
Speaker 18: we get proper representation and kind of, as you mentioned,
Speaker 18: that simply is not the case. And I think the
Speaker 18: best way to go touch is that there's two major
Speaker 18: dominant camps within the influencer like the youth influencer space.
Speaker 18: I would say one which are the people who are
Speaker 18: the problem. They're simply power, tis right. The reason why
Speaker 18: these people are propped up is because they say not
Speaker 18: what young people believe, but what people in power want
Speaker 18: young people to believe. Right, They'll follow whatever's politically expedient.
Speaker 18: They'll pretend to be Chuck Schumer or Joe Biden. If
Speaker 18: it being's that, you know, they'll be able to improve
Speaker 18: their careers. And I'm thinking of people like you know,
Speaker 18: Harry Systems. You mentioned Olivia Juliana and Isaiah Martin, which
Speaker 18: we'll get into later. Then the latter camp is kind
Speaker 18: of the camp that I'm more favorable to, who are
Speaker 18: individuals who represent the interests of gen Z even when
Speaker 18: they're not politically expedient. I'm thinking of, you know, my
Speaker 18: good friend DNC vice chair David Hogg, Jack co Chiarella
Speaker 18: a San Piker are kind of the names that stick out.
Speaker 18: And what's really interesting is the latter three that I
Speaker 18: mentioned are actually more successful. You know, David hoggs DNC
Speaker 18: vice chair at twenty four, and that's because he actually
Speaker 18: was willing to be unapologetic sometimes. You know, he might
Speaker 18: make mistakes here and there, but he actually cares about
Speaker 18: you know, the cause.
Speaker 8: It's true.
Speaker 18: Same with jack O Charla and Hassan Piker, who are
Speaker 18: both larger influencers who are growing, unlike the likes of
Speaker 18: Harry Sislm and the Olivia Juliana who are both presently
Speaker 18: losing steam.
Speaker 6: And so, Holly, what does this propping up look like
Speaker 6: in practice? Like have and have have you seen it?
Speaker 19: Like?
Speaker 6: Have you like let's say you wanted to be come like.
Speaker 4: Well there was that whole influencer like room at the
Speaker 4: see remember they had an influencer lounge.
Speaker 6: We weren't allowed annoying it, right, But let's say you
Speaker 6: wanted to be comma stooge for like the d n C.
Speaker 1: Like how available is that to young people like yourself?
Speaker 1: And like what are they? What do they ask you
Speaker 1: to say? And then we're going to get into Olivia
Speaker 1: Juliana and Isaiah, because I think it ends up becoming
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 20: Clear popping up looks very similar to kind of how
Speaker 20: like the establishment is like given talking points and like
Speaker 20: lines to parrot.
Speaker 5: It's very similar to that.
Speaker 20: Olivia Juliana, like she went viral, she had a lot
Speaker 20: of followers, and the party decided to capitalize on that,
Speaker 20: and since then she's not only been paid by the DNC,
Speaker 20: like according to FEC records, she's also been paid by
Speaker 20: the Alrid campaign in Texas to be like a youth
Speaker 20: outreach spokesperson. And so I think people are just trying
Speaker 20: to capitalize on the following that they have. Harry System
Speaker 20: was making tiktoks long before the DANC hired him, and
Speaker 20: they just wanted to capitalize on the momentum. But the
Speaker 20: problem is not just them propping these people up, because
Speaker 20: obviously they should hire people with big followings, right, But
Speaker 20: the issue is that once they do so, these influencers
Speaker 20: are going to be monetized and so their opinions are
Speaker 20: like pretty much bought and paid for from that point forward,
Speaker 20: and so we don't really know what these people are
Speaker 20: truly like trying to say or what they truly believe
Speaker 20: because they're just not authentic anymore.
Speaker 5: And you can see that.
Speaker 20: So clearly because four years ago I was one of
Speaker 20: Olivia Giuliana's biggest fans because she was very progressive and
Speaker 20: she was unapologetically like outspoken about the things that she
Speaker 20: cared about. And you know, lo and behold fast forward
Speaker 20: a few years, like now I don't really like her anymore,
Speaker 20: you know, because she does not stand for the same
Speaker 20: things that she did four years ago. Into back in
Speaker 20: twenty twenty, she propped up Joe Biden when literally ever
Speaker 20: one and their mom was calling on him to step down.
Speaker 5: It's pretty clear.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so let's let's let's roll So Olivi Juliana is
Speaker 6: now a campaign manager whatever she is, for this this
Speaker 6: other gen z uh whatever you call him, uh candidate
Speaker 6: in this Texas race.
Speaker 1: So let's let's roll this.
Speaker 6: This Instagram clip that they posted to, you know, sort
Speaker 6: of get their campaign off the ground.
Speaker 19: Guys, I'm here with my best friend Isaiah Martin, who's
Speaker 19: running for Congress, and ask someone who is on the
Speaker 19: campaign team, working day in and.
Speaker 5: Day out to make sure that he wins.
Speaker 19: I feel fantastic, Josh.
Speaker 5: How do you feel how do you feeling feeling good?
Speaker 18: Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 5: This is a.
Speaker 19: People focused, people powered campaign. We want this to be
Speaker 19: the most accessible congressional race in the country. We're gonna
Speaker 19: be trying new digital and messaging strategies that no other
Speaker 19: campaign has done before. Isaiah doesn't feel entitled to your
Speaker 19: vote just because he's a Democrat, just because he's young.
Speaker 19: You shouldn't have to support him for those things. We're
Speaker 19: gonna be working to convince you and earn your trust
Speaker 19: and show you that he's not going to be a
Speaker 19: spectator in Congress. He's going to be a fighter because
Speaker 19: we need Democrats.
Speaker 5: With the what Isaiah, he bucked it out trying it.
Speaker 5: We need democrats.
Speaker 4: I just need to say, for the life of me,
Speaker 4: I do not know how this happened, because this is
Speaker 4: what Republican millennial influencers were doing when I was in college.
Speaker 4: It was the exact same level of cringe and Dems
Speaker 4: were laughing their asses off at the Republican influencers. We
Speaker 4: didn't call them influencers at the time, but I like,
Speaker 4: it is just unfathomable how quickly this wish.
Speaker 6: The bottom has just completely fallen out, and if anybody.
Speaker 1: Doesn't believe it.
Speaker 6: After that, let's roll this is the campaign, it's a
Speaker 6: piece of the campaign. Ad that Isaiah Martin launched to
Speaker 6: get this campaign off the ground is like that, the
Speaker 6: more formal one.
Speaker 21: Let's let's roll that Donald Trump's done nothing for you,
Speaker 21: not for your family, not for your paychecks, and not
Speaker 21: for your future. Once so long ago that he promised
Speaker 21: you zero income texts a dollar and something for gas
Speaker 21: and two dollars eggs assist he's been in office, You've
Speaker 21: got none of that. Prices are up and jobs are down.
Speaker 21: You're working harder than ever, while Trump and his friends
Speaker 21: get richer than ever. It's left you asking yourself the
Speaker 21: question of who's fighting for me? I mean, seriously, who's
Speaker 21: fighting for you? It's certainly not Donald Trump. It's not
Speaker 21: the Republicans that shake your hand and ask.
Speaker 8: For your vote then do nothing for you.
Speaker 21: You see, they want you distract, they want you angry
Speaker 21: at your neighbors, so you don't pay attention to what
Speaker 21: they're really doing.
Speaker 1: Because if you see.
Speaker 21: Them for what they are, you know that Trump's America
Speaker 21: doesn't work for you. Things are bad, writer, you know that,
Speaker 21: and I know that they're throwing everything at you. So
Speaker 21: now's the time to be bold and fight fire with fire.
Speaker 21: You see, I believe in a democratic party that has
Speaker 21: a spine, a party that stands for something, a party
Speaker 21: that fights back, because, after all, we're the party that
Speaker 21: won World War two, were the party that gave you
Speaker 21: social security, the party that's built the strongest economy in
Speaker 21: the history of mankind.
Speaker 6: Okay, so he's gonna stand up or he's gonna fight
Speaker 6: fire with fire, the guy with the spine, So what
Speaker 6: is the fire? Can you tell us what his campaign
Speaker 6: is articulating it will do in office? What are the
Speaker 6: policy positions that Isaiah Martin's campaign is running on.
Speaker 18: So so many You can see them all listed on
Speaker 18: his website where he has a whopping zero policy mentioned,
Speaker 18: which sad me, it.
Speaker 8: Is just crazy.
Speaker 18: I don't think you can claim that you have a
Speaker 18: spine and then run a campaign with no policies. But
Speaker 18: I think the best way to look at this is
Speaker 18: to see what information is public about isam or right?
Speaker 8: And to put it.
Speaker 18: Simply, you know, there's no policy or priorities on his website,
Speaker 18: but when you google his name, you know on FEC
Speaker 18: records you can see that in this past congresional campaign
Speaker 18: for those of you who don't know he's run for the
Speaker 18: seat before, and it shows that he spent a whopping
Speaker 18: twelve thousand dollars on United Airlines fly tickets. Now, I
Speaker 18: don't know, I've never run for Congress before, but I
Speaker 18: don't think you need to fly from one end of
Speaker 18: your district to the other hand, like and spend thousands
Speaker 18: upon thousands.
Speaker 8: Upon thousands of dollars for it.
Speaker 18: So, to me, what I think the priority of this
Speaker 18: campaign is, you know, kind of pretending to care about
Speaker 18: youth issues, kind of casting the same old age old
Speaker 18: playbook that doesn't work and sprinkling a youth veil on it.
Speaker 18: Kind of representing gen Z in a way that simply
Speaker 18: doesn't represent them. And I think to me this, I mean,
Speaker 18: as someone who's like, you know, democratically elected by calls
Speaker 18: students across the country, I think that when you say
Speaker 18: you have a spy and you have to back it up,
Speaker 18: you know. So, Holly and I were part of the
Speaker 18: administration and Cause Democrats of America that spoke out against
Speaker 18: Biden's policy is in Israel because we felt that it
Speaker 18: was going to hurt him in the election cycle, and
Speaker 18: that's what happened that. Honestly, I hate to say it,
Speaker 18: but we were right. So I think that this, simply put,
Speaker 18: this is just regurgitation of the playbook of you know, Schumer,
Speaker 18: Biden and people in the past, trying to pretend that
Speaker 18: it's new and novel with someone who happens to be
Speaker 18: a number of gen Z.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so, Holly, I've seen you criticize Isaiah Martin's
Speaker 6: campaign for maybe he hasn't said in this campaigns he
Speaker 6: hasn't articulated any kind of policy ideas yet other than
Speaker 6: defending social security, but he has been pretty vocally supportive
Speaker 6: of Israel's assault.
Speaker 1: So what like, where does that stand.
Speaker 6: When it comes to a kind of a a gen
Speaker 6: z An articulation of a gen Z approach to politics.
Speaker 20: I think gen Z just cares a lot more like
Speaker 20: about the world, and I think that when it comes
Speaker 20: to these human rights violations, we are outspoken about it,
Speaker 20: like we are on apologetically going to say we think
Speaker 20: and what we think is well, you know, while most
Speaker 20: of gen Z's out on the streets protesting about these
Speaker 20: war crimes that our government is implicit in, Isaiah Martin's
Speaker 20: out here villainizing like student testers that are for the
Speaker 20: most part very peaceful. I think that is just a
Speaker 20: huge turn off becauset the end of the day, like
Speaker 20: you know, Gaza was a big issue and the reason
Speaker 20: that Democrats lost so many voters selection cycle, especially young people.
Speaker 20: And it's not because we voted for Trump. It's actually
Speaker 20: because a lot of us stayed home. And if people
Speaker 20: don't realize that and don't learn from their mistakes, like
Speaker 20: we're not going to win. And Isaiah Martin is most
Speaker 20: definitely not going to be representing gen Z very accurately
Speaker 20: if he's going to go buy that playbook, because he's
Speaker 20: not Biden, he's not Schumer, right, like he's twenty seven, Like.
Speaker 5: He has a lot of potential.
Speaker 20: He could really use this moment to do a lot
Speaker 20: for young people if he did it right. But he's not.
Speaker 20: And if you look at his video you can see that,
Speaker 20: like there's no substance in there. He just said Trump
Speaker 20: bad the entire time. I don't really know what it
Speaker 20: means to have a spine for him.
Speaker 4: And speaking of Chuck Schumer, we've seen Alexandria Kosio Kortez
Speaker 4: tag along with Bernie Sanders in the aftermath of Chuck
Speaker 4: Schumer's decision not to shut down the government, we've seen
Speaker 4: Democrats flooding Republican districts and going to their town halls,
Speaker 4: I think, very effectively. So I'm curious for both your
Speaker 4: perspectives as to whether that ma feels like it's opening
Speaker 4: things up a little bit. That you know, Democrats nationally,
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party leadership is more open to at least
Speaker 4: maybe indulging the populist rhetoric and allowing people to or
Speaker 4: or maybe I guess, let's put it this way, understanding
Speaker 4: the political value of the more populist rhetoric of sort
Speaker 4: of pushing back on the establishment. There was that poll
Speaker 4: what was this last week of the week before Ryan
Speaker 4: that found Democratic Party voters actually upset with the party
Speaker 4: at levels that are historically have historically not been seen recently.
Speaker 4: So are you guys sensing I mean you you guys
Speaker 4: would be in a position to sort of get a sense.
Speaker 5: Do you think that's opening things up?
Speaker 8: I think just got to contextualize.
Speaker 18: So, so, Holly and I, as VP and President claus
Speaker 18: On Recruts of America, we are one of the four
Speaker 18: hundred and forty eight DNC members who which has two
Speaker 18: major powers, one being super delegance and two being able
Speaker 18: to cast a vote in officer elections.
Speaker 8: And I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 18: I'm very positive kind of about the where the direction
Speaker 18: of this officer team has taken us with largely because
Speaker 18: it's a major shift from I think the kind of
Speaker 18: corporate esque attitude that we're used to. You know, Ken Martin,
Speaker 18: who leads a DNC now is someone who comes from
Speaker 18: a union background. He's from Minnesota, into the state that
Speaker 18: produced Tim Wolls, that is one of the most progressive
Speaker 18: states in the country despite having such a slim majority.
Speaker 8: But it's not just him.
Speaker 18: You also have, you know, DNC a vice chair David Hogg,
Speaker 18: someone who's built their career off running young people for
Speaker 18: positions of power. You have UH state Senator or state
Speaker 18: Assemblyman Malcolm Kenyatta, who was the person who primary John
Speaker 18: Fetterman like that guy is sitting in a DNC vice
Speaker 18: chair seat. You have Arty Blanco who's a DNC vice
Speaker 18: chair who's in charge of the political wing of the
Speaker 18: fl CIO. Another union person I'm and Chosty Conrad sitting
Speaker 18: on an associate chair seat who is one of the
Speaker 18: most progressive state chairs in the country. So I think
Speaker 18: that this new board is very different from what we're
Speaker 18: used to and kind of they're a lot more open,
Speaker 18: goint of indulging the ideas of kind of Sully and
Speaker 18: I have of like, hey, what if in order to
Speaker 18: turn out gen Z, you actually represent gen Z. And
Speaker 18: I think that they understand that a lot better than
Speaker 18: the leadership that was in power prior to the time
Speaker 18: that I served.
Speaker 8: Just call subcuts America President.
Speaker 1: Well soon, Jay so Holly fighting an uphill battle to
Speaker 1: make the Democratic Party a less awful institution.
Speaker 6: But we applaud your civic efforts. Thank you so much
Speaker 6: for joining us. Hopefully we've we've figured out this form
Speaker 6: over substance problem that Democrats seem to have with gen Z. Now,
Speaker 6: Palestinian journalists Hosam Shabbat was deliberately targeted and assassinated yesterday
Speaker 6: in northern Gaza. Sharif abdel Cadus was his editor at
Speaker 6: drop site News.
Speaker 1: He joins us now to talk about Hossam's life and
Speaker 1: his death. Shariff, thank you for joining.
Speaker 22: Us, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: So can you talk a little bit about who who
Speaker 1: Hassam was?
Speaker 22: Yeah, Jossem was a young journalist twenty three years old
Speaker 22: who grew up in bid Hanun, which is on the
Speaker 22: northeastern edge of Gaza. He was a correspondent for Al
Speaker 22: Jazeera Mobejir and he quickly became the face on television
Speaker 22: for millions of people around the Arab world. Because he
Speaker 22: was one of the few journalists in Gaza who remained
Speaker 22: in the north throughout the seventeen months of israel genocidal
Speaker 22: assault there was he received many threats along with his colleagues,
Speaker 22: especially another Al Jazeera correspondent, Anasta Shiv, directly from the
Speaker 22: Israeli military, telling them that they had to displace to
Speaker 22: the south because in the north was where, at certain
Speaker 22: periods where Israel really concentrated its extermination campaign, especially in
Speaker 22: October of last year, in the north of Gaza, and
Speaker 22: it was only people like Jossem and the Belief and
Speaker 22: other journalists that we really understood what was happening on
Speaker 22: the ground. And throughout these seventeen months m he witnessed
Speaker 22: the unimaginable death and suffering. Almost every single day he
Speaker 22: was displaced over twenty times. He said that he couldn't sleep,
Speaker 22: he was exhausted. He was often very hungry as Israel
Speaker 22: imposed for starvation, especially in the North, and he buried
Speaker 22: many of his colleagues and his friends over this period.
Speaker 22: And despite that, he was determined to continue to cover
Speaker 22: the genocide of his own people and with file reports
Speaker 22: almost every single day. He was very active on social
Speaker 22: media as well. And in October he was put on
Speaker 22: a list of six journalists, all in the North, all
Speaker 22: working for Al Jazeera, who say not all of them
Speaker 22: working for Eljizier, but six journalists. The Israeli military deemed
Speaker 22: them as militants and put out a list and it
Speaker 22: was essentially a hit list. And we saw the spokesperson
Speaker 22: for Israeli military, spokesperson in Arabic, his name is avihe Adrai,
Speaker 22: you know, posting videos of himself speaking, calling out, calling
Speaker 22: out Anasa Hidiev by name, and basically saying that you
Speaker 22: know you, terrorists were going to get you. And this
Speaker 22: was in October, and Josem is the first of the
Speaker 22: six to be killed. He was bombed while driving in
Speaker 22: his car and bait Lahya. Just an hour earlier, Israel
Speaker 22: had killed another journalist, Hammad Montsour of Palestine. Today. Oseam's
Speaker 22: last social media post was about Muhammad saying that another
Speaker 22: journalist had been martyred and then he was killed, and
Speaker 22: it's a very tragic loss, and his voice will be
Speaker 22: will be messed in Hosevri. You know, he wrote a
Speaker 22: letter to be published in the event of his death.
Speaker 22: He knew he was going to probably be killed, and
Speaker 22: it opens with him saying, if you're reading this, I
Speaker 22: most probably have been if you're reading this, have been killed,
Speaker 22: most probably by the Israeli occupation forces. And his colleagues
Speaker 22: and friends published that letter yesterday.
Speaker 4: Do you have any favorite memories or stories that stand
Speaker 4: out just from editing him over the course of this
Speaker 4: impossible duty that he felt he had to cover the war.
Speaker 22: I mean, he was a very warm and kind person.
Speaker 22: You know. When I asked him his age at one point,
Speaker 22: I think for the second article I was editing and
Speaker 22: I was writing a preamble for him, he wrote, you know,
Speaker 22: ha ha ha, I'm twenty four. And then he said, actually,
Speaker 22: I haven't even turned twenty four. I'm twenty three. I'm
Speaker 22: really young, right, And I said, I told him, you know,
Speaker 22: you're young in age, but in experience you have a
Speaker 22: lot of experience. But then he said, you know, I'm
Speaker 22: so tired. I'm so tired, but I'm going to keep
Speaker 22: doing this. But you know, like our last interaction, which
Speaker 22: was a few hours before he was killed, he reached
Speaker 22: out to me and he said, Habibi, I miss you.
Speaker 22: I checked in on him. How are you doing in Jabelliah?
Speaker 22: He said things are tough. He filed his peace and
Speaker 22: then he asked me when is it going to come out?
Speaker 22: So I said, Sam, I sudden need to translate it,
Speaker 22: we need to edit it. I'll get it out for
Speaker 22: you tomorrow morning. This was Sunday night, New York time,
Speaker 22: which would have been like five am his time. So
Speaker 22: he said, I want to get it out urgently. I'm
Speaker 22: going to public Can I publish it in Arabic? I said, okay,
Speaker 22: if you want to publish parts of it in Arabic,
Speaker 22: that's fine, but leave us something for drop site that's extra.
Speaker 22: And then he was like, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'll
Speaker 22: give it all to you. So he was that was
Speaker 22: kind of his yeah, his attitude, but he also was
Speaker 22: like very very determined to he did want to have
Speaker 22: his writing. He was very enthusiastic about reporting for drop sites,
Speaker 22: for having another outlet for working in print for having
Speaker 22: his work translated, and it was my honor to be
Speaker 22: a part of that. And yeah, he was killed hours later,
Speaker 22: and it was very, very shocking because I was just
Speaker 22: in touch with him, and you know, I woke up
Speaker 22: and I sent some more follow up questions for the piece.
Speaker 22: And what haunts me is I think, you know, was
Speaker 22: that message that I was sending, was his phone going
Speaker 22: off in his pocket as he was lying on the floor,
Speaker 22: dead or dying. These things haunt me, But you know,
Speaker 22: I try to remember his his work and his dedication
Speaker 22: and his contribution to the Palestinian coast.
Speaker 6: You've talked about how in December, I think it was
Speaker 6: in December where he was talking about hitting his limit
Speaker 6: almost that, talking about how much he hated what he
Speaker 6: was doing and just banging his head against the wall
Speaker 6: and screaming into a void to a world that isn't listening.
Speaker 6: At the same at the same time, like his final
Speaker 6: letter to the world is you know, don't don't give up.
Speaker 6: And and to his you know, dying day, he was
Speaker 6: he was continuing, continuing to fight, continuing to write, continuing
Speaker 6: to report.
Speaker 1: And I was also thinking about how Israel's decision to
Speaker 1: kill him.
Speaker 6: To assassinate him, in some ways undercuts the idea that
Speaker 6: what he was doing wasn't having an effect like they
Speaker 6: Why would that one of the most powerful militaries in
Speaker 6: the world feel the need to assassinate an unarmed journalist
Speaker 6: if the words he was writing and the work and
Speaker 6: what what he was sharing on social media actually didn't
Speaker 6: have any effect. So even though as we sit here
Speaker 6: we see things getting worse and worse and worse, and
Speaker 6: let's talk in a moment about the conditions on the
Speaker 6: ground there, at least from the perspective of the israelis
Speaker 6: that journalism it does still remain to be a threat.
Speaker 6: How do you answer these questions as you go through
Speaker 6: a life that sometimes seems pointless but clearly can't be
Speaker 6: if it's such a threat.
Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean those comments in December. Obviously, like anyone,
Speaker 22: he would swing between determination and de spare. When I
Speaker 22: messaged him in December to check in on him, it
Speaker 22: was after five journalists were killed in a single airstrike
Speaker 22: on their vehicle. I think it was Christmas Day, So
Speaker 22: I just checked in on him and he said, you know,
Speaker 22: I hate this world. No one is doing anything. Our
Speaker 22: job is only to die. When I speak with my
Speaker 22: colleagues now we just speak about whose turn is it next.
Speaker 22: So I think there was deep frustration the silence of
Speaker 22: the world, and we can talk about the silence of
Speaker 22: Western media institutions about people like Hossem and the more
Speaker 22: than two hundred journalists who have been killed. There isn't
Speaker 22: a level of outrage that there should be, and people
Speaker 22: like Cossem would still be alive if there was. I
Speaker 22: truly do believe that. But Hosem was effective. He was
Speaker 22: covering things where no one was there was. The first
Speaker 22: piece he filed for us was this searing account of
Speaker 22: the force displacement of Bitlahea during was essentially an extermination
Speaker 22: campaign in the very north of Gaza in October November
Speaker 22: of last year. And he was one of the very
Speaker 22: few people that was there seeing people coming out. He
Speaker 22: wasn't physically there because I don't think anyone could survive,
Speaker 22: but he was right on the outskirts seeing people come out,
Speaker 22: and he filed the story. And so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 22: the Israeli military very explicitly did not want journalists there.
Speaker 22: They kept telling them, threatening them go to the south, stop,
Speaker 22: don't report from here. And then eventually put them on
Speaker 22: this list. And then yesterday, you know, the idea of
Speaker 22: official Twitter account celebrates the killing of Hossein, says he
Speaker 22: was not a journalist, he was a terrorist. Don't let
Speaker 22: the press vest fool you. And then Avice Andrei, that
Speaker 22: despicable spokesperson in Arabic for the Isavily military, is celebrating
Speaker 22: his killing. He is put out a video of himself
Speaker 22: speaking saying again, wasn't a journalist? Who's a terrorist? Once
Speaker 22: again posting these documents they said that they discovered showing
Speaker 22: Hossem was actually a militant and a bit Hanun battalion
Speaker 22: of Hamez. This is the same military and the same
Speaker 22: guy who you know, have justified the killing of doctors,
Speaker 22: of UN workers, of children. They often released these documents
Speaker 22: purporting to show that they have proof that these journalists
Speaker 22: are not journalists. In July of last year, these really
Speaker 22: military killed Al Jazeera journalist Is Smile Rule was actually
Speaker 22: a very very close friend of Hosem's, decapitated him in
Speaker 22: the airstrike. It also killed his cameraman Romin DRIFFI. Then
Speaker 22: is really Military released a document it said it supported
Speaker 22: claims that Ismail was I received a military ranking from
Speaker 22: Hamez in two thousand and seven, when he was ten
Speaker 22: years old. This is how ridiculous their alleged claims are,
Speaker 22: and it's shameful that both the United States and Western
Speaker 22: media institutions have not spoken out against the killing of
Speaker 22: over two hundred journalists. We knew very very early on
Speaker 22: that Israel was doing something different in targeting the press
Speaker 22: this time. In the first ten weeks of the war,
Speaker 22: more journalists were killed in Gaza than had been killed
Speaker 22: in any country over an entire year, according to CPJ,
Speaker 22: So we knew that there was something different happening here,
Speaker 22: and there was not the outrage that by legacy media
Speaker 22: institutions in this country around this, and this allows for
Speaker 22: this killing to continue, and it's not only continuing, it's
Speaker 22: getting worse. Before they would deny they killed the journalists,
Speaker 22: or say it was collateral damage, that they were trying
Speaker 22: to get a Hames meltant and the journalist was unfortunate
Speaker 22: consequence of the bombing, or they would kill the journalists
Speaker 22: and then like a smile, we'll say afterwards that they
Speaker 22: were militant, and now they're openly just hunting them, saying, oh,
Speaker 22: these ones are journalists, and we're going to these ones
Speaker 22: are not journalists and we're to kill them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so this has been allowed to happen.
Speaker 1: And with the fhlimsias of evidence.
Speaker 6: One of the documents that you reference claims that he
Speaker 6: took part in some battalion training in twenty nineteen when
Speaker 6: he would have been sixteen or seventeen years old, which, like,
Speaker 6: even in a fantasy land where we just completely accept
Speaker 6: every document that they put forward, even if it were
Speaker 6: true that there was some high school training program, like,
Speaker 6: nobody would argue that Barakravid or any other Israeli journalists
Speaker 6: who serve time in the reserves years earlier should be
Speaker 6: killed while on camera. And the other point on the
Speaker 6: question of whether or not he was a journalist, he
Speaker 6: has been doing journalism every day since October seventh and
Speaker 6: before but since then, and so every single day we
Speaker 6: have the evidence of what he is doing because he
Speaker 6: is doing it publicly, live streaming and when possible, posting
Speaker 6: to social media, writing pieces. At what point did he
Speaker 6: manage to create this secret life? And it's it's like
Speaker 6: it of course, when you start to think about it,
Speaker 6: it all, it all completely crumbles and the hope among
Speaker 6: the propagandas is that nobody will think about it because
Speaker 6: like this would you wouldn't a terrorist and then just
Speaker 6: beyond television all day, like that's like that would be
Speaker 6: a company.
Speaker 13: I think.
Speaker 22: Also, what's what's more saddening in a way, is that
Speaker 22: no one's even paying attention. That it's not being discussed
Speaker 22: whether he was a journalist or a terrorist or militant,
Speaker 22: and whether the Israeli claims are true or not. It's
Speaker 22: just he's killed and it's just normal. It's normal state
Speaker 22: of affairs. The way it's been normalized that Israel, as
Speaker 22: it did a few days ago, can bomb a hospital,
Speaker 22: the biggest hospital.
Speaker 8: Let's just become normal.
Speaker 22: That the way they can kill over two hundred children
Speaker 22: in a matter of hours, and it isn't you know
Speaker 22: this massive outrage around the world. Think these things have
Speaker 22: become normalized, and it's it's it's allowing the killing to continue.
Speaker 6: And for the audience doesn't know, uh doesn't know Shari've
Speaker 6: played a lead role in a documentary about the killing
Speaker 6: of Sharina booklet, and it's painful to think that things
Speaker 6: were better than when Israel was at least starting out
Speaker 6: by denying their role, and the world cared. The world
Speaker 6: wanted to find out what happened. Now they're forecasting what
Speaker 6: they're going to do doing it, and nobody cares.
Speaker 4: Sure if we can roll this clip, it's a voiceover
Speaker 4: clip of Hassam's mother. People who are watching this can
Speaker 4: see it on the screen. But I imagine, even as
Speaker 4: it feels as though people in the United States are
Speaker 4: sort of tuned out and maybe numb at best, in Gaza,
Speaker 4: this is playing out very differently. I imagine the reaction
Speaker 4: on the ground with people that you guys have talked
Speaker 4: to your sources is mourning and not shock, because Hassam
Speaker 4: himself seemed to expect that this would happen at some point.
Speaker 4: But I'm sure it's hit people very hard.
Speaker 22: Solutely, you know. Jossem told me at one point, he said,
Speaker 22: you know, I haven't seen my family for well over
Speaker 22: a year because they all displaced to the South. He
Speaker 22: was in January or early February. He was reunited with
Speaker 22: his mother for the first time in four hundred and
Speaker 22: ninety two days. He hadn't seen her. There's a very
Speaker 22: moving video of them hugging. Excuse me, Yeah, he has
Speaker 22: several siblings. You know, after a few hours after his death,
Speaker 22: I got a notification my phone from his WhatsApp, which
Speaker 22: was very shocking because that's the way I communicate with him,
Speaker 22: and I was just trying to process that he died
Speaker 22: and I got a message saying, God have mercy on him,
Speaker 22: and I wrote back, God have mercy on him. Who's this?
Speaker 22: He said, it's his brother with M. He sent him
Speaker 22: a long voice note saying how much Hassem meant to
Speaker 22: drop site news and to me and how important his
Speaker 22: work was. And you know, the brothers very appreciative of that,
Speaker 22: but not Sem was. As many of these journalists are
Speaker 22: their kind of heroes in Gaza. At the beginning of
Speaker 22: the so called ceasefire in January, when the actual bombs
Speaker 22: stopped raining down and there was some kind of reprieve,
Speaker 22: many of them were hoisted onto the shoulders of people.
Speaker 22: There's video of rosem being hoisted onto the shoulders of
Speaker 22: just people in the north celebrating him in his work.
Speaker 22: And we saw scenes of his funeral yesterday being carried
Speaker 22: and with his press vest on him to honor his work.
Speaker 22: So yeah, I'm beside myself about it and.
Speaker 6: Angry as well, and since March second, which predates the
Speaker 6: complete collapse of the seas fire, the destruction of the
Speaker 6: ceasefire by Israel. Israel had you reinstituted the complete siege
Speaker 6: and nothing has been able to get in to Gaza
Speaker 6: since since March second, there were protests. We can roll
Speaker 6: a little bit of that clip there yesterday which Western
Speaker 6: media was seizing on some expressions of anti Hamas sentiment.
Speaker 1: As some of these protests, there may be some more schedule.
Speaker 6: Today you hear a lot of people saying and the
Speaker 6: siege and and the war designs, talking about the ending,
Speaker 6: ending the occupation.
Speaker 1: What are you understanding our.
Speaker 6: Conditions now three weeks into the complete shut off of
Speaker 6: supplies getting into nearly two million people.
Speaker 22: I mean people are this is reimposed for starvation again.
Speaker 22: As you know, one of our own contributors about Bocra
Speaker 22: Abbad is suffering from malnutrition. Now he's twenty two years old.
Speaker 22: He messaged me the other day. Body's aching. He's in
Speaker 22: deep pain. He's exhausted, he kind of can't get out
Speaker 22: of bed really well. He needs s galvanized multi vitamins
Speaker 22: and other things. Speaking to doctors that we know some
Speaker 22: American doctors and Palestinian doctors who are on the ground
Speaker 22: there seeing if we can get them anything, and they
Speaker 22: hardly have any supplies. Two doctors American doctors yesterday said
Speaker 22: who work at Nassat Hospital and were there when it
Speaker 22: was bombed by the Israelis a few days ago, so
Speaker 22: that the hospital is going to last another week and
Speaker 22: without any more supplies that they just really can't function.
Speaker 22: So it's on top of an very much escalated bombing campaign.
Speaker 22: The Ministry of Health this morning put out statistics on
Speaker 22: just since last week, since last Tuesday, when this re
Speaker 22: escalation of the airline bombardment began, there's eight hundred and
Speaker 22: thirty people have been killed already and among them is
Speaker 22: over three hundred children. Tree twenty children have been killed.
Speaker 22: So there's bombing happening, there's a complete siege. There's also
Speaker 22: forced evacuation or force displacement orders happening all around. They
Speaker 22: happened first in bitter Known where Hassem was originally from.
Speaker 22: They are happening in Bitlahya, in parts of eastern Conunis.
Speaker 22: Today there was displacement orders for parts of Gaza City.
Speaker 22: And I think something like Unroa said within the over
Speaker 22: the past week one hundred and thirty thousand Palestinians have
Speaker 22: been redisplaced already. This seems like it's laying the groundwork
Speaker 22: for another massive ground incursion by Israeli ground troops. So
Speaker 22: the situation is terrible, and there's also some sort of
Speaker 22: fatigue of people. I just don't feel the same kind
Speaker 22: of outrage of people here in this country around what's happening.
Speaker 22: There's a lot that they're dealing with with Trump and
Speaker 22: Musk and people being deported, but I feel like the
Speaker 22: Israeli seem to have a green light now. They did
Speaker 22: their few weeks of a so called seasfire, and now
Speaker 22: they're just went to come in and finish off what
Speaker 22: they haven't. So it's very terrifying. And I can't even imagine,
Speaker 22: for example, the five other journalists that were put on
Speaker 22: that hit list, what they must be feeling after Rosem
Speaker 22: was killed and they're celebrating his death. Can you imagine
Speaker 22: what it must be like.
Speaker 6: Especially rones, like drones concently flying over top, knowing that
Speaker 6: the people who operate those drones have promised that they're
Speaker 6: going to kill you, Like, what must it be like
Speaker 6: to drive around, walk around, not just for yourself you know,
Speaker 6: Sam's best friend was killed alongside him. You probably feel
Speaker 6: some radioactivity around others. You will go to visit your blue,
Speaker 6: go to visit your family. You wonder if you're you
Speaker 6: wonder if you're putting your family at risk just by existing.
Speaker 22: You know, I was in touch with another drop SEC
Speaker 22: contributary yesterday Russia, Boujeleel, who is in Gaza City. She
Speaker 22: went there back there after the seas fire. She almost
Speaker 22: died last week when they Israeli's bombed the house right
Speaker 22: next to her, bombed her neighbor and the wall collapsed
Speaker 22: on the room where she usually sleeps with her husband
Speaker 22: and five children, but they were in another room because
Speaker 22: it was warmer, so they miraculously survived. She's saying that
Speaker 22: people are being all these people who are being displaced,
Speaker 22: they're mostly coming to that area of Gaza City that
Speaker 22: she's in and there's literally nothing to no shelter, so
Speaker 22: there's just rubble. They don't even have tens or makeshift tarps.
Speaker 22: They're just literally like on the rubble. She said. People
Speaker 22: are starving to the degree that she saw family go
Speaker 22: out to the beach and they caught a turtle and
Speaker 22: ate it. So you know, and she it's just almost
Speaker 22: kind of unimaginable what's happening, and it's just escalating and escalating,
Speaker 22: and the world is just watching as it's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this indeed, sureif Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us and deeply appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: Shout out to producer Griffin because we are covering the
Speaker 4: snow White story.
Speaker 5: Not due to Maya and Ryan's deep devotion of two
Speaker 5: snow White and Disney.
Speaker 4: But you know what, there's actually some interesting stuff going
Speaker 4: on here, so let's get into it.
Speaker 5: We can put g one up on the screen.
Speaker 4: This is a post from Variety which says, quote after
Speaker 4: Rachel Ziegeler hit the stage at Disney' D twenty three
Speaker 4: fan event to introduce the first official trailer of Snow White,
Speaker 4: she thinks of words effusively at an ex post. One
Speaker 4: minute later, she added an afterthought in the same thread,
Speaker 4: quote and always remember free Palestine. So that was what
Speaker 4: Ziegler posted, and Variety goes on a report many inside
Speaker 4: the studio express shock that she would commingle the promotion
Speaker 4: of its two hundred and seventy million dollars ten poll
Speaker 4: with any kind of political statement. The film's producer flew
Speaker 4: to New York to speak with her, but Ziegler stood.
Speaker 5: Her ground and the post remained.
Speaker 4: Now we can put G two up on the screen
Speaker 4: because it's going to get even more interesting if you haven't.
Speaker 5: Been following this quote behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: This is from sixteen death threats towards Zigler's co star
Speaker 4: Gal Gado, who is Israeli spiked and Disney had to
Speaker 4: pay for additional security for the mother of four quote.
Speaker 4: She didn't understand the repercussions of her actions as far
Speaker 4: as what that meant for the film, for Gal for anyone.
Speaker 4: So sorry, that's not actually from sixty minutes. That's also
Speaker 4: from the Variety piece. So that's Variety has like a
Speaker 4: kind of TikTok of what was happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: Not surprising at all that this is what's happening behind
Speaker 4: the scenes of Disney. But before we get into it
Speaker 4: even more, Ryan, I just want to say the Semophore
Speaker 4: newsletter had an interesting tidbut about this. They said, as
Speaker 4: many people know, this movie is not doing very well
Speaker 4: at the box office compared to the amount of money
Speaker 4: that was poured into it, despite a soft weekend opening,
Speaker 4: Semophore wrote in its newsletter a couple of days ago,
Speaker 4: the political backlash isn't what seemed to hurt the movie's performance,
Speaker 4: because Snow White overperformed in Republican leaning areas and did
Speaker 4: well among Latino and Hispanic audiences. So I mean that
Speaker 4: doesn't quite Rebut the point about whether all of this
Speaker 4: politico political uh fiasco had anything to do with why
Speaker 4: ittt had a quote soft weekend opening.
Speaker 5: It is getting absolutely.
Speaker 4: Trashed by critics, not like conservative critics, and it is
Speaker 4: getting slammed across the board for being terrible, but it
Speaker 4: does I mean, I think over performing Republican leaning areas.
Speaker 4: Kad Of tells you that it's probably not the politics
Speaker 4: that's ultimately the biggest albatross for the snow White.
Speaker 1: Film, And I would hope that nobody would even think that.
Speaker 6: It's like, come on, like her tweeting Free Palestine is
Speaker 6: not going you know two months later, No, you know,
Speaker 6: really damaged.
Speaker 1: I think the box upics whether or not, whether not
Speaker 1: the movie is any good, it's really what's what's going
Speaker 1: to drive it in the end.
Speaker 6: We could put up G four Yeah, if we have
Speaker 6: a minute here. So this is this is UH Mark Platt,
Speaker 6: this is about the kind of pressure on people inside
Speaker 6: Hollywood not to kind of speak up on behalf of Palestine.
Speaker 6: Here's Mark Platt. This is them talking kind of about
Speaker 6: the Wicked Cast.
Speaker 23: Several members of the Wicked Cast have been active, at
Speaker 23: least online in their opposition to Israel artists for a ceasefire.
Speaker 23: As someone who cares so much about your professional relationships
Speaker 23: and the product you're making on set, how do you
Speaker 23: navigate that.
Speaker 24: I talk to people, and I think people are told
Speaker 24: that something is about something in a very reductive way,
Speaker 24: and it feels like who doesn't care about innocent right tragedy,
Speaker 24: innocent civilians. No decent human being wants any suffering in
Speaker 24: humanity from decent people. What happens in instances is individuals
Speaker 24: describe their names to something where they're not being completely informed,
Speaker 24: and the messaging to them is they're.
Speaker 8: Suffering here, right, we have to speak out for suffering.
Speaker 24: The message doesn't include there's also suffering over here, or
Speaker 24: there's suffering that was prompted or instigated by an act
Speaker 24: of terror or an act of evil, or there's a
Speaker 24: terrorist group in place that wishes for the annihilation of
Speaker 24: a whole group of people that gets left out of
Speaker 24: the conversation. And so my way ABI is when the
Speaker 24: moment is right, is to have that conversation where it
Speaker 24: can be heard and where what I'm saying can be heard,
Speaker 24: not in the midst of anger, where it can be
Speaker 24: heard and.
Speaker 8: Processed and therefore understood.
Speaker 24: And I feel good about those conversations that have.
Speaker 6: Been had right And so, according to Variety, platt Head
Speaker 6: made that same pitch to her say, Hey, you really
Speaker 6: don't understand that. Actually, I guess you know, they're all
Speaker 6: asking for.
Speaker 1: It and we can and she did not. She declined
Speaker 1: to take it down.
Speaker 5: We could put G three on the screen as well.
Speaker 5: This is an interesting point.
Speaker 4: The writer of the article of the Variety piece familiar
Speaker 4: byline to people who fall Hollywood duws, just Tatiana Seagull, also,
Speaker 4: as this user on x points out, made the hit
Speaker 4: pieces against Melissa Barrera and Amber heard so very inside
Speaker 4: Hollywood type of analysis there, but still fairly interesting because
Speaker 4: your point about the pressures from a company like Disney
Speaker 4: Massive Corporation, which has millions and millions of dollars on
Speaker 4: the line with this movie, you know, this is one
Speaker 4: of the more interesting I think cauldrons of political pressures
Speaker 4: because snow White. One of the reasons that it just
Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't seen it. Your kids are right,
Speaker 4: they like it. Fine, that's fine, Yeah, I mean one
Speaker 4: of the reasons I think it's and critics have pointed
Speaker 4: this out, one of the reasons it's struggling is that
Speaker 4: Disney had they were sort of excited about this movie
Speaker 4: in an era before the quote unquote vibe shift after
Speaker 4: Trump wins the election, and some of their movies that
Speaker 4: they had kind of intentionally framed to be I don't
Speaker 4: want to say the word woke, because I don't think
Speaker 4: that's right, but sort of signaling or gesturing at like
Speaker 4: the progressive cultural worldview. They were really excited about those projects,
Speaker 4: put a lot of money into them, and they mostly
Speaker 4: haven't done well.
Speaker 5: They haven't been great products. And again that's because you
Speaker 5: have a.
Speaker 4: You have a corporation attempting to like latch on to
Speaker 4: this progressive messaging. And so it's incredibly confused because they
Speaker 4: don't really buy the sort of progressive class critique, but
Speaker 4: they can easily buy you've written about this, they can
Speaker 4: easily buy the identity critique where it does the skin
Speaker 4: suit and you know type of and start promoting these
Speaker 4: types of things, and so it ends up making a
Speaker 4: really confused product at the end of the day, like
Speaker 4: this one.
Speaker 5: They took the dwarves out like they literally he edited
Speaker 5: the dwarves.
Speaker 4: Out of the snow Whites movie because Peter Dinglish and
Speaker 4: others complained in the era of I guess people will
Speaker 4: call it like peak woke capital p capitol w that
Speaker 4: it was insensitive to cast actual people in that role.
Speaker 4: So they ended up using CGI and that the effect
Speaker 4: of that on the movie has to be devastating, like
Speaker 4: just that in and of itself, to take the live
Speaker 4: action human beings out of it and replace them with
Speaker 4: CGI had to have been insane.
Speaker 6: And in a related scandal, and we can put this
Speaker 6: up up in post. Yesterday we covered the assault on.
Speaker 1: Balal Hams and the co director Hamden Bal, the co
Speaker 1: director of No Other Land, by a group of settlers
Speaker 1: in Israel.
Speaker 6: So this is, you know, just weeks ago, he wins
Speaker 6: an oscar, goes back to the West Bank where he
Speaker 6: gets gets assaulted. The Israeli security forces pick him up
Speaker 6: after this assault. You've all Abraham who was his co
Speaker 6: director journal a Jewish Israeli journalist at nine to seven two,
Speaker 6: who also won an Oscar and was appeared with him
Speaker 6: on the.
Speaker 1: Stage, posted this morning, so he wrote sadly.
Speaker 6: The US Academy, which awarded us in Oscar three weeks ago,
Speaker 6: declined to publicly support Hamdan Blal while he was beaten
Speaker 6: and tortured by Israeli soldiers and settlers. The European Academy
Speaker 6: voiced support, as did countless other award groups and festivals.
Speaker 6: Several US Academy members, especially in the documentary branch, pushed
Speaker 6: for a statement, but was ultimately refused. We were told
Speaker 6: that because other Palestinians were beaten up in the settler attack,
Speaker 6: it could be considered unrelated to the film, so they felt.
Speaker 1: No need to respond.
Speaker 6: In other words, while Hamdan was clearly targeted for making
Speaker 6: no other land parentheses, he recalled soldiers joking about the
Speaker 6: Oscar as they tortured him, he was also targeted for
Speaker 6: being Palestinian, like countless others every day who are disregarded. This,
Speaker 6: it seems, gave the Academy an excuse to remain silent
Speaker 6: when a filmmaker they honored living under Israeli occupation needed
Speaker 6: them the most it's not too late to change this stance.
Speaker 1: Even now.
Speaker 6: Issuing a statement condemning the attack on how I'm don
Speaker 6: and the Masa Feryata community would send a meaningful message
Speaker 6: and serve as a deterrent for the future. That's you've
Speaker 6: all Abraham talking about the politics in the industry.
Speaker 1: That we're talking about here.
Speaker 4: I have an optimistic take on this, which is that
Speaker 4: the public backlash to the era of what felt like
Speaker 4: sort of stifling, especially to a lot of people, even
Speaker 4: a lot of people who are on the left. We
Speaker 4: talk to people who work in the entertainment industry, it
Speaker 4: seems like the public backlash to that may actually benefit
Speaker 4: everyone in just a much freer, more open environment in general.
Speaker 4: Like I was at Yale last night doing a debate,
Speaker 4: and it just was remarkable to me. I had graduated
Speaker 4: from college only ten years ago. The way that they
Speaker 4: talk about politics is so much more liberated than the way,
Speaker 4: especially people on the left talked about politics when I
Speaker 4: was there. It just as they just they would ask questions.
Speaker 4: We did a dinner beforehand, and they were asking questions
Speaker 4: to me and to the other speaker that people.
Speaker 5: Would have been like couching with, you know, if it
Speaker 5: were twenty twelve. Like, you know, some people think this
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but
Speaker 5: like what.
Speaker 4: It's just like everyone could speak freely for the most part,
Speaker 4: and you know, nobody said anything like offensive obviously, but
Speaker 4: asking legitimate questions. I don't know if you've noticed this. Actually,
Speaker 4: like it would be interesting for like an elephant in
Speaker 4: the Zoom follow up. I feel like there's just generally
Speaker 4: people are taking a breath, and I feel like that's.
Speaker 1: Good for Yeah, everyone, there's sort of yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: elements that are still completely dug in hasn't gotten there yet,
Speaker 1: but we'll see still fighting it out in some of
Speaker 1: those some of these specific islands.
Speaker 5: Well, well we'll see what happens. But anyway, Disney, what
Speaker 5: a company, what a what a time. Uh, this was fun.
Speaker 1: We'll see the film and report back. No, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: get my twins on they can do a review.
Speaker 5: Actually, that's a great idea. So Ryan, you're back here.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, back here tomorrow and then that set.
Speaker 16: In this seat.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, it's always Yeah, Crystal's out this week,
Speaker 4: so I don't know if we'll be here on Friday.
Speaker 1: But oh that's right. We'll have to organize it ourselves.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we go around, we'll do we'll do
Speaker 1: that for you. Yes, right, you're around Friday. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll do that for you. Cool honor of Crystal Cool. Well,
Speaker 1: and maybe she'll be able to join.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you can bank up also complaints against soccer
Speaker 4: that you can sort of air your a grievances on
Speaker 4: Friday after a week soccer.
Speaker 5: We can just do that.
Speaker 4: So far, so good, many such cases. All right, well
Speaker 4: you guys then, thanks everyone tuning in. Yeah, we'll see
Speaker 4: you guys then