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Speaker 4: Hi, good morning.

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Speaker 1: We'll have the counterpoints Emily. I've been hanging out in

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Speaker 1: the studio all week long.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm alo to say, here's some feminine energy

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Speaker 4: for you.

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Speaker 1: Pathbro show.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, although sometimes I think I'm more of

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Speaker 4: a bro than Sager. No offense Sager, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he doesn't always throw out.

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Speaker 5: He can even drink beer. All right. So we've got

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Speaker 5: a huge.

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Speaker 4: Show today, Ryan, We have bought to get through and

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Speaker 4: multiple guests. I'm really interesting stuff, so looking forward to that.

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Speaker 4: We have obviously more updates on signal Gate, one of

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Speaker 4: the better gates, I'll say, Ryan, some of these updates,

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Speaker 4: some of these video clips. Donald Trump waighed in yesterday,

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Speaker 4: Michael Waltz was on Laura Ingram, So we got a

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Speaker 4: lot to talk about.

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Speaker 5: We'll go through all of that.

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Speaker 4: Ryan has a super reporting and drop site on doctor

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Speaker 4: Oz who sailed through his committee confirmation yesterday, will head

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Speaker 4: to a full vote on the Senate floor. What does

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Speaker 4: that mean for Social Security? Or I'm sorry, what does

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Speaker 4: that mean for healthcare? What does that mean for Medicare?

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Speaker 4: What does that mean for anyone who is on those plans?

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Speaker 4: And maybe in the near future we have all kinds

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Speaker 4: of stuff to get to on that. The FBI might

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Speaker 4: not be super happy. This morning, Donald Trump ordered the

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Speaker 4: full declassification of everything related to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

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Speaker 4: You may remember that as the code name for the

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Speaker 4: investigation into whether Donald Trump colluded with Russia back in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Jasmine Crockett had quite a moment yesterday going

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Speaker 4: after Governor Greg Abbott of Texas. So we will bring

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Speaker 4: you that footage and the responses to it. Ryan, We

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Speaker 4: have some guests from the College Democrats here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a huge clash going on in gen Z among.

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Speaker 1: Two different camps of Democrats.

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Speaker 6: There's the kind of cringe, sellout influencer element that seems

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Speaker 6: to always get elevated by the media as representative of

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Speaker 6: gen Z, and then the actual kind of young people

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Speaker 6: who have very particular opinions about war and the economy

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Speaker 6: and culture and the schools, et cetera. One gets all

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Speaker 6: the attention, the other doesn't. And so we're gonna let

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Speaker 6: these ones dunk on these ones. We're gonna have the

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Speaker 6: president of the College Dems and the VP on to

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Speaker 6: talk about the problem of cringe in their generation, cringe

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Speaker 6: and cashing out, which.

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Speaker 5: By the way, used to be almost solely by the right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right.

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Speaker 6: The idea that you'd have authentic, earnest people in college

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Speaker 6: Democrats who cared about making the world a better place

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Speaker 6: is a foreign concept to me.

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Speaker 1: Those were the Those were the cringe drivers and climbers, yes,

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Speaker 1: back when I was coming up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's to talk about there, and Ryan, we

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Speaker 5: With us as well.

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Speaker 6: Yes, my colleague Shreef have del Cadus, who was Hosam

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Speaker 6: Shabbat's editor over at a drop site he's going to

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Speaker 6: talk about what it was like to work with Hosam,

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Speaker 6: his his life, his death. We'll also talk about some

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Speaker 6: of the marches that were in Gazi yesterday and that

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Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about on a much much

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Speaker 4: lighter note, snow White and why it's bombing or maybe why,

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Speaker 1: I saw it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, your kids saw it? Did they like it?

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Speaker 1: That's fine?

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Speaker 4: There are some of the few people in America who've

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Speaker 1: It was a birthday party organized around it.

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Speaker 4: That one's gonna be for Producer Griffin. Shout out to

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Speaker 4: producer Griffin. So we'll we do have some interesting I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously there's some pretty fascinating dynamics between Rachel Zegler.

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Speaker 4: They're interesting political dynamics between Rachel Zegler and gal Gado,

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Speaker 4: but also just Rachel Zegler's position on Israel Galagado's position

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Speaker 5: Movie and break it all down.

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Speaker 4: So let's start with returning to signal Gate, because there's

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Speaker 4: a lot more to get to. Donald Trump yesterday defended

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Speaker 4: Michael Waltz. I think it's fair to say the wagons

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Speaker 4: are circling around him. The administration has made a conscious

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Speaker 5: So let's listen to Donald Trump yesterday. This is a one.

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Speaker 7: It's a question I've been asked down and I've given

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Speaker 7: him a few answers. They've all been the same. We

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Speaker 7: have an amazing group. Our national security now is stronger

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Speaker 7: than it's ever been. We have had a very, very

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Speaker 7: successful numerous attacks in that area. These are people that

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Speaker 7: shoot down ships. Not only are ships ships all over

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Speaker 7: the world, but shooting down right out of the water exactly,

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Speaker 7: things like that. But I don't think it's something we're

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Speaker 7: looking forward to using again.

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Speaker 8: We may be forced to use it. You may be

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Speaker 8: in a situation.

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Speaker 7: Where you need speed as opposed to gross safety, and

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Speaker 7: you may be forced to use it, But generally speaking,

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Speaker 7: I think we probably won't be using.

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Speaker 8: It very much.

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Speaker 4: Now, let's hear from Michael Waltz himself, who spoke at

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Speaker 4: that meeting, and later on Laura Ingram We're going to

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Speaker 4: start here with a too Waltz from that same meeting.

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Speaker 1: The lessons.

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Speaker 9: There's a lot of journalists in this city who have

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Speaker 9: made big names for themselves making up lies about this president,

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Speaker 9: whether it's the Russia hoax or making up lies about

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Speaker 9: gold Star families.

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Speaker 8: And this one in particular, I've.

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Speaker 9: what the world owes President Trump a favor. Under Biden,

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Speaker 9: global shipping was shut down, pinprick attacks months between them,

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Speaker 9: are destroyers being fired upon dozens of times. President Trump

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Speaker 9: took decisive, active action with his national security team.

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Speaker 4: Really important point to contrast with Walt's story. In Goldberg's story,

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Speaker 4: he says right there he does not know Goldberg. He

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Speaker 4: Goldberg's story he does say that they have communicated.

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Speaker 5: So, Asager points out, someone's someone's lying here, yes, right, yeah,

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Speaker 5: all right.

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Speaker 4: So he was pushed even further last night on Laura

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Speaker 4: this next clip.

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Speaker 10: I built the group to my job is to make

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Speaker 10: sure everything's coordinated.

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Speaker 5: But how did that execute?

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Speaker 11: I mean, I don't mean to be pedantic here, but

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Speaker 10: Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name

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Speaker 10: and then you have a and then you have somebody

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Speaker 10: else number? Right, You've got somebody else's number on someone

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Speaker 3: So of course I.

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Speaker 10: Didn't see this loser in the group. It looked like

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Speaker 10: someone else. Now, whether he did it deliberately or it

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Speaker 11: So your your stafford did not put his contact information,

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Speaker 11: how did it end.

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Speaker 4: Up or so?

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Speaker 10: Well, that's what we're trying to that's what we're trying

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Speaker 11: But that's a pretty big problem.

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Speaker 10: Is you've got the best technical minds, right, That's just

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Speaker 10: that's where I mean, I'm sure everybody out there has

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Speaker 10: had a contact where you it was said one person

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Speaker 11: But you've never talked to him before, So how's the

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Speaker 10: Just cre how's the number on your phone if you

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Speaker 10: have somebody else's contact and then it and then somehow.

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Speaker 6: There he he's presenting the idea that he used to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that got into his phone.

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Speaker 1: In Goldberg then later.

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Speaker 6: Goldberg then later got that number, and then that's how

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Speaker 6: he snuck into the phone. So I have not talked

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Speaker 6: to Jeffrey Goldberg as far as I can remember, since

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Speaker 6: twenty seventeen. Okay, so I just checked signal mm hmm,

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Speaker 6: and his same number came up. Okay, so that's eight

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Speaker 6: years ago. So unless Michael Waltz met and Goldberg threatened

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Speaker 6: to sue us actually at Tough Posts, oh really, yeah,

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Speaker 6: because we were did a story about him being an

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I was just going to ask that's.

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Speaker 1: For the guard and.

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Speaker 6: Beating a prisoner, and his argument was he was there

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Speaker 6: and witnessed the beating, but didn't participate in the beating.

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Speaker 1: I didn't write the stories anyway.

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Speaker 6: So in any event, his number has not changed for

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Speaker 6: eight years at least according to my quick search of

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Speaker 6: uh signal, And he does show up as JG yep,

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Speaker 6: but also Jeffrey Goldberg because he's in my contacts. But

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Speaker 6: if he didn't, he would show up as JG right right.

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Speaker 4: And that's an important thing with Signal is that theoretically

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Speaker 4: there's an argument, And I don't think this makes it

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Speaker 4: necessarily better for Waltz if he's claiming they've never communicated.

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Speaker 4: There are two possibilities here that would have been easy

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Speaker 4: for him to explain away. First of all, maybe he

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Speaker 5: Now if they're doing right. So none of this works

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Speaker 4: It's feeling like joy Read level, as someone said, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, which come on, man, like you fat thumbed it.

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Speaker 6: You typed in JG to get who's the USTR.

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Speaker 6: Would make sense that if you've got the Treasury secretary,

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Speaker 6: And if you're going to have the Treasury secretary, you

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Speaker 4: He is the National Security Advisor, I mean he is.

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Speaker 5: He is in no position to advise anyone on national.

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Speaker 1: So embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: So it's all the Obviously this is not just touching.

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Speaker 4: Michael Waltz, Tulca Gabbard was testifying and John Ratcliff, CIA

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Speaker 4: So let's take a look at both of them fielding

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Speaker 5: Let's start with a four. This is Tulsa Gabbard.

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Speaker 12: Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military

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Speaker 5: There was no classified material that was shared in that.

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Speaker 4: So here's CIA Director John Ratcliffe was also testifying on

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Speaker 13: One final point miscim out of it, Well, are you

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Speaker 1: Is it appropriate?

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Speaker 13: Did you know that the President's Middle East advisor was

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you aware of that today?

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Speaker 14: I'm not aware of that.

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Speaker 13: This swoppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies

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Speaker 1: It's an embarrassment, Senator. You need to do better. You

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Speaker 5: I regret to do this. I regret to inform you

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Speaker 5: we have more. Take a look at ASEX.

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Speaker 14: Your question was, have I participated in any other group

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Speaker 14: chats sharing classify information? To be clear, I haven't participated

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Speaker 1: Okay, Richri Gabbert, Senator, I have the same answer.

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Speaker 10: I have not participated in any signal group chat or

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Speaker 14: I don't know if you use signal messaging app I do.

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Speaker 13: I do not for classified information, not for targeting.

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Speaker 14: Neither do I send it.

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Speaker 13: Well, that's what your testimony is today.

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Speaker 14: It absolutely is not, Senator. Were you listen at the

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Speaker 14: It is permissible.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 4: Because that's obviously the Senate Intel Committee, I think, I

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Speaker 4: But I have say, Ryan, if we're giving out gold medals,

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Speaker 4: I think probably John Ratcliffe gets one for handling it

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Speaker 6: The identity of the CIA agent who was representing Ratcliffe

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Speaker 6: you're this is that's that's utterly insulting. I thought that Bennett,

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Speaker 1: Steve Wikoff was in Moscow.

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Speaker 6: So there are still questions that we don't have the

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Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the ones that sent a

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Speaker 6: He already out of Moscow when he did well, well,

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Speaker 6: encryption doesn't mean anything if they're inside your phone. A

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Speaker 6: By the way, the key thing from an actual substance

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Speaker 1: Yep, probably true.

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Speaker 1: In restarting it.

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Speaker 6: That is our intelligence community now under the Trump administry,

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Speaker 6: that's our intelligence community's assessment of Iran's nuclear ambitions not

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Speaker 1: He said, there is some public pressure on him to

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Speaker 6: Then there's now more talk in Iran because for obvious

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Speaker 6: And everything has to come back to this, like you've

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Speaker 5: But I don't know that they were on this level.

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Speaker 6: On this level, Comy would have charged her.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So Elon Musk also is stated by Mike Waltz, despite

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Speaker 4: So Lindsay Graham posts yesterday, I agree with President Trump

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Speaker 5: But Elon Musk quote tweeted that or quote x that

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Speaker 4: Ryan is Trump, Musk, Lindsey Graham, everybody standing behind Mike Waltz.

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Speaker 4: Saying, ah like space aliens basically joy read level. Sorry

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Speaker 4: So I think Ryan, what's probably going to happen is

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Speaker 5: This has been used, and I know you guys have

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Speaker 5: talked about this.

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Speaker 4: It's obviously been used by the people who already did

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Speaker 4: not trust Mike Waltz, who are already unhappy with Mike

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Speaker 4: Waltz because they see him as a holdover, sort of

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Speaker 4: like a Pompeo type figure, and Pompeo is extremely controversial

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Speaker 4: in the sort of hardcore magas circles, controversial with people

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Speaker 4: like Don Junior and Tucker Carlson, who will also look

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Speaker 4: at someone like Michael Waltz, even if they don't say

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Speaker 4: it publicly, privately, with skepticism and not complete in total trust.

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Speaker 6: Like Waltz was signaling to the Ukrainians that he was gonna,

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Speaker 6: you know, push for more war support, you know, ahead

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Speaker 6: of Besent and fans and other people's trips to the

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Speaker 6: region where they were pursuing Trump's policy.

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Speaker 1: No, We're going to end this war.

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Speaker 6: So like every everywhere around the world where if there's

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Speaker 6: if there's a war on the table, Waltz is for it,

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Speaker 6: whereas the others are kind of pushing back against it.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, that it's it's feeding into that internal internal fight,

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Speaker 6: right and.

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Speaker 4: Even for the people who agree with him ideologically, I

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Speaker 4: think he's going to find out that it's it's very

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Speaker 4: very hard to take your boss seriously or your peer

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Speaker 4: seriously at the you know, cabinet level when that's what's happening.

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Speaker 6: Especially when he's doing interviews like that. He elsewhere he said, like,

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Speaker 6: you know, isn't it interesting that this you know, terrible, horrible,

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Speaker 6: devious reporter information was he was the one that happened

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Speaker 6: to be sucked in to this this loser, this loser,

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Speaker 6: like as if that there was some deep state conspiracy

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Speaker 6: to like foist Jeffrey Goldberg onto this group chat, that

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Speaker 6: it wasn't just Waltz who fat thumbed him in there

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Speaker 6: recklessly right well, and and then added Witcough for no reason,

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Speaker 6: like I look like wit Coough, like he's there's no

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Speaker 6: insult to him.

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Speaker 1: He's not on a need to know basis about the

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Speaker 1: timing of the strikes on Yemen.

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Speaker 5: He's Middle East envoy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he doesn't have any operational control over like

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Speaker 6: what you're going to bomb in Yemen.

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Speaker 4: I suppose it's possible that if he's in the middle

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Speaker 4: of seasfire negotiations, they would want to wrap him into

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Speaker 4: that if he's communicating with.

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Speaker 1: Wrap it on this signal chat while he's in Moscow.

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Speaker 5: No signal chat. He seems let alone if he's in Moscow.

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Speaker 6: He seemed to not know that he was in Moscow.

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Speaker 6: He said he didn't know he was in Moscow. It's

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Speaker 6: a noble thing. It's in the news.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's also again the National Security Advisors.

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Speaker 1: He's not reading his briefings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's I mean, it's it's all completely ridiculous,

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Speaker 4: but it's I think also probably going to turn out

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Speaker 4: for Waltz. That my prediction is that he just resigns

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Speaker 4: after a while, But that'll be a significant loss for

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Speaker 4: the Lindsay Grahams of the world, which is probably why

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Speaker 4: they're doubling down, because it's going to be hard to

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Speaker 4: find another person that is sort of has the ideologically

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Speaker 4: Waltz but also the confidence of Trump and Trump world.

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Speaker 4: That's actually why I think.

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Speaker 6: Lindsay there's plenty of people in who have those leanings.

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Speaker 6: Trump doesn't trust a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, even like a Robert O'Brien or a

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Speaker 4: Mike Pompeo. Those people are not, you know, totally trusted

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Speaker 4: by the Don Juniors, the Tucker Carlson's.

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Speaker 5: So it's hard to find somebody.

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Speaker 4: Who just gets is even able to get along with

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Speaker 4: that Wing gets along with Pete Hegseth as we saw

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Speaker 4: in the signal chat.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean this story is wild.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I guess two last points on

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Speaker 1: our buddies. Heg Seth and Vance.

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Speaker 6: Here heg Seth, we were told that he had this

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Speaker 6: come to Jesus moment around america First policy, that he

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Speaker 6: was no longer this strident war supporter. Around twenty sixteen seventeen,

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Speaker 6: he starts to come out and say it was wrong

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Speaker 6: about the Iraq war, and he's wrong about America's kind

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Speaker 6: of muscular.

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Speaker 1: Policeman role in the world. And on this group.

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Speaker 6: Chat he's a he is he wants the US to

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Speaker 6: be the policeman for the world, but he's just a

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Speaker 6: little bit bitter about it that because he doesn't like Europe,

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Speaker 6: Like that's like, that's pretty weak. And then on Vance

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Speaker 6: like it's it was nice to see him stand up

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Speaker 6: and make an anti war argument. But then immediately he's like, well,

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Speaker 6: never mind, if everybody wants to do it, then go

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Speaker 6: ahead and do it, which is like, well, what's your point, like,

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Speaker 6: what's your role here? Like and if you think that

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Speaker 6: this war is inconsistent with Trump's vision for the world,

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Speaker 6: which he said it was, and that we haven't sold

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Speaker 6: it to the American public, you have Trump's number, call

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Speaker 6: the guy up.

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Speaker 5: He may have I mean, I mean on the thread,

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Speaker 5: he just he muggled Yeah, he bucked.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the times, the time gaps probably the

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Speaker 4: best way to say it. Between It's a little unclear

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Speaker 4: to me because I think at one point there was

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Speaker 4: a full day that went by, right and.

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Speaker 1: Maybe called him that night. I didn't seem like it though.

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Speaker 4: No idea, Yeah, no idea, but such as the life

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Speaker 4: of a vice president. But yeah, Also, he was trying

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Speaker 4: to be persuasive, which is another interesting point of it.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to be persuasive to Hei Seth, trying to

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Speaker 4: be persuasive. So who I mean, it's interesting with Heike

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Speaker 4: Seth how he recommends that the as Walts is asking

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Speaker 4: for points of contact, he recommends Dan Caldwell.

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Speaker 5: It was someone very much from.

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Speaker 4: The like skeptical the world of skeptics of American imperial escapades.

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Speaker 4: So there's they're interesting. They're genuinely interesting tensions in Trump world.

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Speaker 4: And this was some interesting insight before we wrap though, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: any of the conspiracy theories holding water with you, they

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Speaker 4: aren't really with me that this was intentional.

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Speaker 5: This was a planned leak.

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Speaker 1: We saw, It's clear how it happened. He had accidentally

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Speaker 1: to the thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and then yeah, did they have the story ready

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Speaker 6: like four days ago, and hold it so that it

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Speaker 6: would have maximum impact right before these hearings. Sure we

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Speaker 6: have a quick breaking update. We can put this element

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Speaker 6: up on the screen. So the question of what Pete

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Speaker 6: Hegseth was sending has now been answered.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss this more on the program. I'll be on

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Speaker 1: with Sager tomorrow. But here you can look. You can

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Speaker 1: see it here.

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Speaker 6: Pete Hagsath says, team update time now eleven forty four

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Speaker 6: Eastern time, weather is favorable. Okay, that's not classified, just

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Speaker 6: confirmed with Sentcom we were a go for mission launch.

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Speaker 1: That sounds classified.

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Speaker 6: Twelve fifteen et F eighteen's launch first strike package sounds classified.

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Speaker 6: Thirteen forty five trigger based F eighteen first strike windows

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Speaker 6: starts target terrorist is at his known location, so should

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Speaker 6: be on time. Okay, so if Russia sees this, you're

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Speaker 6: now telling them at one forty five Eastern time you're

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Speaker 6: going to target this particular terrorist.

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Speaker 1: Also, and you know, so everybody can just go hide anyway.

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Speaker 6: Fourteen ten more F eighteen's launch second strike package fourteen

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Speaker 6: to fifteen strike drones on target. This is when the

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Speaker 6: first will definitely drop, pending earlier trigger based targets fifteen

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Speaker 6: thirty six F eighteen second Strike starts. Also first sea

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Speaker 6: based Tomahawks launched. More to follow uper timeline. We are

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Speaker 6: currently clean on OPSEC, which, of course you have to

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Speaker 6: end AD anytime.

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Speaker 1: Your opsec is utterly filthy and lazy. Godspeed to our warriors,

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Speaker 1: all right, So we'll have more on this unfolding idiot

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Speaker 1: gait tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Ryan some really interesting and timely new reporting and drop

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Speaker 4: site on doctor Oz's plans for Medicare.

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Speaker 6: Yes, doctor Oz wants to privatize medicare. Let's put up

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Speaker 6: this this tear sheet from Alexander's Achik investigation that we

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Speaker 6: published over at drop site, and we can we'll come

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Speaker 6: back to this in a moment to explain the details

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Speaker 6: of this privatization plan, which is not a hair brained

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Speaker 6: scheme that has little chance of success. Our assessment is

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Speaker 6: that it is very he is quite likely to be

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Speaker 6: able to actually pull this off if there's no if

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Speaker 6: there's no resistance to it. But so put a B

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Speaker 6: two his He cruised through his Senate confirmation hearing yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It was this one of these interesting situations.

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Speaker 6: Where the hearing needed hearing room was busy doing some

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Speaker 6: soial security stuff and it couldn't ethis.

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Speaker 1: They met on the Senate floor.

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Speaker 6: They kind of go off to the side of the

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Speaker 6: Senate floor and they just kind of like hold a vote, and.

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Speaker 1: So he's so he moved. He moves forward.

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Speaker 6: And here is a bit from previously when they did

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Speaker 6: have the hearing rooms.

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Speaker 1: Can will be three here.

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Speaker 15: Doctor Oz has years of experience as an acclaimed physician

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Speaker 15: and public health advocate. His background makes him uniquely qualified

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Speaker 15: to manage the intricacies of CMS. At his hearing, doctor

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Speaker 15: Oz discussed his vision to ensure CMS provides Americans with

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Speaker 15: access to superb care, especially our most vulnerable patients. I

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Speaker 15: look forward to working with him, if confirmed, to accomplish

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Speaker 15: this goal. I was also encouraged to hear that he

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Speaker 15: will focus on modernizing federal healthcare programs, work to fix

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Speaker 15: our broken clinician payment system, and will partner with Congress

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Speaker 15: to achieve pharmaceutical Benefit Manager reform. There is no doubt

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Speaker 15: that doctor Oz will work tirelessly to deliver much needed

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Speaker 15: change at CMS. I will be voting in favor of

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Speaker 15: his nomination, and I encourage my colleagues on both sides

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Speaker 15: of the aisle to do the same.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So on the Medicare privatization scheme that doctor Oz

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Speaker 6: is pushing and we can we can put up B

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Speaker 6: one again just for a few seconds so people can

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Speaker 6: see this again.

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Speaker 1: You can go read the full story to get all

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Speaker 1: all the details of it.

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Speaker 5: And can I ask you you just said is pushing.

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Speaker 4: Like currently this is something that he right now believes

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Speaker 4: in his capacity of this job.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he can push, yes, and he does not need

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Speaker 1: legislation to do it.

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Speaker 6: And so here's how so if you're if you're older,

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Speaker 6: you know somebody old, you probably I've heard of Medicare

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Speaker 6: advantage which now roughly half of seniors on Medicare have

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Speaker 6: what are called Medicare advantage plans. So these are administered

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Speaker 6: by private companies which are given a set amount of

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Speaker 6: money by the government and then if they can deliver

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Speaker 6: care for the way they profit is by delivering care

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Speaker 6: that costs less than that. The way they sell it

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Speaker 6: to you is they say, we're going to do preventive stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're going to make sure that you get

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Speaker 1: your checkups.

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Speaker 6: We're going to keep you healthy because to us, we

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Speaker 6: profit if you don't use health care services. And in

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Speaker 6: order to not use health care services that means you're healthy.

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Speaker 6: That's great, Like if that is, if that is how

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Speaker 6: you keep health care costs down, that's what everybody wants.

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Speaker 6: People don't want necessarily cheap or affordable healthcare services. What

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Speaker 6: they would like is no healthcare services. You don't want

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Speaker 6: to be in the doctor's office or the hospital. What

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Speaker 6: happens in practice, though, is that it's much easier to

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Speaker 6: just deny people care. That it's because it's much harder

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Speaker 6: to upfront make sure that people are staying healthier. Now, Medicare,

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Speaker 6: actual regular Medicare is not allowed to advertise, it's not allowed.

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Speaker 1: To go out and recruit people to its program.

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Speaker 6: Medicare Advantage spends a lot of its money advertising its

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Speaker 6: Medicare Advantage plans, and they say, join us because you're

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Speaker 6: going to we'll give you dental envision and we'll deliver

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Speaker 6: groceries to you. Like they have these all these other

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Speaker 6: little pluses that when you're healthy, you're like, oh, that

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Speaker 6: sounds great, and so they sign up for these privatized

667
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Speaker 6: plans and then they love it until they come to

668
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Speaker 6: actually use the plan, you're like, oh, that's not a network.

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Speaker 6: The only in network person is like one hundred and

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Speaker 6: twenty miles from here, that's not coverable, and so you

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Speaker 6: get the typical private insurance nightmares. But even in your

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Speaker 6: even in your public health care plan, and now you're

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Speaker 6: stuck in this.

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Speaker 1: Now you're stuck in the situation.

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Speaker 6: Doctor Oz has been a pitchman for Medicare advantage for many,

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Speaker 6: many years, like on his programs, And because Medicare advantage

677
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Speaker 6: there is so much profit in signing these old folks

678
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Speaker 6: up to it. They would go out and they would

679
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Speaker 6: hire these pitchmen all over the country say, look, you

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Speaker 6: bring us somebody. We'll pay you, like you get a

681
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Speaker 6: finder's fee, like the same way if you, you know,

682
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Speaker 6: sign somebody up for squarespace or whatever on your podcast

683
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Speaker 6: and you get ten bucks. Like sign sign somebody up

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Speaker 6: for Medicare advantage. Who watched doctor oz show, We'll give

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Speaker 6: you two thousand dollars or whatever it is. There's an

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Speaker 6: enormous amount of money in signing somebody up for Medicare advantage.

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Speaker 1: So he's been entangled with this for a very long time.

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Speaker 6: He also, of course owns I think he owns something

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Speaker 6: like six hundred thousand dollars. And you had Hellstock, which

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Speaker 6: he has said he would sell you.

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Speaker 1: They're a significant player in Medicare advantage.

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Speaker 6: Now, the irony is that doctor Oz's ability to privatize

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Speaker 6: Medicare comes from the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare set up

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Speaker 6: these pilot programs that said, because one of the driving

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Speaker 6: impulses of Obamacare was how do we deliver better healthcare

696
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Speaker 6: for less? And so they say, we're going to set

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Speaker 6: up a pilot program, and if this private company or

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Speaker 6: this nonprofit can show that it actually is making people healthier,

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Speaker 6: then we will expand.

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Speaker 1: Access to that program.

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Speaker 6: And so there are a number of pilot programs that

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Speaker 6: are running through what's called CMMI Medicare and Medicated Innovation

703
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Speaker 6: I think it's called. And what almost all of them

704
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Speaker 6: are finding is that Medicare advantage delivers worse outcomes for

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Speaker 6: more money, yet the private companies make decent, healthy profits

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Speaker 6: off the top of it.

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Speaker 1: That's what the pilot programs are showing.

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Speaker 6: All doctor Oz will have to do is come in

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Speaker 6: with a rubber stamp that says successful and rubber stamp

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Speaker 6: those projects. And it's a subjective decision that will be

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Speaker 6: left to doctor Oz to say, I find these to

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Speaker 6: be successful.

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Speaker 1: And then boom.

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Speaker 6: They are wide open to everyone indic in Medicare advantage,

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Speaker 6: and then the last thing they would have to do

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Speaker 6: is just default every senior into Medicare advantage and make

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Speaker 6: them kind of actively move out of that into regular Medicare.

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Speaker 6: And because Medicare has no capacity to advocate for itself,

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Speaker 6: within a couple of years, you would go from fifty

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Speaker 6: percent of people on Medicare advantage to almost everybody on

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Speaker 6: Medicare advantage. And by then, once you're down to ten

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Speaker 6: twenty percent of people on Medicare proper, it no longer

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Speaker 6: is able, doesn't have the economies of scale anymore, and

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Speaker 6: it just completely collapses and we're left with privatized Medicare.

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Speaker 4: And so my personal perspective on is why our healthcare

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Speaker 4: system is the worst of both worlds. You end up

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Speaker 4: with the worst of a market system or for quote

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Speaker 4: unquote free market system and the worst of a bureaucratic.

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Speaker 5: System, and you have these like halfway measures.

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Speaker 4: It's such a disaster, such a good example of why

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Speaker 4: it's a disaster. But also Ryan, you mentioned it doesn't

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Speaker 4: this doesn't have to go through Congress.

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Speaker 6: Right because the authority for it is vested in the

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Speaker 6: Affordable Care Act, which already went through Congress.

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Speaker 5: That's interesting.

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Speaker 6: So the ACA says, if these pilot programs are successful,

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Speaker 6: they can be then expanded by the head of CMS,

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Speaker 6: And the head of CMS runs CMMI, which runs these

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Speaker 6: pilot programs. And so Obama gave doctor Oz the power

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Speaker 6: to privatize Medicare.

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Speaker 5: Why isn't why isn't Doge taking it away?

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Speaker 6: That's actually a very good point. The Department of Justice

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Speaker 6: is currently suing a bunch of Medicare advantage scammers to

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Speaker 6: the tune of tens and hundreds of billions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Like it.

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Speaker 6: If Elon Musk and Doge or whoever is running Doge

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Speaker 6: Doja wanted Doggy wanted to Doggy wanted to actually sniff out

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Speaker 6: some real savings and some real waste fraud and abuse. Uh,

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Speaker 6: Medicare advantage is one of the first places anybody serious

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Speaker 6: about going after fraud would go. Instead, we're going to

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Speaker 6: just expand it to what doctor Oz calls Medicare advantage

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Speaker 6: for all. So yes, if you're serious about waste for

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Speaker 6: an abuse, this is the place to go.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, yet they're not, so draw your own conclusions.

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Speaker 4: Trump's that the guy Trump picked to head up Social Security.

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Speaker 4: His name is Franks. No, no, he's CEO of five

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Speaker 4: Serve actually, which is an interesting personal plot from But anyway, meanwhile,

758
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Speaker 4: this is just yesterday. He is saying that they will

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Speaker 4: you restore any customer service glitches, but they're not going

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Speaker 4: to cut Social Security. Donald Trump has said obviously that's

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Speaker 4: his red line. But you can see how the plan

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Speaker 4: is pitched to something a little bit different, right that

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump might not look at that and say, okay,

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Speaker 4: this is cutting right, like it's it's actually something that

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Speaker 4: you could see being pitched to him and him going

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Speaker 4: along with yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Trump is a pitch man, like it's like doctor Oz. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The only reason.

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Speaker 6: That Trump hasn't sold medicare advantage plans and nobody got

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Speaker 6: in front of them with the idea, and maybe they did,

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Speaker 6: we just don't know about it. But yeah, Trump would

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Speaker 6: understand this. Oh, so we're going to offer them some

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Speaker 6: surface level benefits. You know, we'll mail you a toothbrush

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Speaker 6: and you can get groceries delivered, and you get you

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Speaker 6: get dental coverage. Good luck trying to use that dental coverage,

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Speaker 6: by the way, but it looks good. It sounds good,

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Speaker 6: and then we get to keep all the money by

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Speaker 6: denying them care.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Like it's it's like a classic scheme that a private

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Speaker 6: equity company can use because of this massive asymmetric warfare.

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Speaker 6: On the one hand, you've got a private equity company

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Speaker 6: with a bunch of mckensey level quant geeks who have

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Speaker 6: these spreadsheets in front of them and figuring out how

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Speaker 6: best to maximize their profits. And on the other hand

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Speaker 6: you have on the other side of Ledger, you have

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Speaker 6: grandma and grandpa who are just going to get just

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Speaker 6: annihilated in that competition like that, that's not a market

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Speaker 6: place that's going to be fair.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, that's one to watch because he's headed

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Speaker 4: to the full full floor and it's likely to pass.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to the FBI, which is not too

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Speaker 4: far from where we're filming this, and I'm sure it's

795
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Speaker 4: not pleased with the news. Though it was certainly expected

796
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Speaker 4: that everything related to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, that was

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Speaker 4: the FBI's investigation into whether or not Russia interfered with

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Speaker 4: the twenty sixteen election. Very specifically, they would say it

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Speaker 4: was broad but and you know, Russia did interfere with

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Speaker 4: the twenty sixteen election, just not on the magnitude that

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Speaker 4: they pitched to the press and into the public over

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Speaker 4: the course of years, but more specifically into whether Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump colluded with the Kremlin in order to win the

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen election. We can go ahead and roll this

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Speaker 4: clip of Donald Trump officially ordering the declassification of everything

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Speaker 4: related to Crossfire Hurricane yesterday.

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Speaker 16: Next, here we have a presidential memorandum for your attention.

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Speaker 16: This memorandum requires the immediate declassification of all FBI files

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Speaker 16: relating to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. This was obviously one

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Speaker 16: of the instances of the weaponization of law enforcement powers

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Speaker 16: of prosecution against you and others. We believe that it's

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Speaker 16: long pastime for the American people to have a full

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Speaker 16: and complete understanding of what exactly is in those files, which.

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Speaker 7: Gives the media the right to go in and go

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Speaker 7: and check it. You probably won't bother because you're not

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Speaker 7: going to like what you say. But this was total weaponization.

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Speaker 7: It's a disgrace. It never happened in this country. But

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Speaker 7: now you'll be able to see for yourselves. I'll declassify.

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Speaker 7: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: You said?

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Speaker 7: All the Plassy everything.

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Speaker 16: The FBI file with a there's a classified annext. But

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Speaker 16: other than that, this will put everything in the public eye.

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Speaker 4: So ran I think Russia Gate is sort of like

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Speaker 4: COVID at this point. There are people who are still

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Speaker 4: like myself, extremely interested in knowing what happened, but the

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Speaker 4: general public is kind of tuned out of it. So

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that this is some sort of grave

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Speaker 4: threat to the FBI, because I don't know that it's

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Speaker 4: going to generate major embarrassing news cycles. But surely it

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Speaker 4: will generate some embarrassing embarrassing information.

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Speaker 5: This is from CNN.

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Speaker 4: They write this led to a behind the scenes scramble

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Speaker 4: as Republican aids and Trump officials work to collect and

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Speaker 4: redact a binder filled with highly classified material. Trump officially

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Speaker 4: declassified that material in January nineteenth, twenty twenty one, during

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Speaker 4: his last full day in office, but the documents were

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Speaker 4: never made public. An unredacted copy of the binder ended

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Speaker 4: up mysteriously peering, as CNN first reported in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Among the binder's contents were reams of information about the

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Speaker 4: Russian investigation, including highly sensitive raw intelligence the US and

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Speaker 4: its NATO allies collected on Russians and Russian agents that

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Speaker 4: informed the US government's assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 4: sought to help Trump win the twenty sixteen election. That

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Speaker 4: material is likely to be redacted in the documents that

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Speaker 4: are being released publicly. Interestingly enough, Trump says keep those reactions.

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Speaker 4: But CNN goes on to say the binder also included

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Speaker 4: classified information about the FBI's problematic foreign intelligence surveillance warrants

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Speaker 4: on Trump campaign advisor from twenty seventeen, interview notes with

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Speaker 4: Christopher Steele, and internal FBI and DOJ text messages and emails.

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Speaker 4: And that's important because some of the most damning information

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Speaker 4: to come out of any investigation into Crossfire Hurricane has

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Speaker 4: been from the Peter Struck Lisa Page text messages were

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Speaker 4: Struck talked about the FBI having an insurance policy against

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump winning the election, and the other thing. Let's

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Speaker 4: put this next element up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 4: a tweet from Mike Davis, who if you watch Bannon

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Speaker 4: and war Room, you've seen many times he pointed out,

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Speaker 4: and I didn't know this. I checked it afterwards. He

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Speaker 4: pointed out that Judge Bosburg, who is now at the

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Speaker 4: center of the entire fight over the deportation flights that he.

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Speaker 5: Ordered turned around.

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Speaker 4: He was on the FISA court and ignored the sentencing

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Speaker 4: recommendation for imprisonment and actually gave an FBI attorney named

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Speaker 4: Kevin Klin Smith, who again people who are very deep

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Speaker 4: in the Russia gatehoaks remember his name very much. They

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Speaker 4: gave him probation instead of imprisonment. He forged an email

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Speaker 4: to use as evidence to surveil Carter Page, an American citizen,

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Speaker 4: and this judge is the one who went with probation

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Speaker 4: over imprisonment on it. So such a crazy not of

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Speaker 4: different things going on here that that thread I would

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Speaker 4: not familiar with at all.

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Speaker 5: I did not realize Bosberg had any part in that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that prosecutorial misconduct of that level needs some level

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Speaker 6: of serious punishment.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 6: And that's like the left left have been screaming about

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Speaker 6: prosecutoral overreach, you know, four I mean hundreds of years.

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Speaker 6: It's partly how you get the radical Bill of Rights

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Speaker 6: in there. But yeah, so to like completely let him

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Speaker 6: off the hook with just probation is prettyres So on

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Speaker 6: the other guy's life was destroyed, I guess but you

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Speaker 6: can't do that. You cannot you can't frame people up

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Speaker 6: in this in these secret courts to get the government

885
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Speaker 6: spying on a campaign outrageous.

886
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, I don't.

887
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Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but I just like, I

888
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: think it's great do classify it. It's kind of interesting

889
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: that Trump wants to keep some of the redactions that

890
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: may be embarrassing, that may look like, you know, Putin

891
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: was saying nice things about him or something like that.

892
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 4: So that's interesting. But also I just don't. I don't

893
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: know that this have a massive political impact. Maybe it

894
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: will because the binder did mysteriously go missing, and the

895
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 4: documents were never made public during the course of the

896
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Speaker 4: Biden administration, So.

897
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Speaker 5: Maybe there's something.

898
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 4: Maybe they're blockbusters in here, but I don't, and I

899
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 4: suspect there's like genuinely very important information. I just don't

900
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Speaker 4: think it the public reacts to it in the same

901
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Speaker 4: way that people like me.

902
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm looking forward to anytime there's the classification.

903
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Speaker 4: I'm good with it, and then we can see what

904
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Speaker 4: Cash Fattel does with it.

905
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: There you go.

906
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Speaker 5: Well.

907
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: Representative Jasmine Crockett is apologizing for making this remark about

908
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Speaker 4: Texas Governor Greg Abbott. Obviously he's a Republican. Take a listen,

909
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: and then we'll show you the apology.

910
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 17: We in these hot ass Texas streets. Honey, y'all know

911
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 17: we got Governor hot Wheels down there.

912
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: Come on now, and the.

913
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 17: Only thing hot about him is that he is a

914
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Speaker 17: hot ass mess, honey. So so yes, yes, yes.

915
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Speaker 5: Governor hot Wheels is kind of funny. I'm it's kind

916
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 5: of funny. I think Greg Abbott should own it. He

917
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 5: should roll with it. I did not mean to say that.

918
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 5: I genuinely did not mean to say that.

919
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Speaker 4: But he actually he should put like he's just her

920
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: fundraising off of it right like there, he probably already is.

921
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Speaker 5: It's funny, It's fine.

922
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: Jess mccrockett then apologized, we can put this up on

923
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Speaker 4: the screen. She was speaking there in a human rights

924
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Speaker 4: campaign event, and this is what she posted yesterday. I

925
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 4: wasn't thinking about the governor's condition. I was thinking about

926
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Speaker 4: the planes, trains and automobiles.

927
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Speaker 5: This is such bullshit.

928
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 4: He used to transfer migrants into communities by black mayors,

929
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Speaker 4: deliberately staking tension and fear among the bulls most vulnerable. Literally,

930
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Speaker 4: the next line, I said, was that he was a

931
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Speaker 4: hot ass mess, referencing his terrible policies. At no point

932
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Speaker 4: did I mention or allude to his conditions, So I

933
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: mean more appalled that the very people unequivocally support Trump,

934
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Speaker 4: a man known for racially insensitive nicknames and talking those

935
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Speaker 4: with disabilities, are now outraged. So Jasmine Crockett, who apologizes

936
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Speaker 4: kind of not really.

937
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Speaker 5: I don't know if we can call that an apology.

938
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Speaker 4: Actually, now that I'm reading it, it was sort of

939
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Speaker 4: taken as an apology by people because it's her, But

940
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Speaker 4: what it actually is is her denying that she said

941
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Speaker 4: anything about it. And now she's saying she's offended by

942
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Speaker 4: people who are pretending to be offended.

943
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Speaker 5: So I guess if she's if she's.

944
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Speaker 4: Not retracting the statement, then good for Jasmine Crockett, because

945
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Speaker 4: that was funny.

946
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Speaker 6: At the end, she's saying that, why are you all

947
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 6: offended when you say similar things about, you know, all

948
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Speaker 6: kinds of marginalized people.

949
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Speaker 1: Yet I wasn't saying that, which is it's amazing funny contradiction.

950
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Speaker 4: It's a it's a total Yeah, that's quite a contradiction.

951
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Speaker 6: I think she should have just leaned all the way

952
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Speaker 6: into the last part of that, it's like, who do

953
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Speaker 6: you think you are to try to complain about me? Like,

954
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Speaker 6: the number one thing you're excited about from Trump winning

955
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 6: is that you're now allowed to say retard. So that's

956
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Speaker 6: the kind of middle school level like cruelty that you're

957
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Speaker 6: engaging in, and you're upset that I said hot wheels.

958
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Speaker 4: El Musk has been tweeting that word like constantly, which

959
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: again like it's a she's her point about people who

960
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Speaker 4: are now pretending to be offended is entirely valid. I mean,

961
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Speaker 4: I personally can't stand in dravestmic Crocket, but that's a

962
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: perfectly legitimate point that she can make from a political perspective, like, go.

963
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Speaker 1: For it now.

964
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Speaker 6: I was offended as a consumer of comedy because I

965
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Speaker 6: hate when people their punchline is based on something that

966
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Speaker 6: they manufactured one second earlier. Her punchline, he's a hot

967
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 6: mess is based on hot ass, brand new monicer, hot

968
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 6: ass mess, her brand new moniker of him as governor

969
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 6: hot wheels. So you just made the governor hot wheels moniker,

970
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Speaker 6: and then you're joking about it two seconds later. Your

971
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 6: jokes are supposed to be about things other people say,

972
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Speaker 6: So that's why I'm offended as a consumer media because

973
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Speaker 6: I think it's it's you're manufacturing the like ability to

974
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Speaker 6: make that punchline, and I think I actually apologize.

975
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Speaker 5: She shed apologize for that, but she.

976
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: As always she delivers it in an entertaining way. Yeah,

977
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: so and the audience.

978
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 6: And on the other hand, comedy is as it's received

979
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 6: by the audience. The audience was laughing, therefore it's funny.

980
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 5: I mean, she never apologize for whatever.

981
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 4: I mean, her being sort of punted into the stratosphere

982
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 4: was after the blonde, butch built body whatever the hell

983
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 4: that was, which was also hilarious by the way, and

984
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: it's her of tragic comic way, But she didn't apologize

985
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: for that. So I get why people interpreted this as

986
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: an apology because she said, I wasn't thinking about the

987
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Speaker 4: governor's condition. I was thinking about the planes, trains and

988
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: automobiles I used to transform. Like, I get why people

989
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 4: interpret it that way because she was very obviously talking

990
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: about his conditions, so she's she's clearly walking it back.

991
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: But man, she should have definitely just owned this and

992
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: said like, hey, it was a joke.

993
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, why are you so offended?

994
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: Snowflakes, right, And there's nothing wrong with being a wheelchair,

995
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: it's just.

996
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 4: He should he should one hundred percent be fundraising off

997
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 4: of it. This is her brand. But if you're gonna,

998
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: if you're gonna be like brash, and you should tell

999
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 4: people if they're if they can't dish it out, then

1000
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 4: they if they can't take it, then they should stop.

1001
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 5: Dishing it out.

1002
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Speaker 1: And I also think.

1003
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Speaker 6: Seriously that Crockett needs more, She needs to break out

1004
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: of that she's she's too wrapped up in pure culture. Yeah,

1005
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 6: and she's going to miss the moment she's going to

1006
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 6: be able to like have be a niche figure who's

1007
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 6: like very popular on MSNBC. But if she's constantly retreating

1008
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 6: to like, for instance, like did she have to like

1009
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 6: where did this shoehorning in of the thing where there

1010
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 6: are black mayors? Yeah, Like they're sending migrants to places

1011
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 6: with black mayors. I just they also send him to

1012
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 6: like what Cape cod or something.

1013
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a white mayor.

1014
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess, like I haven't looked that up, but

1015
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 4: Martha's vineyard man, Martha's vineyard mayor.

1016
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. We could be wrong, absolutely could be wrong.

1017
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: There was that, there was that stretch where you had,

1018
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, upstate New York represented by three black members

1019
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: of Congress.

1020
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 6: So it's possible. But the point is, what is Crockett like,

1021
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 6: why does she have to do that?

1022
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Like, how does that?

1023
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 6: How does that help her if and I think it's

1024
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 6: going to put a ceiling on her ability to kind

1025
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 6: of reach a broader audience.

1026
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 5: Yep, it's hard to disagree with that.

1027
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, she's obviously charismatic, but her she's too

1028
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 4: often distracts from her own substance. I think that's a

1029
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: good like in the way that you're saying, like there's

1030
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 4: actually you don't have to shoehorn identity politics into absolutely.

1031
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 5: Everything fits go for it.

1032
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 4: But well, in fact, that's what I think Bernie Sanders

1033
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: and alexandri Ocasio Cortez are currently testing out or showing

1034
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: the example of, is that you can make these arguments

1035
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: without shoehorning these other arguments in to show some type

1036
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 4: of fealty or to be signaling constantly like hey.

1037
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 5: I'm on your team. On your team, you just make

1038
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 5: the argument.

1039
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Talk to if it was a white mayor, you'd be

1040
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: fine with it. Yeah, Like, what don't you just just

1041
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: ends up being confusing anyway.

1042
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right, well, Ryan, let's move on to

1043
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: our interview with the College Democrats.

1044
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 6: One thing that all Democrats seem to agree on is

1045
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 6: that they have a huge problem with young people nowadays.

1046
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 6: From my present, one of the problems they have is

1047
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 6: the kind of young people that they have representing them publicly.

1048
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 6: But who better to kind of try to walk us

1049
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 6: through the problem that they're having than the president and

1050
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 6: the vice president of the College Democrats, who got President

1051
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 6: soun Jay Mori La Tharn and so how and vice

1052
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 6: and so Hollyvadula. Thank you both for joining us and

1053
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 6: maybe we'll maybe we'll figure this problem out.

1054
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: What do you guys think?

1055
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 8: That was great to me. Thank you so much for

1056
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 8: having us.

1057
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 6: All Right, So, there's a special election down in Texas

1058
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 6: that that we want to get into to replace Shila

1059
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 6: Jackson Lee and I guess that's the Houston area. But

1060
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 6: and and we'll talk about that because there there is

1061
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 6: a particularly cringe duo or trio running running in that

1062
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 6: race that is going to be fun to go through.

1063
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 6: But but first, the Harry Sisson is kind of blowing

1064
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 6: up through some utterly bizarre scandal. Uh, we can put

1065
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 6: this first New York Post element up on the screen.

1066
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 6: D n c's favorite TikToker, Harry sistmcuse of lying to

1067
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 6: women to get them to send nudes. Another problem seems

1068
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: to be the existence of a Harry Sism for Democrats. Like, so,

1069
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 6: let's talk about this even before the scandal, before the scandal,

1070
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 6: Let's talk about the problem of cringe and corruption among

1071
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 6: kind of the young influencer dem class soon, Jay, Like,

1072
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 6: why don't you start, like, how do we wind up

1073
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 6: in a place that the types of cringe folks that

1074
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 6: we see representing gen Z have become kind of the

1075
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 6: face of the party in a way that I would

1076
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 6: suspect is probably a turn off to.

1077
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 5: Most young people and young men in particular.

1078
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.

1079
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 18: Think I don't want to briefly just set the scene,

1080
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 18: you know, So, Holly and I we overseee the close

1081
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 18: Democrats of America just effectively the largest Democratic leaning youth

1082
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 18: organization in the country, or the members are kind of

1083
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 18: like the grassroots foot soldiers of the party who're knocking

1084
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 18: on doors, you know, sending out texts, kind of doing

1085
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 18: the work that no one else likes to do.

1086
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 8: Commonly for free, and I think that.

1087
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Speaker 18: Since we're doing all this hard work, it's imperative that

1088
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 18: we get proper representation and kind of, as you mentioned,

1089
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 18: that simply is not the case. And I think the

1090
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 18: best way to go touch is that there's two major

1091
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 18: dominant camps within the influencer like the youth influencer space.

1092
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 18: I would say one which are the people who are

1093
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 18: the problem. They're simply power, tis right. The reason why

1094
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 18: these people are propped up is because they say not

1095
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 18: what young people believe, but what people in power want

1096
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 18: young people to believe. Right, They'll follow whatever's politically expedient.

1097
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 18: They'll pretend to be Chuck Schumer or Joe Biden. If

1098
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 18: it being's that, you know, they'll be able to improve

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Speaker 18: their careers. And I'm thinking of people like you know,

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Speaker 18: Harry Systems. You mentioned Olivia Juliana and Isaiah Martin, which

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Speaker 18: we'll get into later. Then the latter camp is kind

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Speaker 18: of the camp that I'm more favorable to, who are

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Speaker 18: individuals who represent the interests of gen Z even when

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Speaker 18: they're not politically expedient. I'm thinking of, you know, my

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Speaker 18: good friend DNC vice chair David Hogg, Jack co Chiarella

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Speaker 18: a San Piker are kind of the names that stick out.

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Speaker 18: And what's really interesting is the latter three that I

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Speaker 18: mentioned are actually more successful. You know, David hoggs DNC

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Speaker 18: vice chair at twenty four, and that's because he actually

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Speaker 18: was willing to be unapologetic sometimes. You know, he might

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Speaker 18: make mistakes here and there, but he actually cares about

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Speaker 18: you know, the cause.

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Speaker 8: It's true.

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Speaker 18: Same with jack O Charla and Hassan Piker, who are

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Speaker 18: both larger influencers who are growing, unlike the likes of

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Speaker 18: Harry Sislm and the Olivia Juliana who are both presently

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Speaker 18: losing steam.

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Speaker 6: And so, Holly, what does this propping up look like

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00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 6: in practice? Like have and have have you seen it?

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Speaker 19: Like?

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Speaker 6: Have you like let's say you wanted to be come like.

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Speaker 4: Well there was that whole influencer like room at the

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Speaker 4: see remember they had an influencer lounge.

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Speaker 6: We weren't allowed annoying it, right, But let's say you

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Speaker 6: wanted to be comma stooge for like the d n C.

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Speaker 1: Like how available is that to young people like yourself?

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Speaker 1: And like what are they? What do they ask you

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Speaker 1: to say? And then we're going to get into Olivia

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Speaker 1: Juliana and Isaiah, because I think it ends up becoming

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Speaker 1: kind of.

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Speaker 20: Clear popping up looks very similar to kind of how

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Speaker 20: like the establishment is like given talking points and like

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Speaker 20: lines to parrot.

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Speaker 5: It's very similar to that.

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Speaker 20: Olivia Juliana, like she went viral, she had a lot

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Speaker 20: of followers, and the party decided to capitalize on that,

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Speaker 20: and since then she's not only been paid by the DNC,

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Speaker 20: like according to FEC records, she's also been paid by

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Speaker 20: the Alrid campaign in Texas to be like a youth

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Speaker 20: outreach spokesperson. And so I think people are just trying

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Speaker 20: to capitalize on the following that they have. Harry System

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00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 20: was making tiktoks long before the DANC hired him, and

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Speaker 20: they just wanted to capitalize on the momentum. But the

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Speaker 20: problem is not just them propping these people up, because

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Speaker 20: obviously they should hire people with big followings, right, But

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Speaker 20: the issue is that once they do so, these influencers

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Speaker 20: are going to be monetized and so their opinions are

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Speaker 20: like pretty much bought and paid for from that point forward,

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Speaker 20: and so we don't really know what these people are

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Speaker 20: truly like trying to say or what they truly believe

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Speaker 20: because they're just not authentic anymore.

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Speaker 5: And you can see that.

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Speaker 20: So clearly because four years ago I was one of

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Speaker 20: Olivia Giuliana's biggest fans because she was very progressive and

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Speaker 20: she was unapologetically like outspoken about the things that she

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Speaker 20: cared about. And you know, lo and behold fast forward

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Speaker 20: a few years, like now I don't really like her anymore,

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00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 20: you know, because she does not stand for the same

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Speaker 20: things that she did four years ago. Into back in

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Speaker 20: twenty twenty, she propped up Joe Biden when literally ever

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Speaker 20: one and their mom was calling on him to step down.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty clear.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so let's let's let's roll So Olivi Juliana is

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Speaker 6: now a campaign manager whatever she is, for this this

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Speaker 6: other gen z uh whatever you call him, uh candidate

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Speaker 6: in this Texas race.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's roll this.

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Speaker 6: This Instagram clip that they posted to, you know, sort

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Speaker 6: of get their campaign off the ground.

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Speaker 19: Guys, I'm here with my best friend Isaiah Martin, who's

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Speaker 19: running for Congress, and ask someone who is on the

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Speaker 19: campaign team, working day in and.

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Speaker 5: Day out to make sure that he wins.

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Speaker 19: I feel fantastic, Josh.

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Speaker 5: How do you feel how do you feeling feeling good?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yep, yep.

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Speaker 5: This is a.

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Speaker 19: People focused, people powered campaign. We want this to be

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Speaker 19: the most accessible congressional race in the country. We're gonna

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Speaker 19: be trying new digital and messaging strategies that no other

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Speaker 19: campaign has done before. Isaiah doesn't feel entitled to your

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Speaker 19: vote just because he's a Democrat, just because he's young.

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Speaker 19: You shouldn't have to support him for those things. We're

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00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 19: gonna be working to convince you and earn your trust

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00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 19: and show you that he's not going to be a

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Speaker 19: spectator in Congress. He's going to be a fighter because

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Speaker 19: we need Democrats.

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Speaker 5: With the what Isaiah, he bucked it out trying it.

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Speaker 5: We need democrats.

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Speaker 4: I just need to say, for the life of me,

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Speaker 4: I do not know how this happened, because this is

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Speaker 4: what Republican millennial influencers were doing when I was in college.

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Speaker 4: It was the exact same level of cringe and Dems

1194
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 4: were laughing their asses off at the Republican influencers. We

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Speaker 4: didn't call them influencers at the time, but I like,

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Speaker 4: it is just unfathomable how quickly this wish.

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Speaker 6: The bottom has just completely fallen out, and if anybody.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't believe it.

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Speaker 6: After that, let's roll this is the campaign, it's a

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Speaker 6: piece of the campaign. Ad that Isaiah Martin launched to

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Speaker 6: get this campaign off the ground is like that, the

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Speaker 6: more formal one.

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Speaker 21: Let's let's roll that Donald Trump's done nothing for you,

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00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 21: not for your family, not for your paychecks, and not

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00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 21: for your future. Once so long ago that he promised

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00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 21: you zero income texts a dollar and something for gas

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01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 21: and two dollars eggs assist he's been in office, You've

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Speaker 21: got none of that. Prices are up and jobs are down.

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01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 21: You're working harder than ever, while Trump and his friends

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Speaker 21: get richer than ever. It's left you asking yourself the

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Speaker 21: question of who's fighting for me? I mean, seriously, who's

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Speaker 21: fighting for you? It's certainly not Donald Trump. It's not

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 21: the Republicans that shake your hand and ask.

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01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 8: For your vote then do nothing for you.

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Speaker 21: You see, they want you distract, they want you angry

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Speaker 21: at your neighbors, so you don't pay attention to what

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Speaker 21: they're really doing.

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Speaker 1: Because if you see.

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Speaker 21: Them for what they are, you know that Trump's America

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Speaker 21: doesn't work for you. Things are bad, writer, you know that,

1221
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 21: and I know that they're throwing everything at you. So

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Speaker 21: now's the time to be bold and fight fire with fire.

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Speaker 21: You see, I believe in a democratic party that has

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Speaker 21: a spine, a party that stands for something, a party

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Speaker 21: that fights back, because, after all, we're the party that

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Speaker 21: won World War two, were the party that gave you

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Speaker 21: social security, the party that's built the strongest economy in

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Speaker 21: the history of mankind.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so he's gonna stand up or he's gonna fight

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Speaker 6: fire with fire, the guy with the spine, So what

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01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 6: is the fire? Can you tell us what his campaign

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01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 6: is articulating it will do in office? What are the

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Speaker 6: policy positions that Isaiah Martin's campaign is running on.

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Speaker 18: So so many You can see them all listed on

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Speaker 18: his website where he has a whopping zero policy mentioned,

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Speaker 18: which sad me, it.

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Speaker 8: Is just crazy.

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Speaker 18: I don't think you can claim that you have a

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01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 18: spine and then run a campaign with no policies. But

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Speaker 18: I think the best way to look at this is

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Speaker 18: to see what information is public about isam or right?

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Speaker 8: And to put it.

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Speaker 18: Simply, you know, there's no policy or priorities on his website,

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01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 18: but when you google his name, you know on FEC

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01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 18: records you can see that in this past congresional campaign

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Speaker 18: for those of you who don't know he's run for the

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Speaker 18: seat before, and it shows that he spent a whopping

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Speaker 18: twelve thousand dollars on United Airlines fly tickets. Now, I

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01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 18: don't know, I've never run for Congress before, but I

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01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 18: don't think you need to fly from one end of

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Speaker 18: your district to the other hand, like and spend thousands

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Speaker 18: upon thousands.

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Speaker 8: Upon thousands of dollars for it.

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Speaker 18: So, to me, what I think the priority of this

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Speaker 18: campaign is, you know, kind of pretending to care about

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Speaker 18: youth issues, kind of casting the same old age old

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Speaker 18: playbook that doesn't work and sprinkling a youth veil on it.

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Speaker 18: Kind of representing gen Z in a way that simply

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Speaker 18: doesn't represent them. And I think to me this, I mean,

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Speaker 18: as someone who's like, you know, democratically elected by calls

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Speaker 18: students across the country, I think that when you say

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Speaker 18: you have a spy and you have to back it up,

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Speaker 18: you know. So, Holly and I were part of the

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Speaker 18: administration and Cause Democrats of America that spoke out against

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Speaker 18: Biden's policy is in Israel because we felt that it

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Speaker 18: was going to hurt him in the election cycle, and

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Speaker 18: that's what happened that. Honestly, I hate to say it,

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Speaker 18: but we were right. So I think that this, simply put,

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Speaker 18: this is just regurgitation of the playbook of you know, Schumer,

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Speaker 18: Biden and people in the past, trying to pretend that

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Speaker 18: it's new and novel with someone who happens to be

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Speaker 18: a number of gen Z.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so, Holly, I've seen you criticize Isaiah Martin's

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Speaker 6: campaign for maybe he hasn't said in this campaigns he

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Speaker 6: hasn't articulated any kind of policy ideas yet other than

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Speaker 6: defending social security, but he has been pretty vocally supportive

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Speaker 6: of Israel's assault.

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Speaker 1: So what like, where does that stand.

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Speaker 6: When it comes to a kind of a a gen

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Speaker 6: z An articulation of a gen Z approach to politics.

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Speaker 20: I think gen Z just cares a lot more like

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Speaker 20: about the world, and I think that when it comes

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Speaker 20: to these human rights violations, we are outspoken about it,

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Speaker 20: like we are on apologetically going to say we think

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Speaker 20: and what we think is well, you know, while most

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01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,479
Speaker 20: of gen Z's out on the streets protesting about these

1287
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Speaker 20: war crimes that our government is implicit in, Isaiah Martin's

1288
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 20: out here villainizing like student testers that are for the

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Speaker 20: most part very peaceful. I think that is just a

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Speaker 20: huge turn off becauset the end of the day, like

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Speaker 20: you know, Gaza was a big issue and the reason

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Speaker 20: that Democrats lost so many voters selection cycle, especially young people.

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Speaker 20: And it's not because we voted for Trump. It's actually

1294
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 20: because a lot of us stayed home. And if people

1295
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Speaker 20: don't realize that and don't learn from their mistakes, like

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Speaker 20: we're not going to win. And Isaiah Martin is most

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Speaker 20: definitely not going to be representing gen Z very accurately

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Speaker 20: if he's going to go buy that playbook, because he's

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Speaker 20: not Biden, he's not Schumer, right, like he's twenty seven, Like.

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Speaker 5: He has a lot of potential.

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Speaker 20: He could really use this moment to do a lot

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Speaker 20: for young people if he did it right. But he's not.

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Speaker 20: And if you look at his video you can see that,

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Speaker 20: like there's no substance in there. He just said Trump

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Speaker 20: bad the entire time. I don't really know what it

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Speaker 20: means to have a spine for him.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of Chuck Schumer, we've seen Alexandria Kosio Kortez

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Speaker 4: tag along with Bernie Sanders in the aftermath of Chuck

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Speaker 4: Schumer's decision not to shut down the government, we've seen

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Speaker 4: Democrats flooding Republican districts and going to their town halls,

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Speaker 4: I think, very effectively. So I'm curious for both your

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Speaker 4: perspectives as to whether that ma feels like it's opening

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Speaker 4: things up a little bit. That you know, Democrats nationally,

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Speaker 4: the Democratic Party leadership is more open to at least

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Speaker 4: maybe indulging the populist rhetoric and allowing people to or

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Speaker 4: or maybe I guess, let's put it this way, understanding

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Speaker 4: the political value of the more populist rhetoric of sort

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Speaker 4: of pushing back on the establishment. There was that poll

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Speaker 4: what was this last week of the week before Ryan

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Speaker 4: that found Democratic Party voters actually upset with the party

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Speaker 4: at levels that are historically have historically not been seen recently.

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Speaker 4: So are you guys sensing I mean you you guys

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Speaker 4: would be in a position to sort of get a sense.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that's opening things up?

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Speaker 8: I think just got to contextualize.

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Speaker 18: So, so, Holly and I, as VP and President claus

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Speaker 18: On Recruts of America, we are one of the four

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Speaker 18: hundred and forty eight DNC members who which has two

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Speaker 18: major powers, one being super delegance and two being able

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Speaker 18: to cast a vote in officer elections.

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Speaker 8: And I'm gonna be honest.

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Speaker 18: I'm very positive kind of about the where the direction

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Speaker 18: of this officer team has taken us with largely because

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Speaker 18: it's a major shift from I think the kind of

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Speaker 18: corporate esque attitude that we're used to. You know, Ken Martin,

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Speaker 18: who leads a DNC now is someone who comes from

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Speaker 18: a union background. He's from Minnesota, into the state that

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Speaker 18: produced Tim Wolls, that is one of the most progressive

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Speaker 18: states in the country despite having such a slim majority.

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Speaker 8: But it's not just him.

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Speaker 18: You also have, you know, DNC a vice chair David Hogg,

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Speaker 18: someone who's built their career off running young people for

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Speaker 18: positions of power. You have UH state Senator or state

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Speaker 18: Assemblyman Malcolm Kenyatta, who was the person who primary John

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Speaker 18: Fetterman like that guy is sitting in a DNC vice

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Speaker 18: chair seat. You have Arty Blanco who's a DNC vice

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Speaker 18: chair who's in charge of the political wing of the

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Speaker 18: fl CIO. Another union person I'm and Chosty Conrad sitting

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Speaker 18: on an associate chair seat who is one of the

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Speaker 18: most progressive state chairs in the country. So I think

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Speaker 18: that this new board is very different from what we're

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01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 18: used to and kind of they're a lot more open,

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01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 18: goint of indulging the ideas of kind of Sully and

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Speaker 18: I have of like, hey, what if in order to

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Speaker 18: turn out gen Z, you actually represent gen Z. And

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Speaker 18: I think that they understand that a lot better than

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Speaker 18: the leadership that was in power prior to the time

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Speaker 18: that I served.

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Speaker 8: Just call subcuts America President.

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Speaker 1: Well soon, Jay so Holly fighting an uphill battle to

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Speaker 1: make the Democratic Party a less awful institution.

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Speaker 6: But we applaud your civic efforts. Thank you so much

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Speaker 6: for joining us. Hopefully we've we've figured out this form

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Speaker 6: over substance problem that Democrats seem to have with gen Z. Now,

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Speaker 6: Palestinian journalists Hosam Shabbat was deliberately targeted and assassinated yesterday

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Speaker 6: in northern Gaza. Sharif abdel Cadus was his editor at

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Speaker 6: drop site News.

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Speaker 1: He joins us now to talk about Hossam's life and

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Speaker 1: his death. Shariff, thank you for joining.

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Speaker 22: Us, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So can you talk a little bit about who who

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Speaker 1: Hassam was?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, Jossem was a young journalist twenty three years old

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Speaker 22: who grew up in bid Hanun, which is on the

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Speaker 22: northeastern edge of Gaza. He was a correspondent for Al

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Speaker 22: Jazeera Mobejir and he quickly became the face on television

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Speaker 22: for millions of people around the Arab world. Because he

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Speaker 22: was one of the few journalists in Gaza who remained

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Speaker 22: in the north throughout the seventeen months of israel genocidal

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Speaker 22: assault there was he received many threats along with his colleagues,

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Speaker 22: especially another Al Jazeera correspondent, Anasta Shiv, directly from the

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Speaker 22: Israeli military, telling them that they had to displace to

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Speaker 22: the south because in the north was where, at certain

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Speaker 22: periods where Israel really concentrated its extermination campaign, especially in

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Speaker 22: October of last year, in the north of Gaza, and

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Speaker 22: it was only people like Jossem and the Belief and

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Speaker 22: other journalists that we really understood what was happening on

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Speaker 22: the ground. And throughout these seventeen months m he witnessed

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Speaker 22: the unimaginable death and suffering. Almost every single day he

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Speaker 22: was displaced over twenty times. He said that he couldn't sleep,

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Speaker 22: he was exhausted. He was often very hungry as Israel

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Speaker 22: imposed for starvation, especially in the North, and he buried

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Speaker 22: many of his colleagues and his friends over this period.

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Speaker 22: And despite that, he was determined to continue to cover

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Speaker 22: the genocide of his own people and with file reports

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Speaker 22: almost every single day. He was very active on social

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Speaker 22: media as well. And in October he was put on

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Speaker 22: a list of six journalists, all in the North, all

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Speaker 22: working for Al Jazeera, who say not all of them

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Speaker 22: working for Eljizier, but six journalists. The Israeli military deemed

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Speaker 22: them as militants and put out a list and it

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Speaker 22: was essentially a hit list. And we saw the spokesperson

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Speaker 22: for Israeli military, spokesperson in Arabic, his name is avihe Adrai,

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Speaker 22: you know, posting videos of himself speaking, calling out, calling

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Speaker 22: out Anasa Hidiev by name, and basically saying that you

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Speaker 22: know you, terrorists were going to get you. And this

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Speaker 22: was in October, and Josem is the first of the

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Speaker 22: six to be killed. He was bombed while driving in

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Speaker 22: his car and bait Lahya. Just an hour earlier, Israel

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Speaker 22: had killed another journalist, Hammad Montsour of Palestine. Today. Oseam's

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Speaker 22: last social media post was about Muhammad saying that another

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Speaker 22: journalist had been martyred and then he was killed, and

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Speaker 22: it's a very tragic loss, and his voice will be

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Speaker 22: will be messed in Hosevri. You know, he wrote a

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Speaker 22: letter to be published in the event of his death.

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Speaker 22: He knew he was going to probably be killed, and

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Speaker 22: it opens with him saying, if you're reading this, I

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Speaker 22: most probably have been if you're reading this, have been killed,

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Speaker 22: most probably by the Israeli occupation forces. And his colleagues

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Speaker 22: and friends published that letter yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Do you have any favorite memories or stories that stand

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Speaker 4: out just from editing him over the course of this

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Speaker 4: impossible duty that he felt he had to cover the war.

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Speaker 22: I mean, he was a very warm and kind person.

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Speaker 22: You know. When I asked him his age at one point,

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Speaker 22: I think for the second article I was editing and

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Speaker 22: I was writing a preamble for him, he wrote, you know,

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Speaker 22: ha ha ha, I'm twenty four. And then he said, actually,

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Speaker 22: I haven't even turned twenty four. I'm twenty three. I'm

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Speaker 22: really young, right, And I said, I told him, you know,

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Speaker 22: you're young in age, but in experience you have a

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Speaker 22: lot of experience. But then he said, you know, I'm

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Speaker 22: so tired. I'm so tired, but I'm going to keep

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Speaker 22: doing this. But you know, like our last interaction, which

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Speaker 22: was a few hours before he was killed, he reached

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Speaker 22: out to me and he said, Habibi, I miss you.

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Speaker 22: I checked in on him. How are you doing in Jabelliah?

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Speaker 22: He said things are tough. He filed his peace and

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Speaker 22: then he asked me when is it going to come out?

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Speaker 22: So I said, Sam, I sudden need to translate it,

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Speaker 22: we need to edit it. I'll get it out for

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Speaker 22: you tomorrow morning. This was Sunday night, New York time,

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Speaker 22: which would have been like five am his time. So

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Speaker 22: he said, I want to get it out urgently. I'm

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Speaker 22: going to public Can I publish it in Arabic? I said, okay,

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Speaker 22: if you want to publish parts of it in Arabic,

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Speaker 22: that's fine, but leave us something for drop site that's extra.

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Speaker 22: And then he was like, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'll

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Speaker 22: give it all to you. So he was that was

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Speaker 22: kind of his yeah, his attitude, but he also was

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Speaker 22: like very very determined to he did want to have

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Speaker 22: his writing. He was very enthusiastic about reporting for drop sites,

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Speaker 22: for having another outlet for working in print for having

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Speaker 22: his work translated, and it was my honor to be

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Speaker 22: a part of that. And yeah, he was killed hours later,

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Speaker 22: and it was very, very shocking because I was just

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Speaker 22: in touch with him, and you know, I woke up

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Speaker 22: and I sent some more follow up questions for the piece.

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Speaker 22: And what haunts me is I think, you know, was

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Speaker 22: that message that I was sending, was his phone going

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Speaker 22: off in his pocket as he was lying on the floor,

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Speaker 22: dead or dying. These things haunt me, But you know,

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Speaker 22: I try to remember his his work and his dedication

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Speaker 22: and his contribution to the Palestinian coast.

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Speaker 6: You've talked about how in December, I think it was

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Speaker 6: in December where he was talking about hitting his limit

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Speaker 6: almost that, talking about how much he hated what he

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Speaker 6: was doing and just banging his head against the wall

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Speaker 6: and screaming into a void to a world that isn't listening.

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Speaker 6: At the same at the same time, like his final

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Speaker 6: letter to the world is you know, don't don't give up.

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Speaker 6: And and to his you know, dying day, he was

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Speaker 6: he was continuing, continuing to fight, continuing to write, continuing

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Speaker 6: to report.

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Speaker 1: And I was also thinking about how Israel's decision to

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Speaker 1: kill him.

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Speaker 6: To assassinate him, in some ways undercuts the idea that

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Speaker 6: what he was doing wasn't having an effect like they

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Speaker 6: Why would that one of the most powerful militaries in

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Speaker 6: the world feel the need to assassinate an unarmed journalist

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01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 6: if the words he was writing and the work and

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Speaker 6: what what he was sharing on social media actually didn't

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 6: have any effect. So even though as we sit here

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01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 6: we see things getting worse and worse and worse, and

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Speaker 6: let's talk in a moment about the conditions on the

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Speaker 6: ground there, at least from the perspective of the israelis

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Speaker 6: that journalism it does still remain to be a threat.

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Speaker 6: How do you answer these questions as you go through

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Speaker 6: a life that sometimes seems pointless but clearly can't be

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Speaker 6: if it's such a threat.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean those comments in December. Obviously, like anyone,

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Speaker 22: he would swing between determination and de spare. When I

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Speaker 22: messaged him in December to check in on him, it

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Speaker 22: was after five journalists were killed in a single airstrike

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Speaker 22: on their vehicle. I think it was Christmas Day, So

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Speaker 22: I just checked in on him and he said, you know,

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Speaker 22: I hate this world. No one is doing anything. Our

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01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 22: job is only to die. When I speak with my

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01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 22: colleagues now we just speak about whose turn is it next.

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Speaker 22: So I think there was deep frustration the silence of

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Speaker 22: the world, and we can talk about the silence of

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Speaker 22: Western media institutions about people like Hossem and the more

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Speaker 22: than two hundred journalists who have been killed. There isn't

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Speaker 22: a level of outrage that there should be, and people

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Speaker 22: like Cossem would still be alive if there was. I

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Speaker 22: truly do believe that. But Hosem was effective. He was

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Speaker 22: covering things where no one was there was. The first

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Speaker 22: piece he filed for us was this searing account of

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Speaker 22: the force displacement of Bitlahea during was essentially an extermination

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Speaker 22: campaign in the very north of Gaza in October November

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Speaker 22: of last year. And he was one of the very

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Speaker 22: few people that was there seeing people coming out. He

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Speaker 22: wasn't physically there because I don't think anyone could survive,

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Speaker 22: but he was right on the outskirts seeing people come out,

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Speaker 22: and he filed the story. And so yeah, I mean,

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01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 22: the Israeli military very explicitly did not want journalists there.

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Speaker 22: They kept telling them, threatening them go to the south, stop,

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Speaker 22: don't report from here. And then eventually put them on

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Speaker 22: this list. And then yesterday, you know, the idea of

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Speaker 22: official Twitter account celebrates the killing of Hossein, says he

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Speaker 22: was not a journalist, he was a terrorist. Don't let

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Speaker 22: the press vest fool you. And then Avice Andrei, that

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Speaker 22: despicable spokesperson in Arabic for the Isavily military, is celebrating

1524
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 22: his killing. He is put out a video of himself

1525
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 22: speaking saying again, wasn't a journalist? Who's a terrorist? Once

1526
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 22: again posting these documents they said that they discovered showing

1527
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,839
Speaker 22: Hossem was actually a militant and a bit Hanun battalion

1528
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 22: of Hamez. This is the same military and the same

1529
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 22: guy who you know, have justified the killing of doctors,

1530
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 22: of UN workers, of children. They often released these documents

1531
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,879
Speaker 22: purporting to show that they have proof that these journalists

1532
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 22: are not journalists. In July of last year, these really

1533
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 22: military killed Al Jazeera journalist Is Smile Rule was actually

1534
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 22: a very very close friend of Hosem's, decapitated him in

1535
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 22: the airstrike. It also killed his cameraman Romin DRIFFI. Then

1536
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 22: is really Military released a document it said it supported

1537
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 22: claims that Ismail was I received a military ranking from

1538
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 22: Hamez in two thousand and seven, when he was ten

1539
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 22: years old. This is how ridiculous their alleged claims are,

1540
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 22: and it's shameful that both the United States and Western

1541
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 22: media institutions have not spoken out against the killing of

1542
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 22: over two hundred journalists. We knew very very early on

1543
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 22: that Israel was doing something different in targeting the press

1544
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 22: this time. In the first ten weeks of the war,

1545
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 22: more journalists were killed in Gaza than had been killed

1546
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 22: in any country over an entire year, according to CPJ,

1547
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 22: So we knew that there was something different happening here,

1548
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 22: and there was not the outrage that by legacy media

1549
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 22: institutions in this country around this, and this allows for

1550
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 22: this killing to continue, and it's not only continuing, it's

1551
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 22: getting worse. Before they would deny they killed the journalists,

1552
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 22: or say it was collateral damage, that they were trying

1553
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 22: to get a Hames meltant and the journalist was unfortunate

1554
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 22: consequence of the bombing, or they would kill the journalists

1555
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 22: and then like a smile, we'll say afterwards that they

1556
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 22: were militant, and now they're openly just hunting them, saying, oh,

1557
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 22: these ones are journalists, and we're going to these ones

1558
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 22: are not journalists and we're to kill them.

1559
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, so this has been allowed to happen.

1560
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: And with the fhlimsias of evidence.

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01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 6: One of the documents that you reference claims that he

1562
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 6: took part in some battalion training in twenty nineteen when

1563
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 6: he would have been sixteen or seventeen years old, which, like,

1564
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 6: even in a fantasy land where we just completely accept

1565
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 6: every document that they put forward, even if it were

1566
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 6: true that there was some high school training program, like,

1567
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 6: nobody would argue that Barakravid or any other Israeli journalists

1568
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 6: who serve time in the reserves years earlier should be

1569
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 6: killed while on camera. And the other point on the

1570
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 6: question of whether or not he was a journalist, he

1571
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 6: has been doing journalism every day since October seventh and

1572
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 6: before but since then, and so every single day we

1573
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 6: have the evidence of what he is doing because he

1574
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 6: is doing it publicly, live streaming and when possible, posting

1575
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 6: to social media, writing pieces. At what point did he

1576
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 6: manage to create this secret life? And it's it's like

1577
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 6: it of course, when you start to think about it,

1578
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 6: it all, it all completely crumbles and the hope among

1579
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 6: the propagandas is that nobody will think about it because

1580
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 6: like this would you wouldn't a terrorist and then just

1581
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 6: beyond television all day, like that's like that would be

1582
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 6: a company.

1583
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 13: I think.

1584
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 22: Also, what's what's more saddening in a way, is that

1585
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 22: no one's even paying attention. That it's not being discussed

1586
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 22: whether he was a journalist or a terrorist or militant,

1587
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 22: and whether the Israeli claims are true or not. It's

1588
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 22: just he's killed and it's just normal. It's normal state

1589
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 22: of affairs. The way it's been normalized that Israel, as

1590
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 22: it did a few days ago, can bomb a hospital,

1591
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 22: the biggest hospital.

1592
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 8: Let's just become normal.

1593
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 22: That the way they can kill over two hundred children

1594
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 22: in a matter of hours, and it isn't you know

1595
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 22: this massive outrage around the world. Think these things have

1596
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 22: become normalized, and it's it's it's allowing the killing to continue.

1597
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 6: And for the audience doesn't know, uh doesn't know Shari've

1598
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 6: played a lead role in a documentary about the killing

1599
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 6: of Sharina booklet, and it's painful to think that things

1600
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 6: were better than when Israel was at least starting out

1601
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 6: by denying their role, and the world cared. The world

1602
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 6: wanted to find out what happened. Now they're forecasting what

1603
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 6: they're going to do doing it, and nobody cares.

1604
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 4: Sure if we can roll this clip, it's a voiceover

1605
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 4: clip of Hassam's mother. People who are watching this can

1606
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 4: see it on the screen. But I imagine, even as

1607
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 4: it feels as though people in the United States are

1608
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 4: sort of tuned out and maybe numb at best, in Gaza,

1609
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 4: this is playing out very differently. I imagine the reaction

1610
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 4: on the ground with people that you guys have talked

1611
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 4: to your sources is mourning and not shock, because Hassam

1612
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 4: himself seemed to expect that this would happen at some point.

1613
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 4: But I'm sure it's hit people very hard.

1614
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 22: Solutely, you know. Jossem told me at one point, he said,

1615
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 22: you know, I haven't seen my family for well over

1616
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 22: a year because they all displaced to the South. He

1617
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 22: was in January or early February. He was reunited with

1618
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 22: his mother for the first time in four hundred and

1619
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 22: ninety two days. He hadn't seen her. There's a very

1620
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 22: moving video of them hugging. Excuse me, Yeah, he has

1621
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 22: several siblings. You know, after a few hours after his death,

1622
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 22: I got a notification my phone from his WhatsApp, which

1623
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 22: was very shocking because that's the way I communicate with him,

1624
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 22: and I was just trying to process that he died

1625
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 22: and I got a message saying, God have mercy on him,

1626
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 22: and I wrote back, God have mercy on him. Who's this?

1627
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 22: He said, it's his brother with M. He sent him

1628
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 22: a long voice note saying how much Hassem meant to

1629
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 22: drop site news and to me and how important his

1630
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 22: work was. And you know, the brothers very appreciative of that,

1631
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 22: but not Sem was. As many of these journalists are

1632
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 22: their kind of heroes in Gaza. At the beginning of

1633
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 22: the so called ceasefire in January, when the actual bombs

1634
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 22: stopped raining down and there was some kind of reprieve,

1635
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 22: many of them were hoisted onto the shoulders of people.

1636
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 22: There's video of rosem being hoisted onto the shoulders of

1637
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 22: just people in the north celebrating him in his work.

1638
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 22: And we saw scenes of his funeral yesterday being carried

1639
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 22: and with his press vest on him to honor his work.

1640
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 22: So yeah, I'm beside myself about it and.

1641
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 6: Angry as well, and since March second, which predates the

1642
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 6: complete collapse of the seas fire, the destruction of the

1643
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 6: ceasefire by Israel. Israel had you reinstituted the complete siege

1644
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 6: and nothing has been able to get in to Gaza

1645
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 6: since since March second, there were protests. We can roll

1646
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 6: a little bit of that clip there yesterday which Western

1647
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 6: media was seizing on some expressions of anti Hamas sentiment.

1648
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: As some of these protests, there may be some more schedule.

1649
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 6: Today you hear a lot of people saying and the

1650
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 6: siege and and the war designs, talking about the ending,

1651
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 6: ending the occupation.

1652
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: What are you understanding our.

1653
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 6: Conditions now three weeks into the complete shut off of

1654
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 6: supplies getting into nearly two million people.

1655
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 22: I mean people are this is reimposed for starvation again.

1656
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 22: As you know, one of our own contributors about Bocra

1657
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 22: Abbad is suffering from malnutrition. Now he's twenty two years old.

1658
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 22: He messaged me the other day. Body's aching. He's in

1659
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 22: deep pain. He's exhausted, he kind of can't get out

1660
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 22: of bed really well. He needs s galvanized multi vitamins

1661
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 22: and other things. Speaking to doctors that we know some

1662
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 22: American doctors and Palestinian doctors who are on the ground

1663
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 22: there seeing if we can get them anything, and they

1664
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 22: hardly have any supplies. Two doctors American doctors yesterday said

1665
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 22: who work at Nassat Hospital and were there when it

1666
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 22: was bombed by the Israelis a few days ago, so

1667
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 22: that the hospital is going to last another week and

1668
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 22: without any more supplies that they just really can't function.

1669
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 22: So it's on top of an very much escalated bombing campaign.

1670
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 22: The Ministry of Health this morning put out statistics on

1671
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 22: just since last week, since last Tuesday, when this re

1672
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 22: escalation of the airline bombardment began, there's eight hundred and

1673
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 22: thirty people have been killed already and among them is

1674
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 22: over three hundred children. Tree twenty children have been killed.

1675
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 22: So there's bombing happening, there's a complete siege. There's also

1676
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 22: forced evacuation or force displacement orders happening all around. They

1677
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 22: happened first in bitter Known where Hassem was originally from.

1678
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,440
Speaker 22: They are happening in Bitlahya, in parts of eastern Conunis.

1679
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 22: Today there was displacement orders for parts of Gaza City.

1680
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 22: And I think something like Unroa said within the over

1681
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 22: the past week one hundred and thirty thousand Palestinians have

1682
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 22: been redisplaced already. This seems like it's laying the groundwork

1683
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 22: for another massive ground incursion by Israeli ground troops. So

1684
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 22: the situation is terrible, and there's also some sort of

1685
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 22: fatigue of people. I just don't feel the same kind

1686
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 22: of outrage of people here in this country around what's happening.

1687
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 22: There's a lot that they're dealing with with Trump and

1688
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 22: Musk and people being deported, but I feel like the

1689
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 22: Israeli seem to have a green light now. They did

1690
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 22: their few weeks of a so called seasfire, and now

1691
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 22: they're just went to come in and finish off what

1692
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 22: they haven't. So it's very terrifying. And I can't even imagine,

1693
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 22: for example, the five other journalists that were put on

1694
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 22: that hit list, what they must be feeling after Rosem

1695
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 22: was killed and they're celebrating his death. Can you imagine

1696
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 22: what it must be like.

1697
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 6: Especially rones, like drones concently flying over top, knowing that

1698
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 6: the people who operate those drones have promised that they're

1699
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 6: going to kill you, Like, what must it be like

1700
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 6: to drive around, walk around, not just for yourself you know,

1701
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 6: Sam's best friend was killed alongside him. You probably feel

1702
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 6: some radioactivity around others. You will go to visit your blue,

1703
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 6: go to visit your family. You wonder if you're you

1704
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 6: wonder if you're putting your family at risk just by existing.

1705
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 22: You know, I was in touch with another drop SEC

1706
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 22: contributary yesterday Russia, Boujeleel, who is in Gaza City. She

1707
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,719
Speaker 22: went there back there after the seas fire. She almost

1708
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 22: died last week when they Israeli's bombed the house right

1709
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 22: next to her, bombed her neighbor and the wall collapsed

1710
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 22: on the room where she usually sleeps with her husband

1711
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 22: and five children, but they were in another room because

1712
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 22: it was warmer, so they miraculously survived. She's saying that

1713
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 22: people are being all these people who are being displaced,

1714
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 22: they're mostly coming to that area of Gaza City that

1715
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 22: she's in and there's literally nothing to no shelter, so

1716
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 22: there's just rubble. They don't even have tens or makeshift tarps.

1717
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 22: They're just literally like on the rubble. She said. People

1718
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 22: are starving to the degree that she saw family go

1719
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 22: out to the beach and they caught a turtle and

1720
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 22: ate it. So you know, and she it's just almost

1721
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 22: kind of unimaginable what's happening, and it's just escalating and escalating,

1722
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 22: and the world is just watching as it's happening.

1723
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this indeed, sureif Thank you so much for joining

1724
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 1: us and deeply appreciate it.

1725
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.

1726
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 4: Shout out to producer Griffin because we are covering the

1727
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 4: snow White story.

1728
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 5: Not due to Maya and Ryan's deep devotion of two

1729
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 5: snow White and Disney.

1730
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 4: But you know what, there's actually some interesting stuff going

1731
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 4: on here, so let's get into it.

1732
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 5: We can put g one up on the screen.

1733
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 4: This is a post from Variety which says, quote after

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Speaker 4: Rachel Ziegeler hit the stage at Disney' D twenty three

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Speaker 4: fan event to introduce the first official trailer of Snow White,

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Speaker 4: she thinks of words effusively at an ex post. One

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Speaker 4: minute later, she added an afterthought in the same thread,

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Speaker 4: quote and always remember free Palestine. So that was what

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Speaker 4: Ziegler posted, and Variety goes on a report many inside

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Speaker 4: the studio express shock that she would commingle the promotion

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Speaker 4: of its two hundred and seventy million dollars ten poll

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Speaker 4: with any kind of political statement. The film's producer flew

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Speaker 4: to New York to speak with her, but Ziegler stood.

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Speaker 5: Her ground and the post remained.

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Speaker 4: Now we can put G two up on the screen

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Speaker 4: because it's going to get even more interesting if you haven't.

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Speaker 5: Been following this quote behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: This is from sixteen death threats towards Zigler's co star

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Speaker 4: Gal Gado, who is Israeli spiked and Disney had to

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Speaker 4: pay for additional security for the mother of four quote.

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Speaker 4: She didn't understand the repercussions of her actions as far

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Speaker 4: as what that meant for the film, for Gal for anyone.

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Speaker 4: So sorry, that's not actually from sixty minutes. That's also

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Speaker 4: from the Variety piece. So that's Variety has like a

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Speaker 4: kind of TikTok of what was happening behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: Not surprising at all that this is what's happening behind

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Speaker 4: the scenes of Disney. But before we get into it

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Speaker 4: even more, Ryan, I just want to say the Semophore

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Speaker 4: newsletter had an interesting tidbut about this. They said, as

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Speaker 4: many people know, this movie is not doing very well

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Speaker 4: at the box office compared to the amount of money

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Speaker 4: that was poured into it, despite a soft weekend opening,

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Speaker 4: Semophore wrote in its newsletter a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 4: the political backlash isn't what seemed to hurt the movie's performance,

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Speaker 4: because Snow White overperformed in Republican leaning areas and did

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Speaker 4: well among Latino and Hispanic audiences. So I mean that

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Speaker 4: doesn't quite Rebut the point about whether all of this

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Speaker 4: politico political uh fiasco had anything to do with why

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Speaker 4: ittt had a quote soft weekend opening.

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Speaker 5: It is getting absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Trashed by critics, not like conservative critics, and it is

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Speaker 4: getting slammed across the board for being terrible, but it

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Speaker 4: does I mean, I think over performing Republican leaning areas.

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Speaker 4: Kad Of tells you that it's probably not the politics

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Speaker 4: that's ultimately the biggest albatross for the snow White.

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Speaker 1: Film, And I would hope that nobody would even think that.

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Speaker 6: It's like, come on, like her tweeting Free Palestine is

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Speaker 6: not going you know two months later, No, you know,

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Speaker 6: really damaged.

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Speaker 1: I think the box upics whether or not, whether not

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Speaker 1: the movie is any good, it's really what's what's going

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Speaker 1: to drive it in the end.

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Speaker 6: We could put up G four Yeah, if we have

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Speaker 6: a minute here. So this is this is UH Mark Platt,

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Speaker 6: this is about the kind of pressure on people inside

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Speaker 6: Hollywood not to kind of speak up on behalf of Palestine.

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Speaker 6: Here's Mark Platt. This is them talking kind of about

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Speaker 6: the Wicked Cast.

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Speaker 23: Several members of the Wicked Cast have been active, at

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Speaker 23: least online in their opposition to Israel artists for a ceasefire.

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Speaker 23: As someone who cares so much about your professional relationships

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Speaker 23: and the product you're making on set, how do you

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Speaker 23: navigate that.

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Speaker 24: I talk to people, and I think people are told

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Speaker 24: that something is about something in a very reductive way,

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Speaker 24: and it feels like who doesn't care about innocent right tragedy,

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Speaker 24: innocent civilians. No decent human being wants any suffering in

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Speaker 24: humanity from decent people. What happens in instances is individuals

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Speaker 24: describe their names to something where they're not being completely informed,

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Speaker 24: and the messaging to them is they're.

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Speaker 8: Suffering here, right, we have to speak out for suffering.

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Speaker 24: The message doesn't include there's also suffering over here, or

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Speaker 24: there's suffering that was prompted or instigated by an act

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Speaker 24: of terror or an act of evil, or there's a

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Speaker 24: terrorist group in place that wishes for the annihilation of

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Speaker 24: a whole group of people that gets left out of

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Speaker 24: the conversation. And so my way ABI is when the

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Speaker 24: moment is right, is to have that conversation where it

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Speaker 24: can be heard and where what I'm saying can be heard,

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Speaker 24: not in the midst of anger, where it can be

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Speaker 24: heard and.

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Speaker 8: Processed and therefore understood.

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Speaker 24: And I feel good about those conversations that have.

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Speaker 6: Been had right And so, according to Variety, platt Head

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Speaker 6: made that same pitch to her say, Hey, you really

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Speaker 6: don't understand that. Actually, I guess you know, they're all

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Speaker 6: asking for.

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Speaker 1: It and we can and she did not. She declined

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Speaker 1: to take it down.

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Speaker 5: We could put G three on the screen as well.

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Speaker 5: This is an interesting point.

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Speaker 4: The writer of the article of the Variety piece familiar

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Speaker 4: byline to people who fall Hollywood duws, just Tatiana Seagull, also,

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Speaker 4: as this user on x points out, made the hit

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Speaker 4: pieces against Melissa Barrera and Amber heard so very inside

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Speaker 4: Hollywood type of analysis there, but still fairly interesting because

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Speaker 4: your point about the pressures from a company like Disney

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Speaker 4: Massive Corporation, which has millions and millions of dollars on

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Speaker 4: the line with this movie, you know, this is one

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Speaker 4: of the more interesting I think cauldrons of political pressures

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Speaker 4: because snow White. One of the reasons that it just

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Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't seen it. Your kids are right,

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Speaker 4: they like it. Fine, that's fine, Yeah, I mean one

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Speaker 4: of the reasons I think it's and critics have pointed

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Speaker 4: this out, one of the reasons it's struggling is that

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Speaker 4: Disney had they were sort of excited about this movie

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Speaker 4: in an era before the quote unquote vibe shift after

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Speaker 4: Trump wins the election, and some of their movies that

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Speaker 4: they had kind of intentionally framed to be I don't

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Speaker 4: want to say the word woke, because I don't think

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Speaker 4: that's right, but sort of signaling or gesturing at like

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Speaker 4: the progressive cultural worldview. They were really excited about those projects,

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Speaker 4: put a lot of money into them, and they mostly

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Speaker 4: haven't done well.

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Speaker 5: They haven't been great products. And again that's because you

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Speaker 5: have a.

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Speaker 4: You have a corporation attempting to like latch on to

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Speaker 4: this progressive messaging. And so it's incredibly confused because they

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Speaker 4: don't really buy the sort of progressive class critique, but

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Speaker 4: they can easily buy you've written about this, they can

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Speaker 4: easily buy the identity critique where it does the skin

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Speaker 4: suit and you know type of and start promoting these

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Speaker 4: types of things, and so it ends up making a

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Speaker 4: really confused product at the end of the day, like

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Speaker 4: this one.

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Speaker 5: They took the dwarves out like they literally he edited

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Speaker 5: the dwarves.

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Speaker 4: Out of the snow Whites movie because Peter Dinglish and

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Speaker 4: others complained in the era of I guess people will

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Speaker 4: call it like peak woke capital p capitol w that

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Speaker 4: it was insensitive to cast actual people in that role.

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Speaker 4: So they ended up using CGI and that the effect

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Speaker 4: of that on the movie has to be devastating, like

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Speaker 4: just that in and of itself, to take the live

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Speaker 4: action human beings out of it and replace them with

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Speaker 4: CGI had to have been insane.

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Speaker 6: And in a related scandal, and we can put this

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Speaker 6: up up in post. Yesterday we covered the assault on.

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Speaker 1: Balal Hams and the co director Hamden Bal, the co

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Speaker 1: director of No Other Land, by a group of settlers

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Speaker 1: in Israel.

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Speaker 6: So this is, you know, just weeks ago, he wins

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Speaker 6: an oscar, goes back to the West Bank where he

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Speaker 6: gets gets assaulted. The Israeli security forces pick him up

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Speaker 6: after this assault. You've all Abraham who was his co

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Speaker 6: director journal a Jewish Israeli journalist at nine to seven two,

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Speaker 6: who also won an Oscar and was appeared with him

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Speaker 6: on the.

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Speaker 1: Stage, posted this morning, so he wrote sadly.

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Speaker 6: The US Academy, which awarded us in Oscar three weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: declined to publicly support Hamdan Blal while he was beaten

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Speaker 6: and tortured by Israeli soldiers and settlers. The European Academy

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Speaker 6: voiced support, as did countless other award groups and festivals.

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Speaker 6: Several US Academy members, especially in the documentary branch, pushed

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Speaker 6: for a statement, but was ultimately refused. We were told

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Speaker 6: that because other Palestinians were beaten up in the settler attack,

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Speaker 6: it could be considered unrelated to the film, so they felt.

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Speaker 1: No need to respond.

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Speaker 6: In other words, while Hamdan was clearly targeted for making

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Speaker 6: no other land parentheses, he recalled soldiers joking about the

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Speaker 6: Oscar as they tortured him, he was also targeted for

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Speaker 6: being Palestinian, like countless others every day who are disregarded. This,

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Speaker 6: it seems, gave the Academy an excuse to remain silent

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Speaker 6: when a filmmaker they honored living under Israeli occupation needed

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Speaker 6: them the most it's not too late to change this stance.

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Speaker 1: Even now.

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Speaker 6: Issuing a statement condemning the attack on how I'm don

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Speaker 6: and the Masa Feryata community would send a meaningful message

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Speaker 6: and serve as a deterrent for the future. That's you've

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Speaker 6: all Abraham talking about the politics in the industry.

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Speaker 1: That we're talking about here.

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Speaker 4: I have an optimistic take on this, which is that

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Speaker 4: the public backlash to the era of what felt like

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Speaker 4: sort of stifling, especially to a lot of people, even

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Speaker 4: a lot of people who are on the left. We

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Speaker 4: talk to people who work in the entertainment industry, it

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Speaker 4: seems like the public backlash to that may actually benefit

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Speaker 4: everyone in just a much freer, more open environment in general.

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Speaker 4: Like I was at Yale last night doing a debate,

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Speaker 4: and it just was remarkable to me. I had graduated

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Speaker 4: from college only ten years ago. The way that they

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Speaker 4: talk about politics is so much more liberated than the way,

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Speaker 4: especially people on the left talked about politics when I

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Speaker 4: was there. It just as they just they would ask questions.

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Speaker 4: We did a dinner beforehand, and they were asking questions

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Speaker 4: to me and to the other speaker that people.

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Speaker 5: Would have been like couching with, you know, if it

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Speaker 5: were twenty twelve. Like, you know, some people think this

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Speaker 5: and I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but

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Speaker 5: like what.

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Speaker 4: It's just like everyone could speak freely for the most part,

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Speaker 4: and you know, nobody said anything like offensive obviously, but

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Speaker 4: asking legitimate questions. I don't know if you've noticed this. Actually,

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Speaker 4: like it would be interesting for like an elephant in

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Speaker 4: the Zoom follow up. I feel like there's just generally

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Speaker 4: people are taking a breath, and I feel like that's.

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Speaker 1: Good for Yeah, everyone, there's sort of yeah, there's some

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Speaker 1: elements that are still completely dug in hasn't gotten there yet,

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Speaker 1: but we'll see still fighting it out in some of

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Speaker 1: those some of these specific islands.

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Speaker 5: Well, well we'll see what happens. But anyway, Disney, what

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Speaker 5: a company, what a what a time. Uh, this was fun.

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Speaker 1: We'll see the film and report back. No, maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: get my twins on they can do a review.

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Speaker 5: Actually, that's a great idea. So Ryan, you're back here.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, back here tomorrow and then that set.

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Speaker 16: In this seat.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, it's always Yeah, Crystal's out this week,

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Speaker 4: so I don't know if we'll be here on Friday.

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Speaker 1: But oh that's right. We'll have to organize it ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we go around, we'll do we'll do

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Speaker 1: that for you. Yes, right, you're around Friday. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll do that for you. Cool honor of Crystal Cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: and maybe she'll be able to join.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you can bank up also complaints against soccer

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Speaker 4: that you can sort of air your a grievances on

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Speaker 4: Friday after a week soccer.

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01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 5: We can just do that.

1949
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 4: So far, so good, many such cases. All right, well

1950
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 4: you guys then, thanks everyone tuning in. Yeah, we'll see

1951
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 4: you guys then