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Speaker 4: Bunch of wild updates for you guys.

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Speaker 2: In terms of what's going on in Chicago, Portland, court cases,

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Speaker 2: National Guard deployment, Meal Team six. We'll get to that

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Speaker 2: in a moment as well, but let's start with this.

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Speaker 2: See one Trump threatening both the Mayor of Chicago, Brandon

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Speaker 2: Johnson and Governor Pritzker. Chicago Mayor should be in jail

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Speaker 2: for family to protect ice officers. Governor Pritzker as well.

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Speaker 2: Love When the President of the United States threatens political

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Speaker 2: opponents with imprisonment, let's go ahead and take a Listen

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Speaker 2: to Jamie Pritzker's response, Well, I want to hear what.

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Speaker 1: You have to say back to the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's start with the idea that this is a

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Speaker 3: convicted felon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about that. Who is threatening to jail me.

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Speaker 1: I got to say, this guy's.

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Speaker 5: Unhinged, he's insecure, he's a wanna be dictator.

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Speaker 6: And there's one thing I really want to say to

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: If you come for my people, you come through me.

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Speaker 4: So come and get me, Come and get me.

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Speaker 2: So Pritzker trying to take a page I think on

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Speaker 2: of the Gavin Newsom playbook of Hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: stand up to you. I'm not going to buckle in

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Speaker 2: the face of what you're trying to do to the

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Speaker 2: city of Chicago. Certainly Chicago residents and many others in

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Speaker 2: Illinois and many across the country, frankly stand with him

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Speaker 2: on that. There's also what appears to be a pretty

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Speaker 2: significant decision yesterday coming out of a federal court in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do my best to explain this. I

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time yesterday digging into the significance

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Speaker 2: of this and what it's going to mean, let's go

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Speaker 2: and put this element up on the screen. So a

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Speaker 2: federal judge in Chicago has found that ICE has repeatedly

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Speaker 2: violated a consent decree that applies to Chicago and a

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Speaker 2: number of adjacent regions over warrantless arrests. Okay, So, going

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Speaker 2: back a number of years, there was a finding that

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Speaker 2: it appeared ICE was violating immigrants' rights in and around Chicago,

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Speaker 2: and so the government entered into this consent decree to

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Speaker 2: make sure they're increased reporting requirements, to make sure that

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Speaker 2: they are meeting their requirements of using warrants when required

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Speaker 2: in order to arrest immigrants who were expected of being

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Speaker 2: in the country illegally.

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Speaker 4: So the lawyers for.

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Speaker 2: The plaintiff here came in and said, look, it does

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Speaker 2: not look like you're complying with this whatsoever, and this

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Speaker 2: judge agreed. So what is the legal landscape Basically, in

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Speaker 2: the wake of the Supreme Court saying that you can

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Speaker 4: You're allowed to briefly question.

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Speaker 2: Someone based on basically just like their appearance, the fact

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Speaker 2: they're in an area where there's a lot of undocumented

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Speaker 2: immigrants where they're working whatever. You're allowed to briefly question them,

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Speaker 2: but if you want to actually arrest them, you have

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Speaker 4: This has to be documented.

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Speaker 2: So as we've seen in Chicago in any number of cases,

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Speaker 2: other instances in which this occurred. So most directly this

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Speaker 2: some had some stipulations with regard to national enforcement as well.

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Speaker 4: So it is a significant development.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what the enforcement looks like, We'll see whether

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Speaker 2: ICE complies with it. We'll see if they change the

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Speaker 2: way that they conduct themselves going forward. But Sager, one

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Speaker 2: of the major incidents that they cited in this law

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was curious, and since you've done the research,

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Speaker 3: I read that Block Chicago article. What I did I

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Speaker 3: don't understand is how a consent degree can be confined

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Speaker 3: only to an area for national law enforcement. That's why

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Speaker 3: I was like, isn't it a national standard for warrants

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Speaker 3: or for the like, how why do you have to

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Speaker 3: the state of California or the state of Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Like how it just didn't click for me. That's what

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Speaker 1: I was trying to understand.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, okay, all right, all right, That's

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Speaker 3: why I've asked chat GPT even they are like, well,

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Speaker 3: there was a consent degree in the past, and there's

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: It's under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: Technically they don't have to apply or they can comply,

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Speaker 3: but they can appeal. There's a supremacy argument here about hey,

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Speaker 3: like you can't restrict like federal law enforcement action in

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Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, what, well.

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Speaker 2: And the national standard is, as I described the Kavanaugh

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Speaker 2: stop is not a justification for arrest.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 3: It's a brief detector or it's supposed to be attention

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Speaker 3: for what is it a reasonable period of time.

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Speaker 4: It's not even the tension.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be like you can approach someone on

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Speaker 2: Ice has been stretching that in all sorts of ways,

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Speaker 2: and even what constitute arrest is something that has to

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Speaker 2: be sort of litigated that there's you know, supreme court

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Speaker 2: a reasonable person would think that you were not able

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Speaker 2: to freely leave. Is the definition of what constitutes are

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Speaker 2: an arrest? Something like that is basically the language. What

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Speaker 2: I read is that basically the consent decree allowed ICE

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Speaker 2: to agree to these changes, but didn't admit liability. It

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Speaker 2: applies to arrest in the seven county Chicago metro area,

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Speaker 2: but includes nationwide policy changes for ICE's warrantless arrest practices.

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Speaker 2: So that's why you know it's enforced in Chicago. It

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Speaker 2: has the most bearing on what's going on in Chicago

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Speaker 2: right now, but also does implicate national policy and could

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Speaker 2: act as some sort of a constraint. Again, we've seen

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Speaker 2: though the way that some of these First of all,

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Speaker 2: some of these decisions end up getting overturned on appeal

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Speaker 2: or the initial temporary restraining order, those sorts of things

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Speaker 2: get rolled back on appeal. Second of all, you know,

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Speaker 2: ways to avoid complying with these sorts of decisions. So

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Speaker 2: we'll see if it changes their behavior. But it's the

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Speaker 2: most significant lawsuit to date that could constrain the way

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Speaker 2: that they operate, where they just roll into an apartment

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Speaker 2: building for example, with black Cock military helicopters and pull

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Speaker 2: everybody up, or go to a park and see a

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Speaker 2: family that's there, that's one of the instances that was

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Speaker 2: involved in this case as well, and just decide to

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Speaker 2: arrest the mom, dad, and five year old daughter.

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Speaker 4: Who happened to be there.

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Speaker 2: So they wouldn't be able to do that without being

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Speaker 2: able to show not only do we think you're undocumented,

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Speaker 2: but we think you're a flight risk before this could

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm curious to see how it goes on appeal.

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Speaker 3: Just again, I don't quite understand. Are you saying or

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Speaker 3: based on your research, do you think it could go

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Speaker 3: federal like it would apply everywhere?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it could. I mean the standards should

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Speaker 4: What they're the.

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Speaker 2: Standards I just laid out are the you know, the

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Speaker 2: national law with regard to Chicago. I think they had

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Speaker 2: some additional reporting requirements and additional burdens to you know,

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Speaker 2: ensure that they were complying with what the law is.

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Speaker 4: Is basically my understanding.

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Speaker 3: I still am just unclear because I don't really understand how.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand how you can how it can be

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court and then not in Chicago. I apologize.

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Speaker 1: It's just so confusing there.

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Speaker 2: The overlap is confusing. So in Chicago, even in the

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Speaker 2: face of this decision, they can still do the Kavanaugh stops. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's the question is not about that. It's about when

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Speaker 2: arrest and detain someone. And again, this is this is

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Speaker 2: law that applies across the land. In Chicago, I think

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Speaker 2: additional tools to be able to get this particular decision,

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Speaker 2: but it should apply more broadly. And even in the

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Speaker 2: it also implicated nationwide ice policy changes to make sure

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Speaker 2: that immigrants rights were being preserved.

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Speaker 4: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Everyone.

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Speaker 3: I know it's tedious, but I think, as you said,

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Speaker 3: we did the research because you said it was the

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Speaker 3: most significant one to date. So we'll continue to track it.

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Speaker 3: Should we update everyone on Meal Team six?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I had no, No, this is yours?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well you made I did did make

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Speaker 2: a TikTok. I was inspired to do my most tiktoki

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Speaker 2: TikTok yet about this particular development. So Texas National Guard

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Speaker 2: has now been deployed into Chicago, which is very scary

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Speaker 2: that you have now red state soldiers being deployed in

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Speaker 2: blue state. Seems to be courting dangerous escalation, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Are However, it's a little bit hard to take the

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Speaker 2: fascist threat seriously when this is what the fascist threat

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Speaker 2: looks like. Let's put this up on the screen. Many

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Speaker 2: many comments were made. They're being called Meal Team six,

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Speaker 2: being called the Gravy Seals. I've heard people say that

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Speaker 2: they're arriving for Operation Dessert Storm, among among other discussions

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Speaker 2: of maybe you need to make sure to protect that

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Speaker 2: deep dished pizza in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: That those dipped subs whatever those are.

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Speaker 2: For those who are just listening, there's some big boys here,

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Speaker 2: in particular the two gentlemen in the front. But they're

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Speaker 2: all pretty, they're they're hefty, typical American.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 4: Sex in particular, some big boys down there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, the government they

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Speaker 3: And they have made some people's life help in general,

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Speaker 2: Should we should we show everybody the army of Antifa

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Speaker 2: here in DC. And grand jury also said no, we're

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Speaker 2: not gonna not going to indict this guy. This is

443
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Speaker 2: extraordinarily unusual. Usually prosecutors they always get their indictments. And

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Speaker 2: I've forgotten the numbers, but Washington posted an analysis and

445
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Speaker 2: it's the tiniest proposal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we remember there's the famous thing.

447
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Speaker 4: You can get it at Grand Dieta and Dieaham said.

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Speaker 3: Risley Sandwich guy was not in diet I have some

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Speaker 3: of the details kind of interesting and says that Collins

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Speaker 3: and Robdella were in a crowd of protesters September twenty

451
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Speaker 3: seventh at a facility in Broadview, Illinois. In an affidavit,

452
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Speaker 3: authorities alleged that he had quote pushed back agents who

453
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Speaker 3: were trying to push back the crowd, and agents detained

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Speaker 3: her after seeing a gun in her waist. Collins, who

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Speaker 3: saw the struggle, charged forward, yelling an ages to get

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Speaker 3: away from his wife, and the thumb of an agent

457
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Speaker 3: was injured in the scuffle, according to the affidavit. They

458
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Speaker 3: said in an interview that she was coming to his

459
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Speaker 3: partner's aid after agents grabbed her and threw her against

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Speaker 3: the wall. Both defendants were legally carrying guns but did

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Speaker 3: not use or brandish them, and they said it was

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Speaker 3: notable that the grand jury likely had members on both

463
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Speaker 3: size of the political avide and still decided not to indict.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's just the circumstance here. I guess the

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Speaker 3: gun being one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hey, hey t A. You know it's good

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Speaker 1: for the you're alacked, good for our two. A community

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Speaker 1: in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Is obviously liberal, it's not as liberal as DC. So

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Speaker 2: to have a grand jury, chicagoy grand jury's melt. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to invite an indict these two individuals definitely significant.

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Speaker 2: People have also been taking a look at this. Let's

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Speaker 2: put se seven up on the screen. This images of

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Speaker 2: a pastor who's just standing there doing really nothing and

475
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Speaker 2: gets shot in the head with this, I guess, like

476
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Speaker 2: a pepper ball. You can see the white smoke come

477
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Speaker 2: up and then he drops to the ground. I don't

478
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Speaker 2: know if this is the same guy or a different

479
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Speaker 2: religious figure who's getting sprayed in the face with pepper spray.

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Speaker 4: Another image that went viral.

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Speaker 2: Tricia McLaughlin, DHS spokesperson, addressed that video that we showed

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Speaker 2: you first. You can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: She says that footage is from almost a month ago.

484
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Speaker 2: It just went by now, but apparently happened a month ago.

485
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Speaker 2: What this clip video doesn't show is that these agitators

486
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Speaker 2: were blocking ice vehicle from leaving the Federal facility impeding

487
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Speaker 2: operations over and over again.

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Speaker 4: Law enforcement ordered these.

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Speaker 2: Agitators to move up federal property so the vehicle could move.

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Speaker 2: Law enforcement verbally warned them they would use force if

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Speaker 2: they did not move and stop impeding operations.

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Speaker 4: They did not comply.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after, rioters began throwing rocks, bottles, and latching fireworks

494
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Speaker 2: at the law enforcement officers on the roof. So TLDR

495
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Speaker 2: is not denying that it happened. There is a longer

496
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Speaker 2: version of the video that I've seen does not appear

497
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Speaker 2: that this pastor was He was actually standing in a

498
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Speaker 2: parking space, so he wasn't blocking anyone from entering or exiting.

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Speaker 4: The ice facility.

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Speaker 2: But there's a separate lawsuit going on concerning their use

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Speaker 2: their sort of like indiscriminate use of these you know,

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Speaker 2: pepper balls and pepper spray on crowds. CPDA Chicago Police

503
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Speaker 2: Department was accidentally pepper spray. You had an elementary school

504
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Speaker 2: that had to stay inside because of pepper spray, you know,

505
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Speaker 2: sort of indiscriminately just deployed in the neighborhood. So this

506
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Speaker 2: is coming quite a contentious piece as well.

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Speaker 1: It's a bad image.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's you know, anytime you start to pepper

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Speaker 3: Sprain priests or it's not pretty sorry pastors, or.

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Speaker 1: Any of that doesn't look good. Not going to deny

511
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Speaker 1: it whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those which is the more that the

513
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Speaker 3: left gets their civil rights analogies, the more it's going

514
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Speaker 3: to be able to take off. And this is part

515
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Speaker 3: of the reason why there's a lot of people who

516
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Speaker 3: don't want on the right, who want to criticize some

517
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Speaker 3: of the way that Ice behaves. But I keep bringing

518
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Speaker 3: it back to the fact that people who voted in

519
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four wanted law and order, specifically order specifically

520
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Speaker 3: the border, and when deportation the envisionment of quote mass

521
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Speaker 3: deportation was not necessarily one of which we are viewing

522
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Speaker 3: right now. This is Trumpian and unique in a sense

523
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Speaker 3: that genuinely is divorced from a lot of people's conceptions.

524
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Speaker 3: You could say they should have known, etc. Actually I

525
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Speaker 3: really don't agree with that, actually at all, because if

526
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Speaker 3: you look specifically, not only the rhetoric around criminals, illegals,

527
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Speaker 3: et cetera, even around the idea of deportation itself, it

528
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Speaker 3: is one thing to say that it should happen in

529
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Speaker 3: a serious and well ordered fashion. And then it's another

530
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Speaker 3: kind of in this content brain area that we have

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Speaker 3: arrived at today. And I think that's the part where

532
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 3: a lot of people rightfully will look at that and

533
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: be like, look, I can agree intellectually, emotionally, morally with

534
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Speaker 3: the idea of mass deportation, which I do, especially for

535
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Speaker 3: people who arrived here illegally. I also do think there

536
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Speaker 3: is something very grotesque about like turning it into content,

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Speaker 3: as in what they did with the von clip. They

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Speaker 3: have this one as well, c ten can we show everybody?

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Speaker 3: For example, So here you have a video right where

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Speaker 3: you got Ice chasing some guys into a storefront. But

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Speaker 3: what's noteworthy is the guy in the background with a

542
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Speaker 3: full mounted you know what is that like? That's like

543
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Speaker 3: a DSLR camera right like this literally looks like almost

544
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Speaker 3: like a rig of a Twitch streamer or something.

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Speaker 1: Who is accompanying them? Now listen.

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Speaker 3: I am very supportive of bodycam footage and all that.

547
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Speaker 3: I think it's very important, you know, to keep cops accountable.

548
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Speaker 3: And I'm assuming some of this will be available to

549
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Speaker 3: FOIA eventually, at least sometime in the future, so it's

550
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Speaker 3: not a bad thing for them. To be documenting what

551
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Speaker 3: they are doing, but considering the social media strategy that

552
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Speaker 3: is now currently happening, I don't know. I mean, I

553
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: don't think it is working in their favor. Look, I

554
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Speaker 3: could be wrong, And this is why I hear you're

555
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Speaker 3: a squish, you're an idiot, You're you know, you're not

556
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Speaker 3: doing you don't understand you know, what it takes and

557
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Speaker 3: all that.

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Speaker 1: I said.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'm not the person who won the election

560
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Speaker 3: or anything like that, but I don't necessarily think that

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Speaker 3: even people who agree with genuine Look, I mean there's quandaries,

562
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Speaker 3: right Like you can you can accept the fact that

563
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Speaker 3: people who came here illegally are going to be deported

564
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Speaker 3: and you can be okay with that. There is just

565
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Speaker 3: to me another thing about filming it and turning it

566
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Speaker 3: into like video game style content or weren't remember the

567
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Speaker 3: memes that like the studio ghibli memes and.

568
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Speaker 1: Others that they were using from trade.

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Speaker 3: I go, okay, I just think that's I just think

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Speaker 3: that's a little bit gross in my opinion personally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just me.

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Speaker 9: That's It's like, is that really you know, it's just weird,

573
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Speaker 9: Like it's one of those where do we revel do

574
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Speaker 9: we enjoy doing this?

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Speaker 1: Because the way it was sold, it's like, look, it's

576
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Speaker 1: a tragedy. This is one that the left created.

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Speaker 3: I think that's correct, and yet you know, to seriously

578
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Speaker 3: address it.

579
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Speaker 1: We'll take this, this and this.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't deny that you have journalists or others people

581
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: are going to be filming this, But it just seems

582
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Speaker 3: to me very different to have you filming it yourself

583
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Speaker 3: turning it into me Like the Theovon thing to me

584
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: is just like so insane, Like they used his likeness

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Speaker 3: and image in a DHS video where what did he

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Speaker 3: say exactly? He was like by or something. He didn't

587
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Speaker 3: even know what he was saying. Somebody thrust a camera

588
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Speaker 3: or whatever into his face. They turned it into something

589
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Speaker 3: from the official Department of Homeland Security account and then

590
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Speaker 3: in his response he was like, yo, you guys just

591
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Speaker 3: using this. He's like, somebody could come and kill me.

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Speaker 3: He was like, I don't even know the ring password

593
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Speaker 3: to my camera or something. Yeah, he had never considered that, right.

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Speaker 3: I really that's where just.

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Speaker 2: Going about strategically, like if you accept and I do

596
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Speaker 2: accept that these guys, the Theophons, et cetera, were an

597
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: important part, not determinative, but important part of why they won,

598
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Speaker 2: and then have a tone death to go out of

599
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Speaker 2: your way to like piss this person off, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like as a human you would then

601
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Speaker 2: be sort of like incentivized to distance yourself, like I

602
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: have nothing to do, but like, this is not you know,

603
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Speaker 2: this is not something I support.

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Speaker 4: I think his dad.

605
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Speaker 2: Immigrated from Nicaragua, as somebody's very proud of, you know,

606
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Speaker 2: and so he's I don't want to be associated with this,

607
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: And so it is giving a little bit of like

608
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Speaker 2: the IDF soldiers filming their war crimes, because the reason

609
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Speaker 2: they did that was not it was because there was

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Speaker 2: a domestic audience for it, Like inside of Israel, these

611
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Speaker 2: guys were getting priced and getting support for, you know,

612
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Speaker 2: these these horrors that they're putting out there. And you know,

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Speaker 2: now I was seeing some stat soger that Twitter, which

614
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Speaker 2: used to be dominated by Democrats, now dominated by Republicans.

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Speaker 4: Not that would be any surprise, but I.

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Speaker 2: Do think that some of this is a result of

617
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Speaker 2: being inside of this media bubble where you think that

618
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Speaker 2: this you know, base this like based ritual or the

619
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Speaker 2: vice signaling or whatever, that this lands with the general

620
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: population in a way that it really doesn't. So you've

621
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Speaker 2: got that dynamic, The dynamic you were touching on before too,

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Speaker 2: I think is a really important one, which you are

623
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 2: absolutely right. People want things to feel safe, calm, orderly,

624
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Speaker 2: like they do want that law and order, since there's

625
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. And so what the Trump administration

626
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: is flirting with here, if not has already crossed the threshold,

627
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: is to make it appear very much like they are

628
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: the chaos agents, like they are the ones bringing tumult

629
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Speaker 2: into your communities. If you look at you, if you

630
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Speaker 2: look at Chicago, if you like, I think in Portland's,

631
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: it's even more clear. Crime rate was way down, these

632
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: protests had really died out. There were you know, maybe

633
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: a dozen or so people who were routinely outside of

634
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Speaker 2: the ice facility, et cetera.

635
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Speaker 4: Now you have all of.

636
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Speaker 2: This tumult after the Trump administration comes in and tries

637
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Speaker 2: to sort of like stoke the flames. So when you

638
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Speaker 2: combine that with also the increasing understanding that these actions

639
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: are not just impacting undocumented immigrants, they're impacting American citizens

640
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: as well, whose rights are being directly violated, you start

641
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: to get on the wrong side of a political equation.

642
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Speaker 4: As I told you.

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Speaker 2: Before, my fears that they don't really care. You feel

644
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Speaker 2: like they just have miscalculated here either I acknowledge as

645
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: completely possible. But you know, I don't think that these

646
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Speaker 2: what do I know? But I don't think that most people,

647
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Speaker 2: even people who are in favor of a larger scale

648
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Speaker 2: deportation than I am, are enjoying the images of like

649
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Speaker 2: little kids zip tied.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have no idea, and I can't speak to

652
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Speaker 3: everybody's motivation, only you know, general political analysis. To the

653
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Speaker 3: law and order point, this is one which is very

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Speaker 3: important and we kind of thought about one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons why I don't think there was as much backlash

656
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: on LA as you had guys in the Mexican flags

657
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: on top of burning cars and guess what, that's going

658
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Speaker 3: to go viral everywhere in terms of Portland or Chicago,

659
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: have not yet seen that type of imagery or large

660
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: scale blocking a highway in major response, similar to the

661
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Speaker 3: anti for the BLM protests of twenty seventeen all the

662
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: way through twenty twenty, which Portland in particular was like

663
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: an epicenter for quite a bit of that. Yeah, And also,

664
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Speaker 3: I mean one of the things I personally have had

665
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: to grapple with is that people who live in some

666
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: of these cities just accept a shitload more crime than

667
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: I ever would. I will never understand it. I don't

668
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: know why it's cool to have fentanyl leaning people everywhere,

669
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Speaker 3: but that seems to be the acceptance that a lot

670
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: of them want, and they would rather have that than

671
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Speaker 3: somebody actually do anything about it or feel virtuous.

672
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Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it's your city.

673
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: You can do what you want, but that is another

674
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: kind of locality where you're rubbing up against like here

675
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: in DC. I mean, I think the crime was out

676
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: of control. I think it was absolutely out of control.

677
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: Some new statistics just came out actually showing that the

678
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: cops were cooking the books. It's not a secret. I've

679
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: lived here for over ten years. It's shittle compared to

680
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: how it.

681
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: Used to be.

682
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: But residents or broadly seemed okay with it. I was like, okay,

683
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's why I left. I was like,

684
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: you know, at a certain point, you'd rather have a

685
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: Black trans Laves Matter flag than you would do anything

686
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: about crime. That's your decision and to allow murder. I'm

687
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: just gonna leave and allow exit. But that is another

688
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: thing I've been grappling with as well, is there is

689
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: something perverse at the same time, and we have to

690
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: be guilty of this.

691
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Speaker 1: Right as we're commenting on Portland, I don't live in Portland. Right.

692
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Speaker 3: In a certain sense, I believe in supremacy. I believe

693
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: in having to guarantee people's rights. I also, though acknowledged,

694
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: the city of Portland is massively liberal. They literally legalized

695
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: drugs there. I mean, they finally admitted their mistake in

696
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: the state of Oregon. But I visited Portland at the

697
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: height of it, like I think twenty twenty two.

698
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Speaker 1: It was insane.

699
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Speaker 4: It's alain hippyish city.

700
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but I'm talking about crime, lark like at night,

701
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: literal like rogue ventanyl addicts, like running around trying to

702
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: check into a hotel. You have to get buzzed into

703
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: the hotel, like you cannot get in. I'm the dock

704
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: in the middle of downtown. People there just didn't seemed

705
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: to care. I was like, Wow, I could never live

706
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: this way.

707
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Speaker 4: I think.

708
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Speaker 2: I mean, we should also say that this National Guard

709
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: attempting to have National Guard deployment in Portland and the

710
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: increased presence of federal agents and whatever. Like Trump is

711
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: not saying this is about crime. He's saying, this is

712
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: about protecting federal officer or protecting this ice.

713
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: Building, et cetera.

714
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Speaker 1: Well, it depends on the day.

715
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Speaker 2: But that's been the primary justification that he's been and

716
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: that is completely and totally fabricated, like by their own admission,

717
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: their own internal report said that the protests outside the

718
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: ice facility were low energy before they decided to show

719
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: up and put snipers on the roof and all of

720
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: this nonsense.

721
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Speaker 4: So I don't like to, you know, we should validate

722
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: their narrative.

723
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: About what's going on, because their narrative is completely and

724
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: utterly you know.

725
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: It's not nice.

726
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: Like listen, I love Portland as a place. It's cool

727
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: as amazing, whether in the summer, it is genuinely beautiful.

728
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: But they do just again, I don't get it, Seattle, Vancouver,

729
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: any of these like Pacific Northwest places, they just accept

730
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: like a level of drug use in public, which I

731
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: think is crazy. I have no idea why people put

732
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 3: up with it or any of that. And then of course,

733
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: what the Trump administration, even the federal government wants is

734
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: people like me or others who don't live there, who

735
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: are like, I can't believe this right, and then that

736
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: kind of interacts with the National Guard, point etc. I

737
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: do think that there is something weird about it, like

738
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: in general, where we pass judgment, and I do certainly.

739
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: I just said it about Portland, about San Francisco, about

740
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. I think all are crazy here in DC, Chicago,

741
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: all these other folks.

742
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

743
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: I would not personally live there given the choice, But

744
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: at the same time, there is something weird, which I

745
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: do acknowledge, because I'm sure that they look at our life,

746
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 3: say wherever we live, and they're like, well, I wouldn't

747
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: want to live there either, And it's like, well, I

748
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: don't necessarily want them to pose their will on me too.

749
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: I don't want them to have to come in to

750
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: the extent that I have a lot of let's say pushback.

751
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: Is when I see that type of BS mentality start

752
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: to bl eat into let's say the suburbs, that's where

753
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, it's time to riot. So I do

754
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: get it from their perspective, and I want to validate

755
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: their feelings like, yes, you do also get to kind

756
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: of live the way that you want to, like if

757
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: you want to live in a city with a shitload

758
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: of crime and fentanyl. And I mean, Okay, I don't

759
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: know what to say. I guess it's I guess it's

760
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: your choice. It's just one that you it's it's a

761
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: permissiveness and a value structure which you've created all for yourselves.

762
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: I think you, I guess you deserve it. I don't

763
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: know what else to say.

764
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there, I think you would understand

765
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: some of it in the context of the conversations we've

766
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: had about safetyism, like where there's you know, I think

767
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: we're seeing right now in real time with these extraordinary

768
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: federal government actions in Chicago and Portland other places, that

769
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: there's a trade off on the other side totally of that.

770
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: You know, So there are it's you know, you have

771
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: this sense of fear, this sense of surveillance, this you know,

772
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: this lawless is coming from the federal government, and sense

773
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: of chaos being stoked by them when you do have

774
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: those sorts of crackdowns. So I think, you know, in

775
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: real time, we're seeing what those trade offs kind of

776
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: look like.

777
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: I think again.

778
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: I think it's totally fair. People get to, at the

779
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: end of the day, get side for themselves. Like here

780
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: in DC. It was very clear to me. I was like,

781
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: these people do not care how I do about crime.

782
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm the problem. I guess you know, I don't. I

783
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have the right to just say the city

784
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: should be the way I am. So sometimes you just

785
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: got to do the responsible thing and leave. But if

786
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: you want to stay and that's the way that you

787
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 3: want to live, I also have believe in the American

788
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: value of like, well maybe you should be able to

789
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: live that way, right, Like, if that's how you want

790
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: it to be, so be it. And people citizens can

791
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: make up their rights their minds for themselves. Turning now

792
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: to the Pacific Palisades fire, so obviously devastating fire that.

793
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: Happened in January. We covered quite a bit of it here.

794
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: It was horrible, people lost their lives, just billions of

795
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 3: dollars in property damage, and so much just about FEMA

796
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 3: and just the general response to that.

797
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: And whether people would be able to rebuild.

798
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: We are now learning the Department of Justice is alleging

799
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: that it was actually an intentional act of arson. And

800
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: one that was deeply planned using apparently chat GPT style images,

801
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: with some evidence that they were able to show you

802
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: of an Uber driver who allegedly took part in this.

803
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what they say.

804
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 10: The Palisades Fire, reported on January seventh, was caused by

805
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 10: an intentionally set fire near a viewpoint along the Tamescal

806
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 10: Ridge Trail in Topegna State Park on January first. The

807
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 10: fire was a holdover fire, meaning it was deeply seated

808
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 10: in dense vegetation and roots and continued to burn undetected

809
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 10: until catastrophic weather ensued, resulting in the Palisades Fire.

810
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: So this is including the images. Let's put this up here,

811
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: guys on the screen. This is from the acting US Attorney.

812
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: He says, today we are announcing the arrest of twenty

813
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: nine year old Jonathan Rindernacked on a criminal complaint charging

814
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: him with maliciously starting what became the Palisades Fire in January.

815
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: The complaint alleges that Render Connect started a fire in

816
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: the Pacific Policies on New Year's Day, a blaze that

817
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: eventually turned in one of the most destructive fires in

818
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: Los Angeles history, causing death and widespread destruction. Among the

819
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: evidence that was collected from his digital devices was an

820
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: image that he generated on chatchpt depicting a burning city.

821
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Speaker 3: While he cannot undo the damage and destruction that was done,

822
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: we hope his arrest and the charges against him bring

823
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 3: some measure of justice to the victims of this horrible tragedy.

824
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: His initial appearance is scheduled in the US District Court

825
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: in Orlando, where apparently he was. So some of the

826
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: details D three police that we can put and share

827
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Speaker 3: with all of you. Like I said, is working as

828
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: an uber driver and was quote obsessed with images of

829
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: fire is how they characterize it. And so I guess

830
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 3: this is like a thing. They call them firebugs, Yeah, pyromaniacs.

831
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: They say he's accused them maliciously spark in the brush

832
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: fire January first. The fire was then knocked down by

833
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: the LA Fire Department, but obviously continued to smolder before

834
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: high winds and rekindled it. They said it left twelve

835
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: people dead, seven thou and Holmes one hundred and fifty

836
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: billion dollars in property damage. They say he lived in

837
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: the area at some point quote allegedly ignited the flames

838
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: near a popular hiking trail at about midnight time on

839
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: New Year's Day, just moments after dropping Uber passengers off nearby.

840
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: They later said that he quote appeared agitated and angry

841
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: after arriving at the hiking trail. He allegedly filmed the

842
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: scene on his phone and listened to a rap song

843
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: by a French artist whose music video features him setting

844
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: a series of fires. The Google record showed that he

845
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: was born in France, apparently had listened to that song

846
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 3: multiple times in the music video four times leading up

847
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: to the day of the fire, and had translated the

848
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: lyrics from that song that something says like daily life

849
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: is killing me.

850
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm nowhere. There's too much bitterness in

851
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: my head.

852
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: I think about the mistakes that we made, and they

853
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: say at another point in the music video, it actually

854
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: shows a burning barrel outside of a housing project that

855
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: eventually becomes a huge inferno. They say he watched his

856
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: fire burn for a minute before fleeing down the trail,

857
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: where he made a three minute video recording of himself

858
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: attempting to call nine to one one to report the blaze.

859
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: As he was on the phone to dispatchers, he typed,

860
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: are you at fault if a fire is lit because

861
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: of your cigarettes into chat GPT, which was also featured

862
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: apparently in the screen recording that he was trying to

863
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: make there, so creating an alibi, I think where he

864
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: was like, I'm calling nine one one and am I

865
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: at fault for it because it was a cigarette? Like

866
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: trying to play it off as a cigarette. We're not

867
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: exactly sure. He then said, they drove away from the scene,

868
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: turned around to follow the responding fire trucks back to

869
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: the scene, where he watched and recorded videos as the

870
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: crew battled the inferno. And eventually all of this comes

871
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: to light now after I guess prosecutors were able to

872
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: zero in with the uber message with the nine to

873
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: one to one w records the arson investigation, I mean

874
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: it's totally crazy. I mean, killed so many people, caused

875
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 3: so much DAMA And yeah, I genuinely was not aware

876
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: that this was a thing, that there are just freaks

877
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: out there who liked set fires, like creating yesterday.

878
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: I'd never even heard of it.

879
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: So most arson is not set by pyramaniacs. It's like

880
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: people who are you know, looking for insurance funds or

881
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: for revenge or whatever. But this certainly bears the hallmark

882
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: of someone who's like obsessed with fire. And there's even

883
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: people who get like sexual gratification from fire watching fire,

884
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know if he is one of

885
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 2: those people, but it certainly bears the hallmarks of someone

886
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: who has like a twisted obsession with fire. Listening to

887
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: this video of this music video, watching it over and over,

888
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: he was watching other videos about fires, even him like

889
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: recording himself with the fire in the you know, in

890
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: the background, and generating these images on chat, GPT, et cetera.

891
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: And we also should say, I mean based listen, I'm

892
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: reading a lot into like the lyrics of the song

893
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: that talk about almost yeah, this is always et cetera.

894
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: But you know, it could be kind of like have

895
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: some similarities to some of the nihilist killings that we've

896
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: talked about. And people did get killed here, by the way,

897
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: twelve people were dead as a result of these blazes

898
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: and thousands of homes destroyed. California was I don't know

899
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: if you guys remember, like it was horrible. California was

900
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: a tinderbox and it wasn't it was. This fire was

901
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: the largest one. There were others burning as well, you

902
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: had the Santa Anna winds that were extraordinary eighty miles

903
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: per hour that made this thing spread just so rapidly

904
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: and like crazy, absolutely sick and horrific thing to have done.

905
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: And it really was kind of like a perfect so

906
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: the vegetation was very dry. Well, I mean, it was

907
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: just like a perfect storm for this to end up

908
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: being one of the worst and deadliest blazes in California history.

909
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, it was really awful.

910
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: We just wanted to make sure we gave everybody an

911
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: update just because I mean, there's nothing really political, I

912
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: guess to say about it.

913
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: We don't know very much exactly.

914
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: Everybody immediately Randa, what's the social media and who's the post?

915
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: Says he was a Biden so he gave he.

916
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: Gave two dollars to Joe Biden. Yeah, he gave two

917
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: dollars one dollar and then another one dollar on another day.

918
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: Well, for full transparency to the audience, I have a

919
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: parlay bet with our producer Mac on whether this gentleman

920
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: and Mark Sanchez both had marijuana involved.

921
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: In the case.

922
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: So looking forward to the toxicology report on both of

923
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: those cases, and he does owe me fifty bucks if

924
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: it does come to pass.

925
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that's putting him up.

926
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: I ever know that.

927
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: What do you mean they'll come out in the criminal

928
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: he said, cigarettes there right, you think it's a real

929
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: cigarette or marijuana cigarette.

930
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm just just wait. We'll wait and see.

931
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: I'll let you be the I will let you be

932
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: the person who looks and can validate the debt or

933
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 3: the debt.

934
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: I'll be the Joe.

935
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: And for Mark Sanchez, we're calling for a full release

936
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: of the toxicology report. Yeah, full full scale release in

937
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: order to settle this wager between two gentlemen.

938
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 6: Here.

939
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: Another thing he came back he did, which added to

940
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: the him being a suspect, was he came back to

941
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: watch Oh yeah, I.

942
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: Read it was fight is also yeah, sometimes I just

943
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: get creeped out that people.

944
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: Like this I know are alive, and I think it's just.

945
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: In our society.

946
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: Very natural response.

947
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to gold. Turning now to gold. This

948
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 3: is really crazy. Let's go and put this up here

949
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: on the screen. Gold has now pushed above four thousand

950
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: dollars an ounce for the very first time. In general,

951
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: when people are fleeing to gold, things usually aren't good.

952
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: So let's just go out and look into it a

953
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: little bit. I love the lead here from the New

954
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: York Times. President Trump's decorators aren't the only ones bringing

955
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: gold back into fashion, they say, investors, money managers central

956
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: banks across the world have piled into gold. On Tuesday,

957
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 3: pushes price above four thousand dollars an ounce. The precious

958
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 3: metal has gained more than fifty percent this year, setting

959
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: a series of records in the process. Gold often seem

960
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 3: as a haven during times of turmoil, is on course

961
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: for its best year since nineteen seventy nine, after one

962
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: hundred percent surge during a period of high inflation, at

963
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: depreciating dollar, and a geopolitical crisis in the Middle East.

964
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: G anyone reminded me of any of those circumstances right now, it's,

965
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 3: you know, a little weird, they say. The recent rise

966
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: in gold is due to demand from investors looking to

967
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: shift away from US assets at a time of political

968
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: upheaval and uncertainty, highlighted right now by the government shutdown.

969
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: The gold rally also reflects a strong undercurrent of unease

970
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: amongst investors, even as stocks have repeatedly set records, giving

971
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: Wall Street a bullish air, So can we go and

972
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: put the next one up here, because that actually is

973
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 3: one of the things I wanted to highlight, is this

974
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: is about eroding faith in all international financial institutions. So

975
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: they specifically say that it is an eroding faith in

976
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: central banks worldwide and in general. They talk about how

977
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: on Saturday Japan got a new prime minister. On Tuesday

978
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: gold top four thousand. They say it's not a coincidence.

979
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: The surprise nominee to lead the party is a fiscal

980
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: and a monetary dove. She wants much more economic stimulus,

981
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: and thus that means that there was a big run

982
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: on gold from the Japanese. So there's a lot of

983
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: different energies around the world which are pushing people towards gold.

984
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: But I think America and it's general like the shutdown,

985
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 3: the tariffs, even the Wall Street thing that they mentioned there,

986
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: that is all part of the picture, at least for me,

987
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: because I think it's important to say the S and

988
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: P five hundred is like it's either at an all

989
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: time high or very near in our time high. We

990
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: talked about the AI bubble on our Tuesday show or

991
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: potential bubble, and maybe it's dot com forty percent of

992
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: a GDP spending is from AI eighty percent of gains

993
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 3: or all from AI stocks. So a logical investor looking

994
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: at that could either say, oh, I'm going to go

995
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: into cash or into gold because I think it's a bubble.

996
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: So if a gold is rising, that shows that even

997
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: though a lot of people who are buying the S

998
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: and P five hundred US equities and all that they

999
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: no longer see that as safe as a usual investment

1000
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 3: and they're buying gold. So usually, as we said previously

1001
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: from nineteen seventy nine, it's correlated with lack of faith

1002
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: in the government. And then at the same time they

1003
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: talked about the European central banks, about the Ukraine crisis

1004
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: out Japan, there is an anti institutional financial moment across

1005
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: the world which is pouring people generally into gold. So overall,

1006
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: very fascinating sociological development.

1007
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, for what it means.

1008
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: Well, so typically if gold is rising, everything else is falling. Right,

1009
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: stock market is class and so the fact that you

1010
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: have stock market at all time high and you have

1011
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: gold at all time highs is why people are going

1012
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: this is really really weird.

1013
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: So what's going on here?

1014
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: And a lot of what's going on is Number one,

1015
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: people are very nervous about potential AI bubble, so they

1016
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: want to have some sort of hedge against what happens

1017
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: if my massive AI bets go belly up. And number two, normally,

1018
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: in a normal environment over the post World War two era,

1019
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: when you have investor nervousness, one of the flights to

1020
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 2: safety is US treasuries. US treasuries, US dollars no longer

1021
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: feel so safe.

1022
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 4: We have i mean.

1023
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: Government shut down, Trump tumult like very high debt and

1024
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: deficit like all kinds you know, political case Like there's

1025
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: this sense and you know with the tariffs and the

1026
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: Dojing and all of this that, yeah, I don't.

1027
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: Know if the US is really.

1028
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: The place that I want to place my bets either

1029
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: in terms of safety. And in fact, you know, we

1030
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: had a credit downgrade, so this is like backed by

1031
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: the gratings institutions whatever. So instead of the US treasuries

1032
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: being the classic flight to safety, instead many are going

1033
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: to precious metals and specifically gold. So those are kind

1034
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: of the underlying dynamics here. And it's not just the US.

1035
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: There's also you know, since other central banks are maybe

1036
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: you know, not on as firm footing as they should be,

1037
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: but a lot of it has to do with a

1038
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: loss of faith in the United.

1039
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: States bingo and also with AI. So let's go and

1040
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: go to the next one here. I thought this was

1041
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: really interesting and fits with the gold story. Bank of

1042
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: England has now warned of growing risk that the AI

1043
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: bubble could burst. They say a possibility of sharp market

1044
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: correction has increased. From the Bank's Financial Policy Committee, they're

1045
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: warning of a sudden correction in all global markets, specifically

1046
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: about the storing valuations of AI tech companies. Policymakers said

1047
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 3: there are threats of quote sharp repricing of US dollar

1048
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 3: assets if the Federal Reserve lost credibility in the eyes

1049
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: of all global investors as quote Trump continues to attack

1050
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: the US Central Bank and threaten its independence. Continued hype

1051
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: and optimism about the potential for AI technology has led

1052
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: to a rise in valuations in recent months.

1053
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: All the stuff that we have talked about.

1054
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: However, the Bank of England said the risk of a

1055
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: sharp market correction is increased on a number of measures.

1056
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: Equity market valuations appear stretched, particularly for technology companies focused

1057
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 3: on artificial intelligence. This leaves equity markets particularly exposed, should

1058
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: expectations about the impact of AI become less optimistic. It

1059
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: says investors are not fully accounting for these potential risks,

1060
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: warning that a sudden correction should any of them crystallize,

1061
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 3: resulting in finance drying up for households and businesses. They say,

1062
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: as an open economy with global financial center, the risk

1063
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: of spillovers to the UK financial system from such global

1064
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 3: shocks is material, so I think that's important for them.

1065
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: It also shows you, as you just said, usually you

1066
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: pile into gold when the market's already crashing.

1067
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: What if people are pying in a gold because.

1068
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: They expect the market to crash and there are a

1069
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: lot of sophisticated investors I was just reading. Let's put

1070
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: this next one please up on the screen, just to

1071
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: show you all there is some financialization that is behind this.

1072
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: It's not just normal investors that are doing this. It's

1073
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: specifically investors worried about the future of the dollar and

1074
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 3: other major currencies are piling into gold, bitcoin and all

1075
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: other alternative assets powering on Wall Street what is known

1076
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: as the debasement trade. Traders have snapped up gold since

1077
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 3: your own pile signal in August they would begun cutting

1078
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: interest rates. Actively traded gold futures surpass that four thousand dollars.

1079
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: The gold rally is unusual because it hasn't been fueled

1080
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 3: by financial meltdown.

1081
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: They say.

1082
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: Investors are pouring their money and specifically to do this

1083
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: at the same time that President Trump is pledged to

1084
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: juice the economy through tax cuts and traders they have

1085
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 3: push stocks to records with a fervor for all things

1086
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence, and that some of this is a little

1087
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: bit of a hedge against the S and P five

1088
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: hundred from AI, and the gold camp is saying, we're

1089
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 3: going to have structural deficits. We have fiscal pressure in

1090
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: the US, and I need to manage that risk. So anyway,

1091
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: I just want to keep everybody updated. And gold goes

1092
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: this high, I don't know, it's not not usually a

1093
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: good sign.

1094
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: Not usually.

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00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: I guess it's a good sign for some of the

1096
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 3: boomers who bought it from podcast advertising.

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00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go.

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00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: Congratulations to them and all the other gold coins that

1099
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 3: they've been advertising on Fox News for decades.

1100
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 4: All right, shold we get to get it's finally paying off.

1101
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: It's fine, Well, only if they sell only if they sell,

1102
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: maybe you shouldn't sell, right, you.

1103
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 4: Know what could go higher?

1104
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: I mean I think the expectation is just going to continue.

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00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: To close us. My quide.

1106
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: If you buy physical gold and then you sell it,

1107
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: is it capital gains tax?

1108
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: Or is it like what type of income is that? Right?

1109
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: Is an investment income like when you sell a stock

1110
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 3: that anyway? Yeah, I gotta I gotta look into this.

1111
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 4: From the text that means, yeah, I think that would

1112
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 4: be capital game.

1113
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: It would, right, because it's an investment or Yeah, I

1114
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: don't know.

1115
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I need to look into that.

1116
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: I mean anything that you buy anything art wine goal right,

1117
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: because house you buy and hold and then sell for

1118
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: a profit, that's capital games.

1119
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I didn't know.

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00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: I used to be a CPA. Guys. I took the

1121
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 4: test and pass it.

1122
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: Well, we relied on our knowledge as our empire grows.

1123
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: All right, Let's get to Gates.

1124
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: Former Congressman Matt Gates in an appearance on Tim Poole's podcast,

1125
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: making some interesting revelations about his experience with a PAC.

1126
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: Let's take aism.

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00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 8: I remember my first A pack reception, and like your

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00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 8: fundraiser tells you, you have to go and your chief

1129
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 8: of staff tells you have to go. Your committee chairman,

1130
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 8: I'll tell you have to go, and you get there

1131
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 8: and you wear this name badge and I remember there's

1132
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 8: a QR code on it. And what we were supposed

1133
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 8: to do was go talk to donors and then if

1134
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 8: they liked you, they scanned your QR code to make

1135
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 8: a donation, like on the spot. And so can you

1136
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 8: just imagine how demoralizing that is to like be toll

1137
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 8: that your job for the next several hours to go

1138
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 8: chat people up hoping they would scan you like a

1139
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 8: can of tomato soup on the way out of the meeting.

1140
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm literally purchasing.

1141
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 8: Right, And so I saw that and I was like, wow,

1142
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 8: that is so freaking weird.

1143
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: Literally making a choice on the spot whether or not

1144
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: they're going to buy this.

1145
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 4: Congressman. I mean, it's just like, and to be honest

1146
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 4: with you, this.

1147
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: Is not really any different from the way that other

1148
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: fundraising works. I mean, I ran for congress, right, I've

1149
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: been to these events where you go and you try

1150
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: to meet a network with donors who typically give in

1151
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: my case, to Democratic candidates.

1152
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: You're schmoozing.

1153
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: There's a whole dance around, la, let me get your information.

1154
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: That means so I can call you later and beg

1155
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: you for dollars. They just cut right to the chase,

1156
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: like we're just You're just gonna wear a QR code

1157
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: and then if I like what you have to say,

1158
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: which with regard to APAC would be Israel now, Israel forever,

1159
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: you can genicide whoever you want.

1160
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: We don't care.

1161
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: We'll back you up even when it's completely unreasonable. As

1162
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: long as you're willing to say those words, then they'll

1163
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: scan your QR code and give you some dollars right

1164
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: there on the spot.

1165
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 4: It got this down to a science saga.

1166
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: Well, according to a PAK, the QR code is for

1167
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 3: security purposes only, and that it is false.

1168
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: They say. They say that.

1169
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 4: They have what do you mean for security purposes?

1170
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: No, in terms of listen, I'm I'm simply have.

1171
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: You already had your own personal QR code to feel secure?

1172
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I should? Maybe I should?

1173
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: They say that they include a pack security Yes, they say.

1174
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: The accusation about fundraisers is of course a live Barcodes

1175
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: are on the name badges for security reasons, not fundraising.

1176
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: They are scanned for that purpose. Maybe Matt Gates was

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00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: confused because he wanted people to scan his barcode and

1178
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: they didn't want to talk to.

1179
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you got there, Niland, thank you cover

1180
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: our bases here.

1181
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1182
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: Matt Gates's response is idka pac, I read something in

1183
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 3: the history books that putting codes on people was really bad.

1184
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: Who Okay, wow, he went there, he went there.

1185
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 4: He did.

1186
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the thing is is that it's in general,

1187
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: it's like you described and this it gets to the

1188
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: whole APAC conversation and everyone's like, they should register as

1189
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: a foreign agent.

1190
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: And I mostly agree with that.

1191
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 3: But part of the problem is that in some ways

1192
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: the APAC defenders are correct only in that they're like,

1193
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 3: what are you talking about?

1194
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: It's all American.

1195
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: Citizens, and you're like, yeah, that is the issue that

1196
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: we kind of have to grapple with the foreign The

1197
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: foreign registration thing almost belies the point of there is

1198
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: an entire connected political network, yes, of US citizens who

1199
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 3: exist solely for the purpose or at least in this case,

1200
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 3: to preserve the so called US Israel alliance, which is

1201
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: tremendously impactful at the political level. I think that that

1202
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: does genuinely amount to some level of foreign interference or something.

1203
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: But it's a more sociological question of like, this is

1204
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: so crazy about you know, the ability. You know, there's

1205
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: all these billionaires people like Shape, the Adolesen family and

1206
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: others who have said things in public like I wish

1207
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: I'd served in the IDF.

1208
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: Rather than the US Army.

1209
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: And you're like, dude, like this is such an ain

1210
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: thing to say, right, and to use your political influence

1211
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: another that specifically on behalf of a foreign nation.

1212
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: How do we draw that line?

1213
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 3: Like, in my opinion, issue we should update probably the

1214
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: legislation to say that if you're overtly going to push

1215
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 3: another person's another country's agenda, even if you are a

1216
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 3: US citizen, that is going to have to qualify in

1217
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: some way as far even if it's a foreign dollar.

1218
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: Very very difficult to withdraw that lot, very difficult. I mean,

1219
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: the truth of the.

1220
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: Matter is that, look, they're able to exploit our wide open,

1221
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: wild west campaign finance system where you know, anyone can

1222
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: be bought for any price at any time, and there's

1223
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: very little limits on that. And by the way, David Start,

1224
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: a flag from the Supreme Court has taken up a

1225
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: case that's going to if you thought there were already

1226
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: no campaign contribution limits, that could even more decimate the

1227
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: ability to regulate big money in politics whatsoever. And so look,

1228
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: the Israelis, I mean nan yang is literally like from Philadelphia.

1229
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: So they understand our politics, they understand our political system,

1230
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: they know where the loopholes are, they know how to

1231
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: gain influence, and they have done so extremely extremely effectively.

1232
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: They have over the years convinced an entire religious group

1233
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: that they're the way for them to serve God is

1234
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: by you know, allowing the Israelis to do whatever they want,

1235
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: for us to send billions of dollars every year to them,

1236
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: to you know, to buy weapons and subjugate an entire

1237
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: different group of people. So they have wielded that influence

1238
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: extraordinarily effectively. And so you know, I don't know, we'll

1239
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: take APAC's word for it that it wasn't exactly as

1240
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: Matt Gates described, but there's no doubt that they have

1241
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: the most organized ability and the most persistent ability to

1242
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: get not just to politicians, but to media personalities. We're

1243
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: about to talk about this next story to anyone who

1244
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: has influenced I told before my own story as soon

1245
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: as I got hired as a host at MSNBC while

1246
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 2: and behold, Apac wants to take me on a trip

1247
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: to Israel.

1248
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: Did not take them up on that.

1249
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: Jabal Bowman told his story about when he's running for Congress.

1250
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: They went through all sorts of channels to make sure

1251
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: they could get a meeting with him, because he initially

1252
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: said no, I don't want to sit down with Apak.

1253
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: So they went through this well respected organization like Uplifting

1254
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: Black Men in New York City that he'd been involved

1255
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: with before. They use them as a conduit to be

1256
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: able to get their meeting and get in his ear.

1257
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: Very persistent, and they have lots of money to spend. Apparently,

1258
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: let's put this next piece up on the screen. So

1259
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: they hatched a plan to try to hire celebrities like

1260
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: Chris Pratt and Steph Curry. A newly created firm. This

1261
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: is a responsible state craft. By the way, they've been

1262
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: doing some really good reporting and this gentleman in particular

1263
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: at Nick Cleveland stout we'll have to get him on

1264
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: the show sometime. But anyway, he writes, A newly created

1265
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: firm called show Faith by Works is carrying out a

1266
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: three point two million dollar outreach and digital targeting campaign

1267
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: to Christian churches in the Western US on behalf of

1268
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: the Israeli government. Firm's goal, as described and its filing

1269
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: under Farah is to increase positive associations with the Nation

1270
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: of Israel. They're going to carry out that campaign through

1271
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: December for its work, which includes targeting churchgoers with pro

1272
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: Israel ads, geo fencing major churches, meaning that they're going

1273
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: to like, if they see your cell phone number in

1274
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: the area of this megachurch, they're going to target you

1275
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: directly using geo fencing, hiring celebrity spokespeople. That's where the

1276
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: Steph Curries and John Voyd and Chris Pratt and Tim

1277
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: Tebow and others come in and visiting churches and colleges

1278
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: with a mobile trailer called the ten seven Experience on

1279
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: behalf of the Government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnaho.

1280
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: This of course will come as no surprise because he

1281
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: talked publicly about how, you know, one of the fronts

1282
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: in the war is the what was it, the seventh Front,

1283
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: the Eighth Front? I came the lost track was this

1284
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: information war. He talked about how important the purchase of

1285
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: TikTok by Zionist Allies was going to be and the

1286
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: amount of censorship that they'd be able to put into

1287
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: place there. Talked about Elon being an ally and being

1288
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: able to, you know, shape the conversation on Twitter as well.

1289
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: So they are very very intentional about what they're doing

1290
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: with all of this.

1291
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, is reading it is just so crazy, but it

1292
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: all makes sense, right, is that it's a three point

1293
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: two million dollar outreach digital marketing thing.

1294
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: By the way, we're talking about this, it actually was.

1295
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: This is so what's crazy about Pharah.

1296
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: They actually have to admit this stuff in the documents,

1297
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: so they're like, yeah, that was an early They contacted him.

1298
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: He didn't deny that the plan was to hire or

1299
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 3: try to hire some celebrities. Yeah, he said it was

1300
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: an early planning document. He's like, but we haven't followed

1301
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: through or contacted any of them just yet.

1302
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: But it doesn't be clear.

1303
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: There's no indications that any of these particular people have

1304
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: received these funds.

1305
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 4: This was just like their target list of people.

1306
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they say, John, all the actors and other famous

1307
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: people that you just listed. They say specifically that the

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Speaker 3: plan of initial planning document was to contact them. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: can we just sit with three point two million dollars

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Speaker 3: like this is so much money specifically for some geofenceitting

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Speaker 3: targeting Christian church campaign. But it also fits a lot

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Speaker 3: with the political strategy that we talked about here, which

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Speaker 3: is going after the evangelicals, the megachurch pastors who become

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Speaker 3: like the biggest pushers of the Kufi movement, the Christians

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Speaker 3: United for Israel. They lead, like Mike Huckabee, a lot

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Speaker 3: of those end time strips to Israel for a lot

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Speaker 3: of the tourism groups. I mean, remember one of the

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Speaker 3: few times that Huckabee criticized Israel was because they were

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Speaker 3: holding up the visas for a lot of those evangelical

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Speaker 3: groups who were visiting anyway. I mean, it is the

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Speaker 3: bedrock of the US Israel Alliance in terms of the

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Speaker 3: last bastion of like genuinely very popular support. That's where

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Speaker 3: it all comes from right there, And so it's not

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Speaker 3: a surprise that this is where most of the pushback

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Speaker 3: or or most of the energy is going to be

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Speaker 3: in terms of their presence.

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Speaker 2: Is really the last group. They've got a strong grip

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Speaker 2: on one dred percent. So they got to hold on tight.

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Speaker 2: And it just so happens that they're really important group.

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Speaker 2: They're President Trump's most rock solid constituency in terms of

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Speaker 2: his support, So they're a very important group, and they

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Speaker 2: want to make sure that they don't start to drift

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Speaker 2: away the way that most of the rest.

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Speaker 4: Of the population.

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Speaker 1: With the congressman.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is why it matters for Gates and

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Speaker 3: all these other people to speak out because those people,

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about if you're a congressman, you have

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Speaker 3: to go to the groups or you know, just to

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Speaker 3: go speak in general at different places. Who are you

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Speaker 3: most likely to speak to retirement homes, churches or like,

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Speaker 3: you know, religiously inspired nonprofit whatever. Well, these are exactly

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Speaker 3: the type of folks who would be involved in that.

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Speaker 3: And so at a demographic level, that's where they feel

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Speaker 3: so much pressure, often from the people who visit their office,

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Speaker 3: their compastors and others who are prominent.

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Speaker 1: You know, they have a flow. Isn't that what they

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Speaker 1: call it? A flock or something. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: have a large.

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Speaker 3: Group of people that are like, oh, well, my flock

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Speaker 3: is very supportive of Israel, right, So you could just

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Speaker 3: see how this whole pressure campaign on them, which is

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Speaker 3: so organized and ingrained in Republican politics, becomes so influential,

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Speaker 3: and it's noteworthy that Gates can only say any of

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Speaker 3: this whenever he's out of office. Yeah, that's the most important.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder what you were saying at

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Speaker 2: the time to get your little uh who a scan

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Speaker 2: at the moment.

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Speaker 3: He was usually anti Neocon. I covered him since twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I can't recall an instance where he was over like

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Speaker 3: pro war with Iran.

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Speaker 2: Or Yeah, but any of us in that room at

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Speaker 2: the APEX Frazer getting his code scanned, he was saying something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like, there's got to be something that

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Speaker 3: is going on. But look, nonetheless, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the disclosure now, yes.

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Speaker 3: Thanks as well as remember his previous story about how

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Speaker 3: he was in Israel or he was on a trip

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Speaker 3: I think, right, and somebody he found someone in.

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Speaker 1: His hotel room. Creepy.

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Speaker 3: All right, Okay, guys, thank you so much for watching.

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Speaker 3: Great Friday show for everybody tomorrow. We'll see you later.