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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and what could be

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Speaker 1: stuff I never told you protection, iHeart radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome.

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Speaker 3: We're doing another Monday Money and we were visiting something

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Speaker 3: we just talked about on your Happy Hour. But we're

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Speaker 3: not exactly talking about that, because we were talking about

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Speaker 3: why do conservative women really like Mama and Mia? But

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Speaker 3: I'm also talking about the reaction of what is it

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Speaker 3: about watching embarrassing things with people? I can't do it?

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Speaker 3: It feels so painful. And my experience with watching mam

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Speaker 3: and Mia next to my very conservative older brother and

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Speaker 3: my very conservative mother was painful. Hey, does it kind

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Speaker 3: of kind of had this moment of like, I know

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Speaker 3: we've all talked about it. There's a classic episode on

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Speaker 3: Scrubs where the main character is watching Basic Instinct with

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Speaker 3: his grandmother, Yeah, and him like balled up in the corner,

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Speaker 3: dying inside.

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Speaker 2: And I think we've all had that moment.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's just like a regular trope that

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Speaker 3: happens on especially like coming of age things. But as

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Speaker 3: an adult, I still have this moment.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, you do.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have it too, but not to the

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Speaker 1: extent you do you Like we've heard you in like

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Speaker 1: sex and the city episodes be like the normally fast

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Speaker 1: forward through this part, You've got all these like beats

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Speaker 4: Well, it's true.

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Speaker 3: I just literally like so, I again, I really love

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Speaker 3: k dramas right now, and it's probably in the most

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Speaker 3: tame of all of the other things that I've ever watched.

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Speaker 2: Because again we talked.

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Speaker 3: About Bridgerton and all that, but for some reason, these things,

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Speaker 3: these linking looking kissing scenes when my partner walks in,

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Speaker 3: I shrivel and die inside a little bit, like there's

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Speaker 3: a little bit of shame. I'm like, please don't watch

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Speaker 3: this with me. And it's not because necessarily like it's

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Speaker 3: a bad scene or like.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I don't know. There's this level of me

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Speaker 3: The mom of me experience having and my mom the

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Speaker 3: first thing she said, because I was like, why are

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Speaker 3: high schoolers doing this play? And she said to me

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Speaker 3: like they they tamed it down a lot, because I've

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Speaker 3: never seen the original. I care nothing about Abba. No,

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Speaker 3: I do not care. Don't care about the newer musicals.

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Speaker 3: I'm one less fan of the old school musicals where

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Speaker 3: it's supposed to be cheesy. I'm cool with, but like

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Speaker 3: this was one of the newer musicals, right. Having to

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Speaker 3: sit there while my niece is cracking a joke about

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Speaker 3: having slept with three different men and not knowing who

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Speaker 2: Was painful.

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Speaker 3: I think at one point I looked over to my

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Speaker 3: brother and he literally was gripping his thighs because he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that is definitely a whole added

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Speaker 1: layer because then it's your you know, young family member

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Speaker 1: having these conversations, and you want to support her, but

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Speaker 3: Her, Yes, I know these kids, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: seeing this under a spotlight? I'm thinking about it. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, is it again? This may be like I

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Speaker 3: can't do secondhand embarrassment. I would rather crawl under a

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Speaker 3: also why I have that lingering anxiety of like did

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Speaker 3: I say something wrong, right, But it's attached to this emotion.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if do these films do this

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Speaker 3: on purpose? Do these plays do this on purpose? Is

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Speaker 4: I think both can be true.

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Speaker 1: There's one episode of like The Office, for instance, where like, uh,

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's like the dinner party episode and it is

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Speaker 4: And that had to be intentional like.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, absolutely, no way, they weren't trying to make

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a part of it that is,

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Speaker 3: Okay, So as as we're talking about it, I'm researching it.

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Speaker 3: And it's called actually called a vicarious embarrassment, and it

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Speaker 3: says when a person feels this embarrassment for another person

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Speaker 2: So I guess that would go along with it.

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Speaker 2: Do want to fix it. I want that not to

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Speaker 3: I don't understand how you can face people again if

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Speaker 1: I mean that's true, like the I like I can

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Speaker 1: I've done some really embarrassing things, for sure, some really

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Speaker 1: it will be like you know, five am, and I'll yeah,

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Speaker 2: Grade, right, thinking about those things all the time. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So in this article, that I pulled up. It actually

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Speaker 3: funny because I'm like my mom did drill into me

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Speaker 3: I don't love it, but this is what this is.

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Speaker 3: And he had more empathy in the understanding of it.

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Speaker 3: it and like all of these things. So maybe it

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Speaker 3: That does make more sense. But I hate it, I

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Speaker 2: Like have Yeah, I can't even think about it because.

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Speaker 3: It's so so overwhelming in that level, and like watching

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Speaker 3: I don't love watching new things with people. I'm very

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Speaker 3: I think it's a waste of time, especially if I'm

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Speaker 3: caught up. But if I haven't like Talkdeen forever and

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Speaker 2: I don't want any of this.

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Speaker 3: In my life if I don't want to experience this

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm. I've seen you run away from a room.

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Speaker 3: Before I have I run away from the room if

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Speaker 3: it's shameful, I'm like, I know what's happening.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go away.

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Speaker 5: Or if it's too sad, yeah, I've seen that before.

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Speaker 5: I was like, if this is gonna damage me, I

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Speaker 5: gotta go. You're just taking care of yourself.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 4: I like the opposite. So once. I think I've told

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Speaker 1: Most of the like minor fights I got in with

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Speaker 1: And I was really into the show Roswell, and I

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Speaker 1: exactly what episode I'm talking about. If it's called Sexual

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Speaker 1: Healing and they basically Liz and Max had have sex

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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't die. And like multiple times, by the way, yes, well.

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Speaker 2: You've done this episode, and I'm shocked every time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I was like a fourteen year old sitting

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Speaker 1: gonna be nothing bad, It's gonna happen in it, like, well,

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Speaker 1: it'll be fine, my younger brother can watch it, and

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Speaker 1: I was determined to not. I'd made zero comments. I

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Speaker 1: I will not be the first to admit this is

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Speaker 4: All of us.

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Speaker 2: I have to crack jokes.

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Speaker 4: That's my I mean, that probably would have been the

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Speaker 4: better way to do it, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that's not necessary because it makes usually makes

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Speaker 3: it worse. I feel like, but yeah, my thing is

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Speaker 3: You're welcome run away.

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Speaker 2: That's the other other thing is to run away.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I just say, I'm like a like a turtle,

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Speaker 1: like no, yeah, I'm gonna stay here and we're going

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Speaker 3: I love that you're the stubborness that I will do this.

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Speaker 3: That's where I would have turned it immediately. I will

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Speaker 3: also do that if something comes awkward.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I forgot this part. Let's watch

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Speaker 2: something else.

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Speaker 5: You want you want?

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Speaker 2: You want something to eat?

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Speaker 1: To eat?

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Speaker 2: That's my automatic response.

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Speaker 3: God, I don't know, Like obviously, thinking about it now,

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Speaker 3: the idea that this embarrassment and the level of empathy

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Speaker 2: Every time you talk about the sex of the citio,

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Speaker 3: And though I have probably watched that scene the least,

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Speaker 3: I hate it more like it's more it's more like

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Speaker 1: That's funny because I'm finding through the hanging out with

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Speaker 1: do fan fiction. That's a big rom Colm Trope kind

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Speaker 3: Accidental high or like thinking that someone's interested. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: what I hate the most only. Oh so, anyway, thanks

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Speaker 3: for going down this road. I'm now currently sweaty talking about.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome. I'm here for you.

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Speaker 1: I was tempted to tell you some of my more

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Speaker 3: I want to know it because I like, at least

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Speaker 3: I'm not watching it. If I'm watching it, it's even

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 2: No no, but then watch it.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's all right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you take some deep breasts after this, yes, yes, well,

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