WEBVTT - Thou Shalt Seek The Unexpected 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:05.119 Hi, and welcome to everywhere. I'm your host, Daniel Scheffler. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:11.600 The commandment for the week is thou shalt seek the unexpected. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.520 Can you guess what the United Nations deems to be 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.840 the most visited destination on the planet. And if we 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.880 asked a handful of strangers on the street right now 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.360 where they would most like to go, what do you 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:39.920 think they'll say? Of course it's France, and it's Paris, 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:45.880 for better or for worse. I lived in Paris too 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:52.560 incredible yet tragically painful years. I speak French as mother's French, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.360 blooded from the south of France. But still I was 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:01.240 always but a stranger in Paris, and when I wasn't looking, 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.320 it was rolling its eyes at me. What that city 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:10.000 does so well, so formidably and provocatively well, is lift 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:14.400 the chalice of culture above the skies. Of course, it's 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.720 too high for piffling earthlings to climb to, but also 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:23.000 just far enough for everyone to want to stretch out 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:28.399 and tingle in its moleste. Paris concedes with no allowance 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.920 for disagreement, to be the possessor of all things culture. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.279 So if culture is the full spectrum of learned human 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:42.760 behavioral patterns. Then yes, Paris has given us the official blueprints. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.680 Paris is a city that likes to go to sleep 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.520 a little too late, only to wake up behind time, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:58.160 perhaps indicative of the ever controversial thirty five hour work 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.280 week and those long lunchers enjoyed not only by the 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.000 blue collars but by the white and gold ones too. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.320 Mornings are spent with pastries in the blur of cigarette smoke. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.720 As one of the only cities in the world where 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.520 smoking is still the avocation of all the city inspires 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.760 puffers to toke double time and offers the perfect gift 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:27.000 to non smokers, who have to scream fumes from their 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:33.080 mouths too. I bestow upon the a lifelong addiction set 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:38.359 in prisire the same way that animals have learned behavior, 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:43.359 Parisians possess something equally Pavlovian. They have it passed over 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:48.239 from generations of over finessed Paris grandmothers in the sixteenth 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:54.640 and overfed Paris grandfathers in the thirteen If you watch 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.960 Julie Delpi's film Two Days in New York, you'll get 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.760 a sliver of what flavored French relatives could be. Because 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.600 Paris works like this, you hardly eat as the helpings 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.720 on minuscule you day, drink any wine you can find, 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:16.360 and inappropriately sexual behavior will confuse you. And if you 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.919 can fit in as much swearing as possible into every conversation, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.679 m fat Parisians will also teach you how to keep 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:31.280 a watchful eye on all fashioned disasters whilst drinking extra 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.200 scalded bitter coffee. These are just some of the markings 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.640 of a good Parisian, and it's somehow keeps them sane. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.000 And speaking of coffee, searching for coffee in a standard 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.680 everyday Paris cafe is like searching for, I don't know, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.680 a giraffe under the Atlantic Ocean. Of course, you can 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.480 attempt this armed with a wheel of a dockey basket 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.560 cheese to sink you down, but you'll realize is it's 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.640 a total waste of precious Parisian time, because all they 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:09.840 have is time. The French belief that dark roasting all 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.240 let's call it what it is, five hundred degree brule 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:19.719 makes it stronger and by such implication, tastier. Well, here 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.160 are some Paris coffee terminology, just to entertain you. And 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:29.360 Noisette sounding so wonderfully innocent is the stomach lining attack 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.880 with a joan of arc fury. A cafe creme might 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.760 thrill you with that fluffy, handsome sounding name. What what 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.440 you'll get is extra extra, one more time with feeling 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.839 extra pasteurized milk that will last for a lifetime, plus 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.359 a tiny spot of again burnt bitter soult coffee. But 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:57.560 don't bother with American drip coffee. The open jawned dismay 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.200 from your ever friendly waitress. Will you know that even 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.279 if you do get the desired format, it will be 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.800 more than disappointing and potentially rigged with some incendiary device. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.760 So what makes the French believe that they have the 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.880 world's greatest coffee? Oh? Yes, the use of a French 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.159 press the worst way in the whole world to make 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.200 coffee unless you enjoy a strong acidity that's thin in 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:29.640 flavor and thick engrossness. Of course, the open display for 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.320 pollution and car fumes to come and sit on the 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:38.240 too old for use beans and invariably cheap machines may 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.200 add to the dismay that you're feeling by now. So 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.239 where did the great writers and artists get their caffeine rush? 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.200 If Paris cannot deliver a decent roast or bean anyway, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.640 well maybe at home, or maybe they got their kicks 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.279 from Opium, the annoying beautiful scenery and architecture, or the 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.680 almost lawless people watching everywhere, or quite simply from the 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:10.159 most obvious, the free flowing alcohol, and once night falls, 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.880 it's in full gush. The city is no longer shared 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:19.800 with Voltaire, Hemmingway or even Horsom. They have finally retired 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:24.599 their postulations and cups of wine and decided to rest 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:29.520 peacefully somewhere away from the dirty streets and extra extra 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:35.400 small cafe tables. Paris has always stood in this messiness 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:43.400 of monarchy, empire republic revolutions, both equally inspiring. The city 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.840 hosts the snobbyist suburbs on the planet as well as 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:52.120 the trashiest ones. The bohemians have tried to own their 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:58.280 city with underground artists, squats and circuses, but the conservatives 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.720 never let go of their group on the official Paris representation, 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.159 thus giving way to the city of dichotomy, beautiful and 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.680 ugly in an umberto eco sense where both are needed 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:16.400 for the other to exist. So where has this muddle 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:21.119 of disorder left our city of love? The right Bank 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.800 is no longer in the opposition with the Left Bank. 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.840 The suburbs and the inner city are now the holders 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.480 of gloves, as they be labor and pulverize the visions 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.720 of a new greatest city. As the throb of Paris 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.760 romance continues to give the city the highest number of 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:43.920 tourists of any destination, a different perspective of love is imminent. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.640 The bolted locks I see on the bridges represent an 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:53.800 almost desperate attempt to hold onto love's embrace. But Paris 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.680 feels differently about love. The same way that Paris residents 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.600 want the locks to be removed, this that he wants 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:06.040 to feel free again, free from your love, free to 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:10.320 find a new love. Well, I found some of that 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.720 at the Perla Chaise. As the evening wanted to commence, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.840 my metro slowly found its way underneath these filthy streets 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.840 to the tourists cemetery so famed, so profound, that it 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.280 had become a reason for millions of people all over 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.840 the world to squash themselves into aeroplanes, tidy themselves onto 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.320 boats and cars, and line themselves up to trains to 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:40.000 get to this place. The symmetry of all cemeteries hosts 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.880 for me the most important musician to ever live, hence 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:48.000 why I braved the tourist masses. But apparently I'm not 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.600 alone in my love for the great Lizard King. For 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:56.559 most fans, the music will never be over. My determined 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.120 stride through the crowded cemetery is completely forgotten, as my 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.480 sole focus is on finding my gym. Paris was given 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.320 to Morrison, whether they wanted him or not, and I, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.280 the little Paris Virgin, proudly stayed in his ex hotel 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.320 and the Left Bank. That's was when I arrived in 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.679 Paris for the first time, so it may have been 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:22.520 a hotel manager's version of tourist trapping. So finding the 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.080 grave is easy. I just followed the smell of Jack 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.280 Daniels and cigarettes. Jim is, of course waiting for me, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.600 as he always will be. The stone on his grave 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:40.600 screams at me. Cataton dai mona s tos Google Translate 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:44.400 tells me, with no questions asked that it means true 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:51.240 to his own spirit. Unsatisfied, I text the Greek friend 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:55.280 who says it's more like according to his own demon. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:03.439 I laugh, my non Parisian laugh that makes everyone stare 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:09.520 at me, and then the sky opens and peas all 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:15.400 over me like Jim would have done Paris. Paris. You're 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:20.599 always according to your own demon. So if you insist 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.240 and you have to go to Paris, I won't stop here. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.559 But perhaps I'd love for you to find the most 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.240 unexpected things about it, because that's where the magic lies. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.800 When a yuppy French stair master in the gym after 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:43.560 twenty minutes congratulated me for climbing the Turi fell, I 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.840 had to pause and think, why have I always wanted 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.480 to avoid the actual site of this iron lattice Paris Tower? 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.480 Could it perhaps be that flurry of begett carrying barret 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.640 wearing tourists that swarm around it as if it was 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:07.640 the lighthouse of culture? Perhaps? Yes, The tower held the 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.520 tallest man made structure in the world title for forty 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.040 one years until the Chrysler Building in New York had 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.160 to messens and required an easy to apply sixty tons 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.600 of paint every seven years to maintain a shine. So 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.959 what about all this engineered steel, vulgar stature and upkeep 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.600 sweat makes the tower the dernier cree of a city 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:41.680 so obsessed with haute cultier. Perhaps it is the iconic 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:47.360 nature of the edifice that has given Paris an arresting stardom, 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.680 unaffected by fame and fortune. Seemingly that is, the city 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.160 has clutched their ownership of all things culturally acceptable or 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.959 culturally permitted, and somehow that gave the city of life. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:05.920 It's it's notoriety, but Paris, the sufferer of middle child syndrome, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.520 did secretly want to appear to the world to be 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:16.079 greater than, more chic than Voila. The Eiffel Tower worked. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:21.520 Its prestigitation undeniably appears at you from every corner of 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.400 the city, when you come out of the dirty metro, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.680 when you pop your head out the tiny top window 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.959 of your attillier, and even when you wake from sleep 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.640 in one of the many manicured gardens around the city. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.160 It doesn't smile down at the visitors queuing and snakelike 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.520 formations below. It probably would spit on them if it could. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.120 But all the same visitors come and marvel at the engineering, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:55.480 and Paris loves, oh loves all the attention. But of course, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:13:14.400 my darling Paris will never admit to that. Let's take 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.440 a break to hear from our sponsors, and we'll be 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:23.000 right back with more travel from everywhere. You've been somewhere, 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:30.760 What say we go everywhere. Let's dive right in. I 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.640 sort of thought that I knew Italy better than any 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:39.040 other country, because I have been going every year for 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.160 my whole life. Well it turns out I know nothing. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:50.000 Julia in the heel of Italy is undiscovered and still 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:58.320 feels untouristy and gorgeously unkept. The warm Adriatic Sea, the 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:04.679 endless amounts of olive trees, and then these white Massadia buildings, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:10.320 which are old farmhouses dotted around the landscape. Well, I'm 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:15.920 here at Borgo Ignasia, a beautiful resort with the owners, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:22.160 Mariza mel Bano and her son Aldo. They know the area, 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:27.360 they've been coming here for decades, and now they've put 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.680 it on the world map, combining a little bit of 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:39.120 Italian goodness and wellness. Okay, So, as I was saying 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.960 to you, for me, what's interesting is that everyone has 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.480 a reference point for Italy. You say the word Italy 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.240 and people think, maybe it's a car, maybe it's the food, 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.760 Maybe it's the countryside, Maybe it's the way of life. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:58.360 The Dolte vida anything like that. But to me, I 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.360 think when you come to Julia, you have to change 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.680 your perception of Italy because it's so different and there's 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:10.800 something so authentically special about Puglia. Julia doesn't feel to 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:15.320 me as it's made for tourists. Big parts of Italy 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.680 is created for tourists. Julia feels to me as it's 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:26.840 created for Italians. For Puliza like it feels like it's 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.760 for people who are from here and understand here and 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:37.760 their friends and their friends friends. She's the little manic Ilbaroo. 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:51.720 She's on a storia in persant tourism and with someone 0:15:51.760 --> 0:16:01.840 fortunaty but having that would tourist because we have always 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:07.160 been rich like this, because we have beautiful towns, wonderful cathedrals, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:13.400 Romantic style, Baroque style. But Poulia is becoming more and 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.400 more popular just in the last years, and so we 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.440 are lucky because it seems like something new, but actually 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:27.560 it's it's our heritage. We have a huge culture, and 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.000 in the past tourists used to stop like in Rome 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:35.360 or Naples or some parts of Sicily. But now you 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.480 can discover Pulia as well, and you can discover something 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:44.200 that actually we always have had it's part of our DNA, 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.560 but for people coming from abroad it's something new. So 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.040 we are we're lucky because we have these treasures that 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.680 can be shared. Now, why it's so special to you? 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:02.760 It's a spiritual plans fearful me. Why how is it 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:12.200 spiritual for you? Common spirit? A spirit the I mean 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.320 the blind it relaxed when I live in this place, 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:22.240 I don't know what this not positive to spaity to explain. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.040 But you're surrounded by lennial trees. Some of these trees 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.760 are like years old. When people arriving with me in 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:40.000 the Massidia, just when I complain the vi sp it's 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.040 something that you can't explain. But only when you arrive 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.800 here you can feel the energy of the place, and 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.840 it's thanks to these kind of trees which are huge 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.199 and very very old, so you can feel that you 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.960 are in a very special The people sleep very well. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:02.400 Not my addiction, my my, my guest. I don't speak here. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:08.240 I speak a really well. This is simplestan after the 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.960 one here, the job longer and this started to relax 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.760 the body and the song. The body and body and 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.760 mind can be very relaxed here I feel that you 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.680 feel that I sleep so beautifully. That's where I came 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:30.040 twice to come sleep again. Yes, tell me a story 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.280 about some experience that you think of all the time 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.960 about Pulia, about your life in Pulia, like something that 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:43.280 you think about my My life is a bit bit, 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:54.280 a bit happy. Why tuny I go to vendemia vandem 0:18:54.560 --> 0:19:00.280 is when you harvest grapes when it's younger, when young 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.479 university one that she used to have a lot of 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.679 fun when it was the time of grape harvesting, because 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.159 she used to press the grapes with with with the feet, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.480 you know. Yeah, no, no, even a campaign to tell 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:23.919 Dona Pomodoria pass and the legal lore us. You had 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.840 a lot of fun with their grandfather in the countryside 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.000 and with all the ladies that were working in the 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.119 countryside with tomatoes to make the tomato sauce. The small 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.360 It was very very happy. I had a very happy childhood. 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:46.919 Here a CampaignOn because countryside was part of her childhood. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:58.560 Tell me some pulling wisdom suggests a po policy. They're 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:10.000 gonna primafy a chi primafi primafied. Yes, that you have 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.760 to do something and after that you can speak about it. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:23.000 Otherwise it's just speaking legal course, because a lot of 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.520 people used to just to talk and talk and talk 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.359 without doing nothing. That's the best wisdom I've heard it 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:41.480 a long time. Ri Let's okay, you have to do 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.960 something and then you can show what you are just 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:52.640 through what you're doing, not just through words a question. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:58.960 I said, yes, serious and concrete soul on that note 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:07.440 so much so. Here's Marissa's son Aldo, who also trying 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:11.840 to articulate just what sets Pulia apart from the rest 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:17.640 of Italy. I like to think about Pulia a little 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.480 bit of you know, how you see it in the 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.800 old movies and not that kind of feel, that kind 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.400 of vibe, and that's what you have here, and it's 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.000 it's kind of still there and still very authentic, and 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.440 you know some of that you have you've lost another 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.080 in other parts of Italy. Um explain that to me 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.560 a little bit more. It's just the the energy of 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.119 of of this land is it's kind of ancient and 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.840 you feel it, you know, when you walk around the 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.040 fields and you look at the trees and you meet 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:51.119 the people and you just walk around the towns. You know, 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.840 you feel some connection with you know, with with what 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.240 was before. I don't know how to explain it, and 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.520 I think people are people perceived that. And also because 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.080 tourism is only really developed in Pool in the last 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:11.440 twenty years, most places are not spoiled yet then people 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.960 actually live here. So in a lot of places that 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:19.399 are more sort of common for international travelers to go, 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.560 you kind of I don't really have the local community anymore. 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.800 While here, if you go to any of the local 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:31.240 towns in you know, summertime, but even so wintertime, there's 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.520 people there, they live there. You're sharing the same space 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.560 with the local community. In many other places in Italy, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.440 now you go to a town and you know, maybe 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:44.560 there's there's a market, but you know it's just there 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.399 for the for the tourists. So that hasn't happened here 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:52.359 and hopefully will never happen. In fact, this is a 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.720 great moment for us to travel once again to advertising land. 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:01.480 Will be right back with more everywhere. Welcome once again 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:10.359 to everywhere. Let's hop back to it. Well, my next interview, 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.840 I'm spending some time with my new friends any Reese 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:18.119 and Lauren vogel Bound, the hosts of Sava and I 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:22.880 Hunt radio podcast that digs into how people live, how 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:28.720 they eat, and most importantly why any Lauren explore the science, 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.520 the history, and the culture of food and drink. Thank 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.200 you for having me on your show, and thank you 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.960 for coming on my show. Yeah, this is fabulous. I'm 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.680 so glad that we finally all managed to be in 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.080 the same virtual room at the same time. Yes, I 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.720 feel like I'm in the room with the two of you. Heck, yeah, 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:53.440 it's working. Okay, I suppose for the generalized record, the 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.800 first thing that I like to ask people is HI, 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.040 who are you? Well? Hi? I m Daniel Scheffler, and 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:07.120 I have this travel podcast called Everywhere, and it feels 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:12.240 to me as if it's a conglomeration of my life's work, 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:17.560 my life's ambitions, my life's feelings and emotions and processes. 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:22.520 And it feels like it's a collection of travel wisdom 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:26.159 that was given to me to pass on, challenges that 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.880 was given to me, and then stories of thirty five years. 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.800 So I've managed to put this into a podcast, which 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.960 has been the greatest joy of my life. So that's 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.760 the work me and the personal me, which I think 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.320 these two things I guess into mesh. At this point 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.800 in the personal me is you know, husband to the 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:52.800 most wonderful patient keyword patient together human that I've ever met. 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:58.920 Michael and father too, a little dog who's from Puerto Rico. 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:05.200 Be each dog Ella, who you both know. And I 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.440 was born in South Africa. I'd like to say I 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.479 was born in Africa, bread in Europe, and now choose 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:15.040 to live in America. So I'm, I guess a person 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.880 of the world. Yeah, and you've made a career out 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.480 of traveling, Like, how how did you get into that? 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.280 What was the line between I love doing this and 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.439 I am going to make this whole planet my mobile office. 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:31.840 Well I should have asked the two of you, who 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.440 are you too? So can we please because you coming 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:37.720 on my show too, Like my listeners need to know 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.320 who you are. Excuse me, I'm not used to having 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:46.040 this turned back around. I was so excited to do it. Well, 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:50.960 I am Annie Annie Reese, and I am part of 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:53.959 the co hosting team of Saber, which is a podcast 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.600 about food and drink. So this is very exciting. It's 0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.280 a good fit. And you Daniel her friend far so 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.920 very happy to be here. Yeah yeah, um Hi, I'm 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.840 I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. I'm yes, the other half of that 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.520 Saver team. Um, we have a focus on on food 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.320 and drink, the science and culture and history of everything 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.879 that is ingestible and some things that are not, like 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:20.280 edible gold, but well it's ingustible, it's just not nutritious 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:22.760 right out poop it. You just poop it right out 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.600 and pay so much for it. I know it doesn't 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.960 even taste like anything such expensive poop. Uh. Yeah, And 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:35.320 and we we started the podcast Saver when Okay, we 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.600 had been in Austin for south By Southwest, and I 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.359 witnessed Annie like she had this map of all of 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.879 these restaurants that we needed to go to or that 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:46.399 she needed to go to, and that she dragged a 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.720 lot of us along too as well, and like she 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.760 knew what to order there, and she had made reservations 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:56.000 for barbecue there like three months in advance and all 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:57.520 of this other stuff. And I was like, oh man, 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:04.080 this lady needs a food podcast. M hmm, that's beautiful. Okay, 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:08.080 So to answer your question, Um, I worked as a 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:12.200 management consultant after studying kind of businessy degrees, and I 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.040 struggled for a long time to really find what I 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.240 wanted to do and sort of burned out in a 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:23.800 management consulting career, and I watched Eat, Pray, Love when 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.399 it was really that corny moment where I saw Julia 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.440 Roberts talk about how she felt her life used to 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:33.440 have meaning and now it had none. And I was 0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:37.159 on a plane to India in a week, and I 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.720 sort of just went to India to clean yoga mats 0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:44.840 and find my humility because I was just a spoiled, 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:50.200 white rich boy from Africa who had privilege, and I 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.040 needed to get rid of a lot of that. I 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:56.480 needed to go and just find myself in that kind 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.600 of corny, obvious way, but I needed to go and 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.120 under stand how I could give back, how I could 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:07.879 find humanity. And it helped that. I was, you know, 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.760 waking up at four in the morning, cleaning bathrooms for 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:17.480 curry eating ushroom goers and washing the mats of sweaty 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:22.520 Australian backpackings. And at some point I was standing in 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:24.960 the ganga after my teacher told me to kind of 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.280 leave all my bullshit and stand in the mother Ganga 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.119 until I've let that go. And I stood in this 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:37.479 water for a very very long time. I cried, I laughed, 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:43.360 and I just stayed until I had fully washed my persona. 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.680 I'd say fully, but as much as I possibly could, 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.720 Like I washed a persona away and I was able 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.840 to kind of really just step out of that water 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.320 and be like, great, I want to be different. I 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.400 want to make a contribution to this world. I want 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.360 to feel alive in a way that I hadn't been. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.160 And that set me on a course because what I 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.640 wanted to do is right and um. I had an 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.040 English teacher at school who really believed in me, and 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.680 she sort of saw me and she was like, you 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.120 have talent, you should do something with this. And she 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.400 was the first person in my life that really saw 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:21.840 me besides for my mother, and it set me on 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.960 this course to New York. I sort of packed my 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.440 bags and moved to New York with nothing, and I 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:30.040 knew no one and I had nothing. My parents cut 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.880 me off and I had no idea what I was 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:37.080 going to do. And I was willing to tell stories 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.720 and write and travel. And the New York Times found me, 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.080 and Condonnas Trala found me, and it sort of snowballed 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:48.440 from there and here I am today. Oh that's amazing. 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.760 I Um, I mean I guess I. I like moved 0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:58.360 to Atlanta from Florida. Anny, you got into travel, did 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.120 you sort of have a similar experien riants somewhere along 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.960 the line when you started traveling where you were just like, Oh, 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:09.560 this is me changing, this is like a paradigm shift. Yeah, absolutely, I. Um. 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.880