WEBVTT - Is She The Villain? with Amanda Schull • 721 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.440 First of all, you don't know me. We all about 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.400 that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.440 High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.160 our comic girl shared for the right team Drama Queens. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.639 Jaylie's my girl Girl Fashion, but your tough girl. You 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:17.480 could sit with us. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.239 Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, John the 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.680 Queens Drama Queens. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:30.200 Hi Friends, welcome back. We have Amanda Shule today and 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.199 we're talking all about episode seven one. What's in the 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:38.400 ground belongs to you? We have a synopsis. Here is 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.199 it in the chat? Amanda, Amanda, do you want to 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.400 do the honors and read the synopsis for us? 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.400 Oh? Nathan struggles to reach an increasingly despondent Haley, while 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.400 Quinn leads Jamie on this is an in it, but 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.880 what an epic Tree Hill treasure hunt? Oh yeah, holy 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.160 col Julian shows his finished film to Brook and Clay 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.720 is for to deal with deranged. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.759 Katie after he spent the whole Q and A trying 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:07.520 to humanize her. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:13.480 Yeah, de ranged. This was directed by Peter Kowalski. Yeah, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.080 let's get into it, guys. Wow, where do we start? 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.199 What a fun episode. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.400 It really was. I have to say I was all 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.039 here for this treasure hunt that this was my favorite 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.280 thing in the episode. I just kept waiting for these 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:31.040 scenes to come back. I was. I loved watching Chantelle 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.080 and Jackson run around Wilmington. You could tell Chantelle was 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.679 having the time of her life. Jackson clearly was too. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.040 It was such a great idea, and as a parent, 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.640 I'm like, oh, what didn't I think I hire yes, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:43.679 my kids. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.559 And the choice to open up though on the shot 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.520 of her digging in the woods by herself and having 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.640 the camera at a low angle, Oh yeah, I was like, 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.559 miss is she bearing a body? 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.160 Yes, she preparing to marry a body? What is going on? 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.600 That was a great, great little teaser. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:10.280 M Oh yeah. I really enjoyed because she I did 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.400 believe everything that Chantal was saying. I believe it, and 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.200 I loved how she like led him along with it. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.320 She never did like a wink wink you know. Yeah, 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:23.840 it was she was at his level, just playing, having fun, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.520 and that was really enjoyable. But every single time they appeared, 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.200 I was like, she waded into a fountain earlier that 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:35.600 day for this ye holy cow, she dug She went 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:40.400 on like a creepy boat, almost like like this is 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.120 like the Aunt of the Year award. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.760 Yeah, that is so chantal too, by the way, I 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.400 mean one hundred percent her personality. She would do that 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.040 without hesitation for anyone she leaves. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.040 It's so sweet. She goes full out. But it was 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.040 it was so good. We were talking about this last 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.880 episode because there was a scene where Skills took Jamie, 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:01.840 just the two of them, to have lunch, and I 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.280 was saying, as a parent, it means so much when 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.640 you see another adult actually invest in your child and 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.480 show up for your child, And so I was saying 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.040 it was for me as a viewer and as a dad. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.920 I watched it, and I because I've been sort of 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.840 upset with Skills lately from some of his behavior in 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.960 the way he's treating his friends and Lauren, and then 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:27.360 that scene happened. I was like, well, Okay, you're all right, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:28.200 I guess. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.800 Isn't it interesting how it colors everything you see now 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.200 as a parent, like you see the world through a 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.760 different lens. You're watching television that's not children's television or 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:44.640 like anything specifically kid related. Either you're watching it and 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.240 seeing it and appreciating it differently, and now you have 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.640 like a new fondness for a character of your own offspring. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.040 And to see that Quinn put listen. It would have 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.040 been enough if she just showed up with goonies. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.160 it was like, Hey, this is something important to me 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.400 that I think you might like. Let's have this experience together. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.000 That would have been great. But the fact that she did, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.200 I mean, let's be honest, that's about a whole day's 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.200 worth of work. Yeah, prior to give him that experience, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:13.800 because that's what kids remember, you know. It's not so 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.920 much the gifts as is the experience is like he's 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:17.960 going to remember that for the rest of his life. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.080 That was just I mean, what a great way to 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:27.200 show a character's character. M Yeah, I loved it, and 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.960 I agree. It was also fun as heck, I love 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.599 the movie or the Goonies personally, so like you, I 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.040 was on board for all of it. 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.360 Yeah, epic, epic treasure hunt, Quinn saving the day. 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.840 How about the opposite of Quinn. Yeah, I think we're 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.280 falling apart. That was another shade of it was that 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.359 it wasn't just Quinn being a great mom. It was 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.080 her taking the temperature of the room and realizing that 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.720 she needed to kind of step in and you know 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.520 and be there while while Haley was sort of absent, Yeah. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:04.280 Not needing to talk about it either. That That's also 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.640 kind of something lovely that I noticed. It wasn't like, hey, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.720 so let's sit down and talk about your mom, you 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.080 know which kids. I mean, he's a little bit older, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.160 but kids don't want to talk about the thing. You know. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:24.280 She let him just be a kid, and then he 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.159 guided her back, you know, at the very end, and 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:32.200 then that beautiful sweet note you know where we all 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.159 just kind of broke a little bit, you know, But 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.240 but it is, it is. It is really different to 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.520 watch it as a parent now, to see an adult 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.680 showing up and not needing it to show up because 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.960 of the thing. I'm just showing up because I love 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.440 this movie and we're just gonna watch this movie. You know. 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.120 That's so true. Kids don't want to talk about the thing, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.120 and they don't necessarily need to, Like I learned that 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.520 just being a parent. You know that I'm such a 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.200 problem solver. I love to dive into things and dissect 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.880 things and figure out the thing and having a having 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:14.080 a kid really gave me a new ability to just 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.159 step back and like, we don't have to solve everything 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.080 right now. We don't have to dissect everything right now. Like, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.520 if there's something you want to talk about, what's the 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.039 what's the most efficient least amount of talking that we 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.800 can do. We can say one or two things to 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.080 each other and then move on. If I've got a 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.160 point to make, I better make it quick, because she 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.720 jumps on me too. She'll be like, Okay, Mom, I'm lost, 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.560 you're boring me. I don't. I'm it's too much. Okay. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.360 So it takes it's a skill to learn how to 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.880 do that. And I love that Quinn has that skill 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.320 without even being a mom. She she just has that 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.680 instinct to no, we're pals, let's just let's just hang. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.880 Things get worked out Sometimes just by being in someone's presence, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.040 you don't always have to talk about it. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.120 Yeah, I think it don't like to talk about it, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.200 and kids can work through it more easily. I've noticed 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.800 that with my son. First of all, something I've learned 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.720 from him is how to just get over stuff. He 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.680 doesn't dwell on stuff, and he's taught me kind of 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:20.000 the art of not just forgiveness, but of just yeah, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.080 people do some creuddy things sometimes, and then it's up 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.000 to you to get over it, you know, And he'll 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.320 just get over it and if he wants to talk 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.720 about it a little bit, you know, and I'll say 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.880 I'm sorry that I got upset earlier. I was really 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.480 frustrated and I was in a rush or you know, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:38.000 whatever it is, and he's like, it's okay. Where rather 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.720 than just dwelling on it and being like, yes when 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.080 you got up, you know, he's just he's a kid, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.080 and these little things happen and you just move on. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.960 Do you think it's partially because of what we were 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.880 talking about earlier about how people, you know, the very 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.240 human nature to want to compartmentalize and reduce people down 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.320 in the moment to whatever the worst moment is that 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:04.640 as as adults, we feel the need to explain ourselves 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.960 so that we don't get reduced down. And kid kids 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.920 don't have that instinct. It's just like they they can 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.440 see you as a whole picture, and that one little 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.480 thing doesn't follow the whole picture. The way that we 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.840 are we overthinking things like what is that. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.200 All the time we are all the time we are. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.080 I mean think I try to remind myself it's like, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.040 whatever happens, it's all just information, and it's the narrative 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.160 that I choose to hang on it that makes it 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.400 painful or joyful. And I think the thing with kids 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.600 is they're just they're they're not putting a narrative on things. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.280 It's like that happened, I'm going to feel it and 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.720 then it's gone. Whereas adult it's like I got cut 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.400 off in traffic. What's because that person thinks their time 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.640 is more valuable than mine. They don't care about me. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.360 They probably think they're better than me. It's like I 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.400 will my brain is a meaning making machine and it 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.240 is constantly telling me a story, and I offer because 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.880 of that story, not so much because of what actually happened, 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.439 you know. And I think kids just they haven't had 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.520 that drama yet, they haven't had whatever had to develop 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.000 the coping mechanism yet, so they're just like, cool, you 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.840 did that thing, it's dunk. Great, what do we have 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:17.360 to lunch? 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:17.880 Yeah? 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.560 And they take you at your word too, like if 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.920 I do something that is, if I am dismissive or 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.439 I don't pay attention to her in a moment when 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.480 she is asking me to and then I forget what 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:34.160 she said. When I apologize, they it's okay, okay. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:41.839 Thank you some of your apology, accept it and move on. Yes, man, Hey, hey, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.400 can the three of us make a pact that we 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.920 are going to accept apologies and move the f on? Yes, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.880 at least the next month. Let's work on the next one. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:54.760 Can we do that? 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.760 Guys, we're like the emotional goonies. Okay, we're going on 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:02.800 our own adventure hoping to find serenity in peace. Yes, Like, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.320 let's check back in a month. I'm so in for that. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.120 I'm in it. And I have a note in my phone. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.160 I have two notes that I keep at the bottom 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:12.920 of my to do list so I see them every day, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.319 and one of them is just don't take it all 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.640 so seriously, which I need to remind myself of all 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.040 the time and stop assuming you know how this is 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.400 supposed to go. Yeah, good, because it's like, but the kids, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.439 you're right, It's like, just don't take it so seriously 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.240 because in my head it's like, come on, we're gonna 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.319 you know, this isn't when we do bath times. It's 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.560 like it's bath time. It's just a bath like it's 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.600 the steaks couldn't be lower. You're just tired and you 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.880 haven't had a meal in eight hours. Have a snack, 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:43.800 take a breath. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.720 It's all okay, the stakes couldn't below. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.400 I see it. But it really grows in us the 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.120 older we get. You know, my daughter's thirteen. Now I 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.679 can see in her and her friends the fear around 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.560 school around you know, even if something as simple as 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.560 raising your hand in a classroom, that fear grows in us. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.160 It's not that wasn't there when she was five and 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.800 six in kindergarten, first grade. If she had a question, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:12.920 you just raise your hand and you just shout it out. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:19.760 And it's the repetitive squashing of curiosity, I think, and 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:25.679 that grows this sense of fear around oh maybe I. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:30.280 And judgment and yes, right, squashing of curiosity and also 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.120 the judgment like, well, people might think I'm silly or 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:39.080 stupid for asking this question, or you know this, my 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.520 son will just hear music and just break into dance. Yeah, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.000 probably won't do that his whole life, right, No, because 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.880 he's going to feel self conscious at a certain point. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.040 And the sense of with good classroom stuff with worrying 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.240 about am I am I going to get a good grade? 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:56.600 Am I going to do well in the test? And 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.400 there's so much pressure and there's so much stress, and 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.240 I'm like, it's six's and it's eighth grade. Like this 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.120 is when you're learning how to. You can't no one's 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:10.080 expecting you to do perfectly. This is what life is 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.760 for right now, is learning how to how to make 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.960 mistakes and be okay with it and forgive yourself and 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.120 forgive other people, and like this is what we should 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.400 be learning. But this standard of perfection that they're always 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.040 trying to hit. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.920 But that's also I mean, kids are sponges and they 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.560 reflect everything we do. So they'll see I mean once 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.800 they get out of the home and they see other 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.640 adults doing that too, but they just want to mimic everything, right, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.679 So if they see us judging things, and if they 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.920 see us, you know, second guessing our behavior, they're going 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.280 to do the exact same thing. Yeah, my son is 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.400 like the most resilient human I have ever seen in 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.880 my entire life. And I would love to take credit 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.000 for it, but I can't. It's like he's not Kids 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.640 are naturally resilient, you know, yeah, like, oh I messed 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.160 up on this, but that's okay. I can still do 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.320 this and he'll turn it into something else. Is it'll 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.640 drawing or whatever it is, Like maybe all have that 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.160 outlook on our own lives, you know. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.400 Yeah, and we're seeing it in Jamie in this episode too. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.959 He's just well bouncing back, but isn't it. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.840 It was so heartbreaking though, because so he walks out 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.080 when Haley sort of just despondent by the pool, and 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.440 he says, MoMA, I made my own breakfast and cleaned 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.880 everything up, and I don't even think Haley makes eye 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.839 contact with him. She just says, what do you want 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.480 a gold star? And it was so sad on two fronts. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:34.439 One that obviously you know that he's just being admonished, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.840 you know, and discarded, is so sad. But it's also 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.840 sad because at that young of an age, I don't 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.760 know where the line is between caring about someone and 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.640 feeling responsible for someone else's feelings, because a child should 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.680 never feel responsible for their parents' feelings. Yeah, like it 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.240 is not my kid's job to regulate my mood and 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.359 my feelings. My child is not responsible for my happiness, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.720 and so there was a pot So I think just 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.400 because I also had that in me, I watched it 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.959 and I was like, ooh, I love that you love 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.360 your mom. But I also it's a bummer that you're 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:11.320 eight and you are trying to fix her happiness. Yeah, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.120 that's a that's a weight a child should never carry, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:14.360 you know. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.840 I think it's such a natural inclination that and that 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:24.960 has to be taught because empathy is I mean, that's 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.400 what grows in us as we get older. So I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:33.000 think it's beautiful that he was feeling that way. But 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.880 that would have been the moment if Haley was in 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.960 her right mind to say, hey, but you don't have 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.880 to do things to make me feel better. And I 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.080 hope you know that, you know, because the instinct for 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.160 him to do that because like I care about my mom. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.040 What do I think would make her happy? It's the 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.280 same thing I do for my friends. Like if my 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.280 friends having a bad day, I'm like, what would make her? 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.000 What would make her happy? Like I'm going to send 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.040 her a little juice delivery. Maybe I'll just pick her 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.120 up and take her to the taker shopping or whatever 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.560 like you know, So those but there is a line 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.560 and those are the teachable moments, and it was heartbreaking 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.600 that Haley wasn't able to acknowledge that in that moment 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.720 and actually kind of go the opposite direction. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.800 Yes, and you're right, because kids they're just they sort 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.920 of repeat the behavior they've been modeled. And obviously Nathan 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.760 and Haley are a good couple. They're in tune with 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.960 each other, and so, yeah, you're right, and that's probably 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.960 just what it was, was him doing what he has 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.000 seen happen in the household, in the family. But yeah, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.560 that she she shut it down, because you're right, it 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.640 would have been a perfect teachable moment. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.920 Yeah, like it's okay to do things too, but just 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:35.800 as long as you're not doing it so that I'll 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.240 be happy, Like that's that's and that's the moment. But yeah, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.440 she just couldn't. And I was thinking, I was like, oh, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.880 that hit me so hard, and thinking about what frame 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.800 of mind would Haley be in, Like where did I 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:57.920 go to justify that? And I think it was I 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.760 think it was the idea that it's like, you're why 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.120 is everyone expecting? Like I can see it from where 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.560 Hayley's brain was in that moment, the idea that you're 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.960 supposed to clean your room, Like, why are you coming 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:17.840 to me for accolades for doing your chore? 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:18.200 Like? 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.440 Just do what you're supposed to do. I'm not justifying 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.560 her answer. I think it was appalling, but also appropriate 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.760 for the character in the moment and good for character flaws. Well. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.200 Sometimes as a mom though, you feel like everyone expects 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.200 something from you. Yeah, and they could also be that 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.880 it's like, yeah, great, you're supposed to do that. What 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.440 do you want? What do you want from yeah? 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.040 The exhaustion? Yeah, yeah, I think maybe I relate to that, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.680 Like I feel that in life sometimes do you guys 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.000 ever feel that when people somebody you can tell somebody 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.080 is just really trying to gain your approval. It's like, 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:52.720 what do you want from me? 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.840 And when you're emotionally tapped out, all you want is 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.400 to have people not need stuff from you. Yeah, So 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.200 even if they do you reporting back something favorable when 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.679 you know they are also looking for a response, that 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.359 in itself can be just tiring and frustrating. Yeah. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.359 It's like, oh, so you did the dishes so that 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.119 you could get me to congratulate you for doing the dishes, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.359 So you still need something from me. It wasn't just 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.960 you doing something to make me happy or to like 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.639 make my life easier. You're looking for something in it, 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.359 which is an adult relationship issue, not apparent child relationship. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:31.840 God, people are such jerks. What a bunch of jerks we. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:48.840 Are speaking of jerks. I loved the way that both 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.840 Nathan though and Jamie really tried to rally around Haley, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.200 and to the point where when they are in traffic 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.560 Nathan and Haley. By the way, I had forgotten that 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:05.720 Nathan had bought the red Porsche episode. So when you 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:11.280 when Haley take car in Tree Hill, true, yes, But 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.679 when you did the episode prior, I think at your 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.280 music video when you got in the red portion took off, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.720 I thought, oh my gosh, she got in the like 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:23.119 prop car and peeled out. I didn't realize it was 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.720 your own car. That makes a lot more sense. But 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.720 when you guys are in traffic and you Haley just 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.800 randomly gets out of the car and and Nathan doesn't 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.679 even think twice. He's like, Okay, this seems like the 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.080 responsible thing to do. Two lane road. I'm just gonna 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.399 leave my Porsche right in the middle of it. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:46.080 It's so good. It's such a great husband, like here, moment, move, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:46.960 that's it. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.520 And he didn't even go like, I'm leaving my car, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.080 you know, like he he didn't burden her. He was like, cool, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.639 this is what we're doing, and I'm here for it. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.920 I think he said, you're right. It's it's a nice 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:03.000 say for walks something. Yeah, you're right, good idea, let's 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.160 stretch those legs. 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.199 They have an exchange later in the episode where I 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.600 think Nathan says to Jamie something to the effect of, 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.760 you know, mom is our everything and right now we 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.320 need to be the everything for mom, or something to 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.760 that effect, and it was very very sweet. You know. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.119 So the whole time, it's I just feel like everyone 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.080 is seen, and especially Haley because that's who the kind 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.600 of the focus is on right now. But it was 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.480 nice to see like an attentive, loving partner. He's not 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.240 forcing it, he's giving it space. He's just being there 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.280 for her, a son who's emotionally attuned enough to go, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.879 my mom's a court low, I'm gonna see if I 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.280 can help out. Yeah, you know, and then Quinn rallies around, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.680 Brooke comes by the house. It was really nice to 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.160 see people rally around someone that they loved going through 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.399 a really difficult season. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:58.560 Actually, in consideration of the Nathan storyline arc since season one, 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.479 it's really beautiful to see the level of maturity that 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.919 he's reached because younger Nathan, even earlier in their marriage, 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:12.520 when when things got hard, Nathan freaked out, he didn't 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.760 know what to do. He would act out, he would 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.159 go like, that's how he got himself ended up in 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.840 a wheelchair, that's how uh. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:20.880 And then. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.920 Well the whole thing with the him not being able 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.240 to go to Duke because of the cheating, like there 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.560 was there were so many moments throughout this the history 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.320 of the show where Nathan freaks out and can't handle 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.840 it and makes bad decisions when things are bad. So 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.359 I especially really loved seeing him step up to the 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.639 plate and made me happy to see his level of maturity. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:51.920 People grow all he grew up. Yeah, what's the other 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.080 what's next? We got We got Clay and Katie, we 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.800 got Brooke and Julian, we have Josh and alex we 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.400 have have Alexander and Victoria. 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.040 Let's do Josh and alex because I feel like that 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.040 one we can we can wrap up pretty quickly, but 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.440 I I there was so I love the dynamic of 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:14.440 the scene where they're about to go on the talk show, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.560 and it's it's that perfect thing where we get to 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:21.440 see that public perception is so often not an indication 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.520 of reality, and in this case it's the happy couple 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.680 that is quietly under their breath, absolutely roasting each other, 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.600 just vitual. What was interesting, though, was that I did 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:37.639 not feel like there was an an equality to the 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:38.960