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Speaker 2: Hi Friends, welcome back. We have Amanda Shule today and
Speaker 2: we're talking all about episode seven one. What's in the
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Speaker 2: do the honors and read the synopsis for us?
Speaker 3: Oh? Nathan struggles to reach an increasingly despondent Haley, while
Speaker 3: Quinn leads Jamie on this is an in it, but
Speaker 3: what an epic Tree Hill treasure hunt? Oh yeah, holy
Speaker 3: col Julian shows his finished film to Brook and Clay
Speaker 3: is for to deal with deranged.
Speaker 4: Katie after he spent the whole Q and A trying
Speaker 4: to humanize her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, de ranged. This was directed by Peter Kowalski. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's get into it, guys. Wow, where do we start?
Speaker 4: What a fun episode.
Speaker 2: It really was. I have to say I was all
Speaker 2: here for this treasure hunt that this was my favorite
Speaker 2: thing in the episode. I just kept waiting for these
Speaker 2: scenes to come back. I was. I loved watching Chantelle
Speaker 2: and Jackson run around Wilmington. You could tell Chantelle was
Speaker 2: having the time of her life. Jackson clearly was too.
Speaker 2: It was such a great idea, and as a parent,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, what didn't I think I hire yes,
Speaker 2: my kids.
Speaker 4: And the choice to open up though on the shot
Speaker 4: of her digging in the woods by herself and having
Speaker 4: the camera at a low angle, Oh yeah, I was like,
Speaker 4: miss is she bearing a body?
Speaker 2: Yes, she preparing to marry a body? What is going on?
Speaker 4: That was a great, great little teaser.
Speaker 3: M Oh yeah. I really enjoyed because she I did
Speaker 3: believe everything that Chantal was saying. I believe it, and
Speaker 3: I loved how she like led him along with it.
Speaker 3: She never did like a wink wink you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was she was at his level, just playing, having fun,
Speaker 3: and that was really enjoyable. But every single time they appeared,
Speaker 3: I was like, she waded into a fountain earlier that
Speaker 3: day for this ye holy cow, she dug She went
Speaker 3: on like a creepy boat, almost like like this is
Speaker 3: like the Aunt of the Year award.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is so chantal too, by the way, I
Speaker 2: mean one hundred percent her personality. She would do that
Speaker 2: without hesitation for anyone she leaves.
Speaker 4: It's so sweet. She goes full out. But it was
Speaker 4: it was so good. We were talking about this last
Speaker 4: episode because there was a scene where Skills took Jamie,
Speaker 4: just the two of them, to have lunch, and I
Speaker 4: was saying, as a parent, it means so much when
Speaker 4: you see another adult actually invest in your child and
Speaker 4: show up for your child, And so I was saying
Speaker 4: it was for me as a viewer and as a dad.
Speaker 4: I watched it, and I because I've been sort of
Speaker 4: upset with Skills lately from some of his behavior in
Speaker 4: the way he's treating his friends and Lauren, and then
Speaker 4: that scene happened. I was like, well, Okay, you're all right,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 3: Isn't it interesting how it colors everything you see now
Speaker 3: as a parent, like you see the world through a
Speaker 3: different lens. You're watching television that's not children's television or
Speaker 3: like anything specifically kid related. Either you're watching it and
Speaker 3: seeing it and appreciating it differently, and now you have
Speaker 3: like a new fondness for a character of your own offspring.
Speaker 4: And to see that Quinn put listen. It would have
Speaker 4: been enough if she just showed up with goonies. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was like, Hey, this is something important to me
Speaker 4: that I think you might like. Let's have this experience together.
Speaker 4: That would have been great. But the fact that she did,
Speaker 4: I mean, let's be honest, that's about a whole day's
Speaker 4: worth of work. Yeah, prior to give him that experience,
Speaker 4: because that's what kids remember, you know. It's not so
Speaker 4: much the gifts as is the experience is like he's
Speaker 4: going to remember that for the rest of his life.
Speaker 4: That was just I mean, what a great way to
Speaker 4: show a character's character. M Yeah, I loved it, and
Speaker 4: I agree. It was also fun as heck, I love
Speaker 4: the movie or the Goonies personally, so like you, I
Speaker 4: was on board for all of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, epic, epic treasure hunt, Quinn saving the day.
Speaker 4: How about the opposite of Quinn. Yeah, I think we're
Speaker 4: falling apart. That was another shade of it was that
Speaker 4: it wasn't just Quinn being a great mom. It was
Speaker 4: her taking the temperature of the room and realizing that
Speaker 4: she needed to kind of step in and you know
Speaker 4: and be there while while Haley was sort of absent, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Not needing to talk about it either. That That's also
Speaker 3: kind of something lovely that I noticed. It wasn't like, hey,
Speaker 3: so let's sit down and talk about your mom, you
Speaker 3: know which kids. I mean, he's a little bit older,
Speaker 3: but kids don't want to talk about the thing. You know.
Speaker 3: She let him just be a kid, and then he
Speaker 3: guided her back, you know, at the very end, and
Speaker 3: then that beautiful sweet note you know where we all
Speaker 3: just kind of broke a little bit, you know, But
Speaker 3: but it is, it is. It is really different to
Speaker 3: watch it as a parent now, to see an adult
Speaker 3: showing up and not needing it to show up because
Speaker 3: of the thing. I'm just showing up because I love
Speaker 3: this movie and we're just gonna watch this movie. You know.
Speaker 2: That's so true. Kids don't want to talk about the thing,
Speaker 2: and they don't necessarily need to, Like I learned that
Speaker 2: just being a parent. You know that I'm such a
Speaker 2: problem solver. I love to dive into things and dissect
Speaker 2: things and figure out the thing and having a having
Speaker 2: a kid really gave me a new ability to just
Speaker 2: step back and like, we don't have to solve everything
Speaker 2: right now. We don't have to dissect everything right now. Like,
Speaker 2: if there's something you want to talk about, what's the
Speaker 2: what's the most efficient least amount of talking that we
Speaker 2: can do. We can say one or two things to
Speaker 2: each other and then move on. If I've got a
Speaker 2: point to make, I better make it quick, because she
Speaker 2: jumps on me too. She'll be like, Okay, Mom, I'm lost,
Speaker 2: you're boring me. I don't. I'm it's too much. Okay.
Speaker 2: So it takes it's a skill to learn how to
Speaker 2: do that. And I love that Quinn has that skill
Speaker 2: without even being a mom. She she just has that
Speaker 2: instinct to no, we're pals, let's just let's just hang.
Speaker 2: Things get worked out Sometimes just by being in someone's presence,
Speaker 2: you don't always have to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it don't like to talk about it,
Speaker 3: and kids can work through it more easily. I've noticed
Speaker 3: that with my son. First of all, something I've learned
Speaker 3: from him is how to just get over stuff. He
Speaker 3: doesn't dwell on stuff, and he's taught me kind of
Speaker 3: the art of not just forgiveness, but of just yeah,
Speaker 3: people do some creuddy things sometimes, and then it's up
Speaker 3: to you to get over it, you know, And he'll
Speaker 3: just get over it and if he wants to talk
Speaker 3: about it a little bit, you know, and I'll say
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that I got upset earlier. I was really
Speaker 3: frustrated and I was in a rush or you know,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and he's like, it's okay. Where rather
Speaker 3: than just dwelling on it and being like, yes when
Speaker 3: you got up, you know, he's just he's a kid,
Speaker 3: and these little things happen and you just move on.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's partially because of what we were
Speaker 2: talking about earlier about how people, you know, the very
Speaker 2: human nature to want to compartmentalize and reduce people down
Speaker 2: in the moment to whatever the worst moment is that
Speaker 2: as as adults, we feel the need to explain ourselves
Speaker 2: so that we don't get reduced down. And kid kids
Speaker 2: don't have that instinct. It's just like they they can
Speaker 2: see you as a whole picture, and that one little
Speaker 2: thing doesn't follow the whole picture. The way that we
Speaker 2: are we overthinking things like what is that.
Speaker 4: All the time we are all the time we are.
Speaker 4: I mean think I try to remind myself it's like,
Speaker 4: whatever happens, it's all just information, and it's the narrative
Speaker 4: that I choose to hang on it that makes it
Speaker 4: painful or joyful. And I think the thing with kids
Speaker 4: is they're just they're they're not putting a narrative on things.
Speaker 4: It's like that happened, I'm going to feel it and
Speaker 4: then it's gone. Whereas adult it's like I got cut
Speaker 4: off in traffic. What's because that person thinks their time
Speaker 4: is more valuable than mine. They don't care about me.
Speaker 4: They probably think they're better than me. It's like I
Speaker 4: will my brain is a meaning making machine and it
Speaker 4: is constantly telling me a story, and I offer because
Speaker 4: of that story, not so much because of what actually happened,
Speaker 4: you know. And I think kids just they haven't had
Speaker 4: that drama yet, they haven't had whatever had to develop
Speaker 4: the coping mechanism yet, so they're just like, cool, you
Speaker 4: did that thing, it's dunk. Great, what do we have
Speaker 4: to lunch?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And they take you at your word too, like if
Speaker 2: I do something that is, if I am dismissive or
Speaker 2: I don't pay attention to her in a moment when
Speaker 2: she is asking me to and then I forget what
Speaker 2: she said. When I apologize, they it's okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Thank you some of your apology, accept it and move on. Yes, man, Hey, hey,
Speaker 3: can the three of us make a pact that we
Speaker 3: are going to accept apologies and move the f on? Yes,
Speaker 3: at least the next month. Let's work on the next one.
Speaker 3: Can we do that?
Speaker 4: Guys, we're like the emotional goonies. Okay, we're going on
Speaker 4: our own adventure hoping to find serenity in peace. Yes, Like,
Speaker 4: let's check back in a month. I'm so in for that.
Speaker 4: I'm in it. And I have a note in my phone.
Speaker 4: I have two notes that I keep at the bottom
Speaker 4: of my to do list so I see them every day,
Speaker 4: and one of them is just don't take it all
Speaker 4: so seriously, which I need to remind myself of all
Speaker 4: the time and stop assuming you know how this is
Speaker 4: supposed to go. Yeah, good, because it's like, but the kids,
Speaker 4: you're right, It's like, just don't take it so seriously
Speaker 4: because in my head it's like, come on, we're gonna
Speaker 4: you know, this isn't when we do bath times. It's
Speaker 4: like it's bath time. It's just a bath like it's
Speaker 4: the steaks couldn't be lower. You're just tired and you
Speaker 4: haven't had a meal in eight hours. Have a snack,
Speaker 4: take a breath.
Speaker 3: It's all okay, the stakes couldn't below.
Speaker 2: I see it. But it really grows in us the
Speaker 2: older we get. You know, my daughter's thirteen. Now I
Speaker 2: can see in her and her friends the fear around
Speaker 2: school around you know, even if something as simple as
Speaker 2: raising your hand in a classroom, that fear grows in us.
Speaker 2: It's not that wasn't there when she was five and
Speaker 2: six in kindergarten, first grade. If she had a question,
Speaker 2: you just raise your hand and you just shout it out.
Speaker 2: And it's the repetitive squashing of curiosity, I think, and
Speaker 2: that grows this sense of fear around oh maybe I.
Speaker 3: And judgment and yes, right, squashing of curiosity and also
Speaker 3: the judgment like, well, people might think I'm silly or
Speaker 3: stupid for asking this question, or you know this, my
Speaker 3: son will just hear music and just break into dance. Yeah,
Speaker 3: probably won't do that his whole life, right, No, because
Speaker 3: he's going to feel self conscious at a certain point.
Speaker 2: And the sense of with good classroom stuff with worrying
Speaker 2: about am I am I going to get a good grade?
Speaker 2: Am I going to do well in the test? And
Speaker 2: there's so much pressure and there's so much stress, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's six's and it's eighth grade. Like this
Speaker 2: is when you're learning how to. You can't no one's
Speaker 2: expecting you to do perfectly. This is what life is
Speaker 2: for right now, is learning how to how to make
Speaker 2: mistakes and be okay with it and forgive yourself and
Speaker 2: forgive other people, and like this is what we should
Speaker 2: be learning. But this standard of perfection that they're always
Speaker 2: trying to hit.
Speaker 3: But that's also I mean, kids are sponges and they
Speaker 3: reflect everything we do. So they'll see I mean once
Speaker 3: they get out of the home and they see other
Speaker 3: adults doing that too, but they just want to mimic everything, right,
Speaker 3: So if they see us judging things, and if they
Speaker 3: see us, you know, second guessing our behavior, they're going
Speaker 3: to do the exact same thing. Yeah, my son is
Speaker 3: like the most resilient human I have ever seen in
Speaker 3: my entire life. And I would love to take credit
Speaker 3: for it, but I can't. It's like he's not Kids
Speaker 3: are naturally resilient, you know, yeah, like, oh I messed
Speaker 3: up on this, but that's okay. I can still do
Speaker 3: this and he'll turn it into something else. Is it'll
Speaker 3: drawing or whatever it is, Like maybe all have that
Speaker 3: outlook on our own lives, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're seeing it in Jamie in this episode too.
Speaker 2: He's just well bouncing back, but isn't it.
Speaker 4: It was so heartbreaking though, because so he walks out
Speaker 4: when Haley sort of just despondent by the pool, and
Speaker 4: he says, MoMA, I made my own breakfast and cleaned
Speaker 4: everything up, and I don't even think Haley makes eye
Speaker 4: contact with him. She just says, what do you want
Speaker 4: a gold star? And it was so sad on two fronts.
Speaker 4: One that obviously you know that he's just being admonished,
Speaker 4: you know, and discarded, is so sad. But it's also
Speaker 4: sad because at that young of an age, I don't
Speaker 4: know where the line is between caring about someone and
Speaker 4: feeling responsible for someone else's feelings, because a child should
Speaker 4: never feel responsible for their parents' feelings. Yeah, like it
Speaker 4: is not my kid's job to regulate my mood and
Speaker 4: my feelings. My child is not responsible for my happiness,
Speaker 4: and so there was a pot So I think just
Speaker 4: because I also had that in me, I watched it
Speaker 4: and I was like, ooh, I love that you love
Speaker 4: your mom. But I also it's a bummer that you're
Speaker 4: eight and you are trying to fix her happiness. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a that's a weight a child should never carry,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I think it's such a natural inclination that and that
Speaker 2: has to be taught because empathy is I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what grows in us as we get older. So I
Speaker 2: think it's beautiful that he was feeling that way. But
Speaker 2: that would have been the moment if Haley was in
Speaker 2: her right mind to say, hey, but you don't have
Speaker 2: to do things to make me feel better. And I
Speaker 2: hope you know that, you know, because the instinct for
Speaker 2: him to do that because like I care about my mom.
Speaker 2: What do I think would make her happy? It's the
Speaker 2: same thing I do for my friends. Like if my
Speaker 2: friends having a bad day, I'm like, what would make her?
Speaker 2: What would make her happy? Like I'm going to send
Speaker 2: her a little juice delivery. Maybe I'll just pick her
Speaker 2: up and take her to the taker shopping or whatever
Speaker 2: like you know, So those but there is a line
Speaker 2: and those are the teachable moments, and it was heartbreaking
Speaker 2: that Haley wasn't able to acknowledge that in that moment
Speaker 2: and actually kind of go the opposite direction.
Speaker 4: Yes, and you're right, because kids they're just they sort
Speaker 4: of repeat the behavior they've been modeled. And obviously Nathan
Speaker 4: and Haley are a good couple. They're in tune with
Speaker 4: each other, and so, yeah, you're right, and that's probably
Speaker 4: just what it was, was him doing what he has
Speaker 4: seen happen in the household, in the family. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that she she shut it down, because you're right, it
Speaker 4: would have been a perfect teachable moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's okay to do things too, but just
Speaker 2: as long as you're not doing it so that I'll
Speaker 2: be happy, Like that's that's and that's the moment. But yeah,
Speaker 2: she just couldn't. And I was thinking, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that hit me so hard, and thinking about what frame
Speaker 2: of mind would Haley be in, Like where did I
Speaker 2: go to justify that? And I think it was I
Speaker 2: think it was the idea that it's like, you're why
Speaker 2: is everyone expecting? Like I can see it from where
Speaker 2: Hayley's brain was in that moment, the idea that you're
Speaker 2: supposed to clean your room, Like, why are you coming
Speaker 2: to me for accolades for doing your chore?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Just do what you're supposed to do. I'm not justifying
Speaker 2: her answer. I think it was appalling, but also appropriate
Speaker 2: for the character in the moment and good for character flaws. Well.
Speaker 3: Sometimes as a mom though, you feel like everyone expects
Speaker 3: something from you. Yeah, and they could also be that
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, great, you're supposed to do that. What
Speaker 3: do you want? What do you want from yeah?
Speaker 2: The exhaustion? Yeah, yeah, I think maybe I relate to that,
Speaker 2: Like I feel that in life sometimes do you guys
Speaker 2: ever feel that when people somebody you can tell somebody
Speaker 2: is just really trying to gain your approval. It's like,
Speaker 2: what do you want from me?
Speaker 4: And when you're emotionally tapped out, all you want is
Speaker 4: to have people not need stuff from you. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: even if they do you reporting back something favorable when
Speaker 4: you know they are also looking for a response, that
Speaker 4: in itself can be just tiring and frustrating. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, so you did the dishes so that
Speaker 2: you could get me to congratulate you for doing the dishes,
Speaker 2: So you still need something from me. It wasn't just
Speaker 2: you doing something to make me happy or to like
Speaker 2: make my life easier. You're looking for something in it,
Speaker 2: which is an adult relationship issue, not apparent child relationship.
Speaker 3: God, people are such jerks. What a bunch of jerks we.
Speaker 4: Are speaking of jerks. I loved the way that both
Speaker 4: Nathan though and Jamie really tried to rally around Haley,
Speaker 4: and to the point where when they are in traffic
Speaker 4: Nathan and Haley. By the way, I had forgotten that
Speaker 4: Nathan had bought the red Porsche episode. So when you
Speaker 4: when Haley take car in Tree Hill, true, yes, But
Speaker 4: when you did the episode prior, I think at your
Speaker 4: music video when you got in the red portion took off,
Speaker 4: I thought, oh my gosh, she got in the like
Speaker 4: prop car and peeled out. I didn't realize it was
Speaker 4: your own car. That makes a lot more sense. But
Speaker 4: when you guys are in traffic and you Haley just
Speaker 4: randomly gets out of the car and and Nathan doesn't
Speaker 4: even think twice. He's like, Okay, this seems like the
Speaker 4: responsible thing to do. Two lane road. I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: leave my Porsche right in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's such a great husband, like here, moment, move,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 4: And he didn't even go like, I'm leaving my car,
Speaker 4: you know, like he he didn't burden her. He was like, cool,
Speaker 4: this is what we're doing, and I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: I think he said, you're right. It's it's a nice
Speaker 3: say for walks something. Yeah, you're right, good idea, let's
Speaker 3: stretch those legs.
Speaker 4: They have an exchange later in the episode where I
Speaker 4: think Nathan says to Jamie something to the effect of,
Speaker 4: you know, mom is our everything and right now we
Speaker 4: need to be the everything for mom, or something to
Speaker 4: that effect, and it was very very sweet. You know.
Speaker 4: So the whole time, it's I just feel like everyone
Speaker 4: is seen, and especially Haley because that's who the kind
Speaker 4: of the focus is on right now. But it was
Speaker 4: nice to see like an attentive, loving partner. He's not
Speaker 4: forcing it, he's giving it space. He's just being there
Speaker 4: for her, a son who's emotionally attuned enough to go,
Speaker 4: my mom's a court low, I'm gonna see if I
Speaker 4: can help out. Yeah, you know, and then Quinn rallies around,
Speaker 4: Brooke comes by the house. It was really nice to
Speaker 4: see people rally around someone that they loved going through
Speaker 4: a really difficult season.
Speaker 2: Actually, in consideration of the Nathan storyline arc since season one,
Speaker 2: it's really beautiful to see the level of maturity that
Speaker 2: he's reached because younger Nathan, even earlier in their marriage,
Speaker 2: when when things got hard, Nathan freaked out, he didn't
Speaker 2: know what to do. He would act out, he would
Speaker 2: go like, that's how he got himself ended up in
Speaker 2: a wheelchair, that's how uh.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: Well the whole thing with the him not being able
Speaker 2: to go to Duke because of the cheating, like there
Speaker 2: was there were so many moments throughout this the history
Speaker 2: of the show where Nathan freaks out and can't handle
Speaker 2: it and makes bad decisions when things are bad. So
Speaker 2: I especially really loved seeing him step up to the
Speaker 2: plate and made me happy to see his level of maturity.
Speaker 2: People grow all he grew up. Yeah, what's the other
Speaker 2: what's next? We got We got Clay and Katie, we
Speaker 2: got Brooke and Julian, we have Josh and alex we
Speaker 2: have have Alexander and Victoria.
Speaker 4: Let's do Josh and alex because I feel like that
Speaker 4: one we can we can wrap up pretty quickly, but
Speaker 4: I I there was so I love the dynamic of
Speaker 4: the scene where they're about to go on the talk show,
Speaker 4: and it's it's that perfect thing where we get to
Speaker 4: see that public perception is so often not an indication
Speaker 4: of reality, and in this case it's the happy couple
Speaker 4: that is quietly under their breath, absolutely roasting each other,
Speaker 4: just vitual. What was interesting, though, was that I did
Speaker 4: not feel like there was an an equality to the
Speaker 4: severity of their burns.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, makes a horrible comment to her, and her
Speaker 5: retort is, you have bad breath, And I thought those
Speaker 5: two are not in the same league.
Speaker 4: Not okay, and then and then they go. Then My
Speaker 4: other comment was there, they are already promoting a movie
Speaker 4: that has not even been color timed, finished editing, like it.
Speaker 2: Didn't even get into the festival yet.
Speaker 4: It's conceivably like six months away from being locked, and
Speaker 4: they are on a talk show promoting it.
Speaker 2: Those publicists are working.
Speaker 3: But aren't they aren't they also doing damage control from
Speaker 3: the other movie?
Speaker 4: Yeah they are. It's just funny that the host is like,
Speaker 4: these love birds have a movie coming out, and they
Speaker 4: also have a movie already out, and it's like Ross
Speaker 4: I don't know when promoted a movie that they wrapped
Speaker 4: four days prior, But my god.
Speaker 2: Did you guys also talk about last week that the
Speaker 2: moment where Alex tells Julian I released the tape because
Speaker 2: I wanted you to know that I support you and
Speaker 2: I did this come up? Please tell me you guys
Speaker 2: addressed this.
Speaker 4: Gosh, yes, I had a huge we both we both
Speaker 4: went in on this.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm glad. I'll listen to it. I haven't
Speaker 2: heard it yet. I don't want to rehash everything for
Speaker 2: people who've already listened.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was terribly misguided. There was a lot
Speaker 4: of Alex falling on the sword that just didn't make sense,
Speaker 4: and a lot of downplaying of what happened to Alex
Speaker 4: in that tape that got was treated lighthearted, as if
Speaker 4: it wasn't a big deal. So yeah, we spent a
Speaker 4: good amount of time, okay, talking about how that didn't
Speaker 4: quite sit right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now we're still dealing with the aftermath of that.
Speaker 2: In a sort of tongue in cheek ha ha. Well
Speaker 2: let's make the best of it kind of way. But
Speaker 2: I do enjoy watching the two of them. I mean
Speaker 2: it's really it's really fun to see them, to see
Speaker 2: any couple that has chemistry, watching them hate each other
Speaker 2: and then play like they love each other. It's kind
Speaker 2: of a fun device.
Speaker 4: Also to your point about how it was the way,
Speaker 4: it's just sort of the whole tape thing got like
Speaker 4: laughed at and downplayed. There's a scene in the episode
Speaker 4: where it's after the talk show appearance. Alex goes to
Speaker 4: trick Chase, our favorite bartender, apparently the only bartender outside
Speaker 4: of Grabs and Olive Tree Hill. But that's great, I'll
Speaker 4: take all the Stephen Clady I can get. But it's like,
Speaker 4: can we get him in a scene outside of the
Speaker 4: bar soon? But anyways, he's there and he's sulking because
Speaker 4: we find out me I broke up with him over
Speaker 4: text message bummer, and Alex is sulking and she says,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm having a bad day.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: He's like, you're in a relations what do you have
Speaker 4: to complain about? And he's like, the talk show's currently on,
Speaker 4: and she's like it's fake. It's all because of the
Speaker 4: sex tape. And Chase doesn't even look up at her
Speaker 4: and goes, yeah, seeing it, you're prettier in person, dude.
Speaker 4: What First of all, Chase has been a sensitive guy.
Speaker 4: He has showed a lot of heart up to this point,
Speaker 4: and I just thought that was the most inappropriate dismissive comment.
Speaker 4: How you could casually say no, Yeah, I watched the
Speaker 4: sex tape you're in and it's like I had to
Speaker 4: pause it and rewinding because I thought for sure I
Speaker 4: misheard what he said. Nope, with the subtitles on, that's
Speaker 4: what he said, the subtitle song. What is that?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: This is the stuff that frustrated me behind the scenes
Speaker 2: on our show is when they started giving lines of
Speaker 2: dialogue like that. Our boss would start giving lines of
Speaker 2: dialogue like that to actors who were not series regulars
Speaker 2: and who didn't really have the ability to say, you
Speaker 2: know what, this doesn't feel right, like this not only
Speaker 2: does this not connect with my character, but it's degrading
Speaker 2: and like, I don't think that's what we're trying to
Speaker 2: do on this show. Is there something else I can say?
Speaker 2: Is there another way we could phrase this? They those
Speaker 2: actors weren't in a position to speak up and say
Speaker 2: anything like that because there was this looming threat of like, oh,
Speaker 2: if you say anything other than exactly what's on the page,
Speaker 2: or even have a question about it, like we'll just
Speaker 2: replace you. We don't need you on this show. We'll
Speaker 2: bring in another person to fill in our huge cast.
Speaker 3: May I say, as a guest star, not necessarily on
Speaker 3: this show, but I have been lucky enough to be
Speaker 3: a guest star on a lot of other shows. You're
Speaker 3: you're just sitting at the table for the day. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not your class, you know, you're just it's somebody
Speaker 3: else's house, and you just kind of do what you're told.
Speaker 3: And I know I, personally, especially at that point in
Speaker 3: my career, wouldn't have felt comfortable if I had had
Speaker 3: the opportunity to, you know, to have dialogue that felt
Speaker 3: dismissive or unkind or sexist or bigoted or you know whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, fill in the blank. I wouldn't have felt
Speaker 3: comfortable just because maybe that is the tone of the
Speaker 3: show and I just don't understand maybe that is where
Speaker 3: they want to go. And for the reason that you
Speaker 3: just said, also, you know the retribution personally that you
Speaker 3: you my face. But there were definitely times when I
Speaker 3: was a guest on a show and I'd be like, well,
Speaker 3: not what I would say personally, But it's their show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just show up, stay my langes lines, stand on my mark.
Speaker 2: I find that so unfortunate though, because the nature of
Speaker 2: acting is exploration and play, and there should be a
Speaker 2: space for everyone to come to the table with their
Speaker 2: own ideas rather than just showing up and sitting there
Speaker 2: and saying the lines. And I understand the pace of
Speaker 2: TV that we don't have a lot of time to
Speaker 2: sit and explore everyone's thoughts and ideas, but also like
Speaker 2: you should have the phone number of the person who
Speaker 2: is in charge, to the director or the producer whoever,
Speaker 2: And hey, I'm just thinking about this, Like there should
Speaker 2: be a space of, I mean, an attitude of creativity
Speaker 2: and collaboration on every set. I think it would be
Speaker 2: so much more healthy and you'd probably get better performances
Speaker 2: from everyone across the board any show. And if the
Speaker 2: answers no, the answers no. But to not be able
Speaker 2: to ask a question, to not be able to like
Speaker 2: raise the idea of could this go a different way?
Speaker 2: Like I'm wondering about this. I'm wondering about that. I
Speaker 2: know I've been a guest star too, I know how
Speaker 2: that feels. It's like, oh, it's uncomfortable, but I think
Speaker 2: people should feel like they they can do that because
Speaker 2: the work turns out better when you do. But it's
Speaker 2: usually a power trip, you know the thing. It's hard
Speaker 2: to find that it's.
Speaker 4: And it's so hard to do when you're the guest
Speaker 4: star because, like Amanda said, you are a visitor at
Speaker 4: the dinner party. You're a guest. Yeah, you don't live there.
Speaker 4: And it's also it's kind of not barring something like
Speaker 4: wildly egregious. You know, it's it's not really the response.
Speaker 4: It's not fair for the responsibility to be on the
Speaker 4: guest star because you don't know what's been happening in
Speaker 4: all of the episodes prior that haven't aired. You don't
Speaker 4: know if there's been a tonal shift lately. So it's
Speaker 4: it's hard. It's hard for you to be the one
Speaker 4: sort of deciding whether it's too far or not. Like
Speaker 4: that that's the case when you know the onset producer
Speaker 4: in an ideal world who has a firm grasp on
Speaker 4: the tone and the stories goes yeah yeah, Like as
Speaker 4: the guest are you're kind of like the best question
Speaker 4: you can ask is this seems a little harsh. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and Hope the director who's also just a
Speaker 4: guest star, you know, goes, yes, here's why, you know,
Speaker 4: But it's TV. When you're making it's different when you
Speaker 4: do like a movie. Right, it gets collaborative with the
Speaker 4: right crew because it's a short sprint. When you're doing
Speaker 4: twenty four episodes a year, it very quickly turns into
Speaker 4: a factory where every directors are just trying to make
Speaker 4: a day. People are just trying to do it, and
Speaker 4: so it's not an environment at all that's conducive to going.
Speaker 4: Can we circle up and talk about this, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. But Stephen COLLETTI was and maybe
Speaker 2: that's true for you're popping in for one episode, like
Speaker 2: I get that, but Stephen was around. I mean, he
Speaker 2: was a staple on the show. He wasn't a series regular,
Speaker 2: but he was technically a guest are recurring. But also
Speaker 2: still in this position where I don't think there was
Speaker 2: a culture on our show of collaboration, especially unless you
Speaker 2: were a series regular, and then you could, you know,
Speaker 2: you had the space to push back. So I hope anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I hope that that culture of collaboration
Speaker 2: and creativity is something that there are producers out there
Speaker 2: who are looking for and trying to create in their environments.
Speaker 2: And I bet that's why lines like this slipped through
Speaker 2: the cracks, because it isn't in keeping with Chase's character.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, you know, it's the only thing
Speaker 2: I could come up with with. Why Stephen wouldn't have
Speaker 2: changed it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows. Maybe he did change it and that's
Speaker 3: just not the take they used.
Speaker 2: Oh that's true too, Yeah, you know what that often happens.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, try it your way. Just let's do it
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 4: Let's do one is scripted, and then we can let's
Speaker 4: go with what you have. Ye did I have a
Speaker 4: roll on the second tape. Let's get to some of
Speaker 4: the real fun, juicy stuff involving yourself. I had this thought,
Speaker 4: so when Clay sees the grape juice in the fridge,
Speaker 4: because this is one of the things I vaguely remember
Speaker 4: because at first I thought, why is Clay looking at
Speaker 4: the grape juice like it's a childhood bully? And then
Speaker 4: I remembered, and I thought, listen. And then there's the
Speaker 4: next scene where he comes home and Katie's doing dishes.
Speaker 4: No one wants a stalker, obviously, Yeah, horrendous, But hear
Speaker 4: me out, a stalker who makes your favorite drink, so
Speaker 4: it's ready for you chewing in the fridge when you
Speaker 4: come home and does your dishes, you know. So it's
Speaker 4: not all bad that storm cloud houses silver lining on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thoughts, I'm not arguing that.
Speaker 2: I wondered for a minute if Clay was going to
Speaker 2: buy it only a little like you were so convincing, Amanda,
Speaker 2: you're very good. I did wonder if Clay was going
Speaker 2: to be like, am I crazy?
Speaker 3: Well, there's a mislead at the very end, not to
Speaker 3: jump ahead when we as an audience are supposed to
Speaker 3: think that he did buy it, right, Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: it's my wife, you know. And and so there is
Speaker 3: that that that at the very end. But in that moment, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can see if you come home a little unsettling.
Speaker 3: The door isn't broken somehow, master lock bicker, but in
Speaker 3: there doing the dishes and like frying up eggs or
Speaker 3: you know whatever, not the worst thing to come home too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she didn't make a mess. She tied it up.
Speaker 4: You pay people to do that. Yeah, he's a bit ungrateful,
Speaker 4: is what I'm saying. I mean, she didn't have a
Speaker 4: stalker buddy, could show a little gratitude.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I had this conversation with Sophia last week where it's
Speaker 4: this really funny thing that our show does, but also
Speaker 4: I think a lot of shows and movies do where
Speaker 4: there is this weird thing that happens when a character
Speaker 4: goes off the deep end. They not only go a
Speaker 4: bit cracker Jacks, but they also simultaneously become an expert
Speaker 4: lock pick, lock picker and cat burglar. Where it's like,
Speaker 4: with with You're crazy, is gonna come some incredible sleuthing
Speaker 4: and lock picking. Because all of a sudden, Katie is
Speaker 4: scaling second story balconies, she is expertly getting into the
Speaker 4: house undetected. She's getting back an alarm system the art gallery.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know how a tennis player is
Speaker 4: suddenly new, but I just like that we all make
Speaker 4: this leap in logic where it's like, well, guys, she's
Speaker 4: she's gone cuckoo for cocoa puff, so clearly she can
Speaker 4: pick a lock and hack an alarm system.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that you're seeing it so one sidedly you're
Speaker 3: not her first victim.
Speaker 4: Play was her first and only room.
Speaker 3: Sorry, that's fair.
Speaker 4: It's a fair point to Clay. Wow, hard truths being
Speaker 4: shared on this episode of Drama Queens. You played it great, though.
Speaker 4: I mean there's some really awesome scenes in seven twenty
Speaker 4: between you and Quinn at the art gallery where you're
Speaker 4: just there. I think there's there is a an inexperienced
Speaker 4: actors choice when they're told to play a character who's
Speaker 4: unhinged to do more and to be bigger, and I
Speaker 4: think there's a power and doing less. And that's what
Speaker 4: you did in the art gallery with Quinn, especially when
Speaker 4: you kind of corner her in the back room. There
Speaker 4: is a real ominous feeling throughout that whole scene where
Speaker 4: she's sort of the trapped prey and you're the predator,
Speaker 4: and your stillness works so well for creating such an uncomfortable,
Speaker 4: tense feeling.
Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you. I think that people who are
Speaker 3: more contained are way less scarier than those who like
Speaker 3: somebody like a fighter, you know, like a physical fighter
Speaker 3: who can channel and focus all of their energy, so
Speaker 3: their outbursts are like a viper. You know, you don't
Speaker 3: expect it as opposed to somebody who shows their cards,
Speaker 3: you know, and is flailing all around. It's way scarier
Speaker 3: to have the rage simmering, you know, and where it's
Speaker 3: not on display and you don't know what the next
Speaker 3: move is going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an unpredictability.
Speaker 3: That's the better word for it.
Speaker 4: So let's continue then with it, because it does not disappoint.
Speaker 4: The crazy train stays on the rails, picks up some speed.
Speaker 4: Clay gets a phone call and I was very confused
Speaker 4: as to why that phone call wouldn't be because it's
Speaker 4: from the police, obviously saying this. Gal says she knows you.
Speaker 4: She's hanging from a bridge, which, by the way, a
Speaker 4: bridge that is definitely not high enough to do bodily harm.
Speaker 4: At worst you would sprain an ankle or get a
Speaker 4: really bad belly flog. Yeah, but I love that all
Speaker 4: of the police in tree Hill have shown up for
Speaker 4: this potential sprained ankle.
Speaker 3: I don't Also, by the way, that was way lower
Speaker 3: than the bridge that you and I jumped off.
Speaker 4: Yes, it wasn't the same bridge, No, oh no, because
Speaker 4: the one we jumped off was a proper bridge. This
Speaker 4: was a pier.
Speaker 2: Oh right, Why didn't they send you guys to the
Speaker 2: same bridge. Wouldn't that have been kind of the point
Speaker 2: with Katie?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she would have survived that one. I guess
Speaker 3: maybe the thought is that she'd time it with the
Speaker 3: tide so that it would be it would wash.
Speaker 4: But if that's the case, don't show the whole pier
Speaker 4: in a master shot. Yeah, never show us that, just
Speaker 4: and let us fill in the blank, and we will
Speaker 4: paint a much higher peer in our imagination. So the
Speaker 4: fact that you would be hanging the outside of it
Speaker 4: and anyone would be like, ma'am, you could hurt yourself
Speaker 4: falling fifteen feet into water, are you okay? You know,
Speaker 4: like it was so confusing. But the fact that Clay
Speaker 4: gets a call from all of the police departments saying
Speaker 4: you gotta come quick. This gal's twenty feet up in
Speaker 4: the air above water, and he doesn't go no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: she's my stalker. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck, guys. Bye.
Speaker 3: He wants the notebook back, okay.
Speaker 4: See that's fair. And I also think it's one of
Speaker 4: those moments of just getting to see Clay's character and
Speaker 4: that he sees beyond the unhinged behavior and he sees
Speaker 4: a person underneath and he's choosing to show up for
Speaker 4: that person, which I thought very compassionate. Right, So he
Speaker 4: plays along, he does the ruse. Katie is supposedly gonna
Speaker 4: get help, but when they yeah, but when then they
Speaker 4: cut to the master and you can see that the
Speaker 4: pier is like, at best twenty feet above water. I
Speaker 4: was like, what if it is low tide, then why
Speaker 4: not have her go on the ledge of a building?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: It was just it was odd, it was.
Speaker 2: Pretty, it was pretty. There was something sort of sadly
Speaker 2: romantic about the whole thing. I really it broke my heart.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you let her go into the arms
Speaker 2: of the police and you're like, it's gonna be okay,
Speaker 2: They're going to help you. I guess I felt maybe
Speaker 2: maybe he felt the the sting of having to send Sarah,
Speaker 2: like he knows it's not Sarah, but she looks so
Speaker 2: much like him. Is there a part of you that
Speaker 2: felt like you had to or that Clay had to
Speaker 2: wrestle with that, or were you in full like she's
Speaker 2: fully crazy the whole thing, And I was just putting
Speaker 2: my own interpretation on that.
Speaker 4: I think it was Clay was grieving, and I think
Speaker 4: there is one form of grieving, which is just avoidance.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, Uh, I just remember thinking that
Speaker 4: it's it's not easy for Clay because he's not actively
Speaker 4: facing it every day, like he's sort of doing a
Speaker 4: slow grieving, But having to play this game with Katie
Speaker 4: is really bringing it right up to the forefront and
Speaker 4: having to say things aloud like Sarah died, She's not
Speaker 4: here anymore. Oh, He's like he is having to echo
Speaker 4: the painful truths that he may not wanting to be
Speaker 4: facing every day.
Speaker 3: So Katie is actually facilitating his recovery.
Speaker 4: Keisha, I'm telling you, did I not say five minutes ago?
Speaker 4: He should have a little more gratitude for Katy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she does the dishes and she helps with mental
Speaker 3: health on your side, not so much hers.
Speaker 4: For her, she's selfless. She's a really good friend if
Speaker 4: we think about it. She makes his favorite juice, she
Speaker 4: cleans his house, she helps his emotional and mental well being.
Speaker 4: And how does he say thank you? He gets her
Speaker 4: locked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay's the.
Speaker 4: Villain in this story. I think we're finding out guys clearly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a plot twist we're just discovering now.
Speaker 4: I can't wait for the spinoff of Katie in her
Speaker 4: roommate just doing whatever they do.
Speaker 3: The things we did for those ungrateful men.
Speaker 4: It's going to be good.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 4: Speaking of good, I loved Alexander and Victoria's storyline the
Speaker 4: whole episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 4: They have been so fun to watch. And I was
Speaker 4: worried that when Brooke called out Victoria last episode and
Speaker 4: she goes, oh, so you're not ashamed of this, I
Speaker 4: thought that was going to be the end of it.
Speaker 4: I thought, as soon as the cat's out of the bag,
Speaker 4: the fund's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But the fact that she's into him and he's into
Speaker 4: her and now they're talking about doing clothes or excuse
Speaker 4: me close four bros in New York together. I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sweet.
Speaker 4: The only thing I didn't like about it was that
Speaker 4: it makes me sad because does that mean we're going
Speaker 4: to be seeing less Victoria in future episodes?
Speaker 2: You know? I think so? I think it does. I know.
Speaker 2: She's so good. Oh man, I remember doing that scene
Speaker 2: with her too, The scene.
Speaker 6: Oh that was a beautiful scene and her bros where
Speaker 6: she just sits me down and talks about my mother
Speaker 6: and what my mother would want for me as Haley.
Speaker 2: I remember shooting that scene with Daphne. Daphnie and I
Speaker 2: were getting close at the time, like we were really
Speaker 2: spending a lot more time together off behind the scenes
Speaker 2: as well, having dinners and just running errands together, and
Speaker 2: she was becoming a mentor for.
Speaker 3: Me, and.
Speaker 2: Which I desperately needed at that time in my life.
Speaker 2: And so that scene holds a special place in my
Speaker 2: heart because I remember it feeling very similar to a
Speaker 2: lot of conversations as she and I were having offline,
Speaker 2: you know, off screen. She's such a wonderful woman, like
Speaker 2: really deep, soulful, brilliant woman, and I love seeing that
Speaker 2: come out in Victoria finally too, who we never expected
Speaker 2: that from.
Speaker 3: I also really appreciated that your character didn't respond, that
Speaker 3: it wasn't just a sudden light bulb moment where she
Speaker 3: writers felt compelled to make you say, Okay, I get
Speaker 3: it now, because her words were so sage that another
Speaker 3: script could have the light bulb moment you get it
Speaker 3: and then be just fine, you know, and that's not
Speaker 3: what it was. You processed it, but you were still
Speaker 3: angry at the world, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it still gives us somewhere to go.
Speaker 4: The softer side of Victoria has been so much fun
Speaker 4: to watch come to light and the way she has
Speaker 4: shown up for Brook throughout the season and then Millie
Speaker 4: and now Haley, and it was the perfect thing. It's
Speaker 4: kind of like Amanda saying there was such a finesse
Speaker 4: to the scene in that it wasn't forced. Victoria started
Speaker 4: by being like, you want to snap at each other,
Speaker 4: I can play this game. I'm better than you. In fact,
Speaker 4: sit down, And then when she sits down, she's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna hit you with some mom truths and
Speaker 4: some love, you know. And it's not a hard cell.
Speaker 4: She's just telling her what is and then she's not
Speaker 4: looking for a response, and to the scene's credit, she
Speaker 4: doesn't get it. Yeah, there's nothing forced. Also, before anyone
Speaker 4: comes from me in the comments, I apologize it was
Speaker 4: not grape juice, Clay's favorite drink. Apparently it was grape
Speaker 4: kool aid, because I surely would have been roasted for that,
Speaker 4: So that's right, noted fixed.
Speaker 2: Also seeing Brooke respond to Victoria, just emotionally being able
Speaker 2: to watch her mom be a mom, like show up
Speaker 2: as a mom for somebody else. It looked like it
Speaker 2: was really healing for Brook's heart to know that her
Speaker 2: mom has that capacity, and you know, to see the
Speaker 2: arc of their relationship over the course of the last
Speaker 2: few seasons that she she also has grown and arrived
Speaker 2: in this place where she's much more open hearted and
Speaker 2: willing to be vulnerable. I really loved that, And I
Speaker 2: think Brooke is getting so much right now. It's really
Speaker 2: nice to see after her struggling through so many things
Speaker 2: that finally all the pieces are starting to fall into
Speaker 2: place relationally for her. That does my heart good as
Speaker 2: a fan to watch. It's really cool.
Speaker 4: Huge. We talked about this last episode that was saying,
Speaker 4: it's so nice to get a whole episode of Brilliant
Speaker 4: just being happy, yes, and just delighting in each other
Speaker 4: and having cute date nights and fun bantern being back
Speaker 4: because I'm with you. I'm a big fan of the
Speaker 4: two of them, and yeah, they have just been through it.
Speaker 4: We got an episode without Sophia crying, and I was like,
Speaker 4: it's about I know, and.
Speaker 2: Even though he's made some bad decisions and she's had
Speaker 2: some misunderstandings and reacted poorly to things without asking the
Speaker 2: right questions or whatever, like, it's just normal relationship stuff.
Speaker 2: But I really loved being able to see that work
Speaker 2: through those things instead of what teenagers do, which is
Speaker 2: what we saw for so many years on the show,
Speaker 2: which is just blow up at each other and then
Speaker 2: you break up or you disappear like they're really having
Speaker 2: a very mature adult relationship and not reducing each other
Speaker 2: down to their worst qualities and making space for I
Speaker 2: accept you for who you are. This part of you
Speaker 2: really bothers me, but I can manage it, and we're
Speaker 2: going to grow. We'll grow through it. It's just so adult.
Speaker 4: I love it. Yeah, and the way she is showing
Speaker 4: up for him as a teammate when yes, he's waiting
Speaker 4: to hear about the festival and she's just kind of
Speaker 4: calming and cheering him on.
Speaker 3: You know, well she's also already plugged the name of
Speaker 3: the festival into her phone. I know.
Speaker 2: So sweet.
Speaker 4: She's willing it.
Speaker 5: She is.
Speaker 2: Did we talk about India and grubs yet? Or no,
Speaker 2: Miranda un grubs yet?
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Miranda and grubs.
Speaker 3: That was not the travel outfit I would have chosen
Speaker 3: for an international fight.
Speaker 6: That was the thing that was like, that's perfect.
Speaker 3: No, But that was literally the first thing I thought,
Speaker 3: I was like, that's possible for like a like an
Speaker 3: international that's a long that's a long time to be
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Miranda strikes me as the kind of person who also
Speaker 2: travels with folded, like carefully folded cashmere pajama sweatsuit in
Speaker 2: a silk bag that probably is in her carry on,
Speaker 2: so she'll dip into the first class lou and change.
Speaker 3: Look at you using the lingo.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like this is her vibe. Man.
Speaker 2: I like the device of this as a way to
Speaker 2: get Grubs and Mia together. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: have a romance or if they just start making music together.
Speaker 2: And I can't remember, but I do like this this
Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle. But it's kind of sad. It's like,
Speaker 2: does this also mean India's leaving?
Speaker 4: Is? Yeah? I mean I hope not. But is she
Speaker 4: doing is she pulling a Harry in the Henderson's Is
Speaker 4: she doing the thing with him where at the end
Speaker 4: when she's like, because I don't want you to come,
Speaker 4: because he's like, you didn't ask if i'd go, and
Speaker 4: she screams at him really harshly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was intense.
Speaker 4: Is she doing the Harry and the Henderson thing where
Speaker 4: she really likes him, but she she just knows what's
Speaker 4: better for him.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Purpose would they send him back out into the wilderness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ending scene is Casablanca. Like, I feel like
Speaker 3: we've got Harry and the Henderson because A I've already
Speaker 3: used it on the show, so people have probably googled
Speaker 3: it or they already know it too.
Speaker 4: I have so little original material.
Speaker 3: They went to their local Blockbuster and got their VHS
Speaker 3: and watched it.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: It's the end of it where John Lithgout takes the
Speaker 4: Bigfoot out to the woods because he realized he can't
Speaker 4: have the life he's supposed to have, living a domestic
Speaker 4: life with his family, and Bigfoot's like, what are we
Speaker 4: doing here? And he's like get out of here? Bigfoot?
Speaker 4: Of course it is like no, we're best friends, and
Speaker 4: he's like get and then he goes he hits him,
Speaker 4: and he goes, don't you see we don't watch you here?
Speaker 4: Go in Bigfoot? Of course, it's like, what the hell
Speaker 4: just happened? Fine, and he walks off in nature and
Speaker 4: then Liftgout turns to Cameron and he's a tear rolling
Speaker 4: down his cheek and he's like, goodbye, my friend.
Speaker 2: I don't ever want to watch this show. That sounds terrible.
Speaker 4: Oh you want to hear terrible news. I just found
Speaker 4: out this is India's last episode. What oh on? This
Speaker 4: is how we send her off being rude to sweet
Speaker 4: sweet Grubs.
Speaker 3: Boom is I bet she had something else she was
Speaker 3: going off to do.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she did.
Speaker 3: Yes, she's a very busy working actor, so I'm sure
Speaker 3: that that was the device that exit.
Speaker 2: Yeah had to have been. Yeah, well, I think it
Speaker 2: was that she was just pushing him away, like I
Speaker 2: don't want you to go. I don't I she knew
Speaker 2: that he'd be better off there. He's not gonna he's
Speaker 2: not going to build a whole new start, a whole
Speaker 2: new life, a whole new career in England. And yeah,
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 3: She was John Let though he was Harry. She was
Speaker 3: the Harrison.
Speaker 4: Ugh, you have such dated references, Amanda. Couldn't you've used
Speaker 4: like Casa Blanca or something younger and hipper?
Speaker 3: Gosh, okay, boomer asa Blanc of younger and Hipper. I know, oh,
Speaker 3: I know, that's the magic of your comedy.
Speaker 2: But getting Mia and Grubs into the same room having
Speaker 2: that intro happen. Also a little I was like watching
Speaker 2: her walk in when she just broke up with Chase
Speaker 2: on text message and she still passes through the bar like, hey, sorry,
Speaker 2: I broke up with you, but I do need to
Speaker 2: get into the office, Can I can? I can? I
Speaker 2: just go into the recording.
Speaker 3: Studio real quick?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 4: And also wasn't the whole text like, Hey, this isn't
Speaker 4: fair to either of us. I'm not around, like I'm
Speaker 4: busy away doing stuff. And then she shows up and
Speaker 4: she's like, gotcha, I actually done. Just don't want to
Speaker 4: be your girlfriend. Yeah. It was odd because she when
Speaker 4: they go outside to talk basically just says this is
Speaker 4: better for you. Why you're here now?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, the text message on his phone was clearly
Speaker 2: written on the phone on the phone on his phone
Speaker 2: because it had a cursor at the end of it.
Speaker 2: That I was like, are we not Are we supposed
Speaker 2: to believe that this is the message that Mia sent
Speaker 2: because it's clearly something that he just wrote on his phone.
Speaker 3: He's just writing it over and over again self punishment.
Speaker 4: It did lead to a wonderful scene though, with Julian,
Speaker 4: Alex and Chase where they all come in pretty salty
Speaker 4: and just sort of throwing like barbs at each other.
Speaker 3: And it's no, I'm in more pain.
Speaker 4: The pity pool was crowded that day. And I also
Speaker 4: love though, how it turned into Alex giving Julian a
Speaker 4: reality check sort of a prospective shift and helping him
Speaker 4: see that like, no, man, this is a this is
Speaker 4: a monster win and it felt very genuine and believable.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked it too.
Speaker 4: And then did we find out that he got in?
Speaker 4: At the end? He got a call? Didn't he?
Speaker 2: He said hello? And then that was it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Or did I miss something?
Speaker 4: I think That's all I remember is that she goes, well,
Speaker 4: look who it is or something like that, and he
Speaker 4: answers it. Yeah, but I'm assuming he gets in because
Speaker 4: isn't that why we went to Park City?
Speaker 2: Yes? It is, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, spoiler he got in?
Speaker 3: Alert. Yeah, didn't you all go? Shoot? There? You all
Speaker 3: went on location, didn't you? We did? Yeah? I remember,
Speaker 3: I was. I was disappointed that I wasn't. The more
Speaker 3: pivotal part in.
Speaker 2: That she follows she breaks out of the psychiatric hospital
Speaker 2: and follows him.
Speaker 3: There you go? Yeah, No, I remember you all getting
Speaker 3: ready to go. Oh bummer for.
Speaker 4: Me, I'm excited to see where the Katie stuff goes.
Speaker 4: I remember some of the broad stroke endgame things, but
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't remember the road to getting there.
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't. This has actually been fun
Speaker 2: for me to watch because I definitely did not watch
Speaker 2: these episodes, and especially with everything going on in my
Speaker 2: personal life and then with Katie, I mean sorry, not Katie,
Speaker 2: with Lydia dying and Haley's whole storyline revolving around depression,
Speaker 2: I just was not. I wasn't aware of really anyone
Speaker 2: else's storyline. I would get the scripts at this point
Speaker 2: and read my scenes and make sure that I wasn't.
Speaker 2: You know, whatever I was connected to I understood, but
Speaker 2: everything else I just I didn't have the capacity.
Speaker 3: For during that time. Did you didn't read the scripts holistically?
Speaker 2: No? I was going through such a I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know. I wrote a book about being in
Speaker 2: a cult. So I was the New.
Speaker 4: York Times best selling book about being in a cult.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Darling, Jennifer Vampire, excuse me King, I was
Speaker 3: about to say, please, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yes, that was at the sort of pivotal
Speaker 2: time in my life when everything was really at its
Speaker 2: absolute worst and I was just surviving and on autopilot.
Speaker 2: So I would get the scripts and just didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't have the capacity. I didn't know how to invest
Speaker 2: myself in other people's storylines. I just had to like
Speaker 2: get my scripts, learn my lines, and do enough to
Speaker 2: be professional to show up and still keep my job,
Speaker 2: and then I would get offset and go deal with
Speaker 2: my personal life. And so this has been really fun
Speaker 2: to watch back. I didn't even know about this, this
Speaker 2: scavenger Hunt storyline with Chantelle and Jackson. No, I know
Speaker 2: very little about what's coming up with Katie and Clay,
Speaker 2: except for this big fight in the rain, because Chantelle
Speaker 2: and I were friends and talking and so I would
Speaker 2: she'd come have a coffee with me after work and
Speaker 2: be still in her bruises and cuts and scrapes and
Speaker 2: from whatever you guys were doing together. So I know,
Speaker 2: something crazy we did.
Speaker 3: That was one of the first scenes, one of the
Speaker 3: first like people do stunts, actors do more of the action,
Speaker 3: And that was one of the first times I ever
Speaker 3: did like an action fight with another actor.
Speaker 2: Wow, I think that's fun.
Speaker 4: When you do ventions. Or when you're out in public
Speaker 4: and you get approached by a fan, how much like
Speaker 4: what's the ratio of they talk about Katie versus they
Speaker 4: talk about Sarah. Who if you had to say, who's
Speaker 4: the fan favorite? Is it Katie or is it Sarah.
Speaker 3: Katie's not a fan favorite, but she's a fan fascination.
Speaker 3: You know. People don't like Katie, but they like to
Speaker 3: not like her, you know, yea, And people were already
Speaker 3: invested in Clay's storyline at that point, so they are
Speaker 3: sort of mad. I think. Also, I don't know whether
Speaker 3: you've talked about this a lot, but I have been
Speaker 3: on a few shows as the mean woman.
Speaker 2: Or okay, you did pretty Little Liars after.
Speaker 3: That, Pretty Little Liars, But on other shows my character
Speaker 3: has taken a turn, and women really love to pile
Speaker 3: on the the judgment and the the anger to other women.
Speaker 3: And I've had a lot of confusion between Haiti and Amanda.
Speaker 3: And at first it was so strange, hurtful, and then
Speaker 3: it was actually quite complimentary.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm that good.
Speaker 3: Well, it was more just like there was during that time,
Speaker 3: it was, you know, Twitter was just starting to get big,
Speaker 3: and I I started a Twitter account, kind of just
Speaker 3: around the time that I was doing these, around these episodes,
Speaker 3: and somebody started to say some really unkind things to
Speaker 3: me on top on Twitter. And at first, you know,
Speaker 3: I would vacillate between like either not responding or just
Speaker 3: doing like a little you know, short response or whatever.
Speaker 3: I never like, I don't read member really engaging, but
Speaker 3: and they would have to. I think they would get
Speaker 3: shut down because they would change their address quite a bit,
Speaker 3: their handle. And then it was like I just had
Speaker 3: this shift, this mental shift where I was like, thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for being confused, because that means
Speaker 3: I did my job and I appreciate you. Yes, And
Speaker 3: once I kind of said that, and I said if
Speaker 3: you ever want to I think I do remember saying
Speaker 3: if you ever, you know, want to get together to
Speaker 3: discuss it. Once I called out this person and said
Speaker 3: that I would engage face to face, it was like
Speaker 3: game over, you know, yeah, because nobody wanted to step
Speaker 3: out behind the safety of the computer screen. But it
Speaker 3: was like people people did love to hate Katie, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's just one example, Yeah, fear of the unknown.
Speaker 4: Maybe that person just needed a little touch of lithium,
Speaker 4: just like this.
Speaker 3: Little little lithium in the kool aid.
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, it is people. People are People are
Speaker 2: afraid of things that they don't understand. Speaking of fear
Speaker 2: of things that we don't understand, we have a listener
Speaker 2: question tani is asking when you were younger, what is
Speaker 2: an irrational fear that you had that you thought was
Speaker 2: an extreme issue. I love this.
Speaker 4: Cause this is such a good question.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Bermuda triangle I thought was a really big
Speaker 2: problem that we had to solve.
Speaker 3: A lot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but there was the other thing too, Like
Speaker 2: remember the tags on the furniture that say do not remove.
Speaker 2: I was absolutely terrified. I remember one day I ripped
Speaker 2: the tag off. Like I played on my furniture all
Speaker 2: the time. I was always climbing around on things, and
Speaker 2: I remember we spilled something on the cushion and had
Speaker 2: to flip it around, and I ripped the tag off.
Speaker 2: And I look at the tag and it says like
Speaker 2: it's like FBI or some.
Speaker 3: Kind of did people like descend from them? I was
Speaker 3: afraid of your living room for like a week.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh my god, is someone going to
Speaker 2: come arrest me for taking the tag off of this couch?
Speaker 3: I definitely thought that there was something under my bed
Speaker 3: kind night, Oh certain of it.
Speaker 4: I spent way too much time worried about quicksand than
Speaker 4: was probably necessary.
Speaker 2: The Princess Bride ruined us.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. As a kid growing up in
Speaker 4: suburban southern California, quicksand was at the forefront of my
Speaker 4: fear list. But yeah, things like quicksand acid rain, Oh, rain,
Speaker 4: acid rain. I might drown if I don't wait thirty
Speaker 4: minutes after I eat before I sway.
Speaker 3: Quicksand. I did sink into mud about this high ones
Speaker 3: on a hike when I was really young.
Speaker 2: So WHOA listen, Quicksand is an issue. It's a serious problem.
Speaker 3: Not to reignite any dormant concerns.
Speaker 4: They're rob but listen. If there had been a political
Speaker 4: candidate in nineteen eighty four whose platform was I am
Speaker 4: going to fix the quicksand issue the world, I would
Speaker 4: have had my vote.
Speaker 3: So fast, your four year old vote.
Speaker 4: Yep, so good. Oh, Amanda schul you are a delight always.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy that I got to be here this
Speaker 3: morning with you. What a lovely way to spend the sunrise.
Speaker 3: Thank you for being here with me.
Speaker 4: Well before we say goodbye, because I just wanted to
Speaker 4: get in some preliminary compliments before I really hit you
Speaker 4: with the whole barage of them. Afterwards, we do spin
Speaker 4: a wheel and we do an honorable mention. So we're
Speaker 4: not quite done yet. Let's spin that wheel.
Speaker 2: So the wheel is most likely to Amanda. So it's
Speaker 2: like in your high school yearbook, you've got most likely
Speaker 2: to become president, most likely to know join a tennis
Speaker 2: club or whatever. Anyway, Okay, here's what we have, most
Speaker 2: likely to get locked out of their own house. So
Speaker 2: you have to pick a cast member and then the
Speaker 2: character a character on the show.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say this. Here's the person who
Speaker 4: is lee likely to ever get locked out of their house.
Speaker 4: It's clearly Katie because she can pick locks.
Speaker 2: Pro Yes, absolutely most likely to get locked out of
Speaker 2: their house. I mean, I've been locked out of my
Speaker 2: house multiple times, so it might be me in real life.
Speaker 4: I'm going to say you Joy, because you sort of
Speaker 4: have a tendency to just like leave things behind occasionally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really absent minded. I'm such an absent minded professor.
Speaker 3: I would say your character, you know around this time,
Speaker 3: is absent minded.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Haley right now, might be, but Haley
Speaker 2: in regular life definitely not. Haley's the one who's got
Speaker 2: copies of everyone else's keys and they come to her
Speaker 2: when they lock themselves out of their house.
Speaker 3: Are we discussing this particular point or in general?
Speaker 2: Could could be any time?
Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, oh okay, okay, listen.
Speaker 4: If it's at this particular point, I agree it's Haley.
Speaker 4: If it's in general, I'm going to also throw Clay's
Speaker 4: hat in the ring, because, as we will see, he's
Speaker 4: pretty good at forgetting things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, he's a little spacey right now too, trying
Speaker 2: to stressed out.
Speaker 4: Do you have an honorable mention? It's sort of just
Speaker 4: one thing that stood out to you for the episode.
Speaker 3: You want to shout out an honorable mention? Uh? Well,
Speaker 3: can we just discuss all the women's skin for just
Speaker 3: a split second? Yes, because I was just the skincare
Speaker 3: routine was on point, your like, the lady's skin was
Speaker 3: just a dewy kiss of perfection, and I just want
Speaker 3: to honorably mention your skin, Sophia. Well, listen, everyone's skin
Speaker 3: was just absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2: Skin was great. I wish we had somebody to help
Speaker 2: us with our eyebrows, because that was rough. Eyebrows were
Speaker 2: real rough for me back then.
Speaker 3: Eros didn't stand out to me. Your skin stood out
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad, thank you. Honorable mention for me will
Speaker 2: be Paul Tiel until he's done. I just love watching him.
Speaker 2: I also remember, I think he was twenty when we
Speaker 2: did this, so all of us were older than him,
Speaker 2: So he came in at twenty years old playing this,
Speaker 2: you know, hot shot movie star, working with Janna, and
Speaker 2: this might have been his first on camera role too.
Speaker 2: I have to double check that. But he he just
Speaker 2: was so great and so committed and had really great
Speaker 2: instincts and I love I love watching him and always will.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: A great one. My honorable mention is Aunt Quinn, who
Speaker 4: clearly wins Aunt of the Year. Oh yeah, we heard
Speaker 4: Goonies inspired treasure Hunt with Jamie. That was awesome.
Speaker 2: Agreed, So good?
Speaker 4: What have we got next episode?
Speaker 2: Joy? Well, the next episode Rob is season seven, episode
Speaker 2: twenty two. Almost everything I wish I'd said the last
Speaker 2: time I saw you. That's a very long time a mouthful.
Speaker 2: It just certainly is. I wonder how the episode will.
Speaker 4: Be tune in to find out.
Speaker 2: Thanks everybody, Thank you Amanda for joining us. It's so
Speaker 2: good to see you. That's your contribution today.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here with you all right.
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