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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: going well because then we're on We officially to the weekend,

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Speaker 1: I want to have a discussion with you, Buck on

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Speaker 1: you don't sacrifice the energy and the juice. This isn't

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Speaker 1: some nerdy brainiac who's just hidden in the closet, you know,

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Speaker 1: writing up plays. He combines both those things. Now, that's

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Speaker 1: the thing about Dan Campbell. I don't don't know yet.

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Speaker 1: I know I know man energy ain't a question. I

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Speaker 1: know he's gonna bring juice. He's gonna bring energy, and

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Speaker 1: that the team will take on some of that personality.

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Speaker 1: Now does he does he combine that with kind of

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Speaker 1: that cerebral approach that that a guy like Sean mcveighan

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Speaker 1: bring to the table. That's tv D that that is TBD,

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Speaker 1: but I think you bring up good points. And so

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Speaker 1: it's not only the head coach, but it's the assistance.

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Speaker 1: And so when you're thinking about the kind of team

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Speaker 1: that you want, your assistant coaches touch the bears their

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Speaker 1: position group every day, and so if they are kind

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Speaker 1: of like the messengers of the head coaches message, you

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Speaker 1: gotta make sure that you have the right kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to be a rough and gruff head coach,

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Speaker 1: but then you've got a bunch of cerebral smart tectives

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Speaker 1: how maneuver um. Everybody has to be in lockstep, and

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Speaker 1: so it's not only the players that you bring in

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Speaker 1: that to have to meet the culture. The coaches that

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Speaker 1: you bring in have to also meet the expectation when

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Speaker 1: it comes to how they trade themselves, what they believe

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Speaker 1: and how they believe football needs to be played to

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Speaker 1: win games and that stuff. So it has to be

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Speaker 1: a synergy between everybody in the building for it to

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Speaker 1: really put to pull it off at the highest level.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you I believe this list is correct.

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Speaker 1: Here the longest tenured head coaches right now in the league,

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. I'd put kind of on an island off

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Speaker 1: by himself. I think people might say, oh, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: bring energy, but now there's an intensity that he brings,

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Speaker 1: so you get the intelligence and maybe the intensity to

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Speaker 1: go along with that. Mike Tomlin, he's both right. He

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Speaker 1: gives you the energy and the intelligence. John Harbaugh same.

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Speaker 1: You know, he brings a lot of juice, but they're

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Speaker 1: on the forefront of creativity and what they've done offensively.

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Speaker 1: Um Pete Carroll, he's always stayed young, right, the energy

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Speaker 1: has always been there without question. And then now you're

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Speaker 1: seeing him start to adapt. He was kind of he

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Speaker 1: was the you know, the defensive group. Everybody had had

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll Tree running everything. But now he's kind of

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Speaker 1: adapted to some of the different defensive stuff we see.

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Speaker 1: And then next is Andy Reid, who Andy Reid um

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Speaker 1: has surrounded himself. He gets a lot of juice and

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Speaker 1: a lot of energy. Steve Spack no little big energy guy,

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Speaker 1: and nobody's nobody's more in. Andy Reids is a good

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Speaker 1: offensive mine as we've ever seen in the NFL. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's fast, and you see the guys who

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Speaker 1: have staying power, um that they can combine both those. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it is important because there's a time when

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Speaker 1: you do need the tactical stuff to be at the forefront,

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Speaker 1: but there's also a time in games where you need

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Speaker 1: more energy and emotion if you have to let that

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Speaker 1: side fly. I don't think the monotone leader with great

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Speaker 1: XS and os can handle situations where it doesn't go

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Speaker 1: awry at some point, man, you have to get people

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Speaker 1: sparked up and going. You have to be a little

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Speaker 1: more confrontational in your approach to get what you want. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's fun man. It was fun to watch the lions

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Speaker 1: and hard knocks and how the team responded. But I

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Speaker 1: think the most important thing is why I may work

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Speaker 1: for Dan Campbell. I really believe that's who he is. Yeah. Yeah, authentic.

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Speaker 1: I mean I I think that's we talked about that

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Speaker 1: our traits we want to hit coach, and number one

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Speaker 1: on the list to me was authentic, Like, you better

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Speaker 1: be who you are. I've seen enough guys that have

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Speaker 1: tried to be the next so and so. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Belichick tree was a great example. Everybody would leave

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Speaker 1: Belichick and try and be Belichick. There's only one be yourself.

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Speaker 1: And I think i'm curiously Josh McDaniels on this next

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Speaker 1: go round, because it sounds like he's a lot more

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Speaker 1: comfortable in his own skin and he's kind of his

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Speaker 1: own man here. He's not trying to duplicate what Bill was, So, um,

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Speaker 1: that'll be an interesting case study. But um, it's it's fun.

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Speaker 1: The clips on hard knocks are fantastic. It's entertaining. Um,

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed that. The other side of it, as we

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Speaker 1: can talk about intelligence and energy and game planning and

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Speaker 1: you know, taking on the uh, you know, the personality

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Speaker 1: of your head coach. You better have a quarterback. You

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Speaker 1: gotta have a quarterback, and you gotta have players like oh,

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Speaker 1: that sounds nice in theory, but it's a players league.

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Speaker 1: As a player's game, you gotta have better players than

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Speaker 1: the other scene more times not to win the game.

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Speaker 1: You can maybe coax max effort out of someone who's

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Speaker 1: a lesser talent, and they might get him on a

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Speaker 1: given day, but most of the time, best players not

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Speaker 1: gonna play. The best players are the ones able get

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Speaker 1: it done, and so you coaches have to make sure

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Speaker 1: of that. All right, give me, give me scouting report, buck,

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Speaker 1: How how was how's ground hills looking? What's the season

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Speaker 1: look like? Forecast? At formats? You're getting ready to crank up? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's scrimmage time and so they're scrimmages over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: So we won't we won't know, we'll see. I think

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Speaker 1: the fun part about it is just kind of see

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Speaker 1: how it all comes together. But as you know, because

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Speaker 1: like man, high school football is right around the corner

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Speaker 1: and next Friday for a lot of kids, Friday night

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Speaker 1: lights then got out the same stage, the same fielding. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny to watch these guys talk about

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Speaker 1: all the stuff getting to it, but then when it's

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Speaker 1: time to put the pads on, see who's about it

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Speaker 1: and who's not about sports? Are you gotta throw the

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Speaker 1: ball all this year? Are we just running the ball? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: We got we got some cuss something ever, evolving, every volving,

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Speaker 1: every volving, you know, it's the evolution was the most

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Speaker 1: What was the most passes you guys through in a

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Speaker 1: game last year? Uh? If we're passing a lot, you're

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Speaker 1: doubly good. Yeah, but we're hopeful and optimistic that we'll

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Speaker 1: be able to throw it around the yard a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We'll see give me the give me the ideal run

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Speaker 1: past mix we're talking about for for for gring out

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Speaker 1: of hills this year. Just just give me, give me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the goal I've sold them on. I can commit to

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Speaker 1: throwing eight to ten times a game, okay, and they

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Speaker 1: can learn more. That's two. That's from my old college teams.

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Speaker 1: So my my college coach used to say, you gotta

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Speaker 1: throw deep twice a quarter. Yeah, so you just took

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Speaker 1: you just took a deep part out and just said

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Speaker 1: throw it twice a quarter. Only it is like, look,

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Speaker 1: I mean receiver hard like I want to throw it.

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Speaker 1: You just haven't thrown it well enough. But they get

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Speaker 1: they're getting better. You got the only high school in

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Speaker 1: the country, Buck where when you come out for the

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Speaker 1: first week and you got the freshman out there and

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Speaker 1: he said, all right, go to your position line and

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Speaker 1: the receiver line is like two guys, like, do you

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Speaker 1: guys want to play whine out of running back line?

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Speaker 1: You can't even sit. We're changing that. We're changing that.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to throw it a little bit more. We

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Speaker 1: trying to see if we can get some completions. I

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Speaker 1: have a better report for you when we have the

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Speaker 1: next podcast on monthy. Okay, and your big dog is

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Speaker 1: already committed, right, he's already Uh yeah, John stand is

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Speaker 1: going to he's committed to the University of Utah. We'll

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Speaker 1: see it plays out. It's a good spot form. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fantastic. Well we paid. We're paying attention there, um

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Speaker 1: Buck as you If you didn't know, Buck's head coach

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Speaker 1: here high school football in southern California and done a

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Speaker 1: great job kind of resurrecting John elways old program. So

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Speaker 1: it's uh, we'd be lying on. We'd be a lot

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Speaker 1: better if we had John Elway. He would help. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you can't get John elwe get John Elways money. We

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Speaker 1: can help us out a little bit. And I l

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Speaker 1: is legal California in case you didn't know. Uh, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. And I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys have enjoyed it. We'll catch you next time right here,

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Speaker 1: I'll move the sticks. Don't people go to want what

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Speaker 1: you want, have got to go to Lott