1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: We make it a habit here, don't we roll up 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: on this show to not necessarily talk that much about 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: ABC News, Good Morning America or Disney. It's kind of 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: a habit we have here. It's the rule. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: It's a muscle. 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 3: We've been flexing for about a year and some change. 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh, we've thrown all that out the window. Today. 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 4: We're gonna talk all about Disney and ABC and Good 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 4: Morning America, and in particular how much we hated hated 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 4: a particular day at Good Morning America every year. 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Now this comes with some context we have to give, 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: but we hated Dancing with the Stars mornings on Good 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: Morning America. 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: It was a chaotic, chaotic day, and so you kind 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: of had to brace yourself. The next day, we'd all 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: be saying, tomorrow the Dancing with the Stores reveal is 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: taking place. We all kind of have to make sure 19 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: we got a good night's sleep because it was gonna 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: be a hell of a morning. I mean, it was 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: unreal what went on behind the scenes backstage in the 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: dressing rooms when you have the entire show taking over 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: Good Morning America. 24 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: It was all about Dancing. 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: With the Stars. 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: I feel like we have to get right context. We 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: are not at all saying we hate Dancing with the stars. 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: We love Dancing with the Stars. 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Okay, But our studio had a ground floor studio. We 30 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: had a second floor studio, and we had to bring 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: in extra people. We had deplete work late and early, 32 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: and everybody all hands on deck to rearrange that whole 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: studio up and downstairs, all about dancing with a Star. 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: How many people are how many contestants were there every year? 35 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: I don't know how many there were. 36 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: Okay, so you'd have the you'd have the celebrities. 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Group dancers. I mean you had it all right. I 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: mean you had spray tan everywhere. I know for a fact, 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: because like I would put that tan on in your 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: bathroom and that was me. It looks like someone got 41 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: murdered in me. 42 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: Is Cheryl Burke here is with us in studio and 43 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: we're talking about She's laughing because she knows what we're 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: talking about. 45 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: It was crazy. 46 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: And if you had to run up and down the 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: stairs to get you to do your hit to go, oh, 48 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: you couldn't. You couldn't even make your way because dancers 49 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: would be coming at you like a sea of just 50 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: sequins and glitter and spray tan, and you couldn't even 51 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: get down. 52 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: On a normal day, a good morning America, you have 53 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: two three celebrities, like big deal celebrities that we have 54 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: to make sure they have their own green room, they 55 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: have their people. On a Dancing with the Stars day, 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: you have twenty people with egos who want their own room, 57 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: they want their own hair, their own makeup, their own 58 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: people that all this. 59 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: It's chaos, yes, and well earned egos, by the way, 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: because when they would put on those performances, it was remarkable. No. 61 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: I was in awe watching them take over the entire 62 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: studio and dance in precision with the lights and the 63 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: music in your live you don't get a second time. 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: They were remarkable. 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: The pros were fine. I'm talking about on the celebrity 66 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: the day where we are dealing who's going to dance 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars, the place was chaotic. The 68 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: only thing we compared it to the only other day 69 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: we hate it that much. It's Halloween. 70 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: Oh see, I like Halloween. That's on you. I loved Hollow. 71 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: It was Kaotu, it was kadd But we were creating 72 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: the chaos versus the chaos coming to us in the 73 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: form of all these celebrities and the reps. By the way, 74 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 3: like they all bring people, people have entourages. They don't 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 3: just come on their own, they come with their people. 76 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: But we say all this for a reason. Look, we 77 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. No matter what you think about it, 78 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: it is a phenomenon and it has been for the 79 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: twenty plus years now that it has been on. It 80 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: is just a powerhouse. The concept is cool and interesting 81 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: and fun, but it is just it's been phenomenal what 82 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: this thing has done culturally, what it has meant in 83 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: this country, has made stars out of a whole bunch 84 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: of people, and it's just fun. I remember ginger Z 85 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: to watch Somebody You Love You know, ginger. 86 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: Z, Sam Champion, Oh Sam, Sammy, all of Sammy, the 87 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: ones in the two so good, not the ones in 88 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: the twos. But I know, and it's true, And it 89 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: gave a lot of people second chances and third chances, 90 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: like a new boost in the career that was feeding 91 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: or had you know, seemed like it was gone all 92 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: of a sudden boom. You're on Dancing with the Stars, but. 93 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: Your back we always loved no matter what. Yes, it 94 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: was chaotic and whatnot, but it to watch, certainly the 95 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: pros come in and the choreography and what it took 96 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: to nail it, because we saw the rehearsals and then 97 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: everybody at home only saw it live. We saw what 98 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: it took to put that on, and they nailed it 99 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: every single time. And so many of those pros we 100 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: got to know over the years, and some of them 101 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: we got to know year after year after year after 102 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: year because they kept coming back and they kept winning. 103 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 3: Yes, even like Cheryl, like Cheryl Burke twenty six seasons, 104 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: two mirror Balls. Correct, and Cheryl, I mean you're laughing 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: because you're not in your We were hearing us from 106 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: our vantage point. I love that we saw, but you 107 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: saw everything in between and what it took to even 108 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: get all those folks on planes. I mean, think about 109 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: the shuffling and shuttling they did back and forth between 110 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: California and New. 111 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: You'll know, sleep like we're going on no sleep, you guys, 112 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: And then like the last thing we want to do 113 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: is put on a skimpy costume in the middle of 114 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: Times Square mind you like we were freezing because we 115 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: also have to rehearse, so we have to rehearse literally 116 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: when it's still dark, so it's not like no one's 117 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: in the studio yet because we wouldn't have had time 118 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: to rehearse. So we're rehearsing outside. Mind you, ballroom dancing 119 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: is made for indoors. It's not an outdoor sport. So 120 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 2: this was, you know, just a lot. But I didn't 121 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: even realize how we must be so annoying because like 122 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: what I didn't realize was this, You're like, any what 123 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: a mess we were, Like, we were just such a 124 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: disaster because we were at first of all exhausted, so 125 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: we were all delirious, whether it be even like the 126 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: premiere or the finale. First of all, the finale, we're 127 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: for sure done. Like we were so delirious. I'll never 128 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: got Rob Kardashian, I remember I was so out of it, 129 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: and I remember Robin Roberts asking me a question. I 130 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: was like, Rob, you're gonna have to take it. You 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: could take it, Like I just couldn't put two words together. 132 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, this has been. It's been. It was our 133 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: second home. Your guys, is you know sad and thank 134 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: you you guys. 135 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: We're on West Coast time too, So I give it 136 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 3: to you like you were. Like for us, it was early, 137 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: and it was even earlier. Was still Actually most of 138 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: y'all didn't even sleep. No, we came to New York. 139 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: You were from the night before your dancers. 140 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't. We don't. We get creative at night 141 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: to sleep during the day. 142 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: Right now, this moment, you are two two full years 143 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: now or two full seasons removed from the show, is. 144 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: What I would say. Two seasons two years, same thing 145 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: now because they only do one year. 146 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: Okay, getting closer to you, if you needed to get 147 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: back in there right now, crash and start dancing and 148 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: start training somebody. 149 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I could train you, okay, but 150 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: like as far as wearing like one of the outfits, 151 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: like I would probably get on some I don't know, 152 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: some sort of strict diet and like, but that's my 153 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: body dysmorphia that I'll forever have, you know, and I'm 154 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: very open with that. But like, I don't know, I've 155 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: I mean, you've seen me grow up on this show. 156 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: I started when I was twenty one years old. I 157 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: went through this horrific like she's too fat for TV too, 158 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: So It's like I was growing into my who I 159 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: am as a woman as well, and with that, I 160 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: did gain weight, you know, and it was like season 161 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: seven or something. I'll never forget it. And it was 162 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: like when you first see yourself like being talked about 163 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: like on KTLA and you're like, wait, what is that. 164 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: You were being talked about for what your body looked like? 165 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 166 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: Who was saying that you were overweight? 167 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: I think it was just a collect I think it 168 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: was just people like people that watch the show. I mean, 169 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: you know, I did I gain a few pounds during 170 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: the hiatus, Yes, I mean naturally right, like we do, 171 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: but like I am curvy in comparison to a lot 172 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: of the other professional women. So when you know, whenever 173 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: I did gain weight, it was a thing. I just 174 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: feel like it was, you know, it was a thing 175 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: that back in the day. I think nowadays no one 176 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: would ever say anything. It's times have changed, but back 177 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: then it was. I'll just I based my life off 178 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: of season So I'm trying to think. I think I 179 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: was dancing with Maurice Green actually, and then it was 180 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: right before Jill, so I think that was season between 181 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: seven and eight. 182 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, Cheryl so you heard people talking about you 183 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: on television. Did you ever hear anything. Was there any 184 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: pressure on the show at all to be a certain size, 185 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: to fit into a certain outfit or was that just 186 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: from the noise from outside and maybe your own internal. 187 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: I think it was my noise. I don't think that. 188 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: I mean, look nothing to me personally, Like no one 189 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: has ever come up to me and been like, you 190 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: have to lose weight? They, I think, regardless they hear, 191 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: I feel so bad for wardrobe because, like you know, 192 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: all my insecurities would go out on port Daniella, who 193 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: runs wardrobe, and it would alter it would really alter 194 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: my mood, you know, to where it was like if 195 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: I felt heavy or if I felt bloated and I 196 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: was putting on a costume, then all my insecurities I 197 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: would come out onto other people, onto my partner, onto 198 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: just like in general, because of that like self hate 199 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: that I had for myself. Really at that time, am 200 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: I still there? I'm not going to say I'm fully recovered, 201 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: but I'm definitely healing, you know, and that's going to 202 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: be a forever process. 203 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: Where is it? Company? Was that all in turn? Take 204 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: the out? 205 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: This was like from competitive days okay, but take. 206 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: The outside noise and the haters and whoever else is 207 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: saying negro stuff from the outside, but take that out 208 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: of the equation. Was there anything wrong in your mind 209 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: with how you looked and so you. 210 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Because of my body? 211 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: Yes? 212 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes? And body dysmorphia is it? I literally look 213 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: at myself in the mirror and I don't necessarily see 214 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: what other people see. Yes, yeah, because like what do 215 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: you do that? Well, I'm in therapy. I mean I've 216 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: been in therapy since I was a little girl, really 217 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: but consistently. I've been in therapy here for like the 218 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: last decade. But also doing somatic also helps because then 219 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: I can really, instead of completely tune out of my 220 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: body and numb, I can actually, you know, slowly but 221 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: surely learn to learn about self love and self respect 222 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: and really have to make an effort to compliment myself, 223 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: like in my gratitude journal, Like it's a whole thing 224 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: because my brain has been trained to always pick out 225 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: the negatives in general, was coach. 226 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's called being a woman. I 227 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: mean it is right. I mean we all saw our 228 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: moms do it, and I had to stop myself from 229 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: doing it. In front of my daughters, because it's like 230 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: this trait and if someone gives you a compliment, you 231 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: actually say, oh, but actually did you see this thing? 232 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: You know? You you never can take a COMPLI point 233 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: to something negative. It's this weird thing that I think 234 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: we learn unfortunately as women. 235 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: The survival mode I've been in, you know, in general, 236 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: from when I was a little girl through you know, 237 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: child abuse to now it's like, you know, thank you 238 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: vessel for getting me through. Because wow, but. 239 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Were you two, I mean both of you now are you? 240 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: Were you all in the exact wrong businesses to Probably 241 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: there's a lot of little girls. There are a lot 242 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: of young girls who maybe feel the way you all feel. 243 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: Sure you all are on television, you all are right. 244 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: You are looking at yourself in the Mirror's there's not 245 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: one dance studio I know that doesn't have mirrors, right, 246 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: and naturally you compare. 247 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Does that exacerbate the issue you all were just talking about? 248 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: The business said you. 249 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: Walk into a dressing room, mirrors everywhere television is that 250 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: you know, you're looking at the monitor. And then now 251 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: you're in a business where people are commenting on you 252 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: wherever they want to from the privacy of their own 253 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: home anonymously, and they can actually wreak real havoc on 254 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: your psyche without a doubt. 255 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: You're still like, I'm not gonna say that, oh whatever, 256 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: you know, but I focus on that one negative comment, 257 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: like it's just natural unless if I'm really like present, right, 258 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: but that is, I'm currently retraining. Hopefully it happens, but 259 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: we'll see. 260 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 4: Yeah. 261 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: I was talking about though, take some of that power 262 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 3: away from them, and it empowers shame to recognize it 263 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: and then let it go, like feel it and then 264 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: let it, let it go. 265 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: That's the hard part, easier said than done. I know, 266 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: I know I feel it. I don't know if I 267 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 2: let it go though. 268 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: It's been two years. 269 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it's been two years. It's crazy, 270 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: so crazy to me. 271 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: I really, I know you were such a staple on 272 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: that show. I know you left because you said, hey, 273 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: I'm thirty eight and my body's done doing this grind 274 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: and that makes total sense for twenty six seasons. But 275 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: you didn't necessarily want to leave the show. 276 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: No, I didn't want to leave this show. I mean, 277 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: this was my family, Like, I mean, I don't think 278 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: I know La without Dancing with the Stars. I came 279 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: straight from Harlem to CBS on Genesee and Beverly literally 280 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: and I mean first of all, to be part of 281 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: something for so long, for twenty six seasons, is so 282 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: unheard of. But also for me in general, like I 283 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: have this bond, this like umbilical cord that is still 284 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: hard to I guess cut off like and to like 285 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: really separate myself because that was my identity in every 286 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: way and just now learning like, hey, well nothing outside 287 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: of you should be your identity. It all comes from within. 288 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: But I'm not a yogi. I'm not perfect. Like look, 289 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: I would love to get there one day. But I 290 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: guess with the general public too, it's like they do 291 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: think Cheryl Burke Dancing the Stars. And even for me, 292 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: like there was really my whole life was consumed because 293 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: I chose that path. But that was it. 294 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: We know how that feels, Yeah, we do. We didn't 295 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: want to leave either. You didn't want to leave, but 296 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: you chose to leave. Why did you leave if you 297 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: didn't want to? 298 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: I just I felt like it was time for me 299 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: to grow and evolve as as in my like dancing 300 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: isn't for a woman in her unfortunately in ballroom especially, 301 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: I just physically and also knowing in the back of 302 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: my mind I'm the oldest girl here, and then you 303 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: start to like, you know, the actual self hate. I 304 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: felt got louder, you know, and louder, and I was like, 305 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: wait a second. I believe and I still do to 306 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: this day, that I am more than capable to take 307 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: another role on the show. I don't know what that 308 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: would have been or whatever, but if judging they see that, 309 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: if they don't see that in me, then why am 310 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: I here? 311 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: Did they talk to you about those roles they have but. 312 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: In the past, right, but it was nothing like set 313 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: in Stone or anything. 314 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: Did you tell them I would like to be a judge, 315 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: I would like to be a horse? And what did 316 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: they say? 317 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: You know? A lot of this was also done through 318 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: my reps. I also it's interesting because like a lot 319 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: of these people behind the scenes, the producers, and I've 320 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: developed relationships with them, you know, and I never wanted 321 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: to cross that boundary, Like I always felt like I 322 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: wasn't the one to be like like using that relationship 323 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: to get to put me further, like I really love them, 324 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: like I loved them as individuals and as friends, like 325 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: even more than I would say. The dancers like I 326 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: became really close, right, So I never wanted to just 327 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: cross that line. Because of my connection and my longevity 328 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: on the show. I didn't feel it that that was appropriate. 329 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: Sure, I'm listening to you now, I've read everything you 330 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: said about leaving the show. You're a staple. There's not 331 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: a list out there. If you just go Google or 332 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: ask people like who are the top pros in this show? 333 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: You're going to be in the top three names that 334 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: somebody names, maybe top five at worst. So, even listening 335 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: to you now and reading everything you said about it, 336 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: why do I steal feel like, wait, wait, what the 337 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: hell is going on? Something's up? Why is she not 338 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: on the show? Why would she leave the show? Did 339 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: do you feel you were do you talk about the 340 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: younger younger, the youngins that were on there, Did you 341 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: feel like you were being outdanced by anybody? 342 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't on a physical level, It was more on 343 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: like an emotional level. I think for me it was 344 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: like again, it was I wanted to grow within the company. 345 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: I saw other dancers who started maybe later than me 346 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: be promoted right, like they became more than a pro dancer. 347 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: I'm not saying being a pro dancer is just like, oh, 348 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: it's beneath me by any means, if anything, I know 349 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: the pros work harder than anyone else on the show, 350 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: but it was also for me like as a just 351 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: I just didn't understand like why I also couldn't have 352 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: that opportunity and if clearly it wasn't being given to me. 353 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: So I had to do something about it because I 354 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: felt like with a lot of the work I've been 355 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: doing in my self work and then divorcing my ex husband, 356 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: I just felt like in order for me to gain 357 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: respect and love for myself, I have to believe in me, 358 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: Like if they're not going to believe, then I have 359 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: to believe. And I have to really stick to my 360 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: guns here because like I I continue I've continued to 361 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: express like I no longer want to be a pro dancer, 362 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: you know period. So I mean they knew me it 363 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: is what it is though, by the way, and they 364 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: have every right to believe whatever they want to believe. 365 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: But then therefore I'm going to then move on. 366 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah does that mean what do you mean? You said 367 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: they have a right to believe if they. 368 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: Don't if they don't see me in a different role, 369 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: So be it right, like that is not in my control. 370 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: And we've all been there. I'm putting in turn, I'm 371 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: thinking back to my career in times in my career 372 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: where you know what, I'm here, I've been a good soldier. 373 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: You all don't want me to be anything more. To 374 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: hell with y'all. I'm out of here now. I don't 375 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: want to believe those words. 376 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 2: In my life. Spoke louder. Shea water now, don't get 377 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: a little toasty. 378 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: She's a little tom before she answers that one. No, 379 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: but is that I mean, I want to put those 380 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: words in your mouth. It sounds that way. 381 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: It's been a long long time coming, you know for 382 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: me as well. It's like I think, I mean, I'm 383 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: pretty sure you could read it somewhere where I was like, oh, 384 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: she's retiring again or she's leaving again, and it's like, 385 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, I also did a quick little run at 386 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: over at NBC for a show that they did, and 387 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 2: you know, I think after that experience it was interesting 388 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: because I was like, wait a second, there's like there 389 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: is a world beyond the show, you know, like you 390 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: get very like my blinders in a way were just 391 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: like on whenever I'm in something, I'm in it right 392 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But then I think from then on 393 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 2: I was like, why you know, I want to be 394 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 2: able to do other things. It gave me a new 395 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: like energy and fire, and after twenty six seasons of anything, 396 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: I started to feel like I was an audit, a pilot. 397 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: You know, let's do I mean, mind you, I'm grateful 398 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 2: and about it. Let's do another chat. 399 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: You know how. 400 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: We get it? 401 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: Chah, You're like, oh God, Like in any career, you 402 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 2: want to grow. 403 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: You don't want to. 404 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: Just stay in the same position. Some people do and 405 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: to you, but I don't. You wanted more? Did you 406 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: leave on good terms? I would say, yes, Then why 407 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: did you mean they even gave me a sendoff? 408 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: They gave you a sendoff, but you didn't get invited back. 409 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: No. 410 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: Well, for Len Len's tribute, why do you think that happened? 411 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: I would assume that they Some people may not be 412 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: happy with my my podcast that I have here with iHeart. 413 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: Your podcast is called sex License Sprays Hands. Maybe it's 414 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: the title. I actually don't think it's the content, because like, 415 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: what is wrong with us? Having literally like, Okay, we've done, 416 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: they've they've done. See I'm still like my vocabulary. We've 417 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 2: you know, they've done thirty two seasons. But like every 418 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: single celebrity and dancer on this show has had an experience. 419 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: I don't care if you're the first eliminated, or if 420 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: you went all the way till the end, or if 421 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: you had a bow out due to like Sarah Evans, 422 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: like a divorce that she was going through. This show 423 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 2: is something that is a special experience that you go 424 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: through these different emotions like and I think it's important 425 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: that we talk, and I think it's entertaining for the 426 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: bands who have been sticking by their side for so 427 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: many decades now, and it's just a great time. It's 428 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: just like an hour long. Now, look are there things 429 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: that are not necessarily maybe uh, all glitter and rhinestones 430 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: and all of it. Of course, because with every experience 431 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: there are also there's the bad, the good, the ugly, 432 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: there's all of it. Like, it's not just all Disney, right, 433 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: it's not all like Mickey Mouse. Like there's gonna be 434 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: people who felt so whether it's like nerves or they 435 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: just felt whatever. But regardless, I think it's the end 436 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: of the day. Everyone can say about this show is 437 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: that they took something away from the show and it 438 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: made them into a better person somehow, whether that be 439 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 2: them losing weight or them gaining confidence or whatever it is. 440 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: And I always, I always am going back to the 441 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: fact that I am in gratitude for my experience and 442 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: my time with the network and with you know, Dancing 443 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: with the Stars in general. I mean, I was a 444 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: ballroom dancer in Harlem. I was a starving dancer. Like 445 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: I never this was never my goal, right was to 446 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: be on TV. 447 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: And you did a phenomenal job. And I and I 448 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: while we're talking about the lend tribute, because I just 449 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: want to make sure anyone who's at home, Len was 450 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: you know this start to finish like the consummate ballroom 451 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 3: dancing judge. And I know you loved him. 452 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: He judge me as a little kid like when I 453 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: was competing. 454 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: He was amazing and he still the hearts of everyone. 455 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: He was honest, he was witty, He had but he 456 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: knew his stuff. 457 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: We all, yeah, we're always quiet when he speaks. 458 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: He sadly, he sadly passed away this past April. And 459 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: you were criticized after you told people that you weren't 460 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: going or you weren't invited to come back for the tribute. 461 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: Some people criticize you for waiting to then pay your 462 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: own tribute to him that night, just before Dancing with 463 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: the Stars aired. Why did you choose that timing and 464 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: why did you choose that moment to honor your friend? 465 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so I actually had made a tribute prior to 466 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 2: that time, but I think for me, or I know, 467 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: it was like I was getting a lot of messages 468 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: about like it was it your choice not to be there, 469 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: and first of all I found out when everyone else 470 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: found out, and that was just such a stab in 471 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: the heart. Like for me, you know, it was like 472 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe that I wasn't included in just 473 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 2: something so special, like regardless if you want to, like 474 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: look up og in the Dictionary regardles list, like I 475 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: should be I should have been there, like we all 476 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 2: know this, and I know this, at least have been 477 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: in the audience. Maybe you know, but clearly that wasn't 478 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: the case, and I wanted it to be clear with 479 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: everybody before rumors started happening, and before it just escalated 480 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: with the like, oh I chose not to be there, 481 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: that's just not the case. And so I just wanted 482 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: to tell my truth and it ended up it wasn't 483 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: planned or any of it. Just it ended up becoming 484 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: a tribute to Len. But there's nothing wrong with that, 485 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: you know. And if they you know, at the end 486 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 2: of the day, it's like they could have eliminated all 487 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: of this, I think in the first place, if you know, 488 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: if I was there, if they had just asked you 489 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: even just asked, yeah, just asked, wait, it. 490 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: Never came up. This is mind boggling. Like you said, 491 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: o G that there is if you are not invited 492 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: to his tribute, it's intentional, right, because that's not an oversight, 493 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it. 494 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: They didn't forget it oversight. 495 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: You know, they didn't forget about you. 496 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think so. I don't think so. 497 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. 498 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. 499 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: We know, we know they didn't forget about you. 500 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: It's impossible to have a tribute to him without you 501 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: being a part. So we're trying to understand how have 502 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: things soured to the to a point you are the show. 503 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: What I mean by that is you cannot talk about 504 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars without talking about Schobert. You cannot 505 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: go through the history of the show and talk about 506 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: it without talking about you. So help us understand how 507 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: something has soured to the point that even you can't 508 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: come together in death of someone that's beloved, even that 509 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: man couldn't bring these two sides together. Help us understand that, Gheryl, 510 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: that doesn't make it. 511 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to be also helped here 512 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: because like I don't That's what I mean, right, Like 513 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: if anything that should have that shouldn't have mattered, whatever, 514 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: whatever is, whatever it is that they're upset about, obviously 515 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: it must be the pod. It has to be the podcast, 516 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: because that's all that in the past couple of years, right, 517 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: But then also it is it just makes me believe 518 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: that they're not listening to it or something, because it's like, 519 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 2: of course on social media, you know, as you guys know, 520 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: like we need to attract listeners, and unfortunately with that 521 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: you have to put clips together that may not may 522 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: sound a little like, oh, she's just bashing the show, 523 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: Like no, that's not what the podcast is. No, it's 524 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: telling the honest truth. But like I don't know, I 525 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: don't know because I can't even answer the question I 526 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: would would I love closure? Absolutely? 527 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: Did you ask questions? Did you ask anyone, hey, what's 528 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 3: going on? Why am I not invited? 529 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: I had my reps do that again, like I don't 530 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: have The answer was well, obviously my podcast. 531 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 3: Okay, so they said it was the podcast? 532 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: Well yes, I mean yes, and what specifically? 533 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 3: Because you know, I also saw things online where people 534 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: they look at headlines we know what this is like, 535 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 3: and assume the worst because they see a headline and 536 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: they say, oh, Cheryl Burke is trashing Dancing with the 537 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: Stars and so now you look like the bad guy, 538 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: when that actually isn't the truth. It's just these headlines, clickbait, 539 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. Did you have an 540 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: opportunity to at least say, do you listen to my podcast? 541 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: Do you understand what I'm doing? Was there any way 542 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: for you to at least say, hey, we go back, 543 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: we go twenty six seasons back. Can we not find 544 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: a way to bridge this? 545 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: I get everything was done through my reps, and yes, 546 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 2: this is what was frustrating that it was like it 547 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: was so quick, like it was quick right, like the 548 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: I don't know who's listening. I don't know who isn't listening. 549 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: All I know is obviously, I mean I can assume 550 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: that they're upset. But I feel more than anything, I 551 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: just feel really sad. I'm just sad. It still so sad. 552 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: Like I'm so sad. I'm not even mad anymore. 553 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: Were you at one point? Though? Man? 554 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 555 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: How long did it take you to get past that? 556 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: Was that a question? 557 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 2: It's a therapy. 558 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people know how close you 559 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: talk about he judge you when you were essentially kid. Yeah, 560 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: but I mean that's that this is a special special 561 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: moment aside forget the the you versus the company thing. 562 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: This is a very special guide to you that on 563 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: a very special moment, special night you weren't able to 564 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: be a part of. That's different. 565 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's but also I think it's everything. 566 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 2: It's not just it's not black and white, right, like 567 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: it's it is. I don't know with any with any relationship, 568 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: there's turmoil, right, there's disagreements, but you you talk about 569 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: it exactly exactly as you don't just like literally not 570 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: talk about it. But like again, I mean I can 571 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: sleep at night knowing that I'm not doing anything wrong, 572 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: Like I I'm so grateful for the show for everything. 573 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: Sure you have tears come in your eyes? Here? Is 574 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: there no one you can pick up the phone and call? 575 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: And I know you talk about rest and we all 576 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: been in this business, we. 577 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: Know that, yes, we'll get you. 578 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Some tissues for this seems a little too important to 579 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: is there nothing? Is there no one? You tried to 580 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and just come on, guy, let's 581 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: put it aside for a night for this guy. 582 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: Well that moment is over unfortunately, But like as far 583 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: as that guy, but like, look, there's obviously it's so deep, 584 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: so deep. 585 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: You're doing a podcast, and to do a podcast the 586 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: way you want to do it to tell you know, 587 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: the behind the thing, behind the scenes stories and they're 588 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: not all salacious, they're fun and lighted. I'm sure you're reminiscing. 589 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: Have you found any difficulty in getting guests to come 590 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: on the podcast for that exact same reason? Because the 591 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: show is unhappy with your podcast? 592 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: I can't, like, look again, like I'm not have yes. 593 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, I do know of some 594 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: guests that have maybe said yes to that have said 595 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: yes to the show, and that all of a sudden 596 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: said no, I don't know who, what, where, when, how 597 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: it all happened, But like I can only assume, and 598 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 2: my feeling is that someone who isn't happy with the 599 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: podcast may have been influenced that may have influenced that 600 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: person or those people. 601 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 3: Do you think you've been blackballed by Dancing with the Stars. 602 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: In what sense? 603 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: Meaning they want, well, they not to eliminate any any 604 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: sort of relationship you may have with that show, and 605 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: people who are on that show they don't want to 606 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: have a relationship with you. 607 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I sure hope not that's I hope that's 608 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: not the case. Do I sometimes think about it? I'm yes, absolutely, 609 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: but like I just feel like there's nothing that Again, 610 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: I know what I'm doing in and I don't understand 611 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: why why this is happening. 612 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 3: Sure, I was gonna Have you lost friends over this? 613 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: Has it gotten to that point? Do you feel like 614 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: you've lost or at least lost us? 615 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: Well, I lost my family, yeah. 616 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 3: And and very important relationships. That's tough. Would you have 617 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: ever thought that was possible when you were leaving the show? 618 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess like it's a business, right, So 619 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: it's like, of course when you think like that, but 620 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: like my emotions, like I come. My mother's a business woman, 621 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: Like I understand it, but it doesn't ever feel good. 622 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: When people tell you it's not personal, it still feels personal. 623 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: It's so personal, it's so personal, and people can separate 624 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: the two. I'm like, are you a sociopath? Because like 625 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't know how you do that, 626 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: Like my I don't know how you do that. I 627 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: don't know how you separate it because like for me 628 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: as an artist, like dance is so vulnerable, you know, 629 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: like literally so vulnerable, like naked and afraid. 630 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: That's funny as you said that, Yeah, we've said that 631 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: so many times before. They you know, it's business. We 632 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: get it, it's business, we say that. So it hurts. 633 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: It hurts, well, how can we all right, let's make 634 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: lemonade here, Cheryl? What can this? How can it be repaired? 635 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: I think that's a question for that really of course, 636 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: of course, like because again it's it's look, am I 637 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: upset about the past, Yes, but that's the past. Like 638 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: I'm really trying to be able to move forward. And 639 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: I would think that after sixteen years and blood, sweat 640 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: and tears, literally many tours and all of it, that 641 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: there was a chance to repair whatever it is. But 642 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: I need I don't know what it is, because like 643 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: we need to communicate. 644 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: A chance. Maybe there's three of us can go into. 645 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 646 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: Let's hold the hands. 647 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: I'll teach you a few steps, some locksteps, and we 648 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: will be escorted. 649 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 3: You do not want to come into that building with us. 650 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: I'm surprised you guys haven't gotten a call yet. Exactly right, 651 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: just shimmy and shake. 652 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: Back. 653 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: They weren't to come back. 654 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: They were ruffled. 655 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 3: They were to say far away, what what would be 656 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: what would be the best case scenario for you if 657 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 3: you if to go forward to repair any bridges that 658 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: were somehow torn down? What would be best case scenario 659 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 3: for you? What would you want to happen? 660 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: Like there's no necessary Like there's not out, there's not 661 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 2: a result. Like again, I don't think anything has been 662 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 2: miscommunicated on my part, Like what you see is what 663 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: you get really to a fault, like I don't know, 664 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: just to feel like I'm still part of the family. 665 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't I don't know what that 666 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: is exactly or what or like I don't know, maybe 667 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: some communication. Yeah, like personal communication. 668 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: You don't feel like you're part of the family anymore. 669 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: I definitely not to know. 670 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: But they make you feel like that. 671 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: But I'm not. But I wasn't invited to. 672 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 1: But on the outside, right, everybody who's a fan of 673 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: that show, shog is a part of the fan. 674 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean, I wouldn't feel comfortable, like, 675 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: I don't think I can just go see a show 676 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: like I would never do that. Damn that could be 677 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: in my own head. It's not like I was ever 678 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: like you are shunned, like I wasn't like that, but 679 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: like still, I mean, I think it's pretty freaking obvious. 680 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 3: I feel like if someone said, but that's your face 681 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 3: or at least like you, it actually be something you 682 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 3: could you could you could actually have a conversation about 683 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 3: then you could digest but just nothing to have no 684 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 3: communication but action no communication, that's the worst because you're 685 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 3: left to guests. 686 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 2: Well then yeah, and then you also feel like, well, 687 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: I guess it was really important. 688 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 3: In general though, Yeah, it was a professional ghosting. You 689 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 3: just said it. 690 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 2: Oh God, that is why I don't wish this upon 691 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: my worst enemy. 692 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 3: And you, you know you you said that you had 693 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: two divorces. Yes, this was the long year. 694 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one's painful, this is heartbreaking. 695 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two wasn't a great year for any of us. Really, 696 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 3: it seems like I. 697 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: Can only go one way from here right right and 698 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 2: at least like yeah or just say it's fine, but 699 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: we can't go further. I can go down the hole, 700 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: can't get can't do it, can't do it. 701 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 3: Where are you now right now? Like you've been through 702 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 3: the worst of it, You're coming out of it now, 703 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: you got your podcast. They may not like it, but 704 00:34:59,520 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 3: do you like? 705 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: I love it. I love every single second of it. 706 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 2: Like we do three episodes a freaking week. I would 707 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: do seven if they asked, like no, but I mean, 708 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: I actually don't think I could do it anymore out it. 709 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: I mean literally my eyes are cross eyed at this point. 710 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: It's just like, hey, I'm tired of hearing my voice. 711 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: But no, it's it's been so therapeutic to do these 712 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: like rewatches and like I might see I'm almost at 713 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: the finale of season two and that was my first 714 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: season with dri liche and so and then and then 715 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: we do this like headlines one, which is like I mean, 716 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm not one to like gossip about my friends, but 717 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 2: like at the same we have like reporters come on whatever. 718 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: People seem to love it. But then we have the interview, 719 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 2: like I'm tomorrow, I'm gonna be interviewing Jille Morini, who 720 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: was one of my partners, and like, this is a 721 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: great It's just so nice to have an hour with 722 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: these people because like most of them, we just we 723 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: say high in passing, like we don't have time, you know, 724 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 2: like we're just focused on what we need to be 725 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: folks going on and I get to really know these 726 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 2: people and it's so it's great, it's beautiful. We talk 727 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 2: about the most amazing thing that has affected all of 728 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: our lives and it's just that we hadn't had time 729 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 2: to really compress or digestive it all, you know, And 730 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: it's most of the time. And by the way, like 731 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: any relationship, there's ups and downs, but you come out there, 732 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: you come out the other side stronger, regardless of what 733 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: you've been through, whether you're Trista Sutter who got eliminated 734 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: first ever in the history of Dancing with Stars, or 735 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 2: you know whoever. It is right, like she had lots 736 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: to say. 737 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet, I bet. Oh my goodness, But did 738 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: this gets you in trouble? Okay, you said you don't 739 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: want to you have correspondence and reporters come on because 740 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 1: you don't want to gossip about your friends. 741 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 2: I don't have anything to say. Really, I mean it's like, but. 742 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: Did this gets you in trouble? I mean the description 743 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: of the show when it came out sex license right hands, yes, 744 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: flirting five. 745 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 2: That's not my voice. 746 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: But still, if you read about what the show is, 747 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: and if the show were to. 748 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 2: Be like Disney Mickey Mouse Sleeping Beauty, would you click 749 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: on it? Would you listen to Maybe? 750 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't, but I was still Disney. 751 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: Wait did you say that you could still be? Do 752 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 2: you have Disney watches on? 753 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 3: iHeart? 754 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but. 755 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: The description of the show, if Disney reads flirting, fighting 756 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: and fleeings Cheryl Burke is ready to spill the tea, 757 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: that is exactly what your description of the podcast. 758 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: And if you really do care about a relationship, right, 759 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,439 Speaker 2: you would do a little research and you would listen 760 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 2: to it and you'd be like, oh, we got it. 761 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 2: It's clickbait. We do this all the time. 762 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm not knocking you and I get it, but like you. 763 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like you would just give it 764 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: an episode, Just give it one episode, and it's not 765 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: going to take too much time in your life. 766 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: We've run into that same problem, and we have gotten 767 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: You've got calls from some lawyers and it was clear 768 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: that the only thing that was read was the headline. 769 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 3: Well or they saw the t so you put together 770 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 3: as the chips, like maybe even a question that someone 771 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 3: asked us that we had nothing to do with. Suddenly 772 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 3: it's ruffling feathers, right because they don't know what we're 773 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 3: going to say. But it's called a tease for a reason, 774 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 3: so we knew it was working right, right, right, We 775 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 3: also upset some folks, yes, right, yes, but then listen 776 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 3: to the episode, right, they would see that it isn't 777 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 3: exactly what it's being teased breach, Yes, that's the thing. 778 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 2: But then you have to care though, in order for 779 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 2: you to make that assessment right, like, which means you 780 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 2: have to take the time, maybe when you're driving on 781 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 2: the one oh one, put on an episode and realize 782 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 2: what it is, right, see it for what it is. 783 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 2: Don't make assumptions without doing the research, Like it's just 784 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: for me, Like that's the thing, like to be so 785 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 2: angry and to be to have energy, that type of energy, 786 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 2: like really first, really make sure that that is the 787 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 2: that is the case, right, that's what's unfolding in front 788 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 2: of your eyes. 789 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: What do you want people to know about the show 790 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: that they don't know? It's not like you're trying to 791 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: do but not the show. You're not trying to trash 792 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: the show, but it is a very well packaged and 793 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: beautiful Disney bow on it, right? 794 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 2: Does that? 795 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: So what is it about the show that you would 796 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: like to I don't know if you want to say balance, 797 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: what is the right way to put what is it 798 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: you want her you want people to know about the show? 799 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: Who are fans who say, hey, guys, there's this other 800 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: side we want to expose you to as well. 801 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 2: So I think this is what I find why I 802 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 2: love it so much is because like there are no 803 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 2: there's no filter, Like this is the podcast world. And 804 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 2: this is something I've learned with being with iHeart for 805 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: my first two podcasts with them, It's like it is 806 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: what it is like. And I have always been that 807 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 2: person to like always be transparent and try to also 808 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 2: speak from my own experience in hopes to help other 809 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 2: people in general, whether it meant be mental health or whatever. 810 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 2: But with this specifically, it's I'm asking questions that the 811 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 2: fans have asked me for decades, for decades, like literally 812 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: their mother asked them who had just past? Like whoever? 813 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 2: It is? 814 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 3: Right? 815 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 2: Like I always get my my grandma she loved you, 816 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 2: she loved your dumb and dumber haircut, and I'm like, 817 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 2: thank you so much, you know, and it's like, you know, 818 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: it was the short pop that shirt a little bit. 819 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 2: And it's been uh, it's been also interesting as well. 820 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 2: When I was like, rewatch this, this is gonna be 821 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 2: really boring because I'm gonna critique it as if I'm judging, 822 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 2: so it'd be like the legs weren't straight. And then 823 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 2: but people find it freaking interesting because they've watched something 824 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 2: for you invested a lot of hours into this show, 825 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: and they want to know what's the difference between heal 826 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 2: leads and not heel leads are like frame versus not, 827 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: you know. And I would say, I am a ballroom expert. Now, 828 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 2: if you don't want to put me in the judges table, fine, 829 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 2: so be it. But like, I still know what the 830 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 2: hell I'll talk it about, right, So, like, if anyone 831 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 2: were to do a podcast about dancing with the stars 832 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: of all things dancing, you're looking at her. Yeah, I've 833 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 2: been on the longest. You know your stuff, I do. 834 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 2: You know what's good, you know what's not. 835 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 3: You also know what was going on behind the scenes. 836 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 3: I mean, like, and there's nothing that a company would 837 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 3: like less than a person who really knows where the 838 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 3: bodies are buried. Not that there were actual bodies buried, 839 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 3: but you really know what went on behind the scenes. 840 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 3: You really know. 841 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 2: I mean I don't know everything, but I can only 842 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 2: imagine what you saw. 843 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: Well. 844 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also what I've experienced. And it's not all bad. 845 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 3: It's not all good, right, but it's not it's real 846 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 3: perfect either exactly. 847 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: But it's normal. 848 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 2: But isn't that the beauty of life? Yes, Like, let's 849 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 2: stop hiding behind the perfection because there's no such thing anyway. 850 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: But you can get why they wouldn't want the imperfection broadcasts. 851 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 2: I mean there's no such Like, what does that mean? 852 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 853 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: I's advocate. 854 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 2: Like the fact that we can dance in those costumes too. 855 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 2: You're like wait what, bron. You know, it's a little 856 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 2: bit like wait no. But but I'm also not the 857 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 2: one saying anything. I guess I can't control it's coming 858 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 2: out of my guests mouths right like they've got when 859 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: I tell you, like the I can see it almost 860 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: like the baggage, literally the weight being lifted off their shoulders. 861 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 2: For a lot of these people I've interviewed so far, 862 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 2: it is so therapeutic without it being a session, yeah, 863 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: or me being a professional therapist, Like, you know, it 864 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 2: really is. 865 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 3: I totally get it. And I know that the title 866 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 3: is salacious, sex, Lies and spray tands, but but was 867 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 3: there a lot of sex going on? No? 868 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 2: I literally got you know where I got that title from? 869 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 2: Where an US weekly cover with my face on it 870 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 2: that said blah blah and blah. I totally forgot what 871 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 2: it said. I'm sure we can google it right now. 872 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 2: And then I didn't realize there was a movie called 873 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,439 Speaker 2: sex Life and video tape no idea. I still don't 874 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 2: know what the hell that is to this day. But 875 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 2: like it's just it's everything comes in threes, Like, honestly, 876 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 2: it's not that deep. It was kind of like it 877 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 2: was either gonna be sex love and you know, between 878 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 2: me and Amy Sugarman were just bouncing ideas off midnight, 879 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 2: you know, like literally, like I I remember I was 880 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 2: in San Francisco at my family's house and I was like, 881 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, it's one in the morning. Can we 882 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 2: just stop? 883 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: That sounds like a sugarman. 884 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 2: Oh my god, she gets so excited, you know, when 885 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 2: she gets excited, you're like, oh, we're onto something. 886 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 3: So what you're saying is that there was no sex 887 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes and no lies. 888 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's it just the Sprain dance who come on obviously. 889 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 2: I mean like, look, there was lots of dry humping, 890 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 2: because that happens in the rumba, right, there's lots of that. Look, dancing, 891 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 2: especially ballroom is an intimate contact sport and if you 892 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 2: and it happens, it does happen. And look, I'll be 893 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 2: the first. I'm not going to say who, but I've 894 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 2: had my own show mances. You know it happened. 895 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 3: Did you have to keep it secret though? Was it 896 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 3: frowned upon? Was it was there a policy against dating 897 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 3: the person? 898 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: I think it was more like within like personal preference now, 899 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 2: but were there headlines about it? Yeah, I mean, of 900 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 2: course they eat this up like this is what I 901 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,720 Speaker 2: mean going back to casting, right, like the casting person 902 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 2: you know, and whoever else makes the decisions, they know 903 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 2: what they're doing. 904 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: Wait, so it's already out there in headlines. Who you 905 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: had a showman's with? 906 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 2: I had supposedly I had showmances with every single partner, 907 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 2: including way Newton, And that for sure is. 908 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: A okay, you supposedly, But I was that girl. 909 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 2: I was that girl. 910 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. 911 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,240 Speaker 2: I was definitely labeled as that woman. 912 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: Okay, well, what's a showman's. 913 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 2: Is just a they you hooked up with your partner 914 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 2: or you're whoever. 915 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,240 Speaker 1: Just during the show, did you ever have a relationship 916 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: that continued outside the show? 917 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 2: That was the problem? It was like, because it's seven 918 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: days a week, it was not the problem. Look, there's 919 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 2: a lot of great relationships that are people got married 920 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: from the show, right, But it's seven days a week. 921 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 2: You are consumed with each other like you're just constantly. 922 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 2: And also we've seen their insecurities. They're vulnerable, and especially 923 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 2: as a professional woman who was a ballroom dancer teaching. 924 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 2: Let's say the athlete, for example, who feels like this 925 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 2: macho mash all of a sudden has to be like 926 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can ship like nervous, and 927 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 2: he has. In order to be successful on Dancing with 928 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 2: the Stars, you have to be ready to be vulnerable, 929 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,240 Speaker 2: Like you gotta feel stupid, you gotta look stupid, you gotta. 930 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 3: Be okay with that, like, because we need to trust you. 931 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 2: That's the thing, because if your life is going to 932 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 2: be a living hell with me, I'll tell you that 933 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 2: one because that's the thing is. But the trust has 934 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 2: to come soon, Like it's not normal to trust someone 935 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 2: after only a few days. 936 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 3: Right, you said you were labeled that girl. Can you 937 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 3: count how many showmances you had? 938 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 2: Well, look, I was starting to be so First of all, 939 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 2: I was labeled as this party girl. So I was 940 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 2: always on TAMZ. If you remember, no kidd you do 941 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 2: anyway drinking days, yes, yes, oh I would be rolling 942 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 2: out of the club like yeah, this is before Ober. Okay, 943 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: good times. Anyway, I'm sober now for almost six years, 944 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 2: so congratulations, thank you. And with that comes no clubbing, 945 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 2: which is fine. I got that out of my system. 946 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like, look I was, I was 947 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 3: I was asking if she could count if you actually 948 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 3: had a number. 949 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 2: Let me, I mean, does anyone have a list of 950 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 2: my part I would say that's three? 951 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: Wow? 952 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 3: Three? 953 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: Any ever? Series? 954 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 2: Clearly no, No. Have I tried, Yes, we did, one 955 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 2: of them. We tried. It just wasn't gonna happen, like 956 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 2: fall in love with any of them. Like it's not 957 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,919 Speaker 2: love right, Like it's like if it is in that moment, 958 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,280 Speaker 2: then you're like, wait a second, how is this person 959 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 2: like in the real world? And then like all of 960 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 2: a sudden, the roles change, like I'm no longer an 961 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 2: influence in that set. So it's a weird control thing, 962 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 2: you know. 963 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: How about this? Any of the three? Did they ever 964 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: make headlines? Okay? So they were so people were aware. 965 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 2: So I mean one of them basically professes love to 966 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 2: me on Ellen DeGeneres. 967 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: Did I miss this? 968 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 3: I missed it? 969 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 2: Who? 970 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: Well, you said it's out there, so I might as 971 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: well say it now. 972 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 2: Oh Joe Sinko, I don't think that's the last name. 973 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: D Johnson, Chad good old Chad, good old Chad. So 974 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: that was a that was a good you call them, 975 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,919 Speaker 1: want to call them something else? 976 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 2: But it was that we were People were like, oh, 977 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 2: you're engaged to give you a diamonds and I was like, no, 978 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 2: it was never that serious. No, But like Ellen broke 979 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 2: the news, it was like a whole thing. I was like, head, 980 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 2: It's like it was slow that way. 981 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 3: But you're single now and like proud ready to ingle, 982 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 3: not ready to mingle, proudly single? 983 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: She need to give you a chance to get it 984 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: out this time. 985 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 3: No, I know I'm not ready, but I've I've seen 986 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 3: I've seen your social media feed. I mean, you are 987 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 3: a loud and proudly single for sure. How do you 988 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 3: have an idea of how long you want to be 989 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 3: working on yourself before you're ready? Or do you not 990 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 3: even want to give it a timeline? 991 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 2: Exactly like I I first of all, I would love 992 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 2: to play on my whole life like that on the timeline. 993 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,959 Speaker 2: But like I'm trying to be a recovering control freak 994 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 2: though it's still I'm still a major micromanager. But I 995 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 2: just need to know me first. I need to really 996 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 2: be comfortable in my own skin or Also'm going to 997 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 2: fall into that same pattern of clearly of what didn't 998 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 2: work for me. I wasn't a great picker. 999 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: Where are you on that journey? You said you still 1000 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:22,879 Speaker 1: have to figure out. 1001 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 2: I think forever I'll be on this journey like of 1002 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,919 Speaker 2: just learning. And this is the one thing I really 1003 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 2: miss when I was teaching and doing all the seasons 1004 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 2: on dancing, is that I miss learning like my brain 1005 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 2: like I just felt like I wanted to feed my 1006 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 2: soul with something that I don't know. 1007 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 3: You know, and stay tuned for more from Cheryl Burke 1008 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 3: in our next episode.