1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Thing from iHeart Radio. After a long political season full 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: of fundraising texts, constant campaign ads, and seemingly bottomless breaking news, 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: the moment we've all been waiting for is finally hear 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: it's election Day. I wanted to mark the occasion by 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: speaking with someone who was also deeply invested in the outcome. 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: Author and political pundit Malijiang Fast. As a member of 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: the press, a profession that's often found itself attacked by 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Chang Fast has been ringing the alarm bells 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: loudly about the forty fifth presidents escalating extremism and authoritarian bent. 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: She is a special correspondent for Vanity Fair, political analyst 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: for MSNBC, and host of the podcast Fast Politics with 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: Malijang Fasts. She's also the author of the books Girl 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Maladjusted and The Social Climber's Handbook. This is my second 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to interview Mollie. I spoke with her and her mother, 16 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: novelist Erika Jong, in twenty twelve on one of our 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: very first podcasts. Her father is author Jonathan Fast. Growing 18 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: up in a literary household meant that Jong Fast started 19 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: in the family business at a young age. Her first novel, 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: Normal Girl, was published when she was just twenty one 21 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: years old, a fact made even more impressive when you 22 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: learn she did not graduate from college. 23 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: So my education is I went to high school, which 24 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: was a win for may. I was never a student. 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: I was dyslexic. I was like the first person in 26 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: my family to not go to college, right, right. So 27 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: I went and wrote a book, and then I got 28 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: an MFA from Bennington. 29 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: So because I'm igner written, meaning that you can get 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: an MFA without having. 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 2: A BA theoretically, yes, I mean. 32 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: They made an exception for year, not a common pract 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: I've never done this before. 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: I think there are other people who've done it. I 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: had written some books, so I was able to make 36 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: a case that I add an equivalent to a college degree, 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: which I did not. 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: In fact, that's what happened to me with acting, where 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: they said to me, we want you to come back 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: and get your degree, and they said, we'll have you 41 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: write a paper and we'll wave write a sixty five 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: page thesis or whatever, but and will waive your studio 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: acting class requirements in light of your experience professionally over 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: the last like fifteen years. 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: So I went back and we did that. 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: That's what that's like. 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: We were commenting about how some people work as journalists. 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean one shining example, like a says Woodward, where 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: he evolves into a author and wat's books after years 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: of journalism, and you're. 51 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: Kind of the opposite. 52 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I very much said. 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: Right, And how what do you attribute that to? 54 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's ignorance. I thought you had to be an like. 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: I didn't understand how anything worked. I have these teenage 56 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: kids now, and I'm always like, well, so you should 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: do this, or you should do that, or you should 58 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: talk to people who'll have the job that you want. 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: Nobody ever explained to me that there were options. I 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: thought you wrote novels and then you died. 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: You know. 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that there were others, some awards, right, 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: maybe maybe I had a bestseller, maybe didn't. But you know, 64 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: I didn't know that you could like be a banker, 65 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: go to law school. I mean, these things just didn't 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: seem like things that people did or if. 67 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: You had to do over again, is it something else 68 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: you do? 69 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, being a dentist is really hard, right, 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: I have to say, like, there are certain things where 71 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: I just don't have the brain for them, like being 72 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: a waiter, Like when people start giving their orders, I 73 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: couldn't tell you what they had said. 74 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: The thing for me, though, was that when I think 75 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: about you, I think about somebody who writing this is 76 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: rather a solitary thing. 77 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate it because you're there sitting around and 78 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: basically you're just getting crazier and crazier. Oh, I'll go 79 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: have a snack, yeah, maybe a nap. I don't come back, 80 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, and three days later. I mean, it's just no, 81 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: it's so bad. It's a bad business. 82 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: All the great writers' children, yeah, many of the great 83 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: writer's children told me there was like a cheever or 84 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, like Ben Shever or Ben Yeah, 85 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: or Susan. They'd say, you know, dad just goes out 86 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: to that cabin in the backyard and don't you ever 87 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: knock on that door ever, Yeah, you never knock on 88 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: that doorsturb him. 89 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: That's the difference between male writers and female writers. For example, 90 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: my mom too, actually, but that was because she was 91 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: a little bit different. But like there are stories of 92 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was a sort of famous 93 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: female writer driving to the edge of her property, locking 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: herself in the car so she could write. Well, the 95 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: children were banging on the outside of the car, like 96 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: that's the female writer experience, the male writer experience. And 97 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: my mother dad, if that door, if you open that door, 98 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: forget it. Yeah. My grandfather was the same way. Howard Fast. 99 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: You'd wake up at five o'clock in the morning, you'd 100 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: be out there on the type. He had a typewriter, 101 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: and you'd hear it and you just knew. 102 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 3: You know, the Howard Fast is your grandfather. 103 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: Yea. 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: Now, when did you decide, and I'm assuming this is 105 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: obviously a decision you made with other people. What was 106 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the genesis of your on camera career? When do you 107 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: decide you were ready to go on cast? 108 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: So, I, you know, with everything it was like they 109 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: asked me to do. So I started with the networks 110 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: that are no longer in existence. So there was this 111 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: network called chatter. You could never see it anywhere except 112 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: in gas stations on the po the pump yes, and 113 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: the pump chadder. So I would do chattering right vacation. Yeah, 114 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: Maria Mduno's right exactly. She is, By the way, the 115 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: sort of, I want to say, the Walter Cronkite of 116 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: this genre. So I started by doing chatter you know 117 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: when you do at four am for the four to 118 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: six window, we might need you twice for you know. 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: And also another network that I just recently stopped going on, 120 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: but I loved going on it because it was so insane. 121 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: Was and I had to stop when I went down SNBC. 122 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: But Great Britain News gb News is the worst. It 123 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: is the dregs of society. So it's a cable network 124 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: started to sell brexit. Okay, it's biggest star is a 125 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: man called Nigel Farage, right right, who is just going 126 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: right without any positive qualities at all. And you go 127 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: on that show and they say to you, wow, you know, 128 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: they do like that Foxy thing. But even worse, you know, 129 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: well your many people are saying that that Joe Biden 130 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: is a demented old man who doesn't know where he died, 131 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: right exactly, and that the shadow Cabinet is now presidenting. 132 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: Tell us is that correct? And why is it correct? 133 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: And what can you shed on that? Right? 134 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: There was a lot of that, like Pierce Morgan style 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: stupid oh god. 136 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: But to get back to something which is so your 137 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: camera ready. When you decide your camera ready, you're you're 138 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: guesting on show. 139 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 2: Around twenty fifteen, I started writing political stuff and getting 140 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: into that. 141 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: Kind of a shift to political Yeah why. 142 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: Because my career as a novelist died and it was 143 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: actually yes or just having something for some purpose to 144 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: my life. So I had written this historical novel. I 145 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: can't it was Nazis or maybe it was something, and 146 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: I this Nazias and everything. I had given it to 147 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: this very fancy agent and he had said, oh my god, 148 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: this is unbelievable, and they got one person was like 149 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: this is incredible, and then crickets and then it didn't sell. 150 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: And at some point I was like, oh, this is 151 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: over for me, Like I cannot write novels like this, 152 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: and also I don't even know that I want to. 153 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: I went back to a place that I had written 154 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: for when I was like thirteen and the forward. I 155 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: started writing these pieces about politics every week. I got 156 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: better and better at doing it, and then I sort 157 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: of went to better places. So I went from there 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: to Glamour, and then I went to The Bulwark, and 159 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: then I went to Vogue, and then I went to 160 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: the Atlantic. They hired me at the Atlantic. That was 161 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: not a match. 162 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: Then I'll tell me why, because I subscribe to the 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Atlantic online. 164 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of great writers, a lot. 165 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: Of great writers. It was not a good place for me. 166 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: They felt I was too left, which is, if you 167 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: think about it, kind of hilarious because I'm actually not that, 168 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: you know, I mean a pro democracy for sure, but 169 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: ultimately a lot of people on the left don't think 170 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: on and yeah, I would like us all not to die, 171 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: you know, with the country getting hotter and hotter. So 172 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: it just was not a match. And so I went 173 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: to Unty Fair and that's where I've been for a 174 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: couple of years. But I had to sort of work 175 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: my way back into the career that I had wanted. 176 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: And it was pretty interesting and it was a lot 177 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: of humility, which was great, and a lot of just 178 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: chopping wood and carrying water and like, there is a lot, 179 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: I mean, what's cool about American life, And and this is 180 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: obviously not as true as it should be. And you'll 181 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: see people like who've been incarcerated, who aren't able to 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: have these kind of revivals in their lives, which is 183 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: why we have to work on you know, making the 184 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: world better for people who have been incarcerated or people 185 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: who have had I had a very lucky opportunity to 186 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: sort of start over in the middle of my life. 187 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: And a lot of people are able to do that 188 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: in American life. And we're lucky, and that's why we 189 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: have to make it so that other people can do 190 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: like it. 191 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that, because that's certainly something that 192 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: is not a condition of life in other countries, even 193 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: in the Western European country. 194 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for you to start. 195 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: Again, right, And that's another question, and it's really important. 196 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: And like I mean, I have these three teenage children 197 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: and my husband I always talking about like in France, 198 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: if you don't get into the good schools, you're fucked, right, 199 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: you know, there's a certain track and you're on it 200 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: and that's it. And that's not how it is in 201 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: American life. 202 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: So you were guesting on shows, yes, and then you when. 203 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Did you decide or did somebody else decide to someone 204 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: tap you on the show say let's go, or did 205 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: you pitch to somebody. 206 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: I don't have my own show. I'm still just a guest, 207 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: but I'm a podcast. Yes, I have the podcast. I 208 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: have the podcast at iHeart, and you know, I just 209 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: am a contributor at MSNBC. 210 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: You still are, Yeah, you're still a Vanity Fair and 211 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: you're still at MSMB. 212 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also do iHeart. I am a part 213 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: of the gig economy, so I have these many jobs, 214 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: but I got better at it. It was funny. I 215 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: was actually talking to a TV executive who is now 216 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: retired on the phone the other day and I was like, 217 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 2: how do you get a show if you wanted to 218 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: get a show theoretically, And he was talking to me 219 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 2: about someone who has a very big show now and 220 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: he said, you know, he just came for Christmas. He 221 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: worked on Christmas and Thanksgiving at four o'clock in the morning, 222 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: and you know, and that's sort of what I've been 223 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: trying to do, is just you know, working. 224 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: The only one who I really watch with any REGULARIA 225 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: is O'Donnell. 226 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: He's so smart. 227 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: O'donnald brings a sensibility to that that's really it's not 228 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: about me white men. 229 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: And I actually text him all the time. But you know, 230 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Lawrence has worked in the Senate, you know, he worked 231 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: in the House. I mean, he just is really a 232 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: lot of history. So you can talk to him and 233 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: you can say you know what about 'LBJ and he'll 234 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: be like, wow, da da da. And I think all 235 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: any of us have is historical president, right, because especially 236 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: when it comes to polling, we don't have great data. 237 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the big lie now, if you're gonna 238 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: talk about like them, this moment in American politics is 239 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: right now. In this moment, we have polls which are 240 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: highly speculative, a lot of voodoo math going on, and 241 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: then we have early voting and that's it. So whenever 242 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: you're listening to someone, always sort of think to yourself, like, 243 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: what information is this person going on? And historical information 244 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 2: is in itself at least it actually happened. Yeah. 245 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: Now, which would you say is your favorite or preferred medium? Writing? Radio, podcast, television. 246 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: So writing is the worst because you want to die 247 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 2: and writing a memoir, right, writing a memoir effectiveness, effectiveness, 248 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: I mean it's just different muscles. Writing is you get 249 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: a great sentence, but you know, writing is hard because 250 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: you are fighting, you're swimming upstream and this is like 251 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: even saying this, I feel very depressed because it's something 252 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: my grandfather used to say. But you know, it's hard 253 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: to get people to read. Like, it's not it's not 254 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: issues you right, it's not any lot of books out there, right, 255 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 2: it's not anyone's preferred method of community, you know, like, oh, 256 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: let me sit down and read a book. I mean, 257 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: my husband reads like ten books a day, but I 258 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: don't think that's the norm. 259 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: That's yeah. 260 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's literally You're like, why are you staring 261 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 2: at your phone and he's just reading? 262 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 263 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they you know, you write what you 264 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: say on television to a certain extent, and if you 265 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: you know, and if you're doing a monologue on a 266 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: show you write it. 267 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: You actually looks like a movie in terms of you 268 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: to predict that people are going to want to read 269 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: that eighteen months from now. 270 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobody knows. 271 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: No. 272 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: I mean, this is the answer. It's funny because I 273 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: wrote this piece. I have a great editor of Vannie Fair. 274 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with him. He's so wonderful. He really respects me, 275 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: lets me write what I want to write. So I said, 276 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to write a piece about how no one 277 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: knows anything. And he was like, yes, but you could 278 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: tell he was just like, Oh, why are you gonna 279 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: write a piece about how no one knows anything. And 280 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: I wrote this piece which was basically nobody knows how 281 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: it's going to play out, which is true, and we 282 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: were all like, oh, this might be a little and 283 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: then like, you know, a few days later, someone wrote 284 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: in another magazine that I am not as fond of that, 285 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: the same piece, you know that nobody knows anything, and 286 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I was right, you know, so nobody. 287 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: I mean, we know some things, but we don't know 288 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: nearly as much as we need you to think in 289 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: order for you to turn on the television. 290 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: Well where I think that MSNBC. What bothered me when 291 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: I was there was I was like, man, if you 292 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: just had one writer on your staff could write because 293 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: each segment I saw some of these people, even the 294 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: highest rated people, that they say the same thing seven times, 295 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: they cover the same ground seven. 296 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: Times, and sometimes things like for example, there was this 297 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: study published by Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns 298 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: Hopkins about SB eight, which is this Texas abortion bell. 299 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: So a year before the Supreme Court overturned Row, the 300 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: Texas state legislature, which, by the way, in case you 301 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: want to find a state where everything sucks in the legislature. 302 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: It's Texas, I mean, followed by Oklahoma. Oklahoma with the 303 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: legislation is just the things they're passing is just brainworms. 304 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: I mean, trust me, in New York State looks like 305 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: you know, Paris, France compared to this. So SBA comes 306 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: out of Texas and it is no abortions after six weeks. 307 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: So the state of Texas really had overturned ROW a 308 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: year before the Supreme Court. And what this study found 309 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: was that these women are walking coffins. That they were 310 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: about two hundred and forty eight excess deaths of infants. 311 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: You had babies born that were going to die. So 312 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: women would carry these babies and then they would die 313 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: or they would die within the first ninety days of life. 314 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: And so and we're going to see much more of this, 315 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: but this is like the first sort of. 316 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: Because we're fantasy people to go through those. 317 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: Three years out. Yes, and you see people on the 318 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: right defending this, well, we've saved all of these embryos, right, 319 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: all these women were forced to carry. You know, these 320 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: fetuses survived, but these women were forced to carry these 321 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: babies that were going to inevitably die. And that that 322 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: is the legacy of Donald Trump. 323 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Author and correspondent Mali Jang Fast. If you enjoy conversations 324 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: with dogged political writers, check out my episode with Jane Mayer. 325 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 5: Just even the opening of it, where it's got the 326 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 5: Money Money Song and him coming in on a helicopter 327 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 5: and a limousine is meeting him and some beautiful girl 328 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 5: gets out of it with a clipboard for him. It's 329 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 5: like a fantasy of what being rich is. One of 330 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 5: the stories I loved the most was interviewing Tony Schwartz, 331 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 5: who wrote the Art of the Deal, and he said 332 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 5: people think there's more to Trump and that there's another Trump, 333 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 5: and when he gets elected, he's going to be different. 334 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: He said, there is. 335 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: No one Trump. 336 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 5: It's all like, you know, a centimeter deep. 337 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: To hear more of my conversation with Jane Mayer, go 338 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing dot org. After the break, Malli 339 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Joan Fast shares her perspective on the people that currently 340 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: have Trump's confidences. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to 341 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: Here's the Thing. Mally jan Fasts novels and memoirs like 342 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: Normal Girl and the Sex Doctors in the Basement, True 343 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: stories from a semi celebrity childhood were inspired by her 344 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: wild years as a young adult coming of age in 345 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: New York City. I wanted to know if she was 346 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: willing to share with me a little bit about the 347 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: years since spent in sobriety. 348 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: I'm always talking about it. I won't shut up about it. 349 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: Like someone DM me the other day and was like, 350 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 2: you know, we have this anonymity at Press Radio, but 351 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: I break my anonymity. I'm sober since I was nineteen 352 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: years old. The only reason I went to rehab was 353 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: because I had seen a movie with that actress from 354 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: the bus s. Yes, she's a coke iad no. She 355 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: was in a movie about a rehab, right, And I 356 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'll go to rehab. That was it. 357 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: That's how you got Yeah. I thought, this looks okay. 358 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: It's like a spa. I had a drug dealer called Felix. 359 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: His He had an apartment on the Upper West Side 360 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: and I would sit with his girlfriend and watch Baywatch. 361 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: They had a pitfall, because you have to have people 362 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: and you know, do cocaine and watch by Watch. That's 363 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: how you know what EURO was. 364 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: I had a woman who was a drug dealer whose 365 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: husband was a dug dealer and he gets arrested. So 366 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: the drug dealers come to her and they say, your husband, 367 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: he owes us a lot of money, and you're. 368 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: Going to pay us. Right, you're going to sell the coke. 369 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 3: Now you're a coke dealer. 370 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: Now you're gonna If you don't sell the coke and 371 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: pay us back, we're not going to tell you to 372 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: pay us. You sell the coke and pay us back, 373 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: and if you don't, your husband's going to be killed 374 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: in prison. 375 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: We're going to murder him. 376 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: And probably that's nice, but she was like, got it. 377 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: God, I don't need to write anything down. No, I 378 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: don't need a pen. I'm good. 379 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: That's like the Donald Trump thing, though, don't ever write 380 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: anything down. He doesn't write anything down, he doesn't send emails, 381 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: and that is how he's managed to get away with us. 382 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of Donald Trump, yeah, I mean many of these people, 383 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: particularly from a certain political stripe where they're relatively incurious people, 384 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: so someone else is getting all the work done, George 385 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: Bush Junior, and they're like a hood ornament, and then 386 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: other people With Trump, I was always mystified, saddened, crushed 387 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: by how many bad guys there were out there that 388 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: were going to come and take over the government yea, 389 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: and run everything for him. More now and even more now, 390 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm mortified. But who do you think has Trump's ear now? 391 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: In a previous election in twenty sixteen, it was Bannon. 392 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: So certainly there's some dynamic where Don Junior has really 393 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: got a you know, because it used to be a 394 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 2: Vanka And now I think because remember Don Junior, at 395 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: least he claims to have been really instrumental in the 396 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: Jadie Vance pick, right, which was I think if we 397 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: go back and look at this election, and again no 398 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: one knows what's going to happen, but if he loses, 399 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: I think that picking jd Vance will certainly have been 400 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: one of the reasons why, because it's just he's not 401 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: for anyone. You added Nikki Haley to that ticket, and 402 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: you say, well, he's you know, he overturned Vy Wade, 403 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: he's bad for women, he's the quote unquote father of IVF, 404 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: whatever the fuck that means. But he's at least trying 405 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: to grow his electorate. Right. One of the things about Trump, 406 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: which has been true since twenty sixteen, has never tried 407 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: to grow his electorate. He's only ever been a bass play. 408 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: So for example, he'll go on these interviews. You know, 409 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: even there was a Sean Hannity interview where Sean Handy said, 410 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, you said you wanted to be a dictator, 411 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: but we all know, right, Fox is trying to get 412 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: him to pivot to a general election, right to this strategy. Right, 413 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: the strategy is always you pivot to the general election. 414 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: You say, you know, I'm not gonna actually do these 415 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: death camps. I'm just gonna have you know. It was 416 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: just as right exactly, We're not gonna have you know, 417 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: mass deportation now, which were the signs, you know, because 418 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: we want to appeal to the people who just want 419 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: tax cuts, so we're gonna have minor deportation, easy, right, 420 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna lie a little bit. And at every point 421 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: he said no, you know. So so Sean Hannity says, 422 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: you say you want to be dictator on day one, 423 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: but you don't really want to be dictator on day one, 424 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: And he said, I want to be a dictator ater 425 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: on day one. Drill baby dreft. Right. And by the way, 426 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: where you know, America's never produce more oil and gas 427 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: than it does right now, so. 428 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: More than they told in the world. 429 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and more than any of us need, is than 430 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: none of. 431 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: Us money to be made by people who hate the Yeah, 432 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: who hate the future. 433 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 2: That's right. 434 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: They don't want the future to cover that's right. 435 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: The reason I asked that is because and I love 436 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: your answer that he does. He never changes, he never grows. 437 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: It's the same spiel now as it was eight years ago. 438 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: There's one pile of these things, and there's one that 439 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: stands alone of my greatest fears if he gets elected. 440 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that I fear will happen. 441 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: One of the first things that jumps to my mind 442 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: is are we gonna have a war with China over Taiwan? 443 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: I was reading a great article, but it was a 444 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick in the New York or somebody here, what about 445 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: this issue about You know, this is a lot of 446 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: military watchers, Pentagon level veterans are sitting and saying. 447 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: This is very real. 448 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we could we could end up in a war 449 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: with them over this because they've announced they want to nationalized. 450 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's one of this guy who's in there 451 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: now in China says he wants to bang wants to 452 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: unify everything and Taiwan back. 453 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: But Trump is not going to protect Taiwan. I think 454 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: you'll be like she didn't. You know, you want Taiwan, 455 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: what's it worth is. 456 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: You're going to have it? Nobody wants Nobody wants it. 457 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: I mean, the reason America started manufacturing chips, right, even 458 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: Biden World, they brought manufacturing chips because all the chips 459 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: are ring made in Taiwan, and they were like, holy shit, 460 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: this could really be a problem. 461 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: Right. 462 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: But my other thing, aside from a pile of specifics 463 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: like the environment and military conflicts and so forth, my 464 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: biggest thing is that the left, liberals, progressives, democrats, whatever 465 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: word you want to use, I don't really don't give 466 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: a shit anymore. 467 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: And I'm too old to care. Ye now, I'm too tired. 468 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: They're going to give up. They're going to give up. 469 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: They're going to sit there and look at the system 470 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: and say, any country where you voted for this guy 471 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: the first time and you didn't know who he was 472 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: and you got cajoled into doing this, but now you 473 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: know who he is and you had four years of 474 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: somebody who really did a fairly good job. I mean, 475 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: I think Biden is somebody who doesn't get enough credit 476 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: for what he did. Things are certainly going to be 477 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: better with her in terms of her level of experience. 478 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: Another guy who when he ran the first time had 479 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: no political record, Now he's running again and learn nothing 480 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: on the job for four years. 481 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: He came out the same way. Right. But my point is. 482 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: Is that I think that not everybody, and not even 483 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: a majority, but a significant number of people are gonna 484 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: sit they're and go write checks for these campaigns for congressmen, 485 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: congress women, senators and other states to try to keep 486 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: the whole system in balance, to try to deal with 487 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: the frailty of liberal politics in this country. 488 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 3: Fuck that. I don't want to bother anywing. It doesn't work. 489 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. If he wins again, I think there's 490 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of people who are just 491 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: politics is going to go off their list of concerns. 492 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't even watch TV anymore news? 493 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: I mean or the answer is that the country is 494 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: too big to govern and not a country that includes 495 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: ALLMA and New York is not the right. You know 496 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: that you sizing here right well, that we have something 497 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: that's a little bit off because for example, and I 498 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 2: actually think, and again this is there's a number of 499 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: reasons why this could actually be quite bad. But one 500 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: of Trump's things is he's going to you know, like, 501 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: for example, with California with the fires, California needed federal money, 502 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: forest fires horrible. He was like, are these my people? 503 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: Are these my voters or are these you know, Democrats? 504 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: Because I'm not going to give money to people who 505 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: don't like transaction. Right, If you're in a state that's 506 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: run by a guy like Avenuwsom, where you're the fifth 507 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: biggest economy in the world, and you're paying into a 508 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: federal government that won't fucking give you money for forest fires, like, 509 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: there's a moment where you think like, oh, we're not 510 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: doing this anymore. So, I mean I could see a world, 511 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that New York figures this out, 512 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 2: but I could see a world where California is like, 513 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: fuck you, you know, if we're going to pay billions 514 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: of dollars in federal taxes and you're going to tell 515 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 2: us we can't do what we want and not give 516 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: us disaster relief, you know. So I think there are 517 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: all sorts of crazy things that could happen if Trump 518 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: wins that are not necessarily. 519 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: Good, Well I think. 520 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not endorsing them in any way, but 521 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, this transactional way of running the 522 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: federal government sooner or later will end with states being like, 523 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: why should I pay into this if I can't get out? Right, 524 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: New York. 525 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Which gets what is the over under? It's thirty billion. Yeah, 526 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: dollars a year goes to other states to fund things 527 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: that doesn't come back. How much do we send to 528 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: Washington comes back from Washington? The number is like hideous. 529 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the question is why do it? And I 530 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: think that's a real question. I mean that, by the way, 531 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: is not good. I mean Brexit was terrible for the 532 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: British economy because they did this. It is sort of 533 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: the same thing, right they said, I don't want to, 534 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 2: you know, have Polish plumbers coming here, so we're going 535 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: to just sanction ourselves. I mean, that's it is a self. 536 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not good economically for the country. It's 537 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: not good. But you know, if you have a president 538 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: who is playing that game with federal funding, I think 539 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 2: you're going to see more of it. 540 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: Well, I'm somebody who I can't help but see things 541 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: in the plainest terms. I'll sit there and go what 542 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: is going on with the political consensus, the political organism 543 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: in the state of Arizona. Where you see that Phoenix 544 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: had one hundred degree whether for one hundred days in 545 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: a row, they never had that performance. Isn't this of 546 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: any concern to you? You can't vote for one person 547 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: in a political office in the whole state. Forget about 548 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: federal election. We include the federal But who doesn't offer 549 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: you some ideas to address that issue? And they don't 550 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: bring it up. If you're living in Phoenix, Arizona, are 551 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: you insane that you know what you are? 552 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: You insane that you don't want this struve? 553 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: If it was one hundred degrees in New York for 554 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: one hundred days in a row, yeah, you bet, people 555 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: would be flipping out and screaming. 556 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. People say to me, why do you live in 557 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: the people care? 558 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: But Arizona has a democratic governor, and I would say that, 559 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: like one of the weird things about climate if you're 560 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: just going to be a little optimistic, I hate being 561 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: the optimist here, but okay, is that Texas has this 562 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: climate problem, right, it's very hot. They have this shitty 563 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 2: grid that is decentralized, not attached to the federal because 564 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: they are Texans, so they don't want to be on 565 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 2: the federal they don't want to hear that federal But 566 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: also energy from the grid, and they've had to go 567 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: largely solar because the renewables are a better bet, right, right, 568 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: because right, and they also just work better. And so 569 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: you know, the good news is that renewables are cheaper 570 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 2: and they're better, and they work better, and we're on 571 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: the edge of them being cheaper than you know, they're already. Like, 572 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: the reason that coal is going away is not because 573 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: people love the earth, it's it's so expansible, exactly. 574 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: Author Mallijang Fast. If you're enjoying this conversation, tell a 575 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: friend and be sure to follow Here's the Thing on 576 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 577 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: When we come back, Mallyjang Fast shares the endgame of 578 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five and how it could affect the 579 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: next generation of Americans. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening 580 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing. I spoke with Malijang Fast in 581 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: late October leading up to election day One of the 582 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: more alarming factors of the twenty twenty four election is 583 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five, a nine hundred page manifesto of 584 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: radical proposals from a conservative tank that outlines plans for 585 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: a second Trump administration. Mali Jiang Fast is one political 586 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: writer well versed in this subject. 587 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: I did a YouTube series on Project twenty twenty five 588 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: a couple months ago, where I interviewed a lot of 589 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: academics who are not necessarily television people. I mean, some 590 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: of them are. 591 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: But where can people find them? 592 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: It's on If you google YouTube Malli Jong Fast, Project 593 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, it comes up. Yeah. Basically, what I 594 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: did was I talked to like this woman, Theedra Scott Pell, 595 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: who is an academic who studies at Harvard who studied 596 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: the advent of the tea party and sort of the 597 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: outgrowth of it, and she's talked to a lot of people. 598 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: I talked to a guy called Thomas Zimmer from Georgetown 599 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: and we talked about what it would look like and 600 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: what Project twenty twenty five does, which, by the way, 601 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: I want to say. 602 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: Those are the details. It was authored by, who it 603 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: came if, it was. 604 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: Honored by, it's from the Heritage Foundation. It was published 605 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: on the Heritage Foundation site. Donald Trump disabout it even 606 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: though like fifty people who wrote it worked in his administration, 607 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: or maybe more it's you know, the president of the 608 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation had his introduction of his book written by 609 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: Jadie Vance. Kevin Roberts is his name, the president of 610 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation. There are so many This thing is 611 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: like interconnected, like you can't believe. So the idea that 612 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: somehow Donald Trump is not connected to Project twenty twenty 613 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: five is complete lie. And even more so is that 614 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: today this morning when he was on the curvy couch 615 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: on Fox News, Fox and Friends with his sycophantic minions, 616 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: he said, we're going to get rid of the Department 617 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: of Education, which is one of the tenants of Project 618 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is to end the federal Department of Education. 619 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: So that means pelgrants. That means money for the red 620 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: states where the education is not funded as well comes 621 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: from federal money. It will know more, what do. 622 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: The advertise is the benefit of that. They want to 623 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: will limit the Department of Education for what purpose? 624 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: They hate the federal government to make a jumbise soillienaires 625 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: can have tax cuts. They're selling Christian nationalism, right, They're 626 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: selling you know, you don't want the government involved in your. 627 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: School forcing your kid to mean to kill a mocking. 628 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: Right, exactly. You don't want the federal government. You just 629 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: want the state. By the way, let me just add 630 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: the end game with all of this is to get 631 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: people out of public schools and into religious schools. That's 632 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: the school voucher thing, right. The goal here is to 633 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: end public schools because public schools are non denominational. And 634 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: when you look at a lot of the Project twenty 635 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: twenty five stuff, it's to really get religion into teaching. 636 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: And in fact, in Oklahoma, which we talked about before, 637 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: Oklahoma is a place where they've sort of been trying 638 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 2: out at the state level a lot of the Project 639 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five fantasies including Bibles and schools, the Ten 640 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: Commandments and schools reuniting or perhaps putting church and state 641 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: back together again as reassembling, right exactly. 642 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: Well, I mean what I. 643 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: Find is that when people say to you, when one party, 644 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: the Republican Party, seems to want to dumb down the 645 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: electrode as much as possible, I think those are easier 646 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: to manipulate fear. You want to inject as much fear 647 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: into all. 648 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: Of the discussion about big government. 649 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: And what I also noticed the Republican Party the party 650 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: of the wealthiest people. 651 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: In this country for the most part. 652 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean people who are giants in my business 653 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: are Republicans who own the companies. 654 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: And you know the Trump tax cuts. I mean, this 655 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: is like the unwritten story of this whole election is 656 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: the Trump tax cuts expire in twenty twenty five. So 657 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: some of them are just like a Nelson poultse is just. 658 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: Don't care about right, right, They don't care about abortion 659 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: or gay marriage or whatever. But the thing is is 660 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: that these people they want to dumb it all down 661 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: and they want to inject that level of fear in there. 662 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 1: And it's working in this country where you see that 663 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: this guy could have run in twenty sixteen and fooled people, right, 664 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: and he's close to fooling them. 665 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very close. 666 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that this race is even this 667 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: close at all. Can you imagine if Biden didn't jump 668 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: drop out, imagine we'd be dead. Yeah, So for that, 669 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: I want to thank her, even even though I have 670 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: my criticisms of her. Yeah. I mean, as Democrats, we 671 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: have nothing but criticisms of our own party, criticize everybody, 672 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: whereas the other side just they just circle the wagons. 673 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 674 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: But my biggest fear in this election is that an 675 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: enormous swath of people will give up on. 676 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: Politics in this country. Right. They may not move out 677 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: of the country, although I know some people were contemplating that. 678 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: Yeah they might. 679 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: They might sit there and say, I'm going to give 680 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: myself a couple of years to get away from it. 681 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: So I don't want to watch it burn down. The 682 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: only thing, off, of course, that I worry about is 683 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court too. 684 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, worry about a couple of people are going 685 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: to go right. 686 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: No. 687 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: I mean it's October eighteenth, and I'm still very optimistic 688 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: about this election. So I'm very optimistic. I'm seeing early 689 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: numbers out of Pennsylvania. They look good. I think that 690 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: the fact that the bottom of the ticket has the 691 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: Democrats so ahead and the top of the ticket is 692 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: so tight is some kind of math. I just think 693 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: this is going to go better than we think. 694 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: What do you think Trump's gonna do if he loses Marlago? 695 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: Selling States water watches? I mean, I think he'll try 696 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: to keep as much power as he can, and you're 697 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: gonna have ultimately, you will have Republicans say, you know 698 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 2: they're gonna have a reckoning. Right this whole time they 699 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: have refused to. I mean in twenty twenty four, we 700 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: knew that he wasn't the best candidate for them and 701 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: that if they and picnicky Haley they could have won, right. 702 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they still win with him, but he's 703 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: certainly not a great candidate, and they're gonna I think 704 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: they'll have a reckoning and they'll have to figure it out. 705 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 3: What do you think the chances are he'll be in jail? 706 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: You know, the federal cases are really bad. Like you 707 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 2: don't want everyone saying me, like, once you get indicted 708 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: in a federal case, because we're talking about the mayor 709 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: who has numerous federal indictments and more comings supposedly a 710 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: superseding indictment or something else, once they get you on 711 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: a federal indictment, that's no good. You really don't want that. 712 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 2: So I don't know that he goes to jail. I 713 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: feel like there's more of like a house arrest scenario. 714 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: You know something right, ankle basic right, I mean, what 715 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: are you going to send the Secret Service to jail? 716 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 2: That doesn't make a lot of sense. I think that's 717 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: more likely than just I think that's. 718 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: A great essay. You should write, Secret Service in Jail. 719 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: I think it described to describe Trump's Trump walks into 720 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: the cafeteria and they all have their arm around their 721 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: meat loaf or whatever, and then the secrets It was like, 722 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: could you clear this table place President's citting there for 723 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: his meat. 724 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I think he won't go to jail. 725 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 2: But federal cases really, I mean you you know, and 726 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: the fundamental thing which we should be saying every day 727 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: is that Donald Trump is running for president, so he 728 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 2: doesn't go to jail, which is yeah, absolutely, and because 729 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 2: he can pay his legal fees. 730 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 3: What are you working on now? You're gonna write another 731 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 3: book or no? 732 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: So I have this book coming out in June about 733 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: a memoir called How to Lose Your Mom, about my 734 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: mom having dementia and my husband getting cancer and my 735 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 2: year where everybody kind of imploded and your. 736 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: Husband had cancer, your mom's dementia, and your kids are teenagers. Yes, yeah, 737 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: but the free lemons across the board in the slot 738 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: machine here. 739 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: They're fun though way, and one of them's in college. 740 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: When you say how to lose your mom, I can't 741 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: imagine how one would lose their mom. When your mom 742 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: is your mom, you figured she was never going to 743 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: stop talking for the rest of her life. And if 744 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: so fact, we're going to play a clip here from 745 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: the last show we did, which was back in twenty twelve. 746 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 4: On the one hand, you're supposed to look like a 747 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 4: fashion model retouched, and on the other hand, you're supposed 748 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 4: to claim to a sophistication you don't and cannot have 749 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 4: at that age. And I think that women who are 750 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen are in the most difficult position they have 751 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 4: ever been in modern society. 752 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: What do you think about that? 753 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, I think there's a lot of sexuality. 754 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 2: I think it's not explained to young girls in a 755 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 2: way very confusing, Molly. But I think that's a legacy 756 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 2: of the family movement. I mean, we said we. 757 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 4: Want a legacy of the feminist movement. It is a 758 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 4: legacy in here, I really feel fierce. It is the 759 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 4: legacy of a distortion of women's desire for equal rights. 760 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 4: Equal rights are not platform shoes. You can't and naked 761 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,479 Speaker 4: clothes equal rights. 762 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 2: But you can't blow up an atom bomb and then 763 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 2: choose how it's going to go. 764 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 3: But we. 765 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 4: We did not blow up that atom bomb. The media 766 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 4: took our legitimate desire for equality and turned it into garbage. 767 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: But they turned it into what the people wanted. First 768 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 2: of all, I don't think they wouldn't exist. 769 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 3: People the media what the people want. 770 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment from a response to 771 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: Victoria's secret. Let me ask you something which is And 772 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: of course there's many many possibilities here. It goes without saying, 773 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: but pick one of the things that your fondest of 774 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: that your mother taught you. 775 00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: Everything very fabulous about me comes from my mom. Know, 776 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 2: every weird French word I've worked into my right, my oubra, 777 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 2: every you know, fabulous trip, every city that I know, 778 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 2: I know it because she showed it to me. Right, 779 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 2: Every beautiful piece of jewelry was hers. Everything that is 780 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: glamorous and fabulous and ephemeral comes from my mom, and 781 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: a lot of the intellectual stuff too. So I'm very 782 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: I owe her a great dedication. 783 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 3: She gave the world. 784 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 2: She really did, and she was and my mom was 785 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: so struggled with alcoholism her whole life, and if anything, 786 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 2: I am just so lucky that I was able to 787 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 2: get sober. And I am not in any way better 788 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 2: than she is. And I have the exact same disease 789 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 2: and our grandmother, my grandmother had it too, and it's 790 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: just it is just the legacy of alcoholism. So I 791 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 2: am forever grateful and also forever said about how hard 792 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 2: it's been yeah for her. 793 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: One of our favorite episodes, Oh thank you. 794 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: My thanks to Mali jang Fast And just a reminder, 795 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: if you haven't yet had the opportunity to do so, 796 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: please vote today. You can go to vote dot org 797 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: to check your registration status, see who is on the ballot, 798 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: and find your polling place. That's vote dot Org. Here's 799 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: the Thing is recorded at CDM Studios. This episode was 800 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: produced by Kathleen Russo, Zach MacNeice, and Maureen Hobin. Our 801 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: engineer is Frank Imperial. Our social media manager is Danielle Gingrich. 802 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the Thing is brought to you 803 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: by iHeart Radio.