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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe.

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Speaker 3: We're just having a conversation about introverts and extroverts. And

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Speaker 3: I think about that a lot as an introvert, when

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Speaker 3: I just can't, or I get there and I think

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Speaker 3: I can't do this, I leave, which I don't know

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Speaker 3: what that is like.

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Speaker 2: Introvert with.

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Speaker 3: Some desire to be an extrovert or something, because I

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Speaker 3: know introverts is like I never want to be there.

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Speaker 3: I've never been there and want to stay there. It's

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Speaker 3: just they're perfectly fine with zero. I must have the

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Speaker 3: desire for something. But it reminded me of there's this

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Speaker 3: YouTube video with David Letterman and a whole bunch of

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Speaker 3: other big time comedians are actually discussing the death.

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Speaker 2: Of Norm mcdonaldnald anyway.

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Speaker 3: So it's Letterman, Dave Chappelle, Conan O'Brien, Adam Sandler, David's Maade,

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Speaker 3: a bunch of heavyweight other like funny people and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. And they get onto the conversation about knowing

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Speaker 3: each other in real life and everything like that, and

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Speaker 3: David Letterman said in reality or no, he said, in theory,

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Speaker 3: I would love to have dinner with each and ever

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Speaker 3: one of you. Like Conan had said something about trying

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Speaker 3: to go out to eat with David Letterman, good luck,

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Speaker 3: he said.

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Speaker 2: In theory.

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Speaker 3: Letterman said, in theory, I'd like to go out to

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Speaker 3: eat with each and every one of you. But in reality,

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Speaker 3: it's just never going to happen. And I thought that

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Speaker 3: is interesting. He's got that, like I've got it where

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Speaker 3: I'd kind of like to like the idea of it

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Speaker 3: is great, this is never going to happen in reality.

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Speaker 2: What is that? It's just somewhere on the spectrum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely you've identified there's like a

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Speaker 1: group of complete introverts who don't even feel the desire

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Speaker 1: I think it moves up to people who are kind

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Speaker 1: of fifty to fifty issue or whatever. You know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where I am exactly, but I've mentioned this before.

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Speaker 1: It made a real impression on me and actually helped

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Speaker 1: me reading Thomas Jefferson saying his natural inclination is for solitude.

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Speaker 1: And I can't remember precisely how he phrased it. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it was quite elegant, but he said, but I

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Speaker 1: realized I get really weird and angry and like alienated

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Speaker 2: So I've got to reach out to other people. And

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Speaker 2: I thought, yep, that's me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll have to work on that when my kids

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Speaker 3: leave the house, because with kids, I kind of get

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Speaker 3: pulled into social interactions all the time, Like I've had

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Speaker 3: a gazillion this week, just with the week before school.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's just meetings and this and that and

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Speaker 3: sporting events and whatever. But without kids, I could see

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Speaker 3: myself getting pretty isolated pretty fast. Well and clearly, I'll

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Speaker 3: let you speak for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make any assumptions, but year old

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Speaker 1: pal alcohol was kind of helpful in you know, social

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just for me, Yeah, that is an interesting thing

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Speaker 3: that desire. But the one thing that makes me know

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Speaker 3: I am an introvert as opposed to like an extrovert,

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Speaker 3: which I've had people tell me I am. And I

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Speaker 3: just don't know order wherever I know that I get

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Speaker 3: drained by people as opposed to energized.

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Speaker 2: That's the big key. As I've known.

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Speaker 3: Extroverts, that must be awesome to be an extrovert where

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Speaker 3: you get energized by being around other people.

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Speaker 2: It gives you more energy to take on to the

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Speaker 2: day as opposed to like it just like sucks the life.

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Speaker 1: All right, So anybody can answer, because I think we're

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Speaker 1: all kind of introverts. Small group of people you really

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Speaker 1: like that you're comfortable with.

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Speaker 2: Sure, to me, I can do that a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I played golf the other day with three friends

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Speaker 2: We went out to dinner.

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Speaker 1: I did not have any of the I'm exhausted feeling

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise, you know, just meeting new people and blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: That's the that's the dividing line, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, just you saying that gonna be a bunch of

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Speaker 3: new people you don't know there, I'm picturing a big

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Speaker 3: loud table at a restaurant. Ah, yeah, Katie, I'm doing

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Speaker 3: the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You know. I had a physical reaction to that as

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Speaker 1: similar as if he was talking about like Big Harry

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Speaker 1: similar reaction. Wow, crazy, You know. Well, each the extroverts

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Speaker 1: think they're normal, and there's something wrong with introverts.

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Speaker 2: Introverts are in your DEMI we leave you alone, we

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Speaker 2: leave you alone. You won't leave us alone?

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Speaker 1: Right right?

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Speaker 2: All right? Well, enough of that.

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to that AI breakthrough an

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Speaker 1: animation and how instead of it taking years to animate

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Speaker 2: A great story.

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Speaker 3: But among others, I want to hear more of what

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Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier about that study about how smartphones are

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Speaker 3: even worse than we think, oh of what they're doing

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Speaker 3: to us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Bit of a downer that one. But let's take a

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Speaker 1: fond look back at the week that was. First, it's

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Speaker 1: cow clips.

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Speaker 2: Of the Week's punch them doggies, it's cow hips. Wake up, America.

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Speaker 2: This is a serious moment we're gonna have thrown at

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Speaker 2: us by Pootin for you one another truth. We saw that.

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Speaker 4: Russia continued its violence into Ukraine last night, launching even

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Speaker 4: more drones.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of that?

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Speaker 5: In his mind that helps him make a better deal,

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Speaker 5: it actually hurts him.

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Speaker 3: There's a very real chance President Trump will get up

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Speaker 3: and leave if Putin refuses to concede anything.

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Speaker 6: You'll have some land swamps, but only after you have

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Speaker 6: security guarantees to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: It's important to see how serious Putin is, and the

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Speaker 2: only one who can do that is President Trump's for.

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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump saying he wants to make Washington, DC

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Speaker 3: safer and more beautiful.

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Speaker 5: I'm officially invoking section seven four of the District of

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Speaker 5: Columbia Home Rule Act.

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Speaker 2: You know what that is? Washington DC? Very dangerous there that.

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Speaker 4: I actually was jumped walking just two blocks down from here.

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Speaker 3: If people are afraid to come to DC, go to

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Speaker 3: Disney World, get fat, eat frenchise.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I've lived here thirty.

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Speaker 4: Seven years, and it turns out throwing a sandwich is

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Speaker 4: no small offense. He's now charged with a felony and

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Speaker 4: he's fired from the Department of Justice. So there six,

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Speaker 4: you're subway sandwich somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, you have poked the bear and we were

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Speaker 2: punched back. Right in front of the home of the

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of people block an interception as drivers perform dangerous don't.

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Speaker 5: If you're a driver and you want to see that

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Speaker 5: car literally crushed as we impound it, go ahead and

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Speaker 2: Newly released drone video shows Palestinian militants pretending to be

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Speaker 2: workers from the world's central kitchen.

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Speaker 1: We're wiping your heinee with lies.

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Speaker 6: So now we're here, maybe to give you the platform

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Speaker 6: to apologize to the first lady when.

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Speaker 2: Targi said that he was smoking seven gramd rocks, he

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Speaker 2: was smoking seven gramd rocks. Genn Eggs, this is my

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Speaker 2: brand new album, The Life of a show Girl. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm Clips of the Week.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the actual video of the person throwing

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Speaker 3: the sandwich at the ice officer?

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Speaker 2: I have, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That It's more violent than you picture it, or at

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Speaker 3: least than I was picturing it. That person was unhinged.

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Speaker 1: Now you got federal charges and no sandwich. Dumb dumb right,

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Speaker 1: look at that lose lose right, idiot, Yeah right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a big sandwich. And he hurled it as

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Speaker 1: hard as he could at the guy's chest. I suspect

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Speaker 1: he still went the federal officers still went home to

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Speaker 1: his family that night.

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Speaker 2: It was an assault. He turned run and ran like

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Speaker 2: a well a bad word. I can't say.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well he did, but they caught him and threw

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Speaker 1: again sandwichless.

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Speaker 3: Trump just said something else on the plane flying to Anchorage.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we can get that for you in a second.

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Speaker 1: Bear's going to interview him. I think during the flight

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Speaker 1: this is a clip from Brett Bears.

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Speaker 3: We might have that coming up next. Trump said it

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Speaker 3: the Brett Bear thing. This is just New York Times

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Speaker 3: So that'll be a tell right off the bat or.

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Speaker 3: Trump said, if there's a real progress, he might stay

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Speaker 3: in Alaska and Aska Zelenski to fly in from Ukraine

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Speaker 3: and he said that'd be the easiest way. I'd be

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Speaker 3: a heck of a thing. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: go on Expedia and like book.

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Speaker 2: Rooms real fast, same day rooms. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As interested as I am in Trump's strategy slash reactions

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Speaker 1: to Putin, I'm even more interest fascinated by by Putin's strategy.

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Speaker 2: He is just going to sit there like the alligator.

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Speaker 1: He is listen to Trump, read Trump, and decide which

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Speaker 3: I forgot to bring this up because I've only heard

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Speaker 3: it from my favorite see if I can dig this

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Speaker 3: that's all about Ukraine from the London Telegraph, and one

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Speaker 3: He's hilarious. I should know his name because I listened

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Speaker 3: to him every day and he's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: He was there.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't find a hotel on short notice because it

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Speaker 3: a hotel and somebody said, we have one forty kilometers away,

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Speaker 3: and he said, I don't consider that an Anchorage hotel,

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Speaker 3: so I'm not going to take that. But he rented

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Speaker 3: a mini Winnie Winnebago, and he and this other guy

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Speaker 2: As listened to him on the phone.

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Speaker 3: He was complaining about how the other guy was taking

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Speaker 1: So alarming new study find smartphones are ruining our brains

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Speaker 2: We all feel it.

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Speaker 1: And the cost is attention, not just I get distracted

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Speaker 1: sometimes attention, but the deep sustained focus that conscientious conscientiousness requires,

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Speaker 1: the skill of delaying gratification, resisting impulse, and staying the

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Speaker 1: course is being replaced by an addiction to novelty, validation,

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Speaker 1: and stimulation.

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Speaker 2: The more we.

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Speaker 1: Indulge, the less we can resist indulging. And the chart's

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Speaker 1: free falling red line for young adults shows exactly where

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Speaker 1: that road leads.

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Speaker 2: The speed of the shift should terrify us.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the winter of my life. I will be

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Speaker 3: gone soon, So what difference does it make for me?

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Speaker 3: But I worry about this a lot with my kids.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, and I is.

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Speaker 2: There any realistic hope of keeping it from happening?

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Speaker 1: To that point, anyone who claims there's a quick fix

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Speaker 1: is selling snake oil, app timer's, grayscale screens, digital detoxes.

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Speaker 1: These are band aids on a bullet wound. The deeper

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Speaker 1: realities that smartphones is a portal to the digital metisphere

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Speaker 1: have rewired how an entire generation things feels and relates

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Speaker 1: to the world. There's no undo button, but there is

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Speaker 1: one place to start recognition. We must acknowledge that we've

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Speaker 1: engineered an attention economy whose most precious raw material is

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Speaker 1: human focus, and we are burning through it like cheap fuel.

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Speaker 1: Until we admit that there's no hope of slowing the decline,

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Speaker 1: much less reversing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not optimistic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm not either on a global or

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Speaker 1: societal scale. I am on an individual and a family scale.

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Speaker 1: Understanding what you are doing is a precursor to doing

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Speaker 1: better things. Understanding what you're doing to yourself the problem.

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Speaker 3: I was comparing it to smoking earlier, and well, someday,

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Speaker 3: you know, we'll look at staring at your phone like

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Speaker 3: we look at smoking today. The problem is smoking head

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Speaker 3: Eventually we figured out unbelievable downsides. It kills you with

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Speaker 3: a zero upside, I mean slight temporary boost from nicodine,

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Speaker 3: and if you don't smoke, you don't need it.

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Speaker 2: So there's this is different. I mean, it's comforting in

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Speaker 2: a way.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a you know, the blanket of habit.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that there's no upside, but I see

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Speaker 1: your point.

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Speaker 3: But there's so much immediate upside from staring at your phone,

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Speaker 3: and the people that know the difference are going to

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Speaker 3: be dead soon. I mean, everybody else that grew up

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Speaker 3: with that, their whole lives are gonna be like, what.

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about? This is the only thing I've

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Speaker 2: ever done.

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Speaker 3: I don't I can't conceive of I've never felt a

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Speaker 3: different life.

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Speaker 2: So shut up.

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Speaker 1: Well, and back to the point that the author was

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Speaker 1: making the one place to start recognition, which means receiving

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Speaker 1: the information.

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Speaker 2: Whoops.

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Speaker 1: The people distributing the information are those that profit the

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Speaker 1: most greedily from doing this to the brains of the young,

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Speaker 1: and they ain't talking.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I understand you're a recognition on an individual

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Speaker 3: or family level. But man, there's a tiny little window

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Speaker 3: here for arresting this by those of us who didn't

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Speaker 3: grow up with this technology. And when we're gone, there'll

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Speaker 3: be nobody worried about this. I don't think if you've

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Speaker 3: always been miserable, you don't know how miserable you are,

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Speaker 3: or I don't know, they wouldn't call themselves miserable. They

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Speaker 3: call themselves. I know my kids call themselves perfectly happy.

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Speaker 3: They're miserable when I make them stop looking at their

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Speaker 3: phone while we're on our road trip.

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Speaker 2: You've made my point. Yeah, Oh god, dang it, that

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Speaker 2: is rough. Okay, here you go.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we'll consider the twenty ten's the way we look

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Speaker 1: at the dawn of the industrial are a technological leap

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Speaker 1: that unleashed prosperity, yes, but also pollution and collapse of

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Speaker 1: the old ways of life. Only this time the pollution

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Speaker 1: is in our minds. And while conservation movements helped to

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Speaker 1: toxify our rivers lakes notions, I suspect we'll soon need

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Speaker 1: to consider a similar prescription for our collective mind rot.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it already exists. Let me check TikTok or chat

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Speaker 1: GPT for what it has to say.

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Speaker 3: This is going to get fixed by the fact that

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Speaker 3: we're not going to have kids and human beings are

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Speaker 3: going to disappear. Right bebeavers have no interest in social media.

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Speaker 3: I honestly, one hundred percent believe that's likely. The most

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Speaker 3: likely scenario is we just populations dwindled down to so little,

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Speaker 3: because that's where we're screaming toward. And I can't imagine

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Speaker 3: anything changing as we head further into what you just described.

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Speaker 3: The you know, it's more fun to stay at home

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Speaker 3: than go out and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Here's a question for you, and I think I know

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Speaker 1: the answer, But you know how you're young, hungry, brutal

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Speaker 1: civilizations which are still having plenty of kids and are

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Speaker 1: not soft and decadent in the rest like the developed West.

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Speaker 1: They're willing to kill their way to resources and predominance

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Speaker 1: and the rest of it. But then I realized, well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, as soon as those countries get at

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Speaker 1: all prosperous, everybody gets fat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they're gonna get and they're gonna get smartphones.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna get smartphones and Wi Fi.

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Speaker 3: We should be dropping smartphones on some of these beleaguered

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Speaker 3: countries that we consider our enemies. That'd be the best

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Speaker 3: way to take on Al Qaeda. Drop smartphones on them

544
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Speaker 3: and put up a startlink so they have Wi Fi.

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Speaker 3: They quit caring about jihad by six months from now.

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Speaker 3: You're not wrong, I know.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: We got to get to Trump on the plane on

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Speaker 3: the way to Alaska. He just said something interesting. Stay tuned. Okay,

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Speaker 3: in the office with President Trump on Air Force one,

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Speaker 3: heading in, what's your initial feeling.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling about what you're going to get

553
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Speaker 2: out of this? I think we're going to do very well.

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Speaker 2: Our country is doing very well.

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Speaker 5: We're setting records economically like we never have before, exluding

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Speaker 5: the sock markets are all at a record high. We're

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Speaker 5: taking entridians and tridions of dollars with tariffs. We're going

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Speaker 5: for a meeting with President Booton in Alaska, and I think.

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Speaker 2: It's going to work out very well.

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Speaker 5: And if it doesn't, I'm going to head back home

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Speaker 5: real fast.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if it doesn't, you walk I would walk

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Speaker 3: down bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Okay, We'll see well.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if saying that out loud is going

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Speaker 3: to make Putin be more measured and what I have

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Speaker 3: no idea, kind of wanted to get this on.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard it. I hope the juice is worth

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Speaker 2: the squeeze.

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Speaker 3: On this clip, it's Hillary Clinton talking about how she

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Speaker 3: might recommend Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 4: I understand from everything I've read he very much would

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Speaker 4: like to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. And honestly, if

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Speaker 4: he could bring about the to this terrible war where

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Speaker 4: Putin is the aggressor invading a neighbor country trying to

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Speaker 4: change the borders, if he could end it without putting

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Speaker 4: Ukraine in a position where it had to concede its

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Speaker 4: territory to the aggressor, had to in a way validate

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Speaker 4: Putin's vision of greater Russia. But instead could really stand

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Speaker 4: up to Putin something we haven't seen. But maybe this

581
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Speaker 4: is the opportunity to make it clear that there must

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Speaker 4: be a cease fire, there will be no exchange of territory,

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Speaker 4: and that over a period of time Putin should be

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Speaker 4: actually withdrawing from the territory he seized in order to

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Speaker 4: demonstrate his good faith efforts. Let us say not to

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Speaker 4: threaten European security. You know, look, if we could pull

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Speaker 4: that off, if President Trump were the architect of that,

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Speaker 4: I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty interesting. That's not an impossible scenario. For one thing,

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Speaker 3: her talking in that you know way about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: You know she used to go wrong claiming that Russia

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Speaker 3: stole the election for Trump and he wasn't a legitimate president.

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Speaker 2: I saw, yeah, that's interesting. Her campaign started it so

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Speaker 2: she would know. Yeah, it is sure.

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Speaker 3: And I heard one of my favorite punt saying yesterday

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Speaker 3: on this whole Nobel Peace Prize thing. The euro weenies

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Speaker 3: who would have never, ever, in a million years, you know,

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Speaker 3: first term, had him win the prize have now figured

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Speaker 3: out that praising him and given him awards is the

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Speaker 3: best way to get him to do things you want.

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Speaker 3: So they might give him the Nobel Peace Prize just

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Speaker 3: as a be nicer to us.

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Speaker 1: Gesture right right the hill. The beast is smart and tough.

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Speaker 1: I've always said that she's seventy seven years old. How

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Speaker 1: much sharper than Biden?

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Speaker 2: Does she sounds? My god, Hey kids, it's time again

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Speaker 2: with Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: She's been around my entire adult life She's still five

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Speaker 3: years younger than Joe Biden. Here's your host for final thoughts,

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Speaker 3: Joe Geddy.

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Speaker 1: Why not get a final thought from everybody on the

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Speaker 1: crew to wrap up this show, Let's begin with Michaelangelow

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Speaker 1: or technical director.

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Speaker 2: Michael final thought? All right, here's my biggest worry.

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Speaker 1: Putin turns out to be a look alike and that

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Speaker 1: this is a prank and Trump ends up on a

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Speaker 1: comedy show on Russian tvoy.

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Speaker 2: Putting's back in Moscow watching it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, punked Putin stuff. Katie Green are esteemed Newswoman. As

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Speaker 1: a final thought, Katie, I just want to take this

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Speaker 1: opportunity to congratulate Michael Angelo for totally redeeming himself this

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Speaker 1: morning with cal Yep.

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Speaker 3: That was good stuff. If you didn't hear it the

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Speaker 3: halfway into the first hour. I always betrayed by those I

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Speaker 3: trust the most. It'll bring you joy. Jack, you have

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Speaker 3: a final thought for us? Yeah, this is kind of

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Speaker 3: like my Super Bowl. I just I really like gu politics,

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be paying attention to this news story

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Speaker 3: all day long for every bit of information I can get.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to pay attention. But the worst has

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Speaker 1: happened I feared this moment. The man cave has fallen

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Speaker 1: prey to the construction on my house. They have now

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Speaker 1: taped shut the gentleman's lounge where.

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Speaker 2: I have my couch and my TV and my whiskey.

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's taped up like a crime scene.

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Speaker 3: I'm strung in it there, arms strung in Getty wrapping

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Speaker 3: go another grueling four hour workday.

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Speaker 2: Dare it?

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Speaker 1: That's where I watch golf. So many people, thanks so

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Speaker 1: little time. Good Armstrong a geeddy dot com got some

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Speaker 1: great clicks there for you. Drop us a note if

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Speaker 1: you see something we ought to be talking about mail

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Speaker 1: Bag and Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: In geeddy dot com.

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Speaker 3: We'll see a Monday God bless America when another stunning lee.

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Speaker 6: Oh they Armstrong Eddy show me when Jack shoo Hi

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Speaker 6: and my Glendaye Helo.

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Speaker 5: I brought you every single major story that we're kind.

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Speaker 3: Of weak, but certainly they'll try to do much better

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Speaker 3: if they're allowed.

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Speaker 2: To come back next week.

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Speaker 6: They are wrong, Getty show the Constant South, They show

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Speaker 6: I'm wrong, Getty show on the

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Speaker 2: Russian Armstrong and Getty