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Speaker 1: We have Prime Minister notting Yahoo on the phone with

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Speaker 1: us from his Knesset office in Jerusalem. Only have ten minutes,

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Speaker 1: so I want to get right to it first. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the program and great to talk to you again, sir. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's very good to talk to you Rush. All right.

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Speaker 1: Some observers in the United States are sensing a new

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Speaker 1: Israel here, less willing to commit to total victory as

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Speaker 1: as in the past, on the basis of the way

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Speaker 1: current conflict with the Hesbaala groups being way. Is that true?

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Speaker 1: I hope not. I've given my support his opposition leader

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Speaker 1: to the government. People of Israel overwhelmingly have given the

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Speaker 1: support for victory, that is, to remove the threat, much

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Speaker 1: as the US during the Cuban missile process said those

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Speaker 1: missiles have to go. We stay Isabella and those missiles

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Speaker 1: have to go because otherwise there'll be no no peace

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Speaker 1: for leban or no peace for Israel, no peace running.

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Speaker 1: Now we're hearing, UM, I'm hearing some some discontent in

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Speaker 1: this country that there's some concern that the current Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister isn't willing to unleash a full complement of Israeli

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Speaker 1: ground forces. Um. If that's true, what's the reason. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. We're in the middle of the war and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to start second testing. I think the

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Speaker 1: important thing is to six year I and the goal,

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Speaker 1: the goal led by the government is to remove eliminate

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Speaker 1: the missile thread and eliminate and breakfast Bala's fighting ability

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Speaker 1: and whatever means required, and then those means should be

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Speaker 1: used planned air, see you name it. I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's important to understand Rush that we're not just dealing

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Speaker 1: with his Bala Islamic militant thread. We're dealing with an

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Speaker 1: Iranian UH back the salt in a western country, and

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Speaker 1: we're just the first target. And they openly say that

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Speaker 1: we're the first target. We're the small state. You are

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Speaker 1: the big states Europe, though it doesn't understand it's a

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Speaker 1: middle side state, so he doesn't really started up with us.

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Speaker 1: When a two million of our people are hunker down

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Speaker 1: are murdered, and when we respond against these terrorists or

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Speaker 1: actually in doing so attack themselves. I don't think I

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Speaker 1: don't think that the US has any such misunderstanding, any

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Speaker 1: such lack of clarity. I hope that Disraeli government doesn't

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Speaker 1: have lack of clarity. We need clarity in our target,

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Speaker 1: and the target is to remove our common enemy committed

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Speaker 1: to our destruction, uh and something that we have to

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Speaker 1: remove as a clear and present threat to our future,

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Speaker 1: to our security. I couldn't agree with you more. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to foment discord between you and

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister either. It's just that so many of

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Speaker 1: us who support you remember past Israeli involvement six Day

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Speaker 1: War on Kipper War um, and it just looks different

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Speaker 1: this time, and so we ask questions why, because like you,

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Speaker 1: we all know that the focus of this is sere

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Speaker 1: you in Iran. We don't hear our government talking to

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Speaker 1: us like that. We don't hear our government telling us

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Speaker 1: that uh in this country. Do you ever sit there

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Speaker 1: tough questions for you because you're you're leader Likud party

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Speaker 1: and you are very united today in this latest battle

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Speaker 1: with with with hes Mala. Do you ever wonder your

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Speaker 1: to yourself why the US doesn't act now to take

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Speaker 1: out the regime in Iran. The entire world knows who

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Speaker 1: is behind this. They've been helping Al Qaida attacking troops

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Speaker 1: in Iraq. They're not far from getting nuclear weapons. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think this is the greatest question of our time.

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Speaker 1: It is not only of monumental importance to Israel, because Iran,

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Speaker 1: while denying that the Holocaust took place, is openly declaring

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Speaker 1: Iran also intends to become UH nuclear power and empire.

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Speaker 1: The long range missiles that now reach every capital in

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Speaker 1: And they have a crazy particular shi i Uh steps

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Speaker 1: of a grand apocalypse that is supposed to right about now,

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Speaker 1: which millions will die on all sides, on both side,

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Speaker 1: and this brand of Sheism will will rule the world. Now,

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Speaker 1: you may ask, how is it possible religious wars died

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Speaker 1: that you're raising. Our President Brush has said, and he's

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Speaker 1: That is very important. How he plans to do it,

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Speaker 1: that is to disarm and destroyer spissile arsenal to be done.

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Speaker 1: Is anybody stopping you from doing that? Anybody putting the

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Speaker 1: I have to day. I don't think that. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've had all wars have limited time. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you need. So obviously we don't have unlimited time, and

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Speaker 1: therefore we should use more power, a lot more power. Crush.

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Speaker 1: That's what's required. And I think if Israel shows this dissolve,

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Speaker 1: as Israeli government shows this dissolved, then America, first of all,

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Speaker 1: they are Let me try this quite a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a lengthy question, and I know the phone connection

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Speaker 1: you this because it's it's a it's a topic that's

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Speaker 1: really royaling much of the American population, and that is

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Speaker 1: that the war has two aspects, the PR spin war

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Speaker 1: and the reality and the and the media. Mr Prime

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Speaker 1: reality in this current conflict. Uh, you can, you can

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Speaker 1: a military victory, you must have a political victory. To

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Speaker 1: the cause of your enemy is unjust. There's never been

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Speaker 1: a more just war than this one. That's obvious. We

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Speaker 1: were walking upon. So this is a just war. Now,

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Speaker 1: can Americans understand that? I happen to think that Americans

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Speaker 1: understand that very well and overwhelmingly. So. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: But Western Europe shows signs of abilitation, signs not understanding

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Speaker 1: both your house. But what America knows. Europe doesn't know.

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Speaker 1: number one target. But we're only their first target. And

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Speaker 1: they save those they want eventually to get you. And

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Speaker 1: hiding among civilians. These are by the way to war climbs.

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Speaker 1: According to the Geneva Convention, not only can you not

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Speaker 1: You have here this criminal organization supported by criminal regimes,

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Speaker 1: destroying the West. Let's not be food. Let's gear ourselves

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Speaker 1: the destruction of Israel. Has anybody, any country, anybody from

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Speaker 1: how this this ceasefire, a sustainable, meaningful ceasefire with a

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Speaker 1: I don't think the ceasefire by itself will work. I

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Speaker 1: greater bites. I think that the important thing is what

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Speaker 1: what are the condition that leads to a ceasefire? And

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that the most important thing is

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Speaker 1: to do Dismalla's fighting ability and destroy that missile Arsenal.

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Speaker 1: That's when you should have a ceasefire. They can't fire anymore. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So what you're describing here is a ceasefire the results

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Speaker 1: from your victory. Yes, exactly, makes perfect sense to everybody. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you made time for us today, Mr Prime Minister.

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Speaker 1: I know it's hectic for you right now. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time very much and the best to you always.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to us, all right for you, bet

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